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Inside Sam Wood’s Shocking DV Arrest · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Before we get into today's episode, we want to issue
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  Speaker 1: a trigger warning. We discuss domestic violence. Hello and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and
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  Speaker 1: pop culture news twice a week. I'm Kate Torber. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber. And I'm Sophie Torber. And coming up on
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  Speaker 1: today's show... A dispute between the owners of loungewear brand
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  Speaker 1: Allure has blown up on TikTok. But first, the country
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  Speaker 1: has been left stunned after former Bachelor star Sam Wood
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  Speaker 1: was charged with domestic violence offences against his wife, Snezyana Wood.
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  Speaker 1: The father-of-four was denied bail on Thursday after police allege
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  Speaker 1: he strangled his wife until she thought she was going
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  Speaker 1: to die. Now, so this story is absolutely horrific. Can
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  Speaker 1: you take us back to the public holiday weekend and
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  Speaker 1: how this unfolded? Yeah, so Sam Snez and their four
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  Speaker 1: daughters were holidaying in Noosa when the alleged incident took place.
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  Speaker 1: They were staying at a luxury apartment on the beachfront
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  Speaker 1: on Hastings Street, so a very popular area. Police were
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  Speaker 1: called to the property on Saturday night amid reports of
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence. Sam was arrested and charged with the domestic
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  Speaker 1: offence of assault, occasioning bodily harm and strangulation in a
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  Speaker 1: domestic setting. He was refused bail. At this point, Snez
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  Speaker 1: had not been identified as the victim. That didn't stop
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people speculating online. Now, almost instantly, Sam
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  Speaker 1: and Snez, who have a combined following of more than
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  Speaker 1: half a million people on Instagram... disabled comments on their accounts. Then,
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  Speaker 1: first thing Monday morning, both Sam and Snez released identical
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  Speaker 1: statements on their Instagram stories, which read, Statement from the
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  Speaker 1: Wood family. This is a difficult time for all of us.
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  Speaker 1: We are working through this as a family and are
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  Speaker 1: thoroughly cooperating with the authorities. Now, what is really interesting
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  Speaker 1: is this statement was also shared on Sam's business account
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  Speaker 1: 28 by Sam Wood. Well, not long after that post,
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  Speaker 1: Sam was actually stood down from his fitness empire. The
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  Speaker 1: 28 Group CEO, Mark Watkins, released a statement on Monday
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  Speaker 1: confirming Sam Wood had been placed on indefinite leave from
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  Speaker 1: his duties. The statement read, we have all been shocked
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  Speaker 1: and saddened by the matters involving Sam Wood and have
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  Speaker 1: zero tolerance for domestic violence. While the matter is under
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  Speaker 1: investigation and before the court's This had to be.
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  Speaker 2: Done.
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  Speaker 1: And I liked how swiftly this decision was made. They
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  Speaker 1: really had no other option, particularly after such serious charges
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  Speaker 1: were laid against Sam. It's quite interesting for those who
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  Speaker 1: aren't aware, back in 2022, it was reported that Sam
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  Speaker 1: sold his business for a whopping $ 71 million to a
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  Speaker 1: Melbourne company called MyDNA. Now, Sam kept a 5% stake
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  Speaker 1: in the company and has remained the face of the
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  Speaker 1: brand up until this incident. He was very deeply involved
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  Speaker 1: across his social media channels and he was the reason
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  Speaker 1: why people wanted to stick with the fitness program since
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  Speaker 1: he sold the brand. The situation between Sam Wood and
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  Speaker 1: his fitness company is very similar to the one that
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  Speaker 1: Kayla had seen us had back a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: ago when she sold her company. So she stayed on
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  Speaker 1: as the face of the brand. And it would be
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  Speaker 1: interesting to know if Sam had similar contractual obligations like
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  Speaker 1: Kayla did because she went on to eventually buy her
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  Speaker 1: brand back. But a part of the contract was that
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  Speaker 1: she had to stay the face of the brand. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder what this means for his payout because you would
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  Speaker 1: assume that it was paid in installments. Well, on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: the 28 group had to release a secondary statement saying,
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  Speaker 1: confirming that they had ended all commercial arrangements with Sam Wood.
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  Speaker 1: I would hazard a guess that that may have something
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  Speaker 1: to do with this disturbing clip that has resurfaced of
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  Speaker 1: Sam Wood. Now, the video was posted to Sam's fitness
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  Speaker 1: page in 2025, and in it, he spoke about the
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  Speaker 1: rules he sticks to when he's trying to avoid snacking.
