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Credlin | 9 December · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight on Kredline.
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Speaker 3: Yet another apology to Victoria's indigenous people. Now, this one
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Speaker 3: might seem like another hollow, symbolic gesture without much consequence,
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Speaker 3: but that's where you'd be mistaken. Confirmation today of one
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Speaker 3: hundred million dollar indigenous settlements Victorian labor have tried to
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Speaker 3: keep secret the Observe Bank today keeping the cash rate
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Speaker 3: on hold for the final meeting of the year. Not
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Speaker 3: any cut. That's terrible, that's gone if lations spiking means
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Speaker 3: are now talking about a rate hike plus As I said,
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Speaker 3: Annika Wells facing pressure again today late this afternoon, though
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Speaker 3: she's referred herself off to an inquiry to the umpire
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Speaker 3: in an attempt to get the heat off her.
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Speaker 2: That won't work.
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Speaker 3: I'll explain why in a moment and in welcome news too.
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Speaker 3: At a time of global tensions, it would appear that
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Speaker 3: the Orchest deal is now full steam ahead under President Trump.
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Speaker 2: To strong alliance, and what we want to do is
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Speaker 2: continue to build on it.
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Speaker 4: We think we have a lot of momentum at the
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Speaker 4: direction of the President Arcus his full steam ahead, as
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Speaker 4: he said.
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Speaker 3: But first, despite fifty four percent of Victorians voting against
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Speaker 3: the Voice, proving that the Green left governments never let
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Speaker 3: democracy get in the way of their ideology. The Ollen
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Speaker 3: government today has gone full ularou with Voice, Treaty and Truth.
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Speaker 2: And now an apology.
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Speaker 3: This afternoon in a special sitting of the Parliament, it's
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Speaker 3: also added the groveling Apology to Indigenous Australians to its armory.
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Speaker 3: This is the fourth such apology by a Victorian premier.
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Speaker 5: For the harm inflicted upon them through the actions and
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Speaker 5: inactions of the state. We can begin to say what
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Speaker 5: should have been said a long time ago, to ensure
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Speaker 5: that the wrongs of the past are never repeated. We
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Speaker 5: say sorry.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, throughout Victoria's for four year so called Truth Telling Inquiry,
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Speaker 3: the Yarouk Justice Commission had more than a dozen apologies
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Speaker 3: from state ministers and government representatives, but enough fees, Never enough,
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Speaker 3: it would seem, when it comes to people today atoning
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Speaker 3: for what might have happened some two centuries ago. According
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Speaker 3: to Dissenter, allen actions and in actions of the state
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Speaker 3: and the colony that came before it resulted in profound
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Speaker 3: and undeniable harms to Aboriginal people. Now, there are three
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Speaker 3: huge problems with this apology mania.
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Speaker 2: First, there's the.
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Speaker 3: Pretense that nothing good has ever come from British What
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Speaker 3: about democracy, the rule of law, vast material progress, equal
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Speaker 3: rights for women in some cases, the protection of children,
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Speaker 3: all of which were unknown in presettlement Australia. What about
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Speaker 3: food and clothing and shelter, none of which could have
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Speaker 3: been taken for granted in ancient Australia. And sure there
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Speaker 3: was violence on the frontiers of settlement. Violence at the
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Speaker 3: colonial authorities always tried to stop, but there was, and
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Speaker 3: there still is horrific examples of violence inside some indigenous communities,
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Speaker 3: particularly acts of physical and sexual violence committed by Aboriginal
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Speaker 3: men against Aboriginal women and children. But even during our
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Speaker 3: colonial years there were also attempts to spread education and
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Speaker 3: employment too, some of which were successful. Then there's the
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Speaker 3: inequality inherent in giving some people more say over how
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Speaker 3: government operas aid than everyone else. The legislation that the
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Speaker 3: Victorian government recently ran through the Parliament and that foreshadow
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Speaker 3: this formal apology, sets up a permanent indigenous body. It's
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Speaker 3: called gellung Wall, an Indigenous word meaning tip of the spear,
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Speaker 3: and henceforth it will be consulted on every piece of
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Speaker 3: legislation that's introduced into Victorian Parliament affecting Aboriginal communities.
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Speaker 2: Then there's the reinforcement.
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Speaker 3: Of victimhood inherent in this constant, institutionalized reiteration that Aboriginal
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Speaker 3: people have somehow been ripped off and discriminated against, even
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Speaker 3: though as this program goes to air tonight, there are
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Speaker 3: more people of Aboriginal descent in our nation's parliament than
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Speaker 3: there are proportionately Aboriginal people in our nation. We all
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Speaker 3: know where this is leading to, don't we Place names
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Speaker 3: that we're all familiar with will be averaginggalized. Already the
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Speaker 3: ABC is broadcasting from nam we know it as Melbourne
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Speaker 3: and Quantas Lands, its planes in Knee Engine or Brisbane.
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Speaker 3: Aboriginal people are already starting to exclude other Australians from
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Speaker 3: our shared landmarks like Mountain Warning and New South Wales,
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Speaker 3: like much of the Grampians here in Victoria, and even
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Speaker 3: Ularou formerly airs Rock itself that's already been closed to climbing.
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Speaker 3: And then there's the money, because so often it's all.
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Speaker 2: About the money.
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Speaker 3: It's what I uncovered during the Whole Voice debate isn't
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Speaker 3: it the whole push for reparations or compensation that was
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Speaker 3: very deep in the full Ularoo statement or twenty six
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Speaker 3: pages of it. And yet ask yourself this, is there
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Speaker 3: any consideration in these claims for compensation of all the
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Speaker 3: money that non Aboriginal Australia have spent since we arrived,
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Speaker 3: money to build this nation and to share its wealth.
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Speaker 3: It's not as though anyone in the Aboriginal industry is
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Speaker 3: offering to payback the money already spent, are they? And
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Speaker 3: that money is spent is substantial across all three levels
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Speaker 3: of government, local, state and federal. We're talking thirty billion
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Speaker 3: dollars a year. Thirty billion, that's thirty thousand million a year.
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Speaker 3: And that money gets spread across just nine hundred and
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Speaker 3: eighty three thousand, seven hundred people, not even a million,
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Speaker 3: because according to the latest census, that so many people
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Speaker 3: identify as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, that is three
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Speaker 3: point eight percent of the Australian population. As I said,
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Speaker 3: the money is key here. Today, the Herald Sun reports
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Speaker 3: the Victorian government has been forced to reveal via FOI
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Speaker 3: what it has previously tried to keep secret. And that's
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Speaker 3: payments of some one hundred million dollars to Aboriginal groups
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Speaker 3: in reparations. Even though the Labor government had previously claimed falsely,
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Speaker 3: we now know that there would be no reparations, even
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Speaker 3: conceding that for a time Aboriginal people in what now
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Speaker 3: is Victoria might have been worse off in the nineteenth
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Speaker 3: century than before. Why should all of today's Victorians, who
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Speaker 3: are unlikely to have ever personally discriminated against Aboriginal people
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Speaker 3: be taxed to reward those Victorians who now identify as
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Speaker 3: o Aboriginal, who are themselves unlikely to have ever suffered
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Speaker 3: legal discrimination whatsoever. Indeed, given that most Aboriginal people have
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Speaker 3: mixed ancestry, why reward today's Aboriginal people for what some
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Speaker 3: of their very own ancestors might have done to others
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Speaker 3: in their family tree centuries ago.
