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Hour 2 - LeBron James Disses the Anthem · The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: Second hour, Clay and Buck kicks off right now. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being here with us, everybody. We are just
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Speaker 1: in the midst of this election showdown. Things are happening here.
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Speaker 1: I was just talking to my wife. She's agreed we
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Speaker 1: will go vote early. She says she does find Clay's incessant.
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Speaker 1: mocking and trolling of me amusing on this issue.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's important to be a better American, and right
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Speaker 2: now I'm clearly the better American than you because I voted.
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Speaker 2: So I appreciate that everyone in America, millions of people
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Speaker 2: listening right now, if they were thinking who's the better American,
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Speaker 2: Clay or Buck, they have to answer me because I voted.
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Speaker 1: So we're going to have to address this, obviously, so
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Speaker 1: that I don't have to hear this every day. So
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go vote early soon. and I recommend
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Speaker 1: you all do the same when you can, where you can.
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Speaker 1: That would be the way to go. But I want
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Speaker 1: to take a little diversion here for a second. Clay,
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Speaker 1: let's enter the world of sport, something you are familiar with.
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Speaker 1: We could have a sports ball conversation even for a
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Speaker 1: moment here. I did play some paddle yesterday. It was
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Speaker 1: doing quite well. Some people are saying he's got a
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Speaker 1: nasty overhead, this guy. Nasty overhead on the paddleboard. It's
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Speaker 1: a bit expansive to consider that to be a sport.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 1: There are many people, mostly in Latin American countries right now,
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Speaker 1: who are very upset at you, I will say. Argentina
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Speaker 1: just turned off the radio. Argentina and our Madrid audience
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Speaker 1: just dwindled substantially with that comment. But I'll tell you this.
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Speaker 1: LeBron James just got the attention of the presidents of
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Speaker 1: the United States. So I feel like, why not? explain
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Speaker 1: and talk about this for a moment, what's going on here. And, Clay,
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Speaker 1: you're going to have to do a little bit of
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Speaker 1: Freudian analysis of Mr. LeBron for me once we get
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Speaker 1: through the latest news here. First off, I did see
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Speaker 1: a video of him, I believe it was not an
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Speaker 1: old video, where he was very aggressively yelling at some
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Speaker 1: guy in the crowd who had said something, like said
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Speaker 1: that he fouled someone or something like that, which I
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Speaker 1: get it. Athletes are hyped up in the moment. I understand,
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Speaker 1: you know. I've seen people at country clubs playing for
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Speaker 1: nothing other than bragging rights smash rackets and curse and
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Speaker 1: completely lose it. So, you know, people are people. Professional
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Speaker 1: athletes are not perfect. I get that. But that's in
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Speaker 1: the heat of battle. Before a game, when the national
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Speaker 1: anthem is playing, we all know what's going on. We
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Speaker 1: all understand what is symbolized here and what the respect
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Speaker 1: is that is being shown, why we are showing that respect.
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Speaker 1: And LeBron James, well, this is what Trump wrote, Clay.
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Speaker 1: While listening to our national anthem, LeBron James disrespects our country.
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Speaker 1: I said it right from the beginning. He's no good,
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Speaker 1: a total disgrace. LeBron James should apologize to all those
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Speaker 1: great American warriors and heroes who died for the American
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Speaker 1: flag and all that our country stands for. This is
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Speaker 1: from Donald J. Trump. And, Clay, he was practicing a
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Speaker 1: golf swing? During the national anthem? I mean, I get it.
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Speaker 1: I don't like when people police, you know, you were
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Speaker 1: standing still at attention, but you should have your hand
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Speaker 1: on your heart, or you should be saluting. Okay, if
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Speaker 1: someone's being respectful and standing quietly, they're being respectful and saying,
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Speaker 1: golf swing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the video is out there. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: we have it up on the YouTube page. I shared
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Speaker 2: it a little bit earlier today, and it wouldn't shock
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Speaker 2: me if that's where the president ended up seeing it
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Speaker 2: because it went a little bit viral earlier this morning
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Speaker 2: and after last night. So for those of you who
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Speaker 2: do not know, and by the way, the WNBA is
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Speaker 2: having their own issue with this. So LeBron James has
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Speaker 2: made over a billion dollars. That is billion with a B,
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Speaker 2: playing basketball in the United States. That is, I would think,
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Speaker 2: a reason to be very appreciative that you are fortunate
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Speaker 2: enough to live in a country where because you happen
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Speaker 2: to be good at putting a ball in a hoop,
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Speaker 2: you can become a legitimate billionaire. LeBron, I think clearly
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Speaker 2: the NBA season just started, is trying to send a
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Speaker 2: message by practicing his golf swing during the National Anthem.
