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Wired To Hunt Podcast #107: Tim Burnett of Solo Hunter Talks Western Whitetail Hunting, Self Filming and More · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and seven Tannis Show, We've got Tim Burnett, the host
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  Speaker 1: of the Solo Hunter TV show and an avid Western hunter,
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  Speaker 1: and we're talking Western white tail hunting, self filming, and
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  Speaker 1: much more. All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast,
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by Sitka Gear. And today, as I
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  Speaker 1: just mentioned, we've got a great guest in Tim Burnett,
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  Speaker 1: who's going to join me to discuss all sorts of stuff,
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  Speaker 1: including Western white tail hunting, advice for white tail hunters
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  Speaker 1: heading out west for their first big game hunt, thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on the impact of social media on hunting, self filming,
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  Speaker 1: and so much more. But before all that, unlike most weeks,
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  Speaker 1: we will not be catching up with my co host
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  Speaker 1: Dan Johnson because he's actually out of the office today,
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  Speaker 1: I believe, chasing his other passion of competitive dog grooming.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just me today and our guest Tim. But
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  Speaker 1: before we get Tim on the line, we do have
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  Speaker 1: with all that said, we also need to thank our
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  Speaker 1: partners at Sick of Gear for making this podcast possible.
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  Speaker 1: As we do every week, We've got a sick story
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  Speaker 1: to share with you today, and I think you're really
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  Speaker 1: going to enjoy this one. Today we've got just day
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  Speaker 1: Low from day Lorenzo Photography, and several years ago, she
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  Speaker 1: had one of those seasons that just grinds on you.
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  Speaker 1: You know, hunt after hunt comes and goes and nothing
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  Speaker 1: things seems to go right. So when Pennsylvania's final day
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  Speaker 1: of their Late Archer season arrived and had lousy weather,
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  Speaker 1: Jess was left with a tough decision to make and
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  Speaker 1: it was super miserable outside. It was raining and cold,
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  Speaker 1: and then like sitting in my house was kind of
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  Speaker 1: mulling over it and being um um. I decided I
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  Speaker 1: was just going to go out into the garage. I
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  Speaker 1: threw on my downpour year, I grabbed my boat and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of headed out to a stand with no plan.
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  Speaker 1: And I couldn't think about like the season ending with
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  Speaker 1: me to sitting at home like being a grump over it.
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  Speaker 1: So that I'm sitting in my stand and almost watching
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  Speaker 1: the rain and I'm still thinking and coming to terms
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  Speaker 1: with like having a failed season, and then this group
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  Speaker 1: of dose starts coming through and uh, a nice mature
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  Speaker 1: kind of dough just like walks and she stops like
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  Speaker 1: perfectly on my way and almost like looks at me
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  Speaker 1: like saying like I'm here. And I shot her and
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  Speaker 1: she went down right away, and it was like there's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of splip second. It was like super exciting.
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  Speaker 1: But as I'm sitting there we didn't get down, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just like I'm realizing that, like, this is why I
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  Speaker 1: love hunting, because shooting that dough. If I had had
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  Speaker 1: a super successful season and like had a big buff
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  Speaker 1: already in field my tech, I never would have really
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  Speaker 1: remembered that hunt as something remember as something memorable. But
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  Speaker 1: for that being the high point in my season, it
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  Speaker 1: was just like this is why I hunt. Like there
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  Speaker 1: was so much time put in prior and unsuccessful fits.
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  Speaker 1: I had been at full draw and a deer already
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  Speaker 1: and it didn't go with plan, and it was just
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  Speaker 1: a great reminder that that split second when you shoot
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  Speaker 1: a deer is not like it makes up for all
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  Speaker 1: the time that you put in. And I learned so
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  Speaker 1: much that year. There's no big mount like that I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at on the web every time I remember it.
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  Speaker 1: Just the experience and being in the woods and you
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  Speaker 1: never kind of know how it's gonna play out. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a huge factor that pulls us in
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  Speaker 1: every fall, Like that's why we get addicted because you
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  Speaker 1: never know. And when I get really frustrated when I'm
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  Speaker 1: sitting in my stand now, I kind of always think
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  Speaker 1: back on that season and it just reminds me to
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  Speaker 1: soak it all in and connect and have fun and
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  Speaker 1: just like remember that you never know what's going to happen,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like that's the addictive factor for me. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I can definitely relate to that.
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  Speaker 1: Now has just mentioned she was wearing sick because downpour
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  Speaker 1: rain gear on that hunt. If you'd like to learn
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  Speaker 1: more about what other white tailed gear Sick has to offer,
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  Speaker 1: visit sit to gear dot com. And now let's get
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  Speaker 1: our guest Tim Burnett on the line. All right with
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  Speaker 1: me on the line now is Tim Burnett? Welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the show. Tim, Hey, Mark, how are you doing. I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing really well? How about you? It really is. Although
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  Speaker 1: I'm I'm in Driggs, Idaho right now, and there are
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  Speaker 1: some serious thunderstorms rolling through right now. I you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not from this part of the country. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: used to these storms back in Michion again that just
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  Speaker 1: kind of appear over top of you and then you
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  Speaker 1: know it's there for the rest of the day. But
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  Speaker 1: I feel like out west here you see these storms
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  Speaker 1: coming for hours and hours, slowly building until they get
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  Speaker 1: to you. I don't know that there's visually a lot
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  Speaker 1: more exciting than what we have back at home. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you're just used to it being out
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  Speaker 1: west all the time, but I love the storms out here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: It's it's hard to take the skies for granted because
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  Speaker 1: they are so beautiful out here in the West, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it really is just nothing like I lived
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  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma for for about a year and there's just
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  Speaker 1: nothing like the Western skies. And then just the skyline
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  Speaker 1: and everything. Oh yeah, when they talk about the big
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  Speaker 1: sky in Montana, are really anywhere in the West that
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  Speaker 1: they aren't lying? There really is something to it, that's true,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah. So so where are you right now?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm been reigning about us sitting in my garage
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  Speaker 1: listening to a bunch of construction going on outside. So
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  Speaker 1: hopefully it doesn't interfere with your audio. No, no problem
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  Speaker 1: at all. So far, so far, so good. So I
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  Speaker 1: guess before we get too much for further tim for
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  Speaker 1: those who aren't familiar with you, can you kind of
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  Speaker 1: give us a little bit of background as to you know,
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  Speaker 1: what you're doing today in the world of hunting and
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  Speaker 1: how you got to be there. Yeah. So in the
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  Speaker 1: world of hunting, I'm just hunting, you know. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of been my m O from the very beginning.
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  Speaker 1: Is all I want to do is hunt and then
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  Speaker 1: document that and figure out some way to to turn
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  Speaker 1: that into a career so that I can do a
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  Speaker 1: lot more of it. So, you know, I'm just hunting
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  Speaker 1: like everybody else whenever I can get a chance. And um,
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  Speaker 1: currently I produce and host Silo Honor, which is on
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  Speaker 1: Outdoor Channel. Um, we're just we're just now turning in
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  Speaker 1: some of the episodes to the network for season seven,
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  Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy to think about. And then
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  Speaker 1: just looking forward to to this fall Harvard already drawn
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  Speaker 1: some good tags and just looking forward to doing more
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  Speaker 1: of it. Nice. So where are you hunting this phone?
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  Speaker 1: So I'll be in Idaho in Montana, Utah, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see where some of the other the draws.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's a couple more late draws to come
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  Speaker 1: out and actually long Tanna just hit yesterday, maybe today,
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  Speaker 1: so I gotta find out there. But all out here
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  Speaker 1: in the West. And then I did schedule a trip
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  Speaker 1: to go back to Oklahoma with my buddy Stacy Chester. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a place that we'd like to go out there.
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  Speaker 1: So nice. How'd your season last year go? Last year
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  Speaker 1: was rough? It was yeah. I put a lot of
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  Speaker 1: effort into it, you know, I wanted to take the
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  Speaker 1: production value of the show. Um, for those of you
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  Speaker 1: that aren't familiar with Solo on Her that have lived
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  Speaker 1: in a cave for the last seven years, we sell
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  Speaker 1: film the entire show. There's no production crew, no cameraman,
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  Speaker 1: you know, no safety outlet into that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Marks very familiar with with that type of a format.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not We're not necessarily doing it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's out west, it's Western hunting, it's big games there.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot of moving and hiking
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  Speaker 1: going on. And not not just in a tree stand
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  Speaker 1: or just in a ground blind. You know, we kind
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  Speaker 1: of tried I have some diversity with it. So it's tough.
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  Speaker 1: So I put a lot of pressure on myself to
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  Speaker 1: film well and hunt well, and I did both extremely well.
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  Speaker 1: But I forgot to kill. That's that's one important part expose,
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  Speaker 1: right you know, Yeah, I guess unfortunately it's it's all
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  Speaker 1: part of it. But um, I've tried to build the
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  Speaker 1: show around everything in addition to the killing. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not everything. That's not the main, main important.
