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February 11 Court Hearings: Judge Boyd, Simpson, Middleton + More | TCF Podcast #229 · The Courtroom Files

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  Good morning everybody. Happy Wednesday.
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  Welcome to TCF Live. It's good to have you all with
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  me this morning. Let's start our day in Michigan
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  with Judge Michael McNally, not to be confused with his brother
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  Bob who we discussed in the pre show today.
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  And now here you are. You're going to ask me for time
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  to pay, See how smart I am. I mean, it's just, it's just a
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  replay. How much do you have today?
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  I don't have any. Why not?
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  Well, really, actually, I forgot about you.
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  Forgot about it. So that's the wrong thing to
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  tell the judge What happened? Did you hear what I said?
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  That is the wrong thing to tell the judge.
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  I forgot about it. OK.
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  I don't know how you can forget about it.
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  I wouldn't forget to pay my taxes.
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  You know what I mean? I want to forget to pay my
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  mortgage. Where do you work?
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  I actually do transportation, but I was actually.
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  Going through a. Separation with my wife.
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  So I hadn't been out here and I totally, totally slid.
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  You make it sound like you live in Brownstown, right?
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  Yeah, but we're doing a separation.
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  So I found I'm standing rumless these glass like it's not that
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  far. Yeah, but I didn't get the.
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  Memo. So it was.
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  It was a real didn't get the memo.
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  Just my house and it was a little off so.
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  How old are you? I'm 40.
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  Go ahead. Family grow up, don't you think?
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  Tell me when you're going to pay this A full year, son, I can
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  give you a payment plan. No, I just.
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  Want the warrant because I'm not lifting the warrant and not
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  listen to me. You just want the warrant
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  lifted. Why do you need the warrant
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  lifted? So you come in here and you want
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  me to do you a favor when you've been spitting on us for 11
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  months and now come in here at 12-11 months and now come in
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  here and tell me I just want the warrant lifted.
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  Maybe I don't want to lift the warrant.
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  Maybe I want to send you to jail.
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  You think I'm kidding, don't you?
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  I get. What do you need the warrant
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  lifted for? Well, maybe.
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  Listen, you have ignored us completely for 11 months.
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  I don't want to hear I forgot about.
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  That's a non. That's not an issue.
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  You don't forget about it. And if you forgot about it, then
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  you're even more irresponsible than I think.
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  And that's hard for me to imagine at this point.
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  I want the warrant lifted. I wanted to be president.
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  We don't get everything we want. You come here with no money.
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  Why aren't you working? You said you do some transfer
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  ticket. How much do you make?
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  I make 18 hours. How many hours do you work?
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  Like I said. 70. 7. Hours a day.
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  How many days do you work 4? 4.
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  So you work 28 hours a week. Why aren't you working more
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  prime earning years of your life?
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  28 hours a week, $18.00 an hour. That's somewhere in the
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  neighborhood of $520 a week grows.
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  You got me, graduate. Why don't you work?
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  I'm the Barbara's just in the slowest vegetation.
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  I wish everybody could do this just for a couple days and we'll
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  find out how irresponsible society is.
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  You know that I'll. Pay.
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  I can pay it on the first. The whole thing.
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  Yeah. Where you going to get that kind
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  of money? I won't get it from my third.
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  Well, there's I just wanted. To get this cleared up, I'm
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  going. To let you pay 50 a week, and
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  we're going to start this beginning now.
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  I don't care if you want to get it from your dad, you get it
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  from your dad. Pay 50 per week beginning
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  February the 20th. If you don't have the money, I'm
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  reissuing the warrant, OK? If you call the court, you say
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  judge, I don't have the money. I had a bad week, no problem.
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  But you can't do this. You got to act more responsible
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  than this. So you call the court if you
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  don't have the money. No problem.
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  Call the court. We'll go on Zoom.
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  I'll get an extension. Stop ignoring courts.
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  It's a bad habit. Good luck.
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  Knights Lane Holding, LLC. You're all set.
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  25-B8255825-B82632, ma'am, the voting ma'am.
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  Go to the photo, ma'am, What is your name?
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  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You got to go 10 times as loud
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  as that. Nice and loud.
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  So that's. Already.
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  What is your position with Knights Lane?
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  Are you? You're not a lawyer, are you?
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  Or are you? I need listen.
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  So now this is blossomed. Actually, this is Judge Hessen's
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  case, isn't it? Heather, I think this is Judge
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  Hessens, right or not? Oh, you got show cost.
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  You show cost the owner. Where you been?
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  Why haven't you shown up? I.
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  Was trying to coordinate with the with the city about this and
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  I already. We've sent notices out no.
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  No. Wait a minute, I want you to
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  listen to me. I can't hardly hear you.
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  You haven't shown up in this courthouse on two different
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  dates that we gave you and now we had the show cause you as the
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  owner as to why you shouldn't be held in contempt and be sent to
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  jail. Listen, you need a lawyer and
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  you need a lawyer fast. You need to hire a lawyer.
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  You can't represent the corporation on a criminal case.
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  Why? You've been blowing us off.
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  Now keep your voice up. I need to hear you.
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  I can't hardly hear you. No.
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  I needed to come to the court. This was the first time I I saw
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  the noise that I. Heather, is this not Judge
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  Hudson's? Judge, there should be two cases
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  for a night's holdings. One is ours that she needs to be
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  oh wait, you know what, now that I'm looking, I'm sorry, the one
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  that she needs to be arraigned and it's showing it falls under
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  her. But let me just double check
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  that date. I also did while I have you on
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  here, receive a phone call from an attorney at the end of the
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  day yesterday saying that they were going to be retained.
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  They just couldn't make the court date today.
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  But they never filed a. As far as they know better than
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  that, we're not, we're not adjourning everything.
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  So a lawyer, I'm sorry if we don't have an appearance, As far
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  as I'm concerned, the lawyer who purportedly was going to
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  represent them is not the lawyer representing them.
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  It's basic. They they should have known that
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  the first day they got out of law school.
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  So Judge, I'm looking in the non payment one is ours and the one
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  that she has never been ringed on is Judge.
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  Here's what I'm doing. I'm rescheduling.
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  Please can you spell your name for me again?
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  Desa. Odessa, the company.
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  From Gessa and last name CODILLA.
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  CODILLAI, I'll just make a note. You appeared.
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  We're rescheduling this. You need a lawyer.
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  Reschedule. This can go primarily on Judge
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  Houston. So we what do we do on the 25th?
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  That we that would be a crossover on our day.
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  We could do that though. Well, whatever day.
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  Or she has them on March 4th. What's that?
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  March 4th Judge Houston have Brownstown.
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  Does anybody have Brownstown next week?
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  She does have on the 18th, yes. I'm going to reschedule this to
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  February 18th at We'll do at 9:45.
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  You need a lawyer. OK, You spent the ticket.
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  You got to be careful with this. This ticket was issued back in
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  April of 25. I.
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  For some reason I saw the ticket last month and I was trying to
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  coordinate with the city about how to do about this.
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  Here's what needs to happen. They this is what happened just
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  so you they wrote you for failure to rental register your
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  when you didn't show up on the civil infraction, it turned into
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  a misdemeanor. So now you have a civil
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  infraction. You're in default on that, the
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  company is in default on that they owe 198 on and you got Did
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  you paid this I? Think that when I became aware
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  of it, I've been. Asking the city.
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  How I can pay it and initially we misunderstood because I
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  couldn't find it online. And then how?
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  Did you pay it? Did you pay through it?
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  I was able to. I kept trying something because
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  I was finally able to talk to somebody yesterday to get
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  assistance that could guide. Me in it.
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  And then they told me how how to pay but initially all.
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  Right, let's slow down. Did you pay it at the court?
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  The online payment system. Do we have?
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  I not if she if she paid it within the last couple or the
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  last 24 hours prior to that it has not been paid Judge it went
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  through yesterday the the payment file how?
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  Long does that take for us to figure that out when they pay on
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  the. If she used the one system, I
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  can look right now, I'm going to look.
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  Yeah, look now and I got a better idea if she's.
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  Ma'am, did you pay on the site that charged a fee the EE ports
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  and she did E ports stock? I'll tell you what I'm going to.
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  Do yeah, that did not go through, Judge.
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  We don't have no payment. e-mail me the receipt though.
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  Well. Listen, here's what I'm going to
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  do. I'm going to let you go down the
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  hall. You see if you can resolve this
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  with her. If she pays this, I'm going to
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  send it to Brownstown. They might just go ahead and
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  dismiss the misdemeanor, but I need proof So.
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  So can you figure that out? Do I need to send the file down
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  or can you do it with her just going down and showing you her
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  receipt? She can come down with the
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  receipt, we can look at it go. Down.
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  There, and we'll figure something out, but you can't
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  ignore these things, OK. All right, go down and talk to
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  her. We'll see if you paid.
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  If she has, tell me. I'm going to call on Miss Foley
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  Carter on this. OK, Thanks.
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  You're going to. Go out.
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  That edge, see the doors in the back and then go.
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  All the way. Down the end of the hall, OK.
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  All right. Thanks.
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  National Electric LLC 26B-825-O3.
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  Good morning Council. How are you dear Lord and Todd
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  Barryford have behalf of National Electric.
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  So you registered with the your company, the company registered
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  with the Township and they're going to go to just go ahead and
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  dismiss, right. That way understanding there's a
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  move to dismiss. We have no objection to that.
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  We have verified they have registered with the Township and
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  then any issues with a permit or inspection.
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  Have been. Handled OK.
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  All right. Good enough.
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  They've moved into dismissed. Case dismissed.
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  Good to see you, Mr. You take care.
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  Good. Morning once again everybody.
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  Welcome to TCF Live. Happy Wednesday.
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  Let's have a good day together today.
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  We'll stay in. Michigan Let's go see what's
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  going on with Judge Middleton. Operating while intoxicated is a
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  misdemeanor. Get lots of them.
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  I shall go. By up to 93 days in jail on a
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  fine of up to $500 carries 6 points and requires that your
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  license be suspended. My recommendation to you, Sir,
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  would be at this point that you plead not guilty and that I get
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  a lawyer appointed to help you to have an injection to that, No
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  I. Don't.
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  All right. Are you missing work right now?
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  No, I'm. Not I have a temporary driving.
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  All right. Plead not guilty, appoint an
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  attorney and set attorney pretrial 43626 at 8:30.
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  That's the first Friday in March.
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  We're going to be very busy that day.
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  What are you? What's your occupation?
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  I'm a press operator. Where's that American Axle?
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  All right. So you're not missing work right
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  now. No, I work. 2nd shift very good.
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  So this is going to be in the morning also.
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  It will be the first Friday in two in March.
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  I'm going to have the court officer take you out to the
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  counter, get the paperwork with your lawyer's name and number on
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  it. You can hire a number or a
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  lawyer of your own if you wish, but I want to make sure that you
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  have 1. So then I want you to call the
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  attorney and make an appointment to discuss this case with them
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  prior to March 6th. They'll get the lab report,
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  police reports. This blood draw was on the 16th
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  of January. It should be back by now.
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  But you certainly need to know what that result was before you
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  make any decisions on how to proceed.
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  So you. Go out to the.
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  Counter we'll get a lawyer to help you and I'll see you on
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  March 6th. Sean.
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  Hatfield. Good morning, Sir.
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  Are you Sean Allen Hatfield? This is file number 26131.
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  You got a ticket for no insurance and driving with a
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  invalid license. We get.
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  Lots of no. Insurance tickets, they're
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  punishable by up to a year in jail and a fine of up to $500
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  and not less than $200. Do you have insurance now?
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  No, Sir. We are currently in the process
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  of trying to get insurance. The lowest we got quoted is $500
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  upfront, but we can't afford that currently.
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  What about getting your license straight?
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  I'm going. Up there to the DMV after I get
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  out of my interview today for graphic packaging and scheduling
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  an appointment to get that taken care of.
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  Very good. If this hits your driving
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  record, it's going to suspend it.
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  And so my suggestion is that we adjourn this and give you some
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  time to get that stuff straightened out.
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  Adjourn at about a month. Is that acceptable?
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  Yeah. All right, well, you.
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  Were supposed to show up on the 4th.
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  Today's the 11th. So you didn't have any luck with
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  either of those things in the last week?
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  No. No, we.
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  Were out and about trying to get that taken care of and whatnot
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  and insurance was the first thing on my mind to get so that
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  we have a was legal and whatnot I didn't think about going to
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  set up the appointment all right well let's.
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  Set this out. Today is February 11th.
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  Let's set it for. Further.
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  Complicate things. Part of this is ordinance and
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  part of it is state statute. So I'll put it on a Wednesday.
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  Continue. To March 25th.
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  Are you? Missing work right now.
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  No, Sir, I am. Currently between jobs well.
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  There's a lesser charge of each of these if you come in with a
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  valid license and insurance. The prosecutor will be very
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  likely to give you some consideration or reduce these
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  charges. Wednesday, March 25th at 8:30
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  call room C court office pretrial conference bring
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  license and insurance so we'll take another crack at this a
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  little more than a month from now see how you're able to do
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  would you like to yeah. Are you good to go?
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  Maybe and I got one more non translator case and then we'll I
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  think another one of our defendants may have shown up a
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  little late. OK.
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  Maddie. Wit
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  good morning. Morning.
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  All right. This.
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  Is file number 252482 people versus Maddie Veronica Witt?
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  That's you, yes. I used to know you as Matthew
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  Barber. Yes.
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  All right. I legally had it changed and
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  I've had a full sex change, so All right.
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  But yeah, back when I was prosecutor, we had met years
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  ago. Yes.
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  All right. Known you for?
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  A long time. Well, good.
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  Morning. Good morning.
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  I'll address you as Maddie Witt. You got charged with having no
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  insurance. Do you have insurance now?
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  It's a funny story because that night I was it was bad weather
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  and I was pulling over on the side of the road.
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  I thought my tires were slipping.
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  But it appeared. Not to be that it was a bad
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  transmission. I had to have the van trailer
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  home that miserable night and I have not fixed it.