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Speaker 2: Every other member of the Philadelphia 76ers, I'm surprised LeBron
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Speaker 2: went to a team named after LeBron, The the founding
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Speaker 2: of our country here. But every other player is standing
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Speaker 2: as they are required to do under their NBA contracted
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Speaker 2: rules for the national anthem. As you would expect, people
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Speaker 2: might be standing for the national anthem. There is a
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Speaker 2: I don't know who the singer was, but there is
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Speaker 2: a performer, as often happens at a sporting event. who
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Speaker 2: is out on the court singing the national anthem. This
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Speaker 2: is the, I believe, home opener. You guys can correct
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Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong. I do not pay a lot
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Speaker 2: of attention to the NBA regular season. I believe this
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Speaker 2: was the home opener in Philadelphia. I know they played
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Speaker 2: in Madison Square Garden against the Knicks on Tuesday night
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Speaker 2: because I was up in New York and the Knicks
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Speaker 2: were hanging their banner and everything else. So I believe,
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Speaker 2: you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, that they
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Speaker 2: were back in Philadelphia. LeBron now is playing in Philadelphia. Flying,
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Speaker 2: by the way, Buck, which as a New Yorker I
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Speaker 2: think you will appreciate, flying on a helicopter back and
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Speaker 2: forth to commute so he doesn't have to live in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: This is the rough stuff to Philadelphia.
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Speaker 2: The Philly-New York rivalry is real. To be unwilling to
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Speaker 2: find a place to stay in Philadelphia such that you
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Speaker 2: are flying in a helicopter back and forth to New
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Speaker 2: York City while you are playing for a Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: Area team is just... It's a sign.
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Speaker 2: Of incredible privilege, right, to be able to fly on
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Speaker 2: a helicopter from one city to another multiple times a day,
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Speaker 2: in theory, so that you can choose to live in
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Speaker 2: your preferred city. But to be unwilling to just stand
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Speaker 2: for the national anthem, I think LeBron knew exactly what
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Speaker 2: he was doing. And to your point, Buck. There's no
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Speaker 2: reason he needs to have a good golf swing for
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Speaker 2: his basketball performance. He evidently has gotten into golf. He
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Speaker 2: has a golf YouTube channel now where he goes and
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Speaker 2: plays a lot of different golf rounds. He's getting close
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Speaker 2: to retirement age. This also, Buck, is happening in the WNBA.
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Speaker 2: The WNBA is even worse. They are refusing to come
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Speaker 2: out on the court for the national anthem in the
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Speaker 2: WNBA Finals. even though they're contractually required to be there
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Speaker 2: as well. So all of this is, I think, indicative
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Speaker 2: of the sports world universe that hates Republicans and hates
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Speaker 2: President Trump and has convinced themselves that this is the
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Speaker 2: worst country that's ever existed and Remember, you've got WNBA
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Speaker 2: players coming out and saying that the country is trash.
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Speaker 2: We talked with Enos Cantor, Freedom, about this. By the way,
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Speaker 2: he was not allowed, I think, to attend a game
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Speaker 2: again as he has tried to declare to be eligible
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Speaker 2: for the WNBA. We talked about the fact that, at
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Speaker 2: least I believe, there's likely players in the WNBA who
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Speaker 2: are not XX chromosome, and that is why they won't
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Speaker 2: have a basic sex test to determine who's eligible to
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Speaker 2: play and who's not. But here is Enos, by the way.
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Speaker 2: This was at the WNBA game last night saying that
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Speaker 2: he's getting death threats because he has decided to identify
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Speaker 2: as a woman.
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Speaker 1: Cut 19. What's the worst death threat you've gotten?
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Speaker 3: I'll show you one right now. It says, you'll be
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Speaker 3: the next Charlie Kerr. It is pretty disgusting. My DMs
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Speaker 3: are full of pictures and videos of the moment that
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kerr got shot. And they're saying that you're going
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Speaker 3: to be next very soon. I've been getting thousands of
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Speaker 3: death threats already. Just simply said, I'm going to be
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Speaker 3: there and enjoy the game and attend the game. And
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Speaker 3: for that, people in Atlanta have been sending me many
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Speaker 3: death threats. We are in touch with the FBI. We
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Speaker 3: have our own security. We have a conversation with the governor,
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Speaker 3: and he's providing us security as well.
