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How To Create Your Own Reality with Julie Stevens · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Trauma Nevers Podcast, a show about the
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Speaker 2: incredible people dedicated to helping those who experienced trauma. My
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Speaker 2: name is Got macpherson, and my mission is to raise
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Speaker 2: awareness of trauma and to inspire each of us to
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Speaker 2: help those around us. Are you ready all right?
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Speaker 3: Lea?
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Speaker 2: So five or three, two and one, our folks, welcome
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Speaker 2: back to the podcast. I am thrilled to have this,
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Speaker 2: Mica said, Hey, Julie Stevens, Julie.
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Speaker 4: Welcome, Thank you, Thank you guy.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome.
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Speaker 2: So Julie grew up in southern California and moved to
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Speaker 2: the San Francisco bar area at thirteen to live with
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Speaker 2: their two moms during a time of profound social tia
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Speaker 2: change marked by the civil rights, women's rights, and the
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Speaker 2: LGBTQ movements. Amidst this vibrant atmosphere, really struggled with her
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Speaker 2: identity and turned to drugs and alcohol to cope with
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Speaker 2: her early family turbulence. However, her community, including her mom's
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Speaker 2: grandmother and mentors, played a crucial role in helping her
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Speaker 2: find confidence and purpose. Her mother's advice was this, if
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Speaker 2: this isn't working for you, then create your own reality.
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Speaker 2: It inspired Julie to build a community centered on equity, diversity,
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Speaker 2: and inclusion. With the background in hospitality and entrepreneurship, she
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Speaker 2: studied various healing modalities, realizing that Sharon these gifts was
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Speaker 2: part of her mission. In twenty fifteen, July founded the
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Speaker 2: Urban Retreat Center to offer a space where ancient earth
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Speaker 2: based practices are accessible to those seeking healing and connection.
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Speaker 1: Awesome, welcome.
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Speaker 2: Before we get go in here, share with our listeners
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Speaker 2: where you're from originally and where you are currently.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so originally I was born in Brussels, Tium and
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Speaker 5: grew up in southern California, and I live in the
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Speaker 5: Bay Area.
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Speaker 2: I live in Oakland, I was living I just moved
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Speaker 2: from Oakland like three years ago, living in the Bay
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Speaker 2: Area and living We could talk about that later.
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Speaker 6: So I came across you and your work, and you know,
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Speaker 6: just something stood out to me about what you're doing
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Speaker 6: and you and your message, and uh, you're you're growing up.
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Speaker 2: Uh, so, how did all this start for you? I
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Speaker 2: know we touched up, touched and talked about a little
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Speaker 2: bit about it in the bio, but.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this this work, I.
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Speaker 5: Sort of say, you know what, I accidentally fell into
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Speaker 5: it accidentally on purpose.
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Speaker 4: It started with.
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Speaker 5: A good friend of mine introducing me to a Pruvian shaman, right,
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Speaker 5: And that was back in two thousand and seven. And
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Speaker 5: she I trusted her, as you know, your best friend,
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Speaker 5: You're like, whatever you have, I'm going to try it.
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Speaker 5: And she knew my story right, and the traumas and
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Speaker 5: PTSD stuff about my youth. And she said her cousin
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Speaker 5: was coming from Peru and she's a shaman and she
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Speaker 5: works with this plant medicine and did I want to
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Speaker 5: try it?
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Speaker 4: And just briefly.
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Speaker 5: Going back, I had a very I had a history
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Speaker 5: with drug abuse, and I was a little scared, so
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Speaker 5: I you know, I went into this trepidaciously and doing
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Speaker 5: the first during the first sit with this medicine, I
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Speaker 5: was like, ah, I'm home. I felt this like deep
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Speaker 5: sense of peace in my body and safety that I
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Speaker 5: had never I think I hadn't really experienced that since
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Speaker 5: I was maybe five or six years old where I
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Speaker 5: was free, and it kept you know, like every time
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Speaker 5: she'd come back to the bay, I would sit with her.
