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Tik Tok Poisoning Women Fighting Marxism in Schools with Dr. Carol Swain Eric Eggers Katie Gorka · The Alex Marlow Show

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  Speaker 1: All right, this is the next entry into my series
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  Speaker 1: talking about people of deep faith who use their Christianity
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  Speaker 1: to fight the culture war. And we've got three fantastic
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  Speaker 1: guests today who are putting their money where their mouth is.
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  Speaker 1: They are walking the walk. And the first is Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Carol Swain, who has the most unbelievable story as someone
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  Speaker 1: who was a middle school dropout who went on to
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  Speaker 1: get all sorts of crazy degrees in higher education and
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  Speaker 1: to teach at some of those prestigious schools in the
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  Speaker 1: world and never shy away from her Christian conservative beliefs anymore.
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  Speaker 1: a truly inspirational American. And we talked to her about
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  Speaker 1: her experience in education, her incredible life story, the race
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  Speaker 1: relations in America where they stand today, all that's touched on.
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  Speaker 1: Before we speak to Eric Eggers from Peter Schweitzer's Government
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  Speaker 1: Accountability Institute, who is super smart, super informed, super entertaining,
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  Speaker 1: a expert researcher. And he talks about how TikTok is
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  Speaker 1: poisoning women. And we rounded out with Katie Gorka, wife
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  Speaker 1: of Dr. Sebastian Gorka, and another powerful education activist fighting
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  Speaker 1: the Marxists in the school system, all three on the
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  Speaker 1: Alex Marlowe Show today. Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Carol Swain, really nice to speak with you. You're all
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  Speaker 1: over the internet. You're ubiquitous. You are a very hard worker.
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  Speaker 1: Give people, if anyone has somehow missed all of your stuff,
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  Speaker 1: which I think is impossible, give a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: your background and how you got into this game where
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  Speaker 1: you're sort of evangelizing on behalf of Christian conservatives in
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  Speaker 1: all sorts of different fields.
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  Speaker 3: I could start by saying that I was among the first,
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  Speaker 3: if not the first, university professor that was canceled, back
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  Speaker 3: before we were calling it canceled. I was a university
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  Speaker 3: professor for really 28 years, and if I were to
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  Speaker 3: count the fellowship at Duke University and being a TA,
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  Speaker 3: even longer. I was with students, but my background is
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  Speaker 3: I was a high school dropout, one of 12, Born
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  Speaker 3: and raised in rural poverty, married at 16, had my
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  Speaker 3: first child at 17. I dropped out of school after
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  Speaker 3: the eighth grade, so that may be, I'm not even sure,
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  Speaker 3: that's not quite high school. And I got a high
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  Speaker 3: school equivalency, went to a community college, got the first
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  Speaker 3: of five degrees. I have a degree in business, one
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  Speaker 3: in criminal justice from a private Lutheran school, magna cum laude.
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  Speaker 3: a master's in political science, PhD political science. And then
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  Speaker 3: after I had taught at Princeton for almost a decade,
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  Speaker 3: I went to Yale and got a master's in law.
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  Speaker 3: And I never sought, you know, to become a university professor.
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  Speaker 3: I could call myself the accidental professor, but I think
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  Speaker 3: my life is just evidence of God at work because,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what I'm doing now, using my platform and
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  Speaker 3: my voice, to make a difference. I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: call myself an influencer because I think you have to
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  Speaker 3: be like 22 or 18 to call yourself an influencer.
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  Speaker 3: But I am using my experience to try to help
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  Speaker 3: other people.
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  Speaker 1: So you have two amazing narratives, which is you're someone
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  Speaker 1: who dropped out of school very early and then got super, super,
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  Speaker 1: super educated. And so you can kind of claim both angles,
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  Speaker 1: which is It's amazing. It's a truly unique thing. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I know anyone who's got that.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't plan it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it just seemed like you're going from one
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  Speaker 1: step to the next, and so you're reaching the highest
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  Speaker 1: echelons of academia. And this is something that is, we
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  Speaker 1: all need academia to be strong. Evaluate where it is
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  Speaker 1: right now, because we don't want the universities to be weak,
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  Speaker 1: and they feel very weak right now.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they are weak, and there are some surveys showing
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  Speaker 3: that a majority of American students, parents, and this is
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  Speaker 3: the general population, they don't believe a college degree is
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  Speaker 3: worth it. They don't believe it's worth the debt. And
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  Speaker 3: if you think about what's happening on college campuses, you
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  Speaker 3: can understand this because they have become indoctrination meals. They're
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  Speaker 3: not teaching critical thinking skills. And for young men and
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  Speaker 3: women who are conservative or people of faith, they go
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  Speaker 3: to those places, they become targets, and many of them
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  Speaker 3: walk away from their faith Because universities, what a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people don't realize is that colleges and universities have
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  Speaker 3: their own worldview. And I was tenured at Princeton and Vanderbilt.
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  Speaker 3: And so I know that doing orientation, as soon as
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  Speaker 3: the young person steps on campus as raw material, the
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  Speaker 3: goal is to shape them and instill the university's worldview
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  Speaker 3: so that at the end of four years, you're graduating
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  Speaker 3: a Vanderbilt woman or a Harvard man And that person
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  Speaker 3: is someone they're going to be proud of because it
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  Speaker 3: instills their values, not the values that they entered with.
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  Speaker 1: So this is something that I was thinking about that
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  Speaker 1: is just coming to me now. But if you send
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  Speaker 1: a child, if you raise a Christian child, and you
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  Speaker 1: send them to university, it doesn't matter what they learn.