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Speaker 2: Imagine getting death threats, Buck, because you are mocking the
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Speaker 2: fact that people don't know the difference between men and women.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is also a reminder that the people who
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Speaker 1: are extremely invested in emotionally and psychologically in the trans issue,
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Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about necessarily trans people. That's a very,
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Speaker 1: very small subset of the population, right? But people who
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Speaker 1: feel very strongly about the trans issue tend to be
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Speaker 1: a little crazy or really crazy and dangerous, as we
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Speaker 1: have seen, willing to become violent over this issue. I
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Speaker 1: will never forget, I told you a very mainstream conservative
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Speaker 1: writer who has been writing about, and all of you
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Speaker 1: would know him, but it was kind of an offline conversation,
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Speaker 1: so I don't want to name him. This is over
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Speaker 1: a decade ago, and he told me of all the
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Speaker 1: things he had written on, abortion, race relations, everything else,
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Speaker 1: more death threats, more consistently writing on the trans issue
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Speaker 1: than anything else. Crazy. That is.
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Speaker 1: Indicative of the people who are the most invested in
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Speaker 1: the issue. You get a lot of crazies on the
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Speaker 1: trans issue. And he is he's got to take that
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Speaker 1: stuff seriously. I'm sorry to say, Clay, I wish I
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Speaker 1: could just you could laugh it off and be like, oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, in a post Charlie Kirk world, of course,
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Speaker 1: you can't laugh that stuff off. We have to take
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Speaker 1: it all very seriously.
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Speaker 2: No i mean it's unfortunate that we are in this
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Speaker 2: space let me also correct something this was evidently buck
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Speaker 2: at madison square garden so it's the opening of the
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Speaker 2: nba season i don't know who the person that was
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Speaker 2: there to sing I would tell you I'm sure the
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Speaker 2: Knicks had an incredibly talented performer because they're dropping their
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Speaker 2: championship banner, first one in 53 years. Tonight is the
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Speaker 2: opener for Philly. And again, I just think it's emblematic
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Speaker 2: of how many people in sports aren't willing to have
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Speaker 2: gratitude that they get to play a game for a
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Speaker 2: living and that they get paid sums of money that
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Speaker 2: make them fabulously wealthy. to the rest of the country
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Speaker 2: and for people who say well i don't know why
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Speaker 2: they have to sign stand for the anthem they collectively
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Speaker 2: bargained as a part of their contracts to agree to
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Speaker 2: do that.
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Speaker 1: Right he's violating his contract you know if you sign
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Speaker 1: a contract with a plumber and says you're gonna fix
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Speaker 1: my you know you're gonna fix my sink and they
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Speaker 1: just say yeah i'm not gonna do it okay they're
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Speaker 1: breaking a contract like the same thing with athletes signed
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Speaker 1: a contract you're supposed to honor your end of the
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Speaker 1: contract um I would say this. I really like your
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Speaker 1: take on this from a while ago, Clay. And it's
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Speaker 1: one of those ones that I just kind of steal now.
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Speaker 1: So hope you're cool with that. And that is that
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Speaker 1: people have to understand at this level, you know, a
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Speaker 1: lot of you might have sons or daughters who played
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Speaker 1: college athletics and they work so, so hard and you're
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Speaker 1: so proud of them. And that's all amazing and true
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Speaker 1: and real. At the LeBron James level, it's just a
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Speaker 1: gift from God. I mean, he's just he was it's
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Speaker 1: almost like. the female equivalent of being a supermodel. You know,
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Speaker 1: Gisele Bundchen, I'm not saying she didn't work at it.
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Speaker 2: Victoria's Secret models and NBA draft picks are genetic freaks. Like, yes,
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Speaker 2: you can refine your ability, but you don't become a
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Speaker 2: six-foot-tall gorgeous woman entirely because you do a little bit
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Speaker 2: of extra leg lifts, and you don't become an NBA
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Speaker 2: draft pick, lottery pick, without being a physical freak. Those
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Speaker 2: bodies just don't exist very often.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: And so you've won the genetics lottery. And I like
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Speaker 1: your comparison about with supermodels. Because people assume like athletes,
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Speaker 1: like they just wanted it more. Like they just fought harder.
