Latest / More Than Medicine / Interview: Rebecca Terrell - Un-Earthing the CO2 Pipeline

Transcript

Interview: Rebecca Terrell - Un-Earthing the CO2 Pipeline · More Than Medicine

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: So listen up, because the doctor is in.
• 0:22
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Welcome to More Than Medicine.
• 0:24
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook.
• 0:32
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Well, I'm privileged to have online with me today a good friend, Ms Rebecca Terrell, who's been with us in the past.
• 0:40
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Ms Rebecca, welcome to More Than Medicine.
• 0:43
  Rebecca Terrell: Thank you so much.
• 0:44
  Rebecca Terrell: It's great to be back with you.
• 0:46
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Well, I'm delighted to have you and first of all, I want to ask you to tell my listeners a little bit about yourself, to remind them about who you are and what you do, before we dive into our topic for the day.
• 0:58
  Rebecca Terrell: Absolutely Well, I am a senior editor for the New American Magazine that is the magazine of the John Birch Society, for the New American Magazine that is the magazine of the John Birch Society.
• 1:06
  Rebecca Terrell: And I am also a previous employee, previous staff member of Congressman Ron Paul's office and I authored his bill to get us out of the United Nations.
• 1:17
  Rebecca Terrell: So that's kind of my claim to fame.
• 1:19
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I get you.
• 1:21
  Rebecca Terrell: That's what people like to talk about, right?
• 1:23
  Rebecca Terrell: No-transcript.
• 1:47
  Dr.Robert Jackson: And just I know that you've called me today to yeah, I want you to talk about a documentary actually that I saw recently, and give me the title exactly of the documentary that you narrated?
• 2:04
  Rebecca Terrell: Right.
• 2:04
  Rebecca Terrell: The documentary is called Unearthing the CO2 Pipeline and it's produced by the John Birch Society.
• 2:10
  Rebecca Terrell: It's part of our Stand your Ground series.
• 2:12
  Rebecca Terrell: We're going to be producing more like this, but it is a documentary about something that is coming to everyone's backyard and we're trying to make people aware of it, trying to warn people of the dangers.
• 2:27
  Rebecca Terrell: And the nice thing about the documentary is, even though it contains some pretty tough news to hear, it is not without hope.
• 2:36
  Rebecca Terrell: We know exactly what we can do about it.
• 2:38
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Well, I'm telling you that documentary, miss Rebecca.
• 2:42
  Dr.Robert Jackson: It elicited from me a very strong visceral reaction.
• 2:48
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I'm going to tell you why.
• 2:48
  Dr.Robert Jackson: My family in the lower part of the state of South Carolina is a farming family and they've farmed property that they've owned for over 100 years, and the farm there is extensive I mean they farm 1,200 plus acres.
• 3:06
  Dr.Robert Jackson: And if what happens there in Iowa, nebraska, south Dakota, that's described in this documentary were to happen in the lower part of the state of South Carolina to some of my farming family there in this state and friends of our family, I can imagine that it would create a great brouhaha.
• 3:33
  Dr.Robert Jackson: And so it really really hit home to me when I listened to this documentary.
• 3:39
  Dr.Robert Jackson: So let's describe to my listeners exactly what's happening out there in the Northwest.
• 3:47
  Rebecca Terrell: Right, Absolutely Well, right now it is absolutely happening in the Corn Belt, what we call the Great Plains.
• 3:53
  Rebecca Terrell: So North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota are being targeted right now.
• 4:00
  Rebecca Terrell: We have to remember that the Department of Energy published a report in 2022 saying they plan to implement, to install 96,000 miles of this pipeline across the United States of America.
• 4:13
  Rebecca Terrell: There is not one state that will not be affected by their plans and, of course, you know the reason.
• 4:18
  Rebecca Terrell: They're doing this to capture carbon dioxide, to save Mother Earth from all of us greedy, blood-sucking humans.
• 4:26
  Rebecca Terrell: Right, Humans are the problem.
