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Gordie Chiesa on the Utah Jazz and the NBA, Regular season restarting post All Star break, Tanking the NBA's biggest problem (?) + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace ound.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk, stay for its list of
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  Speaker 2: the day, the list today, here's oc with basketball sob
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  Speaker 2: on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 4: Gordy, welcome, How are you.
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  Speaker 1: Sir showing I'm doing well? Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get to any basketball discussion, James and I
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  Speaker 3: are trying to decide. We're trying to decide of the
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  Speaker 3: winter Olympic gold medals, which is the most prestigious. We
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  Speaker 3: decided that in the summer Games, you know, fastest man,
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  Speaker 3: fastest woman on the planet, that's probably up there, maybe
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  Speaker 3: gymnastics all around. In the Winter Olympics, is there a
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  Speaker 3: gold medal that stands out above all others?
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  Speaker 1: Hockey?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, that's what hockey?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, because the team's sport you mentioned for
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  Speaker 5: I said you could have coming in is that all
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  Speaker 5: these other sports they're individual and most people unless you're
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  Speaker 5: officiato of that sport, don't understand totally of it. Sure,
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  Speaker 5: but in some Olympics they absolutely do. Also in the
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  Speaker 5: some Olympics, besides, the fastest person in the world, male
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  Speaker 5: or female is also the marathon, yeah, like who wins
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  Speaker 5: the marathon? And the swimming, like who's the fastest swimmers
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  Speaker 5: in the world, only different event because everyone can basically
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  Speaker 5: can swim or tried to swim. And so that's why
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  Speaker 5: it's more really more easy to relate to.
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  Speaker 4: Love some Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: Still zero zero by the way, in the women's hockey
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  Speaker 3: gold medal game between USA and Canada.
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  Speaker 4: All right, we've.
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  Speaker 5: Shown also a long time ago, in nineteen eighteen was
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  Speaker 5: when the miracle on ice. Yes, that was when really
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  Speaker 5: again America's consciousness understood about the Olympics. Again, it was
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  Speaker 5: people forget that they beat the Russia. It was they
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  Speaker 5: beat Russia. USA beat Russia to college players beat the
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  Speaker 5: professional team of Russia basically nineteen eighty and then he
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  Speaker 5: had to beat Sweden to win the goal. So that
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  Speaker 5: was I was at the semi finals to beat Russia.
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  Speaker 3: And that was such an interesting time where I mean,
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  Speaker 3: obviously the same thing is happening at these Milan Olympics
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  Speaker 3: where the game is played, and then if you want,
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  Speaker 3: you could watch the primetime replay of it or whatever.
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  Speaker 4: That that huge upset.
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  Speaker 3: Victory no one in the United States saw till the
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  Speaker 3: next day.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, that's correct, yes, and the heroics.
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  Speaker 3: Had already unfolded, and then whatever it was twenty hours later,
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  Speaker 3: it became a thing in the United States of America.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously Cold War tensions all those times ruing the
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's well documented. There's a feature film about it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's one of those things it's like a rewatchable movie, Gordy,
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  Speaker 3: where you hear that story, you read something about that
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  Speaker 3: miracle team and even though you already know it. You
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  Speaker 3: want to hear it again, you want to read it again,
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  Speaker 3: you want to listen to it again very much.
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  Speaker 5: It's hard to believe for the younger listeners right now,
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  Speaker 5: is that showings alluding to that game was shown it
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  Speaker 5: half a day later. Only second to the NBA when
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  Speaker 5: the when NBA founs in nineteen eighty, where it weren't
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  Speaker 5: shown life. So the classic game in nineteen eighty game
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  Speaker 5: six where young rookie Irvin Magic Johnson was playing center
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  Speaker 5: because Kream Abdul Jabbar or the Lakers had a sprained
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  Speaker 5: ankle and they're playing against the Philadelphia seventy six is
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  Speaker 5: And at that time it was CBS Sports doing the NBA.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't want to cut into the local eleven o'clock
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  Speaker 5: news because of the revenue, so they waited until the
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  Speaker 5: game was over and then delayed for literally three hours
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  Speaker 5: to show at eleven thirty at night back East. So
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  Speaker 5: everyone knew who won the game, but it wasn't shown.
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  Speaker 5: That's how much advanced technology we have now now it's
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  Speaker 5: every game is shown absolutely live and everybody knows the
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  Speaker 5: score as the second's going on each day.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Only one returning player from that on that nineteen eighty roster.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, in nineteen seventy six, Buz Schneider was
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  Speaker 3: on the team. He was the only guy who came back.
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  Speaker 3: It was all these young kids. Go watch the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Just refresh yourself.
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  Speaker 4: It was awesome. All right, let's get into some NBA
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  Speaker 4: hoops right now.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this on Tuesday with the NBA All
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  Speaker 3: Star weekend. Now in the rearview, there's a renewed focus.
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  Speaker 3: There might be some adjustments on your plans with your
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  Speaker 3: roster or your your practice schedule, whatever, how do you
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  Speaker 3: manage the end of the season, specifically if you're the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz.
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  Speaker 5: Gordy Well for the Jazz right now hits some priorities
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  Speaker 5: as far as both on the court and also as
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  Speaker 5: far as management is trying to see how it plays out.
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  Speaker 5: One they've got it from on the court. They've got
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  Speaker 5: to improve their defensive accountability as they go forward. So
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  Speaker 5: the last twenty six games of the season focusing on
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  Speaker 5: defense and besides technique, but also accountability. The second thing,
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  Speaker 5: and that starts with also on ball defense.
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  Speaker 1: One on one.