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Speaker 6: Whether that means a colonization continues now, it's probably a
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Speaker 6: separate question.
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Speaker 7: But would you accept that there have been generations of
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Speaker 7: trauma as a result of that history?
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Speaker 8: Well, I guess that would mean that those of us
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Speaker 8: whose ancestors were dispossessed of their own country and brought
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Speaker 8: here in change as convicts are also suffering from intergenerational trauma,
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Speaker 8: So I should be doubly suffering from intergeneration.
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Speaker 2: How good is she? I mean? At every level, this
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Speaker 2: is wrong. It's wrong because it removes cause from effect.
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Speaker 3: How can the people have never caused anything adverse be
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Speaker 3: made to pay to people who have unlikely to have
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Speaker 3: ever experienced anything more adverse than her feelings? How can
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Speaker 3: we afford to keep giving money to victim groups with
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Speaker 3: no expectation whatsoever that they would do anything to help themselves?
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Speaker 3: And why should we be treating today's victorians as irredeemingly
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Speaker 3: complicit in fundamental injustice that can never really ever be
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Speaker 3: atoned for and will never be forgiven or forgotten. While
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Speaker 3: there's a body whose very existence depends on perpetuating grievance,
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Speaker 3: with a body permanently there to separate us by our
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Speaker 3: skin color, how can we have a hope to be
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Speaker 3: a united, coesive state and country. You see, this is
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Speaker 3: the fundamental problem with the whole panopoly of welcomes to country,
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Speaker 3: acknowledgments of indigenous elders, treaties, voices, and truth telling. It's
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Speaker 3: all built on the assumption that settlement should never have happened,
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Speaker 3: that it took place as an act of unjust violence
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Speaker 3: against Aboriginal people, and that there must be a never
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Speaker 3: ending process of humiliation and atonement on the part of
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Speaker 3: every Victorian, every Australian it doesn't claim some indigenous ancestry.
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Speaker 3: Three apologies already in Victoria, another one today, and I
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Speaker 3: can promise you it won't end there. I can promise
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Speaker 3: you that this is not the end of the Aboriginal
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Speaker 3: grievous grievance industry that needs perpetual victimhood in order to
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Speaker 3: justify their very existence, to hang on to their platforms
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Speaker 3: of power, to pay for their staff and all their machinery,
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Speaker 3: to keep the money flowing. And yet, as someone who
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Speaker 3: does not believe that race should ever divide us, how
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Speaker 3: can a state or a country based on that ever
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Speaker 3: be at peace with itself?
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Speaker 2: Fundamentally it can't. And Australians know that. They know that
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Speaker 2: in their.
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Speaker 3: Hearts, and this is why, by a big majority, even
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Speaker 3: in wake Victoria, they rejected the Prime Minister's voice and
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Speaker 3: everything they knew that would come from it. Now, all
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Speaker 3: credit here today to the Victorian Liberal opposition who took
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Speaker 3: a stand against not only the treaty but also this apology.
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Speaker 3: Today here is the new leader, Jess Wilson, who yes,
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Speaker 3: she supported the Voice a couple of years ago, but
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Speaker 3: has not only changed her position to now a poe
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Speaker 3: WHU is dividing Victorians by race that has also made
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Speaker 3: it a key part of the opposition's election platform.
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Speaker 7: Speaker, I want to emphasize that the difference in approach
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Speaker 7: between the Coalition and the government represent a policy disagreement
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Speaker 7: on the most effective method to achieve meaningful outcomes and
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Speaker 7: improvements for Indigenous Victorians. They do not represent a disagreement
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Speaker 7: on the need to achieve these outcomes and improvements. Good
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Speaker 7: intentions matter, but so too do good outcomes. Actions matter,
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Speaker 7: and they matter far more than mere sentiments to offer.
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Speaker 7: We hear a sentiment expressed in the community that we
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Speaker 7: have inherited a collective guilt. I believe what we have
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Speaker 7: inherited is a responsibility to address persistent and unacceptable Indigenous disadvantage.
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Speaker 3: And in opposing this apology today, Labor members in the
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Speaker 3: House in Victoria or they were feral in their response.
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Speaker 3: National nine No, Liberal Party Order, Liberal Party whip eighteen those.
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Speaker 2: Labor Party Whip fifty two. Yes. Are there any other votes?
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Speaker 3: The sooner this government's thrown out and the treaty legislation
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Speaker 3: in Victoria is repealed. The better for everyone, but most
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Speaker 3: particularly the better for Aboriginal Australians across the country, because
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Speaker 3: it's only when we stopped dividing each other by race
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Speaker 3: that we become one. I thought we were as I
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Speaker 3: was taught we were when I was growing up, but
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Speaker 3: which we have systematically since that time tried to tear
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Speaker 3: down with division based on race ever since. All right,
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Speaker 3: let's go to Camber now for the headlines. Sky News
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Speaker 3: political reporter cam Reddin good.
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Speaker 9: Evening, Australia's world leading social media ban for under sixteens
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Speaker 9: begins in less than six hours, but the communications meant
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Speaker 9: to Annika Wells remains embroiled in an expenses scandal.
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Speaker 6: Why does this lady still have a job?
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Speaker 7: Doesn't feel super balanced with a government that is claiming
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Speaker 7: that they're very sympathetic.
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Speaker 2: Towards this kind of cost of living crisis. Look, I
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Speaker 2: have some more radical views on what you could do.
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Speaker 2: I think you could get rid of all travel or gifts.
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Speaker 9: And my view is what I worry about in politics
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Speaker 9: is people being enticed to do things they shouldn't. A
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Speaker 9: legal challenge against the government's plan to deport those who
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Speaker 9: can't remain in indefinite immigration detention has been heard in
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Speaker 9: the High Court. The Albanezer government struck a two point
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Speaker 9: five billion dollar deal last year that would allow it
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Speaker 9: to send them to Naharu on thirty year visas. One
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Speaker 9: of them, an Iranian man, is fighting his deportation in
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Speaker 9: the High Court. His lawyers have argued that he's been
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Speaker 9: denied procedural fairness and that he would be at risk
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Speaker 9: of imminent and premature death from an asthma attack if
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Speaker 9: he was sent to Naaru due to their being inadequate
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Speaker 9: medical facilities. For this reason, they it would not be
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Speaker 9: reasonably practicable to send him there and he should be
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Speaker 9: allowed to remain in Australia. The government changed laws in September,
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Speaker 9: meaning in its view, procedural fairness would not need to
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Speaker 9: be extended to people in this circumstance. Labor legend and
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Speaker 9: longtime Sky News contributor Graham Richardson has been farewelled at
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Speaker 9: a state funeral in Sydney.
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Speaker 10: No matter how sick, how frail, Dad made the effort
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Speaker 10: to be there for me. While at Graham Richardson, dun
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Speaker 10: Good played strong love your dad and thanks.
