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‘Tech Tuesday’ with Rich DeMuro | OC DA Todd Spitzer · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM 640, the Bill Handel Show
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  Speaker 1: on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, you can tell by the day that it
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  Speaker 2: is time for Rich DeMuro. You can hear him live
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  Speaker 2: on Rich on Tech every Saturday from 11 a.m. to
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  Speaker 2: 2 p.m. I highly recommend it. Part of my weekly listening.
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  Speaker 2: Follow him on Instagram at Rich on Tech. Hey, Rich,
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  Speaker 2: how you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Hey, good morning to you, Neil. I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 4: So I've heard you talking about Metamuse.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, any of us that use, not Metamucil, Metamuse.
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  Speaker 4: And, you know, we all.
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  Speaker 2: See the little cute little character. And I know you've
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  Speaker 2: talked about it a couple of times.
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  Speaker 4: It's getting a lot of attention. Tell us a little
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  Speaker 4: bit about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really wild because it's, okay, we saw AI
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  Speaker 3: come on the scene with ChatGBT a couple years ago.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was 2022 at this point. And so,
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  Speaker 3: you know, there's, we've gotten used to the idea of AI,
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  Speaker 3: but AI has until this point been mostly reactive, right?
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  Speaker 3: You ask it a question, it gives you an answer. Well,
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  Speaker 3: this new kind of flavor of AI is proactive. It's
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  Speaker 3: called AI agents and they've been around for a while.
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  Speaker 3: OpenClaw was kind of the first to do this, but
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  Speaker 3: now that Meta has really distilled it into such an
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  Speaker 3: easy and fun app that that the average person can
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  Speaker 3: download this app and start using it, and they're just
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  Speaker 3: blown away by what this thing can do. And so
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  Speaker 3: let me give you an example. It can connect to
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  Speaker 3: your services. So you can connect it to your email,
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  Speaker 3: your contacts, your calendar. They just added a whole bunch
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  Speaker 3: of new stuff today like Canva and Dropbox and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just everything you can imagine. And once it has access
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  Speaker 3: to those things, it kind of monitors them. for incoming texts,
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  Speaker 3: incoming emails, your calendar events. And it will tell you, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you've got this appointment here. I see it's with this person.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what you said to them last time. And here's
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  Speaker 3: how you can prep for that meeting. And it can
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  Speaker 3: do this across all different things. You can connect your
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  Speaker 3: bank account. It's been looking for ways for people to
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  Speaker 3: save on subscriptions. And it's just really good. And so
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  Speaker 3: it's shot to the top of the App Store list.
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  Speaker 3: People continue to download it. And I think people are
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  Speaker 3: just understanding that, of course, AI is scary. but it's
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  Speaker 3: become so friendly in this little, the little avatar is
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  Speaker 3: so cute looking and it's helpful. So people are saying,
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  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is like a whole new use
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  Speaker 3: of AI that I've never thought was possible.
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  Speaker 2: Which is, you know, kind of what we sort of
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  Speaker 2: in the back of our minds been hoping for in
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  Speaker 2: one way. And now we're afraid as hell about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not personally, I take it seriously, but it's actually
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  Speaker 2: one of the things I appreciate about you, Rich, is
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  Speaker 2: you're Ability to look at these things and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: step back for a second. Everything has, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: good and bad side depending on how it's used. And
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  Speaker 2: we have to let it become itself. And I know
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  Speaker 2: you've talked about using the Muse and all of that.
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  Speaker 2: And we're bombarded with it. It got some attention. Some
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  Speaker 2: user said it gave their home address to Facebook Marketplace.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So this is the you'll probably see this story
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  Speaker 3: floating around today. But basically this this creator. used it
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  Speaker 3: because you can connect to your Facebook, your Instagram, all
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  Speaker 3: that good stuff. So he said, Oh, cool. Let me
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  Speaker 3: use this to sell. I think he was selling like
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  Speaker 3: a keyboard and he gave it his, his home address.
