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Credlin | 3 October · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Skyings Australia.
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Speaker 2: Hey, look a terrific at editorial tonight from my colleague
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Speaker 2: there Chris Kenny. If you haven't listened to it, it's
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Speaker 2: about why Hamas did what they did about twelve months ago,
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Speaker 2: I urge you to have it. Listen. Good evening, welcome
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Speaker 2: to show. What's coming up on my show tonight. A
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Speaker 2: we'd have salts to New South Wales with protesters rightly
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Speaker 2: ditching plans to hold rallies on the one year anniversary
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Speaker 2: of the October seven attacks, but they're still pushing for
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Speaker 2: Sunday now. Unfortunately Victoria, no change of heart for protesters
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Speaker 2: or Labor premier as little stunder stampowered hatred on the
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Speaker 2: streets of Melbourne. Another looming threat for Labor electorally the
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Speaker 2: former ALP senator now independent Fatima Payment set to launch
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Speaker 2: your own political party. So, given Labour's already losing favor
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Speaker 2: with Buslom voters, we'll speak with the polster cos Samarus
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Speaker 2: about what this means for the upcoming election. Plus an
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Speaker 2: exert will explain exactly how Israel's defense systems work, in
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Speaker 2: particular the Iron Dome. I know many of you have
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Speaker 2: sent me emails wanting to know more. It's been brilliantly
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Speaker 2: effective today, but can it withstand sustain attacks from Iran?
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Speaker 2: Or dig into that in the moment and John Anderson
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Speaker 2: a little later in the show for his assessment on
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanese's leadership as Peter Darton delivers the clarity missing
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Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister when it comes to terrorism and
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Speaker 2: protests from those who support us.
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Speaker 3: They don't represent civilization as we know it and as
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Speaker 3: we cherish and as we fought for Australians. I think
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Speaker 3: of generations past would be rolling in their graves seeing
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Speaker 3: what the Prime Minister is presiding over at the moment.
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Speaker 2: But first, after warning for weeks at Australians living in
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Speaker 2: Lebanon should leave. The Almanezer government's now organizing evacuation flights.
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Speaker 2: This is to allow passport holders to escape any fallout
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Speaker 2: from Israel's self defense against the Hesbalad terror group, which
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Speaker 2: has effectively taken over much of Lebanon, particularly areas in
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Speaker 2: the south, and have used it as a base for
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Speaker 2: regular attacks on civilians in northern Israel. Here's the Foreign
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Speaker 2: Minister telling Australian passport holders still in Lebanon. But the
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Speaker 2: government has secured flights out today.
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Speaker 4: We have secured eighty seats on flights that are leaving today.
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Speaker 4: We have secured an additional five hundred seats for Australians
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Speaker 4: Australian permanent residents, and there are few immediate family members
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Speaker 4: on two flights to Cyprus which we'll be leaving on Saturday.
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Speaker 2: But of the eighty places out today here is the uptake.
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Speaker 4: Only thirty five of those seats have been taken up.
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Speaker 2: So of the fifteen thousand or so Australian passport holders
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Speaker 2: thought to be in Lebanon at any one time, and
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Speaker 2: of the nearly two thousand of them registered with our diplomats,
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Speaker 2: they're wanting, they say, to depart Lebanon or not. Too
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Speaker 2: many of them are any rush to escape despite the
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Speaker 2: Israeli action. Now they might be Australian passport holders, perhaps
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Speaker 2: even living in Lebanon on Australian pensions, but they're not
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Speaker 2: in any great hurry to leave, are They make you
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Speaker 2: me wonder if they're Australians of convenience rather than conviction.
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Speaker 2: After months of warnings, is it the job of the
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Speaker 2: Australian taxpayer to get people out of a country that
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Speaker 2: they've been told to leave but haven't. And what will
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Speaker 2: be the cost of these five hundred plus seats and
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Speaker 2: possibly down the track specially chartered flights. Now, these are
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Speaker 2: legitimate questions that the government needs to be upfront about
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Speaker 2: and answer. On the question of Israel's right at international
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Speaker 2: law to defend itself and its people, Wong at least
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Speaker 2: today managed to acknowledge that.
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Speaker 4: Israel has a right to defend itself against these attacks.
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Speaker 4: We have virtual parties to show restrain and de escalate.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, though, is this where we are at that we
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Speaker 2: need even to remind the world that a democracy has
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Speaker 2: the right to defend itself against a terrorist organization? Haws
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Speaker 2: that even a debating point. Now, the fact that it
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Speaker 2: is just highlights the anti Israel insanity of these times,
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Speaker 2: but it goes to the heart of Labour's lack of ticker.
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Speaker 2: This is a government that's much more ready to deploy
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Speaker 2: the armed forces for evacuations than for combat. As we
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Speaker 2: go to where tonight there's a RAF aircraft on standby
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Speaker 2: to help evacuations, apparently in Cyprus, So the albit eazy
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Speaker 2: government can send a plane to Cyprus, but it could
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Speaker 2: not send a frigate to the Red Sea as asked
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Speaker 2: by our allies, because that might have involved using force
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Speaker 2: against a terrorist group disruptive freedom of navigation. It all
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Speaker 2: adds to the impression of weakness and moral confusion that's
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Speaker 2: now enveloping the Albanesi government. And weakness again, as former
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Speaker 2: soldiers like Andrew Hasty reminds us, weakness is provocative, provocative
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Speaker 2: in the Middle East and provocative at home with terrorist
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Speaker 2: sympathizers here in Australia. Monday, as we all know, is
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Speaker 2: the one year anniversary of the October seven atrocities, and
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Speaker 2: yet again significant numbers of Australians want to commemorate the
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Speaker 2: terrorist murderers rather than remember their victims. While many Australians
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Speaker 2: will no doubt want to attend the vigils and services
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Speaker 2: for the twelve hundred innocents killed that day and the
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Speaker 2: two hundred brutalized as hostages, the Australians also want to
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Speaker 2: attend protesters protests it seems, against the Israeli government, the
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Speaker 2: Israeli people, and for reasons I simply cannot comprehend Jewish
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Speaker 2: people everywhere. As someone whose youth included many reminders of
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Speaker 2: the Holocaust and the never again mindset it generated. It's
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Speaker 2: hard to credit how many Australians seem to be pro hamas,
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Speaker 2: pro Hesblah and anti Israel. October nine last year, when
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Speaker 2: hundreds rallied at Sydney's Opera House to celebrate the slaughter
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Speaker 2: of these innocence, was our own day of infamy. Then
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Speaker 2: there were the constant exaltations from Islamist preachers.
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Speaker 5: The invading as we see, but I love the day
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Speaker 5: you will be kicked out of Palestini's coming. The trees
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Speaker 5: will speak, the soul will speak, and I'll say, believer,
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Speaker 5: there is a Yahoodi behind me, Come and kill him.
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Speaker 6: Sufa min si fatil yahud.
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Speaker 7: Hiyah and nahum shahbaly Safti.
