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UT Austin researchers help discover new dinosaur species · Austin Signal

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  The Hays Consolidated School
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  District voted unanimously in favor
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  of more than $12 million in budget
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  cuts ahead of the next school year.
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  It's the largest such budget slash
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  in more than a decade, and it's a
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  move other school districts could be
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  facing in coming years.
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  And there's not much known about the
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  tactics and technology used by Texas
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  state police and ICE agents to
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  detain people, but video from
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  a detention last summer in East
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  Austin is providing a better picture
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  of how enforcement operations
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  unfold.
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  More about these stories coming up
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  on today's show.
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  The Austin Signal is a production
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  of KUT News, hosted by
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  Jerry Quijano.
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  Plus, around a hundred million years
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  ago, a small baby dinosaur about
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  two years old died amid the harsh
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  landscape.
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  Fast forward a few years, and now
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  that little dinosaur is at the
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  center of an exciting new discovery.
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  Come hear about it, that's next
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  on Austin Signal.
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  Howdy out there, thank you for
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  tuning in to Austin Signal.
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  I'm your host, Jerry Keconnell, it
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  is Tuesday, March 31st, the
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  last day of the month.
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  Thanks for spending part of your day
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  here with us.
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  Last night, Hays Consolidated ISD
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  voted to cut 12 and a half million
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  dollars from its school budget for
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  next year.
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  What does that mean and how is that
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  gonna impact the county?
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  Well, for more, we are joined by
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  KUT's Hays County reporter, Lee
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  Walden. Lee, thanks for joining us
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  on the show.
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  Thanks for having me.
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  So, let's start first by talking
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  about a big thing I know
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  is that some educators will be
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  losing their job amidst
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  this job budget slash,
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  excuse me. Can you tell us more
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  about those proposed layoffs?
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  It was a tough meeting
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  to sit through.
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  There's going to be educator layoffs
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  and reclassifications and
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  job title changes throughout the
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  district.
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  They don't really have an exact
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  number of the number of instructors
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  that they're losing or
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  reclassifying.
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  They're trying to do as best a job
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  as possible to keep people within
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  the district, but we
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  like seven librarians are going to
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  be lost. Teachers are going to be
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  laid off and they've been having
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  those conversations slowly and I
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  think more information about that
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  will come out once they have a final
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  number of how many educators are
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  no longer going to have their
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  positions.
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  But yeah, it's kind of
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  going to be a big transition for the
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  district as they come to terms with
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  their new numbers.
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  Yeah, there will be a lot of
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  educators who lose their job and
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  there will a lot others who still
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  have their jobs but will be affected
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  in other ways. Tell us about those.
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  Yeah, there's going to be a
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  change in the stipends that
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  teachers receive.
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  For one thing, there
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  are stipends offered to teachers
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  within Hays CISD
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  for things like professional
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  degrees, so if you've got your
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  master's or your PhD.
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  So folks who have gotten used
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  to and been reliant on
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  that money being in their paycheck
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  are going to have to make
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  substantial adjustments next year
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  because it's several hundred dollars
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  a month and you know that adds up
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  over the course of a school year.
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  I talked to a teacher and
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  parent within Hays
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  Ruah Gleason, and she told me
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  that this is gonna be felt
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  for folks.
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  It's definitely reduces
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  their ability
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  to bring their paycheck
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  up just a tiny bit for their things
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  like their master's degree, their
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  doctor's degree which they've worked
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  very hard for, probably put
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  their families on the back burner,
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  probably taken student loans out.
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  So it seems really
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  really punitive and unfair.
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  Okay, Lee, what else do we know
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  about these budget cuts for next
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  school year?
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  Yeah, so another addition
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  to these budget cuts or, you know,
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  within this plan is fees for
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  sports.
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  So they're going to ask athletes,
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  student athletes to start to pay
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  fees to participate, something
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  that's been happening for folks who
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  are doing like fine arts
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  extracurriculars for years now.
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  So it's kind of a question
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  of equity at a certain point, too,
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  but fees for folks in sports,
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  they're cutting some arts programs.