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  Speaker 5: Part of that defensively improvement challenging three point line. The
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  Speaker 5: third part of that would be transition d It starts
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  Speaker 5: with shot selection and it also is involved with live
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  Speaker 5: ball turnovers. Jazz can improve their defense the last twenty
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  Speaker 5: six games to go forward for next season because next
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  Speaker 5: year the Jazz have some good players on their roster
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  Speaker 5: right now, and with Jaron Jackson and Walkom Kescomb back
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  Speaker 5: next year, if the Jazz do re sign him, he's
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  Speaker 5: a secret free agent right now, the Jazz will be
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  Speaker 5: right there. As far as you know, Batlan fighting minimum
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  Speaker 5: showing to get into the playing tournament, if not into
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs, it's possible. Next part about that play acepally
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  Speaker 5: through his game errors. He's one of the friend the
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  Speaker 5: franchise foundational pieces. He's only nineteen years old. So the
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  Speaker 5: ACE has a few bad plays, keep playing and you
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  Speaker 5: might take him out for a minute or two, try
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  Speaker 5: to counsel him, but put him back in the game
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  Speaker 5: because that guy has got talent. Also, next to the
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  Speaker 5: next part of that, on the court, be conscious of
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  Speaker 5: pairing Isaiah Collier and Canty George together all right, as
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  Speaker 5: far as floor minutes. So Caante is a guard. He
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  Speaker 5: can score the ball and he can pass it, and
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  Speaker 5: he's he's a tremendous talent and Isaiah Khalia is a
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  Speaker 5: pass happy point guard. So try to make them besties
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  Speaker 5: where both of them are playing together and locks up
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  Speaker 5: be some of the game, and then keep developing the bench.
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  Speaker 5: Bryce Sensiba, Vince Williams and Kyle Philipowski. Those guys are
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  Speaker 5: bench contributors, So try to play them as a unit
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  Speaker 5: so they get used to playing whoever's on the team
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  Speaker 5: next year. Those three guys, their contracts are absolutely a
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  Speaker 5: team friendly and the old they all value, and their
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  Speaker 5: value is coming off the bench goes.
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  Speaker 1: All three have a certain skill that they have.
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  Speaker 5: So for example, Philipowski, that guy hustles, he plays hard.
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  Speaker 5: Bryce sensiball when he has the ball, if you have
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  Speaker 5: a good feeling he's this year. This is this team's
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  Speaker 5: generation right now of Jordan Clarkson, he can score the ball.
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  Speaker 5: And Vince Williams he's like a utility guy almost like
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  Speaker 5: Joe as type without the jump shot though right now,
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  Speaker 5: but as far as versatility of passing it, So that
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  Speaker 5: should be the Jazz highest priorities right now. And if
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  Speaker 5: you do that, they're going to improve next season by
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  Speaker 5: getting ready for it. The less one third of the season.
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  Speaker 5: They want to protect their pick this year, absolutely, so
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  Speaker 5: they want to go from they want to finish eight
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  Speaker 5: or lower.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So with that in mind, and that oddly, strangely
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  Speaker 3: has to be kind of your number one priority even
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  Speaker 3: as you're trying to do all this other stuff, you
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  Speaker 3: simply cannot afford to give that pick away, especially because
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  Speaker 3: it would convey to Oklahoma City, who's already going to
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  Speaker 3: be a problem for you for the foreseeable future. So
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  Speaker 3: how delicate is the balance of trying to do all
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  Speaker 3: the things that you just described while also you know,
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  Speaker 3: losing games in a gentlemanly fashion.
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  Speaker 1: Very delicate.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, So the tempo of the game, the rhythm, the
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  Speaker 5: flow of the contests, that's when you have to decide
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  Speaker 5: by instincts by taking someone out or putting someone in
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  Speaker 5: that you want to be competitive, but you really want
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  Speaker 5: to protect that pick. And so that's just going to
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  Speaker 5: be interesting. How do you do it by people very
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  Speaker 5: conscious on the sideline addressing the head coach that think
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  Speaker 5: about taking so and so out or putting so and
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  Speaker 5: so in. I have a real problem with the NBA
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  Speaker 5: of finding the jazz five hundred thousand dollars you know,
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  Speaker 5: I was done last week because the teams right now,
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  Speaker 5: every team is going through it that's trying to stay
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  Speaker 5: in the lottery. We mentioned here's the teams. There's eight
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  Speaker 5: teams and maybe in nineteen Wizards, Pacers, Nets, Grizzlies, MAVs, Jazz, Pelicans,
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  Speaker 5: and Kings and.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe the Bucks.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe the Bucks could because if Joannis all nine of
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  Speaker 5: those teams, they're trying to stay in the lottery and
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  Speaker 5: improve their chances of getting high draft picks. That's the
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  Speaker 5: balancing act right now. And you mentioned for about you
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  Speaker 5: mentioned their day Sean, you and I about Mark Cuban
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  Speaker 5: where he said that he has no problem with the
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  Speaker 5: team quote the expression is tanking. And it's ironically because
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  Speaker 5: you know the Maps right now, Mark Cuban still owns
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  Speaker 5: the Maps of twenty seven cent interests. He sold the
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  Speaker 5: rest of it to to the to the to the
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  Speaker 5: family that owns Casarac Casino Corporation worldwide. And so the
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  Speaker 5: Maps right now have lost nine in a row, and
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  Speaker 5: the Kings shown have lost fourteen games in a row.
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  Speaker 3: And they just shut down Levigne and sabonass with real injuries.
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  Speaker 4: With injuries, surgeries.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, they have so your two best players, two
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  Speaker 3: highest paid players are shut down, correct Kings, and so they.
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  Speaker 5: The Kings right now, they're they're they're very conscious of
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  Speaker 5: right now the draft and this draft should be very deep.