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Speaker 2: Dema and its celebrating terrorism wasn't enough. We've just had
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Speaker 2: thousands mourning the death of a terrorist leader on Monday.
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Speaker 2: There's a very real risk, indeed, the likelihood that what
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Speaker 2: should be quite rightly a day of mourning for the
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Speaker 2: friends of Israel will become yet another day of protests
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Speaker 2: for Israel's local enemies. South Wales Premier Cris Binns has
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Speaker 2: backed the new South Wales Police opposition to the police
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Speaker 2: to oppose any authorization for public protests by anti Semitic
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Speaker 2: activists on Monday. Other labor leaders from the PM down, well,
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Speaker 2: they've said that I want the protests to go ahead,
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Speaker 2: but without signaling any action to prevent them. And they've
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Speaker 2: also stressed the right to protest, basically making them despite
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Speaker 2: being our leaders helpless bystanders, accepting that there's a right
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Speaker 2: to protest, but weekly hoping it won't be exercised. Now.
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Speaker 4: I would hope that we would exercise our rights in
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Speaker 4: this democracy for peaceful process, respectfully and appropriately.
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Speaker 2: What has happened to our country that we now have
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Speaker 2: large numbers of people supporting terrorist groups over a fellow
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Speaker 2: liberal democracy and a government that's not prepared to take
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Speaker 2: any serious action against them. And yet just a few
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Speaker 2: years back, these same labor governments, state governments in particular,
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Speaker 2: we're more than having to take savage action against Australians
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Speaker 2: during the recent pandemic, media.
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Speaker 6: Drawing stuff now and okay, they're shooting, they're now shooting.
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Speaker 2: Oh. I live in the inner city of Melbourne and
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Speaker 2: I never want Australians to forget that, to forget that
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Speaker 2: footage that we lived as Melbournian's with on our streets
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Speaker 2: throughout a record six lockdowns. What's happened to our country
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Speaker 2: that freedom protesters cap tear gasid rubber bullets, an anti
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Speaker 2: Semitic hatred those protests has rarely said the inside of
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Speaker 2: a court and certainly nothing like the police action I
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Speaker 2: just showed you that was commonplace in Melbourne. Any unauthorized
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Speaker 2: protest is coming Monday. Indeed, any protest that might lead
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Speaker 2: to a breach of the peace should be broken up,
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Speaker 2: flags confiscated and protesters arrested. Again, it's worth remembering those
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Speaker 2: lines from Churchill. I refuse, he said, to be impartial
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Speaker 2: as between the fire brigade and the fire. I decline utterly,
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Speaker 2: he said on Monday, as we commemorate the dead from
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Speaker 2: October seven. There is a right and a wrong. There
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Speaker 2: is a fire and there is a fibrigade, and it's
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Speaker 2: up to all of us to know what side we're
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Speaker 2: really on and then do something about defending it right
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Speaker 2: up until election day. All right, Let's go to Camper
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Speaker 2: now for the headlines. Sky News political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 6: Good evening, the government is holding out hope of a
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Speaker 6: non violent solution to the Middle East conflict, prompting claims
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Speaker 6: from the coalition it's willing to appease terrorists. We have
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Speaker 6: virtual parties to show restraight and de escalate.
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Speaker 3: Israel is facing an existential threat of extinction.
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Speaker 6: The United States argues Israel's ground invasion into southern Lebanon
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Speaker 6: is a necessity to diminish Hesbla's military assets.
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Speaker 7: The end goal really is to push back Hezbla away
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Speaker 7: from the Israeli border.
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Speaker 6: Labor continues its plea for peace.
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Speaker 8: We have added our voice to an international call led
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Speaker 8: by the United States for a twenty one day ceasefire.
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Speaker 2: This is the moment for diplomacy, a.
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Speaker 6: Call the opposition claims breaks step with our allies.
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Speaker 3: If Richard Miles wants to go down the appeasement path
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Speaker 3: of Anthony OBERNSI, that's in the you for him.
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Speaker 6: The Greens leader has rejected claims one of his senators
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Speaker 6: has created a toxic workplace. The way that parliamentarians deal
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Speaker 6: with complaints that come before them is absolutely critical. Nine
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Speaker 6: newspapers report twenty staff have left the office of Senator
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Speaker 6: Derinda Cox over the past three years. Some have lodged
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Speaker 6: complaints with the Parliament's support service. And if there's recommendations,
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Speaker 6: of course everyone is going to look at them.
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Speaker 9: But that's the process.
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Speaker 6: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, lots to get across. I'll bring it in
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Speaker 2: the panel now, Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis and the
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Speaker 2: Deputy Executive Director of the IPA, Daniel Wilde Gens. I
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Speaker 2: want to start with the leadership around this whole issue
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Speaker 2: as we head into obviously Monday's commemorative services about the
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Speaker 2: October seven atrocities. Very different responses today from the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister and Peter Dutton on the issue of supporting Israel.
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Speaker 2: Here's Peter Darton in the Bill and Seat of Chisholm today.
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Speaker 3: The Prime Minister at the moment is damaging our relationship
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Speaker 3: with our key allies. President Biden has been very clear
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Speaker 3: in his support for our ally in Israel. We've seen
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Speaker 3: President Macron, We've seen Prime Minister Tradeau, We've seen many
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Speaker 3: leaders who have shown absolute clarity where the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: has not.
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Speaker 2: And here to the Prime Minister being pressed on the issue.
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Speaker 10: Don't Israel have the right to send troops into Lebanine.
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Speaker 11: What we want to do is to reiterate the call
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Speaker 11: that we have. Israel, of course, has a right to
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Speaker 11: defend itself. We issued a joint statement with thirteen nations
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Speaker 11: just a week ago.
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Speaker 12: Do you acknowledge that in order for Israel to the
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Speaker 12: dead itself secured safety does in order rating it must
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Speaker 12: disable Hasbela under the Israelian government support its effort to
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Speaker 12: take out Hasbella's.
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Speaker 11: Infrastructure, Hesbela as a terrorist organization. We have been working
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Speaker 11: with like minded countries and issuing appropriate statements such as
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Speaker 11: the one that I referred to.
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Speaker 2: Okay, it keeps referring back there to that joint statement
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Speaker 2: on September twenty sixth, But that's just about a ceasefire,
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Speaker 2: calling for ceasefire from both sides. There's not any direct
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Speaker 2: support for Israel in that statement, and they're certainly not
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Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister today or in recent days. Daniel,
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Speaker 2: First to you, Peter Dutton's pointed this out. A whole
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Speaker 2: lot of other leaders around the world have been emphatic,
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Speaker 2: crystal clear about their support for Israel. Now give me
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Speaker 2: your sense of this politically. Will this become a flashpoint
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Speaker 2: between the two leaders and in the community. Do you think.