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  Speaker 1: He then said this.
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  Speaker 3: I talk to.
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  Speaker 4: Snares and we support each other.
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  Speaker 1: I get her to hide all the stuff that I
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  Speaker 1: like from me, and then even if.
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  Speaker 4: I'm strangling her to death, she will not give it up.
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  Speaker 1: This is absolutely chilling to listen to. And I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand how this was ever posted to his fitness page.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand where the joking element is. How is
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  Speaker 1: this something that just rolls off the tongue to you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised it wasn't called out previously. Now, on Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: Sam appeared via video link at the Maroochydore Magistrates Court.
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  Speaker 1: During this hearing, it was revealed that the alleged victim
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  Speaker 1: is in fact his wife, Snezhana Wood. Now, the court
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  Speaker 1: heard that the incident allegedly took place after Sam and
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  Speaker 1: Snez returned home from dinner. Police alleged that Sam became
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  Speaker 1: involved in a family argument with Snez and their adult
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  Speaker 1: daughter Eve over whether they should go to bed or
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  Speaker 1: park ahead of their departure the following morning before he
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  Speaker 1: allegedly assaulted and strangled Snez. The court heard that Sam
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  Speaker 1: allegedly pushed Snez with one hand into a wall and
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  Speaker 1: then to the ground before grabbing her around the neck,
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  Speaker 1: gripping tight and restricting her airways. The court also heard
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  Speaker 1: that Snez told police that she thought she was going
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  Speaker 1: to die. Police also alleged that Sam banged Snez's head
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  Speaker 1: on the ground multiple times and that she could not breathe.
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  Speaker 1: The police prosecutor also told the court that the triple
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  Speaker 1: zero call was made by Sam's stepdaughter Eve and they
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  Speaker 1: also presented photographs of Snez's alleged injuries. The prosecutor also
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  Speaker 1: said that Snez was supportive of the charges proceeding. Now
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  Speaker 1: Sam's lawyer said his client denied the allegations. and may
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  Speaker 1: be entitled to a self-defense argument. He also argued that
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  Speaker 1: Sam should be given bail because he's suffering from severe
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  Speaker 1: depression and needed the support of mental health professionals. Interestingly,
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  Speaker 1: he also stated that he needed the opportunity to salvage
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  Speaker 1: his professional reputation and career, which has, quote, taken a
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  Speaker 1: hell of a beating at the moment. What a disgusting
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  Speaker 1: choice of words from a lawyer who is defending a
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  Speaker 1: client in a domestic violence matter. The mind absolutely boggles. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he also told the court, ultimately, as all families have,
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  Speaker 1: there were problems. And my client had been enduring the
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  Speaker 1: hardship of attempting to quarantine those problems from his family
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  Speaker 1: for some period of time. It was agonizing. Now, Cus
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  Speaker 1: Kelly also cited that Sam had no prior criminal history.
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  Speaker 1: And if granted bail, he would reside in Victoria with
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  Speaker 1: his father, Andrew Wood. Now, he attended this court hearing.
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  Speaker 1: He got absolutely hounded by reporters. Now, while Sam Wood
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have a previous criminal record, the court heard that
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  Speaker 1: police actually attended the Wood family home in Victoria over
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  Speaker 1: a similar allegation about three years ago. Now, police prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: allege that SNES did not make any criminal complaints on
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  Speaker 1: that occasion out of fear of retribution. Sam denied that
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  Speaker 1: any previous incident had taken place, That is despite the
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  Speaker 1: fact that prosecutors argued that there was body worn camera
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  Speaker 1: footage of police attending his home and a police report
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  Speaker 1: in relation to that incident. The prosecutors also alleged that
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  Speaker 1: during Sam's police interview, he minimized his part in the
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  Speaker 1: alleged offending and minimized the injuries suffered by his wife.
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  Speaker 1: saying he essentially victim blamed. Now, the acting magistrate said
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  Speaker 1: the strength of evidence against Sam was relatively strong and
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  Speaker 1: it was likely the charges, if proven, would attract a
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  Speaker 1: term in prison. Sam was denied bail and on Thursday night,
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  Speaker 1: he was transferred to the Brisbane Correctional Centre. He's due
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  Speaker 1: to face court again on November 23rd. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a huge day for the media. Now, the reality
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  Speaker 1: is what allegedly took place in the Woods Noosa holiday
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  Speaker 1: rental is unfortunately incredibly common. one in four Australian women
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  Speaker 1: have experienced physical or sexual violence from an intimate partner,
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  Speaker 1: while on average, one woman is killed by an intimate
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  Speaker 1: partner every 11 days in Australia. These statistics aren't new.