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Speaker 11: Had a chat with him earlier on in the year.
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Speaker 11: I asked him what he thought would happen, So you're
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Speaker 11: earn a rombert in son. It was a source of
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Speaker 11: comfort when Graham said that to you. Let me tell
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Speaker 11: you because he was instinctively right.
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Speaker 9: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, our thoughts and prayers tonight are with Amanda
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Speaker 3: Richardson there and the wonderful Darcy and those words were beautiful.
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Speaker 3: Let's go now though to the politics of the day.
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Speaker 3: They joined him in now our political letter to here
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Speaker 3: at Sky Andrew Clanell when it rains to pause Andrews.
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Speaker 3: But at the moment that reigns pretty torrential for Arnaca. Wells,
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Speaker 3: we know about the flights. We know now about this
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Speaker 3: Comca with a meter running while she was in the
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Speaker 3: corporate box at the tennis tickets to Oasis. I mean,
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Speaker 3: how on earth that's work related that I can't fathom
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Speaker 3: that this afternoon we find out that she's referred herself
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Speaker 3: to the Parliamentary Watchdog. Now you and I know why
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Speaker 3: she's done this because it shuts down further questions from
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Speaker 3: people like you in the media.
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Speaker 2: But I tell you what.
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Speaker 3: Ever, since this broke, she would have had people in
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Speaker 3: her office and people from out of the PM's office
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Speaker 3: going through absolutely every bit of paper and they will
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Speaker 3: have only referred her now because they are pretty confident
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Speaker 3: she's going to get a clean bill of health. In
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Speaker 3: any requiring she will be inside the rules. That's the problem.
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Speaker 3: These rules, these guidelines, they are absolutely out of step
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Speaker 3: with the community.
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Speaker 1: They are at a step with the community. They need
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Speaker 1: to chat. There needs to be tight rules around family reunions.
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Speaker 1: You shouldn't be able to have your wife and kids
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Speaker 1: or husband and kids go on business class flights. We're
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Speaker 1: trying to constrain the budget. Government's trying to do that.
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Speaker 1: They need to do that for the inflation problem, for
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Speaker 1: Australia's debt and deficit. But look, I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 1: if she ends up paying some money back Tony Burke
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Speaker 1: had too after the ULARU trip years ago. But this
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Speaker 1: does take it off the table, or at least the
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Speaker 1: government hopes it will. I don't know if it will.
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Speaker 1: I think the timing really is around the social media
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Speaker 1: launch which curves tomorrow with the PM and the Minister,
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Speaker 1: so she has to appear publicly. She hasn't appeared publicly
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Speaker 1: since she was on Sunday Agenda with me for quite
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Speaker 1: the interview, and so she's gone into hiding and now
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Speaker 1: she gets to come out because they can say, oh,
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Speaker 1: we've referred it. But you know, she's very, very heavily
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Speaker 1: damaged out of all this. I mean, people just think
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Speaker 1: she's been taking the piss. You know, three times she
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Speaker 1: left the com car guy waiting there all day while
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Speaker 1: she was having fun. It's as simple as that. It
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Speaker 1: was an RL Grand Final, magic means race day. And
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Speaker 1: what was the other thing. I think you mentioned it,
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Speaker 1: but the three occasions oasis? No, No, it was tennis tennis.
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Speaker 1: You're right, it's tennis straight and open, So that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: The Paris dinner was over the top, you know. The
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Speaker 1: New York flights. Sure, there's a way to get cheaper flights.
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Speaker 1: That's what kicked it all off. Of course, just can
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Speaker 1: I just say a disgrace? Sorry, god, this stuff.
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Speaker 2: This stuff is not hard.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: When I was running Abat's office for six years, he
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Speaker 3: did not put a foot wrong.
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Speaker 2: The rules are pretty clear.
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Speaker 3: You apply the rules, but you also apply a bit
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Speaker 3: of common sense and you go the punters aren't going.
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Speaker 2: To cop that.
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Speaker 3: I know it's inside the rules, but the punters will
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Speaker 3: not cop that. I don't want to answer to an
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Speaker 3: Andrew Clenell or someone else on Sky News over that,
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Speaker 3: So you wouldn't do it? Why I don't understand and
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Speaker 3: I think creep if I'm wrong. It came out of
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Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce and the affair with his staffer. This whole
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Speaker 3: concept of family reunion. Because MPs already get X number
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Speaker 3: of flights for their family to come to Canberra. I
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Speaker 3: think it's something like six or seven for the spouse,
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Speaker 3: three trips for the kids.
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Speaker 2: Let's call it ten.
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Speaker 3: If you've already got ten opportunities to bring your family
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Speaker 3: to Canbra, why do they need his additional ones? Because
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Speaker 3: I tell you what that's stuff today about Don Farrell,
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Speaker 3: he has claimed about one hundred thousand dollars worth of
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Speaker 3: family reunion travel, two hundred publicly funded family reunion flights.
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Speaker 3: These are trips to the tennis mate, these are trips
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Speaker 3: to the AFL. Now, look, the bloke is seventy one
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Speaker 3: years of age, his kids are adults, They've got children
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Speaker 3: of their own. Why on earth are taxpayer is paying
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Speaker 3: for him to ferry his grandchildren and children around. I
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Speaker 3: get the argument, you know, you've got young children and
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Speaker 3: the MP's busy. Why on earth does Farrell get that
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Speaker 3: sort of lurk.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 3: The military guys don't, the five fos don't. Journalists like
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Speaker 3: you don't. I think this is a whole good pointing
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Speaker 3: about family reunion. I think it's the staffers. I think
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Speaker 3: the wholest staffers don't get it. The whole thing should
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Speaker 3: be scrapped. Family reunion should be scrapped.
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Speaker 1: Well, they won't do that, but they should, or they
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Speaker 1: should severely curtail it, or they should have it definitely
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Speaker 1: not business class flights. I mean, it's crazy, isn't it.
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of people my age who've never
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Speaker 1: had a business, never flown business class in their lives.
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Speaker 1: I reckon, I've only done it two or three times
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Speaker 1: in my whole life, so you know. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: concept that you should have an automatic right because you're
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Speaker 1: the spouse or a child of an MP or minister
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Speaker 1: seems mad. I mean, why are politicians, any of them
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Speaker 1: except maybe the Prime Minister and Opposition leader, and I
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Speaker 1: see them in the front there. As to the back, Peter,
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Speaker 1: why are we paying for business class flights from Sydney
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Speaker 1: to Canberra. It's a flight of half an hour.
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Speaker 3: How much they fly costs it's about twelve hundred dollars
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Speaker 3: a throw.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
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Speaker 3: I fight to London for that sort of You can
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Speaker 3: fight to London for that much money.
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Speaker 1: Look, you know, if Albanezy wants to prove he's serious
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Speaker 1: about addressing these budget issues, he can start at home
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Speaker 1: and start with some of these entitlements in the mid
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Speaker 1: year economic statement. Get Jim to do it.