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  Speaker 5: Who's the best guy in the draft, will I'll take
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  Speaker 5: it about three years from now when they're in the NBA.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean that that's it makes sense.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's really the truth. For example, Cooper Flegg last
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  Speaker 5: year was by far the number one player in the
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  Speaker 5: in the draft. Okay, so now he goes to the
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  Speaker 5: Dallas Mavericks. I know Cyrie Irving, who's an All Star player,
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  Speaker 5: didn't play the whole season, but Cooper Flagg and if
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  Speaker 5: he asks him right now, truth serum, he can't believe
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  Speaker 5: how good the other guys in the NBA are, even
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  Speaker 5: though he knows about it his whole thing. He can't
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  Speaker 5: believe it how good the other guys are. And that's
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  Speaker 5: what happens. It's who you play against. So in Jazz basketball,
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  Speaker 5: long term, that the Jazz have a tough division.
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  Speaker 1: The Jazz right now are one and non divisional play.
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  Speaker 5: So here's the question showing just philosophically that the Jazz
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  Speaker 5: have to find somebody for the next on their roster
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  Speaker 5: right now, but also if not trade or developed to
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  Speaker 5: play against Nikolai Jokic for the next will say four
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  Speaker 5: years when Yoks is prime, and that the Jazz have
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  Speaker 5: to find somebody that could god Jamal Murray in his
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  Speaker 5: prime t wolfs. Okay, here's quest philosophically, can Ace Bailly
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  Speaker 5: slow down the TiVos perimeter guys as far as in
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  Speaker 5: the game, meaning Anthony Edwards because that's the same age group, Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: twenty something, And so the answer is the Jazz they're
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  Speaker 5: hopeful that Ace can, but if not, they have to
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  Speaker 5: get someone else to help that. Maybe it's Vince Williams
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  Speaker 5: for eleven minutes in that game to try to slow
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  Speaker 5: him down, but that it's who you play against in
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  Speaker 5: the NBA. It's not we're going to get better our team.
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  Speaker 5: That's true, but you have to understand that the other
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  Speaker 5: guys might not cooperate.
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  Speaker 3: When you start framing the conversation about Jazz improvement in
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  Speaker 3: that way. That's where it gets so sobering to know that, like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 3: you've got a really nice thing going on. You just
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  Speaker 3: you just acquired a defensive mind at All Star, Right,
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  Speaker 3: you have these these nice little pieces, and then you
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  Speaker 3: look around at what other teams have and the superstar
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  Speaker 3: talent that other teams have, and it gets dicey, gets terrifying.
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  Speaker 5: So, for example, with Jaron Jackson off the surgery next seat,
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  Speaker 5: he's a good player, all right, So the question is
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  Speaker 5: can he slow down Victor Wembyamber? The Jets played him
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  Speaker 5: four times a year? Can he can he slow him
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  Speaker 5: down and outplay him both on defense and offense three
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  Speaker 5: or four times?
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  Speaker 1: That's the question philosophically, asking that.
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  Speaker 3: About Victor Webbin Yama, it's like makes you want to
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  Speaker 3: throw your hands up and said, well, no, that's you can't.
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  Speaker 4: But that's that's not an option.
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  Speaker 5: In this is not an option exactly right, whether it's
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  Speaker 5: individual one on one prideful defense or yourself offensively scoring
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  Speaker 5: the ball where you're really your aggressor that night against
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  Speaker 5: wen Beyamber. And then also schematically and if you're struggling
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  Speaker 5: that game, can you trusted sidekick on the court, can
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  Speaker 5: he outplay his position to give his give you organized
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  Speaker 5: help so that we as a group, we as a
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  Speaker 5: front court, we as a backcourt, we all played that
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  Speaker 5: team on the road and we beat him by one
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  Speaker 5: and that's all it matters. I always say for decades,
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  Speaker 5: kill him by one. Because you won the game, you
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  Speaker 5: move on. So it's way beyond just one player. You
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  Speaker 5: need trusted sidekicks to help you be successful.
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  Speaker 4: Zero zero.
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  Speaker 3: At the first intermission, USA VERSUS Canada and the gold
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  Speaker 3: medal game, the USA will start the second period with
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  Speaker 3: about a minute forty five of a power play, so
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  Speaker 3: advantage to begin the second period for Team USA.
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  Speaker 1: Gordy Seun.
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  Speaker 5: But I have a thing about the you and I
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  Speaker 5: talked about it in depth the other day. But I
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  Speaker 5: thought about this and I read it online, so it's
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  Speaker 5: not original, but I added to it, where how can
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  Speaker 5: the viewership was great for the All Star Weekend by NBC.
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  Speaker 5: It was the best numbers since fifteen years ago, so
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  Speaker 5: it's good, yes, So how can they make it even better?
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  Speaker 5: And a potential one on one tournament or two on
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  Speaker 5: two tournament? So I had the liberty where I have
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  Speaker 5: my own ESPN seven hundred led by yours truly, Sean
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  Speaker 5: O'Connell and also Jane, He's Peterson. This is our potential
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  Speaker 5: tournament for the NBA two on two because most one
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  Speaker 5: on one players in the All Star they don't want
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  Speaker 5: to be embarrassed with soon and beat them.
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  Speaker 3: But this is two and two, Okay, that's what's coming.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna take a quick break. Gordy's gonna come back.
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  Speaker 3: He's giving us his two on two matchups to improve
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  Speaker 3: NBA All Star Weekend, and if one of those matchups
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  Speaker 3: is not me and Gordy, I'm gonna be really upset.
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  Speaker 3: Shan O'Connell Show with Gordy Chiasa. We got them for
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  Speaker 4: Gordya chas here in studio with.
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  Speaker 3: US USA Canada gold medal game and the women's hockey
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  Speaker 3: situation still zero zero after one USA starts period number
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  Speaker 3: two on the power Play, Gordy Chiasa. We did talk
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  Speaker 3: on Tuesday about the improved NBA All Star Weekend, the
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  Speaker 3: different format, certain players forcing some buy in from everyone else.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone being competitive.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna get to more of that in the hot
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  Speaker 3: I did offer to share some with Gordia. Okay, I
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  Speaker 3: would not be so impolite as to just make Gordy
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  Speaker 3: stand here to smell this delicious food without eating any Right, CORDI,
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  Speaker 3: you can co sign that at least I offered.
