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Bible Magick with Robert Peter Part 2 · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: I think what I'm going up to help.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Occult Rejects. I'm very happy to
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  Speaker 2: be continuing this topic again. It was something that I
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  Speaker 2: was very intrigued with. Wasn't too uh experience in it myself.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I had used some things from the Bible.
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  Speaker 2: But I find this topic extremely interesting and I'm glad
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  Speaker 2: to have Robert Peter back on to keep talking about this.
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  Speaker 2: If you didn't check it out, we already have part
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  Speaker 2: one out should have been out previous week when we
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  Speaker 2: talk about Bible magic, and we did have SONREI from
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  Speaker 2: a A fuck.
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  Speaker 3: I already forgot his podcast name.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, Order of Order of Chaos, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: you know what it is. He's not doing much with it,
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  Speaker 2: so I'm forgetting the name. He needs he needs to
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  Speaker 2: slip up a more episodes. No, but yeah, unfortunately he
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  Speaker 2: could make it. But uh, we got Robert Peter back
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  Speaker 2: on again, and we're gonna be talking a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more about this stuff and maybe get into the practical
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  Speaker 2: side of things and some of the stuff we didn't
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  Speaker 2: talk about in the first one. Robert for people who
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  Speaker 2: may not have listened to the last one or don't
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  Speaker 2: know who you are. Please let everybody know what your
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  Speaker 2: deal is and advertise or plug whatever you like.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, First off, thank you for having me back.
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  Speaker 1: Absolute pleasure, honor to be here. So yeah, I'm Rob Peter,
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  Speaker 1: eclectic magician withzard whatever you want to call me. I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to say as a human being who's trying to
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  Speaker 1: do some cool shit in the world and trying to
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  Speaker 1: find some unorthodox methods in which to do it in
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  Speaker 1: whether that's sort of candle incentse or whatever. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to I can do some coull ship,
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  Speaker 1: that's basically it. You can find me doing some cool
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  Speaker 1: shit if you think it's cool being a judge about
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  Speaker 1: yourself on Instagram at Robert Peter Services or on sub
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  Speaker 1: sac at no yeah no hand path. So yeah, you'll
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  Speaker 1: find some interesting things and some of the things that
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about this evening, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be in there as well, so you can go
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  Speaker 1: back there and sort of check it out for reference
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  Speaker 1: and see the expanded versions if we don't quite have
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  Speaker 1: time to get into it, so hopefully we will, but
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  Speaker 1: just in case, we don't. There's some stuff over there,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Nice, nice time. Just subscribe to your to your subjects
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  Speaker 2: checking it out now, yeah, thank you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Actually I feel bad because I forgot to mention it
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  Speaker 2: already for myself and I'm like, oh, I'm still on
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  Speaker 2: this London.
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  Speaker 3: But I did start a substect too.
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  Speaker 2: If people are just to look for the occult region
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  Speaker 2: exits in the it's in the show notes. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I did stop went too, but yeah, definitely go check
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  Speaker 2: out his and uh Rappert Peter. I hate to be
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  Speaker 2: kind of I guess regurgitating stuff from the last show.
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  Speaker 2: But again, just maybe for listeners, can you give people
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  Speaker 2: an idea like again, like how you you came kind
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  Speaker 2: of across because you weren't big into Christianity yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, No, So I.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's that's an amazing thing how you still
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  Speaker 2: found yourself using Bible magic. So maybe just give people
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of an idea of how you got
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  Speaker 2: into it and you know, how you were able to
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  Speaker 2: even I guess work with it when you kind of
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  Speaker 2: didn't view Christianity in the best way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically, so I got into it on a kind
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  Speaker 1: of like chaos magic flex. So when I was working
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  Speaker 1: on chaos Magic, I was sort of like looking at
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  Speaker 1: the I guess technologies. That's at least how I started anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at the technologies available.
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  Speaker 3: I love how you call it. Technically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like at the start anyway, that's how I start,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not where it ended up. Basically, I was
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  Speaker 1: sort of like looking at it, and I was thinking, like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so when people are like in a foxhole, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, when people are in a super shit situation,
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  Speaker 1: was the one prayer they go to Law's Prayer, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: or the Ave Maria or like Glory B. And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, okay, so like why is it that the
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  Speaker 1: human mind defaults to these prayers? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And then I was like okay, cool. So I actually
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  Speaker 1: found myself in a shit situation and tried it out,
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  Speaker 1: like tried doing the Law's prayer, but from a place
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  Speaker 1: of like actually like not in a chaos magic way
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  Speaker 1: of like as in a technology, but as in using
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  Speaker 1: the chaos magic sort of like paradigm shifting to fully
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  Speaker 1: shift into that. So when I did it, I was
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  Speaker 1: like fuck it, Like I am a Christian bam, like
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  Speaker 1: I took on the role, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't a chaos magician anymore like I was a Christian,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So like I put myself
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  Speaker 1: in that role, fully shifted into that sort of I
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  Speaker 1: guess state, you know what I mean, like stay of consciousness,
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  Speaker 1: and it fucking worked, and I was like ship okay.
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  Speaker 1: And part of the whole thing of chaos magic is
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  Speaker 1: is finding what works, but from the from it from
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  Speaker 1: a lens of like okay, this works, but not looking
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  Speaker 1: at it from like a really like pompous view, as
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  Speaker 1: in like, oh, look, I can scribble some things on
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  Speaker 1: a bit of paper and like warp reality, but being
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  Speaker 1: like okay, if something works, if one part of it works,
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  Speaker 1: then what can the rest of it do? You know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? Exactly like what can the rest of
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  Speaker 1: it do? Rather than like what so a lot of
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  Speaker 1: what a lot? What a lot? There we go. If
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  Speaker 1: chaos magicians do it's are quite lazy, as in like
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  Speaker 1: they'll start doing something and then they'll be like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well that works, so I don't need to bother, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. They literally have the tool tools
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  Speaker 1: in front of them to reshape reality and like function
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  Speaker 1: it up, you know what I mean, like actually create
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  Speaker 1: some real fucking change. And then they're the first like hurdle,
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  Speaker 1: or not even at the first hurdle, at the first
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  Speaker 1: like like finish line where they're coming first, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, They've just won the race. And then
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  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, no, I'm going to give up and
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  Speaker 1: go back to like doing whatever, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: They might go back to like jacking off about doing
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  Speaker 1: the schedule, you know what I mean. So like, son't this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not going to fall into that
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  Speaker 1: like uh like rats nest of like quits. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to like fully go into this and see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I started exploring it more and then started
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  Speaker 1: finding that there were some real, real treasures within this.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was really cool, really cool, And I
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  Speaker 1: hope to bring that back, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and offer a different perspective rather than just like from
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  Speaker 1: a conjured perspective, because a lot of the Bible will
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  Speaker 1: use a lot and conjure as well, and just sort
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  Speaker 1: of like give people a way in that isn't based
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  Speaker 1: on like dogmatic faith or or yeah, just just just
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  Speaker 1: the things that are out there in a.
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  Speaker 3: Minute, you know, I mean mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so hopefully hopefully that's that's the thing and
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  Speaker 1: it works. But if not, well chill go and find
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  Speaker 1: your own way, you know. I mean that's the beauty
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  Speaker 1: of beauty of life.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, there, yes, that is true, and there's so
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  Speaker 2: many other things out there. If you don't like something,
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  Speaker 2: you could just keep it going.
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  Speaker 1: Keep it.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I know in this episode you wanted to get into
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  Speaker 2: I guess a little bit more of the practical I guess,
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  Speaker 2: like even for people I guess beginning or getting into this,
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  Speaker 2: uh in that aspect or, I guess with all this stuff,
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  Speaker 2: where would you even suggest someone to start?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? May I think the.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that would even be totally honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: I would be like where do I start?
