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There is still some good in the world · UK Column Radio

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Zooby again my friend, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Happy to be here man, how you doing?
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Dude, it's been a long time since we chatted you in South
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Africa and a lot has happened since then.
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Wink, wink. Seriously, dude, Seriously?
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Yeah, the past couple years have.
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The past five or six years have been a bit of a blur to be
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honest with you. I mean, 50% of it was somewhat
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taken away from us during due to the whole scam demic situation.
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But yeah, time is time is flying.
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And I think the older you get and the more years you've lived,
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the faster the perception of each year that passes by because
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it's a smaller percentage of your life.
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So I guess that's just going to keep moving in that way.
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Yes, but you are being very vague.
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I am referring to the arrival of your of your new offspring.
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It is amazing. It is amazing, man, and I feel
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very blessed. I'm happy to take on new roles
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as a as a husband and as a father.
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I've gone from 1:00 to 3:00 in the past couple of years in
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terms of my responsibilities and my duties.
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So it's a beautiful thing, man. Ultimately, it's what we are
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here for, if you really think about it.
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So it's feels good to continue on that chain and to be at the
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early phase of that. I'm looking forward to all of
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the ups and downs and the blessings and the challenges and
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everything that's going to come with parenthood, man.
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So it's an exciting time for me. Yeah, I love that you said that
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because I mean, a lot of what I do is very negative and cynical
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and pessimistic and the world doesn't have enough of people
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like you who who bring the counterbalance to all of that.
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Well, thank you. Just about an hour ago, before
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recording this, I was going through some of my notifications
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online, which I, I don't do all that often, but I sometimes I
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find very odd criticisms of myself.
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Sometimes, you know, I get, I get the usual stuff.
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But then I saw someone criticising me for being too
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positive. They said that I'm the epitome.
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They said, quote unquote, Zoobie is the epitome of toxic
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positivity. I was like.
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What is that? I, I read it a few times.
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I was like trying to understand it.
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I was like, OK, so the criticism is that I am so positive that
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it's toxic and apparently it negatively effects young people
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because I'm so positive. I'm like, OK, I don't really
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know how to square that one. But you know, I guess if that's
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what people are throwing at you, then I guess you're doing pretty
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well at that stage. Something that's really bugged
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me Zoby over the last few years is the amount of black pulled
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people that I see. Yeah, I 100% agree with you.
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And it's been trending in that direction for a long time.
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And I think the past decade has been, you know, it's been quite
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relentless over the past decade. I feel like the the psyops have
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been nonstop and there's just been a constant tension,
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increased polarisation every single year from about 2015,
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certainly up until 2024 and arguably up until now.
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There's been a thing, right? There's been a current thing.
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There's been something for people to be mad out, people to
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be divided over, people to be fearful of.
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And even when there's a temporary lull, seems like the
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mainstream media and even a lot of people on social media
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default back to certain narratives because there's
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certain narratives that are just like you can always get people
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jacked up over, right? So you've kind of got the IT
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went from global cooling to global warming to climate change
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to climate emergency to climate, does it right.
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Like, so when there's a bit of a lull, it's like, OK, let's freak
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people out about the climate again.
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You know, the sun is too hot, the oceans are going to boil.
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Everyone's going to die. We have 567 years to to sort it
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out. Otherwise it's going to be over.
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Or it can be, you know, the threat of another pandemic, or
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it can be, well, you know, well, we're on the brink of nuclear
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war and World War 3 is about to kick off.
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The the truth is you can always, there's always a narrative.
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There are always narratives that you can use to keep people
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living in fear because the world is full of positive and negative
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and it always has been. I mean, there's as long as human
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beings have existed, you can look at any history book and
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there has always been war. There's always been disease,
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there's always been the threat of famine.
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There's always been tribalism. There's always been that.
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That's just the nature of the world.
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Every single day, hundreds of thousands of people are born and
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hundreds of thousands of people die.
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And we're not really that conscious and aware of it for
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the most part, unless it's close to home, right?
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We don't sort of sense that about in an average year, sixty
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60 million people die per year, 60 million, and I don't know how
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many are born, maybe about 100 million, something like that.
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And we're not really conscious of it.
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We're not aware of it. Even when I say those
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statistics, it doesn't really register in our brain because
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they're such big numbers. It's just kind of like, OK, but
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that's just the nature of the world.
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So if you choose to focus on the negative, you're, there's an
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infinite amount of negative to focus on.
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Like you're not going to, you're especially if you're looking on
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an international scale, you're, you're never going to find a
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shortage of things to be upset about, things to be angry about,
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things to be worried about, things to be outraged about.
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But on the flip side, there's also so much beauty and so much
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love and so much positivity in the world.
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And I would actually say that the latter outweighs the former.
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And the reason why I say that is because if it weren't the case,
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I often make the point that I, I believe that most people are
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decent or at least trying to be. Because I know there are some
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people, you know, people who have been really black pilled,
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like to believe that most people are bad and that you can't give.
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Various. Yes, there that the majority of
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people, over 50% of people have bad intentions or they're
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malicious or they want to predate on you, something like
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that. And I know for a fact that that
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is not true. And the reason I know it's not
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true is because no society, no neighbourhood, no community, no
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nation would be able to remotely function if most people were
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bad. If the average you, you wouldn't
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be able to do anything. You wouldn't be able to walk
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around, you wouldn't be able to drive, you wouldn't be able to
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everything. Everything would, would just
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break down. The reality is, you know,
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there's a tiny percentage of people.
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Sadly, and again, this has always been the case, there's a
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small percentage of people who do most of the bad stuff.
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All right. Especially if you look at
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something like crime in most communities, like 1 to 2% of the
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population is going to be doing 80 to 90% of all of the crime,
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right? It might be like 1% of people do
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like 99% of the murders in any given country in any given
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community. That's just, that's just how it
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goes. But I think because we're so
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sensitive to negativity, probably as a survival
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mechanism, that there's always an inclination to focus on the
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scary stuff, on the bad stuff, on the negative stuff.
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And if, but if you do that too long, then then you lose sight
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of the goodness. And I think that's a dangerous
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place to be because that is when you get, you know, to use the
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term you said black pilled. And I think that's why I think
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that's why so many people are on that path, because for so many
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years there's they've just been all these narratives.
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It's just being pushed it it. There just hasn't been a break.
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There's been no, there's been no respite.
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And due to the interconnected nature that we of the world we
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now live in with social media and 24/7 news and just
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information streaming in from everywhere, our brains are not
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really wired to handle it like we're not meant to.
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We're not meant to know so much there.
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There's something great about the Internet being able to do,
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for example, what we're doing right here, but our ancestors
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were not dealing with a constant stream of information of not
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just what's happening around them, but what's happening all
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over the globe. No matter where you live,
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whether you're in South Africa or the United Arab Emirates or
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the UK or Australia, within minutes, you can be aware of
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every bad thing that's happening.
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And also you can see everyone's opinions about it and people's
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arguing with each other and all this back and forth.
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And we're, we're just not designed for it.
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We've had this for what, 20 years, not even, not even 20
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years. So our, our grandparents didn't
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have to deal with this. Our great grandparents didn't.