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  Speaker 1: Oh very much. I do appreciate the offer, but thank you.
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  Speaker 3: But Gordy's a man of refined taste and he's not
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  Speaker 3: gonna he's not gonna have fries right after his breakfast.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Gordy, the improved NBA All Star Weekend, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's safe to call it. That is not a
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  Speaker 3: finished product by any means. The NBA still wants to
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  Speaker 3: see what else they could add to draw viewers, draw interests,
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  Speaker 3: spark new viewers, and interest at a one on one
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: or two on two tournament has been one of the
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: things proposed. First of all, what do you think.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Of this great idea? Players love it and it'll be
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: very highly competitive. So here's what I thought about no tea.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Here's some of the just the criteria. No teammates play together,
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: so you can't play. For example, Jamal Murray and Nikolai
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Jogicch couldn't play as a pair in the In the
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: two on two tournament, each play each player has to
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: be from the East and a Western conference, So two
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: guys from the same conference could not play, so you're
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: playing with someone from a different conference, and that you
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: would pad together perimeter guys with one big guy slash stretch. So,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: for example, the simplified a person that's a point guard,
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: two guard, wing or say small forward. The other pairent
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: would be a player that would be we'll call them
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: a stretch out side player meaning big or maybe old
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: school inside. All right, so there'll be twenty four players,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: so there'll be twelve different duos. So for example, can
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: you imagine James and Sean and all listeners right now
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: of ESPN Radio seven hundred Shay Jills Alexander paired with
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: bam Adebado. Two, Jalen Bronson Knickerbocker's paired with Luca Dantach. Three,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards paired with Jalen Durham of the Pistons. Four
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: fourth pairing Kate Cunningham paired with Chet hundred five Donovan
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: Mitchell paired with Nikolai Jokic. Yeah, six, Jamal Murray paired
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: with Jannis And the last one I just talked had
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: thought about it was Jalen Brown of the Celtics paired
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: with Cooper Flag of the maps Et cetera. So just
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: think about it. So I listed of seven pairings and
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: there would be a total of twelve, so it be
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: five more. What's your imagination? Think about it, and so
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: it would be highly competitive. And then there'll be different
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: rules as far as how many dribbles, how do you score?
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: If you get fouled, you get do you get foul shots?
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: If you make it make a three point is it
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: worth it? They could work that out, but as far
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: as it would be so much interest. And back in
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: the nineteen seventies they used to have an ABC did
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: the All Star Game. They had a one on one
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: tournament back in the nineteen seventies, it was one on one.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Let's fast forward fifty five years later, this would be
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: two on two. So I'm all for it, and I'm
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: assuming the players would be also, and you could eliminate
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: possibly maybe the skills challenge. So if it's two cumbersome,
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: take away the skills challenge and have this never take
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: away the dunk context you want, but you want to
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: improve it, but also never to ever take away to
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: three point shooting because it's absolutely Since the other night
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: when Dell, when Damian Lillard outshot at the end Devin
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: Bookt that was amazing, Gordy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: Would players be more excited about a two on two
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: or a one on one?
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm saying as a it'd be two on two
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: because one on one, the players will be embarrassed if
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: someone beats them. Sure, it's it's it's it's cutting dry.
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: They're embarrassed. Two on two, well, I played great was
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: two on two. So it's that's how players think that.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: It's interesting because I could see exactly what you're getting
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: through here, but I can also see it both ways, Like, Okay,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you share the blame, you share the glory anytime you're
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: in a team sport, right and a two on two,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: same situation in one on one.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: In the NBA, it's already the collection of the best
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: players on the planet. Yeah, mono a mono, And now
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: you've crowned yourself as the best player in the game.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: And we could all the debate that we have every
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: year is like, well, who's the best player in the
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: NBA right now? And most of the time we defer
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: to ever wins the MVP award. But in this case,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I know it's a different game one on one basketball
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: versus five on five basketball. But you could at least
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: have somebody else, probably not. The NBA MVP claimed that
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Elite won on one status. I would like to see it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I totally see why NBA players might be reluctant to
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: sign up for it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: And you'll be fascinating. And I'm sure the NBA, the
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: very progressive league, they would think about to make it
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: even more more sensational. And NBC now being a partner
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: where they own the rights to the All Star Game,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: is that they're all for this. And when you view
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: shifts up fifth for the first time in the highest
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: level in fifteen years, that means they can create more revenue.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: And that's all part of the NBA partnership.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: How often does a team have a, you know, a
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: situation where you know practice is over or here, it's
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: sure to around or whatever, and a guy's like me
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: and you one on one will play the five whatever.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Does that happen a lot?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Oh, that's an understatement. The answer is absolutely yes. And
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: also two on two where hey, usually it's two young
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: fellas challenge, We'll say two veterans, y know, we'll play
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: you guys. It happens all the time, maybe almost, if
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: not every practice every other practice. Wow, oh very frequently. Oh,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: absolutely is the coaching staff?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Is it generally you generally encourage that or do you
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: worry about it getting too chippy your feelings being hurt?
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, what's the coach's.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Role in a situation like that, because it's obviously extracurricular,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: that's stuff that's not part of your practice plan.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, the answer is we close our eyes and pray. Okay, yeah,
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: very much. So for example, just picture right now and
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: yesterday we'll say let's go uh Calm Alone and Brian
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Russell versus let's go John Karate and let's say.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Mike Brown.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: Okay, it's like that someone like that because I saw
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: it visually. Yeah, just playing till seven, right, and that's
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: what's good about it. Or Darren Williams playing versus Carlos
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Boozer and let's go CJ. Miles is because the knockdown
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Shooter with Memoo core just playing where it's uh, it
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: just you're playing for the joy of it and the
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: pride and also the pride of the locker room. Sure,
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: because after you win, you're in the locker room, you're
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: talking trash for about a half hour, if not weeks,
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: months years.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: How often are they put money on those games?