• 4:28
  Rebecca Terrell: That's always the message of all of the environmental silliness and you know that when that's the message that humans are the evil on Earth, that's not a message from God.
• 4:42
  Rebecca Terrell: That's right.
• 4:46
  Rebecca Terrell: That's a message from his adversary, right, that's a message from his adversary.
• 4:48
  Rebecca Terrell: So that's ultimately what they're doing.
• 4:49
  Rebecca Terrell: They're trying, they want to capture carbon dioxide from industrial facilities and sequester it deep underground in underground caverns.
• 4:58
  Rebecca Terrell: There are so many problems with this.
• 5:00
  Rebecca Terrell: The first, first of all, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant as we know.
• 5:03
  Rebecca Terrell: It is very, very necessary to all life on Earth.
• 5:06
  Rebecca Terrell: It feeds our food.
• 5:07
  Rebecca Terrell: It is plant food.
• 5:08
  Rebecca Terrell: We know that from the historic record.
• 5:13
  Rebecca Terrell: We know that increases in temperature globally precede they don't follow, they precede increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide.
• 5:23
  Rebecca Terrell: We know that in greenhouses they funnel in carbon dioxide to make the plants healthier Right.
• 5:31
  Rebecca Terrell: So, we know that carbon dioxide we know this from from our elementary school biology.
• 5:37
  Rebecca Terrell: You know science classes that carbon dioxide is a plant food.
• 5:41
  Rebecca Terrell: It's very necessary to life on Earth.
• 5:43
  Rebecca Terrell: Oxide is a plant food.
• 5:44
  Rebecca Terrell: It's very necessary to life on Earth.
• 5:45
  Rebecca Terrell: And what they're doing when they capture the emissions from these industrial facilities out there in the Corn Belt?
• 5:49
  Rebecca Terrell: They're capturing it from ethanol plants and they condense it into its liquefied form under very high pressure, about 2200 PSI.
• 6:00
  Rebecca Terrell: Think about the PSI in your car tire and that gives you an idea of how much exponentially larger this pressure is.
• 6:08
  Rebecca Terrell: They want to funnel this supercritical it's called supercritical CO2 in that liquefied, pressurized state and they want to send it thousands of miles away to sequester it underground.
• 6:25
  Rebecca Terrell: Supposedly Now we already have carbon capture.
• 6:26
  Rebecca Terrell: It's been around for decades and it's been regulated by the federal government for decades.
• 6:31
  Rebecca Terrell: But it's always been used on a micro level and very short pipeline paths from industrial facilities like, for instance, an oil refinery, and they condense the CO2 down and make fracking fluid out of it where they inject it into otherwise depleted oil and gas wells.
• 6:51
  Rebecca Terrell: So we already have 5,000 miles of carbon capture pipeline in this country.
• 6:57
  Rebecca Terrell: But we also have a history Because of that we have a history and we know what happens when there are accidents with these pipelines and they are not good.
• 7:08
  Rebecca Terrell: When carbon, supercritical carbon dioxide when a pipeline ruptures and that supercritical material hits the atmosphere, it immediately turns back into a gas, but it's heavier than air.
• 7:23
  Rebecca Terrell: Think of dry ice that's carbon dioxide.
• 7:26
  Rebecca Terrell: Or think of your fire extinguisher in your kitchen.
• 7:30
  Rebecca Terrell: If you pull it out to put out a fire, you're shooting carbon dioxide onto that fire, but it is heavier than air.
• 7:38
  Rebecca Terrell: It sticks to the ground and it still acts like liquid.
• 7:41
  Rebecca Terrell: It still flows.
• 7:41
  Rebecca Terrell: And in February of 2020, there was an accident outside a little village in Satarsha, mississippi, and that's where we start our documentary.
• 7:51
  Rebecca Terrell: We tell the story of what happened because that supercritical CO2 transformed rapidly into its gaseous state, flowed right down into that village and people started dropping and, of course, it wasn't in the same concentration everywhere.
