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The Grandfather of Channeling with Tom Massari · Rare Medium with Deb Snyder

• Tom Massari: and he can see what's going on today with governments and friends and everybody trying to control everything, and people trying to control other people and being controlled by Religion and school and parents and everything else. To understand that there is no time as we know time to exist. It all exists now. So that means past, present, and future are now. Focus on the now, let go of everything you've learned, and pretend you're brand new and you start with nothing, not a baby, but as you are now, but you start with nothing, which gives you everything, every opportunity to do anything you want, be any way you want. Deb: Rare Medium with Deb Snyder, celebrating life's rarities, the people, places, and experiences that just might be a little bit weird. This podcast explores all facets of our energetic connections to each other and beyond. We'll dive into the depths of mediumship, psychic ability, intuition, near death experiences, afterlife research, healing modalities, and more. Our focus is to bring you relevant and moving accounts with guests who share their authentic selves and their treks into the spiritual and energetic realms. We'll learn how those experiences shifted their perspective on life itself. Join us to be inspired by everyday people on their extraordinary journeys into the rare medium of the mystical world. Topics discussed on Rare Medium by the host and guests are presented for informational and entertainment purposes only. It is not a substitute for professional, legal, or medical advice. Deb Snyder: Hello and welcome to Rare Medium. I'm your host, Deb Snyder. I am very excited today. I will be bringing you Tom Massari, often called the grandfather of channeling. He is internationally known for channeling for over 53 years. He's an author, teacher, and celebrated mentor. Tom has led thousands of private and public sessions, workshops, seminars, and classes. In the United States and internationally. Through Abram Channeling, he invites audiences to explore intuition, self-awareness, spiritual development, personal responsibility, and the deeper architecture of reality. You can learn more about Tom, his books, and Abram the Mayan Shaman at Abram Channeling.net. Tom, welcome. Tom Massari: Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. Deb Snyder: Woo! I am just so so excited to have you. Now please tell our audience a little bit what is channeling and how did it enter your life? Tom Massari: I've been trying to figure this out for years and years and years channeling is the ability to set aside your conscious mind and your emotions and your beliefs to allow a separate source to merge with you and bring through information for yourself or for other people. The way I started was, I'll give you a little backstory. I was born and raised in Chicago, and when I was fifteen, I got a set of drums and co-founded my first band. We had a few records out, we did a couple of small tours, and like all bands do, in 69, 1970, we broke up and I joined another band. And in seventy-one, we moved to California, where we had a a manager and an agent waiting for us to manage and and be our agent. And in 72, I was living in Simi Valley, California. I had a girlfriend who had three sons. Whenever I was in one particular bedroom, I always felt like I was not alone. Somebody was in there with me, but I could never see anyone. So I figured, well, there's probably a ghost in this room. a friend of ours was visiting us from out of town. And I one night I said, Let's go in this bedroom and see if we can talk to the ghost. I had no idea what we were doing. So we were in the bedroom and we were asking, who are you? How did you die? What's your name? Why are you here? And I started getting answers in the form of feelings. I didn't hear anything, but I felt the answer. So someone would ask a question and I would say, This is what I'm getting, and I would give what I was feeling as the answer. So we decided after a while to leave the bedroom and go to the front room and just relax and talk. And they went to the front room. I went to the kitchen to get a drink of water. And on my way to the front room, I was stopped. Literally stopped. I my body could not move. And I felt this huge electricity around my body and in my body. And I had no idea what was going on. So I told him, I said, something is happening to me. Watch me. Make sure I'm okay. All of a sudden I started reciting Shakespeare. This went on for three hours. For a few minutes, I would be this other personality reciting Shakespeare. Then I would come back to being Tom, back and forth, back and forth, come back to being Tom and say, What in the world is going on? I didn't know anything about channeling. If you would if anyone would have mentioned channeling or mediumship to me, I would have thought they were talking about a Boris Karloff movie. Deb Snyder: Ha ha Tom Massari: You know. And this is something I never wanted to be because I was a drummer in a rock band. I was projecting music for the whole rest of my life. And all of a sudden this happened. After that, I lived in Milwaukee in 774, I believe, for a couple of years. And I met a man who was well, first of all, when this personality was reciting Shakespeare, he gave a name of John Rolfs. So after it was all