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None of our ancestors ever had to deal with this level of
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information. And we're very new to it.
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And I don't think most people are.
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Most people aren't good at handling it.
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And most people are also not good at setting the philtres so
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that they can somewhat control we.
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We all do have the ability to control it, but most people
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aren't very good at doing that. And I think that because even
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the the negativity and the outrage can still create a
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dopamine hit. People can also get addicted to
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negativity. People don't just get addicted
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to positive feelings. People also can get addicted to
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negative feelings. It's why doom scrolling exists,
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right? People are quite literally
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scrolling, scrolling looking for something that's going to anger
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them, something that's going to trigger them, something that
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they could react to and respond to the next person they can
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shout out online. And you know, it just happens.
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And oftentimes if you're a public figure, sometimes you'll
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be that person, right? You're just that person who
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comes across their feed at the time when they're feeling angry
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and you know, they, they, they, they start smashing their
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keyboard and, you know, yelling at you.
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And sometimes you're a bit like, whoa, this is a bit of a, it's a
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bit of a disproportionate response to, to what I was
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saying, but it just comes with the territory, man.
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So that's why in light of it all, I, I always strive to, I
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try to, I try to bring a lot more light than any darkness
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because you know, that that's been my goal for the past 20
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years. It's it's why my music is
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positive. It's why I try to keep my social
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media generally upbeat. My, there's enough people out
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there who are, if people are looking for the bad stuff there,
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it's not hard to find. It's there, right?
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It's there. I don't need to be adding to it
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anymore. I'd much rather try to at least
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in some way inspire, motivate people.
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Yeah, I do my best, man. But Zooby, that's toxic.
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All right, we've, we've now come to the conclusion we're trying
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to uplift people and and see the good.
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It's toxic. You know, you walk, you walk
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through a through a field and you see a beautiful waterfall in
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a rainbow. That's disgusting.
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That is disgusting. I mean, that's, that's that's
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how people have. I mean, this is what this is
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what's happened now to society. You even what you've just said.
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Now, I guarantee you somebody's going to have an issue with
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something you said. Of course, absolutely.
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And that's fine, you know, But that doesn't reflect on me, that
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reflects on them. If you want to be you like
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everything can be criticised. That waterfall in the rainbow
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that you just talked about, there are people who would get
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mad at you for mentioning that because you know what?
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Like some people, you know, not everyone has access to
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waterfalls and rainbows. There are children dying right
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now. There are bombs dropping.
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How dare you? How dare you appreciate that
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when there are so many people suffering in the world?
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Or you know what, you bigot? You're an ableist because some
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people are blind and some people can't see.
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Not everyone is able to. Some people have never been able
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to see a rainbow. And you're a bigot because
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you're appreciating this rainbow, being totally unaware
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of the fact that some people are blind.
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So how dare you, you know, or why a rainbow?
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You know, some people would rather have a some people would
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rather have a mountain. Some people would rather have
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this, right. So, you know, you're saying you
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like rainbows maybe. Does that mean that you hate
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rivers? You know, like I, I don't know,
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people are strange. You can say you like cats and
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someone will accuse you of hating dogs and that's just how
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some people are. But it's the Internet, you know,
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I don't, I don't take it too seriously.
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You have to have some humour in it.
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But I wonder why it's become like that.
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I mean, for all these warts, Jordan Peterson probably was
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right about how the Internet has accelerated sociopathic
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behaviour. Yes, I think it, I think it's
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correct and it's exposed us to it because look, in the real
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world we philtre who we interact with quite heavily actually.
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You're not just like friends and acquaintances with everybody.
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And on the Internet, if you put something out online, billions
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of people have access to it. Literally billions of people you
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could write a post on, whether it's a YouTube video or it's a
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podcast or it's an ex post or an Instagram post or something on
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Facebook. If you post it publicly, there
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are billions of people who potentially have access to it.
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Whereas in the real world, if you say something, you're having
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a conversation, you, you're naturally filtering who you're
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having those conversations with. And so you just get all sorts.
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I mean, even online, I mean, it, it's kind of funny how we're
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doing this because again, we are focusing on the small percentage
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of very angry, very bitter, perhaps even sociopathic people
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out there. But if I post something online,
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I mean 90%, ninety to 95% of the comments and the reactions are
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positive. It doesn't even matter what it
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is, unless I'm posting something that's like very, very, very
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controversial, 95% of my interactions are extremely
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positive. But you know how it is, you get
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100 comments and even if a hundred of them are saying great
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job or that was awesome, or I like you or I respect you.
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The one that stands out to us is the critical one or is the one
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where someone is insulting or the one where someone is just
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being nasty for, for no reason. That's just the way our brains
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we're just, we're just naturally sensitive to it.
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So it sort of stands out in the pile.
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But you know, I, I don't want to people to get it twisted.
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The vast majority of it is positive.
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I'm sure with what you do, the majority of the feedback you get
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is positive. You, I, I don't think you'd be
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able to do what you do for as long as you've done it.
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If the majority of the feedback you received was negative.
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I, I don't think you'd be able to go for years and years.
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I mean, you'd be, you'd be a bit like, why am I even doing this
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if that were the case? So, you know, that's, that's,
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that's how it is. And the bigger your audience is,
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the more you get exposed to every single corner of the
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Internet. There, there are types of human
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beings that I didn't even know existed until I started using
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social media and in particular when I started growing a bigger
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platform because I'd see things and I'm like, I have never in
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my, in the real world, I don't have conversations with people
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like this. Like I don't come across this
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type of person or this type of mentality.
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But if a million people see something, then, you know, even
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if just 0.1% of the people who see it are a little bit, are not
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in, are not in a great state, that is still many, many
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thousands of people. So, you know, it's just how it
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goes. Yeah, but I mean, adding to what
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you're saying, social media is also just a microcosm of the
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real world. I'll tell you what, Jeremy, I've
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been over. I've been to 45 countries now
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and I have never. I've never been to a country
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that was accurately represented by traditional or social media.
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Never, not once. There's not one nation I've been
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to where I'm like, oh, OK, this is totally in line with the
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stuff I see, the stuff I've seen on the TV or read in the
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newspapers or seen online. Because I often make the point
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that normal doesn't go viral. Normal doesn't make the news
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you're you're never going to see in the news.
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Oh, it was a sunny day in Cape Town and everybody got on with
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each other and people went to work and looked after their
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families and like just live their life That that's not news.
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But if something freaking crazy happens, right?
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If in the city of millions of people, one person goes out
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there and does something heinous or does something crazy, then
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boom, that's what makes the news.
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That's what goes viral. That's what's getting millions
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and millions of eyeballs. So when that happens multiple
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times and it doesn't matter the city, it doesn't matter the
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country, it doesn't matter the region, that's what people see.
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So there are people who 80% of what they see from South Africa
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is negative, right? They're, they're, they could be
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chilling in California and every time they see or they hear about
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South Africa, it's something negative.
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It's Oh my gosh, like, look at this, Oh my gosh, look at this
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murder, look at this assault. Oh my gosh, this person just got
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robbed. Oh my gosh, look at what this
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politician just said. Look at that.