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  Speaker 1: They're reported in the media all the time. But what
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  Speaker 1: is new, though, is the reaction to what really is
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  Speaker 1: sadly just another common domestic violence case. Obviously, celebrity plays
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  Speaker 1: a big part, but I think the reaction has been
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  Speaker 1: so extraordinary because of what Sam and Snez used to
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  Speaker 1: represent in Australia. Well, they were essentially couple goals and
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  Speaker 1: we've really had a front row seat to what looked
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  Speaker 1: like a fairytale romance. It's really interesting when you consider
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  Speaker 1: that Sam and Snez's series of The Bachelor actually aired
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  Speaker 1: off the back of Blake Garvey's series. Now, this was
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  Speaker 1: when the franchise was at the peak of its popularity.
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  Speaker 1: And if you cast your mind back, Blake broke Sam
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  Speaker 1: Frost's heart. So he picked her. He then reneged on
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing and then hooked up with Louise. So
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  Speaker 1: the show really needed a love story and they seemingly
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  Speaker 1: got a very genuine one. And Sam was really cast
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  Speaker 1: at this white night. So their whole love story centered
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  Speaker 1: around him sweeping this single mom off her feet. And
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  Speaker 1: a big part of the story was the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he embraced Snezz's then nine-year-old daughter Eve as his own.
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  Speaker 1: So much so that Eve actually went on and changed
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  Speaker 1: her last name to include Wood in it. I have
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  Speaker 1: not been able to get this story out of my head.
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  Speaker 1: It is absolutely just harrowing what has been alleged. And
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why is because for
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  Speaker 1: 11 years, you have this picture of who Sam Wood
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  Speaker 1: is in your head. And that has been completely tarnished.
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  Speaker 1: I think Instagram also plays into it. You always see
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  Speaker 1: people's picture perfect lives online. And I think this has
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  Speaker 1: led a lot of people to question, well, is everything
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  Speaker 1: as it seems? We've literally watched a real life fairy
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  Speaker 1: tale crumble in front of us. And I think what
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  Speaker 1: makes this story even more shocking is the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Snez is the alleged victim. So the couple's relationship has
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  Speaker 1: always been such a massive part of Sam's public image.
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  Speaker 1: And his public image has gone far beyond The Bachelor.
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  Speaker 1: As you said, Sophie, he had this incredibly successful fitness
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  Speaker 1: brand and he really positioned himself as a relatable dad
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  Speaker 1: and a devoted husband online. Well, they went on to
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  Speaker 1: have three other daughters as well. This is what also
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  Speaker 1: makes this story so incredibly sad. And it's not like
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  Speaker 1: this family was one of those influencer families that's constantly
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  Speaker 1: attracting negative headlines. You know, they were very picture perfect.
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  Speaker 1: That's why these allegations are so jarring because you've got
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  Speaker 1: this person that we all thought was this devoted husband
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  Speaker 1: and father and he's now being accused of seriously harming
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  Speaker 1: SNES in front of his children. I think what also
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  Speaker 1: added to this idea that this was a fairytale relationship
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  Speaker 1: was the fact that Sam had that $ 70 million deal
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  Speaker 1: as well. It really glamorised this couple and also kept
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  Speaker 1: them in the headlines. I saw a really interesting post
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  Speaker 1: by a creator called P.E. Dung and she summed up
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  Speaker 1: why we're really feeling this collective shock about this news.
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  Speaker 1: She wrote, the most dangerous thing about domestic violence is
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  Speaker 1: that we keep looking for monsters. We imagine an abuser
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  Speaker 1: has to look like an abuser. He can also be charming, successful, funny, attractive,
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  Speaker 1: a loving dad, well-liked, and a known family man. She
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  Speaker 1: summarized that so perfectly because what's been playing on my
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  Speaker 1: mind is just how perfectly this case plays into this
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  Speaker 1: whole nice guy trope that we're used to hearing every time.
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  Speaker 1: something like this happens. So we hear it so many times.