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Speaker 13: It will be, Peter, and it already is Peter Dutton
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Speaker 13: has shown strong, unequivocal leadership in supporting our only democratic
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Speaker 13: ally in the Middle East. In his Israel, the Prime
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Speaker 13: Minister is clearly in over his head on this. Maybe
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Speaker 13: he means well, I don't know, but he is basically
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Speaker 13: a student activist that's found his way into the lodge
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Speaker 13: and this is just all a bit beyond him. I
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Speaker 13: think that this is well beyond just the Middle East.
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Speaker 13: It's not just about supporting Israel, but as you alluded
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Speaker 13: to in your monologue, Peter, it's about actually standing up
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Speaker 13: for Australia's shared values. If we can't agree on the
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Speaker 13: basic principle of religious tolerance, what can we agree on
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Speaker 13: as a society. I think it goes to this bigger
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Speaker 13: issue of multiculturalism in an age of mass migration, which
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Speaker 13: is clearly not working. I know that Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 13: the Coalition have been dealing with this issue and they
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Speaker 13: need to do much more in government. But you know,
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Speaker 13: in terms of how this plays out in the community, Peter,
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Speaker 13: I think it is drawing a very stark contrast between
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Speaker 13: the moral clarity of Peter Dutton and the appeasement mentality
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Speaker 13: and the very weak mentality of Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 2: Look, there's not just a contrast between Peter Dutton and
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister James. There's a contrast between Anthony Albertezy
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Speaker 2: and Penny Wong on one side, and people like Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins are the premier in your state of New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: Now again, I think he's better stand out in all
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Speaker 2: of this. He's not mincing his words in relation to
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Speaker 2: these protests, and you've got an update for us tonight.
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Speaker 2: We understand obviously protests planned for during the day on
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Speaker 2: the Monday. Protesters now say they'll stand down from that,
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Speaker 2: but there's going to be other protests around this commemorative period,
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Speaker 2: isn't there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've come to an agreement Peter after the police
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Speaker 1: took this to court. So basically there will be a
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Speaker 1: protest on Sunday is my understanding, and then on Monday
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Speaker 1: October seven, the anniversary of the atrocities committed by Hamas
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Speaker 1: on Israel, there will be a vigil. Now this is
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Speaker 1: obviously led to the end of this legal action. I
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Speaker 1: have to say I still have significant concerns about this.
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Speaker 1: I think it's highly inappropriate for a protest group, a
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Speaker 1: pro Palestinian protest group to be having any sort of
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Speaker 1: demonstration on Monday October seven. It was irrelevant. It was
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Speaker 1: done on very silly and unjustifiable terms to say this is,
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Speaker 1: you know, three hundred and sixty five days since what
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Speaker 1: we've seen in Gaza and the genocide. That number was
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Speaker 1: completely made up. It was done, I think to provoke
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Speaker 1: the Israelis and ultimately what we saw last year, those
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Speaker 1: absolutely disgraceful scenes that you highlighted earlier on in both
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Speaker 1: Melbourne and Sydney, where the Israelis were meant to be
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Speaker 1: given the opportunity to go to the Opera House and
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Speaker 1: to mourn the horrific incidents in Israel and instead were
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Speaker 1: met by an angry group of pro Palestinians who were
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Speaker 1: burning flags and screaming all sorts of atrocious things. So
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Speaker 1: I have to say, yes, there is you know, there's
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Speaker 1: been a negotiation today, it's no longer in court. But
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Speaker 1: I do have significant concerns about how this is going
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Speaker 1: to play out over the next few days. And I
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Speaker 1: don't think the Prime Minister, who in recent times has
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Speaker 1: resorted to que cards and just political points and consistently
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Speaker 1: says this is our position on things, has shown the
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Speaker 1: leadership that we've seen from Chrismans and New South Wales
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Speaker 1: who is determined for the disaster of last year not
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Speaker 1: to happen again.
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Speaker 2: So, James, just to be clear, there'll be a pro
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Speaker 2: Palestine rally on the Sunday, and rather than the pro
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Speaker 2: Palestinian lobby turning up to the Jewish events on the Monday,
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Speaker 2: they will have their own event on the Monday. Now
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Speaker 2: that was what people wanted to avoid any events. Whatso
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Speaker 2: we'll pro Palestinian in nature on the Monday. But what
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Speaker 2: will occur It would just be distant from the Jewish events.
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Speaker 7: Is that right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct, And I think we know how the
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Speaker 1: court system works. I think you could argue a legal
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Speaker 1: mind could say that's the best possible result to have
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Speaker 1: something on Sunday, which is larger I think it will be.
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Speaker 1: There's talk of it being ten fifteen thousand pro Palestinian
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Speaker 1: activists out and about. But the Monday event is going
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Speaker 1: to be a vigil in just one spot that the
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Speaker 1: police can keep more of an eye on, and therefore
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Speaker 1: it can be a legal event. So we'll have to
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Speaker 1: wait and see how that occurs. I mean, look, to
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Speaker 1: be honest, the way that this is unfolded in Sydney
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Speaker 1: over the last year has been a terrible example of
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Speaker 1: what Daniel pointed out in terms of how multiculturalism should
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Speaker 1: not work, and that is that the moment you get
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Speaker 1: to Australia, you should be leaving all of those views
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Speaker 1: to one side. We all live here peacefully. You respect
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Speaker 1: everyone's views. You don't start taking to the street and
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Speaker 1: celebrating terrorist organizations. And sadly that's what we've seen in Sydney.
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Speaker 1: And let's just hope it doesn't happen in the next
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Speaker 1: few days. But I still have some concerns about something
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Speaker 1: going wrong here.
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Speaker 2: Now let's just go to the issue of Australians in Lebanon,
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Speaker 2: or people with Australian passports and they almost permanently live
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Speaker 2: in Lebanon. That's often the case, Daniel. I have no
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Speaker 2: issue sending in herk military aircraft etc. If in the
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Speaker 2: case of something like the Barley bomby, we need Australians
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Speaker 2: medivaced out. We need to get Australians out where there
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Speaker 2: are no commercial flights with things turn south very quickly.
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Speaker 2: But we have been warning as a government Australians for
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Speaker 2: months and months and months now to get on commercial
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Speaker 2: flights to get out of Lebanon, to not go there
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Speaker 2: in the first place. We're told some fifteen thousand are there,
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Speaker 2: despite having eighty seats on an aircraft. Today only thirty
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Speaker 2: five Australians took it. Up to thousands say they want
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Speaker 2: to come back. What do you think the responsibility of
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Speaker 2: taxpayers is Hereedan, You're wild.
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Speaker 13: I don't think they have any responsibility, Peter, for the
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Speaker 13: reasons that you outlined. This hasn't happened overnight. If this
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Speaker 13: was an unforeseen political event, an unforeseen natural disaster, of
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Speaker 13: course we would do and should do, as we have
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Speaker 13: in the past, absolutely everything to get Australian citizens or
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Speaker 13: passport holders safely back to Australia.
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Speaker 2: But this is much different.
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Speaker 13: I think you put it very nicely in your monologue
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Speaker 13: questioning whether these are Australians of convenience or Australians of conviction.