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  Speaker 1: Know what?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it depends on what kind of background you're coming from.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're coming from, like I guess, like a
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  Speaker 1: pagan background or or perspective where you work with deities. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so when you come to Christianity, obviously you're like you've
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  Speaker 1: got the main man in the sky, I mean God, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: wayh whatever, and then you've got the Son the Holy Spirit, right,
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  Speaker 1: so they're kind of like far away spirits at first,
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  Speaker 1: so they can see my far away spirits asn't and
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  Speaker 1: all seeing God watch everything, right. So the best thing
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  Speaker 1: I would do is sort of like it depends where
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  Speaker 1: you want to go Protestant or Catholic. I'll go Catholic
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  Speaker 1: personally because they have a plethora of saints that you
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  Speaker 1: can contact, So I'd go, right, I want to pick
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  Speaker 1: a saint that is fitting with my vocation, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: sort of go go with that vibe and sort of
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  Speaker 1: connect with them and work with them and sort of
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  Speaker 1: see them as a deity, I mean, like a God
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  Speaker 1: or a goddess and sort of work with them because
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  Speaker 1: if they are, if they're a saint that works with God,
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  Speaker 1: as in the biblical God, then they can sort of
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  Speaker 1: teach you how to have like relationship with them. But
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  Speaker 1: not from a place of like like a pew hogger,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in this day and age
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  Speaker 1: where they just sit there and like lament or like
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  Speaker 1: pray empty prayers or whatever. No, like if people actually
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  Speaker 1: did the work and achieved like some form of apotheosis,
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  Speaker 1: so like when they died, obviously they've now become like
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  Speaker 1: a God of sours, you know what I mean, or
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  Speaker 1: like a mighty dead part of the mighty dead. So
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  Speaker 1: if they've managed to achieve such as a state from
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  Speaker 1: their merits and from their things in life, then they
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  Speaker 1: can teach you how to do that because they were
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  Speaker 1: not always saints when they first started. They were just
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  Speaker 1: like me and you, you know what I mean. So
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  Speaker 1: they can sort of teach you the ropes that they
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  Speaker 1: can meet you where you're at, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: the most important thing, Like they're not meeting you as
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  Speaker 1: like they're not going to take you back to square one.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're a magician coming to Christianity, they can
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  Speaker 1: go okay, so in like in Wicker you new candle magic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what they can then do is say, well, in Perfolicism,
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  Speaker 1: we have this thing called a novena, and rather than
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  Speaker 1: like your spell oils, we've got holy oil, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean, And we like rather than your like
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  Speaker 1: lost oral waters, we've got holy water. And they can
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  Speaker 1: sort of show you where the lines connect. But although
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  Speaker 1: they show you how it will connect, there's there's a
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  Speaker 1: thing of like not leaving that behind but sort of
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  Speaker 1: like come in correctly to the saint and letting the
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  Speaker 1: saint guide you. Because what a lot of people do.
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  Speaker 1: They will come and start working with the saint, and
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  Speaker 1: like I said about the Lord's prayer, like where you
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  Speaker 1: can sort of like give up at the first finish line,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people will be like, oh, well, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Catholicism's got candle magic. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot more than that. Like novenas are a lot
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  Speaker 1: more than like your basic and not basic, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's a lot more than just
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  Speaker 1: like kndle magic. There's a lot there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: sort of like psycho spiritual processes that go into it,
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of emotional transmutation, a lot of dedication,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like pouring energy into this thing. It's like
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  Speaker 1: nine days straight, sometimes more than nine days. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like that it's best to just take the hand of
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  Speaker 1: the saint and let them go. But there's also obviously
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  Speaker 1: like things like incense. There's there's invocations, prayers, litanies, so
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  Speaker 1: you have like a litany to the saint as well.
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  Speaker 1: So in the sort of like Greeco Egyptian thing, obviously
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  Speaker 1: I've got author kims which were a big hit fucking
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  Speaker 1: love the author Kims. And when I came to sort
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  Speaker 1: of doing my like chaos magic Christianity, so I started
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  Speaker 1: to realize that the Litany to the Saint is basically
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  Speaker 1: an author hymn. Right, So I don't know if you
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  Speaker 1: want to pull up a litany to like one of
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  Speaker 1: the saints and I can run you through it to
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  Speaker 1: like how how similar it is. But yeah, it's really
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  Speaker 1: cool and I think the listeners will like highly benefit
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  Speaker 1: from this because if for me it was like a
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  Speaker 1: bombshell when that went off. So you can let you
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  Speaker 1: pick anyone, like Saint Judea is a pretty one, pretty
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  Speaker 1: good one to pick, but like they're all they're all
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  Speaker 1: good enough.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, yeah, I was trying to find that. For
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  Speaker 2: some reason, my internet's going really slow. Would you see
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  Speaker 2: Hilda guard have one?
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  Speaker 3: You think?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: mad but yeah, so like whilst we're waiting for that
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  Speaker 1: to come up, if you're familiar with like saying hill
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  Speaker 1: and God, basically it takes you through their mythos, right,
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  Speaker 1: so you're like Saint Hilda gard ba ba bam whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and then each line it says pray for us after that, right,
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  Speaker 1: So in the author him, you're basically saying, like Hermes,
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  Speaker 1: we know you by your wood which is ebony. We
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  Speaker 1: know you by your city is some monopolis, right, and
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  Speaker 1: all these attributes and all of these are accolades and things.
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  Speaker 1: And then when you go through the litany to the saint,
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  Speaker 1: you're basically saying to them like, Saint hilden God, I
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  Speaker 1: know you because you did this pray for me. I
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  Speaker 1: know you because you did this pray for me. So
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  Speaker 1: it's exactly the same thing. But what's beautiful about it
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  Speaker 1: is that there's there's a plethora of saints. There's like
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  Speaker 1: so many saints, and every single saint has got like
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  Speaker 1: a selection of prayers. Right, it's got a litany, so
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  Speaker 1: you've got all of their mythology there, right. So, like
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  Speaker 1: I was saying with the orthor hymns, when you do
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  Speaker 1: an orthor him, you might not know all of the
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  Speaker 1: history like the or the mythology right of the deity
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  Speaker 1: like Zeus, Hermes and stuff. But as you're doing these
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I didn't know. It's like woodwards ebony,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like when you're doing
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  Speaker 1: the stuff with a saint. You're actually coming to know
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  Speaker 1: the saint more through doing it, so you're like, oh, wow,
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  Speaker 1: this Saint's like really cool. So if you if you
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  Speaker 1: get called through intuition or someone tells you to work
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  Speaker 1: with a particular saying, you might not know why. But
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  Speaker 1: then when you actually come to work with that saying,
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  Speaker 1: you start to read their litany through and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I can really see why, you know, so you can
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  Speaker 1: form that bond with the saying through doing the litany
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  Speaker 1: to them, so like it's like a connection. It's like
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  Speaker 1: a connective evocation or implication to the same to get results,
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  Speaker 1: like practical magic results. But it's also a sort of
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  Speaker 1: like I'm going to get to know you at the
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  Speaker 1: same time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could totally see that. Yeah, I could see that.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be in a way of almost you like when
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  Speaker 2: people say it, I feel like it sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: cheesy thing to say, because there's play a better way
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  Speaker 2: to say it. But people are like, oh, I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to have a relationship with health or a tool. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like you kind of I've heard people say that
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  Speaker 2: and like something, but I think you know what I'm
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  Speaker 2: setting Like they're trying to understand them more and maybe
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  Speaker 2: get more of a mindset of who they were, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, yeah, definitely. So are you talking about half
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  Speaker 1: hour as in like the filmic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying anybody, somebody could have said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: just I just picked for.
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  Speaker 1: Sure for sure. So there's actually on that note, And
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  Speaker 1: this is this kind of blends into one going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about if it's a conversation Lisa. But there's a
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  Speaker 1: book called like Tantric Flama of Therma, and it basically
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  Speaker 1: is using tantric techniques like tan trick bullets Buddhist techniques
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  Speaker 1: in order to assume the god forms through that way. Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'll hook you up with the book. It's fucking phenomenal
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  Speaker 1: and it teaches you a lot about sea doing things
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  Speaker 1: a different way.
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  Speaker 2: Forms work sometimes when they did certainly juels or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But I used to use a lot of Egyptian guys,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like most of them, it's like you're just
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  Speaker 2: standing there, like you gotta stay in there with one
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  Speaker 2: of your feet forward, you know, it's like the.
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  Speaker 3: Easier, it's the easiest pose. It's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember when I was in the Golden Dawn
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  Speaker 1: and we did obviously like the assumption of the god
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  Speaker 1: forms and stuff where b R H H rose colored gray,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, jump in the god form
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  Speaker 1: bits flash blush.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Golden Dorm was a little bit more into
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  Speaker 2: I think the guard form who pushed it a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more than I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. So like if i'm if I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: like sort of synthesize those two two things, so like
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  Speaker 1: falsism like litany and and putting on the god form.