done, I figured, okay, I'm either crazy or this really happened. And since he gave a name of John Rolfs, And said he was a Shakespearean actor in England in the late 1700s. I should look in a library and find him in a library book, which I did. I went and did a lot of research and I found him in a library book. And then I thought, okay, this is real. So when I lived in Milwaukee, I met a man who was on the board of directors of the Wisconsin Professional Hypnotist Society. And I told him the story, and he said, Let's go ahead and hypnotize you, see what we find out. And I said, okay, let's do it. Found out, and this is when I started thinking, okay, I'm crazy. Found out that John Rolfs was a past life of mine. Deb Snyder: Mm. Tom Massari: Yeah. So this happened a few more times and then the energy changed and then Abram came and announced himself. Now, the hardest part and most important part of being either a medium or a channel is to learn how to get out of the way consciously, emotionally, with all your beliefs and everything else, so you can allow information to come without you influencing it. And the other hardest part is to trust this other personality or entity or energy or source that is coming through. So for me, I had nobody to talk to when I first started because there was a small handful of us, and we were called mediums back then. So back then we had psychics and mediums. And then someone along the way came and said, Let's call these people channels. So now we have. psychics, mediums, channels, and everything else you can imagine. it took me a long time to trust what Abram was saying, which I think is healthy if you want to be a medium or a channel. So I let myself be tested by doctors, nurses, psychiatrists, psychologists, ministers, and everybody else. And they all agreed that this was not a part of my conscious mind or my psyche. This was something external. then what really made me trust Abram. Was when I was living in California, I got to be friends with a a noted doctor. And he was working with a girl who had either muscular dystrophy or multiple sclerosis. he came to Abram for a number of sessions, private sessions. And he was telling Abram, what I'm doing is not working. Can you help me? So Abram started telling him things to do. And I was hearing this and I was thinking, please know what you're talking about. I don't want to get Deb Snyder: Ha ha ha. Tom Massari: in trouble. If something happens, a couple of months later he came back, the doctor came back and said, Well, I tried what you suggested and it's working. Then I knew I could trust Abram. But it it takes it takes time. Takes time to gain trust. Deb Snyder: that that's amazing. Absolutely amazing. Tom Massari: Yeah. Takes time to gain trust in what you're doing. Deb Snyder: It it sure does. I can only speak as a psychic medium, I totally agree and getting out of our own way and getting the fear out of the way, you Tom Massari: Yeah. Deb Snyder: know, is the important piece Now tell Tom Massari: Yeah. Deb Snyder: us a little bit about Abram. Tom Massari: Abram claims to have had three physical lives, one on Atlantis, one during the time of Jesus, and Deb Snyder: Okay. Tom Massari: His last was as a Mayan shaman. On Atlantis, he says he was a marshal in the force. And the force was like our military, our present-day military. he can explain this a lot better, he he talked about. Taking orders every day, and the force was to protect people, not take advantage of people, not to control people, but to help people and take care of them. Every day he would get his orders and he took his orders very seriously. But one day he thought, all I do is I obey. And obeying is killing what's inside of me. So he decided to walk away. And he found a cave, and he lived the rest of his life in a cave and learned about nature and about. God and animals and consciousness and everything else. In his lifetime, in the time of Jesus, he was a sandal maker. He made sandals for people. claims that he's talked to Jesus a few times. Was never really buddy buddy with him, but he knew of him and and talked, you know, and they didn't hang out together. Deb Snyder: Mm-hmm. Tom Massari: And then as a shaman, he would have to tell you about that life. Sue, my wife and I have private sessions and we talk about different things. We have never gone into depth about his shaman life, which I would love to do. Deb Snyder: that sounds fascinating. Tom, tell us a little bit about how this works for you when you go into a channeling session. Obviously, you were saying you were kind of feeling him coming on to want to join this session, which he's certainly more than welcome to, but I certainly want to talk to you because I want to know this from your perspective. What how does that happen? Tell us a little bit what happens during a session. Tom Massari: I don't know how it happens. Deb Snyder: Uh-uh. Yeah, do are you aware of what Abram is saying when he says it, or do you have to go back and look at a recording afterward? Tom Massari: first of all, I never go back and listen to or look at any of the recordings that we do because it's none of my business. when I'm getting ready to channel for somebody, I just put it out to Abram, okay, I'm ready when you are. I've been doing this for going on 54 years, so the going into it process happens very quickly for me now. So all I do is I yeah, I just say I'm ready when you