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Ohio State Scheme Insider: Understanding Duo, Windback, and More · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes tomorrow morning for Thursday, August 27th. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Tom Moore. The Ball State game in nine days.
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  Speaker 1: welcomed in Ross Fulton, one of our scheme gurus, scheme
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  Speaker 1: insiders from BuckeyeInsiders.com. Today, we're going to welcome in the
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  Speaker 1: other scheme insider from BuckeyeInsiders.com. That is Michael Pettit. And
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  Speaker 1: as we promised on the show with Ross yesterday, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to be talking a little bit about Duo and
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  Speaker 1: some of the ways that Ohio State can sort of
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  Speaker 1: iterate off of Duo, sort of take one concept and
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  Speaker 1: put a variation on that, and then put a variation
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  Speaker 1: on that, and then take what we talked about with Ross,
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  Speaker 1: kind of take a simple concept, and make it very
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  Speaker 1: complicated potentially for the defense.
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  Speaker 2: So all right, Michael, let's start with just the basics.
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  Speaker 1: Duo is something that Ross talked about on yesterday's show
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  Speaker 1: as something that we're probably expecting to see a good
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  Speaker 1: bit of from Arthur Smith. So how will Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: fans know when they see duo?
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  Speaker 2: What does that look like?
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  Speaker 3: So duo is a gap scheme play, but unlike most
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  Speaker 3: gap schemes, there's no puller. So what duo is, it
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  Speaker 3: kind of looks like inside zone, but it's actually not.
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  Speaker 3: The offensive line is all blocking one direction, trying to
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  Speaker 3: pin the defense back that way, while the running back
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  Speaker 3: is taking a path in the opposite direction. So, for example,
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  Speaker 3: we can put up a clip of Duo on the
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  Speaker 3: screen here. This is from Ohio State's 2024 Rose Bowl
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  Speaker 3: victory against Oregon. And you'll see here, the entire offensive
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  Speaker 3: line is stepping to their right, while the running back,
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  Speaker 3: Quinshawn Judkins, is actually going to take a path It's
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  Speaker 3: still an inside path, but it is a bit to
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  Speaker 3: the left, as you can see. And if you look
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  Speaker 3: at it from the end zone view, unfortunately here, this
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  Speaker 3: is not the greatest look at duo because Oregon on
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  Speaker 3: this play is in a heads front, meaning instead of
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  Speaker 3: using a one technique and a three technique as their
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  Speaker 3: defensive tackles, a heads front means they're using two techniques.
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  Speaker 3: So the blocking looks a little more straight up as
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  Speaker 3: opposed to really stepping to the right. But if you
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  Speaker 3: do look closely, you'll see that The entire offensive line
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  Speaker 3: and the tight ends, all of their first steps are
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  Speaker 3: to their right, and they're trying to mash the defense
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  Speaker 3: down that way so Judkins can go the opposite way.
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  Speaker 3: And Judkins' job here is he's reading the play side
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  Speaker 3: linebacker to determine whether to stay on his interior path
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  Speaker 3: or to bounce it outside.
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  Speaker 1: So that's duo, and that sounds like that's going to
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  Speaker 1: be kind of a base play for Ohio State or
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  Speaker 1: at least a staple play for Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: This season. But then you get into the variations.
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  Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that we've heard
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  Speaker 1: players talk about a bunch during interviews this month is
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  Speaker 1: defensive players saying they don't really know what's coming because
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  Speaker 1: you can kind of get different variations.
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  Speaker 2: It all looks the same up to a certain point.
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  Speaker 2: And then it goes a very different direction. And it
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  Speaker 2: can be very confusing.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the variations that we've seen off of duo,
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  Speaker 1: this is something that I know I've talked to Ross
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  Speaker 1: about several times in the past, and it was probably
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  Speaker 1: back in the Chip Kelly days, A play called windback
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  Speaker 1: is a sort of variation on duo. So explain what
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  Speaker 1: windback is and how it's a little bit different.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 3: So windback, I mean, again, one of the things here
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  Speaker 3: that I think Ohio State's offense was missing last year
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  Speaker 3: was it didn't always seem like the offensive plays had
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  Speaker 3: much synergy to them. They weren't really building off certain concepts.
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  Speaker 3: The concepts weren't really married together. When Chip Kelly was
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  Speaker 3: the offensive coordinator, that was never really a problem. And
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  Speaker 3: so wind back is a play that you can build
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  Speaker 3: off of duo. It's essentially the same play as duo.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the offensive line is blocking exactly the same.