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Speaker 3: If the opposition, if the opposition had some ticket to
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Speaker 3: if the opposition wanted to pretend this isn't just a
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Speaker 3: cozy deal between the two major parties that they don't
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Speaker 3: criticize each other over these sorts of things too, the
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Speaker 3: Liberal Party should go and you know, Susan Lee's got
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Speaker 3: some bad record there of her own. The Liberal Party
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Speaker 3: should go out there tomorrow and say we want family
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Speaker 3: reunion scrapped. If they were serious thing about listening to
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Speaker 3: the community, that's what they would do.
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Speaker 1: The other thing is we've got to stop this situation
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Speaker 1: where someone gets invited to a fortieth birthday party or
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Speaker 1: their son's doing Judo on the Gold Coast, and they
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Speaker 1: then create all these meetings right and say it's an
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Speaker 1: official right. Do you know what I'm going to My
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Speaker 1: mate's forty or fiftieth in Perth. I'm a bit older
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Speaker 1: these days, Peter, Guess what I'm going to pay for it?
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Speaker 1: As to you, you know, we don't expect our employers
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Speaker 1: to pay for it. We certainly don't expect the taxpayer
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Speaker 1: to pay for it.
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Speaker 3: Four hundred thousand dollars too, I mean, she earns four
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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. It's four times what most ordinary Australians
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Speaker 3: are in the idea that she can't put her own
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Speaker 3: hand in her own pocket to.
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Speaker 2: Pay for a flight. Well, I thought about it, rage.
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Speaker 1: I thought about this, and I thought, if she pays
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Speaker 1: for it herself, she goes economy, and if she schedules
21:47
Speaker 1: a couple of meetings, she goes business.
21:50
Speaker 3: True, it's also the cars and the accommodation. Yes, but
21:54
Speaker 3: you're not wrong. You're not wrong, You're not wrong. Well,
21:57
Speaker 3: even there, we'll see whether the opposition tomorrow has listen
21:59
Speaker 3: to us here, and I'm going to pursue them on this.
22:02
Speaker 2: Though.
22:02
Speaker 3: Let me tell you of looking down the camera here
22:04
Speaker 3: at the Liberal Party. If you had any ticker, you
22:06
Speaker 3: would scrap family reunion. This is absolutely outside where the
22:10
Speaker 3: punters are. I'll ove there, Thank you, Andrew. Let's go
22:13
Speaker 3: down to the RBA meeting today, final meeting for the year.
22:17
Speaker 3: We all hope they might have been a cut to
22:18
Speaker 3: mortgage rates a few months back. Well, not only is
22:20
Speaker 3: there no cut the bank today, leaving the cash rate
22:24
Speaker 3: on hold at three point six percent, there's a lot
22:26
Speaker 3: of talk that there will be hikes increases.
22:30
Speaker 2: To mortgage rates in the new year.
22:32
Speaker 3: Joining me our economic advisor at Judo Bank, Warren Hogan, Well,
22:37
Speaker 3: is that speculation right? Give me your take here, Warren,
22:40
Speaker 3: not just obviously on rates being kept on hold today,
22:43
Speaker 3: but with inflation spiking last week, the worry that there
22:47
Speaker 3: could be increases to rates next year.
22:51
Speaker 12: Yeah, good evening, Peter. Look, the story of this economy
22:55
Speaker 12: is one of a recovery that's been building now for
22:59
Speaker 12: six miles. And it was really quite clear that things
23:03
Speaker 12: were looking good, looking a lot better for the private sector,
23:06
Speaker 12: which is great news. But the inflation number we got
23:10
Speaker 12: a month or so ago for the third quarter was high.
23:14
Speaker 12: The RBA sort of tried to play it down a bit.
23:16
Speaker 12: The monthly number the first time we got a monthly
23:18
Speaker 12: number for October was high, and then the activity data
23:21
Speaker 12: in the last month has been really strong. So this
23:24
Speaker 12: economy is actually really starting to pick up some pace.
23:27
Speaker 12: And we've got no wiggle room because they never really
23:30
Speaker 12: hit the economy hard initially, and we didn't slow the
23:33
Speaker 12: economy down a lot, We've got no ability to recover
23:37
Speaker 12: without creating inflation. So we're in a situation now where
23:40
Speaker 12: they've had to now really swing from rate cuts and
23:44
Speaker 12: sort of being constructive on inflation to a situation where
23:48
Speaker 12: we never got inflation to their target and it's now
23:52
Speaker 12: starting to pick up and move away from target. It's
23:55
Speaker 12: actually a disaster for their credibility and hope I'm it's
24:00
Speaker 12: not going to be a disaster for this country because
24:04
Speaker 12: his three shows that once inflation starts to get away
24:06
Speaker 12: from you, you've got to chase it with lots more
24:08
Speaker 12: rate hikes. The governor alluded to that today, but the
24:11
Speaker 12: reality is they could have quite easily hiked today and
24:15
Speaker 12: that's very much what the economy needs, is higher rates.
24:18
Speaker 12: But they signal that they're going to be raising rates
24:20
Speaker 12: next year and probably at their next meeting in February.
24:24
Speaker 3: How people understand that the bank's just got one lever.
24:27
Speaker 3: All it could do is take rates up or down
24:29
Speaker 3: obviously today keep them on hold. But the government has
24:33
Speaker 3: got a whole range of levers. How much is the
24:37
Speaker 3: government's policy? How much is Jim charmers and we know
24:40
Speaker 3: he's obviously made the decision now to cut these rebates
24:43
Speaker 3: off at Christmas time, but all the others spending from government.
24:46
Speaker 3: How much is government contributing to this inflation spike returning?
24:51
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's very significant, and it will be You know what,
24:56
Speaker 12: if we have a real problem next year where they
24:58
Speaker 12: have to raise rates by one hundred or one hundred
25:01
Speaker 12: and fifty basis points and the economy goes into recession,
25:03
Speaker 12: that'll be because the government has increased its spending way
25:07
Speaker 12: too much. We just can't We're not going to know
25:10
Speaker 12: until after the event. But the reality is the spending increases,
25:14
Speaker 12: The recurrent spending is structurally shifted up. It's been going
25:17
Speaker 12: on for a while most eight years, but this last
25:19
Speaker 12: three years they've accelerated it, and that means there's less
25:23
Speaker 12: room in the economy for the private sector to grow.
25:26
Speaker 12: But of course the RBA and others are sayingly, government
25:30
Speaker 12: was spending last year when the economy was soft. Now
25:32
Speaker 12: that the private sectors recovering, they need to pull back.
25:34
Speaker 12: And we've got some tentative evidence of a slow down
25:36
Speaker 12: in government spending in the last National accounts. And I
25:39
Speaker 12: think we're going to see the treasure and not just
25:41
Speaker 12: the energy rebates not being extended. I think then my
25:44
Speaker 12: epodex week will be just all about cut, cut, cut,
25:47
Speaker 12: because he's going to hope that he can pull back
25:48
Speaker 12: spending enough to keep the raid hikes minimized. But it
25:54
Speaker 12: remains to be seen. But there's no doubt because we've
25:55
Speaker 12: had a structural shift up in recurrent spending and it's
25:58
Speaker 12: it's a kind of that doesn't have any spare capacity,
26:02
Speaker 12: and the private sector's got its animal spirits back in
26:04
Speaker 12: now are and seeing investment and consumption coming back. So
26:07
Speaker 12: it's inflationary.