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  Speaker 3: He gave it his, you know, he said, look, negotiate
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  Speaker 3: with these people on Facebook marketplace that contact me to
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  Speaker 3: make this sale. And he tapped the always allow button, which,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you tell these agents to always allow,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to take action on your behalf. And since
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  Speaker 3: he shared his home address, Basically, this person who wanted
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  Speaker 3: to buy this keyboard from him showed up at his house.
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  Speaker 3: And he was like, wait, what? Now, it all ended okay.
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  Speaker 3: It turned out to be fine. But the reality is
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  Speaker 3: this became a huge viral sensation because... oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 3: so scary, this AI agent gave out this person's address. Well,
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  Speaker 3: he specifically gave the instructions along with his address to
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  Speaker 3: sell this keyboard. So if you're an agent, it's like
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  Speaker 3: having an assistant. If you tell them, hey, sell this thing,
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  Speaker 3: what are they going to do? They're going to take
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  Speaker 3: action on your behalf until they sell it. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what happened. So he talked to Facebook, he talked to Meta, saying,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they looked at the logs to see what happened.
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  Speaker 3: Nothing went wrong. Now, could it have been more clear?
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  Speaker 3: Could there be more safeguards in place in the future
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  Speaker 3: before it gives out your home address to some random
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  Speaker 3: person texting you? Probably, and I think those things will change.
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  Speaker 3: But again, that's why when you download these kind of tools,
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  Speaker 3: anything that's new, you have to just sit there and
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  Speaker 3: think about the implications. You give it access to your email,
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  Speaker 3: now it has access to your email. What's in your email?
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  Speaker 3: All kinds of stuff. Passwords, very personal information, all the
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  Speaker 3: vacations you've ever been on. So think about this. When
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  Speaker 3: you give access to your personal information to AI, You
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  Speaker 3: have to think about the ramifications of that.
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  Speaker 2: And the speed. I mean, listen, so many times every
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  Speaker 2: week on your show, you're going to talk about proper
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  Speaker 2: hygiene when it comes to the Internet. We are our
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  Speaker 2: worst enemy. We are the ones that get any viruses on.
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  Speaker 2: We welcome them. We, you know, we welcome them in
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  Speaker 2: by our stupidity. The difference is if I make a,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if I make a user error in my
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  Speaker 2: truck driving on the freeway at 60 miles per hour,
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  Speaker 2: it's one thing. If I was a, you know, racing
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  Speaker 2: in NASCAR and I do user error at a hundred
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  Speaker 2: miles per hour, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Going to be ugly.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, The now we've got an Internet superpowered by
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  Speaker 2: AI and things that it's just moving faster and your
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  Speaker 2: user errors can be more problematic. So you've got to
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  Speaker 2: turn up that hygiene, that personal hygiene and make sure
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  Speaker 2: that you're not doing stupid things that you know what
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  Speaker 2: you have. But that would be the same, like you said,
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  Speaker 2: for a human. How many times do we hear, you know,
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  Speaker 2: famous people? And their assistants that now they're on the
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  Speaker 2: outs and the assistants like, yeah, they did this, this,
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  Speaker 2: that and the other. And they come out and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: get their dirty laundry in the street. It's you've got
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  Speaker 2: to be careful what you're going to go down. If
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  Speaker 2: you love Rich's stuff like I do, make sure you
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  Speaker 2: to get on that?
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  Speaker 3: Sure, just go to Rich on Tech dot TV. And
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  Speaker 3: let's see, I think there's like in the upper right
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  Speaker 3: hand corner. should say like subscribe or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: But you just put in your email address and I
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  Speaker 3: will send that out every Saturday morning. And it's basically
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  Speaker 3: a brain dump, you know, like all the stuff that
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  Speaker 3: I think is interesting that you should know about. It's
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  Speaker 3: in the newsletter. And then, of course, it's on the
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  Speaker 3: radio show.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And then the website has everything, too.