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  And one of the particular issues...
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  Of interest, and that came up a
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  lot last night, was class sizes
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  being increased.
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  So they're going to have more
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  students to teachers across
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  the board.
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  So pre-K is
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  going to be 24 to 1.
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  Fifth grade is somewhere around
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  27, I believe, and then,
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  yeah, 6 through 12 are going to have
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  class sizes of around 30.
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  So it's a lot of kids in a
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  classroom, and I
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  think teachers and parents alike are
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  concerned about what those numbers
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  are going to look like.
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  In your reporting you talk about how
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  the way the district is funded is an
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  issue and how many folks or how
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  folks have proposed funding by
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  attendance instead.
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  Can you tell us how it's currently
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  funded?
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  Yeah, it's a little funky.
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  Texas is one of six states to be
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  funded on what's called average
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  daily attendance, or ADA,
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  instead of just enrollment.
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  So in most of the country,
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  districts are funded
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  based on the number of students
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  enrolled. But in Texas, they use
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  this equation where it's the number
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  students enrolled multiplied by
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  that ADA, that average daily
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  attendance, which in Hays, I mean,
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  it took a hit in the pandemic as
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  students I just lost some engagement
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  because of...
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  You know, online schooling and we're
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  taking time off because they were
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  getting sick.
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  So it's sitting around 93.7%,
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  but that around 6%
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  is deeply felt.
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  I talked to the HACISD
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  Chief Communications
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  official yesterday and
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  Tim Savoy was telling me that this
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  is something that, you know they've
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  been thinking about for years, but
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  it's especially pertinent as they
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  start to make these budget cuts.
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  Texas still funds on average
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  daily attendance.
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  And like I said, ours is 93.7,
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  but that doesn't mean we pay the
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  teacher 93.
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  7% of their salary and we
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  don't get to pay 93.
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  7% of the elected bill
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  for the school.
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  All the bills and expenses are 100%,
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  but we're not funded at 100%.
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  We have been speaking with Lee
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  Walden. She is KUT's Hays
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  County reporter.
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  We're going to have a link to her
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  reporting in today's show notes and
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  at kut.org slash
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  signal Lee. Thank you.
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  Thanks so much.
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  And in more education news,
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  Austin Independent School District
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  yesterday decided to close the
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  oldest operating elementary school
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  in Austin. That's Blackshear
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  Elementary.
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  The plan set for 2028
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  is to merge the Blacksheer campus
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  community with the more modern Oak
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  Springs Elementary.
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  We're gonna have more about that in
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  today's show notes.
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  Texas state police and ICE agents
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  last summer conducted an immigration
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  sweep in East Austin that resulted
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  in the detention of five workers
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  near a construction site.
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  The arrest sparked anger from
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  immigrant rights groups and raised
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  questions about due process and
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  police tactics.
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  Recently, the Texas newsroom
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  obtained police dash and body
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  cam video of the event through an
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  open records request.
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  As the Texas Newsroom's Moe's
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  Bouchelle reports, those videos
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  shed light on how police, and
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  federal agents.
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  Use traffic stops to pull people
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  into deportation proceedings,
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  and reveal Department of Public
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  Safety agents breaking state policy
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  on wearing face masks.
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  Early in the morning of July 31st,
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  State Trooper Ricky Cotto was
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  watching traffic on Pleasant Valley
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  Road in East Austin when he
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  spotted Gabriel Martinez Segura
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  driving a white Chevy van
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  to a drywall job.
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  Cotto later said the van's front
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  license plate looked out of place.
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  Driver, can you hear me?
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  Can you pull forward?
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  We're kind of blocking the road.
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  Within about 11 minutes
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  of being stopped, Martinez Segura
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  and the four other occupants
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  of the van were in handcuffs and
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  turned over to ICE.
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  During the time in between, the
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  videos show Cotto treating the
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  encounter like a normal traffic stop
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  with Martinez Segur, well,
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  back in his police car.