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  Speaker 1: If they lose their faith there, they're going to come
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  Speaker 1: home worse off.
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  Speaker 3: They are.
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  Speaker 1: And we've been engaging in this process for decades. And
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard anyone phrase it exactly that way, evaluate
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  Speaker 1: that concept.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the thing is, I've just watched this. Doing orientation,
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  Speaker 3: it's all about shocking people. Like if you're a kid
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  Speaker 3: and you come from, let's say, Southern Baptist, and you've
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  Speaker 3: gone through VBS for years, and you think you're ready, well,
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  Speaker 3: the person that's going to be leading the orientation may
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  Speaker 3: be a trans student, a man in a dress, and
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  Speaker 3: then they tell you what their values are. Their values
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  Speaker 3: are inclusive acceptance of everything that maybe the Bible tells
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  Speaker 3: you that's not acceptable for a Christian. And at some institutions,
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  Speaker 3: and most, they use shaming. They make some Christians feel
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  Speaker 3: that they're stupid if they believe what they were taught
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  Speaker 3: by their parents. And then at Christian schools... You know, like,
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  Speaker 3: don't get me started by Christian schools because most of
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  Speaker 3: them are not very Christian.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And they have been infiltrated by the left. And what
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  Speaker 3: they do is they also destroy young people's faith because
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  Speaker 3: they may be required to take a course in Old
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  Speaker 3: Testament or New Testament taught by someone that's not really
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  Speaker 3: a believer. And their goal is to undermine faith in
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  Speaker 3: the scripture. And if you don't believe in the word
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  Speaker 3: of God because the faith in the scripture has been undermined,
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  Speaker 3: then you have no guidebook. And some of the people
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  Speaker 3: that go to those schools actually fall away from that faith,
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  Speaker 3: and it doesn't always turn out well. To the credit
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  Speaker 3: for some of the schools, the ones that are more conservative,
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  Speaker 3: the students report that they're happier because I guess they're
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  Speaker 3: not targeted the way they would be at a secular school,
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  Speaker 3: and the suicide rates are lower. And the fact that
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  Speaker 3: I have to mention suicide rates, because if you go
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  Speaker 3: into the secular schools, the suicide rates are off the
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  Speaker 3: charts because they teach them, you know, to believe in
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  Speaker 3: a way that there's no God, there's no accountability. You
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  Speaker 3: do what you want. They have nothing, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: hold them. There's nothing. And so they're more likely to
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  Speaker 3: commit suicide. But people of faith, less likely.
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  Speaker 1: So we're at Pastor Alan Jackson's Culture and Christianity Conference,
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  Speaker 1: which has quickly become one of my favorite events of
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  Speaker 1: the year because people of faith, we need to think
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  Speaker 1: about how our faith works into the biggest cultural issues
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  Speaker 1: of the day. And you're about to speak as we're
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  Speaker 1: having this conversation, and you're taking on this topic. Is
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  Speaker 1: college worth it for families, Christian families in particular, the
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  Speaker 1: religious families? So take that on for a minute.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the title of my talk is Everything You Wanted
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  Speaker 3: to Know About Colleges and Universities But Were Afraid to Ask. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, God is a pro-knowledge God. In Proverbs, it
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  Speaker 3: says a prudent man seeks wisdom and gains knowledge. And
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  Speaker 3: so God is not opposed to knowledge. But we also
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  Speaker 3: know that there are many scriptures that God says that
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  Speaker 3: the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. And
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  Speaker 3: he talks about the debaters and just the foolishness, the
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  Speaker 3: wisdom of the world, all we have to do is
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  Speaker 3: look at universities today. Like when I went to college
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  Speaker 3: in the 1980s, 1970s, we knew the difference between a
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  Speaker 3: male and a female. Supposedly, you know, we're smarter and
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  Speaker 3: all this stuff like that, but there's so many things
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  Speaker 3: that we are confused about. And when I was in college, science,
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  Speaker 3: the progressives believed in science, or at least they said
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  Speaker 3: they did, and that Christians were fundamentalists, they didn't believe
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  Speaker 3: in science. And we've seen that flipped on its head.
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  Speaker 3: And so the worldly wisdom is something that, do you
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  Speaker 3: want your child instilled in the wisdom of the world
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  Speaker 3: in an environment where they're not being exposed to divergent views,
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  Speaker 3: where their faith is under attack? I think that we
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  Speaker 3: have criteria that we can evaluate institutions So when I
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  Speaker 3: give this presentation, I have a series of questions that
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  Speaker 3: I think most parents are asking about colleges and universities.
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  Speaker 3: And what I come down on the side is that
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  Speaker 3: Christian colleges are not necessarily always better than secular schools
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  Speaker 3: for Christian kids because if I, you know, Southern Baptist,
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  Speaker 3: I was raised in a Christian family. My parents sent
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  Speaker 3: me off to a Christian school. I think I'm in
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  Speaker 3: a safe environment. I assume, you know, that everyone around
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  Speaker 3: me believes the way I do. I think it's much
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  Speaker 3: harder for those people to realize that they to have
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  Speaker 3: that faith undermined in a safe space. than someone who
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  Speaker 3: chooses to go to a secular school or they believe
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  Speaker 3: God is sending them, they need to go, they want
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  Speaker 3: to go to Vanderbilt, they want to go to Harvard,
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  Speaker 3: wherever they want to go, they know that they are
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  Speaker 3: in They own the enemy's territory.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And so those who are believers, they will plug in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, with the church group.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: As soon as they get there. And there are all
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  Speaker 3: these steps that they can take to protect themselves and
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  Speaker 3: their faith. But at a Christian school where you're assuming
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  Speaker 3: that everyone's Christian, not so. You get the rug. you know,
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  Speaker 3: ripped from under your feet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I went to UC Berkeley as a conservative,
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  Speaker 1: and people asked, like, how did you do that? And
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  Speaker 1: I said, oh, no, I was steelmanning my conservatism. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I was going to get it challenged.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it comes out way stronger. And so I understand that.