• 8:06
  Rebecca Terrell: People are gagging for air.
• 8:07
  Rebecca Terrell: They run to get in their cars to drive away.
• 8:11
  Rebecca Terrell: The car won't start because your car needs oxygen.
• 8:14
  Rebecca Terrell: An internal combustion engine doesn't work in an oxygen-depleted environment.
• 8:18
  Rebecca Terrell: So you know they're calling 911.
• 8:22
  Rebecca Terrell: 911 doesn't know what to do.
• 8:24
  Rebecca Terrell: They've never experienced anything like this.
• 8:26
  Rebecca Terrell: That's right.
• 8:26
  Rebecca Terrell: The emergency crews couldn't get there.
• 8:30
  Rebecca Terrell: Their cars shut down their vehicle emergency vehicles shut down, that's right, I'm sorry the ambulance wouldn't work.
• 8:40
  Rebecca Terrell: In fact, I interviewed one of the emergency crew and he said they had to.
• 8:45
  Rebecca Terrell: They just get out of their vehicles.
• 8:47
  Rebecca Terrell: They had special oxygen tanks that they were wearing to be able to breathe.
• 8:54
  Rebecca Terrell: Actually, they were reacting.
• 8:55
  Rebecca Terrell: They still didn't know what was going on, they hadn't figured out what was going on yet.
• 9:04
  Rebecca Terrell: But they went in there with their special breathing apparatus and you know, the funny thing was no one knew if you were going to shelter in place.
• 9:10
  Rebecca Terrell: The thing to do would be to go to the second floor of your house as if it was a flood, because that's the way the carbon dioxide acts it's odorless, it's invisible.
• 9:20
  Rebecca Terrell: You know this cloud comes in.
• 9:24
  Rebecca Terrell: You can't see.
• 9:24
  Rebecca Terrell: Now they did.
• 9:25
  Rebecca Terrell: You will hear the people of satarsha talk about.
• 9:27
  Rebecca Terrell: They saw the cloud, but that's because the rupture tore a 40 foot deep hole in the ground and all of that debris was flying through the air.
• 9:40
  Rebecca Terrell: So that's what they were seeing, but actually carbon dioxide was invisible.
• 9:47
  Rebecca Terrell: It's invisible and it's also you can't smell it.
• 9:50
  Rebecca Terrell: Now, in this case, they did.
• 9:52
  Rebecca Terrell: The company that was using it was Denberry Resources, which was an oil and gas company.
• 9:57
  Rebecca Terrell: They actually capture carbon from a dormant volcano called the Jackson Dome down there nearby Satarsha, and they funnel it and they use it for fracking fluid.
• 10:07
  Rebecca Terrell: That's a process called enhanced oil recovery.
• 10:09
  Rebecca Terrell: But now it's changed, and the reason it's changed is not because these companies are thinking oh, we want to save Mother Earth, we want to spend our money and help save Mother Earth.
• 10:22
  Rebecca Terrell: There's no altruistic motive and there's also no market potential to bury carbon dioxide underneath the earth and not use it for anything.
• 10:33
  Rebecca Terrell: So there's no marketing potential for them.
• 10:35
  Rebecca Terrell: These are for-profit companies that want to put in these pipelines.
• 10:39
  Rebecca Terrell: So you can guess why they want to do this it's because of billions of dollars in government subsidies that the Biden administration made available to them.
• 10:49
  Rebecca Terrell: Now these government subsidies have been around for a long time, but every single presidential administration since they were first implemented in the 1990s has upped the amount of subsidy available to pipeline companies.
• 11:04
  Rebecca Terrell: The Biden administration upped it from what Trump had.
• 11:08
  Rebecca Terrell: Upped it to $50 per ton of carbon captured.
• 11:11
  Rebecca Terrell: Now Biden upped it to $85 per ton, and we're talking about millions of tons of carbon dioxide that are potentially collected, and this is another thing.