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Speaker 1: The difference between most D3 and D1 athletes, and I've
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Speaker 1: talked to coaches about this actually before, like even at
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Speaker 1: my school, it's actually not work ethic or skill. It's
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Speaker 1: just physical gift. It's size, speed, strength. That's really the
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Speaker 1: difference for the most part in most sports. Certainly in
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Speaker 1: basketball and football.
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Speaker 2: Everybody says in sports, Buck, you know this, there's two
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Speaker 2: things you can't coach, size and speed. You can make
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Speaker 2: people better based on those criteria, but you can't take
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Speaker 2: a slow guy and make him fast. You can't take
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Speaker 2: a short guy and make him tall.
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Speaker 1: And I just, with LeBron James, yeah, he's like, you know,
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Speaker 1: guy's made a billion dollars playing basketball. He's globally famous, whatever.
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Speaker 1: He's kind of a spoiled brat. You know, he's kind
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Speaker 1: of a spoiled brat. I just, you know, people can say, oh,
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Speaker 1: but he's worked so hard for it. He gets to
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Speaker 1: play a kid's game and be a superhero to a
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Speaker 1: huge portion of the world and make unbelievable amounts of money,
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Speaker 1: and he can't just show a little respect for the anthem? Like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I knew guys who got chewed up by
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Speaker 1: IEDs in Iraq for this country, and they were making,
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Speaker 1: you know, 30 grand a year for soldier pay or whatever.
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Speaker 1: LeBron James can't show a little respect?
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 1: That's a problem. I would just say this. The average...
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Speaker 1: Truck driver works harder every day by far than LeBron
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Speaker 1: James does. Way harder. Way harder. Way harder.
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Speaker 2: You can only work out a couple of hours a day.
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Speaker 2: You have to work. If you're listening to us right
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Speaker 2: now in a truck, you have to work. 8, 10, 12.
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Speaker 1: Hours every day minimum. You really helped open my eyes
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Speaker 1: to this, which is this notion that professional athletes just
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Speaker 1: work so much harder. They make obscene salaries, are incredibly famous,
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Speaker 1: basically can pick whichever swimsuit model they want to marry. Like,
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are in a coal mine somewhere, okay?
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Speaker 1: They're working a lot. Well, not really in America these days,
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Speaker 1: but you get what I'm saying. They're working a lot harder.
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Speaker 1: Showing up to a job that you have to do
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Speaker 1: to pay rent that you need to survive, that's a
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Speaker 1: lot harder than being, It is more difficult than being
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Speaker 1: a professional athlete. Most of you work harder than the
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Speaker 1: average pro athlete. That's just true.
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Speaker 2: By the way, Avery Wilson, don't know him, Broadway actor
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Speaker 2: and singer, Grammy-nominated R & B artist. If you are
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Speaker 2: disrespecting the anthem, you're also disrespecting the person who is
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Speaker 2: singing the anthem on the court with you, directly in
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Speaker 2: front of you. So, again, I just think that LeBron
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Speaker 2: did this intentionally. I think he is sending a message
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Speaker 2: to people on the left. I don't respect this country.
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Speaker 2: I don't respect our anthem. Bet you, Buck, that he
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Speaker 2: wouldn't have done this during the Chinese national anthem. I
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Speaker 2: bet he would have been standing up tall and straight
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Speaker 2: and staring right at the China flag.
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Speaker 1: Anybody want to take that wager? You're calling him out,
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Speaker 1: and I think you're right. No way he goes to
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20:03
Speaker 1: understand why it is so very very popular right i
20:06
Speaker 1: i get why And that extends a whole range of things,
20:10
Speaker 1: but also people who are in the commentary and podcasting space, right?
20:16
Speaker 1: Even if it's not my, like, I'm not a true
20:18
Speaker 1: crime guy, for example, but I understand why some people,
20:21
Speaker 1: they just love, they get lost in the detail. I
20:23
Speaker 1: get it. Like, it makes sense to me. It's not
20:25
Speaker 1: my cup of tea, but I understand. The astounding success
20:33
Speaker 1: of the Call Her Daddy show is something that does
20:37
Speaker 1: make me worry a little bit about the future of
20:41
Speaker 1: young women in this country. I don't listen to the
20:43
Speaker 1: show much. I did listen to an episode or two
20:47
Speaker 1: a while ago just because it was so high on
20:50
Speaker 1: the charts. This is one of the top ten podcasts
20:53
Speaker 1: and maybe even top five podcasts in the world, or
20:56
Speaker 1: at least in the English-speaking world, on a regular basis.