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And it's different for you because you're, you're in the
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country. So you see that, but you also
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see the normal, you also see the good.
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So you can, you can scale it in your brain and be like, OK, this
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maybe this does exist or maybe this is a problem or this is a
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threat, but there's also all of this.
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So it's much more balanced. And it's the same in every
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country. I mean, when I'm in the US, I'll
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get people who are like, Oh my gosh, I'm seeing what's going on
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in the UK. Like it looks crazy.
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Like every, every time I see the UK in the news, it's, you know,
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people being arrested over tweets or it's, it's it's
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grooming great gangs or it's like this terrorist that, you
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know, there was a terrorist attack some weeks ago or
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whatever, because that's all they see.
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And then if I'm in the UK and I'm talking to people, I'm like,
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oh, yeah, I just came back from the US and they're like, Oh my
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gosh. Like it's crazy there.
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It seems like they're just having shootouts all the time.
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All the police are racist. You can't even send the kids to
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school because there's all these like school shooters and you
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know, everything with, you know, Trump and this and this.
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And it's just like I, I, I, it's, it's weird because I, I
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travel a lot, right? And I've met, I meet people in
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every country who are afraid to travel to other countries
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because of this. So there are a lot of people
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right now who I'm sure, like, I'm sure if I post it tomorrow,
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like, hey, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to South Africa.
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I'm going to go to South Africa for a week.
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There will be people who are like, don't go, don't go, right?
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Like I just saw such and so and they'll and they'll send me
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links and they'll send me videos and they like do be like don't
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go. If I say I'm going to the US, if
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I say I'm going to Los Angeles, people like no, no, no, don't,
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don't go to Los Angeles, right? Don't.
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And it, it, it happens everywhere, like I live in
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Dubai. And if, you know, you just
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mentioned Dubai, people are like, Oh my gosh, like what
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about this? And again, people will send you
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articles. They'll find the worst things
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that have happened in Dubai in the last 10 years and they'll
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start sending you articles and links to try to prove to you
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that it's dangerous or that you know something bad is going to
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happen to you. And I'm just like, guys, there
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is, you could do this for every country on the planet, right?
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Except maybe like Vatican City or maybe like Liechtenstein or
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somewhere with like 10 people. You, you can find hundreds, if
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not thousands of, if not millions of horror stories.
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Like this is just how it is. And I don't know, man, it's a,
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it's a bit of a shame. But I I'd like to think that
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every single day I at least can try to like nudge people in a
20:04
direction that's a bit more in line with reality.
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And where people can feel like they can live their lives,
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because one, one of the biggest problems with the black Pilling
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is that it stops people from living their lives.
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It's very similar to part of my problem with the whole pandemic
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narrative from 2020 to 2022. They terrified people so much
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that people stopped. People were so afraid of getting
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sick that they stopped living right?
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They so there are people who like for two to three years,
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they basically put their life on hold.
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They stopped seeing their friends, they stopped seeing
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their family. They stopped showing their face
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in public. Quite literally, they stopped
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like all the travelling, all the hobbies, all the things that
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they normally would do. They stopped.
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And because they were so fearful, to this day, there are
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still people living in fear because of COVID, which is
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insane. Like life, life is to be lived.
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And the reality is that everything in life has an
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element of risk. Every single thing, it doesn't
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matter, even even in action has risk.
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If I say I'm not going to do anything, I'm just going to stay
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in my just going to stay in my apartment and I'm not even going
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to go outside that that has risk with it.
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If I say I'm going to get in my car and drive somewhere, that
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has a risk. If I say I'm going to travel
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somewhere, if I'm going to meet up with someone, If you're going
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to be in a relationship with someone, you're going to have
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children there. Everything has risks.
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There's risks to not having children, There's risks to
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having children. There's risks to getting
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married. There's risks to not getting
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married. There's risks to travelling,
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there's risks to not. It's just like, man, you know,
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at the end of the day, you have to live your life.
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And I don't recommend people take ridiculous risks that are
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just reckless, right? People shouldn't be reckless.
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And if someone's going to travel, I would always advise
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like people to be, to be smart, especially if you're going
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somewhere that's, you know, has got a bit bit more, you know, is
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a bit more dangerous, for example, like take, take the
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necessary precautions and be smart, but don't just be so
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afraid of life and, and all the people in the world that you
22:15
just don't experience anything. I think it's sad for someone to
22:17
get to the age of, I don't know, 4050607080 and you've spent your
22:22
entire life just like in one little corner, literally and
22:26
figuratively, because you were so afraid or sceptical about the
22:31
rest of the world. It's a shame, I think I.
22:34
Mean there obviously is a degree of of healthiness in some
22:41
paranoia. I mean, you need to be a little
22:45
bit paranoid. Like if you, if you don't know
22:47
South Africa and you come here thinking that it's as safe as to
22:50
why you, you're a fool. Yes.
22:53
But it's not. Sorry, Carrie.
22:55
Go on, Carrie. No, I was going to say, but it's
22:58
not. It's not a Wild West.
23:00
Yeah, I I wouldn't even call that.
23:02
I wouldn't even call that paranoia though, Jeremy, because
23:04
paranoia is an extreme. Being paranoid is, is by
23:08
definition an extreme position. You should be cautious.
23:12
You should be vigilant. You should be St smarts, you
23:17
should be, you should be wise, but you don't need to be
23:20
paranoid. I mean, paranoid is those are
23:23
the people who are, you know, wearing 5 masks every day and
23:25
taking every single dose of vaccine and not going out.
23:28
Like that's paranoia. Like you're so that's the level
23:31
of paranoia, right? Normal precaution would just be
23:33
like, OK, like I'm going to go about my life and I'm just going
23:36
to take reasonable paranoia is refusing to drive a car or get
23:40
on a plane because you're afraid of car accidents and plane
23:43
accidents. That's paranoia.
23:46
Precaution is buckling your seat belt and driving carefully and
23:53
obeying the signs and just just being generally aware like that.
23:58
That's smart, but paranoia is paranoia is too far.
24:00
Paranoia stops you from living your life.
24:04
And it's very important to wake up in the morning with a sense
24:07
of purpose or meaning. Agreed 100%.
24:10
It's critically important because if you don't have that,
24:15
if if you don't have that, and everyone does, by the way, but
24:18
not everyone is tapped into it. But if you feel like you don't
24:22
have that, then that's where depression sets in.
24:24
And at an extreme end, that's when people, you know, develop
24:28
actual suicidal thoughts and tendencies.
24:30
Because ultimately you have to believe that the future has the
24:36
potential to be better than the present.
24:40
That's essentially what hope is. Hope is basically believing that
24:43
the future is going to be better than the present, so no matter
24:49
what you're going through, no matter what your life looks
24:51
like, you can keep on going because you have that hope.
24:56
Black Pilling, being black pilled is essentially an entire
25:00
removal of hope. And you just believe that, OK,
25:03
well, the future is going to be worse than the past and the
25:07
present no matter what I do, So therefore, why bother, Right.
25:13
That is that that's nihilism. It's just like, well, what's
25:16
the, what's the point? Like, what's the point of going
25:18
to work and making money? What's the point of being having
25:22
relationships and raising a family?