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  Speaker 2: It's the it's the one radio show I listen to
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  Speaker 2: where when I hear something And I go, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: got to write that down.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm driving because I'm usually on my way into
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  Speaker 4: the studio myself.
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  Speaker 2: And that I know it's I'll be able to look
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  Speaker 2: it up after I'll be able to find all the
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  Speaker 2: details later.
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  Speaker 4: So take advantage of that. All right. Car privacy. We
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  Speaker 4: were talking a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday, I think, or maybe Friday with the crew here
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  Speaker 2: about advertising being pointed at you and of conversations about is.
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  Speaker 2: Siri listening or Alexa listening or any of those things.
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  Speaker 2: But now we're looking at car privacy. What's behind that? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we knew this was happening, right? Like I
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  Speaker 2: did this big data conference years ago, probably a decade ago,
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  Speaker 2: and I was interviewing someone from a major car company.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, you know, are cars collecting a lot
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  Speaker 3: of data? He said, oh, absolutely. We have everything. And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's interesting. And this was before
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  Speaker 3: cars were became connected to the internet. Like they were
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  Speaker 3: just starting to get connected to the internet. And now
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  Speaker 3: that they are all connected to the internet and they
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  Speaker 3: have these companion apps, well, you've got like a one-two
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  Speaker 3: punch of here's all your data and here's these apps
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  Speaker 3: that are leaking that data to all kinds of places.
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  Speaker 3: So they have this study out from Consumer Reports and
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  Speaker 3: Northeastern University. They looked at 21 cars from 19 brands
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  Speaker 3: plus their apps. And they found that pretty much every
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  Speaker 3: car transmits some sort of information about you to not
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  Speaker 3: only the car manufacturer, but also third-party data brokers, which
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  Speaker 3: I think is the interesting part here, is that it's
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  Speaker 3: not just, it's like these companies that are collecting data
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  Speaker 3: on us, and that could be your name, it could
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  Speaker 3: be where you go, it could be your car's VIN number,
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  Speaker 3: so highly identifiable information. And I think the big takeaway
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  Speaker 3: for me is that you have to go through the
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  Speaker 3: privacy settings on your car. There's some things that you
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  Speaker 3: can say, no, I don't want. And there's some things
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  Speaker 3: that you can't say no to. And I think that's
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  Speaker 3: the bigger issue is that a lot of these things,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, sorry, you can't even turn this off. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't like when that happens. But by the way,
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  Speaker 3: the biggest recipients, all the regulars, Google, Amazon, Meta, Microsoft,
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  Speaker 3: even Pinterest and Reddit were in there. And it's just
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  Speaker 3: one of these things where They're selling your data, and
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  Speaker 3: that's the bottom line. Someone's making money here.
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  Speaker 4: And your car's basically snitching on you.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's giving up information. Now, I'm with you
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to something that you can turn off.
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  Speaker 2: It's shady that they don't start with it being off,
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  Speaker 2: and you have to turn it off. But if you
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  Speaker 2: can't turn it off, they're essentially– I mean, they're essentially
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  Speaker 2: forcing you to give a second form of revenue for
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  Speaker 2: them without you saying yes to, at least not obviously
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  Speaker 2: saying yes to. If it's in small print somewhere, who
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  Speaker 2: knows when you get a car or whatever. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we had this some weeks back, maybe a couple months ago.
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  Speaker 2: The Spider-Man movie or whatever would come on the Mercedes
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 4: It would come on the the.
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  Speaker 2: Screen it gave you an ad for the spider-man movie
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  Speaker 2: or something and people were frustrated like hey i turned
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  Speaker 2: on my car and the first thing that pops up
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  Speaker 2: is my car yeah and i think that's the last
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  Speaker 2: i think the bathroom and your car are the last
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  Speaker 2: places you.