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  Speaker 1: He's such a nice guy. He'd never do that. And
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  Speaker 1: it's really become commonplace for when a man is accused
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  Speaker 1: of domestic violence, that the conversation quickly becomes about how
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  Speaker 1: seemingly good he is and how could he possibly have
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  Speaker 1: done something like this? And it's interesting that as a society,
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  Speaker 1: we treat a man's public reputation as evidence of how
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  Speaker 1: he behaves behind closed doors. Author and social commentator, Kate Forster,
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  Speaker 1: summed this up really well.
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  Speaker 3: Sam Wood built a brand based on health, family, wholesome
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  Speaker 3: Aussie bloke, family guy, and that's what a lot of
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  Speaker 3: influencers sell, not just a fitness program, right? The feeling
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  Speaker 3: that you know them, that parasocial, we're rooting for you, Sam,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and that's the version that they choose to
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  Speaker 3: show you. But a very curated Instagram or public image,
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  Speaker 3: is not an evidence of character in any form. Why
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  Speaker 3: are we talking about how much he's going to lose
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  Speaker 3: and not talking about how much she has endured when
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  Speaker 3: there is allegedly another incident similar that happened in Victoria?
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  Speaker 1: Kate Forster is, of course, going back to Sam's lawyer's
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  Speaker 1: original claims that Sam needs the opportunity to salvage his
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  Speaker 1: professional reputation and career, which I agree with Kate, is
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  Speaker 1: such a strange thing to be arguing in this situation.
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  Speaker 1: I think what makes this story particularly heartbreaking is Eve's involvement,
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  Speaker 1: particularly because she's only recently spoken about her strained relationship
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  Speaker 1: with her biological father, who she says she's been estranged
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  Speaker 1: from for eight years. So she recalled that one of
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  Speaker 1: the most hurtful things he said about her was that
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  Speaker 1: she didn't deserve the life she was living. And again,
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  Speaker 1: I think you touched on it, Amy. I think this
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  Speaker 1: glamorous life really does play into why this has suddenly
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  Speaker 1: become so shocking because, again, it is a part of
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  Speaker 1: the fairy tale. I feel for Eve because there have
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  Speaker 1: been so many rumours circulating about her involvement in this
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  Speaker 1: case On TikTok especially. It seems like everyone on TikTok
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  Speaker 1: has forgotten there are specific legal requirements for what you
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  Speaker 1: can and can't say. There's a lot of baseless information
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  Speaker 1: being said. That's just TikTok though. What concerns me is
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  Speaker 1: having any of that type of information impacting the trial. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Going back to Eve and the relationship that she has
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  Speaker 1: with her biological father, when this story broke, I instantly
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  Speaker 1: thought about him and how he would feel Because on
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  Speaker 1: Sam's series of The Bachelor, he wasn't painted in a
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  Speaker 1: flattering light at all. The show really portrayed Jason as
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  Speaker 1: this absent father, which led to Perth Now publishing an
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  Speaker 1: article about his criminal history. So he has served two
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  Speaker 1: prison sentences for drug-related crimes, with one including possession of
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  Speaker 1: a firearm. And it's quite a sad story because he
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  Speaker 1: later told the media that a dirt bike accident in
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  Speaker 1: 2005 left him a paraplegic and contributed to his struggles
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  Speaker 1: with addiction. What's interesting is Jason is back in the
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  Speaker 1: story arc. So the Daily Mail contacted him and he
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  Speaker 1: confirmed that he has spoken to his daughter Eve on
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  Speaker 1: the phone after the incident and he confirmed that Snez
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  Speaker 1: was doing fine. One positive to come out of this
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  Speaker 1: horrific alleged incident is how seriously the public is taking
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  Speaker 1: this situation. In the past, we've seen the public make
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  Speaker 1: excuses for high profile men, particularly AFL players who are
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  Speaker 1: accused of domestic violence. And in this situation, We are
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  Speaker 1: seeing such a hard stance taken against Sam Wood. And
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  Speaker 1: a post by activist Harrison James has gone viral where
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  Speaker 1: he's pointed out the severity of a strangulation charge. So
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  Speaker 1: he wrote, men, when you read that a woman was strangled,
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  Speaker 1: understand what you're actually reading. A man put his hands
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  Speaker 1: around her neck and did something that could have killed her.
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  Speaker 1: Our language tends to make male violence sound a hell
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  Speaker 1: of a lot less terrifying than it actually is. So
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  Speaker 1: we can create distance between ourselves and the horror of violence.
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  Speaker 1: We call it strangulation, but read the reality behind the
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  Speaker 1: word attempted murder. Don't let a clinical word sanitise the
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  Speaker 1: brutality of what happened.
