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Oil, Cellphones and Craziness · Plausibly Live - The Dave Bowman Show Podcast

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I'm Grant Ledger. Stay tuned for the Dave Bowman
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Show. The world is a complicated
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place. Fortunately, Dave Bowman has
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opinions, some informed, some inconvenient, and a few that may
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require supporting documentation, history,
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politics, and the absurdity of modern life.
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This is the Dave Bowman Show. Well, good morning, good evening
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or good afternoon, wherever you are, whatever you do.
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A lot of things happening in the world today, most of them are
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far beyond our control, you might say.
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So perhaps it's time we took a pause and thought about life,
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thought about Venezuelan oil, cell phones and the
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constitution. And yes, sadly, even I have been
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paying some attention to the trial of the century.
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Not proud of it. What I've been doing.
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Don't touch that dial. Just try to hear me out for a
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little while. Today is a great example of the
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crazy schedule that I have. I know I'm retired, so it
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shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it's a pain.
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Bugs. See, my wife works nights.
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She's supposed to get off work at 7:30, which means because
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it's hospital time sometime between 7:30 and noon, and
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because we're a single car family, I have to wait for her
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to call and say come get me. Or on occasion I get a ride.
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She got a ride. Then school started yesterday so
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Ben is back on doing homework. So now he gets up earlier and
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wants breakfast. So I got to make breakfast while
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I'm listening to the phone to make sure Cammy doesn't need a
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ride or whatever. And anyway, that's why I can't
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always do a live show at exactly the same time.
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That's why I can't record all the time at exactly the same
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time. There are two exceptions to
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that. What the frock is set in stone.
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And of course, Dave does history on Bill Nick live because
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that's, you know, 3 in the morning, so nobody cares.
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There you go. President announced this week
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that he had reached a deal with Venezuela to provide oil to the
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United States of America. Washington announced that we
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would have majority control over 65 billion barrels of Venezuela
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oil. This was then framed as a
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historic masterstroke which would supposedly tame gas prices
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and replenish replenish our depleted strategic reserves.
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This is a classic case, folks, of policy rhetoric.
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Look, I, I, I voted for Trump. I, I support Trump.
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I'm, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm that.
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But this is the kind of thing that it isn't what it appears on
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paper. There are some problems here.
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Number one, this 65 billion barrels of Venezuelan oil is not
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this, this is not light Texas sweet crude folks.
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This is, it's been defined to me, described to me as extra
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heavy. It's crude.
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It's almost tar. So if you've ever stepped on a
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roof or something like that, in the old days they used to make,
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you know, put tar on roofs. This is what that is.
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And the problem with that is because it's extra heavy Petuma
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sludge with a gravity of under 10°, whatever the hell that
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means. I'm not a, I'm not a geologist.
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It it will not move through a standard pipe unless you dilute
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it and you have to upgrade things with it.
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It's full of sulfur, vanadium, nickel, which are all corrosive,
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toxic and difficult to process. That's the bad news.
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Now, the good news is that almost all of the US Gulf Coast
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refinery complexes love this extra heavy tar like oil.
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They are built to handle that. And the reason they were built
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to handle that is because this stuff trades at a very big
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discount. This, this, this isn't the oil
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everybody wants. This isn't the sleet.
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You know, this isn't cheap turnkey energy, though.
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And that's the thing to keep in mind.
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So even though our refineries are set up for it, at least on
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the Gulf Coast, this isn't necessarily the oil solution
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that we we think we want. It's heavy, it's corrosive and
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it problematic. Now, the bigger problem here, of
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course, is the history in Venezuela with Hugo Chavez and
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Nicolas Maduro having nationalized the oil in
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Venezuela. They forced things to go, you
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know, that way. They voided concession
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agreements. They outright expropriated
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ExxonMobil and Conoco Phillips assets in the area that
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basically just stole them. And under Article 12 of the
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Venezuelan constitution, the subsoil mineral rights belong
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permanently and inalienable to the Republic.