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  Speaker 3: Know the bathroom Have you driven to Vegas? There are
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  Speaker 3: ads in the bathroom. Like there are at the, yes,
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  Speaker 3: at this place. Oh my gosh. What's called Eddie's world.
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  Speaker 3: If you go to the restroom, there's like those TV
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  Speaker 3: screens above the urinals and they play like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's like games. And like, I think there's some advertising
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  Speaker 3: on there now. I don't know if it's like, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it's personalized to you. I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to be on the touch screen. Well, it's yeah, it
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  Speaker 3: goes further than that. But but here's the thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: the world is not too far away where you could
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  Speaker 3: walk into and this is minority report, right? You walk
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  Speaker 3: into a bathroom. It knows your phone. It knows, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it can get some sort of identifier from your phone
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  Speaker 3: and then show you personalized ads. And this is the
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  Speaker 3: other part of this that I think people don't necessarily realize, okay?
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  Speaker 3: When you give your phone number, let's say you sign up.
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  Speaker 3: I did this the other day. We were at one
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  Speaker 3: of those candle stores, right? And they're like, hey, if
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  Speaker 3: you want 20% off, you know, give us your email address.
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  Speaker 3: And my kids are like, dad, do it. It's such
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  Speaker 3: a good deal. Now I'm sitting there as the privacy
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  Speaker 3: guy saying, I know exactly what's happening here. As soon
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  Speaker 3: as I give this company, this little non-nefarious piece of information,
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  Speaker 3: my email address, they go, they put it into the
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  Speaker 3: little database and it goes and it pings another 15
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  Speaker 3: databases that include all kinds of other information about me,
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  Speaker 3: how much I make, where I live, what I do,
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  Speaker 3: what my interests are. And they build this profile instantly
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  Speaker 3: just based off my email address. And so that's really
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  Speaker 3: what's happening here. The more data that's collected, the more
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  Speaker 3: these companies can layer it on top of each other.
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  Speaker 3: And that's really the problem. So you might say, Rich,
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  Speaker 3: big deal. They have my VIN number. Oh, that VIN
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  Speaker 3: number unlocks every single thing that they know about you
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  Speaker 3: because they have that one key piece of data.
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  Speaker 4: I stopped at the excitement your kids have for candles.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, they love it. You never smelled a good pumpkin
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  Speaker 3: spice candle.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. I love candles.
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  Speaker 2: I just I it gives me hope for the youth
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  Speaker 2: of today if they enjoy the small things in life,
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  Speaker 2: like stopping and smelling the roses.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, wow, I love it. I'll take a trip.
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  Speaker 3: Every parent should take a trip to the candle store
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  Speaker 3: with their kids and just enjoy. I mean, you learn
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  Speaker 3: a lot about them, too, you know, what their likes are.
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  Speaker 3: Pumpkin spice, bourbon, you know, candle, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the kid who likes the bourbon and
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  Speaker 2: the tequila candle, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, tequila.
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  Speaker 4: Keep an eye on him for a while.
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  Speaker 3: The Brat Room beer scent candle. Yes. floor at the
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  Speaker 3: bar candle oh kid um what's going on here uh what's.
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  Speaker 2: A mystery mat shot daddy no don't worry about that
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  Speaker 2: son all right oh i'm glad you know what it
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  Speaker 2: is all right rich demuro uh the well-read and well-traveled
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  Speaker 2: rich demuro rich on tech every saturday from 11 a.m
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  Speaker 2: to 2 p.m and of course you can find him
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  Speaker 2: on instagram at rich on tech uh thanks rich appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you my.
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  Speaker 4: Friend Neil, always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk soon. District Attorney of Orange County, Todd Spitzer,
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  Speaker 2: is with us. Thanks for taking the time, Todd. Appreciate you.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, good morning. Anytime, of course.
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  Speaker 2: You know, e-bikes, they seem to come out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Then the e-motos and anywhere and everywhere you look around,
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  Speaker 2: they're driving in front of you. They've become the bane
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  Speaker 2: of our existence. And it's either I'm becoming an old
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  Speaker 2: man and want people off my lawn or.