26:09
Speaker 3: Okay, So let me just go to my EFA because
26:11
Speaker 3: you flag my EFA there. Yesterday we heard from the
26:14
Speaker 3: Treasury comes out of the cabinet meeting. He says those
26:17
Speaker 3: energy rebates will end come thirty one of December, and
26:20
Speaker 3: he prefaced you know, we're not going to have a
26:22
Speaker 3: mini budget next week, he says, But there'll be savings,
26:25
Speaker 3: will be taking some difficult decisions. He says he wants
26:29
Speaker 3: to boost productivity, but he says that every single time
26:31
Speaker 3: we don't.
26:31
Speaker 2: See the results.
26:32
Speaker 3: For what are you expecting in my EFO? And yes
26:37
Speaker 3: he talks tough about savings, they never bloody deliver it, warrant,
26:41
Speaker 3: What are we expecting in terms of savings realistically?
26:45
Speaker 2: Do you think?
26:46
Speaker 11: Well?
26:47
Speaker 12: Not much really. I mean, even if some of the
26:49
Speaker 12: things that have been flagged in the media in the
26:51
Speaker 12: last month, right, I mean, seven thousand public service jobs
26:54
Speaker 12: doesn't move the dial on this economy. It's the massive
26:58
Speaker 12: increase in money going into the so called private sector
27:00
Speaker 12: that is the care economy. It's not only been the
27:04
Speaker 12: biggest growth, but it's also most open to inflation. That is,
27:08
Speaker 12: the cost of these programs is getting you know, getting
27:12
Speaker 12: it really expensive and they can't control that. So look,
27:16
Speaker 12: I think they're going to put forward a brange of
27:19
Speaker 12: measures and paint a picture of a responsible government, and
27:21
Speaker 12: it's good that they're trying, but we both know that
27:24
Speaker 12: governments have done this at state and federal level for
27:27
Speaker 12: the last few years, and then in reality, the spending
27:30
Speaker 12: doesn't slow, and it's partly because of inflation and partly
27:32
Speaker 12: because they've only got so much control of these new programs.
27:35
Speaker 12: So look, I think that the political positioning from the
27:39
Speaker 12: treasure is going to be we're doing our bit and
27:41
Speaker 12: flagging all this draconian cuts and all this sort of stuff.
27:45
Speaker 12: But the reality is it's not going to be enough
27:47
Speaker 12: to stop some increase in interest rates. What we're all
27:51
Speaker 12: hoping is that they pull back enough that they interest
27:54
Speaker 12: rate increases will be limited to some extent to where
27:57
Speaker 12: we were before at the start of this year, or
28:00
Speaker 12: maybe a bit higher than that. But the other thing
28:02
Speaker 12: is the Treasurer doesn't federal government doesn't have control of
28:04
Speaker 12: the states, and they're actually also in a big part
28:06
Speaker 12: of this, if not worse than the federal government.
28:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, not wrong.
28:10
Speaker 3: And we look at Victoria today. We have an apology
28:12
Speaker 3: to average Victorians and it comes with one hundred million
28:16
Speaker 3: dollar secret settlements across the board. I'll leave it there, Warren,
28:19
Speaker 3: thank you. That's not much good news is that as
28:21
Speaker 3: you go into Christmas you're buying your presents, you got
28:24
Speaker 3: it all on the credit card, and Larren's talking about
28:26
Speaker 3: rate hikes in the new year. We'll get into the
28:29
Speaker 3: treaty after the break. I want to discuss the legal
28:31
Speaker 3: ramifications from what happened today with the apology and the treaty.
28:35
Speaker 2: Chris Merrick coming up.
28:41
Speaker 3: Welker back orcus full step ahead? What's that actually mean.
28:45
Speaker 3: I'll get to that with Ian Langford shortly, but first today,
28:48
Speaker 3: of course, and I've gone through it.
28:49
Speaker 2: The apology from Justint.
28:51
Speaker 3: To Allen to Victorian Aboriginal people was one of the
28:56
Speaker 3: agreements that was made under the treaty process, and it
28:59
Speaker 3: also followed earlier apologies. Of course, there was the one
29:02
Speaker 3: from Kevin Rudd in two thousand and eight, and more
29:06
Speaker 3: from Victorian labor premiers, and the first one, of course
29:09
Speaker 3: was Just Kennet's apology back in nineteen ninety seven.
29:13
Speaker 2: What's the legal status of all of this?
29:15
Speaker 3: Joining me now? The Australian's Legal Affairs contributed Chris Merritt.
29:19
Speaker 2: Well, we know.
29:20
Speaker 3: These apologies are largely symbolic, but we know the treaties
29:24
Speaker 3: are not. We find out today there's one hundred million
29:27
Speaker 3: dollar settlements that were partly negotigated during the treaty process.
29:32
Speaker 3: Victorians didn't vote for a treaty. In fact, they voted
29:35
Speaker 3: against the voice and anything that looks and sounds like
29:38
Speaker 3: the voice. But they've copied it anyway, here Chris, what
29:42
Speaker 3: are the legal ramifications from here on in? Because with
29:45
Speaker 3: this new Aboriginal body in Victoria, every piece of legislation
29:49
Speaker 3: before the Parliament gets considered by the two houses in
29:53
Speaker 3: the usual way, but if it's Aboriginal related, and everything
29:57
Speaker 3: will be, it'll go to a separate Aboriginal chamber of
30:01
Speaker 3: the Parliament.
30:04
Speaker 13: Well, the implications, in my view of the treaty and
30:08
Speaker 13: the arrangement you've just outlined are all bad for this reason.
30:12
Speaker 13: It puts a full stop to the doctrine of civic equality.
30:17
Speaker 13: And why is that bad? Because it reverses the historic
30:22
Speaker 13: direction of reform in aboriginal affairs. We moved away from
30:28
Speaker 13: race based preferences and towards ever increasing perfection of the
30:34
Speaker 13: concept of civic equality, equality before the law. That's the
30:39
Speaker 13: great victory of the referendum of a couple of years ago.
30:43
Speaker 13: It was a resounding success for the principle of civic
30:47
Speaker 13: equality that we are all citizens of equal status in
30:52
Speaker 13: one country with one sovereignty. By signing this treaty and
30:58
Speaker 13: establishing a different civic status for indigenous Victorians. It marks
31:04
Speaker 13: a reversal. It heads Victoria back towards those dark days
31:09
Speaker 13: of racial preference and civic inequality, and that can only
31:14
Speaker 13: erode public confidence in the democratic state that we've built
31:20
Speaker 13: in this continent over the last two hundred years. You
31:24
Speaker 13: can see that in the address the apology it was
31:30
Speaker 13: completely unbalanced. Yes, terrible things happened in the past, but
31:34
Speaker 13: they happened to all sorts of people. Anybody who's got
31:37
Speaker 13: antecedents who arrived in chains on a convict ship and
31:41
Speaker 13: has looked into what happened to them would accept that
31:45
Speaker 13: there were terrible things done to all sorts of people.