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Speaker 5: And it's been a long you know, there's many things
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Speaker 5: in between, but that's how it started. And it expanded
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Speaker 5: from growing up with my grandmother, my dad's mom, who
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Speaker 5: was a seer, and she did this thing called running
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Speaker 5: energy and it was hands on healing, and.
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Speaker 4: I was like, wow, this is she.
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Speaker 5: Was helping me make sense of the things that I
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Speaker 5: was seeing that other she said other people weren't seeing
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Speaker 5: and so I feel like the medicine kind of connected that.
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Speaker 5: And then other things along the way, and my healing
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Speaker 5: started to you know, it was like if they were
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Speaker 5: layers were starting to come out come off of me.
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Speaker 2: So okay, wow, your in the bio talk about growing
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Speaker 2: up troubles with your identity and not knowing how to
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Speaker 2: deal with that, but you had this would sound like
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Speaker 2: this group of people, you could walk us through that.
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Speaker 1: What was going on? How did it play out? Where
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Speaker 1: did the yeah, where did the tension come for you?
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Speaker 4: The tent Well, I'll go back. I grew up.
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Speaker 5: In a traditional heterosexual family until I was six.
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Speaker 4: My mom and dad were married and.
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Speaker 5: My mother came out as a lesbian during the seventies
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Speaker 5: and she was like, oh, I found myself. Well, Dad
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Speaker 5: didn't like that very much, and so he banned my
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Speaker 5: mother from seeing my brother and I for three years.
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Speaker 5: So I was separated from her for three years and
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Speaker 5: it was very traumatic. I really have no memories of
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Speaker 5: that time still to this day.
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Speaker 4: And so that.
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Speaker 5: Was like the first one of the first big wounds
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Speaker 5: to my nervous system, to my body, and it just
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Speaker 5: kept you know, you start feeling like you don't have
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Speaker 5: an identity, why did this parent figure leave you? And
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Speaker 5: so you start to you know, your nervous system is
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Speaker 5: there to protect you, so you do the things that
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Speaker 5: you think are going to be safe.
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Speaker 4: So that's where the alcohol and the drugs came in.
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Speaker 5: And you know, trading my body for sex and just
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Speaker 5: not valuing myself is what how that played out in
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Speaker 5: my life.
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Speaker 4: And then we moved.
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Speaker 5: Eventually I got to see my mom again and live
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Speaker 5: with her, and in the period from nine to fourteen,
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Speaker 5: I saw her in atenly on the weekends or whenever
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Speaker 5: my dad said it was okay. He was a big
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Speaker 5: military man, and he threatened her that you have no money,
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Speaker 5: you're a lesbian, and this is you're never going to
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Speaker 5: see your children. So eventually we got to see her again,
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Speaker 5: and then we moved to the Bay Area, and I
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Speaker 5: was like, holy cow, it's a whole different thing. I'd
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Speaker 5: never seen a person in a wheelchair. I'd never seen
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Speaker 5: a person that was large, right. I wasn't mixed. It
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Speaker 5: was very homogeneous white. So I'm going to school now
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Speaker 5: with kids of color and queer kids and all kinds
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Speaker 5: of differently abled humans. And I was I was confused,
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Speaker 5: you know, from growing up in that little shelter.
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Speaker 4: So that's a little backstory during that.
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Speaker 2: Time, Julie, were there any Did you try to get
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Speaker 2: like help or healing? Yes, you were coping in one way.
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Speaker 2: Was that a conscious way to deal with what was
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Speaker 2: going on for you or you just.
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Speaker 4: Like I don't think I was conscious?
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Speaker 5: Guy. I would say that was like overdrive, like survival mode.
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Speaker 5: And my mom knew enough to have me in therapy.
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Speaker 5: And I remember telling this therapist when I was fourteen
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Speaker 5: that I felt like I was walking around and I
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Speaker 5: was in a movie and everybody could see me, or
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Speaker 5: every I could see everybody, but they couldn't see me.
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Speaker 5: And years later come to find out that's disassociation. And
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Speaker 5: so I was way just not not present in this body.
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Speaker 5: It wasn't safe for me to be present in this body.
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Speaker 5: And so then I you know, my healing started from therapy,
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Speaker 5: like little.