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  Speaker 3: The running back is taking the exact same path. The
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  Speaker 3: only difference is once the ball is snapped, you're going
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  Speaker 3: to have a receiver come around to the play side
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  Speaker 3: and become a lead blocker. So if you look on
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  Speaker 3: the screen here, you'll see before the snap, Will Howard
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  Speaker 3: is motioning Brandon Ennis in to be a blocker. And
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  Speaker 3: the entire offensive line is going to step hard to
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  Speaker 3: their left and try to pin the defense back that
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  Speaker 3: way while Judkins takes a path to his right. And ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: this is a very positive gain here. And if you
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  Speaker 3: look at the play from the end zone view, I
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  Speaker 3: think this is the best example of duo blocking we're
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  Speaker 3: going to show today. You can see the entire offensive
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  Speaker 3: line is stepping hard to their left, getting the double
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  Speaker 3: teams up front, and the receiver, Brandon Ennis, is coming
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  Speaker 3: around as a lead blocker for the running back.
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  Speaker 1: And just for people who are wondering, you know, on
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  Speaker 1: one play, they were going left and one play, they
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  Speaker 1: were going right. It's not that if you go left,
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  Speaker 1: it's a duo. And if you go right, it's wind back.
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  Speaker 1: Is it, is it that there's a, uh, you're, you're
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  Speaker 1: always doing one to the field side. You're always doing
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  Speaker 1: one of the boundary side, or is this just one
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  Speaker 1: of these things where this can go either way and
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  Speaker 1: it's considered duo in either direction is considered wind back
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  Speaker 1: in either direction, just depending on which direction you want
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  Speaker 1: to run the play.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's considered duo or wind back in either direction.
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  Speaker 3: The key here is, again, the running back is going
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  Speaker 3: to be going the opposite direction of the offensive line,
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  Speaker 3: whereas on an inside zone play, the running back and
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  Speaker 3: the offensive line are both going in the same direction.
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  Speaker 3: They're on the same path. And so, yeah, I should
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  Speaker 3: also say that's kind of what distinguishes duo from inside zone.
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  Speaker 3: And then, again, what distinguishes wind back from duo is
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  Speaker 3: just having that receiver come around as a lead blocker
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  Speaker 3: once the ball is snapped.
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  Speaker 1: And then there are other variations you can run off
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  Speaker 1: of that because this is one of the things where
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  Speaker 1: you're just sort of iterating off of the same play
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  Speaker 1: and you have version one and then you have like
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  Speaker 1: slight variation two and then you'll have slight variation three.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, slight variation three is sometimes you can
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  Speaker 1: have a wide receiver come around and give it to
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  Speaker 1: him on a jet sweep. And it's again, it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of the same basic idea, but it's a different running back,
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  Speaker 1: a different ball carrier. And that probably changes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the blocking angles and complicates things more for the defense. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So once again here, you're going to see Ohio State's offense.
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  Speaker 3: This is just two games later in the national championship
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  Speaker 3: against Notre Dame. You're once again going to see Ohio
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  Speaker 3: State's offense in a 12 personnel look, so two tight ends.
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  Speaker 3: And Notre Dame watched film. They watched those last two
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  Speaker 3: clips we just watched in preparation for this game. So
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State in this 12 personnel look is going to
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  Speaker 3: motion a receiver in. And if you're a defender on
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame here, you've very well may be thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 3: here comes a wind back. But it's not wind back.
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  Speaker 3: It's not duo. The running back doesn't even touch the ball.
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  Speaker 3: Once that receiver starts motioning in, Ohio State actually runs
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  Speaker 3: a bash jet sweep here. So obviously jet sweep, that
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  Speaker 3: means you're handing it to the receiver coming around. The
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  Speaker 3: reason I call it a bash play, bash stands for
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  Speaker 3: back away or ball carrier away blocking. And that means
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  Speaker 3: that the majority of the offensive line is going to
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  Speaker 3: block the opposite direction that the ball is going. And
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  Speaker 3: also they're going to leave one guy unblocked. Here, as
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  Speaker 3: you can see now on the end zone view, the
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  Speaker 3: guy they leave unblocked is the play side three technique.
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  Speaker 3: And of course the conventional wisdom here is there's not
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  Speaker 3: a single three technique in America who that quickly can
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  Speaker 3: react and respond to Emeka Gbuka coming around on a
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  Speaker 3: jet sweep. And the entire offensive line, as you can see,
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  Speaker 3: they pull the defense the other way. So yeah, again,
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  Speaker 3: this is just an example It's not the same play,
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  Speaker 3: how Duoh and Weinbach are more or less the same play.
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  Speaker 3: This is not the same play, but it's an example
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  Speaker 3: of how you can use these same looks to build
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  Speaker 3: and marry concepts together and keep the defense off balance.
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  Speaker 2: All right, so there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Just kind of a look at a couple different ways
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  Speaker 1: you can just sort of continue to iterate off of
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  Speaker 1: the same basic play and make things relatively simple for
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  Speaker 1: your offense and very, very complicated for the defense. Those
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  Speaker 1: are plays you are going to probably see quite a
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  Speaker 1: bit this fall at on Ohio state games on TV
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  Speaker 2: We had just put up a.
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  Speaker 2: To answer.
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