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  Speaker 1: But what are the families, what are the students, the
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  Speaker 1: younger people? Because you're speaking a lot to younger people.
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  Speaker 1: You do a lot of work with PragerU. You're doing
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  Speaker 1: a lot of outreach to younger people. Who do you
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  Speaker 1: think are good candidates to be in the university system,
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  Speaker 1: and especially in the age of AI where there's so
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  Speaker 1: much access to education, that we all know that people
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  Speaker 1: who know a trade are doing very well in America.
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  Speaker 1: People who don't know a trade are really struggling. Who
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  Speaker 1: are the people you think really should be pursuing those
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  Speaker 1: higher degrees right now?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, the value of a college education
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  Speaker 3: is probably at its lowest level ever. So even corporations.
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  Speaker 1: And it's as much expensive.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, corporations, there's so many trades and businesses where you
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  Speaker 3: don't need a college education. They prefer to do their
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  Speaker 3: own training. I've met grandparents who are given money they
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  Speaker 3: saved for college. They are given their grandchildren an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to either use that for a college that they approve
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  Speaker 3: of or to start a business or to buy a house.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's really less important, more choices ever for
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  Speaker 3: young people I think that some people like you are
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  Speaker 3: called to be in those places. And so if I,
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  Speaker 3: as a strong Christian, you have to be strong. You
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  Speaker 3: have to know what you believe. And God has to
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  Speaker 3: have called you there. You can go to the Ivy
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  Speaker 3: League and you can be a missionary. It can be
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  Speaker 3: your mission field. But it has to be someone that
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  Speaker 3: really is called. They are equipped. And they know exactly
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  Speaker 3: what they're doing. Otherwise, I think that if you go
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  Speaker 3: there and you just, you know, you go there because
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  Speaker 3: you like the prestige and you want to stay there,
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  Speaker 3: you're probably in trouble. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because the degree and I hire young people all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I care about character. I care about experience. I care
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  Speaker 1: about eagerness. It's the intelligence to a degree, but it's
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  Speaker 1: the the the degree. Did you complete? Did you get
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  Speaker 1: your piece of paper from a fancy school? I have
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  Speaker 1: super educated people on my staff. I have completely uneducated
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  Speaker 1: people on my staff. And I forget which one's which
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  Speaker 1: because it's about quality work.
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  Speaker 3: When I was hiring research assistants, I favored the ones
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  Speaker 3: that had worked, whether they were in high school or
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  Speaker 3: they had a job, or the ones that came from farms. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: If you get someone that was a farm boy, those
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  Speaker 3: people know how to work. And they have integrity. They
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  Speaker 3: have character. They were always the best.
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  Speaker 1: So this is one thing I want to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: because for me, I just turned 40, and I feel
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  Speaker 1: like I may have been the last generation where, or
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  Speaker 1: the last, not even half, not even my full generation,
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  Speaker 1: but part of my generation, that got an academic system
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  Speaker 1: where they did still prioritize resilience. They were starting to
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  Speaker 1: do woke stuff, but I went to a very challenging
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  Speaker 1: middle school, a very challenging high school, and a somewhat
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  Speaker 1: challenging college. And I came out of there, and I
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  Speaker 1: I was tougher than when I started. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that people go to college and get tougher now.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's going to trickle down into the primaries.
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  Speaker 3: Especially men. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So if they're going at all, because they can't get in,
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  Speaker 1: because the whole academic.
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  Speaker 3: And they can't be a man because that's toxic masculinity.
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  Speaker 1: You're not even allowed to. It's discouraged.
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  Speaker 3: Can you imagine just how... I mean, you can imagine
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  Speaker 3: because you're young enough. But for a man that's been...
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  Speaker 3: Raised to respect women, be a gentleman, open the door,
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  Speaker 3: do all these things. It's like you're a misfit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: And the women will take you down as well as
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  Speaker 3: the institution. And everything is geared towards taking you down.
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  Speaker 1: And aren't the women kind of taught that? They don't
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  Speaker 1: really want that. They don't really want that in their hearts.
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  Speaker 1: I know. It's masculine men, and still most women want
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  Speaker 1: a masculine man.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I find most astonishing now, and
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  Speaker 3: I don't like to talk about race, but I have
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  Speaker 3: no problems talking about progressive white women and just how
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  Speaker 3: they are a threat to society, and especially the groups
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  Speaker 3: that they champion. It's like, I don't know what happened
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  Speaker 3: to these women. They are the strongest case for women
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  Speaker 3: not having leadership positions because they're They have lost their minds.
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  Speaker 1: I have said this. I said this on my live
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  Speaker 1: show yesterday. They are on a generationally bad run, the
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  Speaker 1: middle-aged white women. I don't know what happened. Do you
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  Speaker 1: know what happened?
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  Speaker 3: I think prosperity, and they had such white guilt.