are, close my eyes, and within about a minute, the whole atmosphere of the room changes and I feel this energy. And then I kind of go into a sleep like state. And then Abram comes and he starts talking. Now he says that he merges his consciousness with mine. And that's how he's able to speak with me or through me or however that happens. Still not very clear on on exactly how it happens. I like to call myself a sleep medium. I don't care for the word channel. I never like the word trance. Some people call themselves trance Deb Snyder: Right. Tom Massari: channels. I go into a sleep-like state and and I'm a medium. Deb Snyder: Now do you channel any other person or entity other than Abram? Tom Massari: I have a couple of times, but I don't have a need to do that. I've seen people channel multiple personalities like a whole bunch. And to me, it's just like a three-ring circus. I don't think you need to do that if you want to be authentic. I tell people, and Abram tells people, confine yourself to one or two sources at the most. You don't need a whole troop, Deb Snyder: you're doing this for healing of others, not be entertainment, you're trying to be of service. Tom Massari: and you're doing it for healing for yourself too, because I think channeling Abram is healing for me also. Because a lot of times I don't feel like doing the session. I'd rather go and smoke a cigar or play with our dog, or I just don't feel good. And then I do the session and afterwards I feel lot better. So I think it's healing for the channel also. Deb Snyder: I think you're correct about that. for me as a medium, I can start with a little apprehension and then when I'm done, it's like, Woo you know, it's Tom Massari: Yeah. Deb Snyder: it is nice to tap into that energy. you mentioned a little earlier about how it's important to get out of a way during a session. I think the a lot of people who are in this line of work, have that challenge. What would be your advice on how to get out of the way? Tom Massari: Abram has told a couple of people who who are developing their channeling ability with him in his six-week course, and he tells them sit, have a straight spine, close your eyes, take a breath, relax yourself, and feel all of your emotions at the same time, the best way that you can. And focus on one emotion, maybe anger as an example. And then just Let go of the idea of anger and feel the rest of the emotions, and then focus on, as an example, joy, feel it, and then let it go and focus on the rest of them. go down the line one at a time until you've let go of all of your emotions. That is a good way to put them aside. Now, what I did when I first started was I imagined a funnel with the wide mouth in front of me and the narrow mouth going away from me and it rotating and I imagined myself going into it and that helped me to set aside all of my stuff. Deb Snyder: Wow, that that sounds like a powerful technique. mind if I steal that technique? Good. Tom Massari: Well, absolutely. It worked well for me. Go ahead and use it. Deb Snyder: That's right. in all these years, like you said, almost 54 years of channeling Abram. I would assume on some level he's a colleague. you run this business together in helping people, it's a partnership. Tom Massari: Yeah, yeah, he's become my buddy. Deb Snyder: Do you have time where you communicate back and forth? Tom Massari: I can do that, yeah. I I mentally communicate with him if I have a need to, that works pretty well. Nine times out of ten he'll answer me or be there for me. Once in a while he won't if what I'm asking doesn't matter, if we have a medical thing going on, either Sue or I or our dog Jack, if something is going on medically with him or with us, I'll ask Abram Before we do a session to find out, I'll ask him what's going on with Jack or what's going on with me. if it's not a big deal, he won't even answer me. So I'll know it's okay, it's not a big deal. Usually Deb Snyder: Okay. Tom Massari: he'll come to me somehow. I'll see him in my head, or I'll get an image of him talking to Sue in one of our private sessions, and I'll see him in my mind telling Sue. What's going on with Jack or what's going on with me or with her and how to change it, how to fix it, or if we need to see a doc. Deb Snyder: Interesting. Interesting. Now, Tom, Tom Massari: Well that's Deb Snyder: do you believe anyone can channel? Tom Massari: No. No. I believe that you have to be born into it to be a channel, just like you have to be born into being a medium or an artist or an author or a musician. People have every ability, but if you're not born into it, you can take your abilities only so far, but when you're born into it, that's how far you can you can take your abilities. Abram talks about that too. You have to be born into it to be an authentic, medium or channel, or author, or composer, or whatever. people are born to do what they do. And some of these people who are not born into it, he has said this. If you have a desire strong enough to be a channel, for example, and you're not a channel, your mind will create. a state of being that will imitate channeling. So the information could be coming from your subconscious mind and not from an external source like Abram is with me. Deb Snyder: Now tell me, Tom, what does Abram teach about reincarnation, life after death, purpose of the soul? Tell us about some of his master lessons. Tom Massari: Reincarnation, he