20:59
Speaker 1: It's a monster, clay word, a monster podcast, like absolutely
21:04
Speaker 1: just giant numbers. And that's fine, and I love when
21:07
Speaker 1: people do really well, and I'll listen. Sean Ryan's a friend.
21:11
Speaker 1: He does a great show, and I really enjoy a
21:13
Speaker 1: lot of the guests he has on. Obviously, Joe Rogan
21:15
Speaker 1: has become an institution. There's so many other podcasts, and
21:18
Speaker 1: they're all doing huge. There are huge numbers, and that's great.
21:22
Speaker 1: But when they give a message that I view as
21:26
Speaker 1: kind of poisonous, I think it's something that we have
21:29
Speaker 1: to address. And I think that young women in this country,
21:34
Speaker 1: obviously I'm neither a woman nor am I particularly young,
21:36
Speaker 1: But young women in this country are getting a lot
21:40
Speaker 1: of really bad messages, and they're getting some very bad
21:44
Speaker 1: messages from this Call Her Daddy show, which I view as,
21:48
Speaker 1: and I've seen a lot of clips because the clips
21:49
Speaker 1: will go viral, as extremely degrading, superficial, narcissistic, and really
22:00
Speaker 1: just degenerate. It's really just like a degeneracy machine for women.
22:04
Speaker 1: It's doing very they think of it as like liberation
22:06
Speaker 1: and like you go, girl. No, it's terrible. OK, it's
22:09
Speaker 1: not it's not good. And here's an here's a classic example.
22:12
Speaker 1: And Glenn, I can talk about this a bit. Here's
22:14
Speaker 1: the advice on the show for women who might be
22:17
Speaker 1: having a troubled moment in their marriage. Play it.
22:21
Speaker 2: We can get really, really in our heads about, Oh
22:24
Speaker 2: my God, I feel like I'm, maybe I shouldn't leave
22:26
Speaker 2: this marriage because can I even get better?
22:29
Speaker 1: And the answer is always yes. The answer is always yes.
22:32
Speaker 1: And this idea that it's too late or you're too
22:36
Speaker 1: old or who are you to want more? That's patriarchy.
22:39
Speaker 1: That is crazy. We don't need it. Clay.
22:44
Speaker 3: I know.
22:44
Speaker 1: Now you, you have got the real veteran status here,
22:47
Speaker 1: I'm going into year four of marriage, but I've also
22:49
Speaker 1: observed a lot in my 44 years of life and
22:51
Speaker 1: see who's happy and who's making good decisions. Marriage is
22:54
Speaker 1: not about, maybe I could break this off, blow up
22:58
Speaker 1: my whole life, destroy this household, leave my kids with
23:01
Speaker 1: a non in non intact marriage as their model, because
23:06
Speaker 1: I think I could get something better. That's actually not
23:10
Speaker 1: what marriage is supposed to be at all. I also
23:13
Speaker 1: think it's, Almost always, unless there's like abuse or there
23:17
Speaker 1: are some circumstances where I understand that, you know, marriage
23:19
Speaker 1: essentially needs to be does need to be.
23:23
Speaker 3: Over.
23:23
Speaker 1: Although, you know, the Catholic Church says there's really no
23:25
Speaker 1: such thing. We've talked about that another time. But, Clay,
23:28
Speaker 1: this telling women, hey, if you're having a bad moment
23:31
Speaker 1: in your marriage, you can always do better is pure
23:36
Speaker 1: brain poison for them. It's brain poison for men, too,
23:39
Speaker 1: by the way. But she's speaking to women. It's often
23:43
Speaker 1: totally wrong. But I'm big on looking at incentives. So
23:47
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard this clip before. So here's what I
23:50
Speaker 1: would say in general.
23:52
Speaker 2: I believe 80% of divorce is initiated by women. 75-80%.
23:59
Speaker 1: I saw that stat and it was staggering to me.
24:03
Speaker 2: 75 or 80% of divorces are.
24:08
Speaker 1: Initiated by women. I think it's because.
24:11
Speaker 2: This is the message that women get sent by a
24:15
Speaker 2: lot of their media now, that you should cut and run,
24:20
Speaker 2: that you can do better.
24:22
Speaker 1: If you're unhappy, you should leave.
24:25
Speaker 2: Now, to your point, Buck, if you're getting beaten up,
24:28
Speaker 2: legitimately assaulted, this is a very different conversation. Physical abuse
24:34
Speaker 2: is a different conversation. Most women are not going to
24:37
Speaker 2: do better than the guy that they have, okay?