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Again, the answer is it would be a usually, it
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: will be a side bet. It's often, But from a
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: coaching standpoint, you're against good that's when it gets too weird.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Then just when it gets weird, only second to when
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: you the most teams are successful. Do not gamble as
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: far as card games on the airplane above sea level
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: thirty five thousand feet. It's a bad thing because things
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: get crazy up up above sea level and it's a carryover.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: So these all part of the NBA culture and I
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: think I'm all for it, and we shall see. But
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: more importantly, sean tonight is the start of the NBA
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: second part of this season. The All Star break is over,
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: and now the teams that are trying to make the playoffs,
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: they expect the young players to accelerate their progress defensively
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: and they're playing to win.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: We'll get into that a little bit here after we
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: take a break. Bad news on an update for second
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: period has begun, and I told you Team USA was
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: going to start the second period on a power play.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: They just gave up a short handed goal for Canada.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: That is not good. First goal allowed by TVSA since
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: the first game of this Olympic tournament. They got forty
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: five seconds left in this power play. So far in
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the Olympics, they are four for four on the power play.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Team USA is but one zero Canada right now at
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: the very opening portion of this second period, bummer. They'll
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: figure it out, though, Gordy chiez it for another twenty
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: five ish minutes. It's the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN
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  Speaker 3: seven hundred and ninety one FM.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: As you were listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from
• 26:21
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• 26:26
  Speaker 2: two to one, af.
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: AM, I should apologize if you're watching on the YouTube
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: stream because you're watching me eat this delightful Murlowburger from
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Burger Fusion.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Now, let's just say I'm not taking it slowly. This
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: thing is absolutely incredible. They are batting one thousand still
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the Rosemary Fries today the Murleow Berger. I have chosen
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: the tangy Fry sauce as my dipping sauce. Also, the
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  Speaker 3: a backup here. So Gordy has to listen to me
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  Speaker 3: eat and watch me eat. You just have to watch
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  Speaker 3: met My apologies to all of you, but Berkerfusion Hot Lunch.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Gorda jays in studio with us for the remainder of
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: this segment.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: One to Ozero.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Canada up on USA fifteen minutes left in the second
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: period in this game, and this is the seventh time
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: these two nations have played for a gold medal. Canada
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: is up four to two right now. Hopefully USA can
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: get the gold medal today and we'll call it four
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: to three after this one. Gordy, you pointed it out
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: to me during a break. It's a big time birthday
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: in the NBA.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Yes it is.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Today is the thirty first birthday of everybody that really
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: enjoys watching this guy play. I know he's one of
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: the jazz arch rivals. He plays it at Devon Nuggets.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: Nikolai Jokic today turns thirty one, and let's go about
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: his career. He was a second round pick, second round pick,
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: and you kidding me? And now he was the three
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: time league MVP back in twenty twenty one, twenty twenty
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: twenty two, and twenty twenty four, and he was the
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: MVP of the NBA Finals where the Nuggers were champions
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: back in twenty twenty three. This year, as we speak
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: right now, leads to the NBA in twenty games of
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: having a triple double, which is outrageous. And for this season,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: he's averaging twenty eight points seven points per game, twelve
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: point three rebounds, ten point seven assists, one point four steals,
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: shooting fifty six point one from the field.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Happy Birthday. It's outrageous.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Is he the best player in the league right now?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Yes, with Shaye being a very close second and Luca
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: donts all so in that group.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Would he win a one on one tournament if you
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: put everyone, because that's a different thing. That's a different
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: like athleticism probably matters, a little bit more quickness off
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: to dribble, et cetera. If he's the best player in
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: the team game, would he also be the best player
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: if they did that one on one thing at the
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: All Star weekend.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: No, he would not because his foot speed would be exposed.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: And when he plays in a team game, his foot
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: speed isn't as much of a factor. But his skill
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: level and his highly intelligent that's when you see him
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: really flourish. So one on one, if some said what's
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: the best one on one player in the NBA, I
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: would lean towards either you get debate this, either Shae
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: Jess Alexander as number one and number two Anthony Edwards.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: Those two guys would be probably again probably and one
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: of the best players of all time one on one.