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Speaker 13: And I do think it gets to this bigger question
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Speaker 13: of concepts like dual citizenship and dual national having dual nations,
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Speaker 13: whether that's something that really is sustainable at the moment,
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Speaker 13: because I think there's a lot of people that might
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Speaker 13: sign up for Australia for certain reasons, but may not
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Speaker 13: become committed to Australia and to our values in a
21:35
Speaker 13: way that we would like. I don't think that tax
21:37
Speaker 13: payer should be footing the bill anymore. I think there's
21:39
Speaker 13: a reasonable period of time where that could take place,
21:42
Speaker 13: but it's well and truly beyond that, and we have
21:45
Speaker 13: to think about personal responsibility here. At some point you've
21:48
Speaker 13: got to say, look, we've done all. We can come
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Speaker 13: back now, but after this date there's no more support
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Speaker 13: for you to do that.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 2: I made these comments. They are not in relation to
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Speaker 2: the level example, But when I worked for the Immigration
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Speaker 2: Minister inside the portfolio a number of years, the Howard Garbertira,
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Speaker 2: I was aware of plenty of Australians or people within
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Speaker 2: the Australian passport who basically lived overseas but came back
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Speaker 2: here a couple of times a year to renew their
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Speaker 2: pensions and to get their pharmaceuticals on the PBS, and
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Speaker 2: then they basically returned overseas. I think that's something we've
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Speaker 2: all got to have a national conversation about. To your point, Daniel,
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Speaker 2: let's go we're talking a moment about James, about the
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Speaker 2: strength of Chris mind down in Victoria. Police say that
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Speaker 2: their powers to do anything that they can't do anything
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Speaker 2: other than put more police on the street. We know
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of police planned for Sunday and Monday.
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Speaker 2: Peter Duntt was pretty strong on this lack of action
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Speaker 2: from the Victorian Premier, just into Alan have a listen.
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Speaker 3: What is the justification for the premier here not to
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Speaker 3: do everything at her disposal to stop these protests from
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Speaker 3: taking place. She was part of a government that deployed
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Speaker 3: the police force here in Victoria during the course of
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Speaker 3: COVID to enforce the rule of law, and I think
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Speaker 3: the Victorian Labor Party should have the same resolve in
23:13
Speaker 3: relation to this issue.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 2: The Premier clapped back with.
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Speaker 14: This in terms of responding to the divisive, untrustworthy responses
23:24
Speaker 14: from the federal leader of the Liberal Opposition, I'm not
23:26
Speaker 14: going to do that. My focus is on supporting community safety,
23:31
Speaker 14: supporting Victoria police.
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Speaker 10: Now.
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Speaker 2: For a long time, James, Victoria's been urged to have
23:38
Speaker 2: the scheme you've got in New South Wales about permits
23:40
Speaker 2: and protests. They've never done that. The Attorney General, the
23:44
Speaker 2: Shadow Attorney General, sorry, in Victoria Michael O'Brien, the Liberal.
23:47
Speaker 2: He has pointed out they've already got enough laws on
23:50
Speaker 2: the books to prevent these protests. There's the Unlawful Assemblies
23:54
Speaker 2: and Processions Act. The police could use this to stand
23:58
Speaker 2: down protesters. Clearly they who's not all the government doesn't
24:01
Speaker 2: back them to do this. I think Australians have had
24:04
Speaker 2: a gutfull of what we've seen on the streets most
24:07
Speaker 2: Sundays for the past year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and I think that Look,
24:13
Speaker 1: the police in New South Wales have enough powers to
24:17
Speaker 1: get the job done and clearly that isn't the same
24:20
Speaker 1: in Victoria. But overwhelmingly the majority of people don't support
24:25
Speaker 1: the right to protest. It is a niche activity and
24:28
Speaker 1: particularly for the pro Palestinians. It has been a weekly
24:32
Speaker 1: activity for the past year or so. It's been largely
24:36
Speaker 1: handled well, although I have to say that in New
24:39
Speaker 1: South Wales there have been some flaws in the law,
24:41
Speaker 1: including last weekend we had Hesbela T shirts and flags
24:46
Speaker 1: and people celebrating the death of the Hesbela leader and
24:51
Speaker 1: we've only had one arrest off the back of that,
24:53
Speaker 1: and I think most people don't think that's far enough.
24:55
Speaker 1: And there is a loophole in the law in terms
24:57
Speaker 1: of what you can show and offensive symbols and all
24:59
Speaker 1: that of stuff. But on the wider issue of protests,
25:04
Speaker 1: and this is where the Prime Minister or the premiers,
25:07
Speaker 1: I don't understand why we don't even get out of
25:08
Speaker 1: this path. Rather than leave these things to the police,
25:12
Speaker 1: what efforts are being made to speak to these protests
25:15
Speaker 1: organizers ahead of time and try and cut them off
25:18
Speaker 1: and say, well, look, what's going to happen to here?
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Speaker 10: Is this going to just keep going?
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Speaker 1: Give us an idea. I don't think we do enough
25:23
Speaker 1: of that. I'm not saying it would be any much difference, Peter,
25:26
Speaker 1: but good leaders would sit down and listen and try
25:30
Speaker 1: and get to the root of some of these problems
25:32
Speaker 1: and try and deter them from just blocking traffic every
25:35
Speaker 1: Sunday or all the other ridiculous activities that we see.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's become a tool, a weapon, a
25:42
Speaker 2: real tool of the left, the hard left in Australia.
25:44
Speaker 2: It's no longer the free speech right that we thought
25:49
Speaker 2: it was. I'll leave it there, come back to it
25:51
Speaker 2: of course on Monday. Thank you, gentlemen. That's got a
25:53
Speaker 2: bit of least where israelph ground a soul on Lebanone
25:55
Speaker 2: has reportedly been paused. Eight soldiers were killed while fighting
25:59
Speaker 2: has belun militants in southern Lebanon, where airstrausts continue. This
26:03
Speaker 2: after Iran fired nearly two hundred visstyles into Israel yesterday,
26:08
Speaker 2: most of which were intercepted by the country's famous iron Dome.
26:12
Speaker 2: From More, I'm joined now by SEDIA, analyst with Australian
26:15
Speaker 2: Strategic Policy Institute, Malcolm Davis. Malcolm, I have got a
26:20
Speaker 2: lot of emails from viewers. They've read a lot, they've
26:24
Speaker 2: watched a lot, but they're very much intrigued about the
26:27
Speaker 2: technology that's used in Israel. I know, particularly here we're
26:31
Speaker 2: talking about the Iron Dome, but there are other things
26:34
Speaker 2: and they want to know more about it op how
26:37
Speaker 2: it operates. You're the expert. Take it away, all right.