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So handing a 25 to 100 year concession or effectively equity
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control to a foreign backed entity that would be us is
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legally suspect in Caracas. The moment the political
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leverage shifts, any Venezuelan court or successor government
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might just tear that up again. And then you end up with, you
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know, problems downstream. What happens if these assets are
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seized again by the next Venezuelan government?
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Trump's only going to be in office for another two years,
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folks. What happens when the next
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president doesn't have his will to enforce those?
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You've got some problems there with what's known as
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dilipidation. This idea that the the
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infrastructure, the oil infrastructure in Venezuela has
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really been hurt. Years of corruption, gross
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management, brain drain, the electric grids trip daily.
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You know you're going to need electricity to do this.
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Upgrades are rusted out, the pipelines are leaking, the
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offshore terminals are are not up to standard.
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So all of this is going to require a great deal of
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investment on our part just to bring that output up from where
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it is right now, which is about 1.2 million barrels up to
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meaningful export levels. It's going to require 10s of
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billions in capital and our company is going to be willing
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to do that knowing that Venezuela remains fairly
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unstable and who knows what tomorrow holds with this.
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Now again, the argument that this is basically TAR is not
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really all that applicable since we're set up to deal with that.
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But you got to get it out of the ground and that's not easy.
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You got to get it shipped, you got you got to do all these
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things. And all that requires money.
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It requires infrastructure, it requires all these things.
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And who's going to write that? Check big oil boardrooms,
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they're getting burned about that.
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Are private operators going to pour billions of dollars into
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this remembering that they're building all this stuff there?
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If if Venezuela's just going to come back and go, well, that
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belongs to us. You can't govern global markets
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via a press release. That's the whole point of all
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this. Unless there is a true rule of
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law in in in Venezuela, Caracas and a durable multi
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administration stability in Washington, this Venezuelan oil
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bonanza is it's not quite illusion, but it's also not
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certain. It's a high risk diplomatic
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theater built on what is essentially low grade sludge.
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And who knows how well that's going to last, Who knows how
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well that's going to happen. It sounds great.
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I, I'll be the first to admit, it sounds great.
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It sounds wonderful. It sounds like the kind of thing
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we really want to get involved with.
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You could argue that's why we went in there in the 1st place.
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Is it better for the Venezuelan people?
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Probably. But at the end of the day, it's
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not going to be as easy, cheap or quick as people want you to
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believe. Stay with us, we'll be right
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back. You can text or call the show
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today, 209565 Dave. That's 209-565-3283.
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E-mail is dave@thedavebowmanshow.com and
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check out past episodes at the Dave bowmanshow.com.
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Welcome back to Plausibly Live. I'm Dave, glad you're with us
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today. So one of the things I really
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miss about the radio days, if you can say that was what we
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call Constitution Thursday. It was a day where we sat down
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and at the 5:00 hour on Thursday and we went through the
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Constitution and, and it started in 2010.
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I had this idea. I wanted to do a Constitutional
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coffee klatch. We were playing on some of the
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verbiage that was being popularized back then and I was
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trying to find a place where we could do it.
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And the, the corporate folks were saying you got to have a
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sponsor, you got to have this. You can't just, you can't just
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show up to a restaurant and do that.
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I mean, you got to have, sorry, I got to move this microphone a
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little bit. And so eventually that idea
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failed and it became the Afternoons Live Book Guild,
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which was completely unrelated and not nearly what I wanted to
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do, but we were able to turn Thursday at 5:00 into
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Constitution Thursday. And while it was fun and
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interesting and learning for me, it really hit its stride in in
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October of 2011 when John Constantine joined the show.
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And, and, and that's really where Constitution Thursday, I,
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I have all of the shows stored. I, I kind of put everything
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before October of 2011 in a, in a file box somewhere and saying,
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yeah, we did that, but it's not what it ultimately became.
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And with John, it really became a, a different kind of thing
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because of John's background, not being conservative, not
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being, you know, part of it coming from a radio world.
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And the remarkable thing about him transforming not into a
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conservative. I'm not going to sit here and
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tell you he became a conservative because he didn't.
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But he began to see things differently than your average
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person would have done. So.
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And that was the whole point of Constitution Thursday.