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: I would lean towards either Tobie Bryant or Larry Bird
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: as far as just one on one, sure and as
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: you could debate that forever. And that's the beauty of
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: sports right now, So Jokic turns thirty one years young
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: and emphasized young tonight. Also Steph Curry the Warriors, they're
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: hanging in there. They've could have caved in like five
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: times already. The Warriors played tonight. It's the NBA season,
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: the Warriors right now, the eight seed, twenty nine wins
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: and twenty six losses. And Steph Curry is not playing.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: He has a right knee soreness. They call it really
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: runners knee, just wearing tear. This is seventeenth season in
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: the NBA, and let's say in that very small body
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: compared to other NBA players, let's say that it's wear
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: and tear. So Steph right now has missed this season
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: sixteen games, and when he's not played for the Warriors,
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: the Wayor's record is six and ten. That shows you
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: how great he is to play on an elite level.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: And let's not forget that Jimmy Butler's out for the season,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: so Steph is really carrying the team by himself and
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: they need him. This year, he's averaging twenty seven point
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: two points per game, four point eight assist, shooting forty
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: six point eight from the field, and thirty nine thirty
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: nine point one percent from three. And he's the best
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: player in the NBA as far as from the foul line,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: shooting ninety three percent. So he's playing great. They can't
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: win without him. They're going to try tonight.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Where do we put Golden State's competitiveness their chance for
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: being a championship caliber team still at this point because
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: of the Butler injury, like you talked about, because of
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: an aging Steph Curry who's having a harder time being healthy,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: which of course is something that plagued him in the
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: early portions of his career. There was some team chemistry
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: issues when you had cominge still as part of that picture.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: But I mean, this is one of the like pseudo
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: dynasties of modern bas basketball and it's a different look
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: team now.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: So are they still in the hunt?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: No, No, they're not.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: No, they're trying to hang on as long as they can,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: and that's commendable by them. But eventually they're going to
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: have to start over again. And that ownership level is
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: said that they want to be competitive as long as
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: Steph can still play at this level, and they are.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: They're competitive, they're twenty nine and twenty six. But eventually
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: they'll have to start over, like all teams do. The
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Jets decided to do that about three years ago. This
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: will be the fourth year not making the playoffs. Eventually
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: it will be the Warrior's turn to start over. The
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Warriors Sean's alluding to about this era as far as
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: dynasty they want. That are four NBA titles in an
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: eight year window, so from twenty fourteen the twenty twenty
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: two four titles and eight years.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: And in that also they.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Lost twice and they went to the finals six times totally.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: They lost to the Calves in twenty sixteen in Game
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: seven when Lebron won. He's got his first Championship with
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: the Cavaliers, and they lost when they were injured. Again
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: when Clay got hurt, they lost to the Raptors in
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. So with that window six times in the
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: NBA finals eight years, that might never happen again because
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: you might say, oh, no, what about the Thunder. Well,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: he's what history teaches us right now, for seven straight years,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: a different NBA champion has emerged. In twenty nineteen, it
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: was the Warriors. In twenty twenty, it was the Lakers
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: in the Bubble. In twenty twenty one, it was the Bucks.
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: In twenty twenty two, it was the Warriors. In twenty
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: twenty three, it was the Nuggets, in twenty twenty four
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: was the Celtics, and last year it was the Thunder.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And make it even more dramatic, the last time the
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: NBA champion went back to back title was twenty seventeen
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: eighteen and was the Warriors. For seven straight season, the
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: defending NBA champion didn't advans Sean past the second player round,
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: did not advance, So the NBA champion did not advance
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: past the second player round. So that's just shows you
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: how hard it is. For example, the Celts won in
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. They lost to their knicks in the
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: second round in twenty twenty five. So this shows you
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four, pardon me, So this shows you
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: now the thunder going to try to have a different
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: viewpoint of that. We'll see if it plays out.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: What do you think porzingis adds to the Warriors? How
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: does he fit into that lineup?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Very much?
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: He fits in well because he spaces the floor as
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: a three point shooter as seven foot seven foot read
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: basically two and that he can block shots and that
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: helps them also, and that allows Al Harford now to
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: play as a stretch big, as a power forward as
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: they with Draymond also helping out as far as whether
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: they start him or not as far as al Hoffort,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: so he gives them, he gives them a different viewpoint
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: and it helps them as far as being an outside
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: perimeter player that can block shots.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: That's what they need.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Really again, if you're a Warriors fan, they've actually overachieved.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: They give them a lot of credit. And the Lakers
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: have overachieved also now with and also the Nuggets have
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: overachieved because they've been out, they've been injured so much.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: The Nuggets.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: So they're playing without they're playing without Aaron Gordon, who's
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: who's been hurt with the hamstring injury. And now they're
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: playing without also Peyton Watson, who's played tremendous for them
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: with also a hamstring injury. And so for those guys
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: for the the Nuggets to be thirty five and twenty
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: as the third sea. Now the Thunder's playing also without
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Shaye right now, so there's still there's still the first place.
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: And then there's a team called showing the San Antonio Spurs.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: They are playing absolutely great. The question right now are
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: they ready for prime time in the playoffs? This will
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: be their first playoff bid in six years, since twenty nineteen,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: And they say they are, and they could be the
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Aaron Fox, Stephan Castle, Devin Varsel, Harrison Barnes, Victor went Beyamba.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: Then they go Dylan Harper off the bench, Kelden Johnson
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: off the bench, Julian Champeenni off the bench, Kelly o'lennig
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: helping them off the bench, and Luke Cornette.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: So they're really ten deep.
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: Do they have enough toughness and awareness about the intensity
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: of the playoffs. We're gonna find out but they have
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: a great start in wen Beyamba and also in Stephan
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: Castle and the Aaron Fox, whose I call him the
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: fastest of the fast.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: There's always narratives in the NBA and the NHL about,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: you know, the rebuild and now you're back in the
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: playoff picture, but nobody really expects that the first year
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: back in the playoffs you're gonna make a real championship run.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And you've described for us many times the significant difference
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: between regular season basketball and NBA playoff basketball. Do we
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: have an example in the history of the NBA of
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: a team that was absent from the playoffs for a
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: significant stretch and then they made it all the way
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: to a conference finals or into an NBA finals when
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: they first arrived back at the table, so to speak,
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Or does it always take two or three years for
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: a team like this one, like the Spurs, like we
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: hope the Jazz will be next year, you get into
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, then you get a little bit further in
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: the playoffs, and then okay, third straight year in the playoffs,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Now it's really time.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Are there outliers to this not recently?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: No?