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Speaker 15: So Iron Dome is the short range component of a
26:46
Speaker 15: triple layer integrated air and missile defense system that is
26:51
Speaker 15: operated by the Israeli Defense Horses. So iron Dome is
26:54
Speaker 15: the close in short range system that can intercept out
26:57
Speaker 15: to about ninety miles than you have David's Sling, which
27:01
Speaker 15: is the mid range system that goes out to about
27:03
Speaker 15: one hundred and eighty seven miles. And then you have
27:05
Speaker 15: the Arrow system, which is the long range missile defense
27:09
Speaker 15: capability that will intercept longer range missiles. And so the
27:13
Speaker 15: three work together in an integrated network system that relies
27:18
Speaker 15: on a range of sensor platforms, networking systems, and of
27:22
Speaker 15: course the actual missiles themselves, the batteries that launch the
27:27
Speaker 15: missiles to work together as a whole. An iron dome
27:30
Speaker 15: has a very effective success rate of about ninety percent,
27:34
Speaker 15: particularly against short range systems such as battlefield rockets, battlefield
27:39
Speaker 15: short range missiles, and even artillery shells and mortars. So
27:43
Speaker 15: rondome is a very effective system for point defense against
27:47
Speaker 15: incoming threats.
27:50
Speaker 2: Okay, so we watch in Ukraine where they're running out
27:55
Speaker 2: of missiles to interact them, and they obviously don't have
27:58
Speaker 2: an iron dome, but they're running of missiles to counteract
28:02
Speaker 2: hits from Russia. Has Israel got all the reserves of
28:07
Speaker 2: weaponry needed to keep the iron dome firing as it must,
28:11
Speaker 2: particularly now that Iran has entered the field.
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Speaker 15: Look, I think you know the Israelis probably have taken
28:19
Speaker 15: the precaution of building a lot of missiles, a lot
28:21
Speaker 15: of interceptors for Iron Dome, David Sling and Arrow because
28:26
Speaker 15: they understand the threat that is facing them in terms
28:29
Speaker 15: of both Iranian missile capabilities that are very long range.
28:33
Speaker 15: You have Iranian ballistic missile forces as well as cruise
28:36
Speaker 15: missiles and drones. We saw each of those in action
28:40
Speaker 15: in the April attack, and then just the other night
28:43
Speaker 15: the ballistic missile threat with the Iranian attack, and then
28:47
Speaker 15: of course they're facing the Hezbolla threat of one hundred
28:50
Speaker 15: and fifty two one thousand missiles and rockets. So yes,
28:53
Speaker 15: it would be in Israel's interest to have a massive
28:56
Speaker 15: stockpile of basically ammunition for the Iron that David Sling
29:01
Speaker 15: and the Arrow, and I'm sure they're very well prepared
29:04
Speaker 15: in that regard.
29:07
Speaker 2: I've been down in Southern Israel, Nishtarot when sirens have
29:11
Speaker 2: gone off, and it is confronting, to say the least.
29:15
Speaker 2: I understand when Iron Dome and it's counterpart systems are triggered.
29:23
Speaker 2: If you're at home, you get to a safer room,
29:26
Speaker 2: you get to a shelter of some sort. But if
29:28
Speaker 2: you're driving your car, the instruction is to get out
29:32
Speaker 2: of your car, move away from your vehicle and lie
29:35
Speaker 2: on the ground. Now that seems to me to be
29:38
Speaker 2: highly counterintuitive to expose you like that. But why do
29:43
Speaker 2: they do this?
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Speaker 15: I think because what you don't want to be is
29:49
Speaker 15: in a car with lots of petrol in it. If
29:52
Speaker 15: a fragment for a missile, hits the car and then
29:54
Speaker 15: basically causes an explosion, it's actually better to lie flat
29:59
Speaker 15: on the ground to avoid potential effects such as blast wave.
30:03
Speaker 15: And believe it or not, this was the same advice
30:06
Speaker 15: and during the Cold War of what you should do
30:09
Speaker 15: if there was a nuclear attack. So I think that
30:12
Speaker 15: the advice is consistent. You get out of your car,
30:15
Speaker 15: you lie flat, preferably with your head towards the threat
30:19
Speaker 15: to prevent them, to present the minimal profile to the threat,
30:23
Speaker 15: and you keep your head down until the danger is passed.
30:28
Speaker 2: Just the humanity of it, I mean, can you imagine
30:30
Speaker 2: living with that. You're in a car, You've got a
30:32
Speaker 2: couple of kids in the back seat, you get the
30:34
Speaker 2: little ones out, you light and on the ground. You
30:36
Speaker 2: are totally exposed, and there's missiles and noise and sirens
30:41
Speaker 2: and the calamity of the light and everything above your head.
30:45
Speaker 2: This is what Israelis are living with day in.
30:49
Speaker 15: Day out, exactly. And obviously in that situation, if you
30:54
Speaker 15: can find some sort of cover like a wall or
30:56
Speaker 15: something to hide behind, that's even better. But if you're
30:58
Speaker 15: out in the open life, lat head towards the threat
31:02
Speaker 15: and just keep your head down.
31:05
Speaker 2: Well, Malcolm Davis, thank you all right. Like the break,
31:08
Speaker 2: former Labour senator fadom of Payment looks set to launch
31:11
Speaker 2: her own political party. Now is this a headache for
31:14
Speaker 2: Labor It's already losing votes in Muslim dominant seats. We'll
31:19
Speaker 2: talk to Cosamaris about that, and a bit later on
31:22
Speaker 2: John Anderson, we'll get his reflections one year on from
31:25
Speaker 2: the October seven atrocities and Labour's leadership right, a lot
31:34
Speaker 2: of other issues around, we'll get to those with my panel.
31:36
Speaker 2: James Ashby Queensland elections underway. Of course, he's a candidate
31:40
Speaker 2: out in the campaign trail. What's he hearing, what's he seeing?
31:43
Speaker 2: We'll get to that, but first let's go to that
31:45
Speaker 2: exclusive report of The Australian this morning. It's revealed there
31:48
Speaker 2: that former Labor senator now independent Faedom of Payment is
31:52
Speaker 2: on the verge of launching her own political party within
31:55
Speaker 2: a matter of weeks, Payment and her new chief of staff,
31:58
Speaker 2: Glenn Drury, the man famously labeled as the Preference whisperer.
32:03
Speaker 2: They're keeping their cards close to the chest, but Payments
32:07
Speaker 2: believe to be launching this new party in Western Australia
32:10
Speaker 2: and that it could be registered before November. Joining me
32:14
Speaker 2: now of his assessment and what this means for labor
32:18
Speaker 2: perhaps even the country director of the Red Bridge Group
32:22
Speaker 2: called Samarus. Course, thank you for your time. Before we
32:25
Speaker 2: get into your analysis on the politics here, take viewers
32:29
Speaker 2: through the mechanics of starting a new party and why
32:33
Speaker 2: it's easier with a sitting MP, and also the influence
32:37
Speaker 2: here and the experience of Drury.
32:40
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you've got two ways of setting up a
32:42
Speaker 7: political party in this country. One you have to collect
32:46
Speaker 7: fifteen hundred signatures of people who are willing to be
32:49
Speaker 7: a member of your political party. So that's a very
32:52
Speaker 7: lengthy process and quite difficult. Or you can be a
32:56
Speaker 7: senator in care and a registered party by yourself, so
33:03
Speaker 7: it's much easier setting one up if you're already in
33:05
Speaker 7: the Senate.
