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A Woman Agrees with the Red Pill, but Men still to blame · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: and this is maintaining frame where we are going to
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  Speaker 1: be looking at a medium article from Bitchy. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: really sure how medium works. I guess Bitchy is like
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  Speaker 1: a sub pageist.
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  Speaker 2: It's a feminist magazine.
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  Speaker 1: It's a feminist magazine.
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  Speaker 2: Within no, it's it is like a traditionally published feminist magazine.
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  Speaker 1: I remember a magazine called bitch. Is that what you're
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you're.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, bitch. Maybe this is different.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a there's a magazine called bitch. It
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  Speaker 1: was like a lesbian political lesbian magazine. Bitchy seems like
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  Speaker 1: it might might be a medium blog thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me see if I can find out for sure.
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  Speaker 2: shall we?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, let's get into the article. So this article is,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, it's from It's on medium blog website
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  Speaker 1: Medium dot com, I'm not even sure. And they're sort
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  Speaker 1: of subgroup Bitchy, which I guess is where all the
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  Speaker 1: feminist stuff is at. And it's entitled the Parts of
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  Speaker 1: the Red Pill I secretly agree with as a feminist.
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  Speaker 1: This is the uncomfortable truth though not really a secret
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  Speaker 1: since she is posting it on a medium blog. Bye
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  Speaker 1: bye Maschav shellef, which is a weird, interesting name. I
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  Speaker 1: thought I would look up who this is really quick
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  Speaker 1: before we get into it. So she's gonna be writing
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  Speaker 1: an article about the red pill the parts that she
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  Speaker 1: agrees with secretly. And she has a website apparently, so
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  Speaker 1: Mashavshalef dot com. She managed to get the dot com
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  Speaker 1: on that one about me. I Hi, I'm Mashav Chalef,
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  Speaker 1: a creator, builder and strategist strategist And there's a picture
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  Speaker 1: of her looking angry, because they always do. For a decade,
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  Speaker 1: I built and ran service based culinary businesses, crafting experiences
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  Speaker 1: that connects people through food. As the world shifted post COVID,
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  Speaker 1: so did I, and I pivoted to digital entrepreneurship, creating scalable,
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  Speaker 1: high impact projects that blend strategy, storytelling, and intentionality. I
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  Speaker 1: thrive on starting, launching and growing unique projects, constantly learning, adapting,
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  Speaker 1: and bringing ideas to life. Wow. Yeah, that is.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of relational web signaling. Holy shit, she looks
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  Speaker 2: like like a lesbian vampire. Like, oh my gosh, she
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  Speaker 2: looks like she has like a bunch of coffins in
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  Speaker 2: her attic, like of previous lovers that have turned the
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  Speaker 2: desiccated mummies because of her horrible catch twenty two, she says,
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  Speaker 2: you live with me forever. Not really, You'll just end
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  Speaker 2: up dying horribly after a couple centuries, and I'll put
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  Speaker 2: you in a coffin and you'll just scream your lungs
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  Speaker 2: out and throughout internity. So it will be forever. It'll
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  Speaker 2: just be miserable. No, she man, that was that is
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  Speaker 2: really unflattering. It's all I can say. And also, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, a lot of relational web signaling there.
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  Speaker 1: And she didn't take that picture for you, Allison, She
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  Speaker 1: took that picture for herself. You big it. I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: not looking at it at all because i know I'm
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  Speaker 1: not supposed to look at it, So instead I'm looking
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  Speaker 1: at what I'm assuming is the subject of the photo,
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  Speaker 1: which are the pictures hanging on the wall behind her,
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  Speaker 1: because that's how women take pictures of other things. Could
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  Speaker 1: she themselves in it? But then they demand you not
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  Speaker 1: look at them.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Like if she's not taking this picture for anybody,
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  Speaker 2: why the tube top you know, you know, and the
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  Speaker 2: obvious like nimple nipple ded indentations like why why? So
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  Speaker 2: I don't know? Okay, all right, all right enough enough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so let's let's see what else she says
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  Speaker 1: about herself, because it's like the Okay, she is a
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  Speaker 1: multi passionate entrepreneur, writer, and a systems thinker. So they're no, oh, checkmate, Allison. No,
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  Speaker 1: she said it right. It says right here on our website,
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  Speaker 1: systems thinker, you big it? How do how do you?
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  Speaker 1: You can't? You can't tell her what she is?
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't think so I have my doubts. I
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  Speaker 2: have some huge doubts, like, uh, first of all, I
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  Speaker 2: think actual systems thinker wouldn't be doing this much relational
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  Speaker 2: web signaling. I think what she means by Simpson's thinker
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  Speaker 2: is that she is a web tracker, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: of women. So I don't even know why she's bragging
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  Speaker 2: about that. All right, let's keep.
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  Speaker 1: Going feminist, queer woman and a mom to Leanna and
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  Speaker 1: two cats. Who the heck is Leanna? And how do
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  Speaker 1: we rescue Leanna from her?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming a daughter from some other from some previous
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  Speaker 1: relationship with a man. That's all I can assume.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's uh possibly, why wouldn't she say my daughter, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: of course possessive. We're not allowed to do that.
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  Speaker 1: No idea, no idea. Then lastly, she is a highly
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  Speaker 1: sensitive person HSP, because now we gotta we gotta take
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  Speaker 1: everything and turn it into some kind of like you know, diagnostic,
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  Speaker 1: medicalized term. I'm a highly sensitive person. I'm on the
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  Speaker 1: ah HSP spectrum who turns deep thinking into bold action.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord, oh my god. If this was a man,
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  Speaker 2: other men would laugh at him.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I'm a DT. What's that? A deep thinker?
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  Speaker 2: Could you imagine that? What's if this was? Oh? Like,
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  Speaker 2: all of this is just it's just signaling. You're just
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  Speaker 2: you're just pigging yourself up. And do you have the
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  Speaker 2: chops to to pay these these checks you're you're writing here.
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  Speaker 2: I like the thing is that she spends so much
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  Speaker 2: time signaling and no time detailing what she actually has done.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, It's like, there's no these
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  Speaker 2: are my publications. So these are the frameworks I've developed.
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  Speaker 2: This is these are the projects I've worked on. These
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  Speaker 2: are my actual skill set. This is not a skill set.
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  Speaker 2: This is just a series of assertions about oneself. So
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  Speaker 2: it's like the it's like a cyber feminism all over again,
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  Speaker 2: where we're just we're Donna Harroway is doing a ted
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  Speaker 2: lecture on Dara Harroway. That's it on where she is
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  Speaker 2: within the web and where she is in relation to
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  Speaker 2: you and you and you. It's like, so all you're
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  Speaker 2: doing is just basically making bald face assertions about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's no wonder that women think that men's
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  Speaker 2: cultures are hostile, because if a woman walks into like
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  Speaker 2: a group of men and starts beaking off like this,
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  Speaker 2: they're they're going, they're gonna laugh at her because she's
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  Speaker 2: just asserting all these things for herself which she has
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  Speaker 2: not proved. And like I said, no wonder women find
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  Speaker 2: male culture hostyle. The reason why is you don't assert,
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  Speaker 2: you show. And this is all asserting and no showing.
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  Speaker 2: It's not even the pretense of showing like I worked
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  Speaker 2: on this, I worked on that. I worked it study
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  Speaker 2: the pretense or I know these people or something, or
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  Speaker 2: I graduated from here. This is all just flat out
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  Speaker 2: I am this, this is this is this, these are
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  Speaker 2: my coordinates. Uh you I've just told you the way
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  Speaker 2: they are that you you don't believe me that, then
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  Speaker 2: you're a misogynist. How do you distinguish that from just
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  Speaker 2: being a flat out narcissist. I believe in creating things
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  Speaker 2: that matter. Oh my dear, wow, that's radical. Like as
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  Speaker 2: a person, I have never wont to do anything that matters.
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  Speaker 2: I've wanted to fill my life full of busy work
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  Speaker 2: for no reason, to affect no appreciable outcome, and dead
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  Speaker 2: in my life with meaninglessness like okay, sorry, oh.
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  Speaker 1: It's no, you're fine. It is it? I think that
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  Speaker 1: this this website looks like it's essentially a resume, so
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  Speaker 1: that she's using to like get work some you know
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  Speaker 1: in I don't know what the business into she wants
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  Speaker 1: to break into the systems thinking feminist, queer woman, cat
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  Speaker 1: lady industry for HSPs. I don't know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what it it's. It's she's selling. But she's apparently a
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  Speaker 1: strategist and a storyteller, and she's intentional because she does
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  Speaker 1: it with intentionality. I don't do anything with intention I,
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  Speaker 1: you know, things just happen. I'm like a dog a car.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't know what to do if I call one
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  Speaker 1: all right anyway, My I know I want to. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna just want to see tell you guys where we're
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  Speaker 1: coming from. So her vision, I believe in creating things
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  Speaker 1: that matter, projects that challenge narratives, inspire action, and make
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  Speaker 1: space for people to redefine themselves in their own terms.
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  Speaker 1: My work isn't about fitting into traditional boxes. It's about
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  Speaker 1: breaking them, rebuilding them, and making something entirely new. I
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  Speaker 1: want to keep building, questioning, and evolving while experiencing different mediums,
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  Speaker 1: while helping others do the same. Success to me isn't
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  Speaker 1: just about business. It's about living, intentionally, creating meaning, and
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  Speaker 1: leaving behind something I'm proud of. Okay, I'm gonna stop there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what she makes. I don't, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what she makes?
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  Speaker 2: How much should we read? What? What do you do?
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  Speaker 2: What are you skills about me? What have you made?
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  Speaker 1: She does a website, branding, she does she does everything
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  Speaker 1: she does, content creation, culinary, in person experiences. What's an
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  Speaker 1: in person experience?
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  Speaker 2: What is that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't evolve her present her visual presentation.
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  Speaker 1: Private events in San Francisco, Tel Avison Secret Kitchen. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the pallor is due to veganism. Veganism somebody
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  Speaker 2: needs a little bit of red meat in or diet.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know what now that you mention it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious. Yeah, I think it's I think it's she's
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  Speaker 1: she's a cook, but she can't just be a cook.
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  Speaker 1: She's so much more important, Allison, don't you see. She's
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  Speaker 1: also written other other articles like is it mom's fault
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  Speaker 1: that boys grew up to be entitled? Boys? They grow
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  Speaker 1: up to be entitled? Did you know that?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, you're running out of reasons why boys are entitled.