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Speaker 4: Increments at a time. As I grew up, not really
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Speaker 4: a young adult. I am surprised. I knew I was.
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Speaker 4: I thought I wasn't going to live till I was thirty.
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Speaker 2: Was there a particular point at which things started to
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Speaker 2: click for you in terms of healing.
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Speaker 4: A certain point when it started to do.
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Speaker 2: Was there a person you mentioned that shaman. That sound
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Speaker 2: like an amazing experience.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean moving, you know, skipping forward into my adulthood.
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Speaker 5: I'll say my spiritual kind of breakthrough breakdown point was
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Speaker 5: in twenty sixteen, and I had been doing the plant
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Speaker 5: medicine maybe once or twice a year and finding these
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Speaker 5: profound messages from God, consciousness or what have you. And
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Speaker 5: my mother got diagnosed with Alzheimer's and we were like
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Speaker 5: super close, right, And I owned this very busy hair
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Speaker 5: salon for thirteen years, and I was juggling all the
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Speaker 5: balls and when that happened, I just it was literally
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Speaker 5: I felt like there was like an ape or something
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Speaker 5: on my chest or an elephant. And I remember calling
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Speaker 5: my manager from maybe five hundred yards away from my
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Speaker 5: salon in my car in the parking lot and saying,
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Speaker 5: I think I'm having.
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Speaker 4: A heart attack. Oh well, I think.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna have I didn't know what was to come.
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Speaker 5: I had suffered TBI in my life, so that's another
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Speaker 5: thing that I've healed myself from with this plant medicine.
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Speaker 5: But with that being said, I didn't know was my
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Speaker 5: brain gonna bleed or long story short. I ended up
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Speaker 5: going to the emergency hospital. They put all these things
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Speaker 5: on you, and I wasn't having a heart attack, thank goodness.
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Speaker 5: I was having a major panic attack. And I knew
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Speaker 5: that I had to do something and quadruple down on
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Speaker 5: my self care, my spiritual care, my emotional care if
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Speaker 5: I was going to make it through this life in
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Speaker 5: this body. And that's when the breaking point, the breakthrough
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Speaker 5: point came for me, one of the main ones, and
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Speaker 5: I began to really I started doing cranio, having cranioseacral
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Speaker 5: therapy to help heal my brain, and I became certified
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Speaker 5: in it to help other people, and all of those
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Speaker 5: messages that had been happening in my life, were like, oh,
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Speaker 5: that's why that happened, like these little bubbles of aha,
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Speaker 5: and they started to click into place, and the messages
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Speaker 5: were not about just healing me, but then how am
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Speaker 5: I going to I'm here for a greater purpose? And
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Speaker 5: how am I going to to help others that are
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Speaker 5: inflicted or their lessons are about you know, trauma and
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Speaker 5: PTSD And then all of the you know, all if
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Speaker 5: these are my worlds all around me, they started to
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Speaker 5: merge the healing, the plant medicine, the talk therapy, the
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Speaker 5: cranio sacral, the hands on healing, and so I you know,
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Speaker 5: it took me some years to figure out, like how
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Speaker 5: am I gonna what am I gonna call myself? You know,
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Speaker 5: it's a big like what's the languaging around this?
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 4: Geez?
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Speaker 1: So was that the beginning of the Urban Retreat Center right.
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Speaker 4: Around that time?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, around the time.
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Speaker 5: And I remember this this person who's a Zen Buddhist nun,
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Speaker 5: my shaman person called me and said, hey, this this
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Speaker 5: human is an amazing member of our community and she
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Speaker 5: wants to know if you'll if you can sit with
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Speaker 5: her for a all day medicine Retreat and I was like,
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Speaker 5: oh my god, Okay, yes there was there was a
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Speaker 5: little hesitation, but.
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Speaker 4: Not much, and that just I was like, I have landed.
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Speaker 4: This is I'm here to do.
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Speaker 5: And and it dropped down from like this place of
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Speaker 5: thinking about it and figuring it out to like into
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Speaker 5: my body and it was like that light went off.
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Speaker 5: And so that's one of the main things.
