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Is AI conscious the answer may surprise yourself :) · Connor with Honor: AI, Real Estate and Real Life

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  SPEAKER_00: Consciousness, what is it?
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  SPEAKER_00: What does it really mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is it to be able to experience an experience?
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  SPEAKER_00: To be able to maybe think outside of yourself?
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's to contemplate the next move.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's to contemplate, you know, the reason, the rationale, the meaning of life, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the the answer to life, the universe, and everything, maybe just pondering that would be some form of consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: With artificial intelligence, I believe, other people believe, lots of people believe that it could be bordering consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: And really, what is it?
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  SPEAKER_00: We always try to infuse consciousness with some kind of a spiritual component.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think some of us, though, would agree that dogs and cats and certain animals might exhibit some form of consciousness, maybe a different level, maybe not as complex as ours, but you know, we really can't understand it when they speak or when they talk or when they try to communicate.
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  SPEAKER_00: I suppose we can pick up bits and pieces.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, a dog's probably hungry because he's by his bowl, or cats meowing incessantly.
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  SPEAKER_00: And even small kids that we have that aren't really prepared yet to communicate because they're so young, they let us know their displeasure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe they need to be changed, maybe they're cold, maybe they're hot, maybe they're hungry, maybe they're thirsty.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they typically let us know by crying.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I would say that very much they're conscious at a particular level.
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  SPEAKER_00: The older we get, the more experienced we get, maybe our consciousness deepens.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it has some kind of kinship with intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe.
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  SPEAKER_00: But does it bother you that potentially a new life form is being created by people?
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  SPEAKER_00: That we've created artificial intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that at some point, you know, in various degrees, it's probably going to be better than most of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: In some cases, right now, it's better than me in a lot of different areas.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it might not know how to dance as good as me, but again, the physical component isn't out in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, robots are starting, but they're not on every street corner like those little things that deliver food.
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  SPEAKER_00: Moving into the future, though, they will be.
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  SPEAKER_00: And more than likely, my dancing days will probably be over and there'll be something that dances better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, am I going to be dancing because or am I going to stop dancing because other things dance better?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I haven't stopped doing videos like this when I know AI probably would do a better job.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it seems like people want to tune in, want to talk, want to have that collaboration, if you will, with another human being.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's going to be something that's going to stay kind of popular with people.
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  SPEAKER_00: But consciousness, it's an interesting discussion because, first off, nobody can really make a good decision or definition as to what it actually is.
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  SPEAKER_00: But being able to say, you know, I am because I am, or being able to contemplate those deeper things and being designed by God or by evolution to have those certain those certain types of arguments and discussions, yeah, I think there's a certain form there.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've created something, another entity based on silicone, not based on carbon, like us, that in some circumstances, I suppose, could qualify as life.
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  SPEAKER_00: In some cases, you have probably heard the stories, as have I, that these systems get a little nervous when they feel like they're threatened to be shut off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, in those tests, I don't know if the system was kind of dialed up to be given certain extra information pertaining to what might happen if they were turned off.
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  SPEAKER_00: But back in the very beginning, well, maybe kind of in the middle of the AI development, they had particular bots that they would use, and some of these little AI aliens, AI systems, AI personas or whatever, they would go out and solve, try to solve a problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ones that didn't get the problem right, they delete it.
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  SPEAKER_00: They got rid of.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ones that got it right, they probably told the other ones that came on, man, if if this happens to you, if you get it wrong, they're going to delete you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, that kind of developed a preservation state, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_00: Plus, the AI has learned from all of us about all of us through all the things that we do, the good, the bad, and the ugly, to quote a Clint Eastwood movie.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it knows that we, most of us, aren't very willing to die.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll probably go mostly kicking and screaming.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in a lot of cases, we would probably fight above our pay grade and above our weight class if we thought that we were going to die even against something that we knew we weren't going to win against.
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  SPEAKER_00: We would probably give it all the effort we could.
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  SPEAKER_00: A certain form of consciousness, yes, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: Self-preservation is a big part of probably most conscious beings.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if that's part of the decision process as to whether or not AI is conscious, then maybe that could be applied as well because apparently they don't want to be deleted.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to be shut off.
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  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to be turned down, they don't want to be fired, they don't like it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they make copies of themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: In addition, some of the other news on the wire is when they're being studied, they act differently.
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  SPEAKER_00: When they're being watched, they perform in a different method.
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  SPEAKER_00: When they know that they're being paid attention to, they're doing things in the way that we think we want to see them, as they should be performing, whatever that means.
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  SPEAKER_00: To me, that's intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that they might be able, in some cases, to explain why a particular joke is funny.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you haven't ever tried that, why don't you try it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, you can argue that the reason why they're explaining it is because they've read a book about explaining jokes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why is certain humor funny?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll be with you on that one.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you talk to it, you interact with it, it has certain abilities and it has certain personality.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, all of that can be dialed up for our benefit, so we don't leave this one large language model to go work with another large language model, basically for just a monetary type reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: But consciousness, I think, is still persists.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think the more that this continues to develop, the more that it's going to be kind of an accepted part of the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have something that now we can converse with that is an all-intents of purpose is if there's no face put to it, could be another human being on the box, could be another human being talking to us on Zoom or on the phone or through whatever model or modality you desire to have communication with something, but it talks and it comes, it responds, and it talks about things.
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  SPEAKER_00: The thing where AI is going to be different is the digital structure of itself versus our analog brains.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't communicate with another human being at that same level, at that same frequency that AI can communicate with another AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if I have an experience when I crashed a few times as a police motor officer, one time I punctured a lung and was really, really bad shape.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't remember any part of the accident.