• 11:24
  Rebecca Terrell: Potentially collected, and this is another thing.
• 11:29
  Rebecca Terrell: The companies who get these subsidies don't have to prove that their numbers are accurate.
• 11:33
  Rebecca Terrell: They can just say I captured a million, I captured two million.
• 11:36
  Rebecca Terrell: They can say whatever they want to.
• 11:38
  Rebecca Terrell: A lot of the subsidies are in the form of tax credits, but there's also been a direct pay loophole added to the IRS tax code 45Q.
• 11:47
  Rebecca Terrell: If the company so chooses, it can forego the tax credit and get cash in hand.
• 11:56
  Rebecca Terrell: So literally billions of dollars funneled to these companies.
• 11:59
  Rebecca Terrell: So that's their incentive for doing this.
• 12:03
  Dr.Robert Jackson: What do they do with the CO2?
• 12:04
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Is there any useful purpose other than fracking?
• 12:08
  Rebecca Terrell: Well, like I said, they're planning on sequestering it deep underground, so it can't hurt Mother Earth, so it can't go back into the atmosphere and cause global warming, which, again, as we know, it doesn't cause global warming.
• 12:22
  Dr.Robert Jackson: So it's all a ruse and it's just a way to steal money out of the taxpayer's wallet.
• 12:29
  Rebecca Terrell: It is, but that's not the only.
• 12:31
  Rebecca Terrell: That is the immediate, or we might say the micro motivation is to get that money, to get taxpayer money.
• 12:41
  Rebecca Terrell: But the bigger picture is the land grab that's going on Because you know, city folk might say, oh, you can just bury the pipe through farm.
• 12:50
  Rebecca Terrell: North Dakota, south Dakota they're fighting, fighting, fighting.
• 13:08
  Rebecca Terrell: Nebraska has its hands tied because years ago farmers signed easements with a gas pipeline, a natural gas pipeline, and that's installed and been working.
• 13:22
  Rebecca Terrell: They didn't realize that what they were signing said we can do anything we want to.
• 13:27
  Rebecca Terrell: We can change this pipeline to anything we want to in the future.
• 13:31
  Rebecca Terrell: You have no say in it.
• 13:32
  Rebecca Terrell: We own it, we own the land, you have the tax liability for it and you have the insurance liability for it.
• 13:40
  Rebecca Terrell: But we get to use it however we wish.
• 13:43
  Rebecca Terrell: And now they're turning that natural gas pipeline into a carbon capture pipeline.
• 13:50
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I see and.
• 13:50
  Rebecca Terrell: Nebraska can say nothing.
• 13:51
  Rebecca Terrell: It's very scary that actually that point did not make it into the documentary.
• 13:56
  Rebecca Terrell: There's so many, so many layers of the story.
• 14:00
  Rebecca Terrell: It was hard and we wanted to tell the story as completely but succinctly as possible.
• 14:06
  Dr.Robert Jackson: So it's inside.
• 14:07
  Rebecca Terrell: The documentary runs about 54 or 55 minutes, so there's even more to the story that we just didn't have time to fit in, but it's coming.
• 14:18
  Rebecca Terrell: They're taking these people's property by eminent domain or they're trying to South Dakota just recently, the legislature, these farmers were up in arms and ran for office.
• 14:30
  Rebecca Terrell: People who thought they'd never you know, never imagined they'd get into politics have run for office and they have displaced some incumbents and taken over the legislature.
• 14:40
  Rebecca Terrell: It's really a beautiful story and they most recently passed a bill saying no eminent domain for carbon capture pipelines.
• 14:47
  Rebecca Terrell: So they have outlawed it in the state of South Dakota.
• 14:49
  Rebecca Terrell: It is really standing.
• 14:50
  Rebecca Terrell: That state is standing as a bulwark against this and is there to be commended.
• 14:55
  Rebecca Terrell: But poor Nebraska can't do anything because they already signed these easements.
• 15:00
  Rebecca Terrell: There's nothing to be done.