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The other day, I was sitting here just minding my own
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business, as I so often do, and my text on my phone went off
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beep, beep, beep. And it was a text from John of
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all people. Now, John and I have talked
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occasionally. We we don't we tried to keep the
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Dave and John show going. But again, we ran into the same
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problems I run into with schedules.
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And, you know, he's in school and I'm retired and, you know,
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those kinds of things were, were, were there.
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So here's this text and it says, quote, God, I miss Constitution
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Thursday. This is exactly the sort of
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thing we would spend an afternoon on.
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And he sent me a link to a story.
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And he's absolutely right. It's the kind of thing that we
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would have spent a great deal of time on and enjoyed ourselves.
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And I can imagine going back and forth and the whole story's
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about a guy returning from the Dominican Republic and his, his
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name is Samuel Tunic, and he went to the Dominican Republic
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in January of 2025. He was flying back.
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He landed in Atlanta and was detained.
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Now detain does not arrest. This is the important thing to
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keep in mind. And customs officials seized his
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Google Pixel phone, and they wanted to access its contents.
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They said you will allow us to see what's on your phone.
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He eventually supplied what was known as a secondary duress
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passcode configured through a program called Graphene OS,
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which instead of unlocking the phone, basically bricked it,
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erased all the data on, on the phone.
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And that's when he was arrested and charged.
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Not with whatever they thought might be on the phone, which is
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a broad assumption. We're assuming that they thought
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something might be on the phone. As it turns out, Samuel Tunic is
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something of a leftist activist. He's something of a, you know,
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he, he prides himself on being, I guess not necessarily anti
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American, but pro Dominic. I don't know.
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He, he's certainly a leftist and so whatever they thought might
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be on his phone with and who knows what that was, who knows
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what the government thought might be on his phone.
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I strongly suspect that they don't have any idea.
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They were just fishing. That's my opinion.
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I can't prove it, but it's sort of the way this seems to be
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going. Since he bricked his phone, he
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gave them the code. They actually bricked his phone
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for him. The federal prosecutors did not
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charge him with what they thought was on his phone.
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They charged him instead under what is known as 18 USC 2232 a,
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which is destroying property to prevent a lawful government
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seizure. Did you know that such a law
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existed? By the way, that comes with a
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penalty of five years in prison. So it raises questions when the
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government demands access to your digital life, do you retain
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the right to close the door or does it become an obstruction?
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Now, again, depending on what side of the fence you're on, you
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might see things differently. The border search exception is
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an old and constitutionally established law.
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The federal government must be able to intercept weapons,
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drugs, contraband, trafficking, foreign Sorry cables moving
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here, foreign agents, and other threats.
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Makes sense, right? You don't want that stuff
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entering the country, and a routine border inspection would
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help prevent that. They don't require warrants, nor
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do they require probable cause, So the prosecution's argument in
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this case is pretty straightforward.
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The officers in question had a lawful authority to inspect and
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seize the phone. Did they?
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The data constituted property subject to seizure.
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Tunic, they argue, knowingly supplied a code that bricked the
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phone that destroyed the data, and he acted after being stopped
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while officials were attempting the search.
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Timing here is what matters. Erasing a phone before the trip
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could demonstrate a general desire for privacy.
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Triggering a wipe after officers already have it in their hands
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kind of resembles shredding documents while investigators
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are standing at the door. A constitutional government,
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goes the argument, must possess sufficient authority to defend
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its borders and basically, the ideas of liberty.
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Libertarianism, not the party, doesn't require that us to
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pretend that the border is constitutionally meaningless.
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That said, there was a court case back in 2014, Riley V
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California, in which the Supreme Court decided unanimously, by
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the way, that the police need a warrant to search the content of
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a cell phone during an arrest. If they seize your phone, in the
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words of Justice Roberts himself, get a warrant.
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The phone's not going anywhere. There is no exigent circumstance
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here, right? The The phone isn't going
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anywhere. You've got it under control.
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It's not moving. Go get a warrant.
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The court there rejected the idea that the phone should be
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treated like a wallet, cigarette pack or other physical
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container. A phone may contain literally
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years worth of messages, photographs, financial records.