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: No, it's painful, and most times you get punched in
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: the face. For example, the Minicoma Timberwolves with Anthony Edwards,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: who's a superstar player, They've been to the conference finals
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: back to back years, but have not been able to
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: get over that hurdle to get into the NBA Finals.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: It just shows you, hey, do you like the Clippers.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: The Clippers have only one appearance in the Western co
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: Finals in their history as a franchise, And so it's hard.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Like this this thing called the NBA playoffs, it's hard.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: The Pistons are going to try to do that. As
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: far as they got they they're each year they're getting
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: slightly better as far as in the as far as
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: in postseason. There's nothing regular about the NBA playoffs. Yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: so James tones in the headsets about the Lakers miss
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: seven straight years before they able to get Lebron as
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: far as as far as getting it, and Anthony Davis.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: That, okay, it feels it feels like a bit of
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: a cheat when you when you get Lebron, James like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: because he just automatically elevates a team. But yeah, I
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: think that patience process, that rebuild process is it's a
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: difficult thing for fans to have to endure.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: If you're seven year cycle.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: If it's a seven year turnaround cycle, that's a big
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: ask to say, all right, hang out with us. Well,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: you know, we get back into contention every six, seven, eight,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: ten years, and you're lucky if it's even championship contention
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: that frequently.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, very much.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: So.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Then there's the Sacramento Kings right where they're the opposite,
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: where they've been trying to rebuild for literally twenty years.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: They've only had one appearance in the playoffs in nineteen
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: years wild. So it just shows you that that it's
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: not any magical.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: It's picking the right guys most of the time.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: So example, you get the majority of your draft picks
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: correct towards winning, and then you developed them and then
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: you have a thing called chemistry with the group, and
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: that chemistry so so many times showing it's elusive because
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: you can't explain it until you don't have it where
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: you don't where it's such a feeling in the locker
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: room where most of the players there's an element of
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: joy about playing with their flowmates and also with their teammates,
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: also with their workmates. I'm using three different words here, teammates, floormates,
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: and workmates, and they all have to match together and
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: mesh and that's where it gets so interesting. There's no algorithms,
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: there's no metrics that ever will explain to people about
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: in a locker room. That locker room, it's really it's sacred.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: It's a sanctuary as far as each player, and that
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: players have to understand that that locker room is critical
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: towards winning.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: James says the seventy seven Blazers might be the best
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: example of a playoff drought. And the Blazers missed the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: playoffs for six years and then one in nineteen seventy seven.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: Which just shows you how long ago. And that's when
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: he got Bill Walton. Okay, so he was the guy. Walton,
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: he was the guy. Then he got hurt with so
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: many injuries, and then the next season they started out
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: fifty and ten. After winning it in nineteen seventy seven,
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Bill got hurt and then they had a hard time
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: after Bill. As far as winning it again, it's hard.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: It's hard where the NFL, whether it's the NBA, this
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: is difficult to playoffs. So the cas for example, the Cavaliers,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: you know, people still have a great relationship with Donovan
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Mitchell because people want him to do well locally here.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: He plays for the Cavaliers. Now for those guys, yeah,
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: the best record in basketball last season, they got punched
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: in the face. Now they made that trade for Darius
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: Calling going to the Clippers and then they acquired James
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Harden at the end of his career.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: But it's still absolutely effective player and a dominant player.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: He has some struggles in the playoffs though, might head
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: but they're saying that it's worth the risk because we
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: have Donovan Mitchell and his prime right now. We don't
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: want to wait any longer. So that's where it's where
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: teams they are patient and then they have to get
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: a certain player that they think can help them go
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: deeper in the playoffs and if not championship.
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: Gordy, what is Matt Ishbia's reputation around the league? Is
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: he respected as an owner? Do they like him?
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: There's you don't always have to be liked to be respected, obviously.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: What is Matt Ishbia's standing in the NBA circles?
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: That is a new generational type owner. He's almost like
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: a younger version of a of a Mark Cuban was
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: twenty five twenty six seven years ago, and that's good.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: So he's stirring it up with his franchise, the Phoenix Suns.
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: And by the way, the Suns right now they're thirty
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: two and twenty three. They're the seventh seeds, so they're saying,
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: why not us, And they have Devin Booker, who's a
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: tremendous player and he's in his prime, and they think
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: that they can make some upsets in the playoffs. So
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: it's led by ownership and management. And their team has
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: played relatively well the whole season and they're not they're
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: not gonna mention it because they're paying the guy a
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of money. But right you know, right now
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: with this with the with the Suns, right now, with
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: with Devin Booker, when they when he added Colin Gillespie,
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: that really helped them tremendously, and that's their backcourt is
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: really in place. They added Dylan Brooks, who's a wild card,
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: and now with Mark Williams is the big guy right now,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: and they're they're gonna be they're gonna be a force
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: in the n b A. As far as them playing,
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: Grayson Allen's on a good jeff for them. Former jazz
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: man and they they play well. They're second in the
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: NBA as far as in uh steals, So they play
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: aggressive defense, and they have a lot of good young talent,
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: and they have guys in their prime also right now.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: The reason I asked about matt Eshpia is that he
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: made some strong comments about the tanking situation. Yes, he said,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: it's loser behavior done by losers purposely losing is something
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: nobody should want to be associated with. Embarrassing for the
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: league and for the organizations to talk about this is
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: a strategy is ridiculous.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Now, I get it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: You're not in a situation right now where you feel
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: a need to do this. This means, matt Ishbia, because
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: you went out with this statement, you can never let
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: your team tank. So when this group of talented young
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: players becomes old players or often injured players or not
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: competitive players, you're not allowed to tank.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: Matt Ishbia.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: The sons under your ownership, under your leadership, are never
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: allowed to tank.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's a strong stance that he's taking.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Is he doing this to get into the good graces
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: of Adam Silver? Does he really believe stuff like this?
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's kind of a tried and true tradition.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: This is what people do.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the answer is we'll find out about six seven
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: years from now when some of their main guys are
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: aging and so ed you described Looso without the vocal
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: part of it, the Mandy Heat. They're true there once
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: where they were a tremendous franchise. They still as far
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: as a franchise, they're trying to never reload. They're always
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: trying to piecemeal it so they can be highly competitive
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: as far as them in their market. Can they pull
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: it off? We'll find out, And that's right now. The
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: Phoenix Sounds are trying to be like almost like the
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: Heat of the Western Conference version. It's hard to be
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: good for so many years. One time in Jazz basketball,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: the Jazz went to the playoffs twenty straight years, which
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: is remarkable. From nineteen eighty three to two thousand and three,
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: the Jazz were in the playoffs for twenty years in
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: a row. Unfortunately, there was never a championship to say that. Yes,
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: the Jazz were for a five year window, they were
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: absolutely elite of the elite, but they had to play
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: against Michael Jordan, and that was the Jazz had to
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: play against the world's greatest player of all time to
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: get there, and it took Jordan's greatest brilliance to beat
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: the Jazz both those years in nineteen ninety seven nineteen
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: ninety eight, back to back years four games to two.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Remember Michael Jordan never played in the seven game series
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: in the finals. That's how great he was by himself.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: So with his sidekick Scottie Pippen, and also Dennis Rodman.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: Gordy, what's the list today?