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  I need somebody at my location right
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  away.
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  I got a van with four to five.
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  He was requesting backup and
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  planning how to detain the men over
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  his radio.
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  So the right side of the vehicle is
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  accessible to the fence that
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  leads into the work site.
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  So when we come up, we're going to
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  have to block it.
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  When more officers arrive, some
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  wearing ski masks or other face
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  coverings, their vests bear the
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  markings of state DPS agents,
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  ICE and ATF.
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  After the men from the van are taken
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  away, the recordings show officers
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  dealing with paperwork like the
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  traffic citation.
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  Give ice a copy.
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  Congratulations each other on the
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  operation, at one point Cotto calls
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  it a jackpot and explains
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  how he pulled the men over.
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  Improperly placed plate and I
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  do it every time better no
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  traffic
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  and interacting with the public.
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  At the very end, a construction
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  worker asked Cotto if he was the
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  one who reported the men to ICE.
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  You call ICE?
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  Yes. You call ICE?
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  Take it?
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  To which the trooper replies,
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  Highway Patrol don't stop anybody
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  except for traffic violations.
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  I just want to stop anybody from
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  having traffic violations, that's
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  it.
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  I got nothing to do, really gotta
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  stop.
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  That's it,
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  I've got nothing to do with the
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  other stuff.
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  But a statement provided by the
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  Texas Department of Public Safety
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  contradicts that.
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  It says that Cotto was working with
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  a Homeland Security strike team when
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  he pulled the men over and that,
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  quote, During the stop, the trooper
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  was unable to verify the identity
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  of the driver through DPS databases,
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  so they contacted HSI.
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  HSI is Homeland Security
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  Investigations, a division of
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  ICE.
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  What is so interesting about this
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  particular video is the exact
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  same types of collaboration
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  that we used to see along the border
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  has now moved to the
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  interior.
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  Kristin Eder is policy director
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  for the Texas Immigration Law
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  Council, one of the experts we asked
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  to review the videos.
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  She says they highlight the speed
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  and relative quietness
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  of these operations in states
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  like Texas where local and
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  state police partner with ICE
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  agents.
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  So one out of every four
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  immigration apprehensions in the
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  country is happening in Texas.
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  So while we might not have the
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  big kind of occupations that
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  we see in Minneapolis,
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  Chicago, LA, we
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  are doing that type
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  of disappearance at
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  a much larger scale in
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  a very quiet way.
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  Ian Adams, a former police officer
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  and professor of criminal justice at
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  the University of South Carolina,
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  said the videos show an almost
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  textbook example of cross-agency
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  partnerships, including the
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  close communication between
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  agencies, the speedy arrival of
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  backup, the preoccupation with
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  paperwork, and even the officer's
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  celebratory tone after the arrest.
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  What comes to mind is, for example,
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  fugitive task forces
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  Both Adams and Etter said some
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  of the police tactics on display
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  might surprise the general public,
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  but are actually pretty standard
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  practice from the use of what's
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  called pretextual traffic
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  stops.
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  Pretextual stops just
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  means I'm going to
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  stop somebody for a violation I've
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  actually observed.
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  And maybe I'll also
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  keep my eyes out for, you
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  know, other suspicious or possibly
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  criminal activities.
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  An officer allowing a
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  suspect to believe the stop was
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  about one thing when it's really
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  about something else.
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  All law enforcement, including state
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  and federal law enforcement
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  officers, are allowed
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  to use trickery, lies,
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  and deceit to gain cooperation,
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  confession.
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  Admissions.
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  In response to email questions,
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  Texas Department of Public Safety
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  spokesperson Sheridan Nolan wrote
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  that the operation last year was
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  part of a state and federal
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  partnership that is making our state
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  safer. Though Kristen Eder notes,
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  none of the men arrested were
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  charged with criminal offenses.
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  The DPS declined an interview
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  request with state trooper Ricky
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  Cotto.
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  Cotto did not wear a
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  mask during the operation, but
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  some state police agents did.