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  Speaker 1: We solved too many problems. We solved all these problems,
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  Speaker 1: and then this is what we're doing with the time
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  Speaker 1: that we got back.
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  Speaker 3: But they're also putting their lives at risk because they
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  Speaker 3: do things that really put their lives at risk. their
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  Speaker 3: belief structure. And it's really a shame. It really is
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  Speaker 3: a shame.
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  Speaker 1: So I've got two questions in the time we've got remaining.
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  Speaker 1: First one, because you introduced it. I want to get
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  Speaker 1: your thoughts on race in America because it feels like
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  Speaker 1: we're really going towards evaluating people by race first whenever
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  Speaker 1: that suits one political worldview. Ironically, no one cares about
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  Speaker 1: the race of the Lindsay Clancy holdout juror. No one's
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  Speaker 1: defending him, a beautiful black man. No one wants to
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  Speaker 1: defend him because he's got an unpopular opinion. But we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about race all the time. We're not talking about
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  Speaker 1: merit at all.
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  Speaker 3: We're not having the right conversation about race. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What is the right conversation?
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  Speaker 3: There's something, I believe, that is taking place in the black,
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  Speaker 3: certain sectors of the black community that needs to be addressed,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the violent crime. I mean, there's heinous crimes
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  Speaker 3: being committed by some black youth and... And just some
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  Speaker 3: of these are immigrants, but the hatred, and a lot
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  Speaker 3: of it is hatred towards white people, and we have
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  Speaker 3: sort of operated from an approach that only minorities can
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  Speaker 3: be victims of hate crimes. I think that the violence,
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  Speaker 3: the judges that are turning out criminals, and these people
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  Speaker 3: are repeat offenders. In fact, here in Tennessee, Governor Lee...
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  Speaker 3: pardon a man that, a murderer, and the man had
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  Speaker 3: been sent back to prison once, and he's out again,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but he claims Jesus, and maybe it's genuine conversion,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't think, you know, if you take someone
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  Speaker 3: else's life, that, you know, you shouldn't be celebrated. You
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  Speaker 3: should not be celebrated. You should, just like Clancy, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if she was, where clearly she was We
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  Speaker 3: would like to think she was out of her mind.
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  Speaker 3: I tend to believe in demonic activity. Maybe she was
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  Speaker 3: filled with a demon. It doesn't matter. What matters is
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  Speaker 3: that she murdered her three children. She needs to pay
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  Speaker 3: the price. You pay the price. You take responsibility. And
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  Speaker 3: it seems that the jurors, the woman that's speaking on
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  Speaker 3: behalf of the women, says that they saw an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to make things better for women in And that would
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  Speaker 3: help the three children that were murdered. It didn't. They're crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Cray cray. One of the craziest moments in modern media
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  Speaker 1: that you went on TV and said justice for the
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  Speaker 1: kids would be letting her mom.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like.
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  Speaker 1: Your mom off.
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  Speaker 3: One part of the population that they have just Satan
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  Speaker 3: and evil that they have just been totally taken over
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: and consumed. Now, what can we do about it? I
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: believe that there is like a spirit of deception, there's
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: a fog that's over a lot of people in America,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: and those of us who are Christian believers and believe
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: that God is alive, God is real, I think that
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: we can pray for that deception, that fog to be broken,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: and for revival to take place, because there's something very
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: wrong happening in the black community that And it's not
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: being called out. And what happens is that everything that
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: happens is racialized in a way that blacks are the victims.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: They're always the victims. A black man hangs a black
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: woman and somehow, you know, it has to be white people.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. But black crime is real.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And I think it impacts, it's not that I think,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I know, it impacts the black community deeply. probably more
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: than any other community, but it spills over into the
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: white community, and the hate crimes that are taking place,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: those are often against white people or Jewish people. And
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: I think that there's no more free passes, that it
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: needs to be dealt with by Democrats and Republicans. They're
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: too cowardly to do so. And does it require racial profiling?
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: You know, there's a reason why racial profiling took place...
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: why police profiled, it was because certain groups were more
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: prone to commit certain kinds of crimes. And these crimes
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: that are taking place are crimes that are clearly documented.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: People go to prison. They're released. They go to jail.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: They're released. And they're released by these crazy liberal, many
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: of them female judges, not all female judges, but they're liberals.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: And so race... needs to be discussed, but in a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: different kind of way. Crime, we don't have to racialize it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: We can just say crime. Let's just deal with crime
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: and hold everyone to the same standard, and that will
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: take care of the black crime problem.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Carol Twain, you're a unique and important voice, so thank
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: you for doing all you do. Hope you're having fun.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Hope you have a great speech as well.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I hope so, too.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon, I hope.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Eric Eggers, GAI. What's your official title, GAI? You know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: it's unclear.
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: I'm definitely the co-host of the Drill Down podcast.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Which I love, which is one of the few podcasts
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I don't miss because you're very courteous of everyone's time.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: These are the most efficient podcasts around. They're not long.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: It's only one a week.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Everyone should get it. But right now, though, I want
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: to talk about Culture and Christianity Conference. We're here at
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Pastor Alan Jackson's incredible church. You just spoke. What's the content?