25:24
And like, what's the point of any of it if no matter what I
25:28
do, things are just going to crap anyway?
25:32
That's a very, very dangerous mindset for people to have.
25:36
Yeah, it's an awful mindset for people to have.
25:38
So I, I think it's imperative that those of us with a platform
25:43
and even those who don't, those who don't have a big platform,
25:47
just just guard against that. I think it's a temptation.
25:50
I think the demoralisation is one of the most powerful weapons
25:54
in the devil's arsenal. And I think part of the reason
25:57
is because it's very subtle. It's a very, it tends to be a
26:01
very slow and long process and it's very subtle.
26:04
It's not obvious in in your face and it causes you to defeat
26:09
yourself because if you don't, if, if you don't think you can
26:13
win, you've essentially already lost.
26:16
Like if you do not believe that you have the power and the
26:20
capability to improve your life or to do something that's
26:25
valuable in the world, then you, you're, you're kind of right,
26:31
right. Like whether you believe it or
26:32
you don't, you're, you're correct.
26:33
Does that make sense? Yes, but I mean, it's also
26:39
pointlessness and and which is a very, it's a very, very
26:43
unhealthy place to be. I mean, and to some degree
26:46
everybody gets Blackpooled at some point.
26:48
Like let's say somebody very close to you dies and then you
26:50
go, well, I don't understand. They were a good person that
26:53
shouldn't have died. Why do the bad people not die,
26:58
you know, and the good people get taken, that kind of thing.
27:00
We need to be realistic about the human condition.
27:03
And the human condition is that we're all born, we're all, we
27:07
all live. We don't know how much time.
27:10
If you're lucky, it might be, you know, at the absolute,
27:13
absolute, absolute extreme maximum, it'll be hundred 15120
27:17
years. More likely, it's going to be
27:20
more, more more likely it's going to be somewhere between,
27:23
let's say, 75 and 100. Yeah.
27:27
And and then we die. I personally believe in the
27:31
afterlife. I don't believe that this
27:32
relatively short time we have on this earth is the be all and end
27:35
all. There are people who believe
27:36
that. And of course, such people do
27:38
tend to be more prone to depression and anxiety and
27:41
nihilism. That's not my personal belief.
27:45
But ultimately, like that's, that's the human condition.
27:48
Everybody that we know and love is going to get sick and is
27:52
going to die. Everyone, everyone brothers,
27:56
sisters, parents, grandparents, sons, daughters, certainly as
28:00
parents, you know, you want to go, every parent wants to go
28:03
before their children do. Sadly, that does not always
28:06
happen. And that's the human condition.
28:10
And you you could look at that. I can totally empathise with how
28:13
someone could just look at the state of humanity and be like,
28:16
man, this is a bit of a raw deal.
28:18
Like this kind of sucks. Like we're born into the earth.
28:20
We don't choose to be born. We just are born into whatever
28:24
circumstances. And then life is tough and
28:27
there's accidents and there's crime and there's tragedies and
28:31
there's sickness and then we all die at the end of it.
28:34
I can see how someone could look at that in a shallow way and be
28:36
like, yeah, like what's the point of it all?
28:40
That is absolutely not my worldview, but I could see how
28:42
someone could look at it like that.
28:45
But I think we need to be realistic and then think, OK, to
28:48
me, I'm, I'm very, very conscious of mortality, very
28:52
hyper conscious of mortality. And that makes me more positive
28:56
and more motivated because I recognise I'm going to die and
29:02
everybody I know and I love and I care about is also going to
29:05
pass away. Like this is this is temporary.
29:07
We don't have this forever. When I talk to my family
29:10
members, especially, especially as they get older, right?
29:12
If you, if someone is listening to this and you're still blessed
29:14
to have your parents around, you're still blessed to, you
29:16
know, have your, I don't have, thankfully my, I have my parents
29:19
still with me. All of my parents, all of my
29:20
grandparents have passed away. Probably about 50% of my uncles
29:24
and aunties have passed away, but of course, new life has come
29:27
into the family as well. And I just recognise like, you
29:31
know, we don't have this forever.
29:32
So treat people well, don't hold grudges.
29:35
If you've got a dream, if you've got something that you want to
29:38
achieve, like what, what are you waiting for?
29:41
What are you, what are you procrastinating for?
29:43
Like go out, go out there and do it because we, we don't have
29:45
forever. I, I hope and I pray and I do my
29:48
best to make sure that I'm going to be alive for the next several
29:51
decades, but it's not guaranteed.
29:54
I know many people, I've had friends, I've had family members
29:57
who didn't make it to my age. Most of us have that right.
30:02
And the older you get, the more death that you see.
30:05
And so I think if you are cognizant of that and you sort
30:09
of frame it the right way, it becomes a bigger motivator to to
30:13
do things and to live your life with meaning and with purpose
30:16
and to actually treat people kindly because you recognise,
30:19
you know what, like this, this is just temporary.
30:22
Every time I interact with someone, there is some
30:25
probability that it's the last time I'll interact with them.
30:30
That, that, that that's, that's possible, right?
30:32
That that's possible. And so therefore I'm not into
30:34
like holding stupid grudges or like just being mad and
30:38
resentful at people over like some really minor thing.
30:41
I'm just like, whatever I, I don't have, I don't have the
30:43
time or the energy for that. If someone wants to feel that
30:47
way towards me, that's a shame. And I, I hope that they don't,
30:51
but I'm not going to give them a good reason to and I'm not going
30:54
to hold that the other way towards them.
30:56
I'm sure there's someone out there who's got like holding
30:58
some grudge against me and I don't even know why.
31:00
And they're kind of stewing on it.
31:02
Then I'm not conscious because you're.
31:04
Positive. It's because you're positive and
31:06
that's toxic. Yeah, it's, it's a weird one,
31:10
man. It's a weird one.
31:11
Like, I don't know, I like to think, I would like to believe
31:14
that I generally have a healthy mindset and I don't, I don't
31:18
know how common that is. And so I like to at least
31:22
explain to people and kind of show people what I think and
31:26
why, why I think and believe what I think and believe because
31:30
I do believe that it serves me well.
31:31
I think it serves the people who are around me well.
31:33
I think it serves my audience and my followers well because
31:38
there's also a lot of responsibility with it, man.
31:40
I mean, it's, it's kind of crazy to think that there are over 2
31:44
million people have voluntarily chosen to follow me online on
31:48
one of these platforms. That's a lot of people.
31:53
And with that, it's a lot of responsibility.
31:56
It's one thing when you're kind of posting into the into the
31:59
ether and no one is, no one is paying attention, no one is
32:02
reading, no one is listening, no one is watching.
32:04
But when you know, hey, like there are millions of people of
32:07
all ages from children up until elderly people who are on a
32:14
daily basis, at least on a weekly basis or paying attention
32:16
somewhat to what you're doing. I, I, I take that with a level
32:20
of seriousness. And it doesn't mean that I
32:23
censor myself or I try to sort of play to the audience or crowd
32:27
or something. But I, it, it doesn't mean that
32:29
I'm just conscious and I'm aware that I can use this platform.
32:34
I can use my words to actually cause quite significant damage
32:39
or do significant good. And I do my best to, I do my
32:44
best to do the latter. I'm not, I'm not perfect.