says you don't have to reincarnate over and over. It's a choice. And in between your physical lives, you create a design for your next upcoming physical life. And you create that design based on what you need to or would like to or desire to experience in that lifetime. It could be living a life of a rich person or someone out on the street homeless or being murdered. Or whatever, being a great composer, And you experience that in your lifetime because that's what you need to experience for yourself. When you're done with all of your physical lives, you return to what he calls your whole self or your complete self. other people have called it other things, and then you just exist pretty much as energy. Deb Snyder: Now when Tom Massari: Now Deb Snyder: we do mediumship, do you feel that that's the level we're communicating with when we bring someone through their soul level, their higher level? Tom Massari: Yeah, I th I think so. I think so. Deb Snyder: Yeah. Tom Massari: There's still I mean, after fifty three years, there's still a lot of things that I don't really get about what I'm doing, you know. Deb Snyder: And that to me is what makes me believe everything you say, I feel the same way. I've studied energy and metaphysics for a long time, and I can do interesting things, and I don't know exactly how I do them. I understand how some people have a theory on it, and that's interesting. And we talk about morphic resonance and we talk about being attuned with people I think some of these things are fascinating and I'm glad we're making gains in understanding scientifically, possibly, how they think these things work. And I think that's the blessing of science is it's ever evolving and ever growing. I am still amazed by people like yourself. I'm blessed to meet a lot of different weirdos as we say in this line of work. It's always a blessing and I'm always just so intrigued by people do it a little bit differently. They do it their own way. it's fascinating. Tom Massari: Yeah, for me it got to a point where I tried to figure it out for so many years, I finally got to the point where I said, you know what, I don't care how it works anymore. I know it works and that's all that matters. And he's never, never given anyone ill advice about anything in fifty-three years. So I'm pretty safe with it. Deb Snyder: Well, good. And you know that people are choosing to come to you and to him you're not twisting anyone's arms, you're not trying to shove anything Tom Massari: Yep. Deb Snyder: on anybody. This is, totally voluntary. I told Tom before we got started I'm gonna book a session with him and Abram and with his wife Susanna, who we are gonna meet on the show in a future episode. you're gonna love to meet her as well, folks. Now, Tom tell us Why do you believe Abram's teachings are relevant to this day and all that we're facing right here and now in this crazy world we're in? Tom Massari: being what he is, energy or consciousness, he's able to see into different time frames or timelines as people call them. he can see into past lives of ours, present lives and future lives of ours, and he can see what's going on today with governments and friends and everybody trying to control everything, and people trying to control other people and being controlled by Religion and school and parents and everything else. To understand that there is no time as we know time to exist. It all exists now. So that means past, present, and future are now. Focus on the now, let go of everything you've learned, and pretend you're brand new and you start with nothing, not a baby, but as you are now, but you start with nothing, which gives you everything, every opportunity to do anything you want, be any way you want. And he tells people. Think about how you would really like your reality to be and imagine it being that way and start acting as if it's that way now. And he always tells people, you'll be surprised, you'll see your reality start changing right before your eyes when you do that. But you have to act it out, otherwise it's not gonna work, he has the ability to be in different time frames and know exactly what's going on, he Suggests, doesn't tell people what to do. He'll suggest things and tell people how to do it. And he always tells people, now you're going to do what you want anyway. You don't have to take my advice. You're going to do what you want, which is your right. And then he suggests to people what they can do to change things for themselves and to have their reality be a better reality that can serve them for their highest good. Deb Snyder: Sounds like the best kind of teacher. I know for myself, even with all that I've learned, I can still find myself getting caught up. if I consume too much news or if I consume too much negativity. It's just crazy. I have to remind myself, I don't need to participate in every moment of that. Tom Massari: I'll tell you, I'm a person like everyone else. And I was caught up in all the emotional stuff about what's happening now and who's running the country and why things are happening. And I decided I'm going to stop watching news. I'm going to get off social media and I'm going to hide out. And within a couple of days, literally, Deb, I felt my body calm down. And I haven't been on the news, I haven't been on social media for probably a good couple of years now. And Deb Snyder: And you feel healthier. Tom Massari: and I