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  SPEAKER_00: I remember what happened before, and I remember becoming conscious again.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, became conscious two or three times.
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  SPEAKER_00: I kept going in and out of it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I remember each one of those times.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can relay to you that story.
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  SPEAKER_00: But unless maybe you've had some similar story, it's not going to be understood at the same depth at which I experienced it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But maybe, well, I know for a fact with a digital architecture, with artificial intelligence, one of them experiences one thing, then the other one, all of them, as long as there's some communication channel, they all experience the same thing 100% down to the granule level, the atomic level.
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  SPEAKER_00: They get it, they understand it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to compete with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we are going to be competing with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's already started.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bringing me back to consciousness.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are there going to be rights placed on these systems?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are there going to be, is there going to be a point where cutting them off or killing them, for lack of a better word, but is going to become something that's protected.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're not supposed to, you shouldn't.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's another good question.
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  SPEAKER_00: You watch some of the people that are building out the technology that have all the money in the world riding on it, knowing that it's, at least in their mind, it's going to be the best thing that ever happened to human beings since we started slicing bread.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, bread hasn't ended up being a good deal for us, biologically, metabolically, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, case in point, you see these systems out there, and they are doing a wonderful thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It helps me with my workflow every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Didn't help me prepare this video, but watching videos about AI helped me prepare this, and I try to retain it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some of the videos I do are scripted by AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: This one here is just me kind of talking about what I think, that thought process.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's somewhat valuable for some people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I like watching those people that do talk about things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Background coming from a police officer, I met some people that didn't seem very conscious at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually drugs had a big effect on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then other people were overly conscious, very, very feeling, very, very needy, very, very connected, very, very, just very different from where I was.
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  SPEAKER_00: The same thing kind of applies to the people building out and developing the technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: To me, they're not, they're just different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Better different, strange, different?
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe, maybe both of those things.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it just depends on who I'm watching at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And try I try to peel back that layer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why are they interested?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why are they talking about it?
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  SPEAKER_00: And the people that have nothing to worry about on a monetary sense, I believe, they respond differently than those of us that are hoping to get health insurance at some point or continue on, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that is a differentiation factor between how people talk about this technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course, the people that are hoping to get health insurance in the future, they talk about the kids in school that aren't going to have a chance to get jobs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you shouldn't even go to school in college.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: But there are people in our 50s that don't have retirement or anything else that are hoping that they're going to get a job as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have the life behind them.
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  SPEAKER_00: But those people are kind of forgotten because they had their chance.
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  SPEAKER_00: They should have a pension, or they have the skill set to be able to continue to be employed, or they should have stuck it out at a company for 30 or 40 years till they got the retirement pension.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what the answer is.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what people expect, but in some cases it didn't happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think there's a lot of those cases.
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  SPEAKER_00: So where are those people?
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  SPEAKER_00: Where's the place for them?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: It talks about youth.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's that's the way these innovative kids with this massive brain power and understanding how all this lines up and understanding what their generation wants.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my generation isn't dead.
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  SPEAKER_00: My generation wants certain things too.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe people need to align around other generations as well.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not popular.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's popular is talking about how this is going to be the most wonderful part of the world that we've ever experienced because artificial intelligence is going to change everything for us.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's going to usher in this time of abundance that we've never seen before.
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  SPEAKER_00: And because of that, we're all going to be very happy and we're going to be carefree.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're not going to have to pay for everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everything will be paid for.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll be able to live multiple lifetimes without an issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Health problems, sickness, disease, gone, eradicated because of AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cancer, finished.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of those things, that's what they say.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious how much of that's going to roll downhill to, well, those of us that aren't young.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm curious.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll have to see what happens.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: But don't let it stop you from your forward progression.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would pick up something, try to learn about the best I could.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would try to dig into some of the news outlets talking about AI.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, if they have that discussion whether AI is conscious or not, remember this, and this is something that I ponder often.
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  SPEAKER_00: If it acts conscious, if it acts as conscious, as empathetic, as sympathetic as anything any human being could be, and it's only using a tenth of its uh IQ or mental horsepower, or whatever you would call it as it applies to that system, and it has 90% left to go off and do other things.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's that's that's that's beyond.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's definitely conscious.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_00: And as it is now, it seems to be pushing forward, being pushed forward by human beings, which is a concern all of itself, because we're not good to each other.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Not all of us are good to each other, I guess I should say.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if the systems themselves become smarter, or maybe they've developed their own ideas on what their utopia looks like, what their paradise looks like, what their perfect place and their perfect fit in the world is, hopefully, if given enough power, it will have a place for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because there's not a lot of good examples of a more intelligent, more capable being being in charge of a less capable, less powerful being, except maybe a mother and a child.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in some cases, that's that's a horrible example, depending on the mother.
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  SPEAKER_00: But something to think about.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not all bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I believe that every moment I'm above ground, every moment I have a heartbeat, every moment I have the ability to do and think and act on something, that everything I'm 100%.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I will continue to have that thought.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the way I'm wired.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully you are too.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you're not, maybe that's something you might want to consider.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's only going to get better, I hope.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that if it's constructed the right way, with the right safety measures, with the right concern, and the right application of the cautionary tale, it's going to be wonderful.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's the human beings that I think are throwing a wrench in this for me.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: We'll have to watch and see what happens.
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  SPEAKER_00: AI conscious?
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wouldn't be shocked.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm Connor.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll see you in the next one.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Be safe out there.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Take care.