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: I spoke about how I think we are letting these
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: social media and AI companies negatively impact our children and
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: therefore our society and our future. You know, I talked
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: about Peter and I did a documentary about eight years
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: ago called the creepy lie. And the two main takeaways
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: from that are we have a physical self and we
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: have digital selves. And like we have learned over time
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: how to take care of our physical selves, but we
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: are very unaware and ignorant of our digital selves. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: as a result, These AI companies, which are essentially data companies,
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: are leveraging our ignorance and our passivity. And they are
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: monetizing it. They are cannibalizing it. And it's increasingly, as
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: studies are indicating, to the negative impact of us. And
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I talked about this Meta settlement, which we did on
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: a podcast a couple weeks ago. We gave– 47 states
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: allowed Meta to settle for $ 12 billion. And I just
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: talked about how three decades ago we had a tobacco
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: settlement for $ 200 billion.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, it's crazy.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: And I think the story kind of went away. And
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: part of the reason why it goes away, you don't
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: hear much media coverage about it, is every media person
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: after they're done with the newscast is like, hey, by
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: the way, make sure you follow us on Instagram, follow
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: us on Twitter.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's true, right?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And we've lived this at Breitbart, where we are completely
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: smashed by Google. We get almost no traffic from Google,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: whereas a lot of our competitors get 50% of their
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: traffic from Google. We're throttled in the YouTube algorithm. We're
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: throttled on TikTok. And all this is because we speak Truth.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: We speak the truth. We report on what these people
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: are doing. And that's the catch-22 every media outlet's in,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: and the government as well, because the government's increasingly dependent
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: on some of this tech, and super scary.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I think that's the point, right? The government is
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: the one that allowed the settlement to happen. 47 different states, right?
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, California and Kentucky were the two of the
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: states that led this charge. California's trying to stop Nick Shirley.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Kentucky's trying to keep Mitch McConnell alive. These are not
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: states that are aligned with each other. in some significant way,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: yet they find common ground on this, right? Like nobody,
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: we don't come together to stop welfare fraud. We don't
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: come together to pass voter ID, but we'll come together
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: to let Med off the hook. And, you know, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: it's just, I think it's a scandal, but it's because
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: to your point, they do have deep entanglements. These AI
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: companies are donating significant amounts of money to these state
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: attorneys general. They're donating significant amounts of money to all
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: these campaign coffers. So of course they, tend to kind
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: of get it taken easy on.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got people on the board of the New
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: York Times.
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: But the biggest thing on the settlement, the meta settlement
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: goes up.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Think about this, Alex.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: It goes up if YouTube and Snapchat and these other
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: technology companies agree to do the same thing meta is doing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: So meta is willing to pay more money if their
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: competition makes their products less addictive and less appealing. I
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: think it should be a much bigger deal. And so
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: the fact that, again, I think very kind people Settlement
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: on behalf of the government.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting thing because I feel like the social
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: media addiction, I feel like it's very similar to smoking.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's very similar to alcohol and stuff like
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that when you do these things. But people who like
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: to have a pop every once in a while, I've
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: been doing a pop every so often. And there are
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: people in my life who still smoke, which is kind
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: of crazy, cause a lot of cancer, but there are
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: people who do it. Everyone knows this stuff's naughty. Like
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the social media, I don't think we're admitting to ourselves,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: this is naughty. These are bad habits that we're in.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: And can we at least talk to ourselves about it?
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That when you see someone in public scrolling on their phone,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: whether they're a teenager or not, they're being rude. It's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like doing a bodily function in the middle of public.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: I think we should rebrand phone use as smoking.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: But here's the difference.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: And Jonathan Haidt, who wrote The Anxious Generation's, been on
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: this you know we now know that smoking was bad
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: tobacco companies for decades like oh we don't know you
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: know just just because the loan looks different who's to
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: say it's from smoking but eventually there was kind of
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: actual data and empirical evidence that said no it's there's
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: clearly a causal effect here but facebook and these companies
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: they're the only ones with access to the data then
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: they know exactly how much social media exposure teens and
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: youth is having on them No academic can recreate the
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: study because it is harmful and it involves minor children.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: So we're not going to create an environment where we're
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: exposing minor children to something that's harmful just for the
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: purpose of science. So these companies, again, they don't have
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: to disclose this data as part of the settlement. So
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: to your point, I think, yeah, it's going to take
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: like a societal awakening to be like, no, that's actually really.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Bad for you. Yeah, and it's interesting because Facebook is
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the only company that seems to be trying at least
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean maybe X, but at least
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: trying a little bit. To start or meta to at
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: least at least here.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: No, I want to be very clear. No, they weren't trying.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: They just agreed to do it because they were being sued.