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  Speaker 1: But by doing that you're understanding the same right, so
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  Speaker 1: you're connecting with it on that level. So but on
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  Speaker 1: some like plane of existence, the aftral plane be the
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  Speaker 1: mental plane or whatever, you're actually connecting with that saint.
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  Speaker 1: So you're sort of forming a psychic link with that
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  Speaker 1: saint right by tapping into its myth, just like you
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  Speaker 1: would a god. Right, So by doing that you form
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  Speaker 1: that connective evocation or invocation, and you can sort of
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  Speaker 1: feel when you sort of pray to the saint, like
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  Speaker 1: when you're making your petition, what the saint is kind
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: of saying, right, whether that's based off a sort of
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: present time like a real time response from the saint
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: or like the eggregor the saint or if that's like
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: you're tapping into the greater myth of the saint, or
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like the historia of the saint, which is then giving
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: you a feedback thaing which sort of can lead you
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: into the greater mysteries of the saint, you know. I mean,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: so there's a lot, there's a lot of contemplation. So
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: when you listen to part one of this, I mentioned
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that the shamanistic sort of links of Christianity, and there's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of it here, like even in the practical
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: magic side. But so of bringing things into the more
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: of a grounded, grounded approach rather than like going off
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: on a tangent and going into the psycho spiritual mystical
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: aspects of it. If you want to get a load
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: of faints, just fucking do this. But you can do
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it even with a prayer man, like just do the
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: simple prayer and then go about your day and look
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: at the synchronicities. So there's not much difference between like
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: working with a saint and working with a deity. I mean,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: even if you can't read it right. Some of the
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: top things on spirituality is like, hey, does anyone work
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: with what were your experiences and everyone's like, oh, yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I did it, and then my neighbor walked past me
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and drop their keys, or like I saw a black dog,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like everyone's like banging on
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: about these synchronistic experiences and stuff, and that doesn't change
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: when you come to Christianity, or like when you do
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Christian magic or work with the Bible, it's just a
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: different like paradigm, you know what I mean. So like
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: when you start working with the Bible magically and you
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: start working with saints, don't throw the baby out with
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: the bath wall, you know what I mean, Like hold
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: on to all the training that you've had magically, but
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: sort of sort of leave the sort of how do
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I say this, like the makeup if you will, in
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: like a previous tradition or your previous way of doing
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: it and sort of come to Christianity and be like okay,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: so like what does the Father mean? What does the
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Son mean? What does the Holy Spirit mean? I mean?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And get to know it because as soon as you
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: understand the language that the tradition is trying to teach you,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: then you can understand the synchronicities more. But the thing
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is is that when a lot of people come to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: this tradition and they start been trying to work it,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: even in a chaos magic way, like I said, like
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: giving up at the finish line. They'll be like, oh Jesus,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: oh he's a fucking cunt, you know what I mean,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: like and and they will automatically jump into this like
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to push start pushing this away rather than
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: getting to know the mysteries behind it. And if people
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: get another the mysteries behind it, they might actually find
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that it's way more aligned with their like pagan belief
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever than what they actually realized.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with that, totally agree with it. Here
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: is Uh, I do have the litany for seeing hilde
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: guard I don't know if you want to. I don't
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: know if you can see it or if you wanted
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: me to read it or what. But I put it
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: up on it.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah I think I think you can read it a
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: bit more of me.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I had to throw it up.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: It's hard to find like a site with it on there,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: like yeah, so I actually has chat GPT for.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: It and then they threw it on a document.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: The lit the litany have seen Hildegard of bingin I've
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: covered her before, so I figure that look for her.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Saint Hildegarde, Flame of the Rhine Land. Pray for us,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Prophetess of the Living Light. Pray for us, voice of
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: divine fire and holy thunder. Pray for us. That's pretty
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: gangster righting, daughter of vision, sealed in silence and opened
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: by God. Pray for us, Sybol of the Church. Pray
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: for us, teacher of bishops, monks, emperors, and seekers. Pray
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: for us, women who spoke when women were told to
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: be silent. Pray for us, keeper of the green force
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: of God, the Holy verdidas if I'm.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Pray for us.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Singer of celestial harmony. Pray for us, composer of sacred
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: sound and angelic medicine. Pray for us, hero of body, soul,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: herb stone in star. Pray for us, witness of creation
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: as a living book. Pray for us, reader of plants, humors, elements,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and heavenly signs. Pray for us, lover of wisdom, clothe
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: in radiant light. Pray for us, guardian against corruption in
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: holy places. Pray for us, mirror of discipline, courage, and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: divine imagination.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Pray for us.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Saint Hildegarde, who saw the cosmos as a wheel of fire.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Pray for US Saint Hildegarde, who heard the music beneath creation.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Pray for US Saint Hildegarde, who taught that the soul
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: must be tuned like an instrument. Pray for US Saint Hildegarde,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: who named sin as dryness and grace as greenness.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Pray for US.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Saint Hildegarde, who carries.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Germany.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Keep going not enough if you go out al, I'm
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: just gonna make a point.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: That's a banger. There's some impressive stuff in here.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, sick right, So if you go up, yeah, So
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: there's a propheties of the Living Light? Right? So what
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: does what does that say to you as a magician,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: right or someone who has practiced magic?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: To me, I well, one of the reasons why I
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: was impressed with her, Maybe it's my opinion or just
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: knowing the stuff that I've looked at her, looked, oh
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: you know about her before. I do think she had
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: magical experiences. I do think she's I guess what we
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: would call crossing the abyss. And I do think that
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: maybe a prophetess of the Living Light, that she has
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: had experiences or seeing things, and she's trying to, I guess,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: explain that to us the best she can.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, right. So I'm going to point something out
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: from an extremely practical level. Yeah, So, what the propheties
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of the Living Lights is to me is that you
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: can petition this woman, right, this lovely, lovely woman for divination, right,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: for fortune telling, because there's the prophecies of the living light. Yeah,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: light shows the way when you look at things from
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a like planetary magic perspective, light helios is using divination
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: because you can shine light on stuff. Right, So boom,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: you've got a saint who is fucking sick at divination. Yeah. So,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and it says voice of divine fire and holy thunder,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: which means that combined with where is it, there's a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: bit where it basically says about like dealing with corruption stuff.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: So basically that means that she's very powerful, right her prayers.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So the bit of like divine fire and thunder or whatever,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: it means that fire is purifying and thunder is extremely
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: sort of like impactful, so that her prayers are very powerful.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So like what she can do in a working is
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: extremely powerful. And then you've got the teachers of bishop's
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: monks and what is it speak? So she can actually
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: she can teach you in the mysteries, right, and there's
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a load of other ones here that teach you that.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Like basically say that she can teach the mysteries. And
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: then you've got like Witness of Creation as a living book.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: So if you're going to work with her, you can
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: look at the Bible to learn the mysteries of the Bible,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like from her guardian against corruptions and holy places. Right,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: So if you've got your temple, okay, like you've got
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: your magical temple, your magical space, you call her in.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: She clears the space and you can be like, right,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: send the Hilton Guard to stand guard against any ship
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: that tries to come in. So you've got like your
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: gatekeeper deity. But she's also the one that's going to
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: guard you. She's going to guard you. She's going to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: show you like the divination and stuff. You can ask
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: her to bless of tower cards or bless your divination method. Yeah,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: so you could even if it was me personally, I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: would work with her. I'd bless the candle, I'd set
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: that down and I would just try that candle, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I would ask her to show me like visions and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: stuff through that candle. There's a whole bunch of stuff here.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: So basically it's like sort of cosmos, a wheel of fire. Right,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So that tells me that she can help your planetary magic.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: There's got like, yeah, who heard music for head of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: music beneath creation, she can do clear audience ship. She
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: can help you learn clair audience right, who joined heaven
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and Earth? So she can act as a bridge to
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: celestial deities angelic magic. Right the bit where it says
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: like something about like angelic angelic suff Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: basically yeah, and it says about like herbs and plants
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and stuff.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah that is wild. Yeah.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So you might be running off being like like
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: all these other daisies. No, no, no, right, fuck off, man, Like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you've got a spirit here who is like really easily
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: connected with You can probably find her relics. I've got
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: relic oil with her. If anyone's interested, I can make you. Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I can hook you up with some relics or whatever.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: You can use this oil. Anoint your fucking third eye
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: with this oil, Anoint your palms with this oil, anoint
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: your tarot cars with this oil consecrated to Saint Jordan
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: God boom. You know what I mean. You have got
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: one spirit, one thing. You can do all of these things.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So rather than like running off to Amazon when you
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: start your path and buying like fifteen different statues of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: like Carnonios and like Hermes and Hika and running off
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: on your Instagram being like, oh may, I'm a fucking
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: devo to all these spirits. Mate, You've got one sent right,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: and all it requires you to do is to take
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: your previous position to piss on Christianity, like the majority