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Speaker 1: That I do here.
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Speaker 4: Is helping people with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, that's what an incredible story. What an incredible.
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Speaker 2: And a invergence and knowing right about who you are
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Speaker 2: and your purpose. I think so many of us wish
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Speaker 2: we had that conviction and purpose. So you have, Uh.
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Speaker 2: I know you have a program coming up. We're going
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Speaker 2: to talk about that, but just give give our listeners,
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Speaker 2: uh a thumbnail of what do you do at the
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Speaker 2: Urban Retreat Center?
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Speaker 5: Well, that's that's a good question. What I do at
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Speaker 5: the Urban Retreat Center? When I bought the when I
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Speaker 5: bought this house, I was very blessed to, you know,
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Speaker 5: have the down payment and get that going. I started
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Speaker 5: to get messages that were about like this this piece
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Speaker 5: of land, which is a lonely ouchin land, is for community.
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Speaker 5: It's always been for community. Before the houses and everything.
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Speaker 5: We're here, so we're gonna help you, and we're going
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Speaker 5: to show you places, digging out the fire pit, making
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Speaker 5: a water feature, putting in a hot tub, like all
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Speaker 5: of these things. I wasn't sure how they all fit in,
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Speaker 5: but I was going on faith. And then people started coming,
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Speaker 5: and every my shaman friend would come, and people would
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Speaker 5: come and sit in medicine.
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Speaker 4: And as I told you before, the Buddhist.
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Speaker 5: Nun had came to sit with me, and I started
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Speaker 5: like expanding what my human brain could really comprehend and
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Speaker 5: think of as to like, oh, okay, what what do
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Speaker 5: y'all want this to be? Because it's our community space.
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Speaker 5: So now I do group plant medicine ceremonies. I work
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Speaker 5: with one on one clients for day day long plant
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Speaker 5: medicine healing, which can include hands on as well healing.
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Speaker 5: I do women's moon circles and fires. And I also
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Speaker 5: host people who are in the spiritual healing, you know,
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Speaker 5: whether it's art therapy or uh making like herbal tinctures
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Speaker 5: to heal your body. I host teachers who come and
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Speaker 5: lead workshops. So it's a period of things.
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Speaker 1: You also said you had a three month program coming up.
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Speaker 4: What is that specifically, I'm really excited about that.
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Speaker 5: I'm glad you asked. So this is called this is
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Speaker 5: like my I'm so excited about this program. It's it's,
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Speaker 5: like I said, bringing all of the modalities that I've
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Speaker 5: been gifted with knowing. It's called Homecoming and it's a
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Speaker 5: twelve week program that is an online.
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Speaker 4: Group course or often you.
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Speaker 5: Know what people are calling their teachings and learnings and
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Speaker 5: all the all the things. And it's based on five
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Speaker 5: of the messages that I've that I've been downloaded from
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Speaker 5: spirit around healing the nervous system, right, So it's it's
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Speaker 5: practical and its theory. So it's like one session will
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Speaker 5: be about like what is this and how does the
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Speaker 5: nervous system work? And how am I? Why am I
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Speaker 5: processing this and having these symptoms in my body? And
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Speaker 5: then the following week will be about, Okay, here is
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Speaker 5: the tool and we practice it.
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Speaker 4: I teach it to.
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Speaker 5: Them, we practice it. And the last I think one
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Speaker 5: of the last sessions is around integrating these tools into
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Speaker 5: your daily practice, right, so you can build that up
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Speaker 5: and have what I call the tool belt and practice
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Speaker 5: these things. So it's not just in an emergency situation.
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Speaker 5: And then in the middle of the program, I'm hosting
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Speaker 5: a one day it's going to be a VIP plant
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Speaker 5: medicine in person, and so the participants will come to
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Speaker 5: I'm not sure exactly the location, but we're going to
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Speaker 5: do it in Oakland in the Bay Area, and it'll
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Speaker 5: be a one day, completely safe container being held with
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Speaker 5: myself and somebody who's going to assist me. And that's
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Speaker 5: really about you know, I've structured it. So we start
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Speaker 5: at the foundation and then we learn these tools and
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Speaker 5: practice them, and then we get to really see, oh, okay,
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Speaker 5: how can I drop out of here into here and
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Speaker 5: begin the healing or continue the healing from my heart space.