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Look, we all have stuff on our phones that we don't want other
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people to see. Don't look, don't send me the
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text. Yes, you do.
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I guarantee you there's something on your phone
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somewhere that you don't want other people to know about.
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You don't want other people to see.
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Everybody has it. Otherwise they wouldn't have,
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you know, hide modes and that sort of thing.
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The the problem here, you could have financial records, medical
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information. In fact, I was just updating my
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emergency medical information this morning.
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It could show your location. We talk about these flog
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cameras. What about your phone?
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If they can access that, then they have information like that.
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Personal associations who you associate with could be in there
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and searching. It can reconstruct much of a
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person's life. Now the traditional reasons for
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a search to arrest also fit. Search incident to arrest, sorry
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also fit poorly. Digital data cannot be used as a
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as a weapon. You cannot stab someone with a
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cell phone photograph. Police can secure the the the
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the phone while obtaining a warrant.
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They can say you can't go nowhere.
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The possibility of a remote wiping does not justify
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searching every phone without judicial authorization.
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What happens when the government just decides everybody getting
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off that plane? Give us your phone, give us your
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code, we're going to search. Theoretically, the government's
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argument is that they can do that, and genuine emergencies
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would still permit warrantless action under the right exigent
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circumstance. If, if that were to occur, it's
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hard to imagine what it would be.
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And again, to quote Justice John Roberts himself, sorry, Chief
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Justice John Roberts himself, if officers want to search the
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phone, quote, get a warrant. Now, that limitation is critical
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because Riley concerned a search following an arrest, not a
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border search. It is established, then, that
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phone data deserves heightened 4th Amendment protection, but it
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did not decide whether that principle modifies the border
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search exception or not. And therein lies the problem.
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Your rights under this situation right now basically depend on
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where your airplane lands. Yeah, you heard that right.
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Federal appeals courts have disagreed about digital border
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searches. The 11th Circuit Court, which
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includes Georgia, permits forensic electronic searches
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without individualized suspicion.
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In other words, we don't have any reason to search your phone,
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but we're OK with it if they do. In Atlanta, this is an
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International Airport. The 4th, the 9th and the 1st
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Circuit Courts, however, have imposed greater restrictions,
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generally requiring reasonable suspicion for advanced forensic
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searches, which means get a warrant.
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The 9th Circuit Court has also distinguished between searching
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for digital contraband and searching for evidence of
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unrelated domestic crimes. Who would have been in the in
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the lifetime ever imagined the 9th Circuit Court being the most
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intelligent court? We got out there it it when I
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started in my radio career. We called it the Ninth Circus
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for a reason. The practical result of all this
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is difficult to defend. An American citizens privacy
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protection may actually depend on whether his flight lands in
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Atlanta, Boston or Seattle or San Francisco.
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Searching for a device. Searching a device for
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contraband entering the country is closely connected to border
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enforcement. Searching years of messages for
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evidence of political activity or unrelated domestic offenses
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often resembles an ordinary criminal investigation.
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But if that's the case, then the warrant should apply.
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And that's really the issue now. In September of 2025, nine
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months after Mr. Tunic was arrested, President Trump issued
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National Security Presidential Memorandum 7 called Countering
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Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence.
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The stated purpose of this memo was to identify the
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organization's financial networks and logistical support
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behind politically motivated violence.
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And we have seen some results of this recently, haven't we?
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We had a new story this week, I believe, or it was late last
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week, about some of the organizations being found to
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have provided these these support for these political
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violence actions. It directed the federal agencies
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to coordinate domestic terrorism investigations through the Joint
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Terrorism Task Forces and investigate organizers, funders
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and supporting networks, not just the people committing the
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violent acts. They wanted to trace financial
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support, examine whether nonprofits were financing
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illegal activity and they did prioritize organized violence or
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criminalized criminal obstruction directed at
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immigration enforcement and other federal operations.
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Unquestionably, our government needs to be able to investigate
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violence, criminal conspiracies and material support.
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The constitutional concern, however, comes in in this the
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broad ideological language in this MP or NSPM 7.