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  Speaker 5: Make sure you're proud of it because I'll fucking share it.
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  Speaker 5: You want to be a weak dog? You wouldn't say
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  Speaker 5: that to my face because I would drag your ass
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  Speaker 5: through the car park.
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  Speaker 1: A business dispute between the co-owners of Australian loungewear brand
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  Speaker 1: Allure has been blowing up on TikTok. If you thought
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  Speaker 1: Cookie Gate was wild, this is next level. Now, before
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  Speaker 1: we get into the drama, can you bring listeners up
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  Speaker 1: to speed, Kate, with the main players?
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got the co-owners, Ebony McLeese and Olivia O'Neill,
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  Speaker 1: who before this drama were best friends. Both of these
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  Speaker 1: women have micro followings on social media, while the brand
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  Speaker 1: itself has 173,000 followers on TikTok and 47,000 on Instagram. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the women founded the loungewear brand in 2021 when they
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  Speaker 1: were in their mid-20s. And by 2023, it was reportedly
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  Speaker 1: worth seven figures. Now, since then, Ebony and Olivia have
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  Speaker 1: worked full-time in the business alongside their one and only
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  Speaker 1: staff member, Mariah Bellott. Now, crucial to the story is
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Mariah's older brother, Harley... dates Olivia. Now
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  Speaker 1: that we are all up to speed Kate let's jump
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  Speaker 1: into the drama. So Ebony and Olivia have had a
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  Speaker 1: public falling out of epic proportion. It all started a
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  Speaker 1: few weeks ago when Olivia publicly called Ebony out on
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  Speaker 1: social media. Now sadly for us Olivia chose to voice
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  Speaker 1: her upset on her Instagram story which has now disappeared
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  Speaker 1: but snippets of those videos have been popping up online
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  Speaker 1: The crux of it is that Olivia claims her business
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  Speaker 1: was stolen from her and that she was kicked out
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  Speaker 1: of the home she shared with Ebony. Here's a snippet
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  Speaker 1: of what she said.
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  Speaker 6: Lost a friendship with the two of them.
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  Speaker 3: Away in hell.
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  Speaker 1: I will ever, ever reach out to you again.
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  Speaker 4: You could have.
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  Speaker 6: Had your whole family shot dead.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be like, well, karma got you good.
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  Speaker 6: Karma's going to come around and I know where I'm
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  Speaker 6: headed and that's all the way to the top.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be looking down.
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  Speaker 5: And spitting on them.
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  Speaker 1: God, that is incredibly uncomfortable to listen to. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand what would have gone through her head to
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  Speaker 1: put that online. Well, she also acknowledged the issue on
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  Speaker 1: her TikTok. So she uploaded a photo of herself in
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  Speaker 1: the Allure warehouse with the caption, there's two bitches I
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  Speaker 1: want to sit down with and ask them who the
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  Speaker 1: fuck they think they are. For real though, where is
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  Speaker 1: live from Allure? No longer the business, but certainly not
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  Speaker 1: by choice. Now on Monday, Ebony entered the chat and
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  Speaker 1: made some pretty outrageous accusations against Olivia. From the get-go,
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  Speaker 1: I want to be clear that these are allegations at
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  Speaker 1: this point. They are yet to be proven. In saying that,
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  Speaker 1: Ebony backed up her commentary with a bunch of receipts.
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  Speaker 1: So there were a lot of screenshots of text messages, emails,
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  Speaker 1: and documents. But again, the validity of those receipts haven't
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  Speaker 1: been proven. Now that we've got that out of the way...