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  Speaker 2: I guess this is because single mothers are producing uh,
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  Speaker 2: let's say, the least socially desirable boys, at least statistically.
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  Speaker 2: So they have to start explaining how that is, how
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  Speaker 2: single moms, how this is happening. And well, the thing
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  Speaker 2: is that you're you're down to socialization, right, ladies, feminists.
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  Speaker 2: So it's hard when you got rid of the father,
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  Speaker 2: you got worse outcomes. It's hard to blame. But you're
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  Speaker 2: you're still gonna try, aren't you. You're still gonna make
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  Speaker 2: that point. Yeah, okay, good luck with that? Is it
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  Speaker 2: just you know? It isn't just me? I know everybody's
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  Speaker 2: gonna agree with us, like nive percent of these women's
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  Speaker 2: output is trying to evade any kind of repet responsibility
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  Speaker 2: for anything. Just just floating that out there, I thought
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  Speaker 2: it's probably not a ratical thoughts. It's actually a pedestrian
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  Speaker 2: thought at this point. Okay, I feel like you're distracted,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for all your help. MM hmm,
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  Speaker 1: all right, okay, so let's get into the article itself.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted this woman's written some other stuff, but it's
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  Speaker 1: all feminists, right. So there was one called women are
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  Speaker 1: expected to disappear into other people's crises. Another one called
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  Speaker 1: so you think you're one of the good men? So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's that. Okay, So what is she gonna say about
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  Speaker 1: this non member read for free here? No? Okay, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't expect to learn anything new by watching Netflix's
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: new docuis Louis Thorreau Inside the Manisphere. Yes, that's still
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  Speaker 1: going to haunt us for a while. I knew the
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: red Pill script already from a feminist lens, the endless
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: rants about hypergamy, sexual market value, feminism as the root
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  Speaker 1: of male suffering. I haven't been targeted to consume this content,
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  Speaker 1: only the female response to it. If I'm being honest,
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  Speaker 1: I've once seen an ebook title that got me intrigued,
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  Speaker 1: only to realize that the red pill pipeline is staring
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  Speaker 1: me in the face. While reading the description, I remember thinking,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: that's a period at the end of that sentence. So
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  Speaker 1: she actually remembers having thought at some point, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: is what that means. Oh, I could see why it
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  Speaker 1: would appeal to young men. The promise is tempting. Do
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  Speaker 1: you want to be confident, rich and sleep with any
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  Speaker 1: girl you like? Or stay the loser that you are now?
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  Speaker 1: Easy choice? But is it really that binary? I felt
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  Speaker 1: nauseous and quickly closed the tab, feeling horrid for even
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  Speaker 1: having read thus far. Okay, so yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: This is the bar where a man wanting to be
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  Speaker 2: successful financially and wanting to be successful romantically is misogyny. Guys,
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  Speaker 2: such a strong dose of misogyny. It made this woman nauseous,
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  Speaker 2: Like you do you see what I'm what what she
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  Speaker 2: just said, like the basic desires of a human being
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  Speaker 2: to be successful, right, to have some form of success,
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  Speaker 2: and to be successful with the opposite sex. For most people,
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  Speaker 2: that's the thing, right, That's why we're on this earth,
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  Speaker 2: to to gather or hunt successfully and to reproduce with
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  Speaker 2: our pair bonded partner. And both of those things are
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  Speaker 2: causing this woman to be nauseous and to just be
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  Speaker 2: like I I get it because I understand the depth
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  Speaker 2: of horror, the corruption, the seeping evil of the male's soul.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just I'd like to be financially successful in
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  Speaker 2: how life. That's the seeping evil Brian, yep.
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  Speaker 1: This Yeah, No, Well, remember when a long time ago
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  Speaker 1: when we had Jordan Peterson on and we spent a
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  Speaker 1: good amount of time talking about disgust response. This is
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  Speaker 1: like what I mean, this is like, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what you call this, but this woman clearly has a
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  Speaker 1: real problem with men just like wanting to be wanted.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. That's all it is, you know, mm hmm. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So all right, so let's keep going. Yeah, so she
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  Speaker 1: felt nauseous at the idea that men would like want
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  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to attract a mate. Back
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  Speaker 1: to the documentary, I wasn't surprised at watching these guys
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  Speaker 1: defend it live. I what I wasn't surprised that watching
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  Speaker 1: these guys defend it oh live. I think she means
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  Speaker 1: that there are guys that exist that would watch this.
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  Speaker 1: I felt the gut punch of their twisted worldview, misogyny
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  Speaker 1: and the way they talk about women like home appliances.
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  Speaker 2: What it's not. I'm guessing we're not going to get
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  Speaker 2: any verification on that allegation, any original sources, any quotes.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's referring to because we did. I did
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  Speaker 1: watch the documentary. There's like a scene where I think
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  Speaker 1: it's HSD. He makes a joke. Yeah, he makes a
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  Speaker 1: joke at the expense of the girl and says, this
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  Speaker 1: is my dishwasher and she laughs at it. The girl
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  Speaker 1: laughs at it because but of course it was put
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: in the film to get people upset, like that was
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  Speaker 1: why Louis Thereaux said we'll leave this in because it'll
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  Speaker 1: piss people off. But yeah, it was clearly just bants.
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  Speaker 1: You know if that was playful answer between people who
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  Speaker 1: chose as adults to spend time around each other. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's not no, no, yeah, it was like that you
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  Speaker 1: know that meme with the man the woman saying I consent,
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  Speaker 1: I consent, And then there's like some I don't know
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: politicians saying I don't that that's where she is.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but that's a yeah, okay.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, that controversial. So yeah, home appliances. But there was
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: another reaction. I didn't expect recognition. What's with these Look
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not a writer, but why is this written this way?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Were those like entire paragraph sections devoted to like a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: single word? Is this supposed to be like a dramatic pause.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Is this creative writing? There's poetry? Is that what this is?
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Should we put some like some bongo drums in the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: background or something? You go with it?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: You know you know how to play bongo drums?
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: No? No, And I'm offended that you assume I do. No,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I just don't have any handy. But uh okay,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I could try, like, yeah, there you go, but then
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it's gonna make the cartoon switch. But there was another
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: reason that I didn't expect recognition. That's the uncomfortable part,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: because if you strip away the conclusions, there are moments
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: where you hear something and think, yes, you're not totally wrong.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Red pillars say taking the pill means waking up from
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: a lie. You take it, and suddenly you see the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: world clearly. Dating is a marketplace. Women trade youth and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: beauty for men's resources. Feminism lied and men are the
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: ones being used. Ones you've woken up from the lie.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: The red pill tries to game the system, learn the rules,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: build status, lift weight, stack cash, get leverage, optimize. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: don't agree with that version of reality, but I also
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: think we're living inside a system that wasn't designed for
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: our benefit and doesn't care about us as individuals. Ah. So,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: so now she's gonna make the she's gonna make the
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: argument that the red pill is right because it's patriarchy's
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: fault or so yeah, because we live in a society
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: and we should tear it all down. And then the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: because the red pill. You know, you guys, you do
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: have a point. You shouldn't have to chase cash. We
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: should just have things like why do we have to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: buy things? Why does stuff cost money? It shouldn't you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: then no one would ever be picky. Well, anyway, I.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Want to actually, I want to actually challenge that stuff
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't cost money. It costs labor. And what that means
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: is you get something because you have done something, you've
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: offered a certain of us, or you've created a product
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: or something, you've put put something back into the economy.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Money is just keeping track of all of that. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: when they when they when they start talking about like, oh,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: let's just give everybody money, if nobody is actually putting
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: anything into the shelf, into the communal shelf, the money
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: is worthless, so let's keep going.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: No, No, I don't disagree. I mean money is just
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: a measure of you know, your productivity. That's all it is, right,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: It's it's a it's the only way we can do that.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: But I think that she is well, I don't know
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: where she's going. I mean, she's a little too too too,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: too much of a genius for me.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: All right, you have to have a hot IQ of Yeah, you.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Got to have a really high IQ to have to
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: be a female systems thinker. That is so authentic all
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the time. But anyway, yes, full of intentionality.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: What does intentionality mean?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean to do it. I am doing this show
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: with intentionality. Yeah. Whatever I do is it's something I wanted.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: To do, so I intended to do that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: What would have really pissed me off is if that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: kind of rhetoric actually got her a job. But anyway,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: probably let's see, Yeah no, probably because she's a woman, Okay,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: But I also think we're living inside a system that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't just.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: She is a vegan, yeah of course, oh god, yeah,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: you can tell the vegans. They always have an undead
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: pallor uh.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Girls are trained early, be accommodating, be pleasant, don't ask
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: for too much, always get a different script, perform, produce,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: dominate difference. Yeah, that's what she's saying. She she she's
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: got it all figured out als and she's unlocked it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: She's solved the riddle. So girls are trained early. So
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: this always comes back to like the blank slate socialization,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: you know, script, that's the usual thing that they do.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Girls are trained early, be accommodating, pleasant, don't ask for
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: too much. Boys get a different script, perform, produce, dominate
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: different scripts within the same rigged system. Where we diverge
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: is not in seeing this, it's in naming it. They
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: think the system is women. I think the system is
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: much bigger than that and much less convenient to blame.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, do they really think the system is women?
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But okay, first of all, presumably if a man
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: wants to have a relationship with a woman, it's the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: woman who decides whether or not that happens. So yeah,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you know, and women are to blame for not choosing
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the average men even when they're average, right, And there's
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: all kinds of excuses that's going on, And I think
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that all of that is just excuses, and what's really
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: happening is actually on a level of endocrinology. And I've
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: said this multiple times, and I'm going to say it again,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: So brace yourselves, guys. Our society is too comfortable. Women
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: are not experiencing in my hypothesis V one a R
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: cross activation. So in other words, they stay in a
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: juvenile mindset that they're just not appropriate for adult things
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: like marriage and reproduction. They don't have the mentality necessary
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: to support these things. And even if they accidentally end
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: up in one, which like this woman, they can't sustain
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it because they're in a state of sort of like
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: an atavistic juvenile state. And it's because there's there's no
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: survival threat, there is no kind of pressure that's pushing
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: them into that activation. So they just end up floating
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: in a pool of oxytocin, committing to nothing and being
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: unable to commit to anything, being unable to develop the
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: kind of target specificity that a pair bond requires. And
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: there's nothing men can do about it. I mean, what
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: have men gonna do? Like, how can they if the
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: female animal is in a juvenile state unsuitable for reproduction?