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: And speaking speaking of Rodman, He's on this list eventually.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: My list today is the most career twenty plus rebound
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: games by NBA players go So Korea. How many times
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: have these guys have twenty plus rebounding games career wise?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I think about.
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: Twenty rebounds in a game a lot. That's a lot.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: Foundations of elite rebounders are one positioning, two instincts, three timing,
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: four high hands, five footwork, six quickness, seven physicality, and
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: eight effort. Note on this list, I'm gonna give you
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: it's only going to be twelve names.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: The NBA did.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Not officially record offensive rebounding as a category, not until
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: the nineteen seventy three seventy four season. So when I
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: say these guys' names. You're gonna say out loud, what
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: about Bill Russell, Wilt Nate Thurman and Willis? Reed, you're right,
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: So those guys. We never know how many offensive rebounds
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: guys got, ever got.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: So wait, ever, they didn't count the rebound if it
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: happened on the offensive end, or they just didn't separate
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: offensive from defensive.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't separate.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, all right, all right, so but we never know
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: they see, they just put rebounds in the game. And
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: also some of those games, there's no films of them,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: so they would never go back to the showing the
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: old school black and white grainy films that your eyes
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: hurt watching them.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Every once you see that.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Every once in a while they show a film of
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: a black and white which is hard to believe in
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: this digital age. Here's the list right now. There's only
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: twelve names. Number eleven all time. Kevin Garnett, he did
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: it thirty six times. Number ten tied Mosa Malone and
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Kevin Willis. They had thirty seven twenty plus rebound games.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Number nine Ben Wallace and before I gave his numbers,
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: he's the who is undrafted and he's in the Basketball
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Hall of fame. So pitchers shown being undrafted. You never
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: got picked. As far as that you're in the basket
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. Ben Wallace, he did forty two times
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: twenty plus rebound games. Number eight. Marcus Camby did his
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: forty four times. Number seven. Hakeem Olaja one did it
• 48:33
  Speaker 5: forty eight times twenty plus or more rebound games. Number six.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: He's the wag his tail, his finger at us defensively.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: The Kembo Mutumbo did it fifty two times Number five.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: Before I say his name, he was only six foot
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: five and a half. To do this fifty four times
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: is remarkable. I'm talking about Charles Barklay Wow. Number four.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: He plays for the Pelicans at the end of his Korea,
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: but when he was younger with the Clippers, he was
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: absolutely a tremendous rebounder. Deanre Jordan did it sixty times
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: twenty plus rebound games Number three. One time he won
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: the Dunk Contest with a Cape Benings Superman. Dwight Howard
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: did it eighty two times. The second greatest rebounder as
• 49:21
  Speaker 5: far as most ever twenty point rebounding games. He plays
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: currently for the seventy six ers. His name is Andre Drumman.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: He did it ninety two times, and the number one
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: player in history of basketball with the most ever twenty
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: plus rebound Korea games. We played against them so many times.
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: Everybody knows his hairdoos his different colors of his hair.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: His name is Dennis Rodman. He did it one hundred
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: and fifty eight times twenty rebound games, which means that
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: he has sixty six more than the second place holder
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: of Andre Drummond. Quickly, what about jazz franchise history. The
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: most ever twenty point plus games as far as rebounds
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: is Rudy Gobert. He did it twenty four times, and
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: their runner up is called Malone. He did it twelve. Presently,
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: Rucker Kestel, you know he's hurt. He's so far in
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: his Korea arc. He has twenty plus rebounding games. He
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: did it three times. That's my list of today of
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: the most ever twenty plus rebound games Korea wise.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Remember that Dennis Rodman was on the Last Dance documentary
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: and he was talking about how you could get rebounds
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: based on the sound that the basketball made as it
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: was contacting the rim. I mean it was somewhat comical
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: because he was of course pantomime. He was making the
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: noises with his mouth, but that's how well his rebounding
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: brain worked. He knew what a ball was gonna do
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: coming off the rim based on the auditory signature of
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: the impact against the rim and the back very much.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: So again we call that soft rims. There's some rims
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: that are softer and some are harder. Even though it's
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: all as far as should be unified in the NBA,
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: so in the Boston Gardens and yesteryear, the rims were soft.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: So it means that.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: And also you have to study your teammates their shot,
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: their shot arc. Is it a line drive, is it
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: a mid arc, is it a high arc? It was
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: a line drive. It's gonna break the rim when it's
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: missed then, so it's gonna come out quicker. It was
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: a soft rim, and your teammate has a high arc,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be hit and miss and it's gonna be right
• 51:36
  Speaker 5: in front of the rim. So again, this is instincts
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: and Dennis Robin, to his credit, he's able to master
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: it and that's why he's had the most ever games.
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: And you know, in jazz basketball, Rudy Gobert think about it,
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: that he's all these different criteria as far as attributes,
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: Rudy had that. I mean, you have to be physical
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: and you have to be willing to watch get hit
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: and get smacked in the face to chase down offensive rebounds.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: That's the list.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: That's Gordy Chias, our resident NBA Guru, Gordia, it's always
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: great having you in here.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Thanks for coming in again.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks sew On. Peace Out YouTube Gordi
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