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Speaker 5: And this plant medicine is a heart opener, and it
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Speaker 5: takes It turns off our ego brain, and it turns
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Speaker 5: off that conscious I call should a Kulda would a brain,
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Speaker 5: and it drops you into gentle and profound messaging, really
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Speaker 5: your own messaging that we've been you know, squirrel, we've
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Speaker 5: been like taken out of that.
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Speaker 1: Oh I can't yet.
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Speaker 4: Because I got to do the thing and you don't
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Speaker 4: spend or whatever.
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Speaker 2: So twelve weeks is that meeting once a week online
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Speaker 2: how many times.
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Speaker 5: Yes, it's going to be once a week online. I've
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Speaker 5: got it written down here. Okay, yeah, weekly one hour calls,
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Speaker 5: possibly an hour fifteen minutes, depending on how it goes.
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Speaker 5: And then they'll also be in a community group like
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Speaker 5: a WhatsApp group, so in between they have support and
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Speaker 5: they also have a like minded community.
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Speaker 4: Because I think it's so.
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Speaker 5: Important is healing what I've learned in my life, it's
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Speaker 5: not about me.
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Speaker 4: It's not just about me. It's about how do we
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Speaker 4: heal in community.
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Speaker 5: And I think, especially in the Western culture, we're taught
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Speaker 5: that were just this compartmentalized person. And when I really
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Speaker 5: the medicine and those cultures have taught me to, like, oh,
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Speaker 5: expand out of that narrow thinking.
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Speaker 1: Julie, who would you say this program is for m.
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Speaker 5: This program is for people who are wanting to experience
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Speaker 5: and feel safety and connection.
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Speaker 4: In their body.
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Speaker 5: Right, someone who's looking to learn to self regulate from
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Speaker 5: anxious to calm, self regulate their nervous system.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of people think about myself.
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Speaker 5: Especially since the pandemic, right, nobody's really talking about that,
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Speaker 5: like wha shit. We went through a growth global shift
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Speaker 5: and we're supposed to just come back online. It's also
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Speaker 5: for someone who's looking to be an integral partner in
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Speaker 5: their own healing. Right as I was saying, like I've
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Speaker 5: I've learned to contact. I feel humbled and privileged to
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Speaker 5: be able to know like, oh, okay, how do I
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Speaker 5: access and turn on the healing in my hands because
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Speaker 5: we all have it, and then put it on my
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Speaker 5: body and see where it wants to go. So it's
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Speaker 5: for those people you're ready to look in the mirror
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Speaker 5: and love yourself and like yourself and just be like, oh,
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Speaker 5: there's a confidence in that, and to access the energetic
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Speaker 5: fact that we are the abundance. It's not separate from me,
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Speaker 5: like oh all the things in my life or the flowers,
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Speaker 5: like I'm actually part of that. So it's for people
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Speaker 5: like that and also who want to have a like minded,
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Speaker 5: supportive community.
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Speaker 2: You know, what do you feel like from all of
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Speaker 2: your experience when you were a young kid and the
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Speaker 2: trauma TBI, what do you feel your specialty is in
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Speaker 2: these offerings? I mean, I think we can hear it,
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Speaker 2: we can all see it and feel it, But how
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Speaker 2: would you articulate that?
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Speaker 4: How would I articulate that?