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It identifies specifically anti American, anti capitalism,
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hostility towards Christianity, extremism involving migration,
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immigration, race, gender, family, religion and morality as
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possible indicators of a threat environment.
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Let that marinate for just a moment.
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Remember how upset you were when the Biden and Obama
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administration said that? Well, if you belong to this
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organization, you are a potential terrorist.
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Remember when they told us that Veterans, the very fact that you
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were a veteran made you a national security risk?
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Now the administration is putting out an A memo, a
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national security memo, basically saying, hey, you need
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to look at people who are anti American, who are critical of
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law enforcement, who are doing things that we don't necessarily
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like. The power created to investigate
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left wing activists won't be confined to left wing activists,
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folks. The shame machinery can be
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flipped and direct. We've already seen this directed
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against gun right organizations, religious conservatives, tax
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protesters, groups, journalists, or opponents of a future
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administration. And of course the chronology in
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all of this matters because Tunic is claiming that it was
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that that NSPM 7 that encouraged the officials to to do what they
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did with him. The problem is that the memo
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didn't come out until seven months after he was arrested.
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It may have influenced later investigations, but it certainly
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did not 'cause or lead to the initial arrest.
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Tunic says that he installed graphene OS because activists
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such as himself are frequently subjected to surveillance lock
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cameras. Maybe his personal politics are
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left wing and many conservative listeners may dislike the things
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that he's involved with. Stop cop city movement, those
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sorts of things. But that's why the
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constitutional principle matters.
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The Bill of Rights does not protect only respectable people
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or agreeable movements. People lock their houses, seal
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their letters, close their curtains, encrypt their
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computers and hire attorneys without thereby admitting that
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they've done something wrong. And this is the big argument,
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you know, with flock and surveillance and those kinds of
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things. The very fact that that I don't
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want you to know where I'm going doesn't mean that I'm doing
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something wrong. It means that it's what's,
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what's the phrase? Oh, yeah, none of your damn
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business. Section 2232A applies when
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someone destroys property to prevent a seizure by officials
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acting under lawful authority. The prosecution in this case,
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therefore, cannot logically separate the obstruction card
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charge from the legitimacy of the underlying search.
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If the search was lawful under the border exemption, then
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Tunic's deliberate destruction of the data may satisfy that
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statute. If officers use the border
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authority as a pretext to investigate personal political
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activity or some unrelated domestic offense, the
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government's case becomes very troubling, constitutionally
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speaking. Tunic also alleges that he was
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detained, denied access to counsel, placed on a watch list
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without judicial involvement. Those allegations need to be
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investigated and they need to be examined, but they do not in
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automatically invalidate the search.
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Miranda warnings, access to counsel, Watch list procedures,
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Border authority, and the admissibility of evidence are
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related, but these are legally separated issues.
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A sound constitutional rule would preserve meaningful border
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authority without turning every International Airport into a
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Fourth Amendment free zone. Routine physical inspections of
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a device can remain within traditional border authority and
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advanced forensic search of an American citizens.
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That's key digital history should require at a minimum
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reasonable suspicion connected to a legitimate border purpose
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and get a warrant. It's not that hard to do.
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I don't think Tunic should receive automatic immunity
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because he used software instead of a paper shredder, but the
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government should not be able to attain a felony conviction
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simply by declaring a warrant. Least warrantless search lawful.
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We've decided that's lawful because if our side will do it,
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their side will do it. And pretty soon you'll be
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choosing your airline flights based not on anything other
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than, well, you know, I got to figure out where my airplane is
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landing because if I don't know, I got to make sure I get to the
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right place. The Constitution does not
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require us to choose between having a border and having
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private lives. It requires that the government
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defends the first without causally, casually invading the
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second, Right? He's the Constitution's limits
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on the government, not us. And it's really simple.
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You want to search my phone? Get a warrant?
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Be right back. For reasons that I can only
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describe as apparently I have way too much free time, I, I've
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been following the Lindsey Clancy trial, trial, not so much
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the trial itself. I, I think I've already reached
30:40
my conclusion on the trial of the, the, the facts involved.