• 15:01
  Rebecca Terrell: It's kind of grandfathered in.
• 15:02
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Man.
• 15:03
  Dr.Robert Jackson: That is shocking.
• 15:18
  Rebecca Terrell: Yeah, the easements are very, very evil man.
• 15:20
  Rebecca Terrell: That is shocking any future generations their right to use that land as they see fit.
• 15:26
  Rebecca Terrell: People don't understand when they're signing these easements and they get that one time or maybe a few years worth of payout on it.
• 15:37
  Rebecca Terrell: It's selling your birthright for that cup of soup.
• 15:40
  Dr.Robert Jackson: That's exactly right, exactly right.
• 15:42
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I see that.
• 15:43
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I do see that.
• 15:44
  Dr.Robert Jackson: And now people have been fighting back and failing in so many places.
• 15:50
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I was listening to the documentary and I was seeing the frustration in the voices and faces of people who are trying to fight back against this huge corporation.
• 16:01
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Now, what was the name of this corporation?
• 16:06
  Rebecca Terrell: was the name of this corporation Right.
• 16:07
  Rebecca Terrell: The one particular pipeline company that's highlighted right now is called Summit Carbon Solutions.
• 16:10
  Rebecca Terrell: It's not the only pipeline company in this game, but it's the one that's fighting the fight, so to speak, throughout the Midwest right now.
• 16:18
  Rebecca Terrell: All the others are, I think, kind of holding back.
• 16:21
  Rebecca Terrell: In fact, navigator CO2 Ventures also had contracts with a lot of ethanol plants but because of the pushback in South Dakota they pulled out and they sold a lot of their ethanol plant contracts to Summit.
• 16:37
  Rebecca Terrell: I think companies like Navigator and there are others are waiting to see how things play out because once Summit achieves victory which is what they're planning they can step in and not have all the legal battles that Summit's having to fight right now.
• 16:54
  Rebecca Terrell: Summit Carbon Solutions is very significant because it's owned by a man named Bruce Rastetter.
• 16:59
  Rebecca Terrell: He Politico years ago called him the Iowa kingmaker because he has put so many people with his millions of dollars.
• 17:06
  Rebecca Terrell: He's put so many people in positions of power in Iowa.
• 17:10
  Rebecca Terrell: He also has friends in other states.
• 17:12
  Rebecca Terrell: Doug Burgum, former governor of North Dakota and now the interior secretary under Trump, is big friends with him, has been a big promoter of carbon capture and is also a big promoter of this blue hydrogen, which is another eco boondoggle where they're just funneling money to their corporate friends taxpayer money for something that is absolutely it's absolutely inane to believe that we can switch from a fossil fuel-based economy to a hydrogen economy when it takes three units of electricity to produce every two units of hydrogen power.
• 17:51
  Rebecca Terrell: Yeah, I mean, right there, you can see that that's what's called deficit spending, right, yeah, that's foolishness which is what we've become very good at, isn't it?
• 18:00
  Rebecca Terrell: um?
• 18:00
  Rebecca Terrell: So I mean, our federal government really has become our, our enemy, because it takes taxpayer money and it basically launders it, and funnels it to corporate cronies, and we're seeing this happen time and time again.
• 18:19
  Rebecca Terrell: It's happening with carbon capture.
• 18:21
  Rebecca Terrell: Hydrogen extraction is called blue, not because it's a carbon-free process, but because they capture the carbon dioxide and bury it underground.
• 18:33
  Rebecca Terrell: And that's what makes it quote clean.
• 18:36
  Rebecca Terrell: Even though it's not clean, it uses a lot of energy, and so does carbon capture.
• 18:41
  Rebecca Terrell: The amount of energy that has to be used from a coal or gas-fired power plant to achieve this carbon capture is one and a half to two times.
• 18:53
  Rebecca Terrell: It emits one and a half to two times as much carbon as is captured, and that's demonstrably true.
• 19:01
  Rebecca Terrell: We know this.