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Speaker 5: One of the things that I that I think of
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Speaker 5: myself of being here. I remember doing an Acaucic Records
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Speaker 5: reading with somebody and they said, you have been a
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Speaker 5: spiritual teacher in past lives and a priest, and you're
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Speaker 5: not sure exactly how that's going to play out this time,
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Speaker 5: but that's what your mission is again. And I knew
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Speaker 5: right away that I was going to be the bridge
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Speaker 5: between communities between humans. For some reason, I've been chosen
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Speaker 5: to play out this karmic role in my lifetimes and
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Speaker 5: I feel like that's my superpower and teaching people that
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Speaker 5: their vulnerability is actually not a weakness, but like that's
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Speaker 5: where the juice is, that's where the light is, right
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Speaker 5: because I don't want to I mean, I think of
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Speaker 5: myself and I look at other humans, yourself included, like
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Speaker 5: I want to know the real, real No, I don't
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Speaker 5: want to just be like, well, I've read these things
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Speaker 5: in a book and I'm really good at it, and
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Speaker 5: I'm going to teach you that's our ego brain, and
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Speaker 5: I'm good at being able to differentiate that and kind
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Speaker 5: of bring an ease and a calmness into the into
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Speaker 5: those spaces, the healing spaces.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome, that's amazing.
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Speaker 2: All right, as you kind of wind down here, how
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Speaker 2: can people learn more about this program?
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Speaker 1: And you said it was called coming Home, it's called
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Speaker 1: Homecoming coming.
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Speaker 2: Rather okay, so yeah, tell us how we can learn
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Speaker 2: more about that.
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Speaker 5: Well, I am just about to launch this program, so
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Speaker 5: it's not out there officially on social media or on
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Speaker 5: my website. It's actually I'm I'm announcing it here first.
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Speaker 5: And so the people that are watching or playing watching
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Speaker 5: this playback, you'll be able to have five hundred dollars
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Speaker 5: off we're mentioning the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I saw you.
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Speaker 4: On this podcast.
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Speaker 5: They can get a hold of me through my through
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Speaker 5: my website or actually through my email at us.
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Speaker 4: Which should I should I mention what that is is.
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Speaker 1: That Julie Stevens that Urban Retreats Center, Oakland.
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Speaker 4: That's it.
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Speaker 2: I'll have that linked up here on your website at
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Speaker 2: the show notes page at the trumpath everispodcast dot com.
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Speaker 1: So at this point, when is this going to be?
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Speaker 1: When does it start?
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Speaker 5: It starts October fifteenth, okay, yeah, and it runs to
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Speaker 5: the end of December.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they'll help they this will go live before then.
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Speaker 1: They'll have plenty of time.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, and you can also follow me on Instagram.
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Speaker 5: It's the real Julie Stevens.
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Speaker 4: Okay at Stevens.
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Speaker 5: And like I said, people through this podcast, please mention
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Speaker 5: that you saw this and I be happy to give
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Speaker 5: you five hundred dollars off.
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Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, awesome, Julie, you are amazing.
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Speaker 2: I'd love to have you back here so we can
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Speaker 2: inspire and love it. Glad I found you and I
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Speaker 2: was like, who.
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Speaker 4: This person is, but we're meant to.
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Speaker 1: Yep, gotta have her on. I love it same same,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate.
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Speaker 5: It, and I wanted to just tell you. I know,
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Speaker 5: I read the questions and you were taught. You were
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Speaker 5: saying what books are you inspired by? Can I tell you?
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Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I mean there's so many books that I love currently
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Speaker 5: Michael Beth Beck with Life Visioning, right, this is one
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Speaker 5: that I'm reading obviously, this one always that's like the
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Speaker 5: Koran or the Bible yep. And then for beauty and
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Speaker 5: just amazing. This is Braiding Sweet Grass.
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Speaker 1: Oh what is that?
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Speaker 5: This is the teaching Indigenous wisdom, scientific knowledge, and the
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Speaker 5: teaching of plants. And it's by Robin Wall Kimmerer. It's
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Speaker 5: her work. The way she uses words and sentences is
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Speaker 5: so poetic and beautiful.
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Speaker 4: She speaks like the language of the plants.
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Speaker 1: Wow, first is medicinal plants.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, some some of them are plants, and just.
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Speaker 5: Really about her childhood as as an indigenous woman in
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Speaker 5: her culture and it's woven in.
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Speaker 2: This Oh awesome, awesome.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, those are those are my three topics.
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Speaker 1: Very cool. I appreciate that.
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Speaker 2: Well, look like I said, love to have you back
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Speaker 2: and look forward to uh voting and sharing your work.
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Speaker 4: I appreciate you, bro, all right, take care to it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, PILs doman Hamon s