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of like fucking Instagram wants to do with the occult world. Yeah, right,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: in order to be trendy, in order to be trendy,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: and we're like an invited Pentagram T shirt. But GoF,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I am right work with the spirit, you know what
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I mean. But on.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Seeing Hilde God is a game yo. She is real
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: big with uh.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I think it's cool, like with how they kind of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: mentioned like about music and her voice, like she if
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I remember correctly, how we make a joke saying if
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: there wasn't her, whether we we ever have had Iron Maiden.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: But she was the one who I think came up
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: with uh harmonizing.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh the other one, oh mate, sense of
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Celia Boom. Absolutely fucking godsend. When you get into some
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: magic and things like that, you're stirs to sing the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: psalms because the angels sing. So if you if you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: get into the patron saying singing, she can teach you
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: to hit the frequencies and stuff. Right. The thing is
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: is that this is one saint. I want you to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: do something if you can, and it's not too much
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: trouble peace. Google how many saints there are? Just see
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: like how many saints, how many sort of like official
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: saints there are in the world.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: There's a lie, isn't there's this?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Fuck man?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one time somebody, one of my older
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: co hosts, was teld me about that, and.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Oh jeez.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: They estimated suggest over ten thousand saints have been canaanized
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: in history, but around seventeen hundred in the last five
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: hundred years, and more than ninety have been declared by
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: recent pubs.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, Right, So you've got ten thousand spirits, right,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: who have all had different mystical experiences when it comes
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: to knowing the divine. Yeah, they've been around for a
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: long time, and you want to go on YouTube and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: look at someone who's got like some really like fucking
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: ship views. When you can just go and light a
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: candle and talk to these people, you know what I mean?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Absolute game changer, right. And the other thing you've got
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: to do is you've got to look at all their
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: litanies as well. And the cool thing about is is
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that every single one of these litanies, every single prayer
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: to a saint, outside of folk tradition, right and outside
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of like close practice and stuff, is available on the internet.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So you're not having to run out and buy all
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: these like occult books and things, you know what I mean,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Like all these tons of knowledge. Nothing is gate kept
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: man nothing. All this stuff is in the public domain.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: You can look it up, you can access it, right,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: And there's there's a lot there's a lot to be
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: said of people trying to like find out all this
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: like different esthotetic knowledge, right, and like waiting for someone
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: to bring a book out and waiting for someone to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: do this when all of this stuff is there. If
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you want to learn witchcraft, go ahead, sorry, if you
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: want to learn witchcraft. There is so many fucking spirits
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: there that are ready, willing and able to do it,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and yeah they call themselves Christian and whatever. Fine, but
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: the thing is like, look at hill and God right,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it says that she's like bang on the fucking money
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: when it comes to stones, herbs and ship. Yeah, she's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: going to teach you that. She's going to teach you that.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: But she's going to say, yeah, it's all God. I mean,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: just like Aquipper did. A Guipper is like, look like
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: all this is like, I mean, it's all the service
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: of the most High. But he'll give you the stone,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: like all the correspondences for Jupiter, half of all the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: planetary stuff, who cares? Who fucking cares? Who cares where
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: it comes from? Like what would you rather do? Pick
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: up like I don't know, like a book on witchcraft
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: where they teach you all these correspondences and stuff. It's
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: all right, cool, Well it's got cunning hands, like Encyclopedia
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: of light heads and stuff. Cool, that's great, big up.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: You could summon heal and God using this and be
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: like hey man, like you've got knowledge of herds and
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: stones and that, how how can we read this book?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And then you get a pen and you can go
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: through that book and write down all your stuff what
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: she tells you, and you stand upon that, use what
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: you've got, like, don't disregard all of the occult books
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: and stuff that are out work with these spirits or
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to give them new light.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean no, it's really good.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but people want to throw the baby out with
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: the bath for we ain't even scratched the surface on this. Yeah.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I find interesting with this though, even
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff that you see being written in there,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: it's like, wow, that's actually interesting that the Catholic Church
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: even acknowledges this stuff. Yeah, because they have to, you know,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: it's good they like because yeah, like even right here
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: now to jump on to another one, I just was
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: like interested in what Saint Albertus Magnus and he even
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: says like doctor i VALA's teacher of sacred knowledge prey
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: for us, I mean, mister of theology philosophy in the
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: created world, you know, teacher of Saint Thomas Aquinas, which
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: is very interesting.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how Thomas, Yeah, he was the one who broke Yeah, definitely. Man,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Well that's the thing is that right there? That's another point. Yeah,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: So Saint albert Magnus he's say, teacher of Thomas Aquinas.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So this is another point I want to make up.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: So when it comes to like forming your spirit court, right,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you call Albert macnus, you start to work with him
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: in that litany is a gateway to work with another spirit, right.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: So you then go look up what Thomas Aquinas is
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: doing and he's like all about angelology, right and stuff
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like that, and he's like, oh cool. Then you've got
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a branch off spirit, right, And then you look at
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the disciples, if you will, the people that like learn
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: under him, and then they branch off fromto other stuff.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So you can actually map out the practical magic undercurrent
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: of profalcism or stuff in general. You know what I mean.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I've got I've got an angel magic course right, like
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: shameless plug that goes into like direct contacts and stuff
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of angels and teaches you how to get a right
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: relationships and stuff of angels. And it's a gateway. It's
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: a gateway for people to have these experiences without feeling
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: that they need to go into it in a Christian way.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Because Thomas Aquinas he might have had angelic experiences before.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people if you go on Reddit,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the hallow grounds that have
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: readit hashtag make sure you've got Heald and Garden with you,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: because it's also assessed pool in certain places. So and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I had the experience of an angel.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Like how many recorded cases are there in the world
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: where people have been hit by cars and seeing angels,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: got in a car crashed seeing an angel. There's been
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a house fight, I've seen an angel, you know what
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I mean. Like people want to know and quantify these experiences,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: but you can either go like one of many ways
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: of it. But the two most common ones are the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: church tries to quantify it or the New Age grab
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: them by the balls and he's like, oh yeah, learned
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: light language, you know what I mean to contact this angel,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And it's like that fuck off, Like there's so many
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: different ways of being able to do this, but people
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: people just want to jump down then once you know
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: what I mean, Yeah, why not, sir?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I think there's even stuff that like a lot of
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: times when things are even put out, like when I've
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: seen a lot of angel magic done, Like I think
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: even the this system that you're being handed is like
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: supposedly gives results and that's why it's even circular.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I have worked with I did it
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: my own way.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I would kind of do with kabbalistically, but I have
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: done a lot of work with angels, and I actually
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: it doesn't sound as goth or I guess as edgy,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: but I do feel like I've gotten the most beneficial
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: stuff out of that for me, just keeping it real,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you know, or at least, yeah, they change myself as well,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: like sick, like I you feel released. For me, there
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: was some sort of like feeling of lightness or it's
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you felt better afterwards, just put it
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: that way from you.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good, but there's a there's a purification process
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the guys on I think as well. And I think
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people can't take.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So, as you mentioned, it's not like dark or edgy,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and I think the thing is is that when people
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: are getting into the occult, they want dark and edgy
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and and they don't actually want the experience. Yeah, I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: mean they don't actually want to contact spirits. They just
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: want to be seen to have a cand or young
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: men and all this shit. And the thing is certain, yeah,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: like when you turn around and sort of show people that, like,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: even through that listening you can gain so much information
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: from the spirit and a way to contact it, which
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is fucking super easy. They suddenly don't want to do
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that anymore, and they'll hide behind this like veneer of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: like fuck Christianity when these spirits are like outright teaching
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: things that could be considered witchcraft, you know. So it's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: not that the methods aren't there, and it's very practically
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: easy to do, but it's that people don't actually want
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the experience because they don't actually want to progress magically,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They just want to stay
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: in a hateful way. And like you said, when working
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: with angels is very uplifting and it picks you up
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: and it makes you like kind of positive in a way,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like up your spirit. It makes
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: you see the world in a different way. And although
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Christianity look a fucking hour, I said that I fucking
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: hate Christianity, right, I hate it? Do you still hate
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: it in certain aspects? Is that you have to separate
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the magical side of Christianity from what the church is
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: doing now. Because when hial and God, when hild and
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: God was like doing all their ship Like these people
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: are getting your results. Like these things fucking care about you, right,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you can go to them. Some of them don't like you,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Like some of them are fucking assholes. I'm going to
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: out there, it's over ten thousands of them. Like, put
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: ten thousand people in a room, you're going to get
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: at least like five thousand assholes. I mean. So obviously