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  Speaker 1: So how how did the show come about? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: was it simply the fact that you were just self
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  Speaker 1: filming for yourself and eventually realized maybe people would want
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  Speaker 1: to see this, or did you come into it and
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  Speaker 1: have this idea like I'm gonna make this a show
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  Speaker 1: in a business? How did that all begin? Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: we'll keep the show separate from the business because that's
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  Speaker 1: all developed over time as far as the show goes. Um,
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  Speaker 1: when I started in television, actually, it's kind of funny. Um,
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  Speaker 1: my old partner called me today. When I first start
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  Speaker 1: did I partnered up with Jeff Anchor of Buck Ventures
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  Speaker 1: and he kind of introduced me into the world of
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  Speaker 1: hunting television, and you know, we had a relationship for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years. Did did Buck Ventures for a
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  Speaker 1: couple of years, and then I got tired of living
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  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma and moved back back out last. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: how Solo Hunter came about was I had, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the taste through outdoor television and filming my hunts ever
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  Speaker 1: since I was a kid. Um, after coming back West,
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  Speaker 1: after that stint with you know in in Oklahoma, I
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  Speaker 1: was just posting a bunch of my videos because I
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  Speaker 1: was filming my hunts solo. I didn't didn't have a
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  Speaker 1: cameraman or anything. And a group of guys out of Missouri, Um,
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  Speaker 1: Jefferson City, Missouri. In fact, I think they still have
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  Speaker 1: a show on Pursuit Channel. Um, it's what is it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not back Outdoors now it's boondock Boys. But at
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  Speaker 1: the time, they were back outdoors and they contacted me
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  Speaker 1: and said, hey, man, we liked your videos, would you
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  Speaker 1: be interested in producing our show. We want to go
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  Speaker 1: on Sportsman Channel. So Um, long story short, I started
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  Speaker 1: producing and just doing the editing and the post production
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  Speaker 1: for their show, and they had their first season on
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  Speaker 1: Sportsman Channel. They ended up losing some funding midway through
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  Speaker 1: the third quarter, and when that when they pulled out
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  Speaker 1: on that, that left and opening with the network with
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  Speaker 1: Sportsman Channel because I was carrying the contract. So that's
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  Speaker 1: that's where the business side comes in. I was carrying
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  Speaker 1: the contract with the networks because of my connections there,
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  Speaker 1: and I got left hold in the bag, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I was on the hook for the network fees
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it was an hour and never it was
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  Speaker 1: time to take take the concept of solo hunter and
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  Speaker 1: put it to the test. And so I quick edited
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  Speaker 1: an episode together and submitted it to the network and
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  Speaker 1: it went to air the following week. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was like nothing, nothing anyone really had seen at
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  Speaker 1: the time. I guess so, and that in that first
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  Speaker 1: episode create if I'm wrong, But wasn't that in Idaho
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  Speaker 1: White Tail Hunt? It was? It was that I had filmed.
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  Speaker 1: I actually filmed it that year. So, um, this is
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  Speaker 1: in September, so people aren't familiar with the quarters the
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  Speaker 1: way the quarters were. September is kind of the tail
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  Speaker 1: end of the third quarter, which is generally when all
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  Speaker 1: the new shows go to air. So I had just
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  Speaker 1: barely filmed that that episode, and so I did some
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  Speaker 1: flashback footage of this the year before when I when
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  Speaker 1: I filmed some stuff and just cut it together as
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  Speaker 1: quick as I could. And then at that point it
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  Speaker 1: was a bum rush. Man. It was like, where can
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  Speaker 1: I get some more footage? Because the network wanted more?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I just kind of took off and
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  Speaker 1: then here you are today, huh, still in the same spot,
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  Speaker 1: still the network once more, and I still have to
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  Speaker 1: keep feeding him more. Like you said that, at least
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  Speaker 1: you get to keep on hunting, and this is a
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  Speaker 1: good way to to help make that happen exactly. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of different ways. In fact, that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that I've been that I did
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  Speaker 1: last year. I've um produced and hosted a project for
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  Speaker 1: G five and Prime Prime Archery. UM. We kind of
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  Speaker 1: did four episodes on featuring some professionals within the archery industry.
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  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of different career paths that a
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  Speaker 1: guy could take if he wants to be in the outdoors. UM,
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  Speaker 1: and the video and the hunting television is just one
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  Speaker 1: of them. I mean, you've carved out a great niche
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  Speaker 1: with what you do with with the podcast and the
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  Speaker 1: blog and the writing and the photography and all that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've carved out your niche and and
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  Speaker 1: other people have carved out there, so there's there's really
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  Speaker 1: no guaranteed or no specific path that a person should take.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of different avenues, right. I've always
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  Speaker 1: thought it kind of comes down to figuring out where
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  Speaker 1: that intersection of your passion and your skill set, where
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  Speaker 1: the intersection is, and that might be where you can
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  Speaker 1: then try to, like you said, carve out that niche.
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  Speaker 1: But trying to force something based on what you see
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  Speaker 1: someone else on TV doing or what so and so does.
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  Speaker 1: That's not always the right way to go about it.
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  Speaker 1: But like you said, there's so many different options. That
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  Speaker 1: comes down to being passionate about it and just willing
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  Speaker 1: to put in a lot of work. I think, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you really got to focus on um a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different things. But I think the number one thing is
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  Speaker 1: focus on what you're good at. You know, you might
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  Speaker 1: have a passion a guy might have a passion for
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  Speaker 1: being on TV or for for for white tails for instance,
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  Speaker 1: or just just hunting. But if you're not good at it,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you ought to focus on, you know, something else
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  Speaker 1: you know and who knows, so you've gotta be good
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  Speaker 1: at what you do. I think, yeah, very true. Passion
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  Speaker 1: is important, but if you're not good, people don't notice
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  Speaker 1: passion as much. Very true, and there's there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people gunning for that type of gig or that
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  Speaker 1: type of opportunities, So you really didn't find a way
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  Speaker 1: to stand out. It's the most visual, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: it's the most appealing to everyone. But I think that's
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  Speaker 1: another thing that lot of people don't necessarily realize, is
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  Speaker 1: if you can capitalize and focus on the business side
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  Speaker 1: of it, or the back end of what I call it. Um,
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  Speaker 1: that's really where that's really where the deals are made,
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  Speaker 1: and that's where things happen. Um, you know, where the
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  Speaker 1: relationships are struck, the television side of the video side
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  Speaker 1: of it, I guess, or the end use side of
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  Speaker 1: it isn't you know, isn't the nuts and bolts of that,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure? Yeah, like you said, kind of glamorous
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  Speaker 1: end of things, but not there's a whole lot else
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  Speaker 1: going behind the scenes, that's for sure. Sure. So so
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  Speaker 1: going back to something you mentioned just a second ago,
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  Speaker 1: that first episode that you put together for Solo Hunter
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  Speaker 1: was an Idaho white tail hunt. Um. And when I
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  Speaker 1: saw I saw that some time ago, I don't remember.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was on your YouTube channel maybe, and
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  Speaker 1: that was one of the things that you know, reminded
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  Speaker 1: me that, yeah, Tim does do some white tail hunts.
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  Speaker 1: I seen to do some stuff in Oklahoma, Idaho, I
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  Speaker 1: think maybe Wyoming or Montana. Maybe that was remy um.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, how often do you white to hunt?
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  Speaker 1: Is that a pretty rare thing or have you been
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  Speaker 1: doing that a long time? You know, I've killed more
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  Speaker 1: white tails than I have any other animal combined. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Just I didn't start white tail hunting until I met Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So two thousand four or five was when
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  Speaker 1: I killed my first white tail um out in Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: and then I've been chasing them ever since. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the last couple of years i've kind of, I guess
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  Speaker 1: the last two years I've kind of tailed it off
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. But between two thousand and four and
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  Speaker 1: last year, I've killed a good buck with my bow
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  Speaker 1: every year, and a lot of years multiple us. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: So where all have you white to hunted? Mostly Oklahoma,
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  Speaker 1: I've been, I've been to Illinois, I've been in Missouri,
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  Speaker 1: um out east. Let's see. You know that's that's pretty
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  Speaker 1: well it. If I can't think of any other place
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  Speaker 1: I've hunted in the Midwest, and then of course Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: Montana nice I, like I mentioned earlier, I think it
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: was before we're on air. I've at my first western
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: white tail hunt coming up in Montana, so I'm pretty
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: excited about that. And it was definitely hoping to pick
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: your brain a little bit about what is different, you know,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: in this part of the country versus maybe the Midwest
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: or the East coast um And I don't know, you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: given your experience in those different places, some of those
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Midwestern states, Oklahoma and then the farther western rocky mountain states,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: is there anything that stands out to you as pretty
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: starkly different. The animals are non different. You know, they
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: still got to eat, they still want to breathe, they
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: still got to survive. You know. The dates might change
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but you're still talking November, you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and that so the animals don't aren't necessarily any different.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: But their terrain is really what gets you. And you know,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: the things that they don't have to deal without in
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the Midwest, like thermals and wind change, and you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: because of the mountain range and all that kind of thing.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: It just makes it a little bit more difficult, and
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of the when you talk about public land
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: white tail hunting out in the West, you're talking a
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: big timber too, um, so it's not necessarily broken up
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: into shelter belts and crops and you know, river bottoms.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: A lot of it is just big mountains with this
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: heavily wooded and you just gotta figure things out. There's
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: there's obviously exceptions in different types of terrain. You know,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: in Montana there's tons of river bottom, and if you've
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: got the ability to hunt, you know, get access to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the river been been great. But otherwise you're up on
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the mountain with the rest of us. How gosh, I
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: mean that seems like that is so far and away
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: different than where live's in the Midwest or different parts
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: of the country are used to where it's a lot
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: of egg and then these smaller sections that cover and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you can kind of figure out a pretty standard bed
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: defeed pattern of what these deer do. How do you
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: go about figuring out what a white tail is doing
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: in that tube area? Same thing, man, you gotta figure
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: out what they're eating at that time. You know, you've
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: got to figure out every season is different, you know.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: I when I talk to people that don't hunt or
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the rest of the hunting, they're like, well you bohunt,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: but gun hunting must be easy. Well, no, it's gun
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: hunting is just as hard because you're hunting in October
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: usually when when it sucks to hunt, you know. So
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: everything changes depending on the area and the time of year,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know. Um, so it's it's just all it all
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: varies really. At the end of the day, you gotta
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, when is the hunting season, where do
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I have access to what do I gotta do to
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: get an animal kill? Yeah, so let's talk early season selfishly,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: because I'm doing an early season Western Western hunts, so
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: it comes out yeah, exactly. So early season I've never
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I've done obviously a ton of white tail hunting, but
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I've never hunted that first week of September before for
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: white tails. But that's what I'll be doing in Montana.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Have you done some white tail hunting early September? Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: most of the most of the bucks I've killed in
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Idaho have been before September six. So um, that's that's
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I love hunting, Mule, you're in the velvet. I love
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: on the white tail in the velvet, and that's really
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: kind of the tail end of when they're starting to
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: to strip and and all that. But it's it's to me, man,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that's that's the best time to kill a big buck
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: is when he's the most vulnerable, and that's in my experience,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: outside of the rut, it's when they're in the velvet. Yeah, so,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: so why do you say that, You know, they're they're
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: generally that first part of September is tough because it
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: just depends, you know, if they're still in velvet and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: they're still in their bachelor hurts and they haven't got
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: too cranky yet and the bucks start to shed, they're