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  Speaker 1: Ebony said that after three weeks of online slander from Olivia,
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  Speaker 1: it was time for her to share her side of
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the story. Get the popcorn ready. Oh, my God. Now,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: she first debunked Olivia's claim that she kicked her out
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: of her house. So Ebony explained that after a series
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of incidents, living together was no longer tenable. Now, Ebony
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: claims that she said to Olivia, look, I'll move out.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: But Olivia said, no, I want to go. In terms
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: of those incidents, Ebony didn't skimp on the details. So
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: she claims that Olivia completely changed as a person as
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: soon as they moved in together and she claimed that
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Olivia was drinking and using substances every night and was
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: unhappy that she didn't want to join in. She then
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: said this.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's been times in everyone's lives where we've
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: dealt with people with mental health issues and substance abuse.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: It can be very hard to navigate and I definitely
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: never thought that this is the path that our friendship
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: would be going down or that any of these events
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: would have happened.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Now, things escalated one night after dinner when Ebony alleges
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: that Olivia and her boyfriend Harley engaged in loud sexual
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: activity in the lounge room. Ebony then recounted what allegedly
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: happened moments after the couple finished. I feel like that's
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a bad use of words there, Kate. Let's take a listen.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: After dinner was all finished, it was about 8.30pm. I
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: said I'm going to go to my room and put
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: some clothes away. Once we went into the room, we
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: were sitting in there. A few minutes later, there was
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: really loud noises coming from the lounge room. Intimate acts happening.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: I was kind of like, what the hell is happening?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: This can't be real. Olivia came into the room, tried
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: to show the tape that had just been filmed. We
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: didn't want to see. Showed pictures of her partner's penis
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: to the guy that was over as well. That continued
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: on throughout the night. I did say I felt very
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable and I asked if you could just go to
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: bed because I was going to sleep, to which I
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: got told I was boring.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Kate, you've been selling me this story all week. You're
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: saying it was a bit like Cookie Gate. This is outrageous.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Like Cookie Gate is so wholesome compared to this tale.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: This is X-rated Cookie Gate, isn't it? I mean, it's
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: just as petty as Cookie Gate, it seems. Well, hold on.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: It gets worse. So Ebony then went on to claim
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: that the following morning, Olivia called her into her bedroom
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: on the pretense of showing her something on her phone.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's like no more yeah surely alarm bells
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: would have been ringing at that point and Ebony claims
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: that the couple then started making out in front of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: her in bed and she claimed that Olivia was touching
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: her partner intimately under the covers and she said it
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: made her feel really uncomfortable so she went downstairs then
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Olivia and Ebony went to the gym and then went
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to their office And Ebony alleges that when they were
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: at the office, Olivia tried to show their employee, Maria,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the photos and videos from the night before. Wait, is
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that the sister? Yeah, so as I said at the start,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Maria's brother is dating Olivia. So clearly in any work setting,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: this would have been completely inappropriate. But when you add
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that Maria is also the sister of the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: guy in the video... It just is completely wild. I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: would have loved to have been a fly on the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: wall when this took place. Well, I don't think you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: would have when you hear the next thing. So then
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Ebony also claims that Olivia came to work with a
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: sex toy inserted inside herself, which she allegedly tried to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: show to Maria. What is Maria saying in this situation?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Because I don't actually have a brother, but I have
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: two cousins who are like my brother. And If one
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of their partners tried to show me any of this content,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I think I'd vomit everywhere. Or said that they had
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a sex toy inserted up herself from the brother. It
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: would absolutely fail. I would leave. I would quit this job. Well,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: that's actually what happened. But we'll go into that a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: little bit later because according to Ebony, this behaviour was
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg of Olivia's inappropriate work behaviour.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: That was the tip of the iceberg. I'm actually concerned
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: what is about to come out of your mouth, Kate. Well,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: strap in for this. So apparently a lot of shit
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: went down at a work conference and So Ebony alleges
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: that Olivia pinched a married man on the bum and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: also vaped in the conference room. Can you imagine just
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: being at this business conference and being like, what the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: fuck is going on? Where's the HR person here? Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Then the following morning, so they'd had conference night one,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: the following morning Olivia was overheard allegedly telling other business
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: owners that she'd driven home intoxicated. Apparently she said she
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: could barely see out of her eyes. Why can I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: imagine her being really obnoxious and just blowing vape smoke
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: in everyone's faces? Anyway, so yeah, she was telling people
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: about how she partied all night and then she started
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: again oversharing intimate details about her and her partner. This
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: was again in front of the staff member, Mariah. Now,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: according to Ebony, she tried to hold a mediation with
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Olivia after this string of misdemeanors, but nothing changed. String
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of misdemeanors, sorry. It was only when Mariah resigned due
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to these ongoing issues with Olivia that the company shareholders
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: got involved and it was decided that the business could
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: no longer operate with Olivia at the helm. And Ebony claims...