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: make sure you're going to the right saint and stuff
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: like that. But there's a lot of things out there
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: for a lot of things. And when you get a saint,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad that you actually pick Hill and gun
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Like because she's so versatile, you know, and she's she's
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: kind of like not a familiar spirit, you know what
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, But she's kind of like a spirit guide.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: So you cross, you take all the boxes with the
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: new You took all the boxes of like the deeper
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: occult stuff, you know what I mean, like an intermediary
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: spirit to connect you with the higher and lower realms. Right,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: we haven't even begun to get into Mary yet, right,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: So so Mary is known as the Queen of Saints.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Mary can do all that and more. Mary has an
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: epithet called the Empress of hell okay, which means that
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: if you want to work with carphonic entities as well
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: in Catholicism, you can do that because Mary's like, yeah,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: let's go, let's do it, because she conquered everywhere. Yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I mean so like the very thing that people think,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: like when you get into Christianity, oh, you can't work
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: with carphonic entities if she can. Like the priests were
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: doing that, they were someone in demons and telling them
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: what to do. Where do you think solomonic magic came from?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, there are a bunch of priests that were like, yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: we're going to summon demons and tell them what to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: do because God gives us how toy. So like the
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: edge lords that think that, you know, I'm going to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: be a goetic magician and all this shit, Like I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I would like, you don't. You don't have to give
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that up. You can do it and it's fine. And
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: so as I said before, like the christ like going
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: to Christianity as a chaos magician and realizing how rich
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it is as a tradition. You've got so much there. Mate,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: We've been talking for about like actually like getting into
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: this like twenty minutes. Look, at all the stuff we're
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: covered in twenty minutes, like just by like delving into
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a bit. Yeah, that was.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: That was really interesting.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the thing is okay, it's
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: ready to start. Yeah, going back to that question, you've
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: got to what you've got, you gotta want to do it.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: You've got to want to do it, put yourself to
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: the side and be like, yeah, fuck it, let's try
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: it out, which is what a good chaos magician would do.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: So if I could have for a bit of advice
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: at anyone.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: How can I frame this into a magical working, you
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, at least try that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely have a need. It's got to be a need.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Whenever there's a need, Like why don't most people get
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: into magic, like properly get into magic because you need to,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: Like Saint Xtra detail, right, he's one of the most
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: invoked saints like ever, probably because people want money. They
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: need money, and they need it like fucking now. They
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: need like yesterday. So they go onto Google type intin
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: x DTA and they're like, get a candle, get a
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: glass of water, gave the image pray to them, and
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: then they do that and then like holy fucking ship,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: like punt intended like it worked, and then it wets
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: their whistle to then get involved in more stuff, you
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I see what it was like the Gateway drug.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah made that that guy, that guy saved my fucking life.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Like he he's got to have a lot of shit.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I love that guy. He's the best ten. Yeah, anyone
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that wants to get into this, like to start off,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: say next to let just go and talk to him,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: like obviously, don't get yourself in a situation where like
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: you're fucked up money. Why if you need to pay
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: a bill or you're gonna lose your house or something.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: But just like test him as like ask him if
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: you want to work if you then come through for
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you and just sort of like have that Ally in
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: your back pocket. Like even if that's as far as
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: you go with Saint work, just understand that you've got
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: that Ally in your back pocket if you ever need
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: an emergency. Yeah, I mean, so it keeps that door
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: to this kind of stuff hoping. But yeah, I like that.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I never know using the litanys before that is
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: a wow, there's some deep it.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, cool Man's cool, very cool.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I guess I really witnessed, honestly, because a lot of
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: this is still green for me. Where else would you
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: go from here? I guess anything else that you would
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I guess suggest when you're getting started.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: So like, so.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: From what perspective would you would you say? Like from
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the chaos magic perspective if you from there?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or like ceremonial magic, you know, or chaos which
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I could, I mean I could still see
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: like I mean I did. I would consider myself at
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: one point I was very much into I guess chaos magic,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: but ceremonial kind of or I would incorporate things into it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So like one of the main draws for me
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: was that looking at scripture, right, because in chaos magic
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: reality like speaking things into distance is you know, I mean,
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the whole abide thing is a big is a big
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: part of it. So in the last episode I mentioned,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I said fifty five to eleven, where it's like, so
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: shall I send my word out before me? It shall
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: accomplish the thing to where I send it, right, Essentially,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: it shall not come back empty handed, but it shall
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: do whatever.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: That's sigil magic. As I said, before right, son, you
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: start thinking, well, what can I do that? That's an
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: affirmation right there that you can use prayers as a
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: form of reality manipulation. So if you look at God, right,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: God as the force that is powering your sisuls, you
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: might want to go Okay, So I'm going to get
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: three candles. On a very practical level, I'm going to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: get three candles. I'm going to invoke God, which is
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a big powerful source like the unknown. I'm going to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: invoke the Sun, which is the word made manifest, right
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: because the world no manifest. And then I'm going to
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: invoke the Holy Spirit, which is the all pervading force,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: which isn't everything. Yeah, I mean, if you want to
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: start getting into sort of like quantum physics level things,
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: you can explain it away that way, you know, and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: then you've got all right. Cool. So I'm going to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: draw from the Holy Spirit. So I'm going to like
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: pull energy out of the ether. If you practice taisi
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: or anything, or if you practice broky, You're going to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: pull that energy out of the ether and put it
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: into a form that you want. Right, So, what's one
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: of the coolest things about chaos? Magic? Sittils and servitor
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: make a servitor and in a chaos magic sense, use
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit to bring that servitor to life, you
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Or say, hey, in scripture it
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: says like this this or whatever and disarm or whatever.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Program it using scripture on my sub sac It actually
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: talks about taking a psalm verse so for like he
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: shall give his angels charge over there, sigulizing it and
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: then either using that as a sigul or using it
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: to create a servital based on that sigual and see
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: what happens. Because in psalm magic in the like basically
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: in the sixth and seven Book and Moses, it teaches
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you how to use the psalm so magically. Right, so
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's in the Tellaheen, which is like the
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: like basically cabbalistic psalm magic. It will say that this
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: psalm is good for this or something. Right, So I
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: got rid it. You know, it's like my beard hairs
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: keep flicking up. But like you'll be like, okay, some
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: ninety one is for protection or whatever it is, right,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: so you'll take that psalm and sigulize it. Yeah, so
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: now you've got you can turn that into a symbol
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: which you then draw on the back of your phone case.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Right now, you've got some ninety one in the back
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: of your phone case. Or you can like get it tattooed,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: and no one's gonna know what the fuck it means from.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: You, especially nobody's gonna know that.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but like it's it's still tapping into the eggreggor. Right,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: So chaos magicians love eggreggles. So you see God as
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: an eggle, see the same I don't see the saints
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: in nigurgle. They get pissed off about that. That's the
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: one place where they told me like no, no, no,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: chaos magic way don't like we are. We're real fucking being,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: so don't try and turn us into someone else. But yeah,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you can. You can sigulize stuff. You can turn stuff
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: into servitors. You can you can turn stuff into that.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: You can make an egreggle or like you can use
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: that to fuel other workings. So like if you're making
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm guessing you've warded your house before
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: even magic. Yeah, you could like use that use a
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: farm in the ward.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask before and then you
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: ended up getting into it. Now when you mentioned something
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: about sigils. I was like, yo, you could probably take
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a sum or even like one of those lines, like
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: like you were saying before, if somebody wanted to use
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Hilda guard for you know, stones and crystals, take that
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: one line out of the litany and turn it into
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: his sigil, you know, and you know that is interesting.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I could see that fitting.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very well.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Actually, so you drive, get yeah, I'm guessing you drive, right,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: So here's a working for you, and get the Psalm
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: twenty three right. The lord is a shepherd I shall
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: not want. Yeah, so that is that can be used
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: as a road opening thing for clear roads. Turn that
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: into a cigul right as you as you're wait, this
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: is fucking sick, put your phone obviously on the GPS
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: thing as you're driving, draw that sigul in pen or
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: like in like a washaboard marker or like whiteboard marker
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: on your phone. So you're drawing the sigel literally over
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: the screen, so everywhere you're doing and charge the schedule
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: with intent or breath work or whatever. Right, So now
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: you've got a sigul. But when you're on your GPS,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: everywhere you go, the power of that is going with you.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Or you can draw it on a bit of paper, yeah,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, or you can draw it on sharpie on
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: your tires, right, if you draw it on GPS, if
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: you draw it on your GPS. So basically, like just
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: so you say, you've got like your thing here, so
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: this is where your car is. If you draw it
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: just in front of your car, right then you're driving,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the sigual is clearing the way before that. Do you
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: see what I mean?