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: They had lost a number of lawsuits beforehand. So I
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: think so. They have agreed to do this as part
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: of the settlement. But it's not like something they voluntarily
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: decided to do. In fact, the opposite is true. Mark Zuckerberg,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: when he testified. to a Senate committee, said there is
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: no correlation or causation. There's a difference between correlation and causation.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: And he fought for years. I'm not exactly sure, but
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: they have some kind of like a filter where you
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: can put a filter on some of these devices where
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: it makes it look like you've had cosmetic surgery. So
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: harmful for a teenage girl, body image stuff. And he's like, no,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: we're going to keep it. So they agreed to get
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: rid of it, but not like voluntarily. This is part
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: of the, because they got sued.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And we focus on the minors, and we should. I
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: know that was a big part of your talk today,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and that's essential. But even people my age, there's this
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: whole just influencer culture where people are given such a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: false perception about your life. And it is, I don't
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: think it's good when you have too much of that stuff.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: And we have a lot less church. We have a
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: lot more of watching people live these fake lives that
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: are super curated online. And we're getting less happy. We're
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: getting less spiritual. It has real downstream consequences. And it's
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: across the board with these platforms.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Well, and it has real downstream consequences specifically for our
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: children and our actual intellectual and academic performance. And that
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: was The new study came out from the Fordham Institute.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: So there's this trend called hasty reading. And we both
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: intuitively know this is true because the way our eyes
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: move now when we read things, it moves in a
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: different way. It moves much more kind of up to
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: down and not left to right. And we don't have
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: the same attention span as we used to have. So
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: this practice of hasty reading where kids don't actually understand
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: the thing they've read has doubled. They have studied this.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: And so, of course, it's only going to get worse.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: As a result, our academic performance relative to our international
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: peers is going down. And Peter Schweitzer, who I work
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: with and has done a great job with you guys
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: at Breitbart, he wrote a book about China, and he
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: talked about how they wage this unrestricted warfare. I don't
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: think it's an accident that this technology that China is
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: also pushing forward is negatively impacting our best resources with
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: our children's intellectual capacity.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Let's set this up with TikTok because whereas Facebook is
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: at least reluctantly working with us a little bit, TikTok
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: is running the complete opposite direction. They are tripling down
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: on all the worst stuff. This is a CCP spy app.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: We had the opportunity to ban it. We didn't ban it.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and now it's here, and now we've got the Lindsay
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Clancy stuff, where currency on TikTok is people who are
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: celebrating child slaughter. People who chase down their children, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: that is something that gets you currency in the algorithm.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: This is not a coincidence that the CCP controls this app,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: and that's what's going hot, that's what's hot, and it's
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: conditioning us, and we're watching this in real time, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: no one talks about it. There's like four people in
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: there like, I think TikTok's part of the problem. What
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: are you talking, that's the whole problem.
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: It's the whole problem. No, I believe, I'm not on TikTok, so, and, Honestly,
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: I've kind of stayed away from this Lindsay Clancy thing
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: just for my own mental health, but I totally believe you.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Well, my summary was perfect. No, I believe you.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: That's a cut, guys. But I would say, remember, TikTok's
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: algorithm was a Chinese state secret. My understanding was that
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: they were going to have to find some kind of
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: different algorithm. when they became U.S.-owned. But the China version
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: of TikTok is very different than the American version of TikTok.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: I promise you they're not talking about Lindsay Clancy stuff, right?
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: They're talking about vegetables and classical themes and history and
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: all that stuff.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's bad.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: And I just think that we, because of the nature
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: of our relationships, these are AI companies. We're relying on
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: AI to provide a lot of things. We're competing. But
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: AI companies are data companies. And Elon Musk has been
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: very clear about that. And they are harvesting our data.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: And I just think there's always this gap between when
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: a technology is introduced and when we figure out how
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: to regulate or use it successfully. Cars were invented in
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: the early 1900s. We didn't start talking about seatbelts in
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: the 1960s. An AI autonomous drone killed somebody on the
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: battlefield in Libya in 2020, and Congress issued its first
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: report about AI in 2024. There's a gap, and there's
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: a lot of bad things that happen in that gap.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: We are currently living in that gap. That settlement to
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: me is the beginning of a conversation we should have,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: but I think it should be the beginning and not
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: the end.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so GAI, shout out to your Schweitzer,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: by the way, for leading the way in all the
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: TikTok reporting, who is We share he's GAI president, also
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: works for us at Breitbart News as a senior contributor.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: What are you most excited about right.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Now, Eric?
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: Well, we try to talk about these things on our podcast,
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: The Drill Down. He's working on a book, and I
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: would say it's programs like yours, conferences like this where
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: people are unafraid to speak hard truths.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I think it matters.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: I mean, look at the Lindsay Clancy example you just said. Like,
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: there's people you can't say. Like, there was one juror
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: in the Lindsay Clancy case that said, killing your children is,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: let me check my notes here, murder.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: And then he is, he, not the person who murdered
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: three children, but he's the one that's being vilified.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: And it's only because apparently he's an African-American male that
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: he's somehow slightly more protected from what would be the
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: online woke mob violence and vitriol. So it's an insane
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: time that we're living in. So I do think. Any
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: opportunity we have to go consume content that's true and
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: honest and courageous I think is important.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: We try to do that on our podcast. We've got
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of meat on the bone here. I want
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: to ask you about your kids who are a little
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: bit older than mine. I want to ask how you're
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: dealing with all this stuff as a parent. But we've
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: got to go do a panel. So let's run the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Drill Down podcast. Eric Eggers and Peter Schweitzer every week.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And come back soon and we'll talk longer. Alex, anytime, buddy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Good to see you.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Katie Gorka is with me. She's at the America First
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Policy Institute. We just had the founder, Brooke Rollins, on
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: last week on my live show, and she was incredibly
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: articulate about all the stuff the USDA is doing right now.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: You've got also another important title, the wife of Dr.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Sebastian Gorka, our favorite, who we invented. We invented Dr.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Sebastian Gorka at Breitbart News, our first national security editor.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the work you're doing, first of all,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: at America First Policy Institute, and then At the Culture
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: and Christianity Conference where we are today.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so really fun.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Actually, exactly one year ago today, Constitution Day last year,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: we brought together about 60 leaders from the education movement,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: especially people engaged in civics. And we launched something called
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the Freedom 250 Civic Education Coalition. And the whole idea
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: was we got to get love of country back into
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the schools. We got to get the good teaching of
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: civics back into schools. And it was, you know, it
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: was a very sort of emotional and momentous occasion because
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it was seven days after Charlie Kirk had been shot.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: He was supposed to be at the event because we had,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: you know, all our friends, Prager, Hillsdale, you And so
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to come together seven days after that had happened was
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: really emotional. But it was also great, you know, to
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: kind of find our renewed spirit after that terrible tragedy
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: in coming together to fight for the thing that Charlie
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: cared so much about, which was freedom in this country.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: And that's what we worked for. So we spent the
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: last year, this coalition, our coalition is now about 80
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: members of and we are all working to get the
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: bad out of schools, to get the good into schools,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: to get the notion of patriotic education and not be
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: controversial anymore. It's incredible to me that it is considered
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: controversial at all, but it is, and so that's what
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: we work on.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: So my kids are just getting into school age. I've
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: got a third grader, a first grader, and a pre-kindergartener,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and so I'm already feeling a little removed from the curriculum.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: So what do we do? I don't feel like I've
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: got a big say in what they're learning in the classroom.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: So what do we do to stay engaged and to
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: make sure that we're trying to push teachers to teach
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: good stuff for our kids?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: So let me start by asking you, do you feel
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: like you know what they're being taught?