24:40
Speaker 3: Yes. 80-20.
24:42
Speaker 1: I come to this.
24:43
Speaker 2: From an incentive culture basis, Buck, where I look at
24:46
Speaker 2: this and say, why would.
24:48
Speaker 1: It be 80-20?
24:49
Speaker 2: I think we need to go back and reassess the
24:53
Speaker 2: way that we apply divorce. And I know there's going
24:56
Speaker 2: to be a lot of people out there listening right now.
24:59
Speaker 2: And I would say for men or women, if you
25:02
Speaker 2: initiate divorce and you walk out on your family, I
25:07
Speaker 2: don't think you should get alimony. I don't think you
25:10
Speaker 2: should get support. And I understand some people out there
25:14
Speaker 2: get riled up about this, but I'm saying for men
25:16
Speaker 2: or for women, because there are men that will break
25:20
Speaker 2: up their relationships and walk out on their family. If
25:23
Speaker 2: you make that choice, that's your right. I'm not saying
25:25
Speaker 2: that you should never be able to leave a marriage,
25:28
Speaker 2: but I don't think you should be rewarded for leaving
25:31
Speaker 2: a marriage. And I think a lot of the reason
25:34
Speaker 2: that many of these women are making this choice buck
25:37
Speaker 2: is because they're getting paid even if they're walking out.
25:43
Speaker 2: And then we can dive into courts are still in credit.
25:46
Speaker 2: And look, I know there's a bunch of dads out
25:48
Speaker 2: there that get fired up about this topic. Courts are
25:51
Speaker 2: still very biased when it comes to who gets primary
25:54
Speaker 2: custody of children. It's almost impossible for a man in
25:59
Speaker 2: a divorce to ever get primary custody of his kids.
26:02
Speaker 2: because courts are biased in favor of women, I believe
26:06
Speaker 2: it extends across the entire divorce process. Women can go
26:10
Speaker 2: online and they can look and they can say, my
26:13
Speaker 2: husband makes this much dollars. I know exactly what I'm
26:16
Speaker 2: going to get in alimony without having to do anything.
26:20
Speaker 2: I just think that's wrong. I think no-fault divorce is wrong.
26:24
Speaker 2: And this is me getting on my pedestal. If you're
26:27
Speaker 2: the fault, imagine if we did all the time no-fault
26:31
Speaker 2: car accidents. So if you just saw somebody driving in
26:35
Speaker 2: a nice vehicle, if you just hit them, and people
26:39
Speaker 2: try to do this for fraud so that you're going
26:41
Speaker 2: to get paid out, I just think that the way
26:44
Speaker 2: that we end relationships in America... It may have made
26:48
Speaker 2: sense in the 1950s when women clearly did not have
26:52
Speaker 2: equal rights and equal power in the same way in
26:56
Speaker 2: the courts. I think the whole system is very slanted
26:59
Speaker 2: in favor of women. And I would just say, Buck,
27:01
Speaker 2: if you disagree with me, why are 80 percent of
27:05
Speaker 2: divorces initiated by women? I think the incentive structure favors
27:09
Speaker 2: women who want to walk out on relationships and more
27:13
Speaker 2: than it favors men. Because I don't buy it. Some
27:16
Speaker 2: of you would just say, well, men are 80% of
27:18
Speaker 2: the problems in all relationships.
27:20
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. I don't think most of you
27:22
Speaker 1: out there would buy it. Look, this is a big
27:26
Speaker 1: discussion that brings in a whole lot of things. But
27:30
Speaker 1: being flippant and telling somebody, I mean, first of all,
27:33
Speaker 1: if you are, I can only speak from a Roman
27:36
Speaker 1: Catholic perspective. I assume this is true of other Christian
27:39
Speaker 1: denominations as well, maybe in different ways. Although, you know,
27:43
Speaker 1: some of the, like the Anglican church, we can talk
27:45
Speaker 1: about that another time. I'm not going to start a
27:48
Speaker 1: religious war right now, but I would say marriage is
27:53
Speaker 1: for life and it's a sacrament and it's a promise
27:57
Speaker 1: made between two people. And there's very clear stuff said
28:01
Speaker 1: about it that I think people, you know, for richer,
28:03
Speaker 1: for poorer, sickness and in health, you know, it's not easy. And,
28:09
Speaker 1: you know, my mom always says it's a vocation that
28:11
Speaker 1: this is, That this is something that you give yourself
28:14
Speaker 1: to and that you put work into. First of all,
28:17
Speaker 1: Alex Cooper is married. The other woman, Sophia Bush. Alex
28:19
Speaker 1: Cooper just had a baby.