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  So I have not done insurance. I don't have a vehicle.
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  Do you plan? On reusing this or getting rid
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  of it. The van.
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  Yeah. Getting.
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  Rid of it. All right, we'll.
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  Have a seat for a minute. We'll see if we can get the
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  prosecutor to touch to talk with you, OK, Because.
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  I am a bus. Rider this morning, do you need
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  a ticket? Back at 9:18.
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  All right. Good to know that.
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  Do you need a bus ticket back? No.
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  It's already. Paid all right.
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  All right, have a seat. They're supposed to start the
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  free trials at 8:30. That was persistent.
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  Usually does them is off for a little bit.
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  So we'll get somebody, but you got a bus to catch at 9:18.
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  We'll let them know that. All right, January 11th.
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  What kind of van was it? It was a Mercury.
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  Monterey. Was actually a very, I hate to
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  get rid of it, but it was a rare one.
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  All right, That's a state statute.
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  All right, Laura, would you let the prosecutor know we need
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  assistance with a pretrial and he's got to catch a bus or she's
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  got to catch a bus? All right.
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  Senor Nico Chacon, Villa Somil, would you come forward, please?
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  Venus Tiaz Buenolea. Good morning.
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  The lady on the. Screen is here to help us
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  interpret because I don't have any Spanish la senora.
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  And pantai esta keeper, are you there?
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  Not interpreter. OK, nothing.
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  Go Espanol. And I want to make sure that you
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  understand everything. I can't hear, your Honor.
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  It's just very low. Yeah, we.
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  Can't hear you very well, Vivian.
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  I'll. Try to speak up, make sure my
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  volume is up. Is that better?
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  Yes. Miss Montero, would you raise
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  your right hand? You swear affirm to the best of
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  your ability to interpret these matters from Spanish into
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  English and English into Spanish.
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  I do. Would you state your name for
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  the record, please, Vivian? Montero court interpreter 18369.
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  Senor Chacon Villanovsky, Villo Villos Mill You got a ticket on
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  No January 24th of 26th. Senor Chacon villos me about the
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  recipe. You know, motel venti cuatro de
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  anero de venti safe. For driving.
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  Without a valid operator's license.
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  And a civil infraction of defective equipment.
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  Unifraction civil portene UN equipo de facto also.
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  The first. Charge is a misdemeanor.
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  A premier cargos de lito menor. It's punishable by up to 90 days
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  in jail. When you want a Maxima penalida
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  possible as Noventa Dias de Carcel.
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  And a fine. Of up to $500.
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  Aquinientos. Dolores the second.
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  Charge is what's called a civil infraction.
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  A segundo cargo, like I said, Yeah, my own a fraction civil.
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  It is. Punishable by a fine only.
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  Este la penalida rezuna multa solamente.
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  A normal fine for that is 105 dollars.
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  La Multa Normal Perez a cargo San Ciento Cinco Dolores.
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  This gentleman in the corner over here is the city attorney
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  or assistant city attorney for Sturgis.
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  Nior que esta aqui en serincon en cerministerio publico para la
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  Ciudad de Sturgis his name. Is Mr. Tim George.
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  To number Lisenciado, Tim George.
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  Mr. George, would you dismiss the civil infraction if he
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  pleads to the other charge? Lisenciado, George, you said
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  estudio despuesto de sestimal infraction CVLCL de contesta
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  culpable in El otro cargo. Yes, Sir, a city attorney would
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  dismiss the defective equipment ticket, which would save you
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  $105. Alejandro Ministerio publicos a
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  disposo de estimar de la muerto de infraction civil local leora
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  ria ciento cinco Dolores. If you plead to the no
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  operator's license charge. Contesta call parle El cargo de
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  no licencia. I will.
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  Give you a fine. And I'll give you.
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  Time to pay it if you need it. Buen poneruna multa iledo E
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  tiempo para pagarla de necesita tiempo.
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  According to this ticket, you were driving a car in Sturgis at
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  9:30 at night. On.
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  January 24th and you did not have a valid license.
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  Stopped you for driving without a headlight according to your
• 27:41
  driving record. You don't have any driving
• 27:45
  record because you don't have a license.
• 27:48
  Seguin sustoria de conducive is inexistente are.
• 27:55
  You willing? To plead to that charge of
• 27:57
  operating a vehicle without a license.
• 27:59
  At this place. Where contest are called Pablo
• 28:01
  de Cargo de Conducive Viculos and Tenerna Licencia.
• 28:07
  Did anyone threaten you to get you to plead to that charge?
• 28:12
  No, I. Promise you anything.
• 28:21
  Do we have an advice of rights? En Espanol.
• 28:32
  Do you understand that by entering this plea, you're
• 28:34
  giving up these rights that we gave to you in Spanish?
• 28:39
  En Espanol where? Were you going that?
• 29:08
  Night. IRS implemented El Caro.
• 29:20
  You have to. Speak in short sentences.
• 29:23
  OK, so. My wife was pregnant at the time
• 29:27
  and she was having belly pains, so we went urgently to get some
• 29:33
  medication. There was no one to take us, so
• 29:37
  I took the vehicle because I was very nervous regarding what was
• 29:40
  happening. And you did.
• 29:44
  Not have a license. You said not any alicencia.
• 29:49
  No. Do you ever have a license
• 29:51
  anywhere else? Have you had any alicencia SU
• 29:54
  Pais parte? From where?
• 30:00
  De. Donde in Venezuela.
• 30:04
  From Venezuela, all right, but it's not valid presently.
• 30:12
  Pero. Estavi gente actualmente or no?
• 30:17
  Cuomo Tango mucho tiempos in Venezuela, since I haven't.
• 30:26
  Been in Venezuela for a long time.
• 30:27
  I don't know if it's still valid or not.
• 30:30
  It's. Not.
• 30:36
  I don't believe. This will have any residency
• 30:42
  status issues because it's a very minor misdemeanor, but it
• 30:46
  is a misdemeanor. Do you?
• 30:49
  Understand. Yes, All right.
• 30:59
  The fine is $100. There's 100.
• 31:05
  And $25.00 of cost that go to the state.
• 31:08
  Thank you, Angelique. Siento vesico dollaris is the
• 31:12
  costo estatal they. Could pay coma.
• 31:17
  You know there's a. Fine of $100 + 125 dollars.
• 31:22
  This defendant got a ticket for no insurance but the vehicle is
• 31:28
  going to be scrapped and I don't drive it anymore and I had to
• 31:32
  get it towed. OK.
• 31:44
  May I say. Something.
• 31:46
  Yes, can I? Can I try to renew my license
• 32:04
  and Venezuela and have a family member or someone send it to me
• 32:07
  here so that I can drive here? No, no.
• 32:12
  Once you once you live here, you have to get a license here.
• 32:17
  Cuando unos Vista viviendo aqui for mucho tiempo tiene que
• 32:20
  sacada licencia deca. And right now, things are not
• 32:24
  good in Venezuela. In este momento Las cosas no one
• 32:28
  done Vienna, Venezuela. I'm always.
• 32:31
  Amazed. By our Venezuelan residents.
• 32:38
  Siempre. Me quedas sombrado estin cuanto
• 32:41
  Los residentes aqui de Venezuela that they.
• 32:44
  Managed to get here at all. Did you?
• 32:51
  Go through the Darien Gap. Who said?
• 32:54
  To OK Pasa Airport, Este la jungla Darien.
• 32:59
  Yeah, yeah. Very difficult.
• 33:06
  Very difficult. Very.
• 33:07
  Dangerous. Yeah, it took us. 6 or.
• 33:18
  Seven days to get through. Oh.
• 33:21
  Boy, so you don't want to go back to Venezuela, but you need
• 33:26
  to pay this fine of $225. It's.
• 33:32
  Just Venezuela. Can you pay that today or do you
• 33:41
  need time? To pay.
• 33:47
  It. How much would it be again?
• 33:51
  200 and. $25. I think.
• 34:01
  I can pay it today. I have this problem almost every
• 34:07
  day. Diaz.
• 34:13
  I can't fix it. I wish I could, but in Michigan
• 34:21
  they don't understand. Michigan.
• 34:26
  It's almost impossible to get a valid driver's license unless
• 34:30
  you have lawful residency status.
• 34:39
  The. Court officer will take you out
• 34:43
  to the counter, you can pay the fine and then you're free to go
• 34:47
  on about your business. Thank you, Sir.
• 34:50
  Tanya. E la sentiente del cherry
• 34:52
  falaficina para paga la mota ya SE puede Agassi senor.
• 34:58
  OK. Thank you, Siri.
• 35:00
  Morning once. Again, everybody, happy
• 35:01
  Wednesday. It's TCF Live.
• 35:04
  It's good to have you all here. So we're going to do something
• 35:07
  different. We're going to go to Lake
• 35:08
  County, but it's not going to be Judge Claude, it's going to be
• 35:10
  Judge O'Donnell. But I've got to pause for a
• 35:14
  minute because if you can zoom in on the windows on the left
• 35:17
  side, and this is bizarre, I'm not exactly sure what we're
• 35:22
  seeing. So it looks like this courtroom
• 35:26
  is on an upper floor, like maybe a 5th or 6th floor, and we're
• 35:33
  looking down on the city, right? But then if you look in the
• 35:36
  bottom left, that window pane, it looks like there's a car
• 35:42
  sitting there as you can kind of make out the wheel and the front
• 35:46
  grille of what maybe looks like a truck or an SUV.
• 35:50
  But that doesn't make sense if this courtroom is sitting up
• 35:53
  because again, from the perspective, it looks like it's
• 35:56
  looking down in the city. So I can confirm that Judge
• 36:00
  O'Donnell is real. I can confirm this is not AI
• 36:04
  slob. But tell me that isn't bizarre.
• 36:07
  What we're seeing in the windows and what we're seeing in the
• 36:09
  window panes don't necessarily match either.
• 36:12
  If you look on the right side, it doesn't look like it's a
• 36:15
  progression upward. So it almost makes me wonder if
• 36:19
  those windows aren't real and what we're seeing is like
• 36:25
  graphics that were put in there or something to like seal those
• 36:31
  windows from people looking in. I have no idea.
• 36:34
  But it's just absolutely bizarre.
• 36:37
  So I wanted to point that out. I'd never noticed it before when
• 36:39
  I looked at his courtroom, but as I had a pause, I was looking
• 36:42
  like this is totally weird. And Barbara, by the way, thank
• 36:47
  you for the $5. You say please keep Wahoo in
• 36:49
  your prayers. And great Granny, thank you for
• 36:52
  too. You say the same thing and yes,
• 36:54
  absolutely. For those of you who don't know
• 36:55
  Wahoo, a regular here, his sister passed away a couple days
• 37:00
  ago and he wanted to let all of you know that the reason he is
• 37:03
  absent is because he is dealing with that and he hopes to be
• 37:05
  back soon. Anyways, let's unpause this and
• 37:08
  let's spend some time with Judge O'Donnell.
• 37:43
  All right, Miss Smith. Thank your.
• 37:45
  Honor on behalf of Miss Hudson. Miss Hudson is.
• 37:49
  Respectfully asking the court to impose a period of community.
• 37:51
  Control in this. Manner matter.
• 37:54
  Miss Hudson has accepted responsibility for her conduct
• 37:57
  through her guilty plea. She's 41 years old, married, and
• 38:02
  has four kids. Three of those four kids are
• 38:04
  currently residing with their father.
• 38:07
  Temporary emergency custody was granted as a result of this
• 38:10
  case. However, Miss Hudson does have a
• 38:13
  juvenile court hearing set for early March to address that the
• 38:19
  custody situation. Once this matter has been
• 38:23
  disposed of, where over? Here.
• 38:25
  Yes, that's correct, Your Honor. Miss Hudson previously suffered
• 38:31
  from a heroin addiction. It's something that she's been
• 38:35
  able to maintain sobriety from for. 4 1/2.
• 38:38
  Years and as the courts aware, she has previously been charged
• 38:41
  with child endangering. Two of those prior charges were
• 38:46
  of a result from of her heroin use, which is something that she
• 38:51
  has conquered and been able to keep at Bay.
• 38:53
  However, as the Court's aware, she does still struggle with
• 38:57
  periodic use of other substances.
• 39:00
  Upon her bond being reinstated in this matter, Your Honor, Miss
• 39:04
  Hudson did obtain an alcohol and other drugs assessment through
• 39:08
  Sparrow Health. She indicated that she has
• 39:12
  continued to go to Sparrow Health weekly for drug screens
• 39:15
  and counseling. And if this court were to order
• 39:21
  that she complete intensive outpatient treatment, they do
• 39:25
  have that available as well. Miss Hudson has 59 days of jail
• 39:30
  time credit in this matter, which gave her a significant
• 39:33
  amount of time to think about her conduct and how she ended up
• 39:37
  in this situation, as well as ways to avoid it happening again
• 39:40
  in the future. And Your Honor, Miss Hudson is
• 39:44
  respectfully asking the courts to grant community control
• 39:48
  without additional jail time so that she can tend to her the
• 39:53
  parenting and custody matters. All right, Miss Hudson.
• 40:06
  What do you have to say? This was a big eye opening
• 40:14
  mistake. I've been sober from heroin for
• 40:20
  4 1/2 years and I guess I became a little complacent with that.
• 40:24
  So it was probably a good thing that I came in here testing
• 40:27
  positive because I don't want there to be any way that I ever
• 40:31
  risk actually permanently losing my kids.
• 40:35
  Because I. Care about them a lot and I do
• 40:37
  try to put them first. I try to put them first all the
• 40:42
  time and I it seems. Like you spent time putting your
• 40:47
  drug use first? I did.
• 40:49
  I did. You're right about that.
• 40:52
  And I, I this has been very eye opening, sitting in jail for 57
• 40:58
  or 59 days, whatever it was, and having no control over anything
• 41:05
  of the fact that they were able to go to their dad that never
• 41:08
  really saw them anyways before that.