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: still in their food to bed pattern, you know, late evenings,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: early mornings, and they're pretty lazy. You know, they're not
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: traveling great distances because it's still fairly warm. But once
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that velot comes off there, they're completely they start to change,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: you know, they you hear all the time, they become
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: a different animal. The testosterone starts to flow, they start
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: scrapping with each other, and they're not they're not hanging
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: out together nearly as much um out here in the West.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Once they once they start shedding. You know, it's a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: little different in the places I've hunted in Oklahoma the bucks.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: So let's see a bucks running together quite a bit
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: through October, you know, through the middle, middle to the
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: end of October, they're running together. But once once they
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: start getting on each other's nerves, it's they're just a
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: different animal. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm curious when you're starting
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: a hunt like that. If let's say you show up
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: in the area, we're gonna where you're gonna hunt, and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: maybe it's not like right where you live. You don't
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: know these dear you know, inside and out. You're trying
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to figure it out at that time of the year.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: My assumption is that it's it's kind of a start slow,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: observe for a while, and then make a move. Is
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that is that true to form for you? Or how
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: do you begin a hunt like that? Do you just
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: dive in or do you wait to observe? You know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: if I'm new to an area or new to a
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: specific place, I'll spend I'll spend as much time as
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I need observing. You know, it's and and and just
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: closing in because if you if you just dive in,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you don't know where you're diving into, you might dive
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: into their own spot, you know, if you can sit
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: back and find advantage point. You know, out west there's
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: there's no shortage advantage points generally depending on where you're hunting.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: But I'm always you know, I guess I'm kind of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a cost passive aggressive ist. I like to be very
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: passive at first, but if the right opportunity comes, I'm
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: going to dive in, you know people. So, but as
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: far as for white tails go, like like say that
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: that placed up in Idaho for instance, Um, when I
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: first started hunting that area, you know, I spent two
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: or three days just glassing from across the canyon, I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: mean you're talking a mile away or more glass ng
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: trying to see where the bucks were coming out and
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that type of thing. And then spent another couple of
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: days before I got real aggressive with stand placement, UM,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: sitting up on the field edge, you know, up in
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the crops, watching these bucks come out, to see where
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: they would come out. And then it wasn't until like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the six or seventh day that I was there that
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: actually moved in with the tree stamp and killed the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: buck on that first night. So how do you know
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: when to write when when to make that move for
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the kill. Is it simply that you've seen a buck
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: do something enough times or is it more I don't know.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: How do you make that decision to finally go in.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: I think that time of year, if you see a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: buck do something, once he's done it before, you know
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: he's the buck doesn't travel. I mean that white tell
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: guys know what buck. The buck is where he is
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: for a reason. He's not anywhere ever, by accident, unless
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: he's been well. Even when he's chased there, he's not
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: there by accident. So it's there. They're there for reasons.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: So if if he's traveling and it's late August or
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: first part of September and I can see him, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: work in this field edge and moving into the beans
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: or whatever he might be doing, he's been there before,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: he's comfortable there. He's probably going to do it again.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: It might not be the next night, you know, it
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: might not be the next week, but he's probably gonna
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: be there again. Yeah. Yeah, when you're going in to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: make that set. How often are you are you doing
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of ground hunting from ground blinds or is
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: it always using a tree stand or spotting stock or
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: what are you doing when it comes to white tails
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: from from a positioning standpoint, No, I personally like to
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: be in a tree. I mean, white tails are made
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to be killed out of a tree, like coyotes were
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: made to be killed with a rifle and turkey to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: be smacked with a shot. That's just the way the
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: way I see white tails. I mean, I've had some
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: some great encounters and great things from the ground, but
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: there's nothing like There's nothing like doing your homework and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: scouting the deer and finding them and actually picking the
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: right spot to be in that you can ambush them.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you you you tricked them in
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: a way, and then you're in that stand. I mean
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of Western guys look at it.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, that's boring, hugged man, you're just sitting
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in a tree stand. Well not if you were the
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: guy that figured out that that's where that tree stand
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: needed to be. If if you're outfit or put that
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: stand there, Yeah, out of a stand sucks. But if
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: you can spend four of days hunting the area and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: patterning these deer, then it's stinking awesome and there's no
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: better adrenaline rush than that. Just wondering if that buck's
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: gonna come out of that little pocket of willows and
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: then what he does? You know, watching him just shape
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, strut on in right underneath you while
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: you got three and a half minutes for your adrenaline
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: to go crazy. Mean, it's it's pretty awesome. I love.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, when they when they actually finally, do you know,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: follow the script that you laid out the few times
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that it works out, It's pretty pretty special feeling, that's
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for sure. Is there is there any I don't know?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Is there a standard way you like to go about
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: setting your tree stands? At you a guy who likes
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to be really high? Or are you just going where
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the best cover is um? Or is it? You know?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear about what you're thinking about when
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you go setting up a stand in a position like that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I set up my stand where the deer is gonna be.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: I don't care if it's in a nine foot seater
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: or a thirty ft sycamore. You know, get the deer
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: moving through there. I will find some way to have
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a stand there or or to be in that spot.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I don't really care. I mean, I've killed deer out
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of like I say, literally, I could reach up and
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: put my hand on the platform on the tree stand
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: tree in Oklahoma. I've killed him out of the ground.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: But I've also like that spot in Idaho. You know
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: it's such a steep, steep angle, but at one side
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you're fifteen feet from the ground. But on the back
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: side of the tree, your third man, it's is is
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it just two pans? Just pans? Yeah, you're getting up there,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and so it sounds like with the way you're hunting.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Disclaimer here too, I am by no means a white
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: tailed god, you know, not the leading authority on the
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: white tail deer. I just like to hunt, and I
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: figured out way to kill a few of them. That's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: about it. It's about the best you can ask for
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: from all of us. I'd say, um, what kind of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: stands stet ups are you using? I mean, if you're
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: going in it sounds like, you know, observing this deer
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: for a while and then making a move with stands,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: you're probably using some kind of portable setup or climber.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: What do you do from a stand standpoint? Um? Lock on?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: You know you gotta you gotta remember a lot of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: these places I've already hiked into a couple of miles,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: you know. Sometimes so just a climber stand that's super lightweight,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: super small, that enables you also to get into two
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: smaller trees. And uh, you know, anytime you throw in
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the filming aspect of it too, that's that's a whole
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: different beast in itself. You know, if a guy could
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: just go in on his own and kill you could
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: get away with with very minimal trimming, and you know,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: get in places that you can't get into with the
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: camera or cameraman for that matter. Right, right, So when
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: you're doing these mobile setups, do you are you like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the middle of the day guy who you like to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: make your moves or you know some guys that like
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to go in after dark and hanging new stand When
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: are you usually making your move to put up a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: new stand and get situated. I also remember you're talking
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: early season, so mid days always going to be you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: always gonna be a little bit more practical mid day
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: early afternoon. A lot of times these bucks get into
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: a bed, a bed, you know, by eight or nine
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning. Well they might they might get
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: up and stretch your legs and go for a drink
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: at noon too, so you gotta be careful. But generally
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I'm hanging them either, you know, twelve one o'clock or
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go in and hanging at four o'clock and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: stay there, you know, go ahead and hunt it. So
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: so speaking of when you're hanging your stands and stuff
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: like that, and about that midday time period, kind of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: thing that we talk a lot about is hunting mornings
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: at certain times of the year. A lot of us
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in the Midwest, at least myself, I'm pretty hesitant about
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: hunting mornings early in October during that kind of the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: early season for us is early October. Is that something
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: that you're thinking about two in early September about the
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: challenges of trying to hunt in the morning and maybe
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: focusing just on the evening or do you hunt both
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: depends on the area. You know, if if you understand
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: your food source and the destination fields where those they
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: are going to be, you know, if you feel like
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you can have enough time to get into a stand
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: set that mornings are stinking awesome. You know, you see
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: guys like Greg Miller and David Blanden killing deer in
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the mornings all the time. Um, I've killed deer in
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: the morning. So it depends on where those where, the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: likelihood that those deer are going to be in the mornings,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: you know, because if if you're not if you're not
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: hunting the mornings that time of year and you're only
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: hunting evenings, those are some long days and you're especially
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: if you're traveling from out east or anything there, you've
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: just wasted half of your trip, half of your vacation
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: time to hunt half days. I mean, that's you. You'll
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: figure out a way if you want to hunt, you'll
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to get in there. Whether you're
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: hiking in, you know, going in it midnight and sitting
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: for six hours in the dark, that's up to you.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Depends on how much you want to kill a deer.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: You know that that's spot right. I've killed most of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: my deer in Idaho. I know those deer are gonna
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: go up into those crops and they're gonna crest over
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the top and drop down into the destination pocket. So
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I can walk in just you know, thirty forty minutes
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: before dark, knowing that they're not going to come up
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: out of that out of that other draw until you know,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: until I'm already in the stand right now. What about
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: these situations like the river bottom type habitat like we
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: were talking about in places like Montana and a lot
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of other places out west, it seems like, I mean,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: they're probably betting in that habitat around the river right
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and then moving up to the crops above. Is that right?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Or how are they using that from a betting versus
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: feeding area? Yeah, so it can be. You know, you'll
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: see a lot of times in Montana right on the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: falpha that's right along the river, those deer a bed
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: right Inalfalfha. So unless they're bumped, you know, and have
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: to have a reason to have their pattern altered, there's
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: there's no reason for them to go into the woodline
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and bed. They can bed wherever they want, so they
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: that's where your scouting's gotta come into play. You gotta
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: watch and see or crap, are they going to bed
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: right next to that pivot every time? So if it's
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: nice and cool and they get water when whatever they want,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: they can see danger coming from miles away. Or are
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: they going to work into that woodline and lay down
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: right the CRP right on the edge where they go
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: on deeper to find little cedar pocket. You know, you
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: just you don't know you got there's That's the thing
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: is there's there're stinking animals. Man, They're gonna do whatever
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: they want, whenever they want. But the other thing to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: remember is if you see a buck, a big especially
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: big mature buck somewhere, he's there for a reason. So
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you gotta figure out why why was he in this spot?