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  When emailed about the agent's face
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  masks, Nolan replied that
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  it is not DPS practice
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  to conceal identities,
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  and the use of face-concealing masks
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  by criminal investigations
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  division's special agents, as shown
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  in the video, is specifically
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  prohibited.
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  He wrote that each agent will be
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  counseled and their chain of command
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  will be making it clear face
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  coverings should not be worn on duty
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  unless for reasons outlined in
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  policy.
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  Again, Ian Adams.
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  When the police start believing
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  that policing needs to be hidden,
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  that sort of attacks the
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  trust that the community can have.
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  I think professionally a lot of
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  officers themselves have concerns
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  about it because
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  The operation documented in these
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  videos did not involve the City
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  of Austin police department, but
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  the videos are coming out as Austin
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  announces new policies over how
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  to manage city officers'
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  interactions with ICE, and Austin
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  City Council considers new rules
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  banning all law enforcement from
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  using face coverings while in the
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  city. For Austinites and other
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  Texans in cities that oppose the ICE
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  surge, these videos are a
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  reminder that regardless of local
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  policy state police
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  have been in power to enforce
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  immigration law anywhere in Texas.
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  In fact, in the months since these
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  arrests, they've been given greater
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  powers to make immigration
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  apprehensions.
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  Again, Kristin Eder.
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  It's safe to assume that any
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  time law enforcement is involved,
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  there is a risk of immigration
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  detention.
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  One unanswered question is
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  what happened to the men detained
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  that day.
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  Where nationality was included in
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  the arrest records, the men were
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  listed as being from Mexico.
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  ICE did not respond to repeated
• 14:10
  requests for information.
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  Austin Immigrant Advocacy Groups and
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  the Mexican Consulate in Austin said
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  they had no information.
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  But there is some indication the men
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  may have been removed from the
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  country.
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  Federal records made available by
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  the Deportation Data Project
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  show that five men with Mexican
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  citizenship were booked into an
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  ice holding room in Austin at
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  10 a.m.
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  On the same morning that the East
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  Austin operation took place.
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  While the records do not include
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  names, they indicate that all
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  five of them were ultimately
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  deported.
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  For the Texas Newsroom, I'm Mose
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  Buchele.
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  And we're gonna have a link to
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  Mose's story in today's show notes
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  and at kut.org
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  slash signal.
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  This is Austin Signal.
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  We will be back after a break.
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  This is Austin Signal, welcome back.
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  Around a hundred million years ago,
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  a small, possibly fuzzy baby
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  dinosaur, about two years old,
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  died amid its harsh landscape.
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  Fast forward a few hundred years
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  or so, and that little dinosaur is
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  now the center of an exciting new
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  discovery in Korea involving
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  researchers from the University of
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  Texas at Austin.
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  It's called the Doolysaurus
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  and it's being held as a new species
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  of baby dinosaur.
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  Two of the researchers among those
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  who made this discovery spoke with
• 15:31
  Texas Standard recently, Jongyun
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  Jung, a visiting postdoctoral
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  researcher at UT's Jackson School
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  of Geosciences, and Julia
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  Clark, a professor at the Jackson
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  School. They spoke with the
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  Texas Standard host, Angela
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  Kocherga.
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  So when did you realize you had
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  a new species and how did
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  you feel at that moment?
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  Yeah, actually my research
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  background was the fossil footprint
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  and concept of their footprints
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  and tracks.
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  But yeah, I'm always dreaming to
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  finding new dinosaur species by
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  my hands.
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  So after we excavated these dinosaur
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  fossils and scanning this specimen,
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  we figured out very different
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  character with other dinosaur
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  species.
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  And yeah, this is the one
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  of the very important moments in my
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  life.
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  I would, you know, I'm going to add
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  to that, I'll just say that
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  figuring out whether you have a new
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  species, it might be
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  interesting to know, is not
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  an easy process
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  because you have to compare the
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  attributes of the new specimen,
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  the new skeleton,
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  to all other known
• 16:40
  dinosaurs. And there
• 16:41
  are different datasets that help you
• 16:43
  do that, but it's like You
• 16:46
  have to look at every bump on every
• 16:48
  bone, at the characteristics of
• 16:50
  every part of the skull
• 16:52
  to make
• 16:54
  sure that you don't have another
• 16:55
  representative of
• 16:57
  a previously described species.