31:48
Speaker 13: But we've moved on from that. We've got responsible government,
31:52
Speaker 13: we've got equality of citizenship, we've got a country now
31:56
Speaker 13: that's the envy of many, and we've got people queued
31:59
Speaker 13: up to try and join us. The last thing we
32:02
Speaker 13: want to do is turn around and go back to
32:05
Speaker 13: the dark days of the past, when race was a
32:09
Speaker 13: determinant of how you stood in society.
32:14
Speaker 2: I make the point that.
32:18
Speaker 3: Just Into Prices herself done so eloquently, it would be
32:24
Speaker 3: very hard to find an Aboriginal Australian today, someone who
32:27
Speaker 3: identifies as being Aboriginal that wouldn't have other race blood
32:32
Speaker 3: in them. That's just the nature of our settlement. And
32:36
Speaker 3: it's sort of pitying one of your ancestors against another.
32:42
Speaker 3: And it says though it creates I guess a preference,
32:48
Speaker 3: but one part of your DNA over another, even if
32:51
Speaker 3: to yourself there has been nothing done, or even to
32:55
Speaker 3: your parents' parents, we're going back two centuries to try
32:59
Speaker 3: and with grievances in the modern world.
33:03
Speaker 13: Look, it's the antithesis of what the people of Australia
33:07
Speaker 13: voted for a couple of years ago. It's the antithesis
33:09
Speaker 13: of a fair go. Race is irrelevant. It's how you
33:13
Speaker 13: conduct yourself. Governments and political parties can try and take
33:20
Speaker 13: a rise out of this by emphasizing race, but the
33:24
Speaker 13: reality is Australians greet each other as they find them.
33:29
Speaker 13: They Race is not the determinant of how you treat
33:33
Speaker 13: your fellow citizen. It's how they conduct themselves. It's just backwards.
33:39
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Higgins case while I've got you,
33:42
Speaker 3: because there's an interesting development today about the bankruptcy case.
33:47
Speaker 3: We know that Brittney Higgins's husband, David Shiraz, has declared
33:50
Speaker 3: himself bankrupt. I don't think they're in that case, Linda
33:55
Speaker 3: Reynolds will see any of the money owed to her.
33:57
Speaker 3: She's obviously had a judgment awarded in her favor against
34:00
Speaker 3: Britney Higgins, and with bankruptcy pending there as well, it
34:04
Speaker 3: doesn't look like she'll see any of that money. Two parts. One,
34:08
Speaker 3: wat's this bankruptcy development today? Are we going to see
34:11
Speaker 3: Brittney Higgins declare ourself bankrupt?
34:13
Speaker 2: Do you think? But Two?
34:15
Speaker 3: I thought she got two and a half million dollars
34:18
Speaker 3: from the taxpayer. I've read some reports that that money
34:22
Speaker 3: can't be touched. I'm not sure if that's true, and
34:26
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it even exists anymore. But what
34:28
Speaker 3: can you tell us there?
34:29
Speaker 13: Chris Well, for get right back to the beginning. I
34:34
Speaker 13: think the lesson out of all of this is that
34:37
Speaker 13: the model litigant rules, which are opposed to govern the
34:43
Speaker 13: way the Commonwealth make settles financial claims against the Commonwealth
34:51
Speaker 13: basically desperately in need of reform. We've been arguing, the
34:56
Speaker 13: Rule of Law Institute has been arguing for years that
35:00
Speaker 13: they need to be enforceable at law and not simply
35:04
Speaker 13: guidelines that the attorney General who happens to her in
35:08
Speaker 13: office at the time can simply ride roughshot over them
35:11
Speaker 13: or change them and introduce different rules. That's point number one,
35:20
Speaker 13: the bankruptcy maneuvering. I don't think it's that dramatic. I
35:24
Speaker 13: think what it amounts to is good manners on the
35:28
Speaker 13: part of Linda Reynolds lawyers. Instead of racing up to
35:34
Speaker 13: her in a public place and causing her embarrassment by
35:37
Speaker 13: serving legal documents on her, they're seeking what's known as
35:43
Speaker 13: substituted service with the approval of a court, so that
35:48
Speaker 13: the bankruptcy papers can be served by Linda Reynolds lawyers
35:54
Speaker 13: on Britney Higgins lawyers without the embarrassment that could take
35:59
Speaker 13: place of her were otherwise. So I see it as
36:02
Speaker 13: a procedural step. If this goes ahead, I wouldn't write
36:08
Speaker 13: off the fact that Linda Reynolds could manage to claw
36:11
Speaker 13: back some of the money she's owed the trustee in bankruptcy.
36:17
Speaker 13: When that trustee is appointed, we'll have control over Britney Higgins'
36:23
Speaker 13: finances and anything she earns could be distributed distributed to
36:30
Speaker 13: Miss Reynolds in part. So I wouldn't write it off.
36:34
Speaker 13: I'd say that the fate of that two point four
36:37
Speaker 13: million is not decided yet.
36:40
Speaker 3: We will watch it with interest in so saga that
36:42
Speaker 3: keeps on going, doesn't that? Chris Merritt, thank you all.
36:45
Speaker 3: Right after the break, they're calling them death phones. These
36:49
Speaker 3: are the Samsung and older iPhones that blocked you from
36:53
Speaker 3: calling Chiple zero. That's next, we'll go back. We've got
37:00
Speaker 3: a panel coming up shortly. But before we get to
37:02
Speaker 3: the panel, I've just concluded the annual osmin talks. That's
37:06
Speaker 3: Australia and the United States Defense foreign ministers and counterparts.
37:11
Speaker 3: It's obviously been held in Washington. They have concluded, and
37:14
Speaker 3: here to talk us through it. Security and defense expert,
37:17
Speaker 3: former military man in Langford in thank you. You know
37:22
Speaker 3: a lot of chatter around in the media pages I
37:24
Speaker 3: was looking at today that the Trump review into Aucust,
37:28
Speaker 3: just like the United Kingdom's review into August, is being
37:32
Speaker 3: kept secret. So the details not out there. Octually, don't
37:35
Speaker 3: find that surprising. You know, China would trawl through it
37:38
Speaker 3: if it was out there. What is I guess most
37:41
Speaker 3: material is that it has the full endorsement of President Trump.
37:46
Speaker 3: That was a bit of a concern a few months ago,
37:48
Speaker 3: but they couldn't have been more fulsome in their support
37:51
Speaker 3: today out of the United States. So what was your
37:54
Speaker 3: key takeaway today?
37:57
Speaker 4: Thanks Peter, great to be here and good evening to
37:59
Speaker 4: your viewers. I think, as you indicate, the endorsement of
38:02
Speaker 4: the US President is the most significant aspect of UCUS
38:05
Speaker 4: as it currently sits in the execution phase of the
38:09
Speaker 4: delivery of US Virginia class submarines in the intim and
38:13
Speaker 4: then on our way to an sc and Aucers class
38:15
Speaker 4: built between Australia and the UK. So having Donald Trump
38:18
Speaker 4: support is the strategic component of where we currently sit
38:22
Speaker 4: in terms of Australia and having more public discourse around AUCUS.