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  Speaker 4: We really have issues. What say you?
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  Speaker 5: What's saying me is you are becoming an old man,
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  Speaker 5: kind of, you know, grouchy and like the rest of us.
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  Speaker 5: I'm the same way. And then and then we have
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  Speaker 5: a serious problem. So it's a combination.
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  Speaker 4: It's weird.
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  Speaker 2: And you you've been stepping up to things that come
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  Speaker 2: to mind and that are forward facing are the e-bike buyback,
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  Speaker 2: something that we've only heard in the sense of guns before.
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  Speaker 2: And then the pushing accountability on the parents. And tell
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  Speaker 2: us why these two tactics are so important in the
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  Speaker 2: fight of this new threat, I guess I'll say.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we actually have multiple approaches. We're working on
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  Speaker 5: legislative changes. We really do think that young people, if
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  Speaker 5: they're going to ride these electric motor vehicles, they need
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  Speaker 5: some basic understanding of road safety. They need understanding of
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  Speaker 5: the vehicle that they're going to be driving. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: this isn't your... old bicycle that, you know, you pedal
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  Speaker 5: and maybe you get to 20 miles per hour, but
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  Speaker 5: you can't really sustain that when you're pedaling unless you're
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  Speaker 5: going downhill or you're in, you know, 10th gear or something.
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  Speaker 5: So we're trying to get, you know, education through legislation.
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  Speaker 5: We are doing education. We have police departments holding public
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  Speaker 5: safety classes for young people. And I got a call
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  Speaker 5: from a really good friend the other day saying, His
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  Speaker 5: kid wants one of these, and he's like, how do
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  Speaker 5: I say no? I say, well, put them through the class.
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  Speaker 5: See if they can pass. See if they can articulate
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  Speaker 5: basic road safety. And if you feel comfortable. And make
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  Speaker 5: the police officer the bad person. Like, don't confront your kid.
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  Speaker 5: Make them go through these classes and see if they
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  Speaker 5: have some kind of, you know, understanding. And they can
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  Speaker 5: exhibit that. So that's through the training. Then, of course,
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  Speaker 5: we have enforcement. So if we have scufflaw kids... Or
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  Speaker 5: even we have adults who ride these things, too, and
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  Speaker 5: violate the law. But obviously, we're focusing on young people.
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  Speaker 5: And if they violate the law, then they get pulled over.
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  Speaker 5: Their bike can be confiscated. These are not cheap little vehicles.
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  Speaker 5: These things are running from $ 2, 000 to $ 5, 000. Parents are
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  Speaker 5: making a significant investment. For the parents to have freedom, Neal. Like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, remember when we got our cars? Our parents
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  Speaker 5: were like, hey, man, I don't have to take my
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  Speaker 5: kid to baseball practice anymore. So there's a lot of
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  Speaker 5: pressure on parents. Not pressure, but the parents suddenly find
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  Speaker 5: a lot of freedom. It used to be at 16
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  Speaker 5: when their kids got their driver's license. Now it's at 12.
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  Speaker 5: So parents are buying four years of... freedom. And for
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  Speaker 5: some families, it is important that their kid has a
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  Speaker 5: way to get to school and to other kinds of activities.
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  Speaker 5: And then lastly, there's me, okay, which no one wants
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  Speaker 5: to deal with me. I'm not trying to be your friend.
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  Speaker 5: I'm trying to protect the community. So I will prosecute you,
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  Speaker 5: and we prosecute kids, and we prosecute adults. And let
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  Speaker 5: me explain why we've been so public about adults. Hold
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  Speaker 5: that thought.
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  Speaker 4: For a second, Todd.