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: A fair bit because I get the homework packets and
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I look over their shoulder. And a lot of macaroni
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: art still at this phase and a lot of book
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: reading that is, you know, very sort of secular generic stuff.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But most of it is fine.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: And are they in public school?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Public school, yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to think.
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  Speaker 2: Really hard about education these days, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely incredible, the stuff that's being pushed in schools. I
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  Speaker 2: think the two biggest areas of concern for me, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm in Fairfax County, which is kind of like the California.
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  Speaker 4: Of the East, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure is, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But so we've done a lot of deep dives into
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: what's being taught. Honestly, the content being taught around sexuality,
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  Speaker 2: what they sort of benignly call family life education, is shocking.
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  Speaker 3: Truly.
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  Speaker 2: And part of the problem is the way teaching has
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  Speaker 2: gone these days where kids don't really have hard textbooks
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  Speaker 2: anymore that they bring home, you don't often know what's
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  Speaker 2: being taught. And we've had people in Fairfax do a
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  Speaker 2: deep dive on the family life education.
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  Speaker 4: You would be appalled.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it is pornographic and it starts early.
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  Speaker 2: And honestly, schools like Fairfax. OK, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: speak for your school in California, but it's California. The
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  Speaker 2: way that they are pushing the transgender agenda, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all the other crazy agendas. It's it's really a problem.
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  Speaker 2: And I think for too many parents, they don't realize
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  Speaker 2: until it's too late. So honestly, if I had to
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  Speaker 2: do it over again, I would 100%, no question to ask,
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  Speaker 2: I would sell my car if I had to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I would put my kids into Christian school or classical school.
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  Speaker 1: So this is not an option for every family, though.
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  Speaker 1: So let's speak to the families who can't. So I
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: know ideally we're in that environment, but let's say you
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: can't get... into an environment like that. Or you're in
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: an area where even the Christian schools are too weak,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: which is I've been talking to some of the faith
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  Speaker 1: leaders here this week at the conference about how that's
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: another concern I've got is that I go to Catholic
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  Speaker 1: church in the L.A. area. There's a lot of weak
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  Speaker 1: churches that are out there that are preaching all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of stuff that would not make me want to put
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  Speaker 1: my kids in their school and pay money to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And to be fair, you bring up another great point,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: which is I really, I don't mean to smear all
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: public schools. There are great public schools out there. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: even within the schools that aren't great, there are still
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: great teachers. So it's not a universal problem. Look, what
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I've learned over the years that I've been working on
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: education and helping to empower parents in education, I think
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: the first step is always education. a parent should talk
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  Speaker 2: to the teacher and say, I want you to understand that,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: you know, this is where we're coming from. These are
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: our values, especially as you start getting into those years where,
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: you know, they may be bringing, especially around the sex
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  Speaker 2: ed stuff, if they're going to be bringing it in,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: helping teachers understand where you're coming from, getting a sense
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: of where the teacher's coming from.
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  Speaker 4: You know, a lot of teachers, they are very reasonable.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: They are.
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  Speaker 2: And I think parents can have very constructive relationships with teachers.
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  Speaker 2: Beyond that, I will just say I think it's super,
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  Speaker 2: super important that parents be cognizant of what their children
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: are being taught. Really look at the content. Because here's
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: the problem. No kid's going to come home and say,
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  Speaker 2: Mom and Dad, guess what I learned in school today?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: When it's something awkward and embarrassing.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not going to involve me. No, exactly right. No,
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  Speaker 1: I would never. Just thinking back to how I was,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I would never have shared that stuff. And that's one
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: of the things I do worry about, particularly where I am,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: because I'm in a sort of purple district and the
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: school the parents are very activated in the schools that's
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: great that said though how long how many times it's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: i just feel like someone could sneak up on you
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: still and that is oh yeah a big fear that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: something could happen out of nowhere and then all of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: a sudden You're thrust into trans conversation with your fourth
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: grader and just think, why? We don't want that.
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  Speaker 2: And also, I mean, the other really big issue is
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: the rampant anti-Americanism. I mean, California's got a pretty terrible
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: ethnic studies curriculum. You know, I remember in Fairfax County,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and our kids were in Catholic schools. And I remember
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: them coming home and giving us the argument about the
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: core and the periphery and that the only reason the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: United States is prosperous is because we're exploiting people out
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: on the periphery. And you can imagine what my husband
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: did with that information.