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Olivia was given the opportunity to negotiate a payout, which
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: included a percentage of shares and a money offer. I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: would argue that coming to work with a butt plug-in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: that was inserted by one of the employee's brothers was
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: probably the worst on the list.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Do you know what's funny? I just thought about how, like,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: what a strange scenario, but then I remembered that Sophie's
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: husband used to work with me and I'm like... Where
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: are you going with this story? Well, I'm just saying, like,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: can you imagine if the... Yeah, if Brandon came in
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and was like... I did this with you. Do you
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: want to see a video of your sister? You'd be like,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: oh my God, fuck off. I'm going to call the police.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Can I confirm that none of that has taken place
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: at all? The thing that I want to know about is,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously this is a very awkward work encounter,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: but what's happening behind closed doors with the family? Like,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: can you imagine if this happened and having to go
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and tell your parents like why you've suddenly quit this business? Sophie,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it gets so much worse and we will talk about
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the family dynamic later on. But what I want to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: talk to you now about is the financial state of
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a law. So what I found particularly interesting is that
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Ebony went on to divulge that a law is not
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: as successful as it makes out online. The business is
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: actually $ 250, 000 in debt and has been struggling from some time.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I can't at all see why. I was going to say,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: I feel like now after hearing what's been going on
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, that kind of makes a lot of sense.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: And this fact makes Ebony's next allegation even worse. So
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Ebony claims that while this initial discussion was taking place
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and negotiations were on the table... Olivia allegedly wiped their
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: joint business account clean of $ 85, 000. Now, this money was
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: not profit and it was actually set aside to pay
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: upcoming bills to manufacturers and suppliers and contractors. That is
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: absolutely outrageous. Obviously, the way their bank account was set up,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: they didn't both have to sign off on deposits like this. No,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: so we have a similar bank account set up where
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: we all have access to it. So it would be
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: like we had a dispute and you're like, hey, I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: kicking you out of the business. I'm just forwarding all
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: the money out of the account. This money that's been
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: put away for a tax bill right into the account
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: of Amy. So what allegedly happened was Ebony was getting
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: these notifications of money being transferred out of their joint account.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: And simultaneously, she then got an email from saying that
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: the password of Allure's Instagram account had been changed. She
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: then went and checked the Instagram account. It had been
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: deleted along with the TikTok. She also then discovered that
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: all the marketing collateral from Canva was deleted. So literally
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: six years of marketing collateral gone. And all of this
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: was happening simultaneously. So with no money to pay the
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: business bills, Ebony began the process of putting the business
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: into voluntary administration and At this point, she was advised
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: by lawyers that there was no longer an option for
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: negotiations with Olivia and she would have to be removed
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: from the business completely. Now, if you can believe it,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: once that settlement was complete, Olivia still allegedly received a
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: payment of $ 52, 000 for her shares. Has Olivia actually come
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: out and denied that she took the $ 85, 000 or she
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: just hasn't touched on any of these allegations? Well, as
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Sophie said at the start of the topic, she hasn't
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: actually put out a dedicated TikTok or real sharing her
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: side of the story. She's been sharing it sporadically on
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Instagram stories, which keep disappearing. She was asked about the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: money in a TikTok comment, which she responded, I transferred
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: money from the business shared account that was in my
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: name and Ebony's name and the money was returned. I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: think the one person I feel most sorry for in
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: this situation is Mariah, because not only is this affecting
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: her professionally, but personally, I mean, how could you get
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: those images ever out of your head of your brother? Well,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: it's actually really sad because this has caused a rift
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: between Mariah and her brother. Now, Olivia has come out
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and not so sensitively told Mariah publicly that her brother
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: has sided with her. Let's take a listen to what
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: Mariah has been very riled up and messaging Harley, giving
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: me a warning to not mention her or her family.
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: Unfortunately for you, Mariah, I'm a part of your family now.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: Your brother is going to marry me. You just cannot
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: believe he's standing by me.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: He never knew me at all.
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: He just worked for us. We had every Christmas, every birthday,
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: every funeral.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Merry Christmas.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: God, if this was my brother, that would absolutely rile
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: me up. I'm struggling to understand how a brother could
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: stand by and let his little sister be treated like this.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: There's going to be egg on his face at some
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: point when they break up and he has to come
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: crawling back. How old is the brother? He looks quite old.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but he looks like he's in his
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: 30s at least. Now, Olivia also directed this message at
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Mariah after she sent her a text trying to clear
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: the air. Let's take a listen.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Make sure you're proud of it because I'll fucking share it.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: You want to be a weak dog? You wouldn't say
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: that to my face because I would drag your ass
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: through the car park and beat the fucking living daylights
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: out of you. Fucking dick. Don't you dare send shit
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: like that, you spineless little rat.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I want to know if Mariah and Harley's mum has
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: seen Olivia's outbursts on social media because surely this isn't
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: painting her well in front of the family. She has.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: And apparently the mum is in full defence mode of
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the daughter.