• 41:13
  It. It really, it hit hard and I
• 41:17
  don't want there to be any way that I I permanently lose them
• 41:20
  because I care about them a lot. I feel like I'm one of the only
• 41:23
  people that does. So where are?
• 41:32
  They now they. Are they are with him, but
• 41:37
  technically with his mother in Chardon at the moment.
• 41:41
  She's elderly, she can't control them.
• 41:44
  My one daughter is refusing to go to school weekly and she
• 41:49
  can't do anything about it because she's in her 70s and
• 41:52
  she's she's not well where where is?
• 41:56
  Their father he. Is working or never around?
• 42:00
  I don't know what he does, but he's never there.
• 42:11
  How old are they? My oldest, who's 15 is actually
• 42:15
  still with me because she refused to go there.
• 42:18
  She would not. She did not want to go with him
• 42:22
  and then the other three are 1311 and six and.
• 42:27
  Before all this happened last what, July?
• 42:31
  Yes. That's correct.
• 42:33
  That's when. The younger three went with him,
• 42:35
  right? No, he only took emergency
• 42:38
  custody of the one the the the one that this whole thing
• 42:43
  involved and then the other two he did not take custody of until
• 42:49
  I would like 3 weeks after I was in jail.
• 42:55
  So what? What had been his contact with
• 42:58
  them prior to this? He is very in and out.
• 43:03
  He's not consistent. His parents live half the year
• 43:06
  in Florida and they will come back periodically when they're
• 43:11
  living down there and he will see them when his parents are
• 43:15
  around and he disappears as soon as they go back down to Florida,
• 43:20
  I think. How long has he?
• 43:21
  Been doing. That since we have not been
• 43:24
  together in 2020. So those three don't want to be
• 43:33
  where they are. They do.
• 43:35
  Not, and he doesn't even really seem to want them because he is.
• 43:41
  We've kind of discussed the custody once we saw the
• 43:45
  magistrate over at juvenile courts and she said if we can
• 43:50
  come to an agreement with custody that she would sign off
• 43:53
  on it. And he's OK with seeing them
• 43:56
  once a month, which I doubt he'll do, but that's what we'll
• 44:00
  have on paper. He's OK with only seeing them
• 44:02
  once a month, like one weekend a month and then I take them the
• 44:06
  rest of the time. But I doubt that'll last very
• 44:10
  long. But it it's what will be on
• 44:12
  paper through the courts, well, that's.
• 44:19
  Your. Hope or expectation in March?
• 44:22
  Yeah. March.
• 44:23
  What? You know, I, I.
• 44:26
  Want to say it's the 11th. I don't know.
• 44:28
  I was going to actually go over there because I got to pick up
• 44:30
  some paperwork so that we can work out it like a schedule.
• 44:43
  How come you don't? Know that date.
• 44:46
  I just, we were just there and I, I don't know, I didn't have
• 44:49
  the paperwork in front of me their.
• 44:51
  Misery is because of your actions, your.
• 44:54
  Yes, not because. Of his actions.
• 44:56
  Oh. I know, I, I'm aware of that.
• 44:58
  I know, but I just, I went there like a couple weeks ago and, and
• 45:03
  I, I mean, I wasn't going to miss that so.
• 45:06
  Do you? Do you?
• 45:06
  Have a drug problem right now? Right now, No, no.
• 45:10
  When did you? When when did the drug problem
• 45:13
  stop? I guess when I you put me in
• 45:18
  jail, why were you? Using cocaine while this case
• 45:21
  was going on. We were in the middle of moving
• 45:25
  and I have a hard time with motivation when it comes to big
• 45:33
  things and like things that are just seem like too much.
• 45:37
  I get overwhelmed very easily and I don't, I don't know that
• 45:39
  was it's not an excuse, but I I just thought that maybe that
• 45:44
  would help. I don't know well you.
• 45:48
  You you say you quit heroin what, 4 1/2 years ago?
• 45:53
  Yes. That's correct.
• 45:54
  OK. Why did you quit heroin?
• 45:57
  Because I. Was put in jail.
• 45:59
  What? Because I was put in jail and I
• 46:00
  didn't want to lose my kids. OK.
• 46:02
  And this was and those were the child endangering charges were
• 46:06
  directly related to that. Yes, the.
• 46:08
  Previous. One yes.
• 46:11
  How did you stop using heroin? I experienced a long time of
• 46:18
  sobriety and I realized that I did not want to live like that
• 46:21
  anymore. The day-to-day struggles trying
• 46:24
  to obtain heroin and and get money for it and it I didn't
• 46:29
  want to live like that anymore. So when did you start in on the
• 46:35
  cocaine? It was.
• 46:36
  Probably in September when we moved end of August, beginning
• 46:43
  of September and it wasn't 25. What's that of 20?
• 46:47
  5. Yeah, OK.
• 46:50
  And it wasn't a very consistent. You say that I don't know why I
• 46:53
  thought it helped me, 'cause what?
• 46:55
  Led to your. Decision and I'm.
• 46:59
  I'm going to. Assume for the purposes of this
• 47:01
  conversation that you're being honest with me.
• 47:03
  Yes. Which drug addicts usually are
• 47:07
  dishonest? I.
• 47:07
  I. Understand manipulative.
• 47:09
  Right. So assuming that you're being
• 47:12
  honest with me, why did you, after four years of not using
• 47:16
  drugs, what what led to the decision to take the cocaine the
• 47:22
  first time? Because I was hanging out with
• 47:24
  somebody that had it. Who?
• 47:28
  What's? That who?
• 47:29
  A friend of mine that works at a bar in Wickliffe.
• 47:34
  Which bar? It was Kate's bar.
• 47:38
  Yeah, it's. All it.
• 47:39
  Comes back to Kate's bar and Giovanni's.
• 47:42
  OK, who is that? Who's your friend?
• 47:47
  My friend. Brandy, Brandy.
• 47:49
  Yes, bartender at Kate's bar. Yes.
• 47:53
  Why were you hanging around Brandy at Kate's bar?
• 47:57
  Because I hadn't. Seen her in a really long time
• 48:00
  and I just she texted me one day and we hung out and that was it.
• 48:06
  Were you drinking? At the bar a little bit.
• 48:08
  Yes, What made? You think that was a good idea
• 48:10
  since you're a drug addict? Because I've drank occasionally
• 48:15
  and I've been OK with that. I mean, up until making that
• 48:19
  decision. It it I mean I can have a few
• 48:22
  beers and be fine and and not need anything the next day but I
• 48:27
  after doing that it probably is a different reason why I can't
• 48:32
  drink. Not necessarily that I'll become
• 48:34
  addicted to drinking, but it does lead to bad decisions for
• 48:38
  sure. So that was in September, yes.
• 48:43
  And then when's the next? Time you used it.
• 48:47
  The the last, oh, I don't know, but the last time I used it was
• 48:51
  the weekend before I was, I came here for court.
• 48:55
  OK, how many? Times.
• 48:56
  Did you use it in between September and the last time you
• 48:59
  were here? Between September, the last time
• 49:01
  I was here, it was probably maybe five times.
• 49:04
  It wasn't many times I. Did you?
• 49:08
  Realize. In.
• 49:11
  September when you did it the first.
• 49:15
  Time. Did you realize that that was a
• 49:18
  really stupid and horrible decision?
• 49:21
  At that moment, no I did not. Why not?
• 49:24
  Because I felt like, like I said, we were in the middle of
• 49:28
  moving and I just felt like it helped me.
• 49:31
  And I don't know, but. How did it help?
• 49:35
  You, when you were moving, gave me a.
• 49:37
  Little more energy, I know. You were sitting in a bar using
• 49:41
  it well. That was the that's when the
• 49:43
  idea came about to to use for for moving, because I did you
• 49:49
  use that day you. Were at the bar.
• 49:51
  What's? That did you use?
• 49:52
  It the day you were at the bar, Yes.
• 49:54
  I did so, Brittany. 'S dealing drugs out of the bar.
• 49:57
  What's that? Brittany's.
• 49:58
  Dealing drugs out of the bar? No.
• 50:00
  But she just had some all. Right.
• 50:06
  Where did you get it the other five times there?
• 50:09
  Is a guy in Cleveland off of voice side?
• 50:14
  I don't know his actual name. I think it he goes by Ace Ace.
• 50:18
  That's not Ace from Detroit, is it?
• 50:21
  I don't. Know, I don't know.
• 50:22
  I mean they don't give these guys don't give you much
• 50:24
  information about. I think you've managed.
• 50:25
  To find Ace. From a long time ago.
• 50:31
  Well, where is wayside? It's off.
• 50:35
  Of Euclid. Where?
• 50:36
  Off of Euclid. Avenue off of Euclid.
• 50:41
  Where? Where?
• 50:42
  Around where? Right into Cleveland, like right
• 50:47
  when you get into Cleveland, it's a couple streets down.
• 50:52
  So how long? Had it been since you bought
• 50:54
  anything from Ace? A long time?
• 50:57
  Years. What?
• 50:58
  What? Which was what?
• 50:59
  Heroin. Yeah.
• 51:02
  So how is it that you four or five years later you were able
• 51:06
  to contact Ace? Because I.
• 51:08
  Still had that number in my head.
• 51:11
  In your. Head, Yeah.
• 51:13
  I dialed it every day for years. So Ace kind of fanned out in the
• 51:23
  cocaine with heroin they usually.
• 51:26
  Have everything. Why did you?
• 51:33
  Keep going back. For the cocaine, yeah, I mean it
• 51:39
  was a few times. I don't know because I would
• 51:41
  have big projects like moving a U-Haul storage unit or moving
• 51:47
  it. It wasn't very many times.
• 51:50
  It was a few times. It's usually when I came back up
• 51:53
  here first, but we're talking. About you test positive
• 52:07
  in November, right? That's correct.
• 52:10
  OK, so. Between sometime in September
• 52:13
  and November, so a period of two months, you used at least six
• 52:16
  times, right? Probably.
• 52:18
  Yeah, 67. Times.
• 52:19
  At least seven times. So it's more than.
• 52:30
  Once a month that you indicated to the evaluator, right?
• 52:34
  No. I wouldn't say that well, well,
• 52:36
  yeah, I guess because it was in between such a short 7 times in
• 52:39
  two. Months at a minimum seven times
• 52:42
  in two months, right Prob. I mean, probably a handful of
• 52:46
  times, yeah, could be. I'm just going.
• 52:48
  On based on what you're telling me, you told me initially
• 52:52
  November and then five other times.
• 52:58
  Well, I mean, initially it was September and then yeah, price 6
• 53:05
  times. So then, so the last time you
• 53:12
  used was in November, yes. That's correct.
• 53:14
  Why haven't? You used since then.
• 53:17
  Because I want to prove that I can do this for myself and for
• 53:20
  my kids and to the court, that I can be out and maintain sobriety
• 53:26
  because I want this. I don't want to live like that
• 53:29
  anymore. I don't want to go down that
• 53:32
  path again. I really don't.
• 53:34
  I would. Imagine you don't, because it's.
• 53:36
  It's hell. It's literal hell doesn't.
• 53:38
  Seem like a good time? It's not.
• 53:41
  So this, this, this move down to Marietta has caused you some
• 53:54
  anxiety to the point you feel overwhelmed with things, right?
• 53:58
  I do. Suffer from ADHD and I refuse.
• 54:01
  Well I was refusing to take any Adderall or anything like that
• 54:04
  for a long really long time and I don't want to.
• 54:06
  That's a that's. A focus issue, isn't it?
• 54:09
  Yes. It is and so this.
• 54:10
  Overwhelming issue. What's your do you have some
• 54:12
  sort of mental health diagnosis? That I have been.
• 54:15
  Diagnosed with ADHD, which yes it it presents As for a lot of
• 54:20
  people that you get overwhelmed by big tasks and it's hard to
• 54:23
  start at procrastination and things like that when.
• 54:27
  When were you diagnosed with that I?
• 54:29
  Think it was 2019. It was when I was at Laurelwood.
• 54:35
  The psychiatrist that I talked to there diagnosed me with ADHD
• 54:39
  all. Right.
• 54:41
  And and you were that you were at Laurelwood for the heroines.
• 54:44
  Yes, that's correct. So what?
• 54:46
  So were you given, were you prescribed medication at that
• 54:51
  point? She.
• 54:51
  Prescribed me Adderall for a short period of time while I was
• 54:55
  doing IOP there and then aftercare and then after.
• 54:59
  She was unable to prescribe that and I was because she was no
• 55:05
  longer my doctor. If I wasn't doing IOP or or
• 55:08
  aftercare there, I couldn't OK. So did you go to another doctor
• 55:12
  then? It was hard to, I, no, actually
• 55:15
  I didn't, I, I relapsed and it's hard to find somebody else that
• 55:19
  might. And I don't necessarily even
• 55:21
  want to be prescribed Adderall, to be totally honest.
• 55:24
  But I have not done, I have not done much therapy when it comes
• 55:30
  to that issue. Why not?
• 55:33
  I don't know. Well, you didn't.
• 55:35
  Want to right? Maybe.
• 55:39
  I mean, it's not that I didn't necessarily want to.
• 55:44
  I just had, I had a lot of them I played at the time.
• 55:46
  I have a daughter that has major behavioral and mental illness
• 55:50
  issues and a lot of my time has been spent dealing with her.
• 55:55
  How do you? How do you deal with her?
• 55:58
  I've had to take her to therapy. She.
• 56:02
  What are you? Trying to accomplish with her.
• 56:04
  Yeah, I just want her to be happy.
• 56:07
  And she's never seen the happy. So you think?
• 56:11
  It's important. To pursue evaluation treatment
• 56:23
  for you. I just don't put myself 1st and
• 56:27
  now she's. Part of her.
• 56:28
  Unhappiness is probably probably because.
• 56:30
  Of this shit. Going I, I know, I I'm aware of
• 56:33
  that. So.
• 56:34
  Until you cure. That you're not.
• 56:36
  You're not making yourself happy.
• 56:38
  You're not making anybody else happy in your life.