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Why was he rounding this bend on that river instead
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: of just walking up over the gravel bar into the field.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: You know, well, it's because he can sent check three
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: quarters of the field by just working around that gravel bar,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: because the way the winds are going or something. You know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: he's there for a reason, um, and he he knows
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that that travel that that travel corridor is safe. And
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: so that's where early season when you can actually see
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: them on the hoof, and you've got a huge advantage
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: over October or or early November when you may not
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: have laid eyes on other than just trail cameras. You know,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: speaking of trail cameras, is that a big part of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: your strategy Usually No, not generally Um it is in
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma where um you know where you you know, you're
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: you've got a property, you've got boundaries, you know, you've
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: got you've got your area, and you've got to figure
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: out those deer and pattern those deers. So cameras are
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a lot more important to me there out west, um,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: you know, in the in the spot like that spot
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in Idaho, I have those deer figured out so well,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and I still put out cameras, you know, to kind
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: of see what's what's there. But if I'm going to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: a new area or something, I you know, generally am
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: traveling there and I'm limited on time, and so I'll
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: spend that time scouting and you know, if I can
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: throw out a camera, I will, but I don't. I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: don't put a lot of weight into it because because
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I may or may not be have any connection to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: that spot. You know, I might not be going back,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: or I might have just happened onto it randomly. Right, Right,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: You've got a short amount of time to utilize those pictures.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: That doesn't always end up panting out. That's that's worth
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: probably the time, right Yeah. I mean, you know, if
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I if I'm going into Montana, just somewhere and I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: bust in there and start hanging cameras where I think
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the travel cord or be able, you know. You. I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: feel like unless you m have the time or have
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: uh are gonna be hunting that area for years on end,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: you know, or multiple years or whatever, then cameras make sense.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: But if you've got one week and you're on vacation
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: from you know, Albany, New York, and you're in Montana
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: on public land, um just getting there and hunt, man,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: don't waste your vacation time hanging cameras, fine glass, find
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the deer and hunt, because you know, I don't know,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: that's my opinion. For a guy from Albany, New York,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: like you said, or somewhere like that, do you think
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: a white tailed trip out west is worth it? I mean,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: is there something special? Like should somebody experience a Western
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: white tail hunt versus anywhere else? Heck, just just like
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: a Western guy needs to experience a Midwestern hunter an
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Eastern hunt, you know. I mean, if if you are
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: an advocate for hunting, why would you limit yourself to
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: only hunting eltcome you'll do out here in the West,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if you really want to experience
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: for yourself what white tail hunting man is, rather than
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: just you know, talking smack about white tail hunters in
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the bar and how tree stand hunters are lazy and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: don't know how to hunt. You're not real hunters. What there?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Go to do it for your damn self and figure
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: it out. And you don't think about that if you're
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: actually hunting those animals and not just paying a fee
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to go with an outfit or to hank to sit
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: in the stand that he his guy hung six years
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: ago and it worked for one guy six years ago,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: so it's gonna work for you this year. Then that's
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that's not hunting. You know, that's a different type of
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: a hunt. It's for different people. But if you're a
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: hunter and you want to hunt, you know, you've got
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to experience what we have to offer here in America. Man.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: There's some good stuff. Yeah. I've really come to enjoy
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the different types of terrain to that offer these different
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: challenges and just different experiences, you know, from hunting where
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I live it here in Michigan, to then going out
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to in Iowa or Nebraska, and now I'm excited to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: take it, you know, a little step further to see,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: you know, a very different landscape in Montana, and I
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: feel like there's something to be said about just experiencing
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: those different types of hunts and everything that goes with it.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: You know. It may not be the most hyped place
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: compared to Iowa or Kansas, where the you know, quote
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: unquote giants live, but I think just having a diverse
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: set of experiences kind of rounds you out as a hunter.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: And I think just there's a lot of fun to
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: do anything it can you know, it's it's all to
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the individual. You know. I'm a huge believer that a
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: guy's got to do what he what he is passionate
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: about what he wants to do. You know. Don't feel
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: forced to hunt the way other people hunt just because
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: other people are having success, you know what I mean,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: if you're not gonna have you know, like like my
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: buddy Jeff that I was just talking about Jeff de Ancher,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: he he has no desire to go upen like ground
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the high country att I was eating. Chasing mule deer
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: just not fun him, you know. But if that's not funny,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: you don't do it, you know. So it's it's all
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: that's the beautiful thing. About hunting is it's an individual sport,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: you know, or it's an individual lifestyle and the individual
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: activity and you gotta do it too. Whatever is gonna
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: make you happy, you know. So what what makes you
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: happy hunting? What's your favorite hunt? What's your favorite type
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of species to hunt? In place? You know? Envelop mule
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: deer in August, it's really kind of belvo mule deer
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in August and then rolling into Elk in September. I mean,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that's that is hunting for me. You know, that's kind
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of where it's at. But I like to experience new
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: things too, you know, any certain state that isn't your home,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: stay in the Vada your favorite spot for that to
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: a velvet hunt or whereabouts. Yeah, Nevada for mule deer, definitely,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: because the hunts start August tenth. They used to start
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: August one, um, but August tant you can roll in
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and and find those bucks and about as vulnerable state
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: as they'll ever be, um and get it in hum.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: But the difficulty, the challenges is getting the tag, you know.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: UM and then Elk in Idaho just because that's where
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I grew up. That's home. Nice. So last year me
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and my my co host who's usually on the show
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: with me. We were planning a early season high country
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: mule deer hunt in Idaho, um and just because there's
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: some funky things going on, we had to change our plans.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: But going into that, you know, we were trying to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: figure out all sorts of stuff about how to do
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: a hunt like that. That's nothing either one of us
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: have ever done. I've done some elk hunting, but not
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: that kind of early season or any kind of mulder hunt. Really,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: what what is it about that type of hunt that
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you like so much? I guess I'm curious about. First, Well,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that's what I grew up doing, you know. I mean,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I lived out in an area that's about as wild
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: as it possibly gets, and we grew up going up
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: to those high mountain lakes and fishing and seeing all
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: these big deer, you know, rotting around. So it's only
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: natural to want to go back, but you can't. You
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: can't beat you know, hiking in six seven eight miles
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: into the to the high country and spending time up
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: in the high alpine watching deer and elk and mountain
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: goats and big horn sheep. I mean, that's that's what
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Western hunting is Yeah, it's uh, it sure seems to
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: put you put yourself in a position to see some
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: incredible places and animals and just I mean probably a
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: tremendous challenge, but worthwhile, I bet. Yeah. I mean if
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you're into that kind of thing, and like, like I said,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: you gotta most of the guys that have the air
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: hunters and that want to explore and do those things
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: will just eat up. They would love getting up into
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: new country. And I mean you would love it getting
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: up high and just figuring things out, you know. Um,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: so what what's a what's a hunt like that? Look like?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Are you just figuring out a base and you want
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to get into getting up high and glass in a
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: lot until you find the deer ye're after in the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: making a move or do you start lowering glass up?
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: How does that kind of pan out? So? Um, it
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: just depends on the type of hump, but it is
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: you know, or where it's at you know. So, so
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: if you're if you're are you if you're specifically talking about,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: say if a mule deer hunt the first week in September,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: you know, high country mule deer hunt, Yeah, you're gonna
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: get up into those high basins. You know, find where
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: the water sources and the food source at that time,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and get up aside as you can do as much
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: scouting as you can on Google Earth and just looking
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: at the area of figuring it out once you experience
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and spend and experience is the greatest teacher one year.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: When you're up there with those animals year in and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: year out, you kind of figure out where they're going
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to be. Whether it's a mountain range in Idaho or a
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: a mountain range in Utah, the habits are going to
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: be very similar. You know, you're gonna look for those
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: those pockets, You're gonna look for the bitter brush, You're
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: gonna look for those things that that experience has taught
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you that those the places that those deer like to be.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: You know, Um, that's really that's really kind of kind
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: of how high mountain hunting is. Um, there's no guarantees
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and nothing is the same. Yeah, can you elaborate a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: little bit about what those types of areas look like.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in my situation last summer, I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time on Google Earth looking at
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: these mountain ranges and you know, taking things I've read
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: and trying to apply it to this this aerial I'm
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: looking at and saying, Okay, I see this pocket here
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: in this but it's kind of hard to translate that
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: into what it's actually like on the ground. What what
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: does good mule deer habitat look like in the high country?