32:46
Nobody is, but you know, if you give, imagine that you're
32:50
standing in front of, imagine you're in like an arena or
32:53
you're outside and you have an audience of 1010 thousand,
32:59
50,100 thousand, 1,000,000. However many people see your
33:03
things online, right over the course of a year, like let's say
33:07
1,000,000 people, let's say 2 million people see your stuff.
33:09
Imagine like actually standing in front of that many people, 2
33:12
million, that's the size of a small nation.
33:15
All right. Imagine having those people in
33:17
front of you. Like what would you want to say
33:18
to them? Would you want to black pill
33:21
them? Would you want them to turn turn
33:25
against each other or turn against themselves?
33:27
Or would you want to, you know, teach them something or give
33:33
them a motivational message or just encourage them, Right,
33:37
right. What would you want to say to
33:38
them? So that's the way that I kind of
33:40
think of the audience that I do have.
33:42
It's weird because we're just on our phones or on our keyboards
33:45
and you, you can't see the people.
33:47
You sort of see the metric of, you know, X number of followers,
33:51
but and you can see the views and you can see how many
33:53
downloads and whatever it is. But I think if you imagine
33:56
these, these are all real people, like these are actual
33:59
human beings scattered around the earth.
34:01
If they were all in a room, I mean, that would be quite
34:04
terrifying to begin with. But yeah, what would I want to
34:07
tell them? What would be my message?
34:09
And so I, I, I do my best to think of it that way.
34:12
And when I, when I am veering off of it, I try to kind of come
34:16
back to what I'm saying here and really think again, if I all
34:19
right, what am I, what am I actually doing here?
34:22
Like, why am I, why am I standing here?
34:25
Why am I tweeting? Why am I podcasting?
34:28
Why am I writing? Why, why am I even doing this?
34:32
And that helps me to kind of recenter on my mission, which is
34:36
ultimately to positively inspire and motivate people.
34:40
And and also I'd say kind of just keep, keep people, try to
34:44
keep people grounded in reality as well in light of all the
34:48
things that we've been saying. A great way to UN Blackpool
34:52
yourself is having a child. Yes, because then suddenly
34:56
everything about life changes. Well, it's the embodiment of
34:59
hope, isn't it? I mean, part of the reason
35:04
you're, you're, you've probably seen a lot of people now talking
35:06
and I, you know, I've, I talked quite a bit about the, the fact
35:10
that pretty much every economically developed country
35:14
now has a, has a negative birth rate.
35:16
And one of the points that is rarely brought up is just the,
35:20
the impact of the black Pilling. The ultimate black Pilling is
35:24
the ultimate black Pilling is deciding consciously and
35:27
intentionally not to reproduce because you don't want to bring
35:32
children into quote unquote, this kind of world.
35:36
That is the ultimate that if you think, think of how deep that
35:39
is, like Satan has won at that point.
35:44
Like that is like the devil has won.
35:46
If the devil has convinced you, that has demoralised you to the
35:50
point that I'm not talking about infertility, I'm not talking
35:53
about like I'm not talking about that.
35:54
I'm talking about people who are consciously and explicitly,
35:58
actively saying I do not want to have children.
36:01
Why? Because I don't want to bring
36:04
them into this dark evil world. None of your ancestors who are
36:12
in your blood. Like if you think about every
36:14
single one of us walking this planet, we are part of an
36:17
unbroken chain of reproduction going back thousands, millions,
36:23
I don't know, however many years, whatever, however long
36:26
human beings have been around, we're part of an unbroken chain.
36:29
And so think you're so black peeled.
36:31
You're going to be the one. You're going to be the one who's
36:34
like, I'm ending this chain. It ends with me, right?
36:38
Your parents reproduced, your grandparents reproduced, your
36:40
great grandparents, your great great grandpa all the way, all
36:44
the way all the way back. And you're going to be the
36:46
person now in 2025 who's like, the buck stops with me.
36:49
It's over. That is like the ultimate black
36:53
Pilling. And millions of people in a lot
36:57
of different countries have come to that conclusion.
36:59
And I'll tell you what's even more absurd about it, Jeremy, is
37:01
that you cannot objectively tell me that we are worse off than
37:06
our great grandfathers and our great, great grand, right?
37:09
Like, come on, like what? You think survival now is harder
37:15
than it was 100 or 200 or 300 years ago?
37:17
Absolutely not. You think that there's more war
37:20
and more famine and more like whatever it is that is scary.
37:26
We actually pretty much have less of it now than we did
37:29
before. Even if you just go back 100
37:31
years, which isn't in the grand scheme of things that long ago.
37:35
Think of life in 1925 versus life in 2025.
37:39
And I would much, I'm much if, if I had a choice of choosing in
37:44
which era I could live despite all the problems that we have, I
37:47
would certainly pick 2025. And so, yeah, it's a, it's, it's
37:52
a big psyop and it's a, it's a shame.
37:54
Well a friend of mine asked me a few months ago if I would go
37:58
back to 2019 and I thought about it and my answer is no I
38:02
wouldn't. I'm happier post COVID.
38:05
Yes. Do you know what as well?
38:08
If you went back to 2019, it still means that you have to
38:11
live through 2020-2021. All you're doing is you're just
38:17
hitting rewind and then you're going to live through that crap
38:20
anyway. So like, you know, if you went
38:24
back, it means you're going to go through it all again.
38:28
No, but but you get what the meta question is.
38:31
I I do, but what I think of it, I'm like, yeah, I'm like, well,
38:34
that's not really a good question because I'm like, well,
38:37
you're not going to be, you're not going to be frozen in 2019,
38:41
all right? Time is still going to progress
38:43
and then you're going to go through all that garbage again.
38:46
So yeah, I'd rather be on the opposite end of it.
38:49
But I mean, just adding to the points you were making earlier,
38:52
one of the other Blackpool issues that that also bugs me a
38:56
lot actually, is this thing about being a gatekeeper or
39:00
controlled opposition. Have you heard, have you heard
39:02
these? Have you had these terms thrown
39:03
at you? It's ridiculous, of course,
39:07
because, because if you don't believe 100% of what that person
39:11
believes, you are therefore a gatekeeper.
39:14
You know, it's, it's the weirdest thing that you need to
39:17
be a mirror image of somebody in order to be, in their mind,
39:20
pure. Yeah.
39:22
And do you know, what I think has happened as well is, and I
39:26
said this at the time, and I think it's still proving to be
39:29
true now that we're a few years past it, a lot of people haven't
39:34
a lot, most people, I would say most people, I wouldn't even say
39:37
a lot of people, I would say the majority of people have not 100%
39:41
recovered from the COVID era. Regardless of whether someone
39:48
was like a true believer, 500 masks, 10 vaccines or a complete
39:54
sceptic, everybody is permanently changed.
39:59
People, people have lost trust. People have lost the ability to
40:02
tell. Truth from fiction to know who
40:06
to trust and to know who to try. A, a lot of stuff was damaged in
40:10
that time. Like people tend to focus on
40:12
the, the, the economics and the numbers, the, the things that
40:17
you can measure, right? There's the stats and the data.