• 56:43
  I've been working on that I have.
• 56:44
  What is this? Spiro place you went to.
• 56:48
  They do drug and alcohol treatment.
• 56:50
  I've been going there once a week.
• 56:53
  They do have IOP what I did, they concluded.
• 56:57
  You don't need any further treatment that's.
• 56:59
  What they said, and I told them, but I've been going there every
• 57:02
  week because the first one when I talked to said she's like, she
• 57:07
  said she'd set up a drug and alcohol screen and an
• 57:13
  appointment with their doctor there.
• 57:15
  And she said that that would probably be it because she
• 57:18
  didn't feel that I had a problem.
• 57:20
  Well, did she feel? That you didn't have a problem
• 57:22
  based on what you were telling her.
• 57:24
  Yes, that's correct. So you weren't?
• 57:25
  Being truthful with her, no I. Was being truthful with her.
• 57:28
  I told her it was a couple. I don't know how you could.
• 57:30
  So. Did you tell her what you told
• 57:32
  me? Yes.
• 57:33
  And, and I was, to be totally honest, I was surprised and I
• 57:37
  have talked to the doctor since then and I've asked them about
• 57:40
  IOP. They said that they have it so I
• 57:43
  can attend IOP. How could they conclude that?
• 57:49
  They don't seem if. If, if, if that if that's all
• 57:54
  accurate, they don't seem like they're very, very good at what
• 57:58
  they do. Not that that matters because
• 58:08
  they could be the best of what they do and if you don't put any
• 58:10
  effort into it, it doesn't going to matter not.
• 58:13
  So. So when's the last time you had
• 58:21
  a mental health evaluation? Probably.
• 58:29
  I mean, I, I don't know if they would have considered that a
• 58:32
  mental health evaluation when I went there.
• 58:34
  I'm not really sure. They asked me a bunch of
• 58:37
  questions, but it's, I mean, before that it's it's been a
• 58:40
  while. When are you, how long are you
• 58:55
  going to be living in, in Marietta?
• 58:57
  That's. Going to be my permanent
• 58:58
  residence. Are you working right now?
• 59:32
  I. Actually I just had a job
• 59:37
  interview with the company for sales and they it's a remote
• 59:44
  position and I'm supposed to hear back from them sometime
• 59:48
  today and she already told me that I probably if I if they do
• 59:53
  hire me I would start training on Monday.
• 59:57
  Kind of. What, where, What kind of it's?
• 59:59
  Called the weed man. It's like a lawn, a lawn thing.
• 1:00:06
  And it's, it would just be remote.
• 1:00:09
  They're, they're a company that does yard work or not yard work,
• 1:00:13
  but kind of like fertilizing and, and weed control.
• 1:00:17
  And they they do that across the country.
• 1:00:48
  You, you strike me as as somebody who's come here and the
• 1:00:53
  goal once you. Got here.
• 1:00:57
  Is to get out of here with this little disruption in your life
• 1:01:03
  as possible. I I.
• 1:01:06
  Sense that through your evaluation and your statements,
• 1:01:15
  if that's your goal, you may, you may temporary accomplish
• 1:01:19
  that goal, but in the long run, you're going to fail.
• 1:01:25
  Because I'm not. Sure you're interested in
• 1:01:27
  addressing your situation the way it needs to be addressed.
• 1:01:32
  I want. To do whatever I need to do to
• 1:01:36
  avoid any sort of legal issues. I want to be able to take care
• 1:01:42
  of my kids. I want to do So what?
• 1:01:45
  Whatever. When you say, whatever you need
• 1:01:46
  to do what? What exactly is that?
• 1:01:49
  Any treatment that I need to do, I mean, I'm willing to do IOP.
• 1:01:54
  I know that I can do this. I've been sober from heroin for
• 1:01:58
  4 1/2 years, which was, it was hard, very hard in the
• 1:02:02
  beginning. You know when.
• 1:02:03
  You bought that or when you get got that?
• 1:02:07
  Cocaine. From Brittany and when you
• 1:02:09
  bought it from Ace? Did you get?
• 1:02:13
  Some sort of written guarantee about what you were getting.
• 1:02:17
  No what? How did you know what you were
• 1:02:19
  getting? I didn't.
• 1:02:22
  How did you? Know there wasn't heroin in it.
• 1:02:25
  I didn't. Know that?
• 1:02:25
  How did you know there? Wasn't fentanyl in it?
• 1:02:27
  I did. Not know that, OK.
• 1:02:29
  But you did it anyway. I guess it.
• 1:02:31
  Never really crossed my mind, but yeah, I did it.
• 1:02:34
  See. To me somebody that was hooked
• 1:02:37
  on heroin for a long time which meant fentanyl essentially would
• 1:02:45
  would after they stopped using it for 4 1/2 years.
• 1:02:49
  That would be the. First thing that crosses their
• 1:02:51
  mind, but that was a situation of you putting yourself before
• 1:02:59
  anybody else, namely your kids, and you doing what exactly you
• 1:03:04
  wanted to do. The.
• 1:03:06
  Consequences be damned. That's what concerns me about
• 1:03:09
  you. Now.
• 1:03:14
  Could be I'm reading you wrong, I don't know.
• 1:03:18
  I think you are. I mean because I know I can do
• 1:03:21
  this well time. Will tell because there are one.
• 1:03:26
  It doesn't matter if I'm reading you right or wrong, OK?
• 1:03:29
  You're going to do what you're going to do and it's going to be
• 1:03:33
  either right or it's going to be wrong, so.
• 1:03:40
  Anything. Else you want to say.
• 1:03:45
  At this time, no. Assimilate.
• 1:03:49
  Thank your honor. It's clear that the defendant
• 1:03:52
  hasn't taken responsibility in this case.
• 1:03:54
  She's not been honest. She's not been accountable.
• 1:03:57
  She's minimized her behavior both with her drug use and what
• 1:03:59
  happened in this case. She said that she was on
• 1:04:02
  autopilot and this was an honest mistake, but she left her 10
• 1:04:05
  year old daughter in a public place late at night.
• 1:04:09
  It wasn't a brief oversight. This was a serious, serious
• 1:04:12
  lapse in parental judgment that left her daughter at risk.
• 1:04:15
  Her daughter was crying hysterically, scared.
• 1:04:18
  She came out of that restaurant, her mom was gone.
• 1:04:25
  And the defendant's story lacked any credibility, she said.
• 1:04:29
  I was on autopilot. I just picked up this order.
• 1:04:32
  I delivered it and I went home. But the Flock cameras paint a
• 1:04:35
  different picture. She was at Maple Grove and State
• 1:04:41
  Route 91 and Willoughby at 10:41.
• 1:04:43
  At 10:45 PM, Willoughby Police Department is dispatched.
• 1:04:47
  At 10:54, she's at the Willoughby Hills Towers,
• 1:04:50
  presumably making her delivery. And again, at 10:59, she's back
• 1:04:54
  at Maple Grove Road and State Route 91.
• 1:04:56
  There's no flock hits for 37 minutes.
• 1:04:59
  And then she shows up in Manor. And she doesn't call the
• 1:05:02
  Willoughby police until 11:58 PM, over an hour after she's
• 1:05:05
  left her child. And this isn't the first time
• 1:05:08
  that she's endangered her children, as the court is aware.
• 1:05:12
  She says she's going to do anything for her kids.
• 1:05:13
  But her behavior, her repeated behavior suggests otherwise.
• 1:05:17
  She continues to use drugs and she continues to endanger her
• 1:05:19
  children. She said that she had a drug and
• 1:05:22
  alcohol assessment and they didn't think she needed any
• 1:05:25
  treatment. Again minimizing her drug use
• 1:05:28
  and her behavior. Her prior convictions had
• 1:05:30
  represented multiple opportunities for intervention
• 1:05:32
  and for her to change her behavior, and she still hasn't
• 1:05:35
  done it. 2019 she overdosed in front of her kids. 2020 she left
• 1:05:39
  her four children in the car for over an hour while she was
• 1:05:42
  inside Biolife. 2021 again she overdosed in front of her kids,
• 1:05:46
  and the police found syringes that were in who were readily
• 1:05:50
  accessible to her children. And in 2023 a neighbor found her
• 1:05:54
  three-year old son walking in the middle of the road 1/2 mile
• 1:05:57
  away from her home with a diaper so full it was hanging off of
• 1:06:01
  him and hanging on the ground. And then again, 2025 she leaves
• 1:06:05
  her daughter. She somehow escaped any real
• 1:06:09
  accountability for any of these charges.
• 1:06:10
  They were all pled down to either misdemeanor child
• 1:06:13
  endangering or a criminal trespass charge.
• 1:06:17
  And she continues to do these things to her children.
• 1:06:20
  So the state is asking the court to impose a sentence in this
• 1:06:22
  case that sends a message to the defendant, enough is enough.
• 1:06:25
  Her kids deserve better. For that reason, the state is
• 1:06:28
  asking the court impose community control sanctions with
• 1:06:30
  significant jail time. Thank you.
• 1:06:32
  All right. Why don't you?
• 1:06:33
  Have a license. I just haven't had the money to
• 1:06:41
  to get to do everything I need to do to get it back.
• 1:06:44
  What do you need? To do to get it back.
• 1:06:46
  Well, at. This point since they changed
• 1:06:50
  some law I can now go and and pay my fine my fine through the
• 1:06:56
  BMV and I got a ticket driver's test and also get an SR22 OK
• 1:07:02
  when? Are you going to do that as
• 1:07:04
  soon? As I can I.
• 1:07:06
  What? What were you doing?
• 1:07:08
  Hanging. Around 91 in Maple Grove.
• 1:07:10
  I was doing DoorDash deliveries, OK.
• 1:07:13
  Well. If there's there's these flat
• 1:07:15
  cameras all over the place, why did it not register anything for
• 1:07:19
  37 minutes when you were in that area?
• 1:07:22
  I don't, I don't know. Were you hanging?
• 1:07:23
  Around the Skylight Inn, maybe no.
• 1:07:25
  Absolutely not. Why?
• 1:07:27
  Not. Because I've never been there
• 1:07:29
  before and I don't know anybody there.
• 1:07:32
  You know what that place is? I do, actually, yeah, you know
• 1:07:36
  that. Just.
• 1:07:37
  From I knew a guy that I used to work with, he divorced his wife
• 1:07:43
  and he was living there for a while.
• 1:07:45
  I've never been there though. Well.
• 1:07:47
  It's a big drug den is what it is.
• 1:07:51
  Makes me think maybe you were hanging around to Skylight I.
• 1:07:54
  I was not. I was doing deliveries, OK.
• 1:07:57
  Because. You didn't.
• 1:07:59
  Didn't. Register with you that your. 10
• 1:08:01
  year. Old was no longer in the car for
• 1:08:03
  quite a period of time. I I.
• 1:08:05
  Was doing DoorDash deliveries. I know you.
• 1:08:07
  Were. Yeah, I know.
• 1:08:08
  You were I I was not at the skylight in.
• 1:08:14
  All right, I. Reviewed the presets report and
• 1:08:16
  the evaluation and I have considered all the provisions in
• 1:08:24
  29291112 and 13. I've listened to Miss Hudson and
• 1:08:33
  Council. And having considered all the
• 1:08:48
  provisions of the applicable statutes in this case, I'm going
• 1:08:54
  to place you on Community control for period.
• 1:09:00
  Of. Four years you're going to serve
• 1:09:03
  89 days in the jail with credit for 59 if you have no drugs or
• 1:09:08
  alcohol, and you'll be screened. You're going to.
• 1:09:12
  Complete an intensive outpatient drug and alcohol program and
• 1:09:15
  follow recommendations. You can obtain.
• 1:09:19
  A mental health evaluation and follow all recommendations.
• 1:09:24
  You're just. To see only one doctor and one
• 1:09:26
  dentist and one pharmacy for prescription medication.
• 1:09:31
  Any. Medication that is prescribed
• 1:09:33
  you're to take only as prescribed.
• 1:09:35
  You're going to sign releases so probation can get your records.
• 1:09:39
  You're going to attend at least 2A A or any meetings per week
• 1:09:42
  and and obtain A sponsor. Going to obtain full employment,
• 1:09:48
  get a valid driver's license and.
• 1:09:50
  Pay the. Cost and supervision fees in
• 1:09:52
  this case, do you understand the terms?
• 1:09:55
  Yes. Mr. Tompkins, any other terms
• 1:09:57
  you think are applicable? I don't believe so, Your Honor,
• 1:10:02
  just with the probation, is it going to stay here and do the
• 1:10:05
  transfer and I'm getting there. Any question about the terms?
• 1:10:11
  So by doing more jail time then no.
• 1:10:20
  All right, if you. Violate the terms of state will
• 1:10:22
  file a motion to terminate your community control.
• 1:10:24
  And if I find you violated and you face potentially 18 months
• 1:10:30
  in prison. You understand that, Yes, Is Do
• 1:10:36
  you live in the city of Marietta?
• 1:10:39
  Yes. What county?
• 1:10:41
  Is that Washington? All.
• 1:10:47
  Right we're. Going to transfer this to
• 1:10:50
  supervision of Washington County, but I want to make sure,
• 1:10:57
  Mr. Tompkins, that we're keeping tabs on this rather than just
• 1:11:02
  some half ass monthly report or whatever they do.
• 1:11:06
  So I want to know if she's actually doing what needs to be
• 1:11:11
  done so that she keeps coming in and out of court any further.
• 1:11:17
  Miss Himmeline No. You're on Smith.
• 1:11:21
  At this. Time round.
• 1:11:25
  So I will say this for Judge O'Donnell, he gets a a good
• 1:11:28
  amount of swear words on the record.
• 1:11:32
  I'm going to go back and I'm just going to freeze it because
• 1:11:35
  before we went in here, we were questioning what we were seeing
• 1:11:38
  through the windows because if you look at it, it looks like
• 1:11:40
  it's looking down upon a city. However, thanks to Austin, who
• 1:11:44
  sent me a photo of the courthouse, I understand what
• 1:11:48
  we're seeing now. We're either looking out the
• 1:11:52
  window from the first or second floor.