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: You know, it could be it could be wide open,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: just tundra looking stuff. We're at up in the top
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: of the shale, you know. Um, we watched one of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: my brothers and i'd growing up. We watched one buck
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that would basically live in the shale and then he
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: would work his way around and park but under one
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: one little loan stage tree. I can't even remember what
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the heck of tree was like out the middle of nothing.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: And he just spent his life doing that. But you
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: couldn't kill him because you couldn't approach him. So he
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: obviously had figured that out. So, UM, where I hunt
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: a lot in Idaho, it is a little bit more open.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It's not as dance as what you might find in Montana,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the high country of Montana and in some of those
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: areas that are heavily wooded. So it's it just depends
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: on the area. Um. I always look for smopen basins,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: high basins, a lot of water, a lot of feed,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: and there's generally gonna be deer in there, you know,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: So is it I'm the first teacher because I'm I'm
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: just like, there's like a guy that wants to go
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: out and hunt, you know, and I've been doing it
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: since I was ten twelve years old. So to try
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: to explain what the terrain looks like, because the terrain
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: on one side of the mountain is going to be
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: entirely different to the other side. You know, I'm just
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you impossible questions. But I'm enjoying what I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: can take from this. I mean, there's there's so much
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: what I love about hunting new places, whether it's a
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Western white tail hunt or a mule deer hunt or
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: elk hunts or whatever. I love that process of discovery,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: like that process of trying to figure it all out,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: and even even in just a white tail hunt in
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a new place, just trying to figure out a new
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: property like we were talking about. I mean, that's kind
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: of that chest match that you mentioned. That's so cool
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: when you can slowly start to put the pieces together,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: figure out one thing today and then another thing tomorrow
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: and keep on adjusting, whether it be a tree stand
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: or whether it's where you're you know, glassing. It's pretty
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: cool when you can slowly accrue all that information right
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: and then finally see it payoff in some kind of way.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: That's that's for me what gets me so fired up. Yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you're in a decent area that
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: holds animals, you're gonna find animals where you're hunting, you know.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So if you're hunting the low the low Foot hills,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: you're gonna find animals in the low Foot hills out west.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I guarantee it. Are they going to be exactly what
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: you want? Maybe maybe not, but you're gonna figure out
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: how to hunt them there. You might take that same
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: exact mountain range and go up to the top. You're
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: probably gonna find deer up at the top two and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be acting, you know, the same as those
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: down the bottom. It's just the terrain is a little
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: bit different. So it's it's just you gotta adapt to
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: where to the area where you're at. You know, you
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to adapt to the species as much.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: He's like I said, animals want to eat drake bred
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: and be married, you know. Very true. So for for
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: a white tailed guy, let's say that's listening right now,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: that lives in the East coast or south and the
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: Midwest or something like that, that wants to go out
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: for their first Western hunt, what would you recommend as
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: far as species location, anything like that for like a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: first time or going west. What do you think would
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: be a good first time trip. You're talking to do
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: it yourself guy or a guy it's looking to have
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: some help. I'm interested in d I Y. I think
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I think most of our guys are d I Y. Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: So you figure out where you can obtain a tag,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: you know, are you're gonna have to put in for
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a drug. You're gonna be able to go to a
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: state that you can buy it over the counter. So
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that's you gotta figure that out once you Once you
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: narrow that down and say, okay, I'm just gonna I
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: don't want to start building points. Excuse me. You figure
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that out and you say, okay, why I need to
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: have the flexibility to buy a tag over the counter.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: So that narrows you down to Idaho, you know, or wherever.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Once you get that figured out, you say, Okay, which
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: area you know? Have you heard that is good hunting?
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Or which areas are the tag is good for you?
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: Figure out your area and then then you pull up
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Google Earth and just go to scouting. Um, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: spend hours and hours just looking at the maps figuring
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: out where water maybe, Um you know if that time
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: of year is they're gonna be is there gonna be
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: snowpack in there? I mean, are you gonna So you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: just just kind of do all your scouting pre scouting
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: and everything with Google Earth. And uh, that's the beautiful
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: thing I guess about social media and the beautiful land
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: bad thing is there's somebody out there that knows something
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: about almost every area, and somebody out there that's willing
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to talk about every area. So there's a lot of
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: networking going on and networking opportunities to figure to get
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: more information. Yeah, do you have a hard time with that?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of people reach out to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: you saying where are you hunting in that episode? Or
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: where should I go specifically for this trip or that trip?
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Is that something you have to deal with a lot? Yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: And I think I think a lot of that comes
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: from the younger crowd that you just really having figured
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: out the ATHLETs behind social media yet, you know, um
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: or just just value of someone's time in general. So
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: a lot of that comes from kids, and so you know,
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: you kind of feel that out and decide if you
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: want to take the time to of them out a
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: little bit or if you just ignore it. You know.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: But I hate to say that that I ignore things,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: But there's there's doing what I do there. It's the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: questions and comments are not in short supply. Let's put
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: it back, so you gotta you know, I pride myself
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: on responding to as many questions as I possibly can,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure I don't get nearly as many as
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys do. But at the end of
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the day, we're all on the same team and I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: want to see someone succeed. But that's when I get
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: those questions that more times than not, it's you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a teenager or you know a younger kid that just
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: just hasn't quite you know, figured out the ethics. I guess,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: don't they don't have to ask, I mean, you know,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, So so one more thing for
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: the first time, or is there a species that you
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: think is the best first time Western hunt species? Is
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: elk the way to go with the first time for
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: most guys. If you had to give a generic answer
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: or I don't know, what's what do you think is
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: that best be ginner Western animal to go for? It
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: depends on how adventurous the beginner is, you know. I mean,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: if you if you're looking to just not to just
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: have an experience of a lifetime right out of the gate,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: go outcome in middle of September. It doesn't get any better.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Even even if you don't lay eyes on a single animal.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: The sounds that you're gonna hear and the places that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get into will be enough of an adventure
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: for your first time you'll want to You'll be addicted
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and want to go back year after year. So so yeah,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I agree from my experiences chasing elk, does that ever
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: get old? Because this will be my fourth year I
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: think coming up elk hunting, and so far it hasn't
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: gotten old for me. But for you who's grown up
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: with it, is it still as good as it was
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: in the beginning. Yeah. I'll still spend three weeks chasing
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: alca and that's that's the beauty. Of you know, I
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: guess the approach that I take to hunting. Yeah, it's
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: it's my job now, or it's a big part of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: my job now. But I've always taken the approach to
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: hunting just like I would if if I was, you know,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: a school teacher. I still want to just enjoy the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: whild and I want to experience the animals as much
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: as I can. So I feel like my mentality isn't
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: much different than it would be otherwise. Um. Interesting, Yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: it's uh, there really is something to be said about
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: just being out there and soaking it all in. And
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, for me, one of the challenges
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I've kind of gone through, you know, from just being
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a hunter and then eventually starting to film my hunts
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and worrying about trying to capture on film and do
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: all the other things that go into it, and sometimes
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: there was kind of a level of like burnout where
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: I was just not enjoying the hunt as much as
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I should have been because I was too worried about
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the production of something or producing quote unquote trying to
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: get whatever it was I was trying to get. Have
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: you ever felt that Has that ever been something you've
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: had to deal with. Yeah, that's that's our fault, you know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: that's our choice. We've chosen to, uh, in order to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: have the careers that we have, We've chosen that that
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: handicap you know in a lot of ways. But I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: think gotta remember too, is the majority of the guys
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that are listening to as podcasts or the majority of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: hunters out there in the country, you're not They're not
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: screwed out with cameras because they're smarter than we are.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: If you if you almost have to. And that's one
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: of the things that I've kind of learned over over
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: the years. What solo hunter is there are there's there's
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: the following or the fan base that are hunters that
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: are into the hunting part of it, and then there's
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the fan base and the following that's that's addicted to
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: the filming side of it too. So I'm I'm just
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: assuming you know in this conversation that these guys are
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: just wanting to go out and hunt and experience hunting.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: They're not out there to necessarily, you know, document their
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: hunt on camera and film on all that. Because if
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: you're wanting to come out West for the first time
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: and film this awesome self filmed hunt you know, solo
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: hunt man. You're in for a piece of a challenge
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: right there. It's different than than self film and hunt
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: a tree stand, I can promise you. Yeah. So that's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: where guys like you and I have to kind of
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: keep that separation or you know that not everybody's out
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: there to film, but a lot of our you know,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: our specific fan base are out there to film. Yeah,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: So for those guys, because I don't know what you've seen,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: but I definitely think over the years, I've seen more
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: and more hunters want to pick up filming, you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: not for necessarily show or something, but just they want
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to have that footage for themselves look back at, or
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: to show their friends or maybe to start their own thing.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: For those types of people, UM, I don't know, what's
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: what would you do? You have any advice that to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: a person who wants to get started self filming? What
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: what do you tell people that want to get started
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: with that kind of thing to do it? I mean,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: if if that's what you want to do, then then
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: figure out you have to have an end goal in mind,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: and not necessarily end goal as in I want to
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: be a t guy you know, or I want to
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: have I want to produce a DVD, or I wanted this.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Have an end goal with what your hunt looks like?