40:19
People tend to focus on that. They don't tend to focus on the
40:23
psychological and societal impact of such a thing.
40:28
And something I've certainly found is on the more sceptical
40:33
side, right? On the side of the people who
40:35
are more questioning or in opposition to say, the lockdowns
40:39
and the mandates and all the narrative and so on, right?
40:42
I certainly fall on that front. It also can cause a type of like
40:47
psychosis or paranoia. So you have on one end where the
40:50
people who are just terrified of like the disease itself, right?
40:54
You have like the extremes on that and the we know the types
40:56
2020-2021 like the people who wanted to like we're.
41:00
All We're all going to kill Granny.
41:01
Yes, right. That's one form of hysteria, but
41:04
there's also another form of hysteria on the other end,
41:08
right. And neither, neither of those
41:11
sides of people have have recovered particularly well.
41:14
And part of the reason is because we, we never got any
41:17
answers, right. There was, there was no
41:19
accountability, nobody ever, you know, from the origin, from the
41:24
origin of the thing itself to the reason why the nation's
41:29
responded why they did and the reason why all these politicians
41:32
did what they did, the vaccine manufacturers, all we we still
41:35
don't really have any answers. Nothing's happened.
41:38
Yeah, no, no, nothing's happened.
41:39
There's been no accountability. Putin invaded Ukraine and people
41:43
just kind of switched the narrative and like, started
41:46
talking about something completely different.
41:47
So we never quite got those answers.
41:50
I know for a fact I I'm changed because of it.
41:53
I'm not as trusting of the average person as I used to be,
41:57
I don't think. Yeah, me too.
41:58
Me too. Yeah, exactly right.
42:00
So I, I, I'm not, I'm not excluding myself when I say that
42:05
everybody has changed somewhat. And I think that's part of it.
42:09
So I think with the people who are like more on the sceptical,
42:12
like the sceptical end of it. And there are degrees to that.
42:16
So much trust was broken that they, they quite literally don't
42:21
know who to trust. So someone who is on the very
42:25
far end of that, they might be hearing me talking right now and
42:28
they're like, he's like, you know, he must be on, you know,
42:33
he's, he must be one of the, I don't know what part, I don't
42:36
know who's funding him or what organisation he's part of or
42:39
like this or this, but he's got to be.
42:41
He's controlled opposition, yeah.
42:43
Like, dude, I, I, I, I've, I've heard it all right.
42:47
I've heard I'm part of this group.
42:48
I'm part of that group. I'm secretly funded by this
42:50
person. I'm talking and, and you know,
42:53
and it, it's just like, boy, like, you know, take, as Michael
42:58
Malice says, right? Take one or two red pills, but
43:00
don't, don't take the entire, right, like don't take the
43:03
entire container because then you, you, you, you can't like,
43:07
like you can't trust anybody. Anyone who's not like as extreme
43:11
as you and as mistrusting is, you suddenly now becomes your
43:15
enemy and you can't even have allies because it's just like,
43:17
Nope, I can't trust. I can't trust anyone.
43:20
And that's just, that's just as limiting a position as the
43:24
person who is wearing 3 masks and holed up in their apartment
43:28
in a bubble because they don't want to, they don't want to,
43:31
they don't want to catch COVID. Like it's just as it's, it's
43:35
just as soul damaging because you, it just breaks the human
43:39
interaction. And you, it's good to have some
43:41
degree of scepticism, right? Like I'd be, I'd be the first to
43:45
say that, but there are levels. And when you're just going to
43:49
start inventing narratives in your head and connecting dots
43:52
that don't even exist because you are so deep down, I think
43:56
it's time to, you know, just come up for some air and go
44:00
outside in the world and live your life and you'll, you'll,
44:02
you'll see it's OK. Yeah, go for a walk, have a
44:05
glass of whiskey or something. Yeah, yeah, or or in your case
44:10
non alcoholic. Non alcoholic?
44:12
Yeah. Go to the gym.
44:13
How? Long.
44:14
How long has that been now? No drinking.
44:17
Yeah. I last had a drink 15 years ago.
44:22
Yes, that is inspiring. Yeah, yeah, My last drink I was
44:29
23. It's.
44:30
My voice. Oh, really?
44:32
I really, I mean, come on, you've been here.
44:34
I love, I love a glass of wine. I got it's very, it's a glass of
44:39
wine of ice. I don't think so.
44:41
Anyway, I want to just quickly horseshoe back to what you were
44:44
saying earlier because it is, it made me think of of when I
44:46
travelled to China last year. And this is the it's just so
44:53
absurd. I come back and I go, you know
44:55
what guys? It's not what you think it is.
44:58
It's not what you see in the media.
45:01
German working for China, germs funded by China.
45:07
It's ridiculous. You can't win.
45:09
Zoe, you can't. Win.
45:11
No, no, you, you can't. You're just supposed to sit in
45:13
your house and tweet angrily and write angry YouTube comments and
45:20
be mad on Reddit and just, yeah, like don't.
45:23
Is it? Is it at all possible?
45:25
Is it at all possible that China is not this totalitarian
45:29
communist hell hole that that that X has made it out to be?
45:34
Well, maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a bit better than
45:37
that. No, no, you can't say that.
45:39
You can't say that. I'll tell you something else
45:41
I've noticed Jeremy is that most people, it doesn't matter
45:44
whether they're British, American, South African, Saudi
45:48
Arabian, Nigerian, it doesn't matter Chinese, most people
45:54
would not like outsiders to judge their nation based on its
46:00
government. Most people don't want that.
46:04
Absolutely the the typical American would not like it if
46:07
does not like it when or would not like it if non Americans
46:11
based their view on the USA and Americans based on the actions
46:15
of the gut their governments over the past few decades.
46:19
And most Americans would say that that is not an accurate
46:22
gauge of the USA. And this is true of all
46:25
countries. However, when it comes to
46:28
looking at other nations, particularly ones you have not
46:30
been to, people like to judge them based not just on their
46:34
government, but the worst aspects of their government.
46:38
OK, so if if you said, you know what, I went to China and I had
46:42
a great time and people were nice and the cities were
46:45
beautiful, someone will be like, well, Oh my gosh.
46:50
But like the CCP did this and this and this and you're like,
46:54
well, I'm not talking about the I'm not talking about the
46:58
Communist Party. I'm talking about like the
47:00
country, like the 1.2 billion people and all of these cities
47:05
and the countryside and the food and the culture and all of that.
47:10
And so I find that people use like very unjust scales when it
47:13
comes to their own nation versus other ones.
47:17
OK, Like imagine if someone said I, I don't know, like if someone
47:22
were to just think of like the USA is a great example because
47:25
the US government is involved in like everything.
47:29
They've got all their 800 military bases around the world
47:32
and pretty much every foreign conflict that you can name,
47:35
they're somehow involved in it. So if someone was like, you know
47:39
what? I don't like the USA or
47:40
Americans because of like it's not hard to it's not hard to
47:44
list the sins of the American government over the last few
47:48
last century. But I think some it would be
47:51
reasonable to say like, you know what?
47:52
Like that's not really a fair like.