• 1:11:54
  I believe given the angle, it's the second floor, but we're in
• 1:11:58
  the courthouse and next to the courthouse is a church.
• 1:12:03
  So what we're seeing in that bottom left pane, there is
• 1:12:06
  actually a vehicle. But behind that, in those middle
• 1:12:09
  panes where it looks like they might be like buildings, that's
• 1:12:14
  fencing. Those are stone posts.
• 1:12:17
  And if you look between them, there are metal slats.
• 1:12:21
  And then what's behind that fence and you see like the
• 1:12:26
  stained glass window from it in the top there, that is a church.
• 1:12:32
  So that is what we're seeing, ladies and gentlemen, in.
• 1:12:38
  Particular. Courtroom window.
• 1:12:39
  It all makes sense now. Thank you, Austin for your
• 1:12:42
  detective work and helping us figure that out.
• 1:12:46
  Okie, Dokie, Michigan. Judge Simpson.
• 1:12:50
  He may be seated and I don't think we have anybody from the
• 1:12:53
  prosecutor's office today. He's a waiver.
• 1:13:03
  Easter, Brown and Darren like. A law firm, that would be.
• 1:13:13
  Scary. I don't really.
• 1:13:18
  Think the order matters? Let's go the case people versus
• 1:13:23
  Sean Bauer. Good morning.
• 1:13:29
  Honour Dan Garrett on behalf of Sean Bauer.
• 1:13:32
  Sean Bauer. Thank you, Sir.
• 1:13:34
  Of course, Mr. Bauer is here for sentencing.
• 1:13:35
  We've reviewed all the reports. Or no factual corrections
• 1:13:38
  recommendation looks appropriate.
• 1:13:40
  I'm asking you how to follow it. He's worked very hard on his
• 1:13:42
  sobriety. He's very proud of that.
• 1:13:44
  I believe this reflects that he can pay all his fines and costs
• 1:13:46
  this morning. All right, Sir, is there
• 1:13:49
  anything you'd like to tell the court before I do impose that?
• 1:13:52
  No. Yeah.
• 1:13:54
  The court. Acknowledges this is not a
• 1:13:56
  serious misdemeanor as defined by statute, however does believe
• 1:13:59
  there are reasonable grants to depart from the presumption of a
• 1:14:01
  non probationary sentence. The Alcohol Screening Assessment
• 1:14:04
  identifies the benefit of individual counseling,
• 1:14:06
  attendance at AE meetings, and abstinence from all intoxicants.
• 1:14:10
  Therefore, the Court will follow the recommendation of probation
• 1:14:13
  for a probationary sentence with the stated rehabilitated goals
• 1:14:17
  to promote change, prevent recidivism and to monitor
• 1:14:20
  compliance of recommended treatment.
• 1:14:22
  Therefore, the sentence of the court place you on probation for
• 1:14:25
  a period of 18 months. You're to pay $855 fine to court
• 1:14:29
  costs $100. Prosecution recovery costs $100
• 1:14:33
  Police agency recovery costs 5. 100. $40 probation oversight
• 1:14:37
  fees. You can pay that.
• 1:14:40
  Today, Sir, are you like to pay? All the fines.
• 1:14:41
  It costs you. You must do the probation
• 1:14:43
  oversight fees later. Yeah, I don't have the probation
• 1:14:46
  fees. So you can pay the fines it
• 1:14:49
  costs today. Exactly.
• 1:14:52
  And then when can you pay the probation oversight fees?
• 1:14:56
  You have time. Frame which you can pay those 28
• 1:15:02
  days when I get my next weird. Nobody says to be 28 days unless
• 1:15:11
  you're thinking is it? No.
• 1:15:14
  It's OK. So you need a month.
• 1:15:16
  It was March 11th is when I get my next 7th.
• 1:15:20
  He was, actually. Calculating days?
• 1:15:22
  Yeah, it's good for. You.
• 1:15:23
  No. I I.
• 1:15:23
  Like it? He was going to do 20. 8 days he
• 1:15:27
  knew February. Only had so many days.
• 1:15:30
  And he? And he's right.
• 1:15:32
  That's how many days it is paid by March 31st. 2000. 26 will
• 1:15:40
  that work for you, Sir? Sure.
• 1:15:41
  Alright. Thank you.
• 1:15:44
  There should be. No use of alcohol, recreational
• 1:15:46
  marijuana or any illegal substance.
• 1:15:47
  You'll be subject to random testing as requested by
• 1:15:50
  probation. Attend individual counseling
• 1:15:53
  with status reports to probation.
• 1:15:54
  Attend to a meetings per week with monthly verification to
• 1:15:57
  probation. Provide proof of victims Impact
• 1:16:00
  panel attendance to probation. Continue to scram tether for an
• 1:16:03
  additional 30 days in. Lieu.
• 1:16:05
  Of four days in jail. I'll order 93 days of jail
• 1:16:08
  credit one. The balance is suspended.
• 1:16:11
  All right. Thank you, Sir.
• 1:16:13
  Thank you. Good luck to you Korkowski
• 1:16:18
  people versus Michael DeWitt. Morning again, honor Dan Garrett
• 1:16:24
  on behalf of Michael DeWitt stepping forward.
• 1:16:25
  Michael, Michael DeWitt, thank you.
• 1:16:29
  Yeah, we're. Here for sense and I understand
• 1:16:31
  it may be a victim statement today.
• 1:16:33
  All right, very good. What does he have a seat there?
• 1:16:41
  Your Honor, the victim in this case is Joshua Wade.
• 1:16:44
  All right, oh, Your Honor, my name is Joshua Wade and the
• 1:16:48
  victim in the case. Your Honor, I provide the for a
• 1:16:51
  written statement by wanting to provide a brief verbal
• 1:16:53
  statement. In summary, is my understanding
• 1:16:56
  that Mister DeWitt has shown true remorse over this incident,
• 1:16:58
  has prepared to make full restitution, most under the
• 1:17:02
  understanding that he has no prior criminal record.
• 1:17:04
  I support the terms of the plea agreement as I understand them,
• 1:17:07
  namely a period of probation, anger management and with a.
• 1:17:11
  Delayed. And restitution with a delayed
• 1:17:13
  sentence so that he does not end up with a permanent criminal
• 1:17:16
  record. Mr. Dewitt's actions impacted me
• 1:17:19
  in several ways that I mentioned in my written statement.
• 1:17:22
  However, I want to call attention to the impact on both
• 1:17:24
  myself and Mr. DeWitt that did not occur but could easily have.
• 1:17:30
  In Michigan, more than one in 10 adults holds a concealed pistol
• 1:17:34
  license. We are ordinary citizens who go
• 1:17:37
  about our daily business much the same as everyone.
• 1:17:40
  We don't look any different, and yet we carry with us the means
• 1:17:43
  to effectively defend ourselves from grave danger.
• 1:17:47
  On the day. Of Mr. Dewitt's crime, I was
• 1:17:49
  carrying a Sig P2269 millimeter with 15 rounds and one in the
• 1:17:53
  chamber. As he approached my vehicle and
• 1:17:56
  confronted me, my primary thought was to ignore his
• 1:17:59
  provocations. So I would.
• 1:18:00
  Not be placed in a situation where I may need to defend
• 1:18:03
  myself with force. When I parked and Mr. DeWitt
• 1:18:06
  remained in the area, I went inside rather than risk a
• 1:18:09
  physical altercation that could have had tragic results.
• 1:18:13
  As you know. Your Honor, Michigan has no duty
• 1:18:15
  to retreat. However, I chose to retreat from
• 1:18:18
  the area while Mr. DeWitt maliciously damaged my vehicle
• 1:18:22
  rather than remain and potentially becoming involved in
• 1:18:26
  a situation that could have been tragic for Mr. DeWitt.
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  And for all those who love him, I say.
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  This not to. Intimidate or threaten Mr.
• 1:18:33
  DeWitt, but rather because it is my sincere hope that he learns
• 1:18:37
  from this event the importance of moderating his temper.
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  Thank you, Your honor. May I proceed, Your Honor?
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  Yes, Governor. Mr. DeWitt and I have reviewed
• 1:18:52
  all the reports that are accurate.
• 1:18:54
  I believe the recommendation is appropriate.
• 1:18:55
  He's glad to see that the prosecutors deferred has been
• 1:18:57
  recommended. He's asking me to follow that.
• 1:18:59
  Just a background. Mr. DeWitt is. 59, soon to be 60
• 1:19:03
  years old, never been in trouble a day of his life he was.
• 1:19:05
  Undergoing. Some pretty serious health
• 1:19:08
  concerns at the time and just lost his temper.
• 1:19:10
  We've all had our bad moments. He's very remorseful for his
• 1:19:12
  conduct. He's ready to pay all
• 1:19:14
  restitution and fines this morning.
• 1:19:17
  You wait. Anything you want to tell the
• 1:19:18
  court before I impose sentence to assure the court that I'm
• 1:19:21
  remorseful for my actions. I apologize and it won't happen
• 1:19:26
  again. Sentence of the court.
• 1:19:31
  I'm going to place you on six months prosecuted deferred
• 1:19:33
  sentence. You are to pay $555.00 finance
• 1:19:37
  and court cost $180 probation oversight fees $868 restitution
• 1:19:42
  to Joshua Wade payable through the court.
• 1:19:45
  You can pay that off today. Yes, Sir.
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  There should be no use of alcohol, recreational marijuana
• 1:19:55
  or any illegal substance will be subject to random testing as
• 1:19:57
  requested by probation. You are to complete an anger
• 1:20:00
  management program as directed by Probation.
• 1:20:03
  You're to have no contact with Josh Wade, Joshua Wade, directly
• 1:20:06
  or indirectly. There is to be no assault or
• 1:20:09
  threatening or intimidating behavior on your part.
• 1:20:12
  I'll set your review hearing. That's to be held August 12th,
• 1:20:15
  2026. 9 AMI will order 365 days in jail that is suspended.
• 1:20:22
  All right is restitution. Have you paid any certain amount
• 1:20:24
  of way? I I never remember that cash
• 1:20:26
  only. OK, sounds good.
• 1:20:27
  You can come back and do that. I have it.
• 1:20:31
  You have cash. Sounds good I think.
• 1:20:33
  Miss. Blair probably would have told
• 1:20:34
  it. That's probably true.
• 1:20:35
  Sounds good. Thank you, Sir.
• 1:20:40
  Well, he racks up the next contestant.
• 1:20:42
  Great. Granny, thank you for the $2.00.
• 1:20:43
  Very much appreciate it. We're done, Gemante love.
• 1:20:54
  Yes, I'm here. And so was the attorney.
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  Good morning. Your Honor, Shawn Abbasi, on
• 1:21:10
  behalf of Gemante Love. Thank you, Mr. Love.
• 1:21:14
  State your name. Good morning.
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  Say love all right. State time set for sentencing
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  Council. You may proceed.
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  Good morning, Your honor. We've had a.
• 1:21:28
  Chance to look over the pre sentence investigation report
• 1:21:31
  and there's no there's no corrections to make on that
• 1:21:36
  report. But.
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  Your honor, we are asking Mr. Love is he's a full time coach.
• 1:21:43
  He works full time with Ford. He's very busy with his children
• 1:21:46
  in sports. And he also.
• 1:21:48
  Has a landscaping business that he owns.
• 1:21:51
  The sober link has been kind of difficult for him to manage with
• 1:21:56
  his schedule, his timing, the timings.
• 1:21:59
  He's wondering if he could maybe submit to random ETG testing in
• 1:22:04
  lieu of that. Also, for the probation
• 1:22:07
  sentence, Miss Polara did point out that he this sentence or
• 1:22:13
  this charge is not. It's.
• 1:22:17
  It's not a serious misdemeanor, but she believed that there's
• 1:22:20
  reasonable grounds to depart from it.
• 1:22:22
  I'm asking the court if they could consider reducing it maybe
• 1:22:27
  to 12 months probation. Your Honor.
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  On Behalf. Of probation, I would ask the
• 1:22:39
  court to follow the recommendation as put forth.
• 1:22:41
  The underlying charge did involve having an accident less
• 1:22:44
  than 16 in the vehicle. I do recognize that he did plead
• 1:22:48
  to the operate while intoxicated.
• 1:22:50
  However, probation feels that the recommendations program.
• 1:22:57
  Mr. Love, anything you want to tell the court before I impose
• 1:22:59
  sentence? One thing I would.
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  Like to say is about me being a 39 year old I have never been in
• 1:23:06
  trouble I'm an active member in the community for over 20 years
• 1:23:10
  I've been a football coach, I'm. Actually.
• 1:23:12
  A head football coach. My.
• 1:23:14
  Own business. I work for Ford Motor Company
• 1:23:16
  for almost 20 years and I get that.
• 1:23:20
  That I made a. Mistake.
• 1:23:21
  I take full accountability and it would never happen again and
• 1:23:26
  it was just a bad mistake and I just right now I'm just trying
• 1:23:30
  to get this over with but I apologize for everything I've
• 1:23:33
  done. The Court does acknowledge this
• 1:23:42
  is not a serious misdemeanor as defined by statute, however does
• 1:23:44
  believe there are reasonable grounds to depart from the
• 1:23:47
  presumption of a non probationary sentence.
• 1:23:50
  Particularly, the alcohol screening assessment identifies
• 1:23:52
  the benefit of outpatient treatment, attendance at a a
• 1:23:56
  meetings, and abstinence from all intoxicants.
• 1:23:59
  Therefore, the Court will follow the recommendation of probation
• 1:24:02
  for a probationary sentence with the stated rehabilitative goals
• 1:24:05
  to prevent, to promote change, prevent recidivism and monitor
• 1:24:10
  compliance and recommended treatment.
• 1:24:11
  It is there for the sentence of the Court.
• 1:24:14
  I am going to place you on probation for a period of 18
• 1:24:18
  months. You are to.