• 19:03
  Rebecca Terrell: This has been proven.
• 19:05
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Over and over.
• 19:07
  Rebecca Terrell: On paper, you know, with numbers, and that's exactly what's happening.
• 19:10
  Rebecca Terrell: And that is why you're going to find groups like the Sierra Club and even Al Gore saying carbon capture is a non-solution, it's dangerous, it's ridiculous.
• 19:23
  Rebecca Terrell: I mean Al Gore has come out very strongly against carbon capture and I mean you can't get a bigger tree hugger than he is right.
• 19:31
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Yeah.
• 19:32
  Rebecca Terrell: So if you've got left and right and the odd thing is it's mostly Republicans who are pushing this carbon capture.
• 19:40
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Well, it's because there's so much they're getting paid off somewhere.
• 19:44
  Dr.Robert Jackson: They're making money on it somewhere themselves.
• 19:47
  Rebecca Terrell: Right, exactly.
• 19:47
  Rebecca Terrell: It's just like Kristi Noem, the former governor of South Dakota, who is now Homeland Security Director and campaigned on private property rights.
• 19:56
  Rebecca Terrell: You know, she's the cowgirl and she's got that hat on, she's on the horse and she's telling you what a wonderful American she is.
• 20:02
  Rebecca Terrell: And she did keep her state open during COVID, right?
• 20:05
  Rebecca Terrell: She made headlines for that.
• 20:07
  Rebecca Terrell: She became famous because of that.
• 20:09
  Rebecca Terrell: But when it came to carbon capture pipelines, she sold them out.
• 20:13
  Rebecca Terrell: Not only did she tell the farmers, she told one of the farmers I can't fight all your battles but she also signed a bill into law that was later rescinded in the 2024 election by the voters of South Dakota, but signed a bill into law saying that these carbon capture pipeline companies could come in and take land, take private land by eminent domain, because of course, this is for the public good.
• 20:45
  Rebecca Terrell: We're going to save Mother Earth.
• 20:46
  Rebecca Terrell: No, we're not.
• 20:48
  Rebecca Terrell: That's ridiculous and so.
• 20:50
  Rebecca Terrell: But she actually came out later, bruce Rastetter, summit Carbon Solutions was one of the platinum sponsors of her second inaugurational ball and she's also invested in one of the pipeline companies with which Summit Carbon Solutions.
• 21:03
  Rebecca Terrell: I mean one of the ethanol plants I should say, I'm sorry, not pipeline One of the ethanol plants with which Summit Carbon Solutions I mean one of the ethanol plants I should say sorry, not pipeline companies one of the ethanol plants with which Summit Carbon Solutions has a contract.
• 21:12
  Rebecca Terrell: How do you spell conflict of interest?
• 21:17
  Rebecca Terrell: See how deep it goes.
• 21:19
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Yeah, I see, I understand.
• 21:20
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Now go back to listen to Alex Newman on that documentary talking about the big picture and what the end game is.
• 21:30
  Dr.Robert Jackson: We got about four or five more minutes Talk about that again.
• 21:37
  Rebecca Terrell: Yeah, that's absolutely important.
• 21:38
  Rebecca Terrell: We know that all of this is very clearly spelled out in Agenda 2030, the Sustainable Development Goals of Agenda 2030.
• 21:45
  Rebecca Terrell: These plans came down from that document.
• 21:50
  Rebecca Terrell: They were implemented, actually, during Bill Clinton's campaign.
• 21:53
  Rebecca Terrell: You don't have to take my word for it.
• 21:55
  Rebecca Terrell: Look up the Millennium Papers from 1998.
• 21:59
  Rebecca Terrell: These were the findings of Bill Clinton's presidential commission to implement Agenda 21 in this country.
• 22:04
  Rebecca Terrell: Agenda 21 is the umbrella document that George Bush President George Bush signed us onto, and his presidential commission was led by a man named J Gary Lawrence.