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty cool, fucking cool.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Very practical. Yea, it's great, But like there's there's so
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: much stuff you can do, you know, I mean, you
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: could you could be like, all right, so I'm driving
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: from like somewhere to Connecticut, right, and you know the
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: route that you're going to take, So you print out
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: a map of the highway that you're going to take,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: and you draw the sigel all along it. So you basically,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: like you might, like if it's a straight line or whatever,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: you would do some math magic. So what you do
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: is and you then draw the sigual along the path
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and charge the sigual and be like i'mprotected the whole way. Cool.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of practical applications for this. So rather
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: than you like, you know, like praying the sound verse
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever over and over and over. Cool, right, Or
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: if you're into music, you into music, do you like
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: make music or anything?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I used to actually back in the days to make
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: yeah sick.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: All right. So basically what you can do is you
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: can get a sound verse like a road opening verse,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: break it down to you can you can code it
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: into a sidual blast that sigual into a piece of music,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: and then have that piece of music playing in your car,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: like buying your all beats. So you're playing that music
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: and it's opening it up, and you can turn it
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: up if you want. You can even turn it into
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: a silent track, you know what I mean. But you're
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: you're cranking it up as loud as you want, so
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: actually the frequency is being transmitted out there. You can
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: create servitors to to chant psalm verses. Right, Oh.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: That's interesting.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, there's so much you can do. The people
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: want to shut on the Bible, you know what I mean.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: But the thing. The thing is is that you can
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: do all this stuff with technology, Like we're we're blessed
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: with technology, right, But the thing is is that when
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: you delve into the more mystical side of Christianity, it
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: actually teaches you how to do like inner work. Right,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So when it says you know, the sacred heart of Jesus, yeah,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: so when you become that sacred heart of Jesus, technically
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you're then going to transmit that anyway. So you've become
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: you don't need to do magic anymore. It's what it's like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: permanent blessed conditions. Yeah. Yeah, so you don't actually need
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: to do that. And like, so, so you've got a
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: lot of people chasing magic, you know what I mean,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: always chasing magic, always chasing the next thing. And then
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you get to a point in life where you're like,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I don't need to do magic anymore because you've reached
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: that point where you've got permanently blessed conditions. Enemies bounce
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: off of you, everything goes away, you know what I mean,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Like you always have a parking space, everything works out.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: It's just constantly blessed conditions. And that's why a lot
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: of a lot of Christians who pray all the time
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and have tremendous amounts of faith do not need to
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: do magic because they live in permanently best conditions. They're
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: grateful like the whole attitude of gratitude thing. They're grateful
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: to God, they're grateful to the mean, the great energy
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: source that perveds around everything. And because they're in right
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: relationship with creation like chaos magic. I mean, they're not
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: trying to like rip apart reality anymore. They're living in
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: harmony with it, right. So where they're living in harmony
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: with this reality that is all about us, everything goes planned,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: its planned, it's smooth, I mean, because when you bring
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: things back to like for he Shall gives angels charge
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: over thee to keep in all their ways. Let's that's
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: fit against the stone. Right. If you see the angels
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: as the the sort of gatekeepers, if you will, right, well,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: I know, the gatekeepers, but like the wardens, they're going
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: to help you in all of your ways. You don't
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: even fucking need to call these angels anymore, you know,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: because the angels will just help you out because you're
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: in right relationship with the thing that they serve. Does
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: that make sense?
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So God is like knew Michael, there's someone going
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: to try and like x Robert Peter for having heretical
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: views on this, and there's going to be some like
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Christian fucking like fundamentalists. I mean, who are going to
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: try and attack him? Oh, because Robert Peter's not doing
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: anything wrong. Okandrew Michael's already there. I don't need to
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: protection ritual bam. I mean yeah cool, So yeah it's
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: pretty cool man.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, no, for sure. No, there is a lot
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: of stuff. I think people will be surprised. And you know,
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: and I've even come across at place of just being
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: in someone or magic or knowing like Christian mystics. Uh,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of some deep heavy ship in there
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: that can definitely be used in my opinion, for magic,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't think people
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: realize what could be found, like what's actually in there.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot, That's what I mean. They don't.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: The cipher is in the Bible, right, Christian says it.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: Christians christ of it for those advice to say and
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: it is to hear what I mean. So christ is
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: even saying, look at this ship, what the fuck are
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you want about? Like, stop looking at this like the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: way you're looking at it. Look at it for the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: eyes of a magician. Wake up. I mean, so, yeah,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: all some stuff cool, is.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: There anything else that you'd want to.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: I guess you talk about a cover or I mean
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: that was actually I mean it's only about an hour,
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: but that was a lot.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: But it's up to you. Yeah, keep going maybe.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The other one was quite contemplated, you know what
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I mean. I'm very passionate about this stuff, like this
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: is I fucking love this ship, so it just kind
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of flies out.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm obviously like knee deep in this stuff. So
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: is there anything would you be able to put into perspective,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: like as in like like three questions or five questions
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: or something like maybe quick fire around or whatever that
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: someone like listening to this might want to ask. Yeah,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: yeah that makes sense.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like wondering.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: I guess about like the you know, maybe for people
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: that are practicing I guess in other areas, can you
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: get like very ritualistic with this stuff? I'm assuming it
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: is to an extent, right.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Like I'd say one point of study to
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: start is obviously the Law's prayer, Right, so you dissect
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it our father who are in heaven, So you're like
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: calling to the deity like Kingdom come. So basically you're
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: calling it down like kingdom, come here now they will
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: be done. So as in make sure that like the
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: force of creations will is happening, but as in your
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: connective will not just the way of that, you know
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: what I mean, and dissect that line by line and
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: see how you can break it apart like magically into
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: like separate evocations and stuff and sort of. Yeah, see
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: if you can build a ritual on that, like start
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: with a white candle, start with some incense, and just
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: see what kind of see where you're led with that,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: you know, but through through the cipher of like for
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: those advice to see and it is to hear it.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Why it's just here and I see where it is. Yeah, yeah,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: you can definitely do that.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: There was one thing you mentioned earlier that I did
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: want to ask you about and totally forgot. I think
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: you know, I wasn't going to go back. I think
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: you said that there could be a lot of purification.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I wonder if maybe you can like touch on that
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit more by what you meant of that,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: because like I know, for myself, I don't know if
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing you were talking about, like purification.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: I would even do like certain ritual bands and even
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: purification of my ritual space before I would even decide
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: to try to contact these things or even my own like,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: I would do meditations to make sure I'm even right
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: in the head yep.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Is you know?
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: For you what were you getting at, like when you
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: said that there could be a lot of purification to
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: even working with angels or is that the result that
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: you're getting at the result of working with them?