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: When when you get home, what do you want that
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: video of production to look like? And then that's how
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you kind of work backwards and go into it that way,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: because if you if you just say I'm just gonna
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: film my hunt and you don't have a format or
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: a platform to showcase that format, then you're gonna go
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: out there, see a huge bowl out go over the ridge,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: and that cameras staying in the truck. You know, you
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: just hunt. You have to have when if you're going
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: to make that commitment to film, film it with a
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: purpose and with an end result in mind, because otherwise
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna have a bunch of footage. It's gonna
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: frustrate you and probably an empty truck band. Exactly what
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: what's your self filming set up look like? If you're
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: willing share that? Oh you bet? You bet? I need
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: to do I can't that question honestly, probably about three
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: or four times a day on the various social media
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: platforms and emails. I need to just do a video,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: But it's hard because I only have one video camera,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: so for me to do a video of of my
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: camera equipment is kind of counterproductive. I can't do it.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: That's a little tricky because you know, my wife's like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: why don't you buy another came I don't know. I
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: just never done. I need to do it, whether I
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: borrow Remy's camera or whatever. But I um, I personally
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: use a DSLR camera and I have one go Pro
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and that's basically it. Every once in a while a
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: haul a second go Pro for my head cam or
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: helmet cam. But the last I've kind of gotten away
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: from that a little bit too. Um So, mostly just
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: with a DSLR and a go Pro, and I don't
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: necessarily recommended DSLR. You know, a video camera is much
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: easier to film one used to. We are using the DSLR.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I like to creative control. I guess I'm a control freak.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Um No. I like to have the ability to, from
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a producer's standpoint, change up to looking the overall feel
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: of of the situation. You know, if if if the
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: situation is real intense, you know, and I've just missed
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: boil at thirty yards and I'm really kind of piste
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: off I'm gonna throw, you know, a nice, nice cinematic
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: lens on there with good, solid depth of field, and
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to it. And it's amazing what that
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: can do to a production. Just by changing up the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: overall look of a lens, you know, or a shot
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: you crunch, you crunch in that depth of field, or
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: you you open it up, it changes things completely. And
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: so I've learned as a producer that's that's my second
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: passion outside of hunting, is producing that if I can
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: change some of those things, it's it really just adds
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: to the dramatic effect without having to do anything different,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: without having to create drama. All I'm doing is filming
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: in a different way. No. One of the things I've
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: always thought about filming hunts of the DSLR that's got
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: to be so challenging is the fact that you are
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: a little bit more limited with the fact that you
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: might need to be changing lenses or you know, in
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: some cases you'll have a deer at ten yards and
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: then you might have something at und twenty yards, and
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: unless you've got a mega zoom lens, you might need
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: to be switching things out and changing things up. I mean,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: does that is that a huge hassle? Is that something
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: you deal with? Well, yeah, of course, where whether you're
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: filming with a DSLR, you're filming with a video camera,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: you're hunting, habits have to change for you to be successful.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: If you're hunting the same way you would um with
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: the camera as you would without the camera, you're not
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: gonna You're not gonna get into position to kill that
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: deer on camera, on film, I promise you. I mean,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: if I'm elk hunting by myself, I'm as aggressive as
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: it gets and I'm chasing those out down and getting
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: into pockets, and you're going to the animals. Well, to
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: self film your hunt, that's pretty counterproductive. To self film.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to set up an ambush situation
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: and have the animals come to you because you could
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: control it. You can actually film it and have that
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: animal unpressured and you know, not aware that you're there,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: and have a lot better opportunity to take your hand
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: off the camera, grab the bow and shoot. So just
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: by filming alone, you're hunting, You're hunting. Strategy changes either way.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: With a DSLR, it's more hands on. You know, you
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: got both hands on their trying to focus and zoom
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: and all that kind of junk, and but just it's
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: an added challenge for sure. Yeah. Now are you usually
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: running that ds and you're excusing your DSLR on a
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: tripod or I've seen you sometimes with what looks kind
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: of like a souped up selfie stick almost with the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: dsl are close to you, and then it looks like
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: maybe a go pro higher above that shooting down at you.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: What's that set up look like? So the video the
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: cameras always on a tripod, just with a fluid head.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: And then I've just kind of fashioned my own little
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: It's a broken shooting stick, is what it is. And
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I just slid over the top of the on on
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: on all the fluid heads or the tripod heads, they
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: have the handle, you know. I just cut off the
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: rubber off the handle and slid this shooting stick over
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: the back of that. It's about two nights feet long,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: and then I just attached my GoPro to the end
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: of that and it kind of gives a nice over
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the shoulder look. You can see the camera and if
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: you're lucky and see the elk or the deer, the
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: animal with the go probe, you know, but you can
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: kind of see, you see the action that's going on
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: as a cell filming. Yeah, what about in your tree
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: stand hunts? Are you rocking a camera or something like
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: that too? Yeah, always a camera, yeah, stabilities, stabilities, a key,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: So I have a using muddy or I'll use a
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: third arm, just depends on where I'm at um and
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: then just a go pro. That's a cool thing about
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: being stationary, you know, if you're out of a tree
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: stand or a ground blind, it's you can put go
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: pros wherever you want. I mean, I saw a picture
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: with you you must have seven or a go pros rapt. Yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: that wasn't that wasn't too functional of a setup. But
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I try to keep it simple. I've learned, you know,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: as a producer, there's there's an easy way and there's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: a hard way. And if you keep it easy and
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: just fix everything in post and that, yeah, and I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: and I personally end up with a better result than
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: trying to run three or four cameras at a time. Yeah.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: So what about that first time self film where I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: gotta believe you get this question a lot where someone's like, hey,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: what's what camera gears. Should I get to get started?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Do you have a basic setup? Do you recommend from
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: camera to tripod to whatever else I need? I do,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: I'm working on I ben working on it for years
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: at arth Last, actually, But there's there's a lot of
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: inexpensive HD cameras out there. I think one is a
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: canon HV. I mean I started out on the S
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: twenty or one. I first started solo on her, and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: but there's like an HD forty or something that's a
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: nice little nine dollar a thousand dollar camera shots great footage. Um,
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: you know, it's perfectly capable of a television show quality
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: as long as you're lighting and audio is good. But
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: and you can go all the way up from there,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: you know, Um, Ramy and I both for the last
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: two years, I've been shooting exclusively four K footage, so
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: that that gives us a lot more flexible allion post um.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: But again, it has its own set of challenges too. Yeah,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: you got some big files, then, huh, big files. But
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: I like that's the challenge with solo Hunter is is
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: we could overproduce it and and polish it up to
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: the point where it's not practical, not believable, or we
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: can keep it raw, and yet still try to have
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: the best video quality you can. Ye, what do you
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: think is the biggest mistake that most people make when
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: trying to film a hunt, whether it's something you've done
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: or something you've heard other people do. Is there anything
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: common that a lot of people are screwing up? They're
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: not filming enough to tell um a fully cohesive story,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: to show the story, you know. I mean, you can
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: tell a story all you want, but if if you
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: can show that and what happened on camera, that's that's
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: to me where most people it's not. I don't I
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't call it a mistake. It's just a challenge that
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: they haven't figured out yet, you know. So say, for instance,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: if I if I'm talking to the camera, I want
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: to give myself four or five, six or more reference
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: shots to reference what I just said, you know, and
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: most people, most guys are gonna see an al cup
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: on the ridge, film me up. They're gonna turn the camera,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: they're gonna say, hey man, there's a big freaking alt
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: cup on the ridge. I'm gonna go chase it down.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: And then they're gonna go and the next shot you
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: see is is them up on the ridge, Well, how
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: did you get there? You know? What? What else did
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: you see? What was the wind doing? You know, did
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you have your pack on or off? Just saying all
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: those little things that don't matter to the hunt, but
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: it matters to the post production, matters to the end
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: result as far as the video goes. And that's those
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: are typically the toughest shots to get because they require
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: you take that extra time to you know, go over
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: these extra things and when you really just want to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: be hunting, like we've been talking about, it takes a
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: certain amount of mental toughness or like dedication to actually
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: get those extra shots that set up the scenes and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: different things like that. You've gotta know when to hunt,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: no when to produce, you know, and if you can
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: do both, come b it was together half decent, then
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: you can you can end up with a TV show
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: called Solo Hunter on Outdoor Channel. Now Here. Here's a question, Tim,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: how many animals lives have been saved because of the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: fact that you've been trying to film a lot You'll
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: see this year there's there's quite quite a few. I'm
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: actually cutting together right now, Episode four and five, which
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: is my Idaho l hunt and those two episodes combined. Um,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I passed on a lot of bowls because I was
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: on some some really unique elk, big big bowls that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I wanted. But I missed one, two, three, four, five
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: five times, five times. And it's just it's just I
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: have no no excuse, man, no excuse. How do you how?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: This time kind of takes us to a whole another topic,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: but it's one that I think every hunter can relate
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: to or will someday whether they missed. Because in your situation,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: you know, trying to do a lot different things and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: filming everything or whatever else, how do you handle something
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: like that mentally, when you miss a deer or an
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: elk or an animal. What's your kind of mental process
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: for moving past that? The first time you miss a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: trophy class animally, you're gonna it'll tear you up. I mean,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: it'll eat you up. But then after you do it again,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: you'll realize it happens, you know. I just feel real
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: bad for the guys that miss like a two white tail,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: you know, or or hit him poorly and and don't
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: recover them and those kinds. That's that hurts a lot more.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: But when you're just a regular Joe Schmo hunter like
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: me out there hunting frenches and it's only a you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: a six by six, it's not a giant or whatever.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: You can't you can't beat yourself up over it. But
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: that's the other side of the coin too. I've been
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: hunting since I was you know, forever, and have I've
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to have a lot of opportunities to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: both kill and to miss, so it's it's easier for me.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I realized there's a lot of guys out there that,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: you know, shooting I've never shot a poping young white tail,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: whether it's it's because of where they live or where
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: they had you up, had the lack of opportunities of
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: places to hunt, um or new to hunting or whatever.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: But everybody's situation is completely different. So there, uh, their
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: initial reaction is is going to be a little bit different,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: you know. Um, So you you have to learn to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: control it it in your way. You know, I've missed
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: enough times now and have enough frustrations that it's I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: just laughing, move on. It's kind of what you have
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: to do at some point. Do you do you still