38:28
Speaker 4: I think social license is frankly the biggest risk to
38:31
Speaker 4: the program. It's one thing to keep sensitive, really important
38:35
Speaker 4: information as it relates to national security, and we need
38:38
Speaker 4: to be diligent about that. We have obligations under the
38:40
Speaker 4: Five Eyes Intelligence Sharing Arrangement and with sensitive capabilities such
38:44
Speaker 4: as submarines, there's an obligation to do so. But at
38:47
Speaker 4: the end of the day, it is the Australian taxpayer
38:49
Speaker 4: that is underwriting this program. There has to be a
38:51
Speaker 4: public debate around these technologies and one of the concerns
38:55
Speaker 4: when you don't give a public discourse around arrangements such
39:00
Speaker 4: what we've seen at ORCUS is that it gives oxygen
39:03
Speaker 4: to those who are anti ORCUS to use misinformation, to
39:07
Speaker 4: be very slippery with the facts, and we've seen that
39:09
Speaker 4: with the Australian Greens and the last couple of Senate
39:12
Speaker 4: Estimates committees, and so there needs to be a public conversation.
39:16
Speaker 4: There needs to be social license around UCUS, and I
39:18
Speaker 4: think in the context of where we currently see, it's
39:21
Speaker 4: one thing to have the US president and the UK's approval,
39:24
Speaker 4: it's another to have the approval of the Australian taxpayer,
39:26
Speaker 4: and that is a contract that needs to be continually
39:28
Speaker 4: updated and refreshed.
39:31
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have said you had that though in
39:32
Speaker 3: all the polling I've seen and certainly the public commentary,
39:35
Speaker 3: I think Australians actually understand. I mean, they're much more
39:41
Speaker 3: sanguine and realistic about the Chinese relationship than perhaps the
39:44
Speaker 3: Prime Minister is. He's all Chinese upside, and they're seeing
39:48
Speaker 3: what's happened in terms of cybersecurity and the risk and
39:50
Speaker 3: the South China see and attacks on our military. So
39:54
Speaker 3: I do think Australians are with us on ORCUS.
39:58
Speaker 4: That's true, and there is very high levels of public
40:01
Speaker 4: support as you indicate, but this program is executed across
40:05
Speaker 4: multiple decades. We've got issues.
40:07
Speaker 2: Around the regular tree point.
40:10
Speaker 4: Regulatary framework as it relates to the home basing of
40:15
Speaker 4: those technologies. We're going to have a debate over the
40:19
Speaker 4: mid twenty thirties around how we permanently base these capabilities
40:23
Speaker 4: to include potentially a filip based eat, and again there
40:26
Speaker 4: will be a lot of public discourse around those that
40:28
Speaker 4: are willing to host those technologies in areas that have
40:31
Speaker 4: traditionally been very out in nuclear So I think again
40:34
Speaker 4: having that conversation constantly with the Australian taxpay is really important.
40:38
Speaker 4: But again I do agree with you there is strong
40:41
Speaker 4: levels of support in relation to the pacing threat in
40:44
Speaker 4: East and orth Asia, which is China. And you know,
40:47
Speaker 4: in one instance the Chinese are allowed to modernize their
40:50
Speaker 4: nuclear arsenal and give no explanation and in the other
40:53
Speaker 4: we're doing our best. So I think to have a
40:55
Speaker 4: public conversation around our own deterek capabilities, including nuclear powers marines,
41:00
Speaker 4: which absolutely makes sense given the deteriorating strategic circumstances that
41:04
Speaker 4: we're currently in.
41:06
Speaker 3: I'm conscious you are in London and I saw the
41:08
Speaker 3: footage out of Downing Street this morning and there was
41:11
Speaker 3: a meeting obviously with the European leaders. Kirst Arma hosted it.
41:15
Speaker 3: Vodim Zelenski. Was there a lot of speculation that Trump
41:19
Speaker 3: is going to turn the screws on funding for the
41:22
Speaker 3: war in Ukraine. I have to say I'm pretty uncomfortable
41:25
Speaker 3: with where Trump is on these and his apparent willingness
41:30
Speaker 3: to give in and particularly to give away Ukrainian territory
41:34
Speaker 3: to putin.
41:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
41:36
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'm talking to colleagues here in the UK on
41:39
Speaker 4: that very important topic. You know, it is clear the
41:43
Speaker 4: Europeans have realized that they need more of a leadership
41:45
Speaker 4: role at this phase in the war. They need to
41:48
Speaker 4: assert Ukrainian national interests in the context of what's in
41:52
Speaker 4: European interests. And I think the idea that we can
41:55
Speaker 4: be so forgiving of Russia's aggression, that we can seek
42:00
Speaker 4: to appease and accommodate an outcome where Ukraine potentially loses
42:03
Speaker 4: a quarter of its territory and a situation where many
42:07
Speaker 4: of these issues remain unresolved and they're actually geographically agnostic.
42:11
Speaker 4: Today it could be Ukraine, Tomorrow, it could be Poland,
42:14
Speaker 4: it could be a member of NATO, and we find
42:15
Speaker 4: ourselves in a very distinct and dangerous phase of this
42:19
Speaker 4: conflict should that happen. You only need to talk to Finland,
42:22
Speaker 4: for example, to understand during the Winter War of the
42:25
Speaker 4: mid twentieth century of what happens when you go to
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Speaker 4: war with Russia. You lose forty percent of your territory,
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Speaker 4: and again you don't seek the terms of and enduring
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Speaker 4: peace that allow you to asserit your own sovereignty against
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Speaker 4: an aggressor which is not going away and indeed becoming
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Speaker 4: more aggressive. So the Europeans have a leadership opportunity. The
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Speaker 4: UK and France and Germany in particular have to step
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Speaker 4: up and support the Ukrainians. And that's in the context
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Speaker 4: of the US transactionalism which we're seeing as we go
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Speaker 4: through the negotiating phase of this current conflict. But we've
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Speaker 4: also noticed that in the updated National Security Strategy which
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Speaker 4: they just issued, and there are aspects of that NSS
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Speaker 4: that Australian needs to pay very close attention to as
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Speaker 4: conflict and competition moves or gain to Eastern North Asia.
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Speaker 3: Got a lot to worry about. I'll leave it there
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Speaker 3: in lank Thank you. After the break. Royal Melbourne Hospital, sorry,
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Speaker 3: the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne bases questions over the
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Speaker 3: treatment of children with gender dysphoria.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Let's pick up the news this morning.
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Speaker 3: Two indigenous groups have been awarded about one hundred million
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Speaker 3: dollars in new suliuan packages. This is paid for by
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Speaker 3: Victorian taxpayers as part of the treaty negotiations. It's only
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Speaker 3: just come to light because of FOI joining me now
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Speaker 3: on my panel former Liberal and p Nicole Flint political
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Speaker 3: advisor and author at The Spectator, Terry Barnes Well, Nicole
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Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars. There's no evidence this is going
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Speaker 3: to improve any lives of Indigenous people. I think it's
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Speaker 3: just few the compensation industry, and I have to say
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Speaker 3: the whole Aboriginal grievance economy.