47:55
I mean, we can firstly ask the question of how well the
47:57
government even represents the population.
48:00
I'd say in most countries not particularly well.
48:04
And I'd also say that we as citizens know that we don't
48:07
really have all that much control over it.
48:10
Even in a so called democracy. It's not like I'm, it's not like
48:14
I have a say or power over what the Prime Minister of the UK
48:18
decides to do or what the parliament does.
48:20
Like I have 0 control over it. So I would find it pretty crazy
48:23
if someone decided that they don't like British people or
48:27
they hate the UK because, I don't know, Tony Blair got
48:31
involved in the Iraq war or whatever.
48:33
Or we can go back further colonisation, right?
48:35
Like that's a big one. So that's why I'm in South
48:38
Africa. Yeah, it is like, like, I didn't
48:41
do that, you know what I mean? Like, like, hopefully it's kind
48:44
of obvious, right? But like, I wasn't like exactly
48:46
involved in you. You can only reach the people
48:55
that you can reach. And everyone's on a different
48:59
time scale. There are some people who
49:00
there's, they're just going to be ignorant their entire lives
49:03
and they're just not interested in learning.
49:06
They're not interested in expanding their mind, certainly
49:08
not changing their mind. And you just kind of have to
49:11
like chalk that up as a lot but as a loss.
49:14
But, but there are billions of people.
49:16
There are so many people out there who are genuinely
49:19
intellectually curious and they're at least somewhat open
49:22
minded and they're interested in learning about the world and
49:25
different countries and different types of people.
49:27
And I would say that I would like to think that that's the
49:32
majority of people. And so those people you can at
49:35
least, even if they're not going to like agree with you totally,
49:39
you can at least offer a different perspective.
49:41
So that they, I, I, I like to think of people's worldview as
49:45
like, as like a resolution knob. And one reason why I like travel
49:52
and I encourage people to travel is because I believe it
49:54
increases your resolution. OK, so before you went to China,
49:58
you have like a fuzzy, you have a fuzzy low resolution view of
50:02
what it's like. You have some idea because
50:04
you've probably read some stuff, you've probably met people from
50:06
there. You've probably.
50:08
CNN doesn't lie. No, but, but you have some view,
50:11
but it's low resolution. And then you travel there and
50:13
you know the more you spend time and the more you actually meet
50:15
people and go around, you increase the resolution.
50:18
Before I ever went to South Africa, first time I stepped
50:20
foot in the country was 2023. Before I ever went to South
50:24
Africa, I had some, I had an idea of it.
50:27
I've met, I went to school and have friends from South Africa.
50:31
I've read about the country. I've looked up to different
50:34
cities on Wikipedia or on YouTube and seen people travel.
50:37
Like I've spoken to people from there.
50:38
But then actually being there, going to Johannesburg, going to
50:41
Cape Town, spending a few weeks in the country and then going
50:43
back another time. You know, my, my view is more, I
50:47
have a better resolution view. It's not as good as yours.
50:49
You live there, you're from there.
50:50
So you have a higher resolution view of South Africa than than I
50:54
do? Absolutely.
50:56
But I have a higher resolution view than someone who's never
50:59
stepped foot in the nation and they're just seeing a few things
51:03
passing by, maybe on their Instagram feed here and there.
51:07
And that's why I think it's good for people to travel, not not
51:10
just abroad, but even within your own country, even within
51:13
your own country. There's a lot to see, there's a
51:15
lot to learn. There's different cultures,
51:17
there's different types of people.
51:18
And at a minimum, you can at least just get a better
51:21
understanding of the world. You might still decide that, you
51:25
know, you are totally happy where you are and living the way
51:29
that you want to live, but at least you can understand how
51:32
other people live and why they believe what they believe, why
51:37
they do the things that they do. And, and you can also see that,
51:41
you know, human beings are, we do have a lot of differences in
51:44
many ways, individually and collectively.
51:46
But when you travel a lot and you've met a lot of people, you
51:50
do realise like most people want quite similar things.
51:57
Most people are. People don't want, yeah, most
52:00
people don't want to fight. No.
52:02
Oh, absolutely not. Again, if they did you, if they
52:04
did, civilization wouldn't function.
52:08
You. You wouldn't be able to do
52:09
anything. Like you, you, you really would
52:10
not be able to function if most people were aggressive or
52:15
criminal or violence or like you wouldn't be able to do anything.
52:19
You just have to stay in your house and huddle up with a bunch
52:22
of guns in a bunker, like waiting for someone to come and
52:27
attack you. And fortunately, you know, we
52:30
maybe there's a time and a place for that, but that's not a
52:33
that's not an everyday scenario. You know, not a lot of people
52:38
have been to North Korea for obvious reasons.
52:40
But I would imagine that most people in North Korea are like,
52:44
you know, like decent hard working people.
52:46
Like I'd imagine, I'd imagine they're not, I'd imagine they're
52:49
not that different to South Koreans.
52:50
They're probably just, they're obviously they're going to be
52:52
more, more ignorant and naive about the world because of the
52:55
actions of their government. But they're still people.
52:58
They probably want to work. They probably want to look after
53:01
their kids. They probably want to get
53:03
married and find love. You know, they probably want to
53:06
eat food and drink clean water and just do normal human things.
53:12
I kind of want to go there though.
53:13
It's like a weird bucket list thing.
53:15
North Korea. Yeah, I hear that.
53:17
I know a couple people who have been.
53:20
I know one person all I mean, I know of, I mean I've spoken to
53:23
him, but I don't he's not like a friend, but I mean, I don't know
53:26
really of anybody. I think Michael Mattis, you
53:28
mentioned earlier, he's been there.
53:29
Yeah, he's been. Yeah, I would like to, I'll tell
53:32
you that. Like that's one of the only
53:34
countries in the world where I might not go like as in as in
53:45
it's it's, it's probably, it might be the only country where
53:51
due to like genuine safety concerns, I'd be like, yeah,
53:56
maybe like I just maybe I just wouldn't go there.
54:01
I don't know, though. I'm like you.
54:03
I have a bit of a morbid curiosity about it.
54:05
Like I'd say literally every, every other country in the
54:07
world, I'd be like, yeah, I'd go there.
54:09
Like if someone gave me a free ticket, there's places that I
54:12
wouldn't go just kind of like solo by myself without knowing
54:16
the lay of the land, right. But if it's like, OK, cool.
54:18
Like someone could show me around and I'd have some, you
54:22
know, in some places, I guess actual security.
54:25
But in other places, just like guidance, you know, there's most
54:29
places I travel, you know, by myself, whatever others, I'm
54:33
like, yeah, I travel with some precautions, like we were saying
54:35
earlier, but yeah, North Korea. But I, I, you know what I'd
54:39
actually say that it would fall into the second category.
54:41
Like if I could be, if I would know that, OK, I'm not going to
54:44
be like imprisoned or like I, I don't, I don't know, like, like
54:48
if I could be if, if, if it could be guaranteed that I'm not
54:51
going to like get kidnapped by their government or something,
54:53
then I'd be like, yeah, absolutely I'd go.