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe that's what you meant. I wasn't sure.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's twofold, right. So when you it's like
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: if you're having a ship time, if you're like being
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: a negative gary, you know what I mean. You're walking
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: up to a bunch of people and you're like, oh,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: everything goes wrong, like my fucking kettle broke, sucking my
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: life through, right, And then you're around overtly positive people.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, what happens? You get uplifted? Man, Like, if
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: you come into contact with something you could like you
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: can go woo woo on it if you want, the
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: high vibration of frequencies of the angelic realms will uplift you.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah. No, right, fuck that ship
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: you're coming into contact with something that is gonna it's
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: gonna change you. Right. So by coming into contact with
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: a an extremely old, an extremely powerful eggregor that is
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: centered around the uplifting of the consciousness of the individual,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have some results. Right. So one of the
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: I guess a point like a warning, is that when
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: it comes to sort of things like the witchtoc would
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: understand it as like shadow work. Yeah, be prepared that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: when you come into contact with this stuff, you're going
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: to have some raw experiences. Right. You might like hear
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: something and just burst out into tears, you know. So
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: there's a there's something that that there's three words that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: are incredibly fucking powerful in any kind of contact, be
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: it with a spirit or human, mostly human is like
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I understand you, you know what I mean, Because ultimately
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: human beings want to be understood. And when we come
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: into contact with these higher beings or whatever, or these
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: saints or these people that have done the work, they
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: will probably understand you, and they will understand your pain,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: they will understand your suffering, they will understand where you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: came from, why you're here, why you want to do
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: that work, you know what I mean? And some people
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: they can't fucking take that, you know what I mean,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: Because they spend their entire lives like trying to be
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: understood that when they reach these people, like even other
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: occult practitioners, when you when you meet someone in your life,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: he turns around and says, like, I understand you. It's
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: so fucking powerful. So if you're approaching a current, you
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: know what I mean that says that I understand you,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: and especially one that has been like covered in hatred
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and covered in bigotry and misogynistic, fucking patriarchal dominance and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: all shit like that. And you actually come in contact
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: with the spirits of that and they turn around and say,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I understand you, As I said, like magic over here,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: church over here, Right, you find that acceptance in a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: place where you least expect to find it. It's fucking
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: powerful and it can set up a chain reaction and
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: if you're not ready for it, it will fucking put
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: you on your ass, all right. So I's warning to
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: anyone walking this three practical magic is great, and fucking
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: that practical magic right, As I said, the reason why
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: I do what I do is because I want to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: create change and do my shit right. But the thing
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: is is you're not ready for that purification that that's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: like deep level purification, you know what I mean. Like obviously,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: yeah you can do you can do all the other
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: stuff like baths and things like that, but as in,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: uh do if you go on my subsack, there's a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: postal becoming the archetype where I basically like taking like
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Catholic prayers and stuff for blessing and consecrating holy water
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and stuff. You can turn your entire bath into holy
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: water and lay in that, right, and it will strip
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: shitloads off here. Like it's it's basically a poor man's
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: like solomonic path, So you don't need to like take
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: out shares and lozenges like from saying all the psalms
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: and ship over the water. But like basically, yeah, it's
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: sucking nuts, like it just peel ship off you. Right.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: You might go to bed that night just a horning,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: red horning from the not from the wires, but from
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: the the experienced. You might go to bed that night
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: and have extremely unsettling dreams because if it's working on
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: the astral level, you know what I mean, Like you
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: know from the solomonic you probably practice solomonic magic yourself
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: when you do all the like hsup cleansing.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Bath and like, yeah, I was trying to look it up.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I swear to God, I just clicked on the window
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: to go look up the high sup prayer.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: I used to take there was a thing in the
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Bible that I used to use h and I literally
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: used high Sup. I would make like, yeah, I think,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I what is that ship that I use cheese cloth
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: or whatever.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: I'd make like my own little things and do.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: It in the beads and I'd use ice up and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: I'd literally like get in get in a bath of
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: ice up and other ship and I'd sit there and
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: and like do a ritual bed to meditate and ship
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: in the bed.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's the death. That's another thing as well. Obviously,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: when you do that prayer, like when you're confessing your
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: sins be forgot or whatever it is. When you're in
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: a bath, it says like there's a bit and it
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: says like I confess all my sins or whatever it is,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: especially this one, and the amount of people are spoken
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: to and they say they choke up when they get
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to that part because it's just them in a bath.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Tug you know what I mean, and they're like they
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: choke up because they don't want to they don't want
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: to say it like they might think.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: You know what I think becomes real when you actually
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: verbalize yeah, you're actually telling yourself like yeah, this is uh.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I think that's sometimes I do wonder if that's even
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: slightly part of like the psychological magic is that when
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: I think when you get into this stuff and if
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: you're being honest and you're really being truthful looking at yourself,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff you may actually verbalize becomes like
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: you have to look at that now because you just
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: fucking said like like again, that's a sin that I do, Like,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: I can't hide it because I just admitted it. You
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, I just admitted it to myself.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: There's not going back, my dude.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I want I want to run an experiment with you quickly, right,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: so whip up, I say a fifty five eleven on
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: on the Great Wizard that is.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: Google fifty five eleven mm hmm.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: And this this is also an experiment for everyone that's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: going to watch this, because I really want you to
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: use this as time to to connect with what I'm
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: about saatha there you said, wait, this was some fifty
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: five eleven. No, no, no, I say fifty five.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: It was. This one's pretty good.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Fun It's really funny because even even the name I sayer, right,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: I say ah, right, So r is A is a
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: pre as a suffix, which means of God. Yeah, so
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: e L means of God. So Raphael is like the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: healer of God. You know, I mean nick, I always
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: like strength God and so on and so forth. Whatever it is,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: all right, so a, so I say, he is basically
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: saying if you say, like, it's not real, yeah, I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: mean it's not proven baf. This is my like sort
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: of we will chaot magic theory. I say, ah of God,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: I say of God. Right, So when you look at
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I say fifty five eleven. Yeah, but if you if
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: you read read it, read read it out, and then
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: don't say anything after it, Okay, because I want to
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: want it.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: So shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: It shall not return to me void, but it shall
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: accomplish what I please, and it shall prosper in the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: thing for which I scented.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Right when you say that, if you then imagine in
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: your head that anything you say, is going to become manifest.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Look at the psychological state that pussu in right now. Now,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: think about when we carelessly speak right as chaos magicians
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: wherever it is, right, so I speak, yeah, so I create. Yeah,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: when you say that's it puts you into that state
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: of wall and you've got loads of people going to
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: do sigil magic I mean with stuff around. Right, So
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: if you do, let anyone listen to this, I implore you, right,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: if you do one thing, do this, recite I say,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: fifty five eleven, and then tap into the power of prayer,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: right because prayer, if you think about it's just verbal sigils.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's just verbal. So you've got yes,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you've got the whole thing of like those of our
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: advice to see whatever it is. That's a cipher.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Bam.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: It's like a mantra, all right, if you're gonna do
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: all that kind of shit, that's a mantra.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: So like I see in the spirit, or I see
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: in in the in the occult world, or like the
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: astral world. Right, cool, you can use that the astral
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: project as well, by the way, it's pretty sick or
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: like a remote view. Yeah, and then you do I
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: say fifty five eleven, So now you're seeing in the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: astral world. So it's like a switch, like a psychological switch,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's an MK ultra bullshit,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: as in that's your code word to go like full
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: M culture mode. Then do our say fifty five eleven.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Then do a prayer maybe and this is this is
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I'll sort of I leave it on this maybe to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Mary because Mary is is the goddess. Invoke the goddess,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: do an our father and a hell Mary, right, Maria,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: you just invoke the god and the goddess.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting because I used to kind of do that,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: but in a different sense I used to do. Did
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: you student are like I would use Hathorne isis a
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: lot or Mary?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was. Yeah, that's interesting.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I always picked the female for a lot of this,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: which is interesting.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh that's one last thing
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: very well. I want to say is that if you're
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: going to do syncretism, I'm more for it. Do whatever
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you want to do, right, but I beg you and
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I employee you once again, So when you're evoking this
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: ship for the first time, find your way to the syncretism.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: Don't automatically jump on this thing like, oh well, Mary's
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: like this goddess and Mary's like that goddess approach holds you.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: So if you met if I met you for the
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: first time and I was like, oh, you kind of
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: look like my friend from like ten years ago, and
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I started acting as if you were that friend, that
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: would be insulting.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: The way you put that. That's kind of yeah, because.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: Then because then it's like, so like, okay, so you
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: were born. Your entire life up to that point, it's
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: just been stripped away in a second because I recognized
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: that you look like someone else, you see what I mean?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: So I fuck it fucks with the spirit and the
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: spirit as I said, like, so if you went up
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: to Hill and Garden saying Hill gone, she's got such
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: a rich history. So you're saying, oh, saying hill gone,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you're like this other spirit.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: That I work with.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: And then she's like, I think you should breathe my litany, mate,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: because I'm way more than that, you know what I mean, Like,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: you're actually missing out on so much of what the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: spirit actually is.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Like please, no, I get that for sure.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing is that people are so like
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: because obviously they don't want to work with Christiani or whatever. Right,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: They're so quick to want to be seen as like
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: acceptable to their recult bros. And everyone else. Yeah, I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: mean that they're they're going to be like, oh, well,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: I only work with them because actually just Saint is
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: that person. Yeah, I mean, but there's so much more
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: power in getting to know that person as out.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: You just tell people I am practicing theater right now,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: and they getting into it specifically, just don't give a fuck,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: just be honest.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's true. Yeah, no, but I uh, I.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Even myself, I used to say on the show, even
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: from the beginning, if people just I mean, it would
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: probably be better if you did a little bit more.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: But I even said, if you just meditated and did
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: honest prayer work, I said, I.