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  Speaker 2: On with me right now is Todd Spitzer, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the district attorney of Orange County. We're going to get
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  Speaker 2: some news and we come back and want to hear
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  Speaker 2: about that. Some things that you've said that I think
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  Speaker 2: you're absolutely on point and you're going at this as
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  Speaker 2: hard and as focused as these things are coming at
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  Speaker 2: us on the sidewalk. So matching energy with energy. We'll
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  Speaker 2: come back with D.A. Spitzer in just a moment.
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  Speaker 3: Mr.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Todd Spitzer, DA of Orange County, is with us talking
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: about the e-bikes. Now, I like what you had said
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  Speaker 2: in an article I was reading in the Wall Street
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  Speaker 2: Journal that said, you know, you're not trying to knock
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  Speaker 2: the daredevil or the, you know, who a kid is
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  Speaker 2: out of them. They want to take risks, part of
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  Speaker 2: being curious, but you're holding parents accountable and saying, hey,
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  Speaker 2: you're giving your kid a vehicle that's $ 2, 000 to $ 5, 000
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  Speaker 2: on the low end goes 28 miles an hour, which
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: is plenty fast to cause damage. And then these Emotos
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  Speaker 2: go even faster and that we're giving them in the
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  Speaker 2: hands of 12 and 13 year olds.
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  Speaker 4: So is that working?
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  Speaker 2: You're, you're shaking the cage of the parents instead of
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  Speaker 2: the kid.
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  Speaker 4: Are you getting the word out? You think?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, in our first segment, we talked about
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  Speaker 5: kind of the approach that I'm taking. I'm trying to
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  Speaker 5: get legislative changes, education and training for kids, you know,
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  Speaker 5: through training, you know, where they actually ride and get
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  Speaker 5: hands on experience in education with police officers. There's plenty
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  Speaker 5: of classes out there. Huntington Beach has an excellent class.
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  Speaker 5: So anybody can find that. We do the enforcement for
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: people who don't listen and they don't they don't they
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: don't learn. So we certainly arrest people and we prosecute them.
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  Speaker 5: And that's the last prong. That's the prong I don't
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  Speaker 5: really want to do. I don't really want to prosecute
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  Speaker 5: kids and parents. But you asked me why parents and
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: the juvenile proceedings in California, really all throughout the country,
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  Speaker 5: are supposed to be rehabilitative. And that juvenile record doesn't
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  Speaker 5: carry over parents. into your adult life. It kind of
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  Speaker 5: wipes itself out. And that's because society is like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: young people make mistakes and they should be given opportunities
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  Speaker 5: and it shouldn't follow them for the rest of their life.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm prohibited from by law. from talking about specific
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  Speaker 5: cases that would be very, very instrumental, like the case
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  Speaker 5: where an 81-year-old substitute teacher, veteran who served our country
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  Speaker 5: in Vietnam, was killed by a 14-year-old on an e-bike,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm prosecuting mom. And I can talk about prosecution
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  Speaker 5: of adults. So right now, I have four active prosecutions
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  Speaker 5: against parents, but I have 47 active investigations now, Neil,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: against parents, which may result in criminal charges. The word
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: is absolutely getting out. Parents know that they have exposure.
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  Speaker 5: And you have parents not only buying these bikes, they're
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: not buying them consistent with the requirements of law. And
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  Speaker 5: so I want to refer people... There's an excellent website
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  Speaker 5: that's put out by the state that has all the
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  Speaker 5: rules and regulations, where there's training, what the requirements are,
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  Speaker 5: all the distinctions between e-bikes, Class 1, Class 2, Class 3, speed, helmet, age,
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  Speaker 5: all that. And that's just GoSafelyCA, GoSafelyCalifornia.org. If you just
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Google that through the Office of Traffic Safety, GoSafelyCA, one word,. org,
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  Speaker 5: All the rules that parents need to know are there.