28:21
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:21
Speaker 1: The other woman, Sophia Bush, she's been married three times.
28:25
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure you want to take marriage advice
28:28
Speaker 1: from her. I'm just going to put that out there.
28:30
Speaker 1: Start with that. I think one of her marriages lasted
28:32
Speaker 1: six months. So not a great track record. And these
28:37
Speaker 1: are things, you know, I was you gave me.
28:39
Speaker 2: On incentive structure. I just think you look at it
28:41
Speaker 2: and say, why are so many women initiating divorce? It's
28:45
Speaker 2: because you're looking at it like a like a lawyer.
28:47
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it more from like this sort of,
28:48
Speaker 2: you know, spiritual and important sacrament.
28:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:52
Speaker 1: Clay is like, bottom line, they get too many dollars
28:55
Speaker 1: too fast. This is crazy. My client doesn't deserve this.
28:57
Speaker 1: And I agree with all that, too. But I'm looking
28:59
Speaker 1: at this, Clay, more just from the life outcomes. Let's
29:02
Speaker 1: put on our Jordan Peterson hats here for a second.
29:05
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, what are you trying to do? It's like, no,
29:10
Speaker 1: stay with it. You've got to actually decide that you're
29:14
Speaker 1: going to work with your spouse to build the day-to-day
29:20
Speaker 1: life that you want, where you support each other, where
29:23
Speaker 1: you love each other. And it's also... assuming you have
29:26
Speaker 1: kids and not everyone can have kids. And I think
29:27
Speaker 1: people need to be very sensitive about that too, by
29:29
Speaker 1: the way, because a lot of people I know have
29:31
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble. I've tried everything else. But when
29:34
Speaker 1: you have kids involved, they're more important than you are.
29:38
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. Like, the kids'
29:40
Speaker 1: needs are more important than your needs, and we have
29:42
Speaker 1: a society that's always telling everybody, oh, but, you know,
29:45
Speaker 1: you go, girl, especially for the women. You go, girl, and,
29:48
Speaker 1: you know, men who cheat, for example, Clay, are maligned. Now,
29:52
Speaker 1: I understand people might say some of them become president
29:54
Speaker 1: of the United States, and that's also true, but socially
29:57
Speaker 1: speaking and generally speaking... You are considered a bad guy
30:03
Speaker 1: when you step out on your wife or people have
30:05
Speaker 1: a very, very negative view of that. Women who just
30:07
Speaker 1: decide that they want to get married to somebody else
30:11
Speaker 1: or that there's something better out there, this is what
30:15
Speaker 1: the podcast is saying. This is like empowerment for you. Oh,
30:17
Speaker 1: there's something better out there. You know, Clay, the show
30:20
Speaker 1: Billions was actually one of the first shows that lost
30:23
Speaker 1: me over pure wokeness, which was the tranny 23-year-old. And
30:29
Speaker 1: then we had like a love scene. I'm like, I'm out.
30:33
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it anymore. I enjoyed the show. There
30:35
Speaker 1: was a little weird like S & M stuff, too,
30:37
Speaker 1: that I didn't like. But I enjoyed the show until
30:38
Speaker 1: that point. There was one scene, though, that was kind
30:41
Speaker 1: of a minor scene, I guess, and probably most people
30:43
Speaker 1: don't really remember it. who watched that show Billions, but
30:46
Speaker 1: I'll share it with you. And I might've mentioned to
30:47
Speaker 1: you before, it's a machine that stuck with me more
30:49
Speaker 1: than anything else. And it's the main character, Chuck, whatever
30:52
Speaker 1: his name is, his, do you remember his last name?
30:55
Speaker 1: I don't remember. He's a guy, Chuck, he's played by
30:56
Speaker 1: Paul Giamatti. And he's sitting with his very successful lawyer
31:00
Speaker 1: friend who's got some super hot blonde yoga instructor girlfriend
31:06
Speaker 1: that he's funding her yoga studios and everything else. And
31:09
Speaker 1: she's kind of like, you know, in the realm of
31:11
Speaker 1: male fantasy, you know, she's looks like a pinup girl.