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And I don't really want to talk about the case, particularly
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because 10 minutes from now it could be different.
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We don't know what's going to happen.
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As I record this right now, we know that the jury told the
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judge yesterday they couldn't reach a unanimous verdict.
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He sent them back. We know that supposedly some of
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the jurors were wearing pink. We know that a woman by the name
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of Don Light, if that's her real name, has been arrested and
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arraigned for intimidating the jurors.
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She was trying to videotape the jurors as they were leaving the
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courtroom yesterday. Tell me that's not intimidation.
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What? Why would you do this?
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Because you intend to use that if you don't get you the verdict
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that you want, right? She's trying to taint the jury
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pool. She's been arraigned already.
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She's facing 20 years, 20 years in jail for this.
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And yet at the same time, theoretically, Lindsay Clancy
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could be free within hours of of right now.
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Who knows what's going to end up happening because I sure don't.
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But at the end of the day, we don't know and I don't want to
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talk about it because again, by the time you actually hear this,
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things might be different. I will tell you though, that I
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spent way too much time last night.
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I, I couldn't sleep. I was having a hard time
32:11
sleeping. And I got on X Twitter, whatever
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you want to call it, X. And I just started reading
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tweets. I just started reading what
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people were saying about this stuff, what what people were
32:25
thinking, and it just baffled me.
32:30
It just amazed me, the insanity that's involved with this. 100
32:34
years from now, people are going to look back at this stuff and
32:37
they're going to look at these tweets on X and they're going to
32:40
say these people were freaking insane.
32:53
Lindsay Clancy probably delivered many live babies but
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also dead ones due to abortion. Since labor and delivery isn't
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exclusive to live births and as a nurse.
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You don't have a choice. In which one you participate in
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thus. Her mind and soul was already
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compromised it.
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Yes, the women's movement started a long time ago, but we
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are now living in the post George Floyd era and the post
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TDs. Era I don't know how our society
33:44
ever recovers. The USA will be a functioning
33:59
dystopian authoritarian state. So for Democrats, for now, it.
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Suits their purposes to be non functional.
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It's a lot more than just voting when the critical mass of women
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are like. This I don't see much of A
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future worth living. In I mean.
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We're basically. Living in hell.
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Yeah, I agree. If this is how the mass majority
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of women are going to act, then maybe we shouldn't be allowed to
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vote. I'm just saying this
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murder people because of lack of sleep.
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What a precedence this is setting?
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Agreed. The other critical mass of
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people that destroys our country are those that are dependent on
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the government for support. Non taxpayers should not be
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allowed to vote. To take.
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More of our money for themselves.
35:04
While they contribute nothing. Tick Tock has literally done
35:08
irreparable damage to the general consciousness of people
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40. And under I'm nervous that young
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people right now will be the last generation with parents
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that have family values and the ability to have independent
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thought. Thank you.
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We have long past the time where qualifications need to be
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considered for the right to. Vote.
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An amendment will never. Happen however.
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So there really is only 1 constitutional way.
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To turn this ship around. Precisely right.
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We have to come back to a system where voting is a privilege.
35:43
You need to own a house empire, and she chooses who
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shall. If this was 1600, Salem, New
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England, we could just hang burn the witch.
36:26
But we have daughters who have established that schizophrenia
36:30
is not the devil. But.
36:32
Rather the medical. Illness, major depression with
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psychosis, hallucinations. So before we condemn her, we
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should think hard. Those are actual tweets just
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from last night, just from like an hour last night that I was
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following along and I look 28 minutes ago as I record this at
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10:30 on September 2nd, 28 minutes ago, another mother just
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killed her two year old child in Illinois, then tried to harm
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herself. I we're screwed, folks, we're
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screwed either way. I mean, this is the idea that
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this thing is going the direction that's going to go is
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bizarre and I have no idea how to explain it to you don't have
37:26
the words for it. I just don't take the time right
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now. Tell the people that matter in
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your life. You love them very much.
37:32
You'd miss them if they weren't there.
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So don't pass up those opportunities.
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You don't want to have that regret plausibly live.
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I'm Dave Bowman. This is my show plausibly live,
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