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: What can men do? And I if you think that
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I'm being ridiculous, I invite you to go watch that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: dating panel that we watched a month ago, now where
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you have four men, well four and a half. I'm
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: still the light plaid dude. I'm still questioning. But you've
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: got to you knowink, I got to arrange of men,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: all of whom are ready to be providers, ready to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: take their responsibility for their half of a relationship, demonstrate
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: custodial behavior even in the face of extreme I don't
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: want to say provocation, but those women were incoherent, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: the men were actually taking it upon themselves to turn
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: their incoherence into something approaching a dialogue that was sensible,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: That was custodial action on the part of men. They
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: were taking responsibility for the panel not being a smoking
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: crater of female apes humping things or whatever they're gonna do. Right,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And I'm like watching this, I'm like, yeah, the men
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: are there, and it's probably because men don't need as
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: much well, I mean, they sort of seek it out,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: but they did become prepared women, don't you know, without
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: that survival threat, they just stay juveniles. They stay in
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: that headspace that the only thing sex is for is pleasure.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: In stat this seeking rather than you know, a necessary
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: component of creating a family and establishing a bond with
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: another human being. And what do you do with that?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: What are these men do? What are they gonna do?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: What are those guys gonna do? Kidnap one of those women,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: shove her in a desert and say, hey, I'll wife
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: you up if you survive.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Are they gonna, like I don't know, take her through
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: a war zone, get her that v one ar cross activation,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: going force her to run a marathon? Like there's there's
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: nothing men can do to make these women suitable partners.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: And then this is something conservatives need to realize when
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I peel the conservatives, because the other half is a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: lost cause completely, But it's like you just what can
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: you do? What can you do? And and the thing
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: is that those guys didn't demonstrate a single lick of
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: sexual interest in those women, which was really fascinating, But
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense because men aren't supposed to respond
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: sexually to juveniles, and that's what they were the only
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: men who are going to respond to that kind of
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: behavior in women, that kind of juvenile behavior, and women
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: are predators, which is why every single one of them
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: has U is an orbit around a man who's never
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: going to commit to them and hasn't Are they all dating?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Aren't narcissists, right, so that's this way, what do men
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: do at this point? And yes, the problem is women,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: The problem.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Is, well, I don't think I mean the problem is
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: also this woman, because I think she just doesn't want
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: men and women pair bonding. So she's not she doesn't
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: want to solve this problem. She doesn't think it is
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a problem. She only thinks that it's a problem that
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: men are trying. That's what I think the problem is
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: is that men are like trying, you know, to figure
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: out the best way. She doesn't think that they should,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and she only looks at much. I mean, she literally
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: said at the beginning that the only exposure she had
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: to this was the feminist perspective on it. So she
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: let me see if I can find it here. Because
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: she said this earlier. Let's say I knew the red
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: pill script already from a front feminist lens, the endless
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: rants about hypergamy, sexual market value, feminism as the root
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of male suffering. So she doesn't even really know what
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the actual male perspective is. She doesn't she doesn't care, no,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: so she's.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It's basically just going to be a negative space, like
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: a negative mold, like a reverse mold of whatever she
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: needs men to be to support her flawed psychological thinking.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: It's it's cult thinking. I'm getting a whole bunch of
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: her stuff. I'm gonna run it through. Punished Claude to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: say about this, yeah, vicious, I love it.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Let me uh, I got a couple of rumble rants,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: but go ahead and finish.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I've actually trained an Ai not to please Holy Man.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Like I like, I'm like, okay, Claude, we're gonna punish
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: claud We're gonna we're gonna look at something and you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: like five hours later, Jesus, it's like wrestling and ended conda.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Now to get to get it, to get it, to
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to establish something, which is great because that's exactly why
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: the way you want it to be. You want to
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: have a devil's advocate, not something that sucks your ass.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: But anyway, continue, Yeah, so I got a couple of
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: rumble rants here from Nova fan. Thank you. Nova Fan
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: gives us a dollar for each one. The first one says,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I love how her attitude towards society mirrors the rejection
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of writing down the correct answers on a test. Imagine
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: having the correct answers fall on your lap and saying
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: no to a free A plus. Yeah, Well she doesn't
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: like the answer, so she's like, that can't be true
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: because I don't like it. Then he says, notice how
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: close the feminist gets to agreeing with the manisphere society
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: functions when women submit to her husband. But that has
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: been verifiably successful, so US feminists will reject success. Well,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: she hasn't really gotten into what it is exactly that
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: she agrees with. But we're gonna see if she actually
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: lands somewhere or is this another one of these female
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: screeds which is a conversation about a conversation about a conversation.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So she says, I think the system is much bigger
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: than that and much less convenient to blame. Will she
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: name the actual blame? Let's find out. Take the concept
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of value, red pill, truth about it. Women have inherent
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: value youth looks the ability to create life, but men's
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: started zero, forced to earn saddus muscle and money just
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to register on the radar. And if I'm being honest,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I agree with the core of that idea that asymmetry
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: is real. Women do have a biological advantage that men lack.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: They get to select who to procreate with and whose
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: genes get to be kept on. But the interpretation is
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: where it breaks. Okay, so do you want to say
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: anything to that before she gives us why this is broken?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: This argument, even though she agrees with the premise, I think.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: That, Uh, I think this premise is overstated. Women aren't
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: going to go anywhere without men, the human women just
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: it's it's biologically impossible.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, human. I think the red pill guys say that
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a lot as a way to motivate guys.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's but again, yeah, you can say whatever
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: you want as a red pill guy. Uh, selling you
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: know how to how to handstand your way into Alman's
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: heart or whatever what they were pants? But again, the
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: ultimate substrate reality is, or fundamental fundamental reality is that
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: our society is not producing marriageable women. And uh, part
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: of the the big part of the reason is because
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: it doesn't. There's it's too comfortable, just not hitting that
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: endocrine event that makes women jump out of being juvenile.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And unfortunately for our species, men tend to just arrive
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: a lot more formed, shall we say. But my overall
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: point is that men are not expendable like I think
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: we take we sort of follow ginocentrism off a cliff.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: A lot of ways. Men are absolutely critical and the
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: way men think is the only way a human society functions.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Our society doesn't function, don't people know? If people realize
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: that we are coasting on the fumes of previous generations
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in a way way that is actually it's sort of horrifying,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: but also, you know, a little bit like comforting in
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: a way, because you got all these people who are like, oh,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: these these dude dystopias of surveillance and AI dystopia's. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: they're never gonna be able to cash that check. Like
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Sam Altman is not going to be able to finally
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: unite with the Grand World AI in a in a
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: very conjugal sense like that's just not gonna happen for him.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen for any of them. They just
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: there's not enough foundation left for them to cash these checks.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: So you don't need to worry about that, but you
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: just sort of have to worry about what happens after
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that is exposed, and not too much either, because honestly,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: men'll just step in and fix it. You'll just start
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: creating regional economies like local economies, we'll start building stuff,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: we'll start doing what men have done throughout all human
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: all human history, and then the existential crisis of whatever
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: happens will finally get women activated. So it's probably gonna
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: be okay in the long term for all of us.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: We're gonna be fine. But that's because of men and
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: the value that they bring to the human race. Like
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the solution is going to be men. Yeah, it usually is,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: but it's not. It's like there's a I want to
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: qualify that. It's not going to because men lived up
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to something. It's gonna because what they are, if that
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: makes sense, mm hmm. It's it is something inherent. It's
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: like you put guys on a desert island and they've
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: already constructed like a functioning camp within a few days.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: It's that kind of thing, even if they've been raised
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: by single mothers, you know, even if they've been raised
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: by I don't lesbian separatists, that the the inherent architecture
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: just sort of like flips out like transformer and then
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: they become what they were meant to be. You just remove,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: you remove, Like what I'm saying, it's not men living
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: up to something it's men having something removed so that
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: they can actually become what they are and what they're
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: what's removed is the entire superstructure, the fat bird that
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: I talk about, the financialization, the constant having to attend
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: to the relational web in order to keep your job.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: That constant like resistance to just doing what men do, begone.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Men will do what they do and everything will be fine.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: All right, all right, thank you for the rumble, rants
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Nova fan h. Let's get back into the article. So,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: so the interpretation is where it breaks because instead of
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: questioning the system, both sides end up reinforcing it. Women
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: learn to package themselves better, men learn to optimize themselves harder.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: No one steps outside the logic. Everyone just becomes a
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: better product.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: What was that now, Well, she's actually sort of getting
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: it a little.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what she means by the system
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that's being That should be questioned, though, like the current
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: state of things should be questioned. But maybe when I
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: don't know if she means like where we are now
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: or what we had when we were doing well, you know,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: because she probably wouldn't think, like if you believe that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: women were oppressed throughout history, like literally one hundred or
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: so years.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Ago, maybe one hundred or so years ago.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: If you believe that, then you probably think the system's
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: always been broken. So I don't know what she's referring
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to when she says that, but I do think that
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the wing things as they are now should definitely be questioned.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: And that's what we do here, That's what this channel does.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Honey Badger Radio. But I have a feeling
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: that she wouldn't agree with us, so, but anyway, let's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: find out. And then both sides resent each other for
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: playing the game well. Women get called manipulative for using
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the tools available to them. Men get called inadequate for
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: not measuring up to the same system. Meanwhile, the structure
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: stays itself, stays intact. That's the part that feels almost engineered.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: They keep both sides busy competing, make sure they never
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: compare notes, so they don't see who's really benefits from
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: the system, And it's not either of us. Who is it?