33:06
Speaker 10: And it's exactly what's happened here, that's what that's what
33:08
Speaker 10: she intends to do anyway.
33:12
Speaker 2: The story today said, yes, she's in w wayment. They're
33:15
Speaker 2: looking at Senate seats across the board, so at a
33:19
Speaker 2: national level there is talk of marginal seats. I will
33:21
Speaker 2: be surprised if that comes off, given how much money
33:24
Speaker 2: you need to run a marginal seat campaign. But certainly
33:26
Speaker 2: the Senate vote, that's what Drury is very good at harvesting.
33:31
Speaker 2: Do you think some states will be more prospective here
33:34
Speaker 2: than others?
33:37
Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, I find it difficult to see how she
33:40
Speaker 7: will harvest enough to support anywhere.
33:43
Speaker 10: Really.
33:43
Speaker 7: I mean, the Muslim community in the country is about
33:47
Speaker 7: for three point two percent of the entire Australian population,
33:51
Speaker 7: and that is not those who are enrolled. If we
33:54
Speaker 7: look at enrollment levels, that's obviously much lower, and you know,
33:59
Speaker 7: most of it in Victoria and New South Wales.
34:03
Speaker 10: There's obviously a bit more in Queensland and so forth.
34:07
Speaker 7: But really, there isn't many boats out there on this
34:11
Speaker 7: particular issue that she's been obviously fixated on now for
34:14
Speaker 7: some time, and there's competition for us, so the.
34:17
Speaker 10: Greens are going after these votes. There's the Muslim voices
34:21
Speaker 10: super pac as I like to call it. They're going
34:23
Speaker 10: after these votes.
34:25
Speaker 7: There's only so many people that can actually try to
34:28
Speaker 7: give and pitch which for the support from these communities
34:31
Speaker 7: any given time.
34:32
Speaker 10: I just don't see it. It's going to be pretty
34:34
Speaker 10: difficult for us.
34:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think coming from way, I mean, the tyrny
34:39
Speaker 2: of distance really matters getting out In campaigning, she basically
34:43
Speaker 2: fleuped her position in New South and sorry in w
34:47
Speaker 2: way you know Scott Morrison hit meant third on the
34:50
Speaker 2: ticket gets up over there doesn't normally happen. And in
34:53
Speaker 2: terms of below the line support, what was it? Something
34:56
Speaker 2: like three hundred votes went her way, So I sit
34:59
Speaker 2: with you on that one. She also says it's not
35:03
Speaker 2: going to be a religious party, but she's going to
35:04
Speaker 2: support your Muslim superPAC commander like that term their candidates.
35:09
Speaker 2: So look, we'll see where this goes. The issue of
35:13
Speaker 2: Hesbellas dominated the news this week and Australians aggressively supporting
35:19
Speaker 2: a pro terror outfit saw it with her master very clearly.
35:22
Speaker 2: With these pro Hesballa displays, how do you think that's
35:26
Speaker 2: going to impact the pole? Does it have a resonance
35:29
Speaker 2: with one side of politics more than the other.
35:32
Speaker 7: One thing we're getting across the entire country with regards
35:35
Speaker 7: to this conflict in health, some Australians are expressing their
35:40
Speaker 7: support for one group over another or protesting against the
35:45
Speaker 7: war in general. Is that Australians are concerned about the
35:49
Speaker 7: impact this has on social cohesion. So they don't want
35:53
Speaker 7: people bringing over here their differences, and equally they don't
35:58
Speaker 7: want people bringing maybe a conflict that's underway, for example.
36:02
Speaker 7: So they do not want to see harm to other Australians,
36:05
Speaker 7: irrespective of one's background, because there's a war fourteen thousand
36:09
Speaker 7: kilometers away, and any politician that associates themselves with these
36:15
Speaker 7: rallies does play a bit of Russian Roulette with their
36:17
Speaker 7: own support because even with the Greens, we know there
36:21
Speaker 7: are older Green supporters who are walking away from them
36:24
Speaker 7: because the pickaus of this issue and they want to
36:27
Speaker 7: basically associate themselves with some of the radical elements on
36:30
Speaker 7: the street.
36:33
Speaker 2: That's interesting and that's what's been picked up in comments
36:35
Speaker 2: resting by Tanya purversecond others. Thank your cause, thanks for
36:38
Speaker 2: that analysis is always all right After break, John Anderson
36:42
Speaker 2: joins me for his assessment of where the West stands
36:45
Speaker 2: almost a year on from October seven, plus a bad start.
36:48
Speaker 2: Stephen Miles on the campaign trail a massive blunder today.
36:52
Speaker 2: Will get to that a bit later on. Miles Miles
36:58
Speaker 2: behind is getting worse for him to that in a moment.
37:01
Speaker 2: But let's go to those questions over Anthony Albaneze's leadership
37:06
Speaker 2: which has been weak. What's been week since the Voice,
37:09
Speaker 2: but very week since October ninth last year when those
37:12
Speaker 2: protesters took the steps to the Opera House, with the
37:15
Speaker 2: Australian even going so far as to say that he's
37:18
Speaker 2: giving the white flag in the age of terror. Those
37:22
Speaker 2: headlines damning the Prime Minister this week, but his assessment.
37:27
Speaker 2: Let's speak now to former Deputy Prime Minister John Anderson. John,
37:31
Speaker 2: I think you're one of the best thinkers and articulators
37:35
Speaker 2: of a national mood. And I know you and I
37:38
Speaker 2: talk about this, but you've always got your eye on
37:40
Speaker 2: the horizon and where we are headed as a country.
37:43
Speaker 2: So I wanted to talk to you as we head
37:45
Speaker 2: into the eve of this terrible anniversary will commemorate on Monday.
37:51
Speaker 2: We're watching Western leaders around the world flail around a
37:55
Speaker 2: little bit for the right language, but certainly in the
37:57
Speaker 2: last couple of days they have consistently and strongly in
38:01
Speaker 2: support of Israel's right to defend itself and to go
38:04
Speaker 2: into the terrorist enclaves in southern Lebanon. But the best
38:08
Speaker 2: we're getting from our Prime minister is double speak. Give
38:13
Speaker 2: us your assessment or where we are today.
38:16
Speaker 16: Well, I think it's very frightening. I think you could say, firstly,
38:19
Speaker 16: he's not exactly passing the moral test in terms of
38:25
Speaker 16: clearly identifying and evil, clearly identifying just how terrible Hezbolah
38:31
Speaker 16: and how mass actually are. They are both organizations that
38:35
Speaker 16: affectively written genocide into their objectives, into their charters. Secondly,
38:40
Speaker 16: it fails the pragmatic test. Albanezi the Promnius would like
38:45
Speaker 16: to think he stands in the shoes of great people
38:47
Speaker 16: like Bob Hawk. Hawk understood that places like Iran, when
38:52
Speaker 16: they hate Israel, actually hate us as much. So Israel's
38:56
Speaker 16: a little Satan. America and the other liberal democracies were
38:59
Speaker 16: the big say, and we are to be opposed at
39:02
Speaker 16: every point. So it fails on the geopolitical level as well.