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  So when we finally had
• 17:03
  that evidence and we could clearly
• 17:05
  say that this was a new species.
• 17:08
  Yeah, it was a very exciting moment.
• 17:09
  I mean, given this is the first a
• 17:11
  new dinosaur species
• 17:13
  described from Korea in how many
• 17:15
  years is it Jung-Yoon?
• 17:17
  After 15 years.
• 17:19
  In 15 years.
• 17:19
  Years. So it's pretty remarkable.
• 17:22
  Well, I know much of the research
• 17:23
  around this fossil was done
• 17:25
  there at UT Austin.
• 17:27
  Dr. Clark, can you share a bit about
• 17:28
  the role of the geosciences
• 17:30
  department there and what
• 17:32
  it did in undertaking this study?
• 17:35
  Yeah, it's
• 17:37
  It's been a really fun collaboration
• 17:39
  and I'll go
• 17:41
  back a little bit further in time.
• 17:42
  I was visiting Korea to
• 17:44
  give a seminar at
• 17:46
  the home university of the Korean
• 17:48
  Dinosaur Center and
• 17:50
  Jongyun and his colleagues
• 17:52
  showed me the fossil in
• 17:54
  the block and I was like, wow,
• 17:56
  that's very cool, but I can't tell
• 17:57
  what it is.
• 17:59
  And I could see that this rock was
• 18:01
  really, really hard and
• 18:03
  the bones actually softer than the
• 18:05
  surrounding rock.
• 18:07
  And so I was like, this
• 18:09
  is a great candidate for
• 18:11
  CAT scanning or CT scanning,
• 18:13
  using X-rays to see inside
• 18:15
  the block.
• 18:16
  And so, I invited Dr.
• 18:19
  Jung and his colleagues to come to
• 18:21
  UT and we would CT
• 18:23
  scan the fossil.
• 18:24
  And I think that's where we had like
• 18:27
  the totally crazy aha
• 18:29
  moment where
• 18:31
  you know, Dr. Jung and colleagues
• 18:34
  were looking inside the block and
• 18:36
  they're like, we have a skull.
• 18:38
  And that was just very cool.
• 18:41
  Dr. Clark, since, as
• 18:43
  we mentioned, this is being hailed
• 18:44
  as a new species of baby dinosaur,
• 18:47
  tell us about what this discovery
• 18:49
  means to our evolving understanding
• 18:51
  of the dinosaur world.
• 18:54
  Yeah, it's very cool.
• 18:55
  You have, essentially,
• 18:57
  in the Korean Peninsula, a
• 18:59
  chance to sample Far
• 19:01
  East Asian dinosaurs from
• 19:03
  this really key time interval,
• 19:05
  which is this mid-Cretaceous
• 19:08
  time.
• 19:09
  And this is a time period where
• 19:11
  there's a lot of exchange between
• 19:13
  what we now, you know, Eurasia
• 19:15
  and North America.
• 19:17
  And so what is really
• 19:19
  neat about the new species is
• 19:21
  it samples part
• 19:23
  of a lineage that has
• 19:26
  representatives both in North
• 19:27
  America during this time period and
• 19:29
  Asia, but it fills in kind
• 19:31
  of another piece of that story.
• 19:33
  It tells us more about the
• 19:35
  connections between those species on
• 19:37
  these two, what are today, you know,
• 19:40
  very distant continents.
• 19:42
  Tell us what this dinosaur looks
• 19:44
  like. You mentioned it's a baby,
• 19:46
  but what some of the characteristics
• 19:48
  are?
• 19:50
  Well, the first thing I'd
• 19:52
  mention is that this
• 19:54
  dinosaur would fit on your desk.