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Tell us who's the they? Who is this they that's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: doing this? H Do you want to say anything to that?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Or should I keep going? I have a feeling she's.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Not gonna name name, but oh, what we do is patriarchy.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that's what it's going to be.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Patriarchy too, patriarchy, capitalism, colonialism, western culture, whiteness, it's gonna
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: be one of those things.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It's patriarchy that sets the the kerriarchy, the patriarchy that
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: sets the dating standard for men. You thought it was women.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Oh no, it's patriarchy. And for some reason, patriarchy over
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the last couple of generations has increased the dating standard
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: for men. No, it used to be I don't know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: but average man was good enough. But now it's like, nope,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: you've got to be in the top. What twenty ten
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: five percent keeps going up. That's patriarchy, guys.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, mm hmm.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: You should have a you should have a conversation with patriarchy.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: You know, I hear that he's I hear he exists
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: in the North Pole, or something has a bunch of reindeer.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Let's keep going, all right, So, yes, there are things.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I'll take the instinct that something is broken, the refusal
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to blindly follow scripts, the desire to understand how things
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: actually work. But I'm not interested in replacing one distorted
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: view with another. I'm not interested in a worldview that
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: requires reducing half the population to function. See she's obviously
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: saying it's still a Feminism is the solution. If there's
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: a pill worth taking, it's not the one that tells
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you who to blame. It's the one that makes the
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: structure visible so that we can reject it to the core.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Still not going to get an answer on this, We're
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: just sort of feeling it out. So here's the realization
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that hit me post documentary, sharp as glass. Red pill
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: doesn't escape the matrix, it colonizes it what they feel.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: The cage rage at the bars then learned to be
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the best rats in the maze, nipping at anyone who
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: won't race Feminism hears the same rattle and grabs the dynamite.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: The overlap isn't an accident. It's two rats screaming from
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: the same trap, diverging because one hoards the ladder while
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: the other kicks it over for everyone. True freedom doesn't
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: master the maze. It levels it flat so that no
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: one has to run. That's the end. I hope you
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: enjoy the story, support me by clapping what so that
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you don't tell me anything except I mean, okay, feminism
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: is the solution, and it sounds like burn it all down.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what I'm getting is what we have
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to do is burn it all down, which is very
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: easy for a woman who works in like the arts
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and basically just post pictures of herself. This is her
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: raging against the machine guys with her iPhone nine or whatever. Yeah,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: so that was the article that was short, But I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: mean that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Was it okay? So I asked, I got I sent
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: through a lot of her corpus and I asked punished
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Claude to explain to me what it is she means
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: by the structure and across it. It's the structure of
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: the system patriarchy, and it functions as a placeholder police hold.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Her noun invoked, never specified. So we're never going to
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: actually clarify what what it is. We certainly aren't gonna
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: reduce it down to a behavior because then we might
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: actually be able to do something. And I think what
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: she's the problem that she has with the red pill,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: you know, so quote unquote colonizing the matrix is a
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: general aversion to actually doing anything aside from signaling to
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: the web. All right, so it stays her her Boogeyman
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: stays maximally abstract. The closest she comes is a system
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that wasn't designed for our benefit and doesn't care about
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: as his individuals. It's not a definition, it's a feeling.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: No mechanism, no actors, no operations, no exit conditions. That's
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: the big thing. Feminists never have an exit condition of
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: the horrible oppression that everybody is inflicting on women. It
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: absorbs whatever is convenient. In the red pull piece, it's
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: the dating market plus scripts and beasts and me. It's
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: male power plus institutional protection. In the Holiday's piece, it's
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: invisible labor norms. In the self health piece, it's economic dependence,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: legal vulnerability, unpaid labor. The reference shifts essay to essay.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: The word does not it excludes men by design. In
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: the slot machine piece, she explicitly says male entitlement is structural,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: which lets her aim at the category while preserving the
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: more I'm not talking about anyone in particular. Same operation
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: and the grace and peace. And then the mom piece.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: So you can find these pieces in her in her
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: of war or her corpus her CV, whatever you want
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: to call it. Her like list of things that she
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: writes about you can't point at this when she gets
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: close father's, schools, peer groups, media institutions. She's listing everything,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: which is functionally the same as listing nothing. Ah ah
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: uh ah. Now father's is not listing nothing. Although you
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: really can't do anything about it, I guess, I mean
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: you can go to war against fatherhood. That has not
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: been very effective. The strategic value of leaving it undefined
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: is what the moral circle framework predicts. A name structure
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: could be debated, audited, or addressed, and unnamed one stays
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: a permanent, legitimate target for hostility and a permanent reason
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: no individual woman owes anything to any individual man. It
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: is the maximal outgroup with no edges. So essentially she's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: doing this moral circle thing. She's creating this really abstract
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: system and then she situating herself as positive within it,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: and it's like an it's like an infinite like she
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: can withdraw for anything. So she feels like she's doing
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: invisible labor in the holidays. It's the system. It's not
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: her own choices, right. She feels like she has to
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know what she would have to do in
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the dating scene, she has to do anything in the
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: dating scene. You know that's again appression.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Can I share some information? So I was looking around
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: her website, okay, and I got there's stuff I just
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: got to share. So she has a YouTube channel called
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Hello nw Me and it is all about a bold
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: approach to life after divorce.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah I already knew that part.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: And yeah, but there's more I want to get into
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the description. In twenty twenty four, after finalizing my divorce
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: and moving back to my hometown, Tel Aviv, I face
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: yet another challenge, reinventing myself once again in my late thirties.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: Then it hit me. Reinvention isn't just something I've done.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: It's what I do best. From international moves to career pivots,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: motherhood and divorce. I've rebuilt my life more time than
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: I can count. It's my superpower. Yeah. And then so,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like her website is all about or her YouTube channel,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Hello Knew Me is a strategic rebuilding system for women
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: after separation or divorce. So I think she's trying to
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: make divorce cool. And this is her YouTube channel. There,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: here's a little bit of her opening screed here.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: All right, so, oh do you want to play that?
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, it's not let me see, I gotta
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I gotta stop sharing and then reshare it so that
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: it plays the audio. So sorry about that, all right,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: just real quick as thirty seconds, Okay, let's play.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Raise a finger if you're a woman, Raise a finger.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: If you're contemplating divorce or going through spiration and divorce.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: Raise your finger.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: If you want to.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Live a life of intent and proactivity instead of reactivity.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Raise your finger. If you're ready to start your new
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: chapter and make it the best yet. And raise your
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: finger if you're ready to put yourself on a first
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: priority and make your life amazing.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: And raise your finger if you need to eat some
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: meat so you don't look like you're undead.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm sorry, but like I'm just saying, this is
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: like taking dieting advice from a six hundred pound you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like person, because she is talking about relationships and she
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: is divorced. She thinks that it's a good thing that
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: she is. Uh yeah, it's And of course I would
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: imagine that if you were just like person, a person
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that was just like curious and you were just on
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the internet looking at this stuff. Oh yeah, then then
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: how many scravices she have on this channel only three
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: seven five, so not massive, no, but uh yeah, I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: mean this is like I kind of hate this shit
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: because it's sort of did She's like part of the problem.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, part of the problem, you know.
• 51:15
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• 51:18
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• 51:20
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• 51:24
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• 52:11
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• 52:15
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• 52:18
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• 52:20
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• 52:24
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• 52:28
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• 52:31
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• 52:35
  Speaker 2: impossible to shift. But for me, one of the things
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: that doing this has done is it's given me a
• 52:41
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• 52:45
  Speaker 2: chaos and the noise around me and realize that it
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: is just noise. Like that, the truth is that the
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: solution is each other. It's fixing these relationships. It's improving
• 52:59
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• 53:04
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• 53:09
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• 53:13
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• 53:16
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• 53:22
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• 53:27
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• 53:29
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• 53:31
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• 53:36
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• 53:38
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• 53:39
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• 53:44
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• 53:47
  Speaker 2: if men go back to what they do and the
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: clarity that they bring to the world that we're gonna
• 53:54
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• 53:59
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• 54:05
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• 54:08
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• 54:12
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• 54:15
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• 54:19
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• 54:23
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• 54:43
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• 54:47
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• 54:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I know that's a radical thought, but it's the truth.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: And I think women are a lot happier when they
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: realize that, and when they realize things like they kick
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: out the feminism that makes them think that being in
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: a relationship with a man is being consumed and it isn't.