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  Speaker 3: Think your life would get better.
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  Speaker 2: I do think that prayer is extremely powerful if you're
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  Speaker 2: being honest about it.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, it's because you're talking to reality yourself. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't matter what you say to like
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  Speaker 1: other people, you know what I mean, Like in that
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  Speaker 1: what it does because you're talking, That's what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: You're talking to other factors of reality. If you're looking
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  Speaker 1: things from like a content physics sort of thing, sort of,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it would be quntent physics, but you're talking
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  Speaker 1: to fractals of reality, so you're talking to God through
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  Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, if that makes sense. There's a quote
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  Speaker 1: and I've got a book. Yeah I'm saying that basically.
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  Speaker 1: I've got a book in the works and it's basically done,
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  Speaker 1: and it's about all the ship it's about like sort
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: of Christian chasmatic. But like there's a quote in it
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  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say it because like it's
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  Speaker 1: a fucking bomb dropper right at the end of the book. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing is is, like you know, like when
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  Speaker 1: we grow up or when you're growing up, Yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: your parents are cool and they're not our wholes, big
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  Speaker 1: shout out to all the cool parents in the world. Right,
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  Speaker 1: they teach you to like not chat shit, basically, to
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  Speaker 1: honor your word, to tell the truth, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. So if you start telling the truth, when
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  Speaker 1: you start approaching deity, you're going to be truthful, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Whereas if you're brought up to
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  Speaker 1: be deceitful and like all that stuff, you're going to
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  Speaker 1: try and bring that to what it's going to come
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  Speaker 1: to the deity on a certain level. So when I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about purification by doing I say a fifty five eleven, right,
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  Speaker 1: that's even a purification exercise because you come to honor
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  Speaker 1: the language that as soon as you say that if
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: you say a lie, right. So if I say I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: say five or eleven, and then I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I have like ten toes, right, chances are I'm not
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: going to manifest ten toes right, or or manifest another
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of toes on one foot. But you
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: might have a dream in which you grow toes on
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: that foot because you're not just talking on the physical plane,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: you're talking on the astral plane as well. You know.
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  Speaker 1: That's also oh yeah, that's no thing. That's why when
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: you do the Law's prayer you say that Kingdom come
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  Speaker 1: on the earth as it is in heaven, because basically
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying, did the source of reality is that
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  Speaker 1: you want those results to manifest on earth, not in
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  Speaker 1: the heavenly rms. Yeah, so yeah, there's so man but
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: but yeah, so the takeaway is to approach it with
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: not reverence. You just approach it with respect, like you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: should any anything. Even if you're going into a store
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: to buy some chewing gum, you should approach that like
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  Speaker 1: store with respect, it with an open mind, respect reality.
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  Speaker 1: I mean a lot of this is respect, Like it's
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: basic shiit, respect language, respect reality. And yeah, go and
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: talk to a bunch of dead people that did this
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  Speaker 1: ship way before or I didn't you did, And and
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: have fun. That's the most important part. And oh oh,
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  Speaker 1: one more thing. Please, for the love of God, do
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  Speaker 1: not get bogged down into this. I'm a fucking filthy
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: sinner bullshit. Right, like in the purification stuff, you will
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: do that purification that's between you and God, like you
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: in reality. But like even in like the hell Mary,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: you'll like forgive me. I don't know what was it,
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  Speaker 1: hew Mary for the gross alce or deeple I start
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  Speaker 1: that my women, Hell Mary, Mother of God, pray for
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: our sinners now at the hour of our death. Right
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: when it says sinners, they're basically saying, like, pray for
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  Speaker 1: us people who miss the mark. I mean, that's no
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: sin It's like someone that missed the mark, Like because
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: we miss the mark, you know what I mean? Like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: when it says like forgive me for all my sins.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: It's basically saying, like, forgive me for all the times
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  Speaker 1: I've missed the mark and been a fucking idiot.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Right, That's all it is. It's not it's not it's
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  Speaker 1: nothing too deep unless you've when you've missed the mark
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  Speaker 1: one time, it's been real bad, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: And like you'll know. You'll know if you've missed the
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  Speaker 1: mark real bad or if not, and that's that's between
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: you and whatever it is. That's for you to sort out.
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  Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, and this is another
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  Speaker 1: dangerous thing. Another warning is that when you start to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: say I'm sorry for this, right, or like forgive me
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: for this, reality sort of says, okay, I'm going to
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to REDI it.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So, if you've been in a relationship before with an
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: extremely toxic ex scale friend or ex boyfriend or x
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: like non binary person, right, keeping it light all good here,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: and you say I'm really sorry forgive me for that
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  Speaker 1: because I missed the mark, reality will give you a
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: chance to rectify that. So you better be ready for that.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: That thing to come around like language, like language might
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: be condensed into like emojis and shit now and basically
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: been pissed on the language as you know in hermeticism,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: both hermes, all of these deities that basically talk about
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: speaking things into existence, even rooms like Runic magic, you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. Actually, i'd say a natural progression
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: from Christianity, or if you want to sort of like
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: do stuff before you do Christianity, like Christian magic, learn
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: the rooms as you can see, I'm a big fan
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: of them. But like each individual room is like a
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: concept and everything else, so you can learn it so
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: you can respect each individual room and like sort of
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: understand where it comes from. And you in in Gada,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: which I practice as well, you don't chant that room
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  Speaker 1: unless you want something to happen, right, So you can
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: sort of like retro actively sort of say, well, I'm
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: not going to speak unless I want something to happen. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, m hmmm.
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  Speaker 3: I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that was great too. I really appreciate it. That
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  Speaker 2: was a good discussion too. Hell yeah, hell yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think we can we can leave it there.
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  Speaker 2: I think we can wrap it up now, would you like,
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  Speaker 2: would you like to let people know where they can
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: find your find your substick and find your Instagram or whatever.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as as previously mentioned, just a refresher, because that
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: was a lot like if you managed to get this
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: far about your brain being fried, sad play, hit me up,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: hit me up on Instagram at probably Peter Services, and
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a free ten minute reading if you've
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: managed to make it this far without your brain being fired,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: if you actually listened, I want I want to leave
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: five quotes from this podcast. Tell me that you listened.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so stack no hand path. You'll find some
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: of the information that I said here. I delved into
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: it a bit more. I do teach people as well,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: the magical arts and stuff like that. I do spell
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: work all that. Good ship. Yeah, so this is this
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: is my this is my thing I do so good.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome, man, I really appreciate that. If you want, I'll
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: even get I'll put your sub steckt down in the
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: in the show notes as well.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah sure. Oh one more thing. So Sam Ray
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  Speaker 1: can't be here tonight, so I'm going to shout out
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: Sam Ray as well. The Order of Tales. He's got
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: a mystery like Mystery School Slasha Cold School, so he
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: teaches like tarot and things like that sort of like
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: teaches more. I don't want to say orthodox Chales magic
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: because that's like oxymor.
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  Speaker 3: I can't see that.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but so is the Order of Chaos. So yeah,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: he basically teaches and right, so yeah double sere there
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: you go.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely because he's got multiple he's got multiple contributors
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: in that too in a sense.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, definitely check that out.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: And I know he's definitely interested in some of the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: more nerdy sign and stuff like me.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, just people to go check that out if
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: you if you can.
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  Speaker 2: And again, Robert, thank you so much for coming on
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: man that there really was. This two part series was
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: really interesting. I got to learn a lot. Left me
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: with thinking about a lot of ship too. That littany
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: stuff was I'm gonna start looking up saints now, just
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: see what they say about him.
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  Speaker 3: That's wild stuff. I thought.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I'll tell I'll tell you something off camera about that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: as well, behind the scenes secret.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. Nice.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that is the end of another Occult Rejects
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  Speaker 2: and until then I next one.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody be well later.