39:05
Speaker 16: And that's where I think, both in terms of preparedness
39:08
Speaker 16: if something goes wrong, in terms of supply chain security, fuel,
39:12
Speaker 16: all those sorts of things and defense the Prime Minister
39:16
Speaker 16: has in my view for and well short of what
39:19
Speaker 16: the Prime Minister ought to accept as his primary responsibility.
39:22
Speaker 16: The other really disturbing thing, and the polls are starting
39:26
Speaker 16: to show this that Australians are really starting to resent
39:29
Speaker 16: this interruption to our social cohesion. We apparently have people
39:33
Speaker 16: barbarians and our mits to loathe democracy and are so
39:37
Speaker 16: insensitive as to not allow October seven go by and
39:42
Speaker 16: show sufficient respect for Australian Jewish people who understandably I'm
39:49
Speaker 16: extraordinarily upset by the horrors that harmas visited on their
39:53
Speaker 16: people last year.
39:56
Speaker 2: That brought you big about social coohesion be now forefront
40:01
Speaker 2: for ordinary Australians. People that may not have a Jewish
40:03
Speaker 2: heritage are certainly not looking at these events and the
40:08
Speaker 2: terror events the same vein as the pro Palestinian type
40:11
Speaker 2: activists are kas Samaras the polster said, that is now
40:15
Speaker 2: front of mine in the polls. So what does this
40:19
Speaker 2: mean do you think for the future of the election
40:21
Speaker 2: campaign that's about to hit. Do you think this will
40:24
Speaker 2: be a feature of the election campaign? Should it be
40:27
Speaker 2: a feature of the election campaign? How important is to
40:30
Speaker 2: Australia's future.
40:31
Speaker 16: It's very very, very very important in my view, incredibly important,
40:36
Speaker 16: and people want to wake up. Particularly I'll be blunt
40:38
Speaker 16: about this young people. I'm a great defender of young people.
40:40
Speaker 16: But young people who think, oh, we'll vote green because
40:43
Speaker 16: they care about the environment, they are displaying the most
40:45
Speaker 16: appalling and ancient of racial prejudices you could imagine. Their
40:49
Speaker 16: position on the Middle East is indefensible morally and pragmatically
40:55
Speaker 16: and geopolitically. So I hope it is first and foremost
40:59
Speaker 16: of mine, and I hope that people remember that they
41:03
Speaker 16: pulled together on the Voice. We know why people rejected
41:06
Speaker 16: the Voice. They rejected the Voice because they thought saw
41:08
Speaker 16: it as devising Australians that get the genius of our
41:14
Speaker 16: success is that we've accommodated one another's differences in a
41:17
Speaker 16: spirit of respect for one another. There's no respect coming
41:20
Speaker 16: from these people bringing ancient hatreds here to the point
41:24
Speaker 16: to repeat what I said a moment ago, where they
41:26
Speaker 16: are so insensitive that they will go and protest on
41:29
Speaker 16: the first anniversary of the most brutal attack on civilization
41:35
Speaker 16: since the Holocaust. And there's no other way of putting it.
41:39
Speaker 16: In my view, so I hope the Australian people will
41:41
Speaker 16: take this seriously and they'll say no in the ballot
41:44
Speaker 16: box to anyone who's displayed ambivalence, let alone actual prejudice
41:50
Speaker 16: in this horrific moment in global history.
41:55
Speaker 2: The last couple of nights I focused on the fact
41:58
Speaker 2: that there actually is a right and wrong, and I
42:00
Speaker 2: think too often in the last twelve months we've had
42:03
Speaker 2: moral equivalency from our leaders, certainly not from Peter Dutton,
42:06
Speaker 2: but from others. And I think that we've got to
42:10
Speaker 2: be braver, we with our families, with our friends, you know,
42:13
Speaker 2: all of this. It's just like the voice. You've got
42:15
Speaker 2: to have those conversations in your own sort of world,
42:19
Speaker 2: and then in your community, then in your suburb, you know,
42:21
Speaker 2: take it out from there. But this isn't an issue
42:24
Speaker 2: we need to sort of be weak on and dance around.
42:27
Speaker 2: Andrew Hasty often reminds us the military man in him,
42:32
Speaker 2: says weakness is provocative. And I look at the Prime
42:35
Speaker 2: Minister and I don't think he's a bad man, but
42:38
Speaker 2: I think he's absolutely unsuited for these challenging times.
42:45
Speaker 16: Well, no one can say he's stepped up. That's why
42:47
Speaker 16: his polls are so dreadful, he seems incapable of stepping
42:50
Speaker 16: up and fulfilling the role. It's not a role for
42:54
Speaker 16: people who are simply nice. We want our prime ministers
42:57
Speaker 16: to be decent people, but their primary responsibility is already
43:00
Speaker 16: this brain of people that's number one, and we're not
43:04
Speaker 16: seeing it for all the reasons that we've discussed. And
43:07
Speaker 16: what you're seeing now is in the name of moral relativision,
43:11
Speaker 16: is this outsourcing of moral compasses. Everybody has a strong
43:14
Speaker 16: moral compass, that's nothing new about that. It's whether or
43:18
Speaker 16: not the conscience is well formed. You join the mafia,
43:21
Speaker 16: steal the boss of silver, and you'll find out that
43:23
Speaker 16: he's got a conscience. But what we've done is we've
43:26
Speaker 16: allowed namby pamby characters right across the political and academic spectrum.
43:33
Speaker 16: And I'd have to say in a lot of the
43:35
Speaker 16: media to outsource their moral compass to peoples and groupings
43:40
Speaker 16: who have no true north as we ought to understand
43:43
Speaker 16: it to be. And this is partly, of course, because
43:45
Speaker 16: we don't know our history. If we knew our history,
43:48
Speaker 16: we know human nature never changes. The world is always
43:51
Speaker 16: going to be dangerous, and we ought to be determined
43:54
Speaker 16: to protect the good things we have and to stand
43:56
Speaker 16: up too by the way for the vulnerable, the week,
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Speaker 16: the old, the young, those who, if something goes wrong,
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Speaker 16: will be devastated.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong. I'll over there, John Amison. We'll catch
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Speaker 2: up again soon. All right, after the break, the Queensland
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Speaker 2: Unions ramping up a medi scare style campaign. Is it
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Speaker 2: going to impact the election? We'll get into that. Plus,
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Speaker 2: why are taxpayers on the hook? You've heardp me on
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Speaker 2: this to get thousands and thousands out of Lebanon. It's
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Speaker 2: by persistent warnings for months to leave. All right, let's
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Speaker 2: bring in my panel. No further delays. Media right after
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Speaker 2: the Australian Sophie Ellsworth Pauline Hanson's chief of staff. But
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Speaker 2: now I candidate of his own. James Ashby, well, your
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Speaker 2: campaigns well and surely underweigh James, it's not looking good
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Speaker 2: for labor. We've all read those tea leaves. We've got
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Speaker 2: some grabs. I'll play them for a moment. I'll get
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Speaker 2: a comment from Sophie about a shock of the day
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Speaker 2: for the premiere this afternoon. But you're running for the
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Speaker 2: seat of Keppel. I want to know what people are
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Speaker 2: telling you on the ground is front of mind.