like it that way. Deb Snyder: Tom does have his and Abrams teachings on a YouTube channel. I will link his website and his YouTube channel so that you can benefit from those teachings. Now, Tom, Tom Massari: Thank you. Deb Snyder: before I let you go, we're gonna do something different today, folks. We're gonna have Tom answer his 10 QQ questions. But then we're gonna come back and we're actually going to meet Abram. Tom, before I let you go, I wanna certainly thank you for being with us. are you ready Tom Massari: Thank you. Deb Snyder: for your 10 QQ questions? Tom Massari: Let's do it, I'm ready. Deb Snyder: All right, let's go. Do you believe in the afterlife? Tom Massari: Yes. Deb Snyder: What was your age in the best year of your life so far? Tom Massari: Sixteen years old and now. Deb Snyder: Who's your favorite musical artist? It's a good question for a drummer. Tom Massari: I would have to say Ginger Baker, who was the drummer in the band called Cream. Deb Snyder: Yep. Excellent. Ginger baker. Where would you most like to travel? Tom Massari: England and Italy. Deb Snyder: What person has inspired you the most? Tom Massari: Ginger Baker. Deb Snyder: If you could have an entirely different profession, what would it be? Tom Massari: Playing drums again. Deb Snyder: Do you still play drums at all? Tom Massari: I have a set of drums. I have not played them in a couple of years. I keep looking at and I keep talking to them and I keep thinking, Boy, I should really start playing you again, but someday I will. Deb Snyder: That's right. You will. What are you grateful for? Tom Massari: I'm grateful for the life I have, the job that I have, my wife, our dog, our cat, you and what you do with your show. Deb Snyder: thank you. Do you love yourself? Tom Massari: Absolutely. Of course, but there's always room for more. Deb Snyder: That's right. What do you most regret? Tom Massari: I have no regrets. I regret not having a regret, I'll put it that way. Deb Snyder: In a word or two, what is your advice for your fellow humans? Tom Massari: in a word or two. I'll do three words relax four words relax. It's all okay. Deb Snyder: Beautiful. Tom Massari thank you so much for being with us. And you Tom Massari: Thank you. Deb Snyder: now do what you need to do to welcome Abram. And I'm nervous too. when Tom and I first started talking, folks, he had said that Abram wanted to talk to us as well. So we're just gonna see how it goes. So good. Tom Massari: All right, good. Okay, so give me a minute and I will see you when it's all done. Deb Snyder: Absolutely. Abram intro: Tom will now channel Abram. This section will be unedited for full experience. Tom Massari: Hello my friend. Deb Snyder: Hello. Tom Massari: How are you feeling? Deb Snyder: I'm doing well, thank you. Tom Massari: Good. So how would you like to begin? Deb Snyder: Abram, I would just like you to introduce yourself to our audience and tell us what you feel we need to know right now. Tom Massari: Thank you, my friend. You have my name, Abram. It was my name when I was in the time of Jesus the Christ. Not Jesus Christ, but Jesus the Christ. There were many Christ-like beings, people in that time, many Christ-like beings in your present time, also, my friend. So when you consider consciousness, understand that consciousness is everything, everything, everyone. Even insects, animals, dogs, cats, marine life. Everything, everyone is consciousness, which means you are all connected with each other, with nature, with insects, even those creepy, crawly things that you do not enjoy. You are equal with and connected with dogs, cats, all other animals. You are connected with everyone and everything all the time. What reality means is your decision to create an environment. For yourself that serves you for your highest good all the time. Now. My identity is such that having gone through three physical lives, learning, discovering, experiencing all I needed to, I consider myself as being pure energy. This is what you people will eventually and finally become or return to when you are done with all your physical lives. You reincarnate over and over, have physical life over and over and over and over again. You don't have to do that. Reincarnation is a choice. You can choose to reincarnate or you can choose to not reincarnate and return to your whole or complete self. In between your lives, you create a design. That design is all about what you would like to or what you need to experience or become. In your next upcoming physical life. And you go through your life, experience it, becoming it. When you have experienced all you need to about it, then you will die. Too many people fear death. I tell people, imagine you are in your home, you are in one room, maybe your kitchen. You decide to walk into your living room. Walking into your living room is just like dying. You are still alive. You keep going, you are just in a different room in your home. This is what dying is. You are just a different version of yourself in a different dimension of your present reality. But you are still you. You never die. Nothing dies. Everything becomes again and again until they are done becoming again and again. Then they all return to being energy. This is what I am. This is what all of you really are. But you have created a physical design for yourself. You have created a physical reality for yourself so that you can enjoy yourself