• 55:09
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• 55:13
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• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, back to your punished Claude thing.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So what does she mean by red
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: pill colonizes the matrix. She means it as a closing
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: rhetorical move, and it doesn't cohere. Her stated argument. Red
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: pillars see the cage and then optimize within it, learn
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: to be the best rats in the maze Feminism her
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: side sees the same cage and grabs the dynamite to
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: blow it up. Same diagnosis, different response. Men hoard the ladder,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: women kick it over. For everyone that that a visual
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: doesn't quite work, because if you kick over a ladder,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: nobody can use it.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Nobody. Well, no, actually it does work, because that is
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: what feminism is. It's like all these other progressive causes.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: It's basically making everybody, you know, everybody poorer in whatever way, spiritually, materially,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: because that way you get to equality. That's the only
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: ways you basically make everybody's life shit and then we're
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: all equal. So yeah, no, it's it's it actually does
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: it does work.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Therefore, feminism is liberation. Red pill is just better participation
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: in the system. We'll call it the matrix is doing
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: ret rhetorically, it's a matrix film call back. Yes, we know,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: punish Claude. The red pill is supposed to wake you
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: up from the system. She's saying it doesn't. It just
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: makes you a more effective inhabitant of it. The metaphor
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: positions her own framework as the only real exit where
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: it breaks. The claim requires that feminism actually levels the
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: structure rather than restructuring it. I don't even think it
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: restructures it. It supports the current structure, the rules for
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: So they just want to have a different group on top.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: So the dynamite line is bullshit. All they want to
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: do is restructure so there and not even restructure. So
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: feminists are on top because feminists are already not I
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: want to say on top, but definitely providing a significant
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: service to the people who are on top. So they're
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: getting plenty of kickbacks for that. So they're not dynamiting anything,
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: and they're not even restructuring anything. So Colonize the matrix
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: allows her to concede that the red pillars are correctly,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: correctly perceived the situation, which she's done already done across
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: the essay. So this is the maneuver that I've identified
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: years and years and years ago. They completely concede everything right,
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: and then they do a whole sophist dance on how
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: that doesn't matter we've conceded the operative reality. The red
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: pillars are right, but they're still wrong while denying that
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: they have any legitimate response to it perception without permission
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: to act on it. The matrix colonization line is what
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: makes her concessions safe. She's granted the diagnosis but reserved
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: the only exit door for her framework. All right, So,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: but the thing is that, and this is another thing
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: that I've talked to feminists about. They don't have an
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: exit strategy. Their only strategy with this horrible oppressive patriarchy
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: is apparently to antagonize the patriarchs that they say will
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: kill you for antagonizing them, and to be increasing strident
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: and bitchy. They don't have any they don't have there's
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: no underground feminist railroad, right, there's no railroad.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: To get us out of a matrix.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: No, there's nothing.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Well, they're still appealing to men to like tear down
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: the system. Ultimately, that's what they want.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: They're not exiting this idea that ultimately they have to
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: appeal to men for any anything, right, So the only
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: thing they offer is a framework for appealing to men.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, I mean, at that point, why
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: would I use your framework, right, You're not changing anything,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: You're not offering any exit. So what does your framework
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: actually offer? It's just it's just a way of appealing
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: to men. Well, the only men that you really appeal
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: to are apex predators who are constructing an you know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: an economic annihilation. All right, So why would I even
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: want to be part of that? All right? So the
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: other thing I asked is what is the effect of
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: what she's doing in terms of all always deflecting onto
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: this We live in a society, Okay, So unfalsifiability, no
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: counter example sticks if you challenge the labor claim, So
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: that's the labor, like the unpaid labor of women at
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: the holidays. The structure was actually about violence. If you
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: challenge the violence claim, it was about scripts. The reference
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: migrates to wherever the argument is currently strongest. You can
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: never disprove a thing that isn't fixed in place. So
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: this is what it's like, you know, arguing with a
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: freaking web. You know it just like it moves to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: another part of itself and then just launches a new
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: attack from that vector. I think everybody knows what I'm
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: talking about. You've experienced that universal applicability. Any female. A
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: grievance can be filed under IT. Bad date, mediocre brother,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: postpartum depression, x's affair, dishwater, dishwasher, anxiety. All get the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: same structural diagnosis. The framework explains everything, which it means.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: It explains nothing in particular. It functions as a sorting bin,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: not an analysis, and it also does coalitional assembly across
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: incompatible complaints. A reader whose grievance is unequal housework and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: a reader whose grievance is sexual violence are reading the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: same piece about the same structure. Concretely, those are different
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: problems with different mechanisms and different solutions. Keeping the noun vague,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: lets both readers feel addressed. Oh my god, Brian, they
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: feel seen. Yes, yes, feeling seen, which is what holds
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: the audience together. Permanent legitimate hostility. Target specific causes can
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: be addressed and crossed off. An unfixable, abstract noun cannot be.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: The pipeline keeps producing content because the target keeps regenerating.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Every new complaint is more evidence of the same undefined thing.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: It forecloses operative response, so it forecloses a response like
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: that response, like let's remove the nail. Let's let's solve
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: the problem. If you can act against a specific person, policy,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: or condition, you cannot act against the structure. This pushes
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: punish or sorry. This pushes the reader from operative mode?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: What do I do about the specific situation? Into reading mode?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: What does this mean about the system? Reading mode produces
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: more content consumption, more newsletter sign ups, more coarse purchases.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Operative mode would terminate the relationship once the reader solved
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: her problem. She'd leave audit immunity for the writer because
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the referent shifts, her own conduct never has to be
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: measured against it. She left a marriage where she was
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: a present, accommodating partner whose ex left with someone new.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: That's a story about a specific man's choice. Also seems
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: very convenient routed through the structure, it becomes a story
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: about patriarchy. The specific man is now an instance, not
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: an actor. She doesn't have to ask what she contributed
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: to that specific marriage, because the structural frame makes it
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: categorically unnecessary. The cumulative effect a noun that does heavy
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: lifting precisely because it does no work. Oh, punished clad,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: He's so sassy, And I asked if she needs a
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: pervasive scapegoat to constantly deflect, blame on her on for
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: her life choices and life circumstances. Is she a happy person?
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: And this this speaks to what Brian was talking about.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Why would you ask a man who's or a person
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: who's six hundred pounds dieting advice? This woman looks like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: she needs blood transfusion. She looks like nothing makes her happy,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: and she's in the wreckage of a relationship. And I'd
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: like to appoint people to that. There was this recent
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: video that I saw, like the short Wear. A guy
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: in a truck was saying, if a man leaves you, ladies,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: there's something seriously wrong with you. And he's right, like
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: there are so many men if staying is in any
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: way tolerable, they will live a life of quiet misery
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: with a completely oblivious rhino who has no idea what
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: bullshit of hers she's he's accommodating. Like. They'll swallow all
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: kinds of stuff. And it's partly like I think biological
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: men have this this custodial monitoring that just constantly fires,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: so they swallow stuff, way too much stuff. I'm you know,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I'm partly here to say, you know, don't swallow so much.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: But but if if they can survive it, they will.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: So a woman has to be one hell of a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: psycho host beast for the average man to leave her.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, what's happening here? Why did your ex
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: leave you?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Hmm yeah, Oh dude, I'm I yeah, I think that guy.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a shame that they are there. There's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: a daughter involved. I saw it on her TikTok. So
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: that's a shame. That's that's a real shame. But man,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: that guy dodged a bullet. It's funny she had a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: daughter with a man, and now she's like gay and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: living in the one of the gayest cities in the world,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: which is like the San Francisco of the Middle East,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Tel Aviv. I'm just saying she like really leaned into
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: the new identity, like all the way.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: It's because she's gay. That means she retroactively rejects her husband.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, that's right, it's all it's a revolutionary act.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay. The pipeline requires sustained dissatisfaction. Her product
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: line is divorce recovery. If she reached a settled, contented baseline,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: there'd be nothing to write from and nothing to sell.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: The business model is I'm still figuring this out alongside you.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: This requires the figuring out never to finish, and considering
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: that she's chosen the lesbian option, the figuring out is
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: just going to get worse. But she'll never be able
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: to articulate that. Like if she ends up in a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: relationship with a woman who starts to use her as
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: a punching bag, and then they get divorced after six months,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: and it's made really difficult because the woman then starts
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: stalking her or something. She's not going to talk about that.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: The self reports surgery, anxiety, broken sleep. The day she
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: hadn't done anything by two point thirty pm and cried.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: The Friday she nearly skipped her newsletter. The low Days,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: the chest tightening, and a question on a date, The twenty
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: four hour spiral after the hot Men delayed a text.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: The years of chron Wait wait, I thought she was
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: a lesbian.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: She's queer, Allison, it's different the years of Chronicle Tea.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: It's elevated lesbians. That's so like twenty ten. We're all
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: queer now.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: The two full years of unsafe feeling, the loneliness. Re
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: establishing community took nearly two years. This is not the
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: somatic profile of a contented person. It's someone who's nervous
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: day system stays activated. I'm guessing that her focus isn't
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: helping because if she's constantly using some vague we live
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: in a society to excuse her own choices, she's never
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: establishing that baseline, like that eternal locus of control, and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: you can overdo it an internal locus of control, but
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: she doesn't have any right. If everything bad is deflected
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: onto the patriarchy, then she has absolutely no control over anything.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: The brother essay is the tell she names exactly what
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: she's missing, being met, being asked about sustained curiosity from
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: someone who knows her. She locates it in her brother.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: The corpus suggests she doesn't have it elsewhere either. The
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: hot man wasn't curious, the ex wasn't The family doesn't
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: get it. The friendships took years to rebuild. The thing
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: she most articulately wants is the thing she most consistently
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: reports not having. I now I just feel bad like
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: this is This is obviously somebody whose life is cratered.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: But again, you know, don't take dieting advice from a
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: six hundred pound man. Guys, women are taking advice from
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: this woman, like what what is with that? It's like
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: women will go will be like, oh, well, I don't
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: want to take advice from a woman who's had a
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: thirty five year marriage. Who do that? And then they
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: just like go past all of the women who've had
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: long term relationships and you know, and they're still they're
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: still with their partner, and still they're still enjoying life
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: with them, you know, decades in and they just they
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: just like they navigate through like I don't know, like
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: a ferret through a labyrinth, just like doing the twisting
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Parkore to get away from these women.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: And land on the forty nine year old divorcee who
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: hates her life and can't even live it without deflecting
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: blame onto nameless like just vague nouns that she pulls
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: out of a hat. She has like a freaking wheel
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: of fortune wheel and she just throws a dart. Oh
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: that's that's the noun. That's that's persecuting me today. And
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: they'd land on this woman and they're like go to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: her their knees in front of them, and say, how
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: can you help me improve my life? A woman of
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: utter misery and the woman of utter misries like, yeah,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: I can totally do that. I can totally give you
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: advice to make your life as miserable as mine is.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: Why do women do this?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Like they go, they leave, They do not take advice
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: from anybody who is demonstratedly one at anything, and they
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: go to the biggest losers.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: It's making. It's how women sexually compete even when they're losing.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: They feel good knowing other people are as miserable as
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: they are. It's mate suppression, I think. And that, yeah,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I tell it's it's I mean, it's like one of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: those drives that needs to be stamped out for sure.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: But I think that's all it is, is like women
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: intentionally giving other women really bad advice while acting like
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: they really care, and then they watch their lives implode
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: and they get to say, well, she took my advice,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: Like it means you know, I'm important because people listen
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: to me and they want to hear what I have
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: to say, and they and they hang on my words
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: and they want to, you know, basically obey me. It's
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: like a feeling of like you did what I suggested,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: and now I'm going to watch everything fall apart and
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well you did that. I don't know
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: they get something out of it. It's sick, but it's true.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: I mean they need to be women need to be taught,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: I think, how to be able to use their social
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: skills too, but like to help people. But they have
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: to desire the best for them, and I think that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: they don't. I don't think there's any incentive for that.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: And think about it like this too. If you are
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: high in neuroticism and you think that, you know, like
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: there's only so many resources in the world, like all
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: things are finite. Value itself is finite, then that means
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: that there's a bunch of other women that are all
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: trying to get the same stuff. So if you can't
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: get it, like if you're gonna try and like basically
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: improve your odds. So they sabotage other women with quote
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: unquote good advice, but when they are also struggling, they
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: want everyone else to be struggling too. If I can't
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: have it, nobody can. And I think that that's whether
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: she knows it or not. I think it could be unconscious,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: but I think that's what it is because that's what
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: manifestell does. She gives like terrible advice to women that
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: she doesn't take. That's what Briartclaire does. Right, She's married
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: to a man, but she's telling other women out to
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: get married. Why did she do that? She doesn't even
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: need any other men. She just wants to put herself
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: above other women by being the one. Like a lot
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: of these big feminists from the sixties are married and
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: they have kids, and they're basically telling women that marriage
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: is slavery. Why would they do that. I can only
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: imagine it's mate suppression. Like they're trying even if they're
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: not competing with them, they just want to be top
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: the top bitch. I don't know, that's what I think anyway.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: It's yeah, intersexual competition, even if they're not trying to get,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: you know, the man that these other women are are with.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: They just don't like that those women are happy. I mean,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: there's like fairy tales about that, you know, there's like
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: Bible stories about that. It's an old, old thing, you know,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: it's it's very old. Sorry, my daughter, Yeah, yeah, I was.