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  Speaker 4: But, yeah, I think that's– So these are all the problems.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so give us a couple of bullets that we
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: could do to take back to our communities to make
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: sure that we know what's going on in the schools
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and the education system and how we can improve it.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Make sure it's more pro-American.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Number one, knowing what's in the schools. I can't
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  Speaker 2: stress it enough. Parents cannot just take their hands off
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  Speaker 2: and say, I trust what my kids are being taught.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: So knowing what your kids are being taught. Finding like-minded
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: parents and getting together and developing a voice. It doesn't
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: have to be combative. I've seen times where parents have
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: very effectively gotten together with other parents and just said,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: we don't like this content or get the flags out,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: get the bad flags out. There's so many different steps
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: that people can take, but I always think finding like-minded
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: parents is the first step. It's very hard to tackle
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: this stuff alone. And also the tricky thing is also
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: nobody wants to put a target on their kids back.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: You don't want to be the one that's, you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: going in and making trouble, especially.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: As your kids get older and they're aware of what
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: you're doing.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: They're going to be like, mom, dad, please do not
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: go in and talk to the headmaster.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: So that's why I think there's real safety in numbers
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and engaging with your school board. A lot of people, surprisingly,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: still don't pay attention to school board races. Honestly, it's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: probably the most important thing you can do at the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: local level is make sure you've got good people on
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: your school board.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: And these are great races to.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Get involved with because, honestly, they're not that expensive to
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: help people win them. And so supporting good local school
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: board candidates or even running for school board yourself.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm for that. just get involved the civic level
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: if you got the time then and even if you
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: don't have the time do it because you'll probably learn
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a lot in the process it's good to volunteer i
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: mean we need engaged citizens my first book that was
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: the conclusion was everyone needs to go go run for
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: something go volunteer for something it just You can't only
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: just do your job and raise nice kids. There's more
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: to it to be a good member of society at
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: this point. So let's talk about the conference, the Culture
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and Christianity Conference. What's the message you're conveying to the audience?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: And most importantly, how do people of faith grapple with
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: our gradually deteriorating school system that is both primary, secondary,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and even graduate level? They're all working to erode faith.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: It's either slowly or quickly. It's all anti-faith. Almost all
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: of it is, just about. How do you get out
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of that cycle?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: So my argument is we have really let Marxism and
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: socialism and communism in the door. It has made incredible
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: inroads in the last 65 years, really, honestly. I mean,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I kind of mark its beginning to the birth of
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the Students for a Democratic Society in 1962. You can
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: trace it back further, but that's kind of when this
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: really started. They have been growing it and building it
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: for 65 years. And look at where we are today.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, attitudes among students towards socialism is really bad news.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: The number of members of Democrat Socialists of America who've
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: gotten elected is really bad news.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: And here's the thing. We were warned.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: There was a spate of books, particularly around 1989, where
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: a number of people, Dinesh D'Souza, Peter Thiel, Alan Bloom, Roger,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: not Roger Scruton, I'm blanking. So where people wrote great
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: books to warn us that our universities had.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Gone off the rails.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure.
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: We didn't do anything.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was very much like, I don't know if
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: you heard what Pastor Gary Hamrick said this morning, but
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: he told a very powerful story about Christians in Germany
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: who heard the trains of Jews being driven to the gulags,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: to the concentration camps. And what they said was, We
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: just prayed louder so we didn't have to listen to
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: their screams. And I feel like we're a little bit
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: guilty of the same thing. We have been warned for
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: years about the direction that our colleges were going. And
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: our K-12. And I don't know, I think we've all
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: just sort of said, on the one hand, can it
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: really be all that bad? Or on the other, what
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: can I as one person do?
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's a very... It's too fatalistic and I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: just don't dig it at all. Our last one for today,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you're married to our favorite, Dr. Sebastian Gorka, who we invented,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: we created him, National Security Editor for Breitbart News, and
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: then he went on to all these amazing things. I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: spoke to him today, just the most Lovely guy, but
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: also a fierce bulldog in many ways. Give me a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: day in the life. What's it like to live with Dr. G?
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Well, he is a totally different person at home than
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: who he is in public, and I think that's what
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of people don't realize. And he's always shocked
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: that he thinks people see him as someone who's fierce
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: because he is like a big kid. He is the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: first person to tell you he's like a 12-year-old. But
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: he is an incredible husband and father, and he loves
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: his dogs, which I know he's got them on social
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: media all So.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: You know, my, my wife, we need, you guys have Malinois?
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: No, Belgian Tervorans. So they're related, but they're a little different.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: So my, my wife keeps bothering me to go get the, the, she,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: she needs one. Oh, like one of his dogs.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: The Tervoran. They're incredible dogs.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: She wants one specifically from, because of his socials and stuff.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: That's funny.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And so I got to go and work it out
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: with him how to get one.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And, and the other big news, I don't know if
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: he talks about it, but, um, We're about to become grandparents,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: so we're super excited.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Congratulations.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I've got to tell you, I'm just getting out of
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the baby phase, and I already miss it. So I'm
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: a little jealous.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've been waiting 27 years, so I'm
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: super excited.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Wonderful stuff. It's Dr. Katie Gorka.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: No, it's not.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: It's Katie Gorka.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Katie Gorka. Why did I think it was doctor? I
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: give you an honor. Hey, you know what? Doctor failed.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: He's been pulling it off.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's a real doctor.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: It's the glasses.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Katie Gorka, really nice to see you, and thanks so
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: much for stopping by.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.