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Speaker 10: Well, Victorians have yet another reason to vote out this
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Speaker 10: appallingly bad labor government.
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Speaker 2: Peter.
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Speaker 10: With such an extraordinary amount of money wasted, I think
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Speaker 10: it's wasted during this cost of living crisis, and also
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Speaker 10: with Victoria as the state with the most debt in
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Speaker 10: the nation, and with Victorian state debt forecast to grow
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Speaker 10: to over two hundred gross debt to grow to over
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Speaker 10: two hundred billion dollars with interest payments of ten billion.
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Speaker 10: So you can see why those numbers are so large
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Speaker 10: when you learn about extraordinary decisions like this. Peter, it's
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Speaker 10: time for a change, Terry.
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Speaker 3: What about the news that we got from Victorian Senator
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Speaker 3: Sarah Henderson last week?
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Speaker 2: It came out of estimates. There are a whole lot.
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Speaker 3: Of Samsung Phone an older iPhones, but even if you
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Speaker 3: wanted to, even if you can get service, you couldn't
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Speaker 3: call triple zero on them. They admitted in estimates the
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Speaker 3: death of one Sydney man.
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Speaker 2: Well, we now find from.
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Speaker 3: TPG they've confirmed there has been a second death in
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Speaker 3: relation to this outage. The government switched off the three
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Speaker 3: G network. They knew this was an issue all the
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Speaker 3: way along, all the way along, and yet it's cost lives.
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Speaker 6: Actually they switched off the three G network.
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Speaker 2: I think it was the end of October.
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Speaker 6: Twenty twenty four, so over a year ago, and certainly
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Speaker 6: the Australian Communications Media Authority, the Telecommunications Ombudsman and others
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Speaker 6: made website announcements but there was no public information campaign
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Speaker 6: for the half a million odd it's been estimated devices
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Speaker 6: and phones that have been affected by this, their owners
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Speaker 6: probably still don't know. I mean, governments do information camp plains,
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Speaker 6: media campaigns that drop of a hat, but when they
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Speaker 6: actually need to where is it.
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Speaker 3: Maybe some of the money that an Attika Wells spends
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Speaker 3: at the pointing end of the plane can go into
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Speaker 3: something worthwhile like this. The Royal Children's in Melbourne Nicole
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Speaker 3: facing allegations it's breached legal duties in relation to treating
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Speaker 3: children with gender dysphoria.
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Speaker 10: The treatment that has been given to vuneral children that
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Speaker 10: has caused and quite possibly is still causing irreversible damage
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Speaker 10: to their bodies is the great medical scandal of our time.
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Speaker 10: It's a failure of our health system, of our medical
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Speaker 10: practitioners who have allowed this to happen, and it's a
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Speaker 10: failure of government decision makers.
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Speaker 2: Peter.
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Speaker 10: We have not seen the courage from people who have
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Speaker 10: the power to actually stop this treatment to do so,
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Speaker 10: and I just my heart breaks for these kids, many
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Speaker 10: of whom we'll wake up in one, two, five, ten,
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Speaker 10: maybe twenty years time and rightly demand to know how
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Speaker 10: this was allowed to be happened. How this was allowed
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Speaker 10: to happen and cause irreversible, irreparable damage to their bodies
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Speaker 10: and lifelong medical issues. It is a tragedy and it
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Speaker 10: is a disgrace.
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Speaker 2: I'll say this one again, Terry.
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Speaker 3: We spend sixteen billion dollars a year as taxpayers on childcare,
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Speaker 3: sixteen billion dollars. But it's a system that is built
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Speaker 3: only on that. The childcare provided by unionized and for
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Speaker 3: profit basically most of them commercial childcare centers. We know
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Speaker 3: about the recent cases of pedophiles operating in these centers,
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Speaker 3: one of them the Melbourne one, Joshua Brown. He's copped
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Speaker 3: another eighty three chargers, four more alleged victims, another eight
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Speaker 3: hundred kids having to be tested. The monster out of
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Speaker 3: New South Wales. He's convicted. Actually, Paul Griffith's reports yesterday
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Speaker 3: that he could have been stopped. My issue here is
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Speaker 3: there is not enough being done state or federally to
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Speaker 3: lift the protection for children. We talked about it a
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Speaker 3: lot a couple of months ago, and now the world's
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Speaker 3: moved on and none of these governments are under pressure.
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Speaker 3: And I'd argue because the ALP who loves the institutionalized
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Speaker 3: childcare sector. They want this story to go away.
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Speaker 6: I think we'd all love this story to go away.
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Speaker 6: But it can't, Peter, it absolutely can't. I mean, as parents,
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Speaker 6: you need to be confident that your kids are safe.
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Speaker 6: I mean, this is my Victorian working with Children card.
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Speaker 6: It's supposed to say that I am safe to be
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Speaker 6: around children. It's supposed to say that the man who
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Speaker 6: has been charged is safe to be around children. But
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Speaker 6: frankly it's useless. I might as well give it away
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Speaker 6: because it is absolutely a total mess of a system
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Speaker 6: where the system actually doesn't do anything. Certainly, when you
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Speaker 6: hear about these allegations, and they are still allegations, we
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Speaker 6: have to actually wonder how this type of thing can
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Speaker 6: actually get through the system, get through the checks, get
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Speaker 6: through the authorities, get through the employers. If it's the
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Speaker 6: unions that are actually holding it back, then the unions
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Speaker 6: have to be accountable, just as the government or the
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Speaker 6: law enforcement or anybody else's.
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Speaker 2: Nicole.
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Speaker 3: You're making news in South Australia, plenty of activity on
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Speaker 3: your social media as well. You've taken on the Premier
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Speaker 3: Peter blanowskis over potholes.
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Speaker 2: We might have some pictures there.
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Speaker 3: You've certainly been out in your pink gear in the paddocks,
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Speaker 3: on the roads all around the local area.
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Speaker 2: You've had enough, haven't you. I'm sure I have, Peter.
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Speaker 10: This is it's actually a very serious issue for South Australia.
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Speaker 10: But as I'm learning on social media, potholes are terrible
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Speaker 10: in Victoria, in New South Wales as well. So this
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Speaker 10: is all about genuine road safety. I have never seen
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Speaker 10: our country roads in South Australia more dangerous now. People
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Speaker 10: are losing wheels, having accidents. It is incredibly dangerous if
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Speaker 10: you're a motorbike and so I'm just drawing attention to
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Speaker 10: labors what nineteen years of state labor has done to
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Speaker 10: our country roads. It's unacceptable and so pot old Pete
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Speaker 10: and his pandemic. I will continue to fight to have
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Speaker 10: our roads fixed.
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Speaker 2: Right, I'll leave it then. Nicyle Flint is on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 3: It's very entertaining. It is a serious topic, but it
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Speaker 3: is very entertaining. Thank you to you both, see you
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Speaker 3: next week. That's it for me, Thanks for your company.
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Speaker 3: Andrew's up next.