• 22:20
  Rebecca Terrell: He is quoted in the Millennium Papers as saying we're not going to call it Local Agenda 21 because that will bring out all the conspiracy crackpots.
• 22:28
  Rebecca Terrell: We're going to call it comprehensive planning or smart growth.
• 22:32
  Rebecca Terrell: And they did it.
• 22:35
  Rebecca Terrell: Their NGOs, funded by our tax dollars.
• 22:38
  Rebecca Terrell: The NGOs from the United Nations came in with all the glossy print and everything.
• 22:42
  Rebecca Terrell: They approached county commissioners and city councilmen all across our country.
• 22:46
  Rebecca Terrell: They said, oh, look at all this sustainable development.
• 22:48
  Rebecca Terrell: We want to help you grow economically.
• 22:51
  Rebecca Terrell: And, of course, the city councilmen they don't know.
• 22:53
  Rebecca Terrell: They don't know that it's coming from the UN.
• 22:55
  Rebecca Terrell: It doesn't say Local Agenda 21.
• 22:57
  Rebecca Terrell: They specifically hid that name on purpose.
• 23:00
  Rebecca Terrell: So they're like oh yeah, this looks great.
• 23:04
  Rebecca Terrell: Every single city and county across this country.
• 23:07
  Rebecca Terrell: I challenge you to find one that does not have a UN-inspired comprehensive plan or smart growth plan.
• 23:14
  Rebecca Terrell: And you will find them by all the buzzwords, things like sustainable development and single-use cars and things like this, all the little buzzwords that are.
• 23:28
  Rebecca Terrell: We have to save Mother Earth and that's what we have to do.
• 23:31
  Rebecca Terrell: We have to go to our city councilmen, to our county commissioners.
• 23:34
  Rebecca Terrell: Show this documentary.
• 23:35
  Rebecca Terrell: This documentary will do the hard work for you, explain what's happening.
• 23:38
  Rebecca Terrell: This documentary will do the hard work for you.
• 23:39
  Rebecca Terrell: Explain what's happening.
• 23:40
  Rebecca Terrell: And then we need to get rid of these smart growth and comprehensive plans because they are implementing.
• 23:46
  Rebecca Terrell: They're already doing it.
• 23:48
  Rebecca Terrell: They're sectioning off certain areas of different cities around our country into 15-minute cities, again another brainchild of the UN.
• 23:59
  Rebecca Terrell: After the 2015 Paris climate conference, carlos Moreno introduced the 15-minute city concept, completely endorsed by the UN.
• 24:08
  Rebecca Terrell: They're even building 15-minute cities from the ground up.
• 24:11
  Rebecca Terrell: There's a project called the LEAP project outside Lebanon, indiana.
• 24:14
  Rebecca Terrell: It is L-E-A-P.
• 24:17
  Rebecca Terrell: You can go look it up online.
• 24:18
  Rebecca Terrell: It's funded by the Indiana Economic Development Commission, which has headquarters offices in China, europe and Israel.
• 24:27
  Rebecca Terrell: The Indiana Economic Development Commission.
• 24:30
  Rebecca Terrell: You can't make this stuff up.
• 24:32
  Rebecca Terrell: You can go on their website and find it.
• 24:33
  Rebecca Terrell: It's insane.
• 24:34
  Rebecca Terrell: So if you doubt the international origins of all of this, just don't take my word for it.
• 24:42
  Rebecca Terrell: Go look it up online.
• 24:42
  Dr.Robert Jackson: You can't see me, but I'm shaking my head back and forth in disgust.
• 24:46
  Rebecca Terrell: Right.
• 24:47
  Rebecca Terrell: So I mean this is, but this documentary is a great tool.
• 24:50
  Rebecca Terrell: It's very easy to watch I think you'll agree, it's inside an hour and we need to really expose this to our city councilmen and our county commissioners so they have their eyes wide open and they can see.
• 25:01
  Rebecca Terrell: Okay, we need to get rid of this and we need to implement something that's truly good for our safety, for our economic development and for our sovereignty.