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Speaker 5: Well, here in central Queensland we're vastly different to the
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Speaker 5: wants and needs of the Southeast corner. But one thing
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Speaker 5: we all have in common here in Queensland is the
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Speaker 5: fact that cost of living has just become ridiculously expensive
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Speaker 5: and people are struggling. And it's a telltale sign wherever
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Speaker 5: you go, but here in the regional parts of the state.
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Speaker 5: And I think this is what Labor have missed the
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Speaker 5: point on for all the years now. We don't have
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Speaker 5: the money being put into infrastructure despite massive growth coming
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Speaker 5: to Queensland, and particularly in the regional areas. We don't
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Speaker 5: have the hospital beds, we don't have the hospital staff.
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Speaker 5: The schools are lagging, we're lacking teachers, and of course
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Speaker 5: we're sick to death of seeing our coal royalties funnel
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Speaker 5: down to the Southeast corner and we get the scraps.
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Speaker 5: So Central Queensland and much of regional Queensland are definitely
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Speaker 5: seeking a better distribution of those coal royalties in the
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Speaker 5: new term of parliament.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to make a political point for people
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Speaker 2: at home that they may not know because it is
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Speaker 2: a front of mine for any national campaigner like James
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Speaker 2: and myself. Queensland is the only state where more people
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Speaker 2: live outside the capital city than in it. So every
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Speaker 2: other state of the Commonwealth your campaign hard in your
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Speaker 2: capital cities because that's where most of your people are,
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Speaker 2: Not so Queensland. So it becomes a ground game in
46:22
Speaker 2: a whole lot of regional centers as much as it
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Speaker 2: is about Brisbane. But a bad day for the Premier shocker,
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Speaker 2: I have to say, couldn't remember the name of his
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Speaker 2: candidate in the seat where he was campaigning. Have a listen,
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Speaker 2: I don't have that detail in front of me.
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Speaker 16: Susan. Yeah, of course it's Susan.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Premier Sergy, I was with it the other nights. No,
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Speaker 2: I know, he's a clown. That's also probably staff. They
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Speaker 2: should have prepped him on that before he's got there.
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Speaker 2: But this medicare style scare campaign being run by the
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Speaker 2: United Workers Union. They're saying that the L ANDP wants
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Speaker 2: to privatize all the hospitals. Do you think these tactics
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Speaker 2: work anymore?
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Speaker 10: So?
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Speaker 8: Certainly don't Peter, just on that first point with Stephen Miles.
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Speaker 8: If I go back to that for a moment, what
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Speaker 8: a shocker. He's in the communications business. Politicians need to
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Speaker 8: know their candidate's name. That was a horror show there
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Speaker 8: for him, so that would do him no favors. But
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Speaker 8: onto these scare campaigns, they just people can see Ruth
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Speaker 8: and Peter and the Queensland public will see exactly what
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Speaker 8: is happening here and they won't be fulled.
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Speaker 9: So this shows to me that they're very desperate in.
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Speaker 8: Queensland because they know Stephen Miles is a problem, Labor
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Speaker 8: government is a problem.
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Speaker 9: Queensland has appeared to be sick of them.
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Speaker 8: All the polls are showing this is going to be
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Speaker 8: a smash up up there, so it shows to me
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Speaker 8: they're deeply concerned.
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Speaker 2: James say it could be as many as fifteen thousand
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Speaker 2: Australians still at eleven nine. Are you surprised so many
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Speaker 2: of there and what do you think about taxpayer as
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Speaker 2: being on the hook to get them all home.
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Speaker 5: I'm not surprised that there are fifteen thousand still over there, Peter.
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Speaker 5: I think we saw a lot of this happening through
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Speaker 5: COVID too. Remember there were so many Australians overseas trapped
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Speaker 5: during that COVID period, but a lot of those people
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Speaker 5: were permanent residents of another country. They may have citizenship
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Speaker 5: here in Australia, but they don't live here permanently, and
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Speaker 5: that could be a result of a number of reasons.
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Speaker 5: They've come in under the family migration rules and so forth,
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Speaker 5: but don't primarily live here. No taxpayer shouldn't be on
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Speaker 5: the hook for this. They've been given adequate warning to
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Speaker 5: get out of the country and return to a safe
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Speaker 5: haven like Australia if they haven't heeded those warnings, Australian
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Speaker 5: taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook. Otherwise we just put
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Speaker 5: ourselves into further debt and we'll end up in a
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Speaker 5: situation in future conflicts wherever they are across the globe
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Speaker 5: where Australian taxpayers are constantly having to pick up the tab.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the defamation battle Moradeemi, John Perzuto. I
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Speaker 2: don't want to get the ins and out of the case,
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Speaker 2: but broadly, what's shocked me, Sophie, and maybe i'm Pollyanna.
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Speaker 2: I'm mean I've worked in camera and this doesn't happen
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Speaker 2: in camera. But the readiness of the Liberal Party and
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Speaker 2: Labor do it as well to tape all of their meetings.
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Speaker 2: David Southwook said at evidence that he wanted to make
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Speaker 2: sure the whole events weren't misconstrued. They called it an
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Speaker 2: insurance policy. What do you think about this, Peter?
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Speaker 9: How can you trust anyone?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 8: If you're in the Victorian Liberal Party, you must be
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Speaker 8: worried with every single word you say because someone is
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Speaker 8: probably recording it and probably going to send it somewhere else.
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Speaker 9: Everyone has a phone, Everyone has a recording device. I
49:49
Speaker 9: think this is quite concerning.
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Speaker 8: It's obviously not a new thing for people to record
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Speaker 8: conversations discreetly and you're not aware of it.
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Speaker 9: But I think it shows that Victorian Liberals.
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Speaker 8: Are happy to rat on each other and have that
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Speaker 8: evidence by putting their phone on their lap, under their
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Speaker 8: table or whatever.
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Speaker 9: I think this is a shocking look for the party.
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Speaker 2: I agree, tape it, but be outfront about it. If
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Speaker 2: you want to tape it or don't do it at all.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. Have a great weekend, James, you're
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Speaker 2: on the campaign trail. Work hard. We'll catch up with
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Speaker 2: you next week. All right, that's it for me. Have
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Speaker 2: a lovely weekend. I'll be back here of course on
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Speaker 2: Monday for a very big day of commemoration. Andrew Bolt
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Speaker 2: up next