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: get buck fever? If any king? Oh yeah, oh, totally.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I mean with honestly, the cameras kind of have alleviated
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: that a lot because I have to put my mind
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: on the camera. Um, so that's that's helped with with
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: buck fever. But you know, I still get it. I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: still get it. I can't say that I got it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: last year at her I think I was just ah,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, I mean if you lose that excitement,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: you're you don't have a pulse. Yeah, exactly what what
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: situation or animal hits you the hardest in that way?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: What what experience will get your blood flowing, the heartbeat
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and the fastest make you lose your mind the most.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I think the animal that makes me lose my mind
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: the most and it gives me that has given me
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: the most buck fever um in my hunting life is
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer, you know. But I think a lot
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: of that has to do with the fact that, um,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: they're they're just they're just different, Like I don't know,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: they're just like coutting jackrabbits. You just don't know. Even
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: if you got that buck on trail camera coming out
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: of that corner or the cornfield into the the soybeans
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: or whatever. This the scenario might be he never does
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: it until like the ninth day in or whatever, or
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: the third year, and the next thing you know, you
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: you take a look at your left and there's that
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: buck standing there, and you're like, that buck is not
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: supposed to be standing there, because he hasn't the last
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: six years. And then they just have that ability of
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: creeping up on you. For for me personally, and maybe
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: that's because I've been around big newle deer and big
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: elk more than big white tails, but um, they just,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, for some reason, like my adrenaline just
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: gets pumping when I see a big white tail because
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: you're not supposed to see a big white tail. Yeah,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: there's to be reclusive. When when they finally do show up,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: it's it's such a culmination of all that planning, all
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: that time waiting. I think that might be part of
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: it for me too, is that, you know, while some
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: might view it as a negative of white tail hunting,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: the fact that there's a lot of sitting and waiting,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: I think all that anticipation kind of lends itself to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: that climactic moment being so intense when it actually does
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: appear and it all goes what you planned. It's there's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: a whole lot leading up to it that makes it
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: kind of a crazy moment. We'll put it this way
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: up when I'm when I'm chasing a bowl out that
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I've found, you know, a big bowl like I found
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: this year. I found a big bowl. I could go
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: up on hundred thousand private acres of public land and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I can find that bowl within a day or two.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: You know, you could take a hundred naighty inch white tail,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: or two white tail, or a hundred mature buck for
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: that matter, put him on a six aches or six
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: acre or farm, and you might not see him forever. Yeah,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: that's just the way white tails are until to me.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: That's what's so intriguing about them is and you don't
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: know if if a buck's gonna travel twenty miles during
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: the rut to your property from Mark Drewry's property. You
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: just don't know. So that's that's the cool thing about
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: white tail. But for big people, deer and elk, generally,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: if they're in the area, in the wide, in the
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: big country, you've got a good chance of planning him. Yeah,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I think you probably have a much better chance of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: finding him than I do, because I'm still not quit
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, but learning sets your expectations in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the right place, you know. I mean, I don't. I'm
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: not an inch, I'm not a nitch hunter. I don't.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I don't really care. If I see a deer in
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: the and the the siren goes off, then I'm chasing,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: you know what, no matter what the score. But I know,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: guys it will sit and just analyze deer with the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: spot in scope and and just count tinches and everything,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: and they have their goals in mind, and that's great
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: for them. But you know, by the time they decided
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: they're going to pass on that deer, he's that deer
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: is already the back of my truck. Pull the trigger.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Is there is there any certain deer hunt while we're
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: kind of talking about white tails again, is there any
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: white tail hunt that you've had that stands above all
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: the rest, that kind of sticks sticks with you for
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: some reason. Do you have any specific story that is
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: your top dear story? Um, I mean, I've had a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: lot of really good experiences hunting white tails. I mean
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: I've had, uh, you know, one buck several years ago
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: in Illinois. Probably there was the only time I've ever
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: hunted with a with an outfitter, and it's probably be
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: the last unless I'm chasing a mountain goat or a
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: big horn sheep or something. But you know, there was
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: a buck in there that that came out under the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: tree stand that seventy yards eighty yards in front of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: me top, you know, over the top of the dough
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: and he had an eleven inch drop time. And when
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: they ended up killing him in the week later, he
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: scored two hundred eleven inches and just just the beast
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: of a buck. And here we have all this awesome
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: video footage of this deer, you know, SD video footage
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: which is too bad, but and and everybody chasing it.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: So that was that was a good experience, you know.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I mean I had another huge buck in in Illinois,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: so those kind of stand out. But for me, for
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: my white tail experiences, my favorite thing in the world
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: is going to Oklahoma and hanging out with my buddies
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: at the Lodge. You know, We've got this this place
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: up in Northwest that that my friends Stacy's put together
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and we go out there and just hang out and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: have a good low key, you know, low pressured time,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: and that that to me, that's what white tail hunting
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: is for me, you know, l cunning and muleteer hunting
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: is a lot more serious, a lot more intense, and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: a lot more you know, a lot different, But why one.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: For me? White tails is just the relaxing mind game
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: type of a type of a hunt, hanging out with
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: my buddies because I can't, you know. Yeah, there's something
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: be said about that camaraderie aspect to a hunt that
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't require you to betod feet up on a ridge
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: versus being able to sit back a camp and and
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: grill something up and drink a beer and catch up.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are like the idea
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: of Western hunting and like the idea of spending time
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: at you know, over ten thousand feet and all that.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the reality is
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: it's difficult. It's tough, and it's brutal, and there are
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: times that it's not fun. But um, there's something that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: drives you to do it, you know, and I think
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: everybody should experience it once or twice. Um. But that's
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: where you know, different strokes for different folks is yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I agree, that's something that you know, since I've started
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: heading out west hunt. I've been coming back and telling
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: all my white tailed buddies, Hey, you really should try
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: at least once just experience that, because, like you said,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: it's so different in so many different ways. And while
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: it can be incredibly challenging in a lot of ways
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: and tough and it's not always hunky doory fun, I
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: think there's a powerful set of experiences that you can
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: only get on that type of thing, that type of
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: hunt that, like you said, different strokes for different folks.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: But if you ever thought about it, I would highly
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: recommend trying it. Yeah, if you're if you're an adventurous guy,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: go after the adventure, you know, I mean, don't just
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: limit yourself too and you and if you have the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: ability to, don't limit yourself to just just one thing
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: because it looks hard. You know, it's not. You're you're
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: hunting for a reason. There's no guarantee that you're gonna
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: see a seeing a trophy buck, let alone kill one.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: You know, you've gotta be prepared to eat some tag soup,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: go home empty handed. You're you're going out there for
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: the adventure and you're not going out there to to
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: fill the freezer. Yeah, I've I've definitely had to adopt
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that my and set because I've three out of four
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: times I've ate in my tax so or two dree
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Now, so you know out west,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: you know the archer's success as well under ten. Right. Yeah,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to keep going out
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: here because right now I'm above average, But if I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: keep moving out I might go downhill. Yeah. I think
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: that's because there are so many of us hunters that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: are at different skill levels or different levels in their
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: their lives or their careers and or their desires, you know.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: And that's the beautiful thing about it is hunting is
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: such an individual relationship with you and God and nature
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: that you have to get out of it what you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: want out of it and what you're willing to put
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: into it, because you can't look at what somebody else
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: is getting and expect to get that same result unless
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: you're working, unless you're putting in the same effort as
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: that person. Yeah, And I think that's one of the
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: it's interesting to bring that up. I mean, that's one
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: of the there's a lot of great things about the
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: med the hunting media. You know, what you do and
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: what I do and all these other guys sharing our
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: experiences or lessons learned and think there's a lot of
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: great things we can do. But I think one of
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: the unfortunate kind of side effects of that is that
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: you do get a lot of people watching or reading
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: or listening, and you know, like you just said, they
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: assume that they should be able to get the same
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: results or see the same thing, or have the same experience.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of different variables. There's a lot
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: of different factors that go into whether or not you
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: will have that experience, if you can have that experience,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: And unfortunately, think that affects expectations a lot. I mean
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: you're only seeing you don't post to when you have
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: a bad day. I mean you're only seeing the what
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: people want you to see. You know, there's a lot
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: of unrealistic expectations out there because of social media. UM.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a huge fan of what it does
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: and what it can do for for a person and
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: for their career and what it's done for mine. But
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: at the at the same token, I'm a huge proponent
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: that social media is bad for the industry too. I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: mean that everything everything against hunters, UM, the avenue is
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: there because of social media, and it's it's creates this
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: opportunity for for people to not show hunting how it
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: needs to be shown, you know, and how what it
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: means to me. I mean, I mean it's something different
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: for everyone. But social media is gonna ruin hunting. There's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: there's it's it's been a great thing for it and
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: for the brands and the businesses that that can grow
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: and experience growth because of it. But at the end
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: of the day, it's my prediction that social media is
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: what's going to cause division between uh, you know, hunters
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: and people's and different things because it's not it's true
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: and clear picture of what reality is. It's a true
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: and clear picture of what Mark Kenyan and Tim Burnett
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: want people to assume there the reality of their lives aren't. Yeah,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of things about the implications of
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: social media that they're concerning, whether you within the hunting world,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: like you just said that kind of thing like creating
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: false expectations and stuff like that, or on the other side,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: you know, like the types of issues we've had here
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: where non hunters catch win of a photo or something
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: that someone posted on social media that maybe isn't bad
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: taste or you know, when you don't know the context
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: of it, it seems really concerning to people on the
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: other side of the aisle or whatever. And then you
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: see that kind of stuff blow up into this huge
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: anti hunting media storm. And there's a lot of stuff
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: that that concerns me, that's for sure. There's a lot
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: of people in there, are a lot bigger than me
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: in the industry that are just out there looking for
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: a fight, and they need to just not be looking
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: for a fight because it's a lot of people, I
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: think think that because someone makes you know, some anti
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: hunter posts on you know, makes a comment on their
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: posts that it's a badge of honor. No, you just
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: stirred up a fight that didn't need to be there.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: You know. Um, I don't understand the constant need for
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: attention that social media has driven people too. If I