• 19:56
  It's a desk-sized dinosaur.
• 19:59
  You know, it's comfortably,
• 20:01
  you know, maybe the size of
• 20:03
  a small dog or
• 20:05
  a large cat,
• 20:07
  you know.
• 20:08
  So it's not a particularly large
• 20:09
  animal. Of course, dinosaurs are not
• 20:11
  closely related to mammals.
• 20:13
  They are, you know,
• 20:15
  birds are living dinosaurs.
• 20:18
  Other parts of the group of
• 20:20
  dinosaurs that this, that
• 20:21
  Doolysaurus is a part of,
• 20:23
  were fuzzy.
• 20:25
  And so we don't have fuzz preserved
• 20:27
  in the actual fossil in
• 20:29
  this case, but we know that
• 20:31
  relatives of Dulis was fuzzy.
• 20:34
  And Jung Yoon, what do you
• 20:36
  hope to learn more about
• 20:38
  when it comes to this dinosaur?
• 20:40
  Actually, this site, we also
• 20:42
  find many dinosaur egg fossils,
• 20:44
  including bird eggs also.
• 20:46
  So we're expecting much more diverse
• 20:48
  dinosaurs will live in this site.
• 20:51
  And maybe we're also
• 20:52
  we're expecting finding new
• 20:54
  dinosaur fossils in this side.
• 20:57
  So, Dr. Jung, we're calling it
• 20:58
  Doolysaurus, but tell us about the
• 21:00
  species.
• 21:01
  This species' name is Doolysaurus
• 21:03
  hominae and is named
• 21:05
  after Professor Minha from Korea
• 21:07
  who excavated the first dinosaur
• 21:10
  nest fossil in this site and
• 21:11
  also worked
• 21:14
  on various paleontological
• 21:16
  projects of Korea over 30
• 21:18
  years.
• 21:19
  Yeah, to add to Dr.
• 21:21
  Jung's comments, the full
• 21:24
  name of this dinosaur is
• 21:25
  Doolysaurus homini,
• 21:28
  as he mentioned.
• 21:30
  And what it references,
• 21:32
  what I'd like to call out as
• 21:34
  a key contribution,
• 21:36
  another key contribution of
• 21:38
  Dr. Homin,
• 21:40
  is working
• 21:42
  to preserve fossil sites
• 21:43
  in Korea.
• 21:45
  So, he's been very active
• 21:47
  in...
• 21:48
  The UNESCO mission to
• 21:50
  preserve geoparks and those
• 21:52
  include a lot of the sites in
• 21:54
  Korea with these amazing trackways
• 21:57
  and egg fossils and
• 21:59
  it's just been really
• 22:01
  wonderful to see that effort to
• 22:03
  conserve paleontological sites.
• 22:05
  Well, this is all so fascinating and
• 22:07
  all so fun, and I'm a huge dinosaur
• 22:10
  fan, like so many people,
• 22:11
  so we really appreciate all of your
• 22:13
  research.
• 22:14
  We've been speaking with Julia
• 22:15
  Clark, a professor at UT Austin's
• 22:17
  Jackson School of Geosciences,
• 22:19
  and Jongyun Jung, a post-doctoral
• 22:21
  researcher at the school, about the
• 22:23
  discovery of the Doolysaurus,
• 22:25
  a brand new baby dinosaur
• 22:27
  species.
• 22:28
  Julia, Jongyun, thank you again for
• 22:30
  joining us on The Texas Standard.
• 22:34
  Pleasure.
• 22:35
  And you can have a peek at the
• 22:37
  Dualisaurus yourself.
• 22:38
  There's a link in the show notes for
• 22:40
  today's podcast and at
• 22:42
  kut.org slash
• 22:44
  signal. That is it for today's
• 22:47
  show. Rayna Sevilla is our technical
• 22:49
  director, Kristen Cabrera is
• 22:51
  our managing producer, and
• 22:53
  I'm your host Jerry Quijano.
• 22:54
  We will be back with you tomorrow.
• 22:57
  Have a great day.