54:55
But I do know that if you visit it, you can't, you, you can't
54:58
just kind of like travel around. It's all regimented and
55:01
regulated. You can't even leave the hotel
55:03
without permission. So yeah, I and you can only go
55:07
to the capital, right? You're not allowed to leave the
55:09
capital. So I don't know how much of A
55:11
theatre be able to see. Yeah, it would be curious to
55:13
actually go to like the smaller towns and villages and stuff,
55:17
but I don't think you can as a foreigner.
55:21
Something that I live by is a is a quote by Bruce Lee, and it
55:25
really feeds into what you've been talking about in this
55:27
conversation and that it goes something like this.
55:30
Take that which is valuable, discard that which is not, and
55:34
create what is uniquely yours. That's an interesting Bruce Lee
55:37
quote, because there's something I say that's very similar and I
55:41
I didn't invent it, but I often say eat the meat, spit out the
55:45
bones. So it's kind of, yeah, it's kind
55:49
of the same thing, right? Like take, take what you need
55:51
and discard of what is not, what is not helpful to you.
55:56
I think I have quite a lot of them.
55:59
Something I when it comes to interacting with other people, I
56:02
certainly always assume that I can learn something from
56:06
everybody. So I, I don't approach
56:12
conversations or interactions with the assumption that I know
56:16
it. It doesn't matter if the person
56:18
is older than me, younger than me, whatever.
56:19
Like there's five year olds who can teach me things.
56:22
So I always assume like you can learn something from everybody.
56:26
And so in some cases it'll be, you know, if the person is a
56:28
complete train wreck, it might be like learning what not to do
56:31
and learning how not to interact and how not, you know, learning
56:34
what a terrible mindset is and making sure you don't have it.
56:37
But you know, even on a more positive front, there's so much
56:41
knowledge in the world and there's so many experiences.
56:43
And everyone has, all of us have only ever lived our own lives,
56:47
all right, Since since we're born until the day we die, we
56:49
can only ever be us. And so for that reason, I'm
56:53
genuinely intrigued by people. Like everybody has a story.
56:57
Some people aren't great at telling it because they almost
57:00
like don't realise they have a story.
57:02
But I, I, I would like to believe that most people in the
57:05
world are interesting. Like it doesn't matter.
57:07
Like anyone you, you have a conversation with, if you are a
57:10
good conversationalist and you're an interested person,
57:15
then other people become interesting, right?
57:17
You can just talk to your taxi driver or your Uber driver or
57:21
the person cleaning the hotel that you're staying in or like
57:24
the person selling fruit in the market.
57:26
What I like, they've all got they, they, they don't just have
57:29
a story, they have stories. Everybody's got stories like,
57:33
you know, where did they grow up?
57:34
What was their family like their childhood?
57:37
Do they have children or not? If they do, like those are more
57:40
stories like, you know, what are your children doing?
57:42
Like what are they up to? Where have you travelled to?
57:47
What languages do you speak? Oh, interesting.
57:49
How did you learn to speak? Why do you speak that language?
57:52
Like people are infinitely fascinating and that's
57:57
definitely something I live by. And I think it keeps me quite
57:59
open minded and I think it's led me to some of the conclusions
58:04
that I believe around about the world and I believe about human
58:07
beings. And also it's just fun.
58:11
I tend to view the world a little bit as a playground.
58:15
I think that again, maybe this is a through line through a lot
58:19
of things that we've been talking about, which is that,
58:22
you know, something, something interesting with children as
58:24
well. Like, you know, we're both, you
58:26
know, we're, we're both new fathers And I have I've been an
58:30
uncle for 18 years. I have I have 10 nieces and
58:33
nephews. So I'm glad I got to experience
58:36
being an uncle for, you know, many times over before being a
58:39
father. And it's kind of interesting
58:42
with, you know, children, anyone who's spent time with children,
58:46
whether it's your own or other people's, they have, they have
58:50
such a like a, a joy of life and they're just infinitely curious
58:54
and they want to know everything.
58:56
And they want to ask why and what and how.
58:58
And they want to know how things work.
59:00
And everything that they see is new.
59:02
And it's exciting. And I think it's important as we
59:05
grow older and as we mature to maintain, to maintain some of
59:08
that, to maintain some of that wonder and some of that
59:11
curiosity. I, I think people get boring
59:13
when they lose all of it. Like naturally, as you mature
59:17
and you take on responsibilities and you become a little bit more
59:21
cynical and street smart and wise about the world, You're not
59:25
going to have the same level of wonder as a, as a, as a four
59:28
year old and you shouldn't. But it's, it's good to maintain
59:31
a little bit of it and it keeps you creative.
59:33
It keeps you wanting to go on adventures and to do things
59:36
because I think it's very easy to, it's very easy to stagnate.
59:40
It's very easy to get to your late 20s or your 30s, certainly
59:46
your 40s, and just kind of like ossify and never do anything new
59:51
anymore and not try anything and not go anywhere and not meet any
59:56
new people. And I don't think that's
1:00:00
generally good, right? You don't need to be like hyper
1:00:02
extroverted if that's not your natural wiring, but I think it's
1:00:04
always good to be. Learning new things and trying
1:00:07
new things and meeting new people, going to new places and
1:00:11
just looking around the world and just appreciating it.
1:00:13
It's it's part of why it's good to you know, when people say go
1:00:16
touch grass, I know it's often said quite flippantly, but there
1:00:21
there's something to that. Like just going out in nature,
1:00:24
whether you like the mountains or the desert or lakes or rivers
1:00:27
or the forest, just being out there and just kind of looking
1:00:31
at it all. And you're just like, man, this
1:00:33
is, this is, this is cool. Like this, this is, this is
1:00:36
pretty magnificent. This is pretty wonderful.
1:00:39
This is pretty exciting. And you can kind of
1:00:40
intentionally tap into it. And that's something I certainly
1:00:43
try to do. And, you know, every year I'm
1:00:46
always trying to be, no, I'm always trying new things, trying
1:00:49
to learn new stuff, trying to get better in some way, trying
1:00:52
to learn about something. And yeah, why not?
1:00:58
Why not? How can I follow your toxic
1:01:01
positivity? Well, the first one is I just
1:01:05
started as I just started a sub stack a couple of weeks ago.
1:01:08
So I want people to subscribe to me on Sub stack.
1:01:10
If you go to real talk with zubi.com, then you can find my
1:01:14
writings and my articles. I'm doing more long form writing
1:01:17
over there and then on all social media at Zubi Music, ZUBY
1:01:22
Music, you can find me on everything.
1:01:26
Are you still recording? I am.
1:01:29
I actually recorded a couple of feature verses for some other
1:01:33
artists projects quite recently, and I'm going to be releasing
1:01:38
some new music of my own this year.
1:01:39
I've written a few new songs. I haven't recorded them yet, but
1:01:42
they're written and there's more to come.
1:01:44
So yeah, music is. Sometimes I put it on pause
1:01:49
while I'm doing other things, but I haven't.
1:01:52
I haven't stopped rapping or stopped making music or fallen
1:01:55
out of love with it or anything like that.
1:01:57
It's just been on pause for a while.
1:01:58
But 100% new music is coming this year.
1:02:02
All right, Zubi, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
1:02:05
God bless you, Jeremy, I appreciate it.