• 25:11
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Well, now the video ended up on a positive note, so tell my listeners how that happened, because I was very encouraged when I finished listening to it.
• 25:19
  Rebecca Terrell: Absolutely.
• 25:20
  Rebecca Terrell: One thing that the farmers have all told me is that they are, even though they have had huge fights on their hand, they now realize what it means to really be American.
• 25:30
  Rebecca Terrell: They have come together, they have formed a family that they'll have for the rest of their lives and for future generations.
• 25:37
  Rebecca Terrell: This is their 1776 moment, so to speak, and it has really been character building.
• 25:46
  Rebecca Terrell: It's a wonderful exercise in patriotism and in the growth of local and regional families that fight for their true freedom, for their true liberty and for the freedom of future generations.
• 26:02
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Well, I could see we, the people, coming together on that documentary, as I saw just regular, average red-blooded Americans joining together at the precinct level, the county and state level, to defend their property and their family heritage.
• 26:20
  Dr.Robert Jackson: And it was a beautiful thing, and they won at multiple levels against this huge corporation and against judges and legislators that were arrayed against them, and I just rejoiced on their behalf.
• 26:35
  Dr.Robert Jackson: All right, now tell my listeners how they can get a hold of this video, this documentary.
• 26:39
  Rebecca Terrell: Yes, very simple Go to standyourground.
• 26:42
  Rebecca Terrell: watch.
• 26:45
  Rebecca Terrell: It's not com or net, it's standyourground.
• 26:48
  Rebecca Terrell: watch and you can watch it there for free until May 21st.
• 26:54
  Rebecca Terrell: It's going to be available for purchase.
• 26:56
  Rebecca Terrell: Afterwards.
• 26:57
  Rebecca Terrell: It's already available for purchase on DVD at jbsorg.
• 27:02
  Rebecca Terrell: That stands for John Birch Society, so jbsorg.
• 27:07
  Rebecca Terrell: So if you do want to purchase a DVD, you can do so there.
• 27:10
  Rebecca Terrell: But, again, while it's available for free, we're encouraging everybody.
• 27:13
  Rebecca Terrell: Share it with as many people as you possibly can.
• 27:15
  Rebecca Terrell: Every American needs to know what's in this documentary and especially, like I said, our city and councilmen and our sheriffs, our local sheriffs, everything.
• 27:26
  Rebecca Terrell: The battle here is being fought on the county level, very, very much so because they know the internationalists know that the way our founding fathers set up our government, so much power is rooted locally, and they did that on purpose, because we have a lot more control over our government if our government is headquartered at the local level.
• 27:47
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Nobody in a white hat and a white horse is coming to rescue us.
• 27:51
  Dr.Robert Jackson: If we don't do it ourselves at the county level, it's not going to happen, Right?
• 27:56
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Well, Ms Rebecca, I'm just pleased and delighted to hear about the documentary and I appreciate you coming to More Than Medicine to tell us about it.
• 28:06
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I encourage my listeners to go and obtain the documentary and watch it and share it with all your friends.
• 28:13
  Dr.Robert Jackson: I think it's very worth their while.
• 28:15
  Dr.Robert Jackson: All right, you're listening to More Than Medicine.
• 28:18
  Dr.Robert Jackson: My guest today is Rebecca Terrell with the New American.
• 28:22
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Miss Rebecca, thank you again for your time.
• 28:25
  Rebecca Terrell: Thank you so much, I appreciate it.
• 28:27
  Dr.Robert Jackson: All right, we'll be back again next week and until then, may the Lord bless you.
• 28:31
  Dr.Robert Jackson: Real good.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to this edition of More Than Medicine.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: For more information about the Jackson Family Ministry, dr Jackson's books, or to schedule a speaking engagement, go to their Facebook page, instagram or their webpage at jacksonfamilyministrycom.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: This podcast is produced by Bob Slone Audio Production at bobslone.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: com.