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: No.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it's also really awful because Olivia has made some
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: serious accusations against Ebony and Mariah. I won't be repeating
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: them because she has yet to provide any plausible receipts
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and both Ebony and Mariah have denied what she said.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: The fact that this is all unfolding so publicly is
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: wild to me, considering that the business still has shareholders
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and it's still operating, like they're still selling stuff. Do
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you think this could be some marketing master ploy by
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: ebony because i've seen a lot of people in the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: comments saying god i'm gonna buy something from you i
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: feel so bad for you i don't think so would
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: you buy from this brand no i wouldn't buy from
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: this brand i know that they've gotten rid of olivia
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and people want to come out in support of ebony
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and mariah but i personally wouldn't want to wear a
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: brand name splashed across my chest that has anything to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: do with olivia The fucked thing is Ebony has now
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: taken on all of the debt from the company. So
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: she is personally liable for the $ 250, 000 of debt that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: both of the women actually rung up whilst they were
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: in charge of this business. So I actually think a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: lot more people will be buying from the brand than
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: you would think because this has gone absolutely viral. People
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: People have really picked sites. Most people are on Ebony site.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing I will say is we
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: have been urging influencers to be more interesting. And I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: think that Olivia really has taken one for the team there.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: This is what she told her trolls the other night.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: Before I finish my night off with watching Shrek, I
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: swear to God, anyone who is in like these Facebook
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: groups or like on TikTok or in any of the
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: comment section is.
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: Either fat.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Ugly, has shit teeth or they look like they're a
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: dole bludger. Unfortunately for you, I am none of those things.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: So fuck up, you ugly, fat freak and go get
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: a fucking job. And it's clear that your husband doesn't
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: fuck you good. So go fucking finger bash yourself and
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: smell your fingers after because I guarantee they fucking stink
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: because you've got gonorrhea, you dirty bitch.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. I have never heard anything like this
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: online and I'm here for it. I have to say,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I think I'm going to go and follow her. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: don't think it's absolutely appalling behavior, but I haven't heard
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: the term finger bashing for quite a while. It was
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: when she said, before I go and watch Shrek.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I'm wholesomely watching Shrek. Well, you fat gonorrhea written finger.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Did you see her at the hairdressers as well? She
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: was talking about how everyone's so jealous of her because
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: she's so attractive. We'll insert that clip here because it's
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: actually very funny.
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: Hang on.
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: Unfortunately for all the ugly people that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Are coming for me, I'm about to get so much
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: better looking.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: I think I'm going to go get my.
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: Eyebrows done, lashes done, and I'm going to get Botox
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: and my.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Lip filler done.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: But this is like the ugliest that I will be
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: and I'm sort of fucking stunning, so.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Now she's actually getting ready to go on a Bali
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: trip with Sky Wheatley. If you can believe it, those
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: two are friends. I can believe it. Yeah, I can
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: believe it. It's so funny because people are really confused
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: about whether she actually is Irish because there's other clips
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: where she speaks in a full Australian accent and people
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: are like, hang on, I'm confused. Your accent keeps changing.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Surely she's Irish though. I do love an Irish accent.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: So maybe she is putting it on to sort of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: garner some more fans. It's funny you say that because
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I watched Ebony's videos first and I was like, oh
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: my God, this is appalling. And then when I clicked
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: on Olivia's, I was like, why do I have a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: bit of a soft spot for her because she's got
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: an Irish accent?
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: Like, I don't know.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: It made her feel a bit more removed.
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Is that because we all have a bit of a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: love for international influences? Yeah, but surely your soft spot
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: dropped when you started calling everyone ugly and talked about
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: them finger bashing themselves. I'm definitely team Ebony and Mariah,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: but I can't lie. I did follow her in my
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: finster because I need to keep up with her update.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Kate wants to hear what happens at the end of Shrek.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I want to hear what happens in Bali. I think
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: we all love a villain, don't we? And one who's
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: so unashamedly just themselves, who like there were no fucks
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: given when she released these Instagram stories. And I think
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: we need a bit more rogueness online. Well, I await
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: with bated breath because surely next week we're going to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: be discussing some drama in Bali involving Sky Wheatley and
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Olivia O'Neill. Well, on that note, that is where we're
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: going to leave things today. If you want to hear
• 31:26
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• 31:29
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• 31:34
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• 31:37
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