31:13
Speaker 1: And she gets up and she goes to the bathroom
31:15
Speaker 1: when they're at a fancy sushi restaurant. And he looks
31:18
Speaker 1: at his buddy Chuck and he's just like, Chuck Rhodes. Thanks, guys.
31:21
Speaker 1: But he looks at his buddy Chuck Rhodes and he goes, yeah, she's,
31:24
Speaker 1: you know, great. I'd give it all up to be
31:27
Speaker 1: back with Marcy on the couch with the kids. Not divorced.
31:31
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:32
Speaker 1: That really, I feel like one of the writers in
31:35
Speaker 1: that writer's room either is or knows somebody who's divorced.
31:38
Speaker 1: And because that really came from a deeper place. Don't
31:42
Speaker 1: ever give up being with Marcy or Phil or Bob
31:45
Speaker 1: or whoever on the couch with the kids, guys. Unless,
31:49
Speaker 1: I agree with Clay, physical abuse, substance abuse, there are
31:51
Speaker 1: times when it's too much is too much and you
31:54
Speaker 1: have to be able to take care of yourself as well.
31:56
Speaker 1: But this you-go-girl, you-go-find-your-night-in-shining-armor-and-leave-your-husband-behind attitude, poison, Clay. Because I've seen it.
32:05
Speaker 1: I grew up in New York City. It was all
32:07
Speaker 1: over the place. Shattered marriages all over New York City.
32:11
Speaker 1: somebody trying to trade up, somebody trying to go for
32:14
Speaker 1: the newer model.
32:15
Speaker 2: I just look at that 80% and I say, again,
32:19
Speaker 2: as my rational brain, you can't explain why women do 80%
32:25
Speaker 2: of divorce decisions just based on, well, men are wrong 80%
32:30
Speaker 2: of the time and are unlivable. I think men put
32:33
Speaker 2: up with a lot, my bet would be, to only
32:36
Speaker 2: be doing divorce 20% of the time, only initiating 20%.
32:41
Speaker 2: I think we have a broken legal system that treats
32:44
Speaker 2: women more fairly, which is actually, if she wants to
32:47
Speaker 2: talk about the patriarchy buck, it's actually because women weren't
32:51
Speaker 2: treated fairly back in the 40s and 50s. They couldn't
32:54
Speaker 2: get out of marriage, and we overreacted in the 1960s
32:58
Speaker 2: with the policies that we put in place, which are
33:00
Speaker 2: leading to the incentive structure that is being followed today
33:04
Speaker 2: by so many women.
33:06
Speaker 1: That's me.
33:06
Speaker 2: Just I look at the end results like the same
33:08
Speaker 2: thing with open border. It's a rational thing if you
33:12
Speaker 2: live in a crappy country to try to get to America.
33:14
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a rational decision, but we shouldn't encourage it.
33:18
Speaker 2: Too many people in the rowboat, the whole rowboat goes under.
33:21
Speaker 2: That's America with the borders.
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35:06
Speaker 1: Obviously, Riley Gaines is awesome.
35:08
Speaker 2: She said, can you imagine the reaction if two guys
35:12
Speaker 2: on a podcast told all the married men in their audience,
35:16
Speaker 2: divorce your wives, you can always find somebody younger and hotter?
35:22
Speaker 2: All of the women out there would lose their minds.
35:26
Speaker 2: Because their biggest fear is that their husbands are going
35:30
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35:34
Speaker 2: If two guys on a podcast advised every married man
35:38
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35:43
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35:45
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35:47
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35:49
Speaker 1: First of all, it would be awful advice because you
35:52
Speaker 1: don't want to walk out on your family.
35:54
Speaker 3: But.
35:56
Speaker 2: those podcast hosts, the women would lose their minds.
35:59
Speaker 3: Yes.
36:00
Speaker 1: All of the.
36:00
Speaker 2: Women would say, this is an example of toxic masculinity.
36:03
Speaker 2: The patriarchy is still here. They would all lose their
36:06
Speaker 2: minds over the same advice. If, if men were given it,
36:09
Speaker 2: that women were just given.
36:11
Speaker 1: By the way, I think that maybe they don't have
36:13
Speaker 1: to lose their minds, but I think that that outrage
36:14
Speaker 1: or that sense of like, that's a terrible advice. I
36:17
Speaker 1: agree with it, but the point you're making is exactly right,
36:20
Speaker 1: which is, this is just that in the other direction.
36:22
Speaker 2: Yes.
36:22
Speaker 1: On a huge podcast, that's influencing young women to, to
36:25
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36:30
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36:32
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