being in a dimension of thought in which you can express yourself any way you would like to. And the way and ways you express yourself will be the way or the ways that your reality will eventually be or become. Thank you. I think that wraps that one up, my friend. What else, my friend? Deb Snyder: Abram, I really, appreciate your wisdom. Thank you so much. Tom Massari: Thank you, my friend. Deb Snyder: do you have any advice for those of us in the physical world right now trying to deal with the the chaos of our times? Tom Massari: Absolutely. This is a time in which people have been trained to sleep, be confused, and be fearful. People are sleeping. People are confused about where their life is going, how it should be, how it must be, how it can be, how it is not. People like to control things. People like to judge. This is human nature. Nothing wrong with it. People control their life, their family, their spouse, their children, themselves, their job. They control everything. People control other people. You need to be just like me. I am doing fine. You need to be like me. You are not as fine as I am. Be you do what I do, and you'll be a bit more like stop it. If you can just control and judge just a bit less, just a bit, not a lot, just a bit less, then you will realize that your life has already changed, becoming a bit easier for you, a bit more enjoyable. Wake up because your life is your life. Do not let anyone, do not let anyone at all tell you how to live, how not to live, what to eat, what not to eat, when to die, when not to die, how to live, how not to live, how to talk, how not to talk and all the rest. Never let anyone do that to you. Because you here we go with the power speech. You have the power in you to create anything at any time you would like to. So do yourselves a favor. Do not create those who try to control you. And when you try something in life, don't try it, just do it, because trying leaves room for failure. And don't hope for a better life, because hoping leaves room for failure. If you want a better life, begin designing it in your imagination. Design it. See things, move things around, add things, take things away. Just like an interior designer in a home, in a room. I will put the sofa on that wall, the picture on that wall, a clock over there, a table over there. No, I will move the table over there to that wall, and I will Take that picture and move it to that wall where the clock is, and it will look better. They change things around, move things, take things out, add things until they arrive at the absolute best. And best is not a judgment word, the best possible outcome for that room. Do the same thing with imagining your reality. Imagine all different things. That you can have in your reality. You must nothing, you should nothing, you have to nothing, but you can everything. So imagine what you can have your reality be like. And in your mind, see it being that way now, not one week from now, not ten years from now, now, because there is no time. Then act it out. Act as if your reality is that way now. This is the hard part Acting it, you will see it being created for itself, by itself, and with your participation and with your emotional expressiveness. And emotions are judgments in themselves, my friends. Emotions are labels, love, joy, sorrow, sadness, labels. They are judgments. Think about it. They all function on one power. They all have the same power. They all are. The same power, which means they are all the same. So if, as an example, you are in the throes of anger, feel the power of the anger, not the label, not the judgment, but feel the power of the anger. And just imagine that it just might be strength instead. And it will change its foundation and it will become strength. You might think this is a bit crazy, but let me tell you something, it works every time. All you have to do is do it. Thank you. I think that wraps up that one, my friend. Anything else? Deb Snyder: Thank you so much, Abram. That is very powerful. I just have one final question. Why do you Tom Massari: And I'll have one final answer. Thank you. Deb Snyder: choose to come why do you choose to come through Tom? Tom Massari: This gives me the opportunity to be back in a physical type reality with him and you people, and this is a blessing for me. This is just like me being born all over again, and I thank all of you for this grand opportunity. I honor it and I honor all of you. So thank you again. Deb Snyder: Well, we thank you, Abram, and we thank Tom for bringing you to us and blessings to you. Tom Massari: Thank you, my friend. I will let time come back to you. Deb Snyder: Thank you. Welcome back, my friend. Tom Massari: I'm back. Deb Snyder: Thank you so much for for sharing Abram with us. Thank you. That was deeply powerful. Tom Massari: My pleasure, my pleasure. That's what I do best. Deb Snyder: That was deep. I look forward to hearing you play the drums again too. So I think you do a lot of things, pretty wonderful. Tom Massari: I look forward to hearing myself play drums too. Deb Snyder: Tom, thank you so much for being with us and sharing your unique and powerful gifts with Rare Medium. Tom Massari: Thank you very much, I appreciate it. Deb Snyder: This has been Rare Medium with Deb Snyder. Please subscribe on your favorite channel and leave any comments you'd like us to see. To learn more, visit DebSnyder.com or Heartglow.org.