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  Speaker 5: If parents don't take the opportunity to learn about this, Neil,
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  Speaker 5: before they go and spend thousands of dollars, they're not
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: only jeopardizing they're going to lose that vehicle through an impoundment,
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  Speaker 5: but they're also risking that their kids are going to
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  Speaker 5: be seriously injured. Look, kids are dying. We had a
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  Speaker 5: young boy in Garden Grove who passed away in a
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  Speaker 5: solo crash. We have kids who are riding with other kids.
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  Speaker 5: and their passengers are getting seriously injured. This is super serious.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to get crazy or grandstand about this,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm trying multiple approaches to see what works. And
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  Speaker 5: I basically try anything, including the buyback.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So you're talking about rules, regulations. This is something not
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  Speaker 2: new in the sense that we know what a bike is.
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  Speaker 2: We had mopeds before, which were similar. We had motorcycles.
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  Speaker 2: There's just it's come and made its way back. What
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: about what's often referred to as a legal and safety loophole,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and that is the pedals on these so-called bikes that
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: put them in this other category that's harder to go after,
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  Speaker 2: whether they're on the sidewalks, whether they're supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: in the streets? Are we going to push back in
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  Speaker 2: a bigger way and check these possible loopholes to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that these vehicles aren't given to kids when they
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be in the first place?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, the giving in the first place is tough, but
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  Speaker 5: the police are very well trained in my county now
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  Speaker 5: because we've been training and working with other law enforcement
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  Speaker 5: training that, you know, look for different signs. So the
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: pedals used to be like they're presumptive that, oh, okay, well,
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  Speaker 5: this is probably, you know, class one. This is appropriate for,
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: you know, a kid to ride to and from school, whatever.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: But this is what's happening. And I should also tell you,
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: I'm going after the enforcement with the people that sell these,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: the retailers. You probably are aware Amazon cut off the
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: selling of these because they were having a hard time
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  Speaker 5: controlling the age limitations of what's appropriate. But a lot
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: of the retailers will still sell them inappropriately to kids.
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  Speaker 5: And then this is the worst part. We have the
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  Speaker 5: technology now where you can have an app on your
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: phone that communicates with the e-bike, and you can change
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: the speed and override the limitations through an app on
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: your phone. You can learn on the Internet how to
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: cut one of the wires and what color it is
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  Speaker 5: and where it is on the bike in order to
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: overcome the limitations that are built in by the manufacturer. So, look,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: let's go back to the original supposition, you and I.
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  Speaker 5: You're not going to take the DNA out of a
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: young boy who likes to ride fast and take risks
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  Speaker 5: and doesn't really think about the potential consequences. I rode
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: motorcycles from the time I was 10 years old. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: still have a motorcycle today. I used to ride illegally.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: The statute of limitations is run, so I can admit this.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I used to ride from Lake Arrowhead to Big Bear
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  Speaker 5: on my Honda 90 when I was 14 years old.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: My parents had no idea where I was. I it's
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: lucky I'm not dead, at least for me. Some people
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: would like to see me dead. But my point being
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: is boys are still going to always take risk. So
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: and this is another social phenomenon that's occurring today. Parents
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: don't want to be parents. They're trying to be friends
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: with their kids. parents you got to get over that
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: like you have a responsibility to be a parent and
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: when your kid is an adult you can be their
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: friend but you can't be their friend or that shouldn't
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: be your goal when you're raising a child today.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Absolutely you got to set those boundaries they're going to
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: push them but you got to set them that is
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the voice of district attorney of orange county todd spitzer
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: todd i always appreciate how available you are and every
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: time i go past the orange curtain i'm I appreciate
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: that there's not human feces on the streets.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Neil, everybody's welcome in our county. We just have signs
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: that warn them we still prosecute crime here.
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  Speaker 4: All right. Keep L.A. out of Orange County. I've heard
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: it all.
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: Well, Nathan Hogman's doing a great job. That was true
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: with George Gascon. That's a whole different conversation, my friend.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I will take it. All right, Todd Spitzer. Thanks, brother.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: You're welcome.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: And have a good day.
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