• 1:24:19
  Pay $855 fines and cost $100 prosecution recovery cost, $100
• 1:24:25
  police agency recovery cost and $540 probation oversight fees.
• 1:24:31
  When can that be paid I'm? Looking.
• 1:24:35
  I can have everything paid by. Saturday, March. 14th if that's
• 1:24:46
  possible. Pay everything by March 16th,
• 1:24:54
  2026 there is to be. No use of alcohol.
• 1:25:00
  Recreational marijuana or any illegal substance.
• 1:25:03
  You'll be subject to random testing as requested by
• 1:25:05
  probation. You are to complete outpatient
• 1:25:08
  treatment including all recommended aftercare with
• 1:25:10
  status reports to probation. You are to attend one a meeting
• 1:25:14
  per week with monthly verification to probation here
• 1:25:17
  to provide proof of the victims impact Panel attendance to
• 1:25:20
  probation council. I am going to continue the sober
• 1:25:26
  link unless he would like to do 4 days in jail.
• 1:25:29
  I'll give him that option if that's what he wants to do.
• 1:25:33
  We've. Actually.
• 1:25:34
  Discussed that, your honor, and I believe that he would rather
• 1:25:37
  do that instead of having to worry about messing up again
• 1:25:42
  with the sober link. He's just.
• 1:25:44
  So he wants to do the. Four days in jail.
• 1:25:48
  Mr. Love. Yes.
• 1:25:52
  But only if, if it's possible, if you could grant it to next
• 1:25:57
  weekend, I'm going to set the. Time.
• 1:25:59
  If you're going to do the four days in jail, I set the time.
• 1:26:02
  You don't get to run the show. Because he's set to work next
• 1:26:08
  weekend, your Honor, and he doesn't want to get in trouble
• 1:26:09
  at work this. Weekend or this?
• 1:26:12
  Weekend because. Ford.
• 1:26:15
  Motor Company has a strike policy with her, but he can do
• 1:26:20
  it next weekend. Yes.
• 1:26:23
  I'll tell you if I. Order it this weekend.
• 1:26:25
  What's he going to do? I mean I.
• 1:26:29
  Will have to do what you said. I'll just have to try to figure
• 1:26:32
  something out with work but I will probably get disciplined at
• 1:26:34
  work for missing. So I'm kind of in a in a hard
• 1:26:40
  situation where we work or with you, but the sober link.
• 1:26:45
  Another. 45 days on it. I just don't want to jeopardize
• 1:26:47
  myself with missing or being late taking a test.
• 1:26:55
  Your probation wouldn't be opposed to him going on a scram
• 1:26:57
  tether, then he wouldn't have to worry about missing any testing.
• 1:27:05
  But that's. More money do that Council.
• 1:27:08
  Is that? Is that that's more money that I
• 1:27:10
  would have to come out of pocket by keeping that on my as a
• 1:27:13
  tether. None of this is going to be
• 1:27:15
  pleasant. I don't think it's designed to
• 1:27:18
  be pleasant. You're going to have to make
• 1:27:20
  hard choices. I understand.
• 1:27:22
  That I'll just do the four days, four days, Washtenaw County
• 1:27:40
  Jail. Who's to report to the Washtenaw
• 1:27:43
  County Jail tomorrow morning, 88 AM.
• 1:28:01
  12. It's February 12, 2026, 8:00 AM.
• 1:28:16
  I'll order 93 days in jail. Credit for the time that he
• 1:28:19
  served the battles as suspended. Thank you.
• 1:28:23
  Thank you, Rana. Okie, dokie, friends, we will
• 1:28:26
  keep an eye on Judge Simpson's court, as we tend to do here at
• 1:28:30
  TCF. But let's head to Florida.
• 1:28:32
  Wade Mercer's first appearances, I mean a. 3rd degree felony.
• 1:28:36
  The second charge is possession of a set of tetraminophen
• 1:28:39
  hydrocodone by tarte tartrate, which is also a third degree
• 1:28:43
  felony and then a third one to possession drug prep in a which
• 1:28:46
  is a misdemeanor charge. Miss Labee, I believe you're
• 1:28:49
  entitled to a bond as far as I know.
• 1:28:51
  Let me see if the attorneys have any additional information
• 1:28:53
  before I address that bond status.
• 1:28:54
  Mr. McDaniel, anything we. Just request.
• 1:28:59
  You'd be subject to random UA's. Thank.
• 1:29:01
  You. Both Miss Labee, I'm going to
• 1:29:02
  set the normal bond I would set for these charges for
• 1:29:04
  individuals who don't get a conditional lease and you've got
• 1:29:07
  it's been quite a while since you've been in trouble, but you
• 1:29:09
  do have some prior drug charges so your bonds going to be $5000
• 1:29:12
  each on the two felonies the. The paraphernalia.
• 1:29:15
  Is a. It's a packaging.
• 1:29:18
  Paraphernalia, it's not like it's a separate item like a pipe
• 1:29:20
  or or anything like that. So what I normally do with that
• 1:29:23
  is $1000 bond. So your total bond this will be
• 1:29:26
  is $11,000 cash or surety. Ma'am, you do have a condition
• 1:29:30
  of random urinalysis to be aware of that any drug and a judge can
• 1:29:34
  order to be drug tested. Ma'am, as long as the case is
• 1:29:36
  still pending in your own bond and if you have something in
• 1:29:40
  your system you don't have a valid prescription for that
• 1:29:42
  could violate your bond. This will be you'll get to use
• 1:29:45
  the phone in a few minutes, ma'am, to try to post the bond.
• 1:29:47
  Do you have any questions? No, Sir.
• 1:29:50
  Have a good day, ma'am, if we can give her notice please, from
• 1:29:54
  March 3rd. Thank you for reminding me.
• 1:29:56
  March 3rd at 8:30 of your court date and felony court.
• 1:29:59
  And then we have Phillip Wilson. Mr. Wilson, good morning.
• 1:30:03
  You're here because you've been accused of one kind of attaching
• 1:30:05
  A tag not assigned a motor vehicle.
• 1:30:07
  Mr. Wilson, there is probable cause for that charge and I'm
• 1:30:11
  going to appoint the public centers office to represent you.
• 1:30:13
  Please listen to Mr. McDaniel, Sir, I swear to Mr. Wilson,
• 1:30:16
  we're going to include no contest and charges.
• 1:30:18
  Listen, you understand he'll be a $400.00 fines in 60 days or
• 1:30:21
  he'll serve 10 days to come to jail.
• 1:30:22
  He. Has.
• 1:30:23
  Waited to a jury trial and call witnesses.
• 1:30:28
  Mr. Mitchell's had agreeable with the state.
• 1:30:30
  It is your honor. So, Mr. Wilson, did you hear
• 1:30:33
  that agreement? Yes, Sir.
• 1:30:36
  Mr. Wilson. Do you have any questions about
• 1:30:37
  that agreement? No, Sir.
• 1:30:40
  And is that the plea you would like dinner.
• 1:30:42
  Yes, Sir, Mr. Wilson, I'm going. To accept your plea of no
• 1:30:45
  contest to the charge of attaching A tag not assigned or
• 1:30:48
  withhold adjudication of guilt sentence you to 10 days in jail.
• 1:30:51
  But you will never serve that 10 days as long as you pay the
• 1:30:53
  court costs and fines. They're set by state and county
• 1:30:56
  law at the amount of $400.00. You have 60 days to pay those,
• 1:31:00
  Mr. Wilson. That means a due date of April
• 1:31:04
  13th. Mr. Wilson, if you get it paid
• 1:31:07
  by the 13th, the case is over and you do not come back to
• 1:31:09
  court. I always put a court date, a
• 1:31:11
  follow up court date on the notice.
• 1:31:12
  And here's why. If something comes up and you
• 1:31:15
  can't get it paid by the 13th, you've got to be back in court
• 1:31:17
  the very next day, which is the 14th of April at 8:30 AM.
• 1:31:21
  And the reason for that is to ask for an extension.
• 1:31:24
  So if you get it paid, you don't come to court, the case is over,
• 1:31:26
  but if you need an extension, you come on the 14th.
• 1:31:28
  Explain the circumstances to me. We'll look at how much you were
• 1:31:31
  able to get paid and I'll make a decision on granting or not
• 1:31:34
  granting or denying an extension.
• 1:31:36
  But if you get it paid again, you do not come back to court.
• 1:31:39
  The officer is not turning any citations in with a ticket.
• 1:31:42
  So if there are other citations such as driving while license
• 1:31:46
  suspended unknowingly which he mentions but there's no citation
• 1:31:49
  for it. If there any other?
• 1:31:50
  Citations turning 19 to dismiss those because of the plea that
• 1:31:54
  you've entered in this case in the criminal charge.
• 1:31:57
  You'll get to use the phone in a few minutes, Sir, and you're
• 1:31:59
  going to be released this morning.
• 1:32:00
  Do you have any questions? No Sir, wish you the best.
• 1:32:03
  Sir. So do you still have to have the
• 1:32:07
  citation to in in this plan? So we all notify the sheriff's
• 1:32:12
  permit, OK? Mr. Ben Daniel.
• 1:32:14
  That's it on the first appearance list.
• 1:32:16
  You ready to move over to the jail docket, Sir?
• 1:32:19
  Yes, Your Honor, we have William.
• 1:32:22
  Dennis. Dennis, good morning.
• 1:32:28
  You have friends or family in the courtroom, Sir, you're here
• 1:32:30
  because you've been accused of 1 count of obstruction of justice.
• 1:32:33
  And this is an arraignment down or pretrial, I can't ever tell.
• 1:32:36
  It's an arraignment. So I'm going to.
• 1:32:38
  Appoint the public service to represent you.
• 1:32:40
  Mr. Dennis, you do have friends or family in the courtroom.
• 1:32:43
  Listen to Mr. McDaniel. We'll see what we stand in your
• 1:32:45
  case, Sir. Now, are we going to interpleave
• 1:32:47
  not guilty as I said this in the April 8th pretrial docket and
• 1:32:50
  I'll request discovery and we'll go from there.
• 1:32:51
  Back we get back in April. April.
• 1:32:54
  April 8th. Mr. McCoy.
• 1:32:57
  No objection to that, Your Honor, Mr. Dennis.
• 1:32:59
  Do you have any questions? No Sir, just was wondering.
• 1:33:02
  About the bond that I'd set for before, it's still in play.
• 1:33:06
  Yeah. So, yeah, you're not in jail on
• 1:33:09
  this charge at all. My understanding is you post a
• 1:33:11
  bond on this case. Yes, Sir.
• 1:33:13
  There's a bond set in the other cases there's right now that's
• 1:33:16
  still the same unless Judge Garcia modifies it.
• 1:33:19
  But we're going to schedule you for April 8th.
• 1:33:21
  Let me see if your family has any questions.
• 1:33:23
  Any questions? All right, April 8th in the
• 1:33:25
  misdemeanor case. Wish you the best, Sir.
• 1:33:28
  Thank you. Yes, Sir.
• 1:33:29
  Have a good day. And the 8th will be at 9:00 AM,
• 1:33:34
  ladies. You're welcome.
• 1:33:37
  Kevin. Kondraki.
• 1:33:39
  Mr. Kondraki, good morning. You're here in case 26-25 CT
• 1:33:43
  charged with one count of driving under the influence
• 1:33:46
  greater than .15. Well, Mr. Contract, I'm going to
• 1:33:51
  appoint the public centers officer represents you and ask
• 1:33:53
  that you listen to Mr. McDaniel, your attorney.
• 1:33:55
  Your Honor, we're going to please not please, no contest.
• 1:33:58
  The charges listed $1078 in fines.
• 1:34:00
  He can work those off doing public works.
• 1:34:03
  He'll be placed on probation for the probation complete Chrome
• 1:34:09
  drug rehab. That'll be stipulation list and
• 1:34:11
  .15 what alcohol content. He has waived his right to a
• 1:34:13
  jury trial and called witnesses and that'll resolve this case
• 1:34:16
  today. And Mr. Mitchell, is that
• 1:34:20
  agreeable with the state? It is your honor.
• 1:34:22
  I did just want to point out when I sent the docket out, I
• 1:34:25
  did. There was a typo error.
• 1:34:26
  I thought the IT was a six month jail sentence with it being
• 1:34:30
  served in Chrome. I look back at your first
• 1:34:32
  appearance offer and it said six months jail or inpatient drug
• 1:34:35
  treatment so we can treat it as a probation sentence with the
• 1:34:39
  condition, he complete Chrome. And Mr. Kondraki, did you hear
• 1:34:45
  that agreement, Sir? I did do.
• 1:34:48
  You have any? Questions about that?
• 1:34:49
  Agreement. I do.
• 1:34:51
  Not is. That the plea that you would
• 1:34:53
  like to enter it is Mr. Contract, I'm accept your plea
• 1:34:57
  of no contest to the charge of driving on the influence of
• 1:35:00
  alcohol or other substance with a .15 or greater blood or breath
• 1:35:05
  alcohol level does indicate you give.
• 1:35:08
  We would stipulate, given the facts of the case, he was caught
• 1:35:13
  driving a tractor around under the influence.
• 1:35:17
  I guess given the circumstances of that fact pattern, we would
• 1:35:20
  stipulate to a less than .15. So it's.
• 1:35:23
  You're actually pleading to less than .15 for first appearance
• 1:35:26
  purposes, even though it's a .183 and a .19 O.
• 1:35:32
  So you'll be adjudicated guilty of that offense less than .15
• 1:35:35
  and I sentence you to 11 months and 29 days probation with the
• 1:35:38
  standard conditions of probation plus the following special
• 1:35:41
  conditions, Mr. Contraci, you'll pay court costs and fines of
• 1:35:44
  $1078 and you'll be required to successfully complete the the
• 1:35:48
  inpatient program at Chrome. Sir, as long as you complete
• 1:35:52
  that program, that will fully satisfy the sentence because
• 1:35:57
  it's probation, you're complete the inpatient and the outpatient
• 1:36:00
  portion of the program. I think the inpatient portion,
• 1:36:02
  last time I was updated was about nine months long.