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: didn't have to do it, um, you know, for from
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: business and from my career, I probably wouldn't. Um. I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: enjoy it. I enjoy the interaction with people and with
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: my with the partners that I work with, But um,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: you know, it goes against my personality and and you know,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: but it's it's here. We have to just do our
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: best to represent ourselves and the sport of hunting in
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: the right way. And if that means, you know, sending
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: a private message to a teenager that's posted a distasteful
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: photo and and things, and just you know, giving them
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: your opinion and hoping that they respect that. And that's
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: what that means, because it's it's our place to teach
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: the younger people um coming up into this in this industry.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: You know, some of the ropes that we've learned learned
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: over the years. There's a lot of stuff on there that, man,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: it just makes me cringe. And I voiced my opinion
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: on things like a bear being killed with a spear
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: and different things, and and had my my butt kicked
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: for that. But you know, there's things that you don't
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: believe in, and if we don't say anything, who will. Yeah,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think there's a lot
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: of people, you know, there's a lot of this, Uh,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's it's hard to know what's what
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: anymore these days because there's a lot of people that
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: say you should not be criticizing or you know, raising
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: concerns about other hunters. Because you are trying to, you know,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: divide hunters. We shouldn't be dividing each other. We should
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: be supporting each other one in every way because there's
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: so many other people outside the hunting community that are
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: attacking us anyways. But on the other hand, to your point,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: if we don't police our own in a respectful, you know,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: considerate way, we're also opening ourselves up to a lot
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: of other issues. I think, when there's someone poking holes
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: in the boat, I don't I'm not gonna let the
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: boat flood, I would. I think you need to plug
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: that if you can, and try to fix it in
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a proper way. And what if that means, like you said,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: sending someone a note and saying, hey, you know, what
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: you're doing there is isn't really helping the cause. I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: think that's great advice, not only for some in the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: hunting industry, but for every hunter out there. You know,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: if any of us see something out there, take the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: time to talk to your fellow hunter, your friend, or whoever.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: And maybe they didn't think about how other people might
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: perceive this post or that photograph or what you said
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: in that video. You know. Yeah, the reality of it
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: is is that guy's decision to post the way he
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: did affects my life and my career because if it
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: has a negative and adverse effect of what how hunting
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: is perceived by even people within our sport, that affects
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: our sport, and that affects me. You know, it's it's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: a selfish thing a lot of times, a lot of
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: these posts that we do in different things, but we
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: have to sit back and realize we're not just affecting
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: our our lives and what people think of us. It's
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: affecting me, you know, it's affecting those of us that
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: look at it as as a lifestyle and a career.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: And probably people listening are thinking, man, here goes Mark
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: again talking about this topic because I talked about a
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: lost up a lot before. Uh huh. But I just
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: think it's so important. I mean, I just think that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: you know, in today's world, where we hunters are, you know,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: like less than five percent of the population in America.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: You know, we are at the mercy of the non
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: hunting general public unfortunately. You know, it's a privilege that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: we're able to go out there and hunt and fish
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: and do these different things. And if if the perception
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: of everyone on the outside is that we are not
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: doing things the right way or that what we do
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be acceptable by their standards. Well, we're
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: going to lose that privilege. Whether we we like that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: fact or not, it's just kind of a reality. So
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: I just think it's very important that we're careful about
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: how we're perceived and how we represent ourselves. And um,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll probably keep preaching it till the day
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: this show goes down the tube. Well that's that's the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: thing is, you know, at the end of the day,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: all of this could go away tomorrow, you know, and
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: and likelihood it probably will some day, you know. I mean,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's we just have it's up to us
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: to continue to fight the fight and do the right
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: things so that we can ensure that it doesn't you know.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: But um who else Absolutely, Well, I'm gonna try to
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: pivot off of my people post here whatever I am
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: up on the uh my, My last thing I was
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: kind of curious for you, Tim, was what's what's next
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: for you? Like, what's your next bucket list hunt? What
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: haven't you done that you really still want to do? Um,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: I'd like to draw a sheep tag. I'd like to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: draw a mountain goat tag. Um, you know, that'd be
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: that'd be nice to do before I get old, older
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: and fatter. Um. I'm not one that wants to take
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: away from my kids college fund to uh to go
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: and and splurge on a sheep hunt. I'm just not
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: going to do that. It's not that important to me. Um.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna keep putting in for for hunts
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: and doing what I can. I went on a Barbary
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: sheep hunt this year for the first time. I'll probably
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: go to New Zealand again. I'm hoping to get to Australia,
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: you know. But there's there's so many do what yourself
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: opportunities with some great people all across the country and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: all across the world that um, you know, there's a
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: great community and opportunities a guy can go and hunt
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: and experience different things without having to break the bank.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's one thing that I've I've really
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: pride myself on. Isn't that I'm not spending anymore on
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: a hunt than Mark Kenyon would on that same hunt. Yeah,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and more of those because of the career that I have.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: But I'm not out there booking hunts without fitters and
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: doing high dollar hunts because I want to up my
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: badassery factor. I'm doing hunts that I would be doing
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: as you know, a middle aged father would do anyway.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: So those are the things that I enjoy and that's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: what I'll continue to do. But hopefully I can can
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: expand expand on that a little bit. That's awesome. So
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: what about for the show? What where do you want
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: to take things next? What's what's in the future. I
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  Speaker 1: like the direction Solo Hunter has been, you know, um,
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  Speaker 1: the last several years. I think we'll continue to have
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  Speaker 1: that road. Obviously trying to do better at hunting and
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  Speaker 1: better at filming. UM. Last year I did a project
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  Speaker 1: with Prime and G five, hosting a show for them
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  Speaker 1: that we did on Sportsman Channel in Pursuit and a
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  Speaker 1: little mini series. Hopefully we'll be able to continue to
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  Speaker 1: do some of that because you know, I've have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of passions in life. Hunting is one of them,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of other things too. Um. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if I can break seventy on my golf game this summer,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be it's it's it's hunting is part of my life.
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  Speaker 1: It's not all of my life, and I'm grateful to
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  Speaker 1: have it, but there's a lot of things that I
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  Speaker 1: would like to continue to do as a you know,
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  Speaker 1: a goal oriented person, not just a hunter. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see the progression and see how things
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  Speaker 1: continue to grow and loving what you've been doing so far.
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  Speaker 1: So for for people that want to either discover what
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  Speaker 1: you've been doing with Solo Hunter or get more of it,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: where can they find stuff online? So the website is
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: probably the central location for everything as far as video
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  Speaker 1: out on social media links and that's solo hunter dot com.
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  Speaker 1: So there's there's two different website you know, you r
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  Speaker 1: l as a person can type in it's s O
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  Speaker 1: L O h N t R dot com, or they
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  Speaker 1: can type in the solo Hunter all spelled out dot
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  Speaker 1: com um or just google solo Hunter and command it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's you will you'll not you'll not be
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: able to not find it perfect. Well, that's easy enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'll make sure to put links in this blog post
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: for anyone that wants to check out the website. And
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: you you're across most social media platforms too, right, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so Instagram is kind of where where all social media
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: starts with me and then it kind of feeds into
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter just gets whatever's left over. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I say, social media is there too to
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  Speaker 1: uh have the connection with those that like what we do,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: and so we'll continue to do that. Um and then
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: YouTube is is really also another kind of focus, just
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: trying to get more good eos out, more so than
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: just the episodes that we have, trying to expand that.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's a if. Anytime you add
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: another project, it's that much more time, that much more work,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: and it's gotta makes sense at the end of the day.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not in this to have the most eyeballs on
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: Tim Burnett and to to show how big of a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: stud Tim Burnett is. I'm in this, you know, as
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: a lifestyle and as as a passion as well as
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: a business. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Now, Yeah, I think
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: you've got I know you have some of your episodes
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if you have all. Do you
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  Speaker 1: have all of your episodes available online through vh X
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: or just a certain number of them. Yeah. So vh
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: X only has two seasons. The last two season season
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  Speaker 1: five and season six because it no, I've only had
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: season six. I'm there, that's right. Um, YouTube has the
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: last three seasons of episodes with an exception of the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: last it's kind of continued the last six of this
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: last Fall. So when you when you're on the networks,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: you're under contractual obligation not to release any episodes until
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: a certain time frame because of the their dealings with
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: with the network providers. So if you go on YouTube,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: we're up to I think episode eight of last Fall,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: last season, so season six, episode eight is up there,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll be uploading episode of nine here another week
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: or so. Well. Definitely good stuff to check out. And
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: what about the new season? When's that premiering? When should
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: we be looking for? That? Premieres on Outdoor channel June.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: So the show is on every Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: mornings at nine thirty am. I think the network might
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: have must have a vendetta out against me because they
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: took away my evening time slots and gave me all mornings.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's all right, we'll show them. We'll crush
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: the ratings again and you know, people, people will find
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: the show if they like it. They're going to find
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: it no matter when it airs. But you know, I'm
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: not one of uh, I'm not a greasy wheel and
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not one of the favorites, so I don't get
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: the awesome time slots. But hey, you worship is changing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you'll see a lot a lot more digital
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: stuff going on, and I think from everything I've seen,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: I think you're positioning yourself very well for the digital
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: the move to digital that's happening more and more. That
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: people find the stuff they like and they enjoy, and
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: from everything I've seen and heard, I think a lot
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: of people are enjoying what you're putting out there, So
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: I think the digital stuff will continue do well. I
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: don't think people realize they've been on YouTube for almost
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: ten years now, so that's really you know, it's been
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: digital has been the only constant since since then. Pretty much. Yeah,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: great stuff, Well toon, this has been This has been fun.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this. I think I learned a few
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: things that will help me this fall, which I appreciate,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: and I think a lot of our listeners have too.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: So so thanks for joining us. Thank you man, I
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Let's definitely stay in touch and hopefully I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: have some good stories to tell the season. Yeah that
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: sounds great. Good luck on your hunt. Thank you you too, Alright,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: so there you go. Before we shut it down, though,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: we do need to thank our partners who helped make
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: this podcast possible. So big thanks to Sick Gear, Trophy, Ridge,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Huntera, maps Ozonics, Carbon Express, Maven Optics,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: and the White Tail Institute of North America. And finally,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: thank you all for tuning in today. I hope you
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: enjoyed this one and maybe you got the bug to
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: head out on an adventure of your own. So until
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: next time, thanks again and stay wired to Hunt