• 1:12:57
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  Speaker 2: So I can I have a little bit more to say?
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  Speaker 2: And then maybe, uh wait, can you hear me?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I can hear you? Go ahead?
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  Speaker 2: All right? So okay, so I got through the self reports.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: This is not the profile of a content person, that
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: someone whose nervous system stays activated. The brother essay is
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: the tell she names exactly what she's missing, being met,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: being asked about, et cetera. And I'm gonna actually ask
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: is she happy with her brother? The scapegoat functioning function
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: is load bearing Without the structure, the questions become, why
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: did the marriage actually end? Why did what did she contribute?
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  Speaker 2: Why does intimacy keep producing nervous system crises? Why does
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: every relationship come up short of what she wants? These
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: are answerable but painful questions. The structural frame lets her
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: stay in motion without sitting with any of them. That's
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: not happiness. It's a sustainable avoidance loop. I don't even
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: know if it's sustainable. It's just an avoidance loop. Okay.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: The harmonica piece is the contrast case. It's the only
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: essay where she sounds genuinely okay. No grievance, no funnel,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: no strike, structural diagnosis, just an object she's enjoying for
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: its own sake. It's also the shortest distance she travels
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: from operative engagement before pivoting back to meaning starting over
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: after divorce isn't something you push through. She can touch
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: contentment briefly, the framework pulls her back's that's the thing
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: that people, women in particular need to realize. This framework
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: is destroying your mental health. The architecture produces engagement, productivity,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: audience growth, and a coherent identity. It does not produce happiness.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: People who are happy do not need a permanent enemy
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: to organize their lives around. Now, I want to point
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: out that that's not what red pillars are doing. They're
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: not creating women as a permanent enemy to organize their
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: lives around. They look at women as a goal that
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: they want to organize their lives towards. There's a big
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: difference there, would you agree.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: And most of the guys who take the pills advice
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: on they're not looking for a harem. They're looking for
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: a single person they're looking to pair bond with someone,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: and they're looking to improve their life because they lacked.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: They didn't get a lot of support as boys growing up.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: So you know, in that documentary that she sees, she
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to remember the part of the film which
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: comes up about two times where these two guys who
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: like basically were homeless for a while had to like
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: fight really hard to like make them something of themselves.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: And they were basically saying, look, no one is gonna
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: help us, and that's just the truth. No one is
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: coming to save men. They have to like get you know,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: they have to figure it out on their own. And
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: that's what they that's what these red pill guys gave them. Now,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: I'm not I don't agree with the red pill guys
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and on a number of things, but I'm not gonna
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: misrepresent them, you know, their positions, which is what she did.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: So yes, and even the big red pill guys, I
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: doubt that they're doing as well as they say because remember,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: they're selling something, so they have to make it look
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: like they're doing better than they actually are, otherwise nobody's
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: gonna buy their product. So there's also that.
• 1:19:09
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  Speaker 1: And he says, are you guys talking about the recent
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  Speaker 1: base camp video that came out this morning about all
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  Speaker 1: these female supremacist influencers who are getting married they say
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  Speaker 1: fuck men but still marry them, usually billionaires. Uh no,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't watch that, but I mean we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about that, like on the show, we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: that many times that, yes, women will I think that
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  Speaker 1: they engage in a kind of sexual competition that appears
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  Speaker 1: because again, this is what I think. Okay, it's my
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's conscious. I don't think they're doing
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  Speaker 1: it on purpose, but I think sometimes they are, But
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  Speaker 1: like what they do is they say, I'm trying to
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  Speaker 1: win at life and there's only so many men, and
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  Speaker 1: like there's actually fewer now because women are only looking
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  Speaker 1: at the top one percent of men, And so how
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  Speaker 1: do I, like, basically, how do I game the system
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  Speaker 1: to where I have the best chance at the one percent? Guys? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give really bad advice to other women because they
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  Speaker 1: got to do this while also not looking like a bitch,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: because you know, there's that part of women that wants
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  Speaker 1: to stay like maintain their place in the social web,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: as AlSi says, like wanting to favor No, don't become
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: a target, right, so you basically instead you basically say, oh,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: this is coming from a place of love, this is
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  Speaker 1: what I offer you. And you know women will ape
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: that and say, well that you know she's doing it,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it too, especially if they're a higher status.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised that that's going on. But it's
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  Speaker 1: interesting that base Camp talked about the exact same thing today.
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  Speaker 1: So but we've been talking about this a lot, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for that, Gary Thomas. Then NOBA fan
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  Speaker 1: gives us a dollar and says, on rumble and says,
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  Speaker 1: I think I already know the feminist response to this,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: but I wonder how she sees MiG Tau in her
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: rats in amaze metaphor does she see it as the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: patriarchy tricking women to get back in the kitchen? She
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: probably lumps in Look the MANI sphere, as these people
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  Speaker 1: say it, it includes everybody from fucking you know grapers
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  Speaker 1: like Damn Bill Bilsarian to Joe Rogan, to Steven Crowder
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  Speaker 1: to Andrew Wilson to men's rights activists and Mike taw guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like anybody who disagrees with feminism or like
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  Speaker 1: the modern the or just modernity, even just modernity. Charlie
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  Speaker 1: Kirk counted, you know, he's mana spare or was, So
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a yes. She basically hates them too, because
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Micktowle's interesting too, because it's like, you know, these are
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  Speaker 1: guys that are literally like just stepping out of the way,
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  Speaker 1: and so they're as much of a threat as in
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: cells are, which is to say not at all. But
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  Speaker 1: feminists hate them anyway because they they're not whatever whatever reason,
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  Speaker 1: they're not like participating in the system.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, and I just want to point out that.
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  Speaker 2: But I think in twenty twenty three, I went on
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  Speaker 2: a podcast like when Pearl was doing her secondary channel
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: where she was doing like podcasts with red Pill and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: the Audacity Network. I don't know what happened with it,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: but I went on a couple times. I think the
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  Speaker 2: second one never came of anything, but the first one
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: I went on, I remember pointing out that a lot
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff is competition between women, and I got
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  Speaker 2: I got some serious like because nobody was talking about
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: that at that time, I don't think, and they like
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: I got into a bit of an argument with one
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: of the panelists was like, no, that's not what it is,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: and I was like, I think it is. I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of this is women competing with other women,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: intersectional competition with women, and it's just interesting how that's
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: ended up going into the Noah sphere and has propagated
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: so much since then. And then the other thing that's
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: interesting is recently another content creator is talking about the
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: waterline test and that's something we were talking about. I've
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: been talking about for I think a year now, so
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: it's you know, come here, come to Honey Badger Radio
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  Speaker 2: to find these things out first. Yeah, we get there
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  Speaker 2: before anybody else. Fortunately, that means we're on the bleeding edge,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: not the not the uh, the bleeding edge, the bleeding edge,
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  Speaker 2: all right, And speaking of the bleeding edge, please go
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  Speaker 2: to feed the Badger dot com slash support. We are
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: getting closer. So we're at six hundred and forty. Let
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  Speaker 2: me see if there's any additional no, so please somebody
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  Speaker 2: go and put in five dollars, ten dollars, whatever you
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: have to help us out for the month. And I
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  Speaker 2: will read a bit more of my analysis of this
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  Speaker 2: woman because I think she uh, she's definitely she's definitely
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  Speaker 2: not an outlier. I'll put it that way. Okay, So
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: is she happy with her brother? And the answer is no,
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  Speaker 2: And that essay is the one place she lets it
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  Speaker 2: be visible without the structural overlay doing the cleanup work.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: She wanted closeness, she didn't get it. She disappears next
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  Speaker 2: to him. She'd be smaller to help keep the interaction smooth.
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  Speaker 2: She waits for openings she doesn't get. She feels like
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  Speaker 2: the third wheel to her brother and a bartender. The
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  Speaker 2: almost moment on the sidewalk collapsed when he gave her
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  Speaker 2: unsolicited parenting advice. She walked away feeling not anger but
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: recognition that closeness can't be extracted from someone who can't
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  Speaker 2: co create it. So, in other words, she's blaming another
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  Speaker 2: person she doesn't okay, but she doesn't route it to
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  Speaker 2: the structure at least, but also doesn't rout it to herself.
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  Speaker 2: The thing she identifies in her brother, care without curiosity,
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  Speaker 2: performance instead of presence, talking past her is what she
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  Speaker 2: identifies in the X. He remembers it as wonderful while
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  Speaker 2: she was drowning. What he remembers it as wonderful while
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  Speaker 2: she was dr Her ex husband, who left her for
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: another woman, says she was wonderful. Wow, that is one
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  Speaker 2: hell of a polite X. It's not you, it's me.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I needed another woman. It's it's just a
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  Speaker 2: male thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: You know us men, we can't we can't, we can't
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  Speaker 2: stick with one woman. Not nothing to do with you.
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  Speaker 2: You were wonderful. H Uh. This is that's a that's ah,
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  Speaker 2: that is that's that's this is me doing a doubt
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  Speaker 2: in the hot man who is tender but not curious
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  Speaker 2: about me, and arguably in her parents who expected her
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  Speaker 2: to return to an older version of herself post divorce.
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  Speaker 2: The brother essay names the pattern. The corpus shows the
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  Speaker 2: pattern is her primary relational experience. She doesn't connect these
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  Speaker 2: two facts. Connecting them would require asking whether the common
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: element is her, whether she's selecting, for eliciting, or reading
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  Speaker 2: these relationships in a way that produces the same outcome.