• 1:36:06
  But when you finish that program, you'll check in with
• 1:36:08
  the probation office and the 1078 will likely be worked off
• 1:36:13
  at Chrome because you'll get credit for community service
• 1:36:15
  that you do there. Ask the program, and that'll
• 1:36:19
  probably satisfy your court costs and fines, hopefully.
• 1:36:21
  Miss Colberth, are you involved in this case?
• 1:36:24
  Do we know when he's going to be taken over there or how?
• 1:36:26
  Mr. McDaniel and Miss Colberth, I mean.
• 1:36:28
  They said. They should have a vote
• 1:36:30
  available today so. I I mean our visa as it.
• 1:36:35
  Is. Available.
• 1:36:39
  I don't know if you heard that Miss Corp because it's.
• 1:36:40
  In the courtroom. She said that she thinks they're
• 1:36:42
  going to have a bed available today.
• 1:36:43
  She's about to contact them and and make sure Mr. Goodson
• 1:36:47
  anything. So Officer Campbell, I guess you
• 1:36:52
  can bring him up this morning so I can instruct him and then
• 1:36:54
  he'll go back to the facility and and report to Chrome upon a
• 1:36:58
  bed being available. So I'm, I'm confused a little
• 1:37:02
  bit, Mr. McDaniel said impatient.
• 1:37:07
  And you're saying inpatient and outpatient.
• 1:37:09
  So then so is he completing both or what is that?
• 1:37:13
  What do we because? It's probation.
• 1:37:16
  He's got to complete the program, so they'll decide what
• 1:37:19
  that means. But I think they have an
• 1:37:21
  outpatient part that is part of the program before they give
• 1:37:23
  them the certificate of completion.
• 1:37:26
  Sure. Yeah.
• 1:37:27
  I'm going to be able to hear you, Miss Colburn.
• 1:37:31
  Mr. Contract, you want to make sure that we're all on the same
• 1:37:33
  page for forcing. You to talk.
• 1:37:35
  Sorry I'm. A little under the weather.
• 1:37:37
  So, yeah, the, the residential portion is 9 months and then
• 1:37:41
  there's the, they call it aftercare portion that I mean
• 1:37:45
  really it's until you get blessed out until they feel like
• 1:37:47
  you are ready to enter society, you know, and I mean, I know you
• 1:37:52
  have a home and I know you have all those things, but whatever
• 1:37:55
  you need to do to be able to, to move back into society
• 1:37:59
  successfully, that's when you'll complete the program.
• 1:38:01
  So it could be at nine months, it could be at 12 months, it
• 1:38:05
  could be at 15 months, you know what I mean?
• 1:38:07
  So it's not a set, but I know it's 1129 probation.
• 1:38:11
  So within that 1129 probably. So let's say you.
• 1:38:14
  Get to the 11. Months of 29 days probation and
• 1:38:16
  they still haven't released you. As long as you're still in good
• 1:38:19
  standing, your probation is going to be terminated.
• 1:38:21
  We can't. Supervise you longer than 11
• 1:38:23
  months and 29 days on a first degree misdemeanor.
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  Yes, Mr. Contracty, knowing all of that, is that still the plea
• 1:38:28
  you would like to enter? Yes, Yes, Sir.
• 1:38:31
  I just want to make sure for clarification purposes, we and I
• 1:38:35
  know we started doing the probation, but I think they get
• 1:38:37
  confused when they think because we terminate people early at six
• 1:38:41
  months, he is not going to be eligible for early termination
• 1:38:45
  based on what is put on the record today, correct the only
• 1:38:50
  way. He'd be out of early termination
• 1:38:51
  is if he completed the inpatient portion and he was in the
• 1:38:54
  outpatient portion, then I might would consider it then.
• 1:38:58
  But I'm not saying I would do it.
• 1:38:59
  But you got to definitely complete the inpatient portion,
• 1:39:02
  which was nine months long. Any questions, Mr. Contract?
• 1:39:07
  No, Sir. All right, Sir.
• 1:39:08
  Anything else? Miss Coburn?
• 1:39:10
  Wish you the best, Sir. I think I got everything on
• 1:39:12
  there. Next case.
• 1:39:16
  We have is Cornelius Watson. Mr. Watson.
• 1:39:18
  Good morning, Sir. You're here in case 25-5.
• 1:39:21
  Good morning. You're here in 533.
• 1:39:23
  I'm good. You're charged with one count of
• 1:39:25
  trespass. I'm going to appoint the public
• 1:39:27
  affairs officer represents you. Mr. Watson.
• 1:39:28
  Listen to Mr. McDaniel and then we'll see if you have any
• 1:39:30
  questions in just a minute. Sir, the honor I spoke to Mr.
• 1:39:33
  Watson. He's going to plea of no con.
• 1:39:35
  She can plea of no contest. The charges.
• 1:39:37
  Listen, do you understand any of you placed in the jail for six
• 1:39:39
  months, $370 fine. You have 53 days jail credit.
• 1:39:43
  This is at the handy mark. Not, you know, I just I.
• 1:39:46
  Mean, you obviously know Mr. Watson had some mental issues
• 1:39:49
  and why not? And you know, he's alleged
• 1:39:51
  walking through the parking lot as he's cutting across through
• 1:39:53
  there going into town. But we're still going to just go
• 1:39:56
  ahead and play no contest to it. Mr. Mitchell's out agreeable
• 1:40:00
  with the state. It is your honor, Mr. Watson,
• 1:40:02
  did you hear that agreement, Sir?
• 1:40:04
  Yes, Sir. Mr. Watson, do.
• 1:40:06
  You have any questions about that agreement?
• 1:40:08
  No, no. Sir and.
• 1:40:10
  Sir, is that the plea that you would like to enter?
• 1:40:13
  That's the same thing we could talk about, yes.
• 1:40:14
  Yes, yes. I'm going to accept your plea of
• 1:40:17
  no contest either charge of trespass, first degree
• 1:40:21
  misdemeanor. I'm going to withhold
• 1:40:22
  adjudication actually. Yeah.
• 1:40:25
  Based on this history, the the agreements are judge guilty, but
• 1:40:28
  Mr. Watson sentenced you to six months in jail, 53 days credit.
• 1:40:32
  That means you've already served almost two months of it.
• 1:40:35
  So you've got about. Four months, about four months
• 1:40:37
  left, but you've certainly may do less than that with the
• 1:40:39
  trustee program. Hopefully you will. 370 court
• 1:40:43
  costs and fines are being imposed, Mr. Watson.
• 1:40:47
  You don't have to pay them. You'll get a chance to work them
• 1:40:49
  off at the jail is what you get. The trustee program you won't
• 1:40:52
  have. You won't know anything when you
• 1:40:53
  get out. If you get in that program and
• 1:40:54
  stay in it, Mr. Watson, do you have any?
• 1:40:56
  Questions. No, Sir, No.
• 1:40:58
  All right, Sir, I. Wish you the best.
• 1:41:03
  We have Willie Frank Hill. Mr. Hill, good morning.
• 1:41:13
  Good. Morning.
• 1:41:16
  Good morning. You're here in case 24-693CT.
• 1:41:21
  This is a violation of probation.
• 1:41:23
  Mr. Hill. You're accused of violating in
• 1:41:25
  terms of your probation. In that case I've already
• 1:41:27
  appointed the public office to represent you.
• 1:41:29
  I believe so. Listen to Mr. McDaniel, your
• 1:41:32
  attorney, please, Your Honor. Mr. Hill is going to be the
• 1:41:34
  valley is probation. You understand it needs to be
• 1:41:36
  assistant 30 days in the county jail.
• 1:41:37
  We have 19 days jail credit and that'll resolve this case today.
• 1:41:42
  30 days shall 19 days credit and remaining court costs and funds.
• 1:41:47
  Everything was paid. Mr. Mitchell's had a great with
• 1:41:50
  the state. It is your.
• 1:41:50
  Honor, Thank you, Mr. Hill, did you hear that agreement?
• 1:41:53
  Yes, Sir. And do you have?
• 1:41:55
  Any questions about the agreement?
• 1:41:57
  No, Sir. Remember, you're here on this
• 1:41:59
  case. You want him to.
• 1:42:00
  Know that you're here. What's your relationships?
• 1:42:02
  I can tell him If I say friend. He's probably got more than one
• 1:42:06
  friend. Girlfriend.
• 1:42:07
  He may have more than one girlfriend.
• 1:42:08
  We're going to go with him. OK.
• 1:42:10
  Mr. Hill. Your only girlfriend.
• 1:42:11
  Remember that your only girlfriend is present.
• 1:42:14
  I just want you to know that she's here supporting you.
• 1:42:16
  So, Mr. Hill, I'm going to step your admission that you violated
• 1:42:18
  the terms of your probation. Provoke that supervision
• 1:42:21
  sentence you to 30 days in jail, but you have 19 days credit.
• 1:42:24
  There are no remaining court costs and fines, Mr. Hill.
• 1:42:28
  That means you have 11 days at most.
• 1:42:32
  The reason I say at most is you may get some gang time under
• 1:42:35
  floor law. That's between you and the jail.
• 1:42:37
  Can't promise you that. Just telling you that might
• 1:42:39
  happen. So, ma'am, he'll be out in 11
• 1:42:41
  days or less. He could be 9 or 10 depending on
• 1:42:44
  how it all works out. Let me see if your girlfriend
• 1:42:46
  has any questions, ma'am. Do you have any questions, Mr.
• 1:42:49
  Hill? Do you have any questions, Sir?
• 1:42:51
  No. Wish you the best, Sir.
• 1:42:55
  Thank you for coming, ma'am. Mr. McDaniel, it's everything I
• 1:43:04
  had on my docket for the jail arraignment and the first
• 1:43:07
  appearance is anything else from the Public Center's office.
• 1:43:10
  All right, as he wraps up his day, let's move to Texas.
• 1:43:15
  Judge Stevens, but I'm looking. At. 2 cases. 23 CR 2023.
• 1:43:25
  CR 2001. But they didn't show up on.
• 1:43:31
  The on 2000 so he's charged with deadly conduct discharging firm,
• 1:43:43
  a third degree felony in 2000. That bond is $25,000.
• 1:43:49
  It's been revoked. It's now $50,000 plus GPS 23 CR
• 1:43:54
  2001. Cameron Smith was failed with
• 1:43:59
  Hold it down, Thank You was indicted on the second degree
• 1:44:03
  felony of aggravated assault. With a deadly.
• 1:44:06
  Weapon that is also a $25,000 bond.
• 1:44:09
  He has failed to appear it is result it is doubled to $50,000
• 1:44:13
  as well as the preceding and I so now as a total of $100,000 in
• 1:44:22
  bonds plus Agps device must be I mean at all times no?
• 1:44:31
  He didn't pay. For his GPS, the from the
• 1:44:33
  bondsman I don't know. If the bond.
• 1:44:37
  Was taking the bank, I know. There's.
• 1:44:42
  An. Issue with GPS there is what
• 1:44:44
  we're having here. Which what the what GPS?
• 1:44:47
  How do you spell that J EE? I'm not sure exactly like it
• 1:44:54
  sounds. Yeah, that makes.
• 1:45:01
  You'd be a hard time. In the Judge Decorin White, Mr.
• 1:45:06
  White, right here, Your honor, we would.
• 1:45:07
  Like to set this for. Trial.
• 1:45:09
  We'd have filled our play Rejection then let me just go
• 1:45:12
  just to make sure that the record shows since we're looking
• 1:45:16
  at 20 years in prison. 25 CR 1158 is called the state of
• 1:45:22
  Texas versus Jacorin. Why that is used correct.
• 1:45:26
  And you were here with Mr. W, you were attorney in the state's
• 1:45:30
  attorney. You were invited back in August
• 1:45:37
  of last year or the second degree felony assault on a peace
• 1:45:43
  officer. If convicted, that carries with
• 1:45:45
  it no less than two nor more than 20 years can find it in
• 1:45:49
  prison and a fine up to $10,000 can be assessed as well.
• 1:45:55
  Let me see if I can read this. I'll just say it is, I mean
• 1:46:00
  super tiny. It's like I'm doing an eye chest
• 1:46:08
  that they die down. This is the.
• 1:47:40
  Defendant. Stepped out of his vehicles.
• 1:47:43
  This all was at 1:30 in the morning when everything was
• 1:47:46
  supposed. To be close.
• 1:47:47
  And step down of the vehicle. They proceeded to arrest him and
• 1:47:55
  then the defendant shook the. Officer.
• 1:47:59
  In his face and while he was attempting to investigate the
• 1:48:10
  case of why these people were there at 1:30 in the morning and
• 1:48:12
  not leaving area where the owner of the business, the property
• 1:48:24
  manager arrived and advised the defendant and some other person
• 1:48:27
  needs with to leave and they refused to do at 1:30 stocks.
• 1:48:33
  So that's what that's all about. And OK, let's put that to file.
• 1:48:40
  There is no deal on that. OK, All right,
• 1:48:54
  Laid. Out some frame I have.
• 1:48:58
  This is actually yes, Sir. I have a motion file.
• 1:49:02
  That's getting to the compensates.
• 1:49:07
  We have a flea. In place.
• 1:49:10
  Yeah. But.
• 1:49:12
  That's never that. Popular it gets.
• 1:49:14
  It gets icy that I just want to make.
• 1:49:16
  Sure, the machines that we. Get rolled.
• 1:49:22
  In we're talking. We have.
• 1:49:25
  Long ago, but if the question becomes what's going on?
• 1:49:34
  You know, all righty, I'll. Keep an eye on that court.
• 1:49:37
  But let's let's go back to Judge Middleton.
• 1:49:40
  He's going to do a parole violation hearing from the looks
• 1:49:43
  of this morning. Pleased to see you look like
• 1:49:47
  that. We have.
• 1:49:57
  Two probation violation matters set for 930.