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  Speaker 2: The structural frame exists partly to prevent that question. With
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  Speaker 2: patriarchy or male entitlement at the as the explanation, she
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have to look at the pattern across men in
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  Speaker 2: her life who aren't romantic partners and aren't strangers. Her
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  Speaker 2: own brother, who she's known her whole life, and who
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  Speaker 2: by her own account, simply doesn't ask her questions. So no,
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  Speaker 2: she's not happy with her brother. But the unhappiness in
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: that assaa is unusually clean, uncoded, undeflected. Sitting in the recognition,
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  Speaker 2: it reads like the closest she gets to actually facing
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  Speaker 2: what her life feels like from inside it. Wow, that's
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  Speaker 2: the other thing about relational web thinkers. They don't occupy
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  Speaker 2: their own lives. Yeah, it's actually sort of disturbing in
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: a way. But of course there's no diagnosis in what
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  Speaker 2: she's doing wrong, and the presumption is the person across
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  Speaker 2: from her exists to serve her needs. The diagnosis stays
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  Speaker 2: one directional throughout the brother piece catalogs what he failed
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  Speaker 2: to provide curiosity, follow up questions, sustained attention, space making, attunement.
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, that sounds exhausting. It doesn't ask what she
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  Speaker 2: brought to the table. Oh oh, Man punished, claud You
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  Speaker 2: just said.
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  Speaker 1: The ooh ooh you oh no.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no. What she was curious about regarding him? What
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  Speaker 2: questions she asked? Whether she made space for what he
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: wanted to talk about, which he explicitly registers as Cocktail's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: philosophy AI and dismisses his performance. So she's dismissing her
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: brother's interests and then being like, oh, he didn't take
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: interest in the things I'm interested in. His interests are performance.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Her interests would be connection. The asymmetry isn't argued. It's
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: assumed the frame across the corpus is consistent. The other
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  Speaker 2: person's job is to meet her hotman's job is to
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  Speaker 2: be curious. Brother's job is to ask follow ups. X
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  Speaker 2: job is to support her without needing support back and
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  Speaker 2: ways that compete with hers, the X still has a job. Dude,
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  Speaker 2: didn't you exit that job? Didn't you like, clean out
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  Speaker 2: your desk and run off with your I don't know
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Susan from accounting, Like, why are you still in the
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  Speaker 2: job with this woman? The man on the first date
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  Speaker 2: who asked, what are you looking for? Failed because he
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: was running his own evaluation instead of letting her run hers. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: good lord, good fucking lord. It's like you watch these
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  Speaker 2: women and they're all in search of a perfect thing
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't exist, like a person that has no person,
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  Speaker 2: that's just an exact inverse of everything they need and
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: every moment. The Grayson Ferguson piece is the cleanest example.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: She opened it explicitly expecting him to perform accountability for
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: her benefit, and when his essay served his own processing instead,
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: he became the next target. I need more information on
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: that one. More info please. This is the same operation
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: as the brother essay scaled across the corpus. The standing
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: position is that she is the legitimate evaluator and the
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: person across from her is the object being evaluated. Funny
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: how they always call men objectifying women. Curiosity equal safety
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: is the rule, she states, did this person make me
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  Speaker 2: feel safe by tending to me correctly? Is the test.
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  Speaker 2: Reciprocacity isn't on recip Reciprocity isn't on the table because
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  Speaker 2: the asymmetry isn't visible to her. It's the baseline assumption
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: of the entire framework. Is anybody surprised she expects what
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: she does not give. How many times have we heard
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: this and seen this? The brother piece nearly breaks through
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: because the relationship is non romantic in lifelong, which removes
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: some of the structural cover. But even there, the conclusion
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: she reaches you cannot extract closeness from someone who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to co create it. Huh, keeps the deficit
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  Speaker 2: on his side. Co creation is something he failed to do,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: whether she was co creating or whether she arrived expecting
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: him to deliver an interaction she already scripted, doesn't enter consideration.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: And then I asked, I probed punished Claude about her
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: saying that her ex said it was she was wonderful,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: And it responds with no, it goes through her corpus
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: like I'm just getting it to pick stuff out of
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: what she's saying. Uh no, And one of the it's
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: one of the clear so the fact that she says
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: that her ex says that their relationship was wonderful and
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: but she was drowning. And what's really interesting is she
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: says this when he was the one who exited the
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: relationship allegedly because of an affair. Of course, that's her reporting,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: so take it with a grain of salt. But she
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: he was the one who exited the relationship, yet she
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: was the one who was really rejecting him because she
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: was drowning, and she never actually left the relationship for
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: probably to make him feel better about himself, you know,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: if you get what I'm saying, Brian, Yeah, and it
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  Speaker 2: was wonderful for him. So she actually was the one
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: who rejected him in the relationship, even though he was
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: the one that left. She describes the postpartum period, unplanned
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: c section, baby who couldn't be put down, breastfeeding difficulties,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: postpartum depression, chronic pain from worse than scroliosis. Then she
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: says her ex took paternity leave and remembers that time
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: as wonderful, genuinely one of his favorite parenting memories. The
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  Speaker 2: sentence is offered as evidence of his failure, proof he
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: was oblivious, proof she was alone in it, but pars
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: what she actually wrote. He took paternity leave, he was
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: present enough to form vivid memories of the period. He
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: found early fatherhood meaningful enough to call it one of
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: his favorite parenting memories. Like that's the profile of a
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  Speaker 2: man who showed up, but of course because he enjoyed it.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: That his enjoyment was actually misery that he she that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: he inflicted on her because he wasn't miserable like she was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, oh god, yeah this is poor child.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, a dad, get this, Get your daughter away from
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: this woman before she turns it into like a a
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: clone of herself. Okay, man, okay, so this is the
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: same operation as the brother essay. The other person's interior
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: is illegitimate when it doesn't reflect hers back. His favorite
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  Speaker 2: parenting memory isn't allowed to be his. It has to
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: be retrospectively recoded as evidence of his oblivionous obliviousness to her.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: The reader is supposed to register wonderful is damning. It
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  Speaker 2: only reads that way if you already accepted that his
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  Speaker 2: job during that period was to feel what she was feeling,
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  Speaker 2: rather than to do what he was doing, which is
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: presumably take care of his child. You freaking believe that
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  Speaker 2: this this woman's a narcissist. I think this is the
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  Speaker 2: conclusion that we can come to here.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like that's overused, but I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: It is well not only apply to women.
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  Speaker 1: I think it applies in this case. Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. Should we keep going until we
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  Speaker 2: meet the target or six seventy we're at? We're still we.
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  Speaker 1: Can go a little bit longer fifteen minutes, I can
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  Speaker 1: go unless there's nothing else to say. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: have you have more written down there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a bit more we could go through.
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  Speaker 2: But I do want to remind everybody Feedbadger dot com
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  Speaker 2: slash support we haven't moved, so we still have a
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  Speaker 2: ways to go. Six on and forty five left. I
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: said six hundred and forty, but it's actually six hundred
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  Speaker 2: and forty five. I don't not sure what Timothy did,
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  Speaker 2: but I think he might have put like through a
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  Speaker 2: tip or something. But anyway, feed the Badger ut com
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  Speaker 2: slash support very much appreciated, if you'd help us out again,
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  Speaker 2: we still have a ways to go, like not too far.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's doable. Like if you guys all went
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  Speaker 2: and put in five dollars ten dollars, we'd be done.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we're at that point. Yeah, so please
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  Speaker 2: do go to feed the Badger dot com and put
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  Speaker 2: something in the hat, you know, everything. Every bit helps,
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  Speaker 2: five dollars, ten dollars, twenty five dollars. I think it's
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty doable, you know, and it would be a
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  Speaker 2: big help to us to make sure we can continue
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  Speaker 2: to do this work. And uh, make sure that the
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  Speaker 2: last word isn't the people who are gonna blame men,
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  Speaker 2: because that would suck. So feed the badger ut com
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  Speaker 2: Cand You can imagine that like the people who made
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  Speaker 2: all of these ridiculous demands on men and kept extracting
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  Speaker 2: more and more and more from them, well being complete
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  Speaker 2: ignorance of what they were actually demanding, they be have
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  Speaker 2: the last word. Yeah, over my dead body.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, nuts, it's fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So this is the Grayson Ferguson of peace, her
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  Speaker 2: stated approach, she said, he added, she she says. She
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  Speaker 2: added his piece I'm a man and I'm the problem
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  Speaker 2: to her read list, expecting a man writing about his
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: personal accountability and creating a world hostile to women. She
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: was excited. She planned to post a positive, supportive reply
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  Speaker 2: encouraging this kind of taking accountability as a man. Read
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  Speaker 2: what that sentence actually says. Before reading the essay, she
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  Speaker 2: had already determined what it should contain, what response it
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  Speaker 2: should produce in her, and what reward she should dispense
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: for compliance. The reading wasn't an encounter with another person's thinking.
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  Speaker 2: It was an inspection against a pre written speck the
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  Speaker 2: fail condition. His piece turned out to be about his
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: own loneliness, his own confusion, his own fear of being
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: seen as a threat, his own identity strain under shifting norms.
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  Speaker 2: She calls this a bait and switch and a shattered ego.
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  Speaker 2: She means it wasn't the document she ordered. And also
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: I noticed that she's using the term shattered ego as
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: an insult to the guy. I mean, I'm curious what
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  Speaker 2: this like. Maybe we should take a look at his piece.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, does he also have a blog or something?
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  Speaker 1: Find it?
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you.
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  Speaker 1: I'll put it on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: I can while I'm reading. Why don't you see if
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: you can find it? Well?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: What's this. Yeah, just give me something to look for,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm giving it to you right now.
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  Speaker 2: Just give me a second.
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  Speaker 1: I got another super chow in the meantime from anonymous
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  Speaker 1: Zapier means anonymous, uh for ten dollars and they say.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Danny Silkowski and doctor Debra So have in the
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  Speaker 1: last few months have talked about feminisms being primarily a
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  Speaker 1: pyiric female intersexual competition strategy favoring elite women. For some reason,
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  Speaker 1: women destroying themselves along with their competition is more useful
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: for women than it is for men. There you go.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not like I said, We've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about this for a while, but I'm glad. You know,
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  Speaker 1: years ago I was trying to get doctor Debrisso to
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: come on the show, but I never I never heard
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: from her. Back then, I was not banned on X
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: or hacked. I was doing okay, okay, So I'm a
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: man and I'm the problem.
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  Speaker 2: Grayson Ferguson, Oh shit, yes, and I will continue this
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: read and again we haven't moved. So please somebody put
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: ten fifty five ten bucks in the hat so I
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: can stop asking you to do this and we can
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  Speaker 2: get on with this so feed the badger dot colm
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  Speaker 1: It's on substack. Look yeah, substack.
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  Speaker 2: Are you able to access it? I look at it.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: No, No, I can get into substack. It's not a
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: big deal.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so feed the body dot com plex
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  Speaker 2: support guys five ten dollars so the very least I
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: can stop for a bit, go to it.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, all right, Grayson Ferguson, is this is this the X?
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: No, this is not the X. This is he wrote
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: a piece and she read the title and she was
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: expecting to get a piece, like a self flagellating feminist
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: ally ship piece out of it, and that's not what
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: he did. He actually, but I do have it. He
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: actually talked about about how he feels as a man, right,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: and so he was actually talking about his feelings, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the thing that men are supposed to People are supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be encouraging men to do so they don't commit suicide.
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  Speaker 2: But instead she was like, why is he talking about
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: his feelings and not my feelings? And then she got upset.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: All right, let me finish this off before we start. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: before reading the essay, she had already determined what it
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: should contain, what response it should produce in her, and
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: what reward she would dispense for compliance. The reading wasn't
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: an encounter with another person's thinking. It was an inspection
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: against a pre written spec The fail condition his piece
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  Speaker 2: turned out to be about his own loneliness, etc. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the document she ordered, so she called it a
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: bait and switch because it wasn't a document she ordered.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: But Grayson didn't title his piece how I Take accountability
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: for the patriarchy. He titled it I'm a man and
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: I'm the problem. Her own description of his essay is
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: that he's worried women silently perceive him as threatening, and
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: that he's grappling with male isolation, that he's anxious about
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: being lumped in with bad men. Is a man processing
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  Speaker 2: in public? Whether the processing is well done or badly done?
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: Is it's temperate question. I guess we'll find that out.
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  Speaker 2: The frame she imposes is that the processing is on
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: his own terms. Is the failure, because again, men shouldn't
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: have an internal world. Their internal world should just be
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: gears labeled with things women want. Because the legitimate use
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: of his platform was to perform the accountability she had
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: prescripted what the operation requires for her response to makes sense.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: The two conditions must hold simultaneously. A men should take accountability,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: and B the form of accountability is set by her,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: not by them. A man writing about you know, this
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: is really funny because women presume a lot of social
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: control over the people they also title their oppressors. Have
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: you noticed that that is generally not the sign of
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: an oppressed group of people. That they presume so much
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: social control over those they regard as their oppressors. Doesn't
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: usually happen that way. A man writing about his own
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: interior in his own voice, on his own questions fails
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: be regardless of a because the accountability needs to be
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: set by her. The accountability has to look like the
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: on ability she already had in mind, or it's ego
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: the conversion. This woman is a massive narcissist, like unbelievable,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: and honestly, I think she was probably jealous of her
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: daughter when her father or the when the dad was
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: enjoying time with her daughter. He's probably jealous both of
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: the father and the daughter. She's probably unbearable to live
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: with once she fails the spec that is Grayson in
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: this article, he stops being a man processing something difficult,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: it becomes an instance of the pattern she quotes him. So,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: once a man stops processing the difficulties that women face,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: he becomes a problem. So if a man has any
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: interior life whatsoever, that isn't rubber stamped by feminism, he
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: becomes a problem. I feel like this is always landing
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: on the same thing. She quotes him in her next
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: piece as evidence of male entitlement. The one good man
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: quiz follows. He's no longer he's content. He, as essay,
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: exists in her world as a foil the man who
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: looked like he might be accountable and turned out to
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: be defending his ego. What Yeah, Okay, here's a here's
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: a little like, you know, just a little test. If
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: a man is talking about the things that keep him
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: up at night, he's not defending his ego, right, he
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: thinks he's talking about his rumination. Loops, He's not defending
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: his ego.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, what is with women?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: Why do I think that men defend their ego by
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: talking about how they're vulnerable to things?
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Projection?
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right, it's projection.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: Uh why this is the cleanest example. Most of the
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: corpus does this retroactively. She has an experience that routes
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: it through the structural frame. The Gryson Grayson piece shows
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: the rooting routing happening perspectively. She declared the verdict before
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: opening the door document. The document then confirmed her either
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: confirmed her hope for verdict positive support of reply, or
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: confirmed the default verdict target acquired. There was no third
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: outcome available because the framework doesn't permit one. A man
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: writing honestly about his interior in a way that doesn't
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: center her judgment of his interior has no category to
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  Speaker 2: live in. This is the moral circle mechanism running in
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: real time in group membership requires performing concern in the
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: specific form she's pre proved. Failure to perform converts the
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: person into a legitimate car target. Okay, let's read it.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: At least we'll read a little bit of it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Brian, Yeah, I'll read a little bit of it.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: All right. So this is the the substack that this
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: woman's referring to. By Grayson Ferguson, I'm a man, and
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: I'm the problem. The world says I'm the problem. Maybe
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: they're right. Every morning, I'm told that I'm the problem.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: It doesn't take long for the reminders to start flipping
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: on social media from the edge of my bed. Videos
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: questioning the existence of men populate my feed Why is
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: a man even there? A woman asks during her pilates class.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: One person questions the presence of an elderly man resting
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: on a Disneyland bench. Another woman explains her judgments of
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: single men and restaurants and movies. Why are they in
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: public like that? Why are they creeping? Why are they
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: always the problem? I go to the movies alone. Sometimes
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: I'll take myself to dinner. It's because I have nobody
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: else to go with, though though maybe I shouldn't if
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: people in the room will judge me in such a way.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: And even if there aren't any such strangers, I'll still
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: wonder who in the room is questioning my intentions and
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: solo existence. Walking home at night, you wonder if someone
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: is following you. A strange noise, footsteps in the distance,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: a dog barks. There might never be a person there,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't change how you feel. Once the thought
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: is there, it's always there. I don't want to be
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: seen as a creep. I just want to brief escape
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: from the depression of life with the aid of loud
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: explosions and ungodly sized tub of popcorn. It takes a
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: great deal of mental energy to convince myself to go
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: by myself, to be amongst others. I tell myself it's
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: better to be out than spend another night alone. But
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: if the world sees me as a creep, as a problem,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: maybe it's better if I don't go. Perhaps the depressed
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: side of my mind is right.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: But what is wrong with this woman?
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: Right? She talks about needing to be seen or whatever,
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: people having curiosity about her life. She extends none of
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: this to anyone else. And I just want to say,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: this is the noise that I was talking about. This
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: is the noise that our society injects into men, the suffering.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: It's unnecessary, the constant weighing yourself against the opinion of
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: the relational web. The relational web is is not something
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: you should care about, certainly, not this relational web. But
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: I know this is also probably a man who's dealing
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: with depression, so he's in negative thought loops. And I
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: can't believe like this woman is a sociopath, Like I'm
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: curious about what she said in response to this. This
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: guy is bleeding on the page about his depression, about
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: his social anxiety, and she has the audacity to make
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: it about herself. Did you believe that?
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: Yes? Actually I do, of.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: Course you do. I mean I believe it. I just
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it at the same time as I know, yeah, exactly.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: But what was I expecting. I'm constantly, constantly in a
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: state of disappointment over the bullshit that my sex does
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: in public, like I, And I'm guessing that on the
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: piece that she wrote, she got a whole bunch of
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: up votes and cheers for, you know, sticking it to
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: the man, to some depressed dude with social anxiety. You
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: really stuck it to the man.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: How Come the man is always any guy with weakness
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: and not like the apex extractors who are funding all
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: the feminism because feminism provides a firewall to their financial rapaciousness.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: How come it's never those men? How Come it's never they,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: They're never the problem. It's always some dude dealing with
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: social anxiety that the sisterhood has to swarm towards and
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: start pecking. As evidence of the patriarchy. Every time a
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: man has any kind of vulnerability or it's talking about
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: something he's dealing with, that's the patriarchy, Isn't it funny?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: You know, the patriarchy is always a man expressing a
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: vulnerability and never a man, you know, destroying a commodity
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: market by extracting through spoofing or something. No, that's okay,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: as long as he's he donates to women against domestic
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: violence caused by uh, women against being women being charged
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: with domestic violence or something, women against women being going
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: to jail. As long as that guy you know gives
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: them money, he's a okay. But this dude is just
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: has social anxiety. You know that that's where patriarchy lives.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Patriarchy lives wherever any man expresses any vulnerability. That's a
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: funny that I think that is the operational definition of patriarchy.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: If you look at what feminists actually do and what
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: they swarm, what they peck at, what they ncap, what
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: they contemptuously laugh at with all their male tears mugs,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: we could probably reverse engineer what feminism is actually has
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: a problem with by the fact that they're always swarming
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: men who just have vulnerabilities. We're just maybe struggling with
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: life a little. Oh god, it's sickening. Almost want to
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: see her bullshit, just to tear it to pieces.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think that we've I'm afraid I can't.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I can't do this much longer. Yes, we could do
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: more of it on Wednesday, like I mean or not.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you really want to know, Like,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: but I mean, this is yeah, this is kind of
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: a this is like serious sad posting this one.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for some reason too. Okay, so another show
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: on this woman found a guy who is sad posting
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: and had to ship all over him, like that's that's
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: what we should do. Yeah, okay, So I got another
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: ten dollars from Timothy.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Timothy appreciated.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very much appreciated.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: Umm, I'm trying to find something here to what's this say?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Come on, man, give me a little break here, Yeah,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: give us a break here.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we're at six hundred and thirty five, six
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: hundred and thirty five for the month. I I was
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: hoping we'd get a little further, but that's still good.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: So very much appreciated for everybody who supported I guess
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: we might have to do another one and we'll just
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: go into how apparently a man being sad is the
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: biggest patriarchy impression. It's oppression of women.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: God, it's it's emotional labor, you know.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a man being sad. He's not actually asking
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: anyone to do anything. He's not even asking anyone to
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: read his post. He's just expressing sadness. Let's set what
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: we can even read it and see if he's he's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: expressing sadness about something women did. But anyway, apparently this
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: is this is the source of patriarch you guys, so
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: look at it. Take notes being sad, being vulnerable, having
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: social anxiety. That's what makes you a horrible patriarch.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: Yep, don't you know?
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• 1:52:33
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