• 1:50:02
  Tina Lynn Kaufman. She's here in the courtroom.
• 1:50:05
  Also present is Miss Natalie Nicole Welch.
• 1:50:09
  This is file 251418 FY. Miss Welch was placed on
• 1:50:36
  probation for a charge of use of a controlled substance, which
• 1:50:42
  was everything you could think of.
• 1:50:45
  I put her in jail and I tried to get her into some treatment,
• 1:50:51
  some of which didn't go very well.
• 1:50:58
  We had tried earlier attempt the Fed.
• 1:51:01
  It was back in jail. She got a hold of some substance
• 1:51:07
  while in the jail, which was very troubling for a couple of
• 1:51:10
  different reasons. And so Daniel filed this
• 1:51:15
  probation violation petition. Let me refer to it.
• 1:51:22
  And correct me, it was a suboxone, not heroin.
• 1:51:29
  He alleged that you were placed on probation in October of 25
• 1:51:33
  for 24 months and you used a controlled substance, heroin,
• 1:51:38
  which turned out to be Suboxone, in the jail on January 3rd and
• 1:51:43
  January 7th. I got.
• 1:51:47
  An e-mail this morning from Daniel.
• 1:51:51
  See if Angelique got it. I do.
• 1:51:55
  I have a. You have the same e-mail.
• 1:52:00
  I know I have the probation violation petition as well as
• 1:52:04
  the status report but. Here is an update.
• 1:52:13
  I'll read the. E-mail.
• 1:52:14
  I'll forward it to you. Thank you.
• 1:52:28
  I went with the how could we do worse in treatment than we are
• 1:52:33
  doing with her jail option. We're struggling on what to do
• 1:52:37
  with her. After much work, Miss Franks,
• 1:52:40
  who's Lauren Franks, our pivotal liaison at the jail.
• 1:52:45
  After a much work, Miss Franks and I finally got Natalie into
• 1:52:50
  the Guiding Light inpatient in Grand Rapids.
• 1:52:54
  Normally they don't accept people with pending criminal
• 1:52:57
  issues. However, after several
• 1:52:58
  conversations and with the help of Miss Franks, they decided to
• 1:53:02
  accept her into the program. Her case manager, Heather Hayes,
• 1:53:06
  and I spoke and thought that having this overhead would be a
• 1:53:11
  good motivator. I spoke to her and explained her
• 1:53:15
  options, pleading guilty. Perhaps we can put the
• 1:53:18
  sentencing out enough to have her complete the program, or not
• 1:53:23
  guilty, which we have put her on a probation.
• 1:53:26
  I hope. Is after speaking with Natalie
• 1:53:28
  she will plead and we would defer the sentence.
• 1:53:33
  The case worker was made a way that made aware that this is
• 1:53:36
  Miss Welch's very last chance and her only option is jail if
• 1:53:41
  she should fail again. Natalie, Daniel and I have been
• 1:53:46
  discussing your case on and off through December and early
• 1:53:52
  January. I won't go into the details, but
• 1:53:56
  I understand that they got some Suboxone into the women's cells
• 1:54:00
  at the jail and that you use some and acknowledged it.
• 1:54:12
  We had really wanted treatment rather than incarceration.
• 1:54:18
  And Daniel, from your e-mail today, the defendant is
• 1:54:21
  currently in an inpatient residential treatment facility.
• 1:54:25
  Yes. Guiding Light in Grand Rapids.
• 1:54:28
  How long have you been there, Miss Welch?
• 1:54:32
  I got here January 30th. I got accepted on February 4th.
• 1:54:37
  Did that your mom bring you some clothes?
• 1:54:50
  Yes, my mom and my sister brought me up here and they
• 1:54:55
  provided me with clothing and stuff.
• 1:55:03
  All right, what Daniel recommended to that e-mail is if
• 1:55:06
  you admit to this violation of using the Suboxone, I would
• 1:55:10
  simply continue your probation and set this sentencing out to
• 1:55:15
  give you time to complete the Guiding Light program in Grand
• 1:55:19
  Rapids. You look good and I've seen you
• 1:55:24
  where you didn't look good. And so you've been you've got
• 1:55:28
  quite a bit of clean time under your belt.
• 1:55:33
  If you plead not guilty to this, I guess Daniel is proposing we
• 1:55:38
  have a hearing and simply. Invoke your.
• 1:55:41
  Probation, which I don't really want to do.
• 1:55:44
  I'd like to see you come out the other end of this, Miss Welch.
• 1:55:49
  Are you willing to admit that during that period in January
• 1:55:54
  when you were on probation, you did use a controlled substance
• 1:55:57
  in violation of the terms of your probation?
• 1:56:01
  Yes, your Honor. Anybody threaten you to get you
• 1:56:04
  to do that? No, Your Honor.
• 1:56:07
  Or. Promise you anything?
• 1:56:09
  No. Your.
• 1:56:09
  Honor. Do you understand that you do
• 1:56:13
  have a right to have a hearing on this matter?
• 1:56:17
  We could get an attorney and actually take testimony where it
• 1:56:21
  had to be shown beyond probable cause that you violated your
• 1:56:25
  probation. I was very pleased when I saw
• 1:56:29
  Daniel's e-mail this morning because frankly, I've kind of
• 1:56:32
  been dreading this. Apparently you've been in a
• 1:56:35
  program for several weeks and I didn't know it.
• 1:56:43
  All right. Other than.
• 1:56:45
  That Did anyone threaten you to get you to plead to this?
• 1:56:48
  I think I asked you that or promise you anything.
• 1:56:51
  No, Your Honor. All right, did somebody smuggle
• 1:56:54
  some Suboxone into the women's cells?
• 1:57:00
  Yes. Your Honor.
• 1:57:01
  That's two. Occasions in January, did you
• 1:57:04
  use it? Yes, your Honor.
• 1:57:14
  And then you acknowledged it, you owned it.
• 1:57:16
  I think you admitted that you would use it.
• 1:57:18
  Is that correct? Yes.
• 1:57:21
  Your Honor. Tell me.
• 1:57:28
  About Guiding Light program you're in, well, it's a very
• 1:57:35
  structured program. We do classes and we go to a, A
• 1:57:40
  or NA meetings every day, at least once a day or twice a day.
• 1:57:45
  We go to. CrossFit and we go to the 8th
• 1:57:49
  gym. And we go to the.
• 1:57:50
  YMCA and we do workouts for about an hour 4 times a week.
• 1:57:57
  The meetings, we usually have 1:00 in the afternoon and then
• 1:58:01
  we'll have one around like 6 O clock at night and the house has
• 1:58:09
  seven of us girls and we're all working on ourselves.
• 1:58:14
  It's a really. Good program.
• 1:58:17
  The girls here are really supportive, like we're good
• 1:58:20
  community here and the life I have AI now have a sponsor.
• 1:58:28
  I just got a sponsor yesterday and I'm going to be working the
• 1:58:34
  12 steps with my sponsor. And the life.
• 1:58:36
  Coaches here are wonderful in the classes that we do.
• 1:58:41
  Like last week was self-awareness and then this
• 1:58:44
  week is self compassion. So like we basically just work
• 1:58:47
  on our recovery here for the like the next four months and
• 1:58:51
  then I plan on going to sober living after my four months out
• 1:58:56
  here in Grand Rapids. They have a sober living house
• 1:58:59
  for after the it's called the achieve if you complete this
• 1:59:03
  program. We do chores and stuff here and
• 1:59:07
  at home. So like.
• 1:59:09
  We got to wake. Up at 5:00 AM and we're usually
• 1:59:12
  working until like I would say 10:00 at night, I go to bed.
• 1:59:17
  But like it's really structured here and it's a really good
• 1:59:19
  program. Well, I think we won the Lotto
• 1:59:23
  by getting you into this program.
• 1:59:26
  There's only 7 beds and great credit to Lauren, Frank and
• 1:59:31
  Daniel for getting you in there. So with her admission and Miss
• 1:59:35
  Canfield is also here, but I think she would agree with us.
• 1:59:37
  This is a good course, so she was placed on probation for 24
• 1:59:43
  months in October Daniel the at this point would simply continue
• 1:59:49
  the probation correct your honor and as.
• 1:59:59
  She said it was a four or at least at least four months
• 2:00:02
  before she get in the sober living.
• 2:00:04
  I would ask that we at least set sentencing out at least that
• 2:00:06
  long to give her the opportunity to make it to the next process.
• 2:00:14
  So when you guys move, I'm sorry, at some point, Natalie,
• 2:00:19
  I'm going to get off your back. I'm either going to discharge it
• 2:00:22
  from probation, which I would like to or pull the pan.
• 2:00:29
  And right now you're doing way better.
• 2:00:32
  Than you. Were you bombed out of the
• 2:00:34
  earlier program? But this one sounds like a good
• 2:00:37
  fit, so. She definitely looks healthier
• 2:00:44
  than I've ever seen her book. Yes.
• 2:00:46
  She does. I was a little bit surprised
• 2:00:48
  when I saw her. She looks very good.
• 2:00:52
  So I'm glad, Natalie, that you're taking this seriously.
• 2:00:57
  And how old are you? Are you 21 yet?
• 2:01:02
  Yeah, I'm 20. One, I turned 22 in June.
• 2:01:06
  All right, well, today is February.
• 2:01:10
  She's been there a month. She got 1234.
• 2:01:17
  Let's set this for sentence for June 30th.
• 2:01:24
  Oh, a day after my birthday. Well, I can't do it on the 29th
• 2:01:29
  because that's my birthday. All right.
• 2:01:32
  We'll set it up for June 30th at 10:30.
• 2:01:38
  OK. And.
• 2:01:40
  Yes. So.
• 2:01:41
  For sentencing. So will I be sentenced to jail
• 2:01:46
  or what is my sentencing? Probably.
• 2:01:49
  Sentenced to nothing. I'm not going to put you in jail
• 2:01:52
  after you having you in this program and doing sober living.
• 2:01:56
  We're just setting it out to keep this hanging over your head
• 2:01:58
  as an incentive to stay plugged into your treatment program.
• 2:02:03
  In other words, I'm successful. You won't go to jail if you're
• 2:02:06
  not. You go to jail, Natalie.
• 2:02:07
  And you're doing great. I'm going to be.
• 2:02:08
  Successful. All right, That's what I hope.
• 2:02:15
  I was going to. Say I don't plan on coming back
• 2:02:17
  to Saint Joseph County. So like I was worried about my
• 2:02:20
  sentencing. That might be a good thing for
• 2:02:22
  you, Natalie. There's a lot of opportunity in
• 2:02:25
  Grand Rapids and a. Lot of.
• 2:02:30
  Bad influences who shall remain nameless.
• 2:02:33
  We're down here. Your B22.
• 2:02:39
  All right. You keep doing what you're
• 2:02:41
  doing, and we'll address this further.
• 2:02:43
  No, I don't plan on putting you in jail.
• 2:02:45
  If you're going to be successful in this program, I want you to
• 2:02:50
  be. Maybe this is a life altering
• 2:02:53
  thing that can change the rest of your life for the good.
• 2:02:57
  All right, we'll address this again in June 30th at 10:30.
• 2:03:02
  Stay in contact with the appeal. So we know we are we also need
• 2:03:07
  to have a release and probation is continued.
• 2:03:18
  All right, Natalie, this was a good.
• 2:03:22
  Thing. I think things are going well.
• 2:03:25
  I'm very hopeful for you. Mr. Truckee isn't here.
• 2:03:27
  He'd been your lawyer since you were young.
• 2:03:30
  And I will share this with him that you're doing as good as
• 2:03:35
  we've seen you. So good luck to you, Miss Welch.
• 2:03:39
  All right, Thank you. And I'll talk to.
• 2:03:42
  You next month on the phone. All right.
• 2:03:45
  What day should I call? I just call first week, first
• 2:03:48
  week of March. Are we fine?
• 2:03:50
  All right. Thank.
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  You, Daniel, Thank you. Thank you.
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  We have a. Council at Barker's too correct,
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  Your honor. What's that?
• 2:03:59
  We have a. Council with Barker, don't we?
• 2:04:02
  We do. Jared Barker isn't here.
• 2:04:06
  That's set for 9:30. Is he here?
• 2:04:09
  He's on the hall, apparently. Bring them both in, but we're
• 2:04:15
  going to deal with Tina Kaufman next.
• 2:04:18
  Miss Kaufman, would you come up and have?
• 2:04:20
  As myths miss Rather Kaufman approaches.
• 2:04:23
  Just an FYI, The sounds that you're hearing in the
• 2:04:25
  background, they're doing construction at that courthouse.
• 2:04:27
  You're hearing like saws and stuff, just so you know what's
• 2:04:29
  going on. Here's another case without a
• 2:04:41
  good, clear answer. Miss Kaufman is farther down the
• 2:04:46
  road than Miss Welch. She's.
• 2:04:51
  Got a lot more baggage and history, but you're Tina Lynn
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  Kaufman. Yes.
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  This is file number 241968 SD. You're.
• 2:05:02
  Charged. With operating while
• 2:05:03
  intoxicated, it was reduced from an operating while intoxicated
• 2:05:08
  with a high blood alcohol to that.
• 2:05:12
  To do a little history lesson here, you got arrested on May
• 2:05:21
  26th of 2024 on Sproul Road for operating with a high blood
• 2:05:28
  alcohol level. Then you got arrested again in
• 2:05:33
  August of 2024 for operating with a high blood alcohol level
• 2:05:39
  in Colon Township on Borough Road and Custer Rd.
• 2:05:44
  The August case was dismissed outright and you pled to the
• 2:05:52
  Excuse me? The the.
• 2:05:58
  May case was dismissed. You pled to the August case.
• 2:06:02
  You were placed on probation in January of 2025 for 24 months.
• 2:06:09
  Your probation officer is Autumn Kiefer.
• 2:06:13
  She filed a probation violation petition that you got arrested
• 2:06:19
  in. I'm not sure what the date of
• 2:06:24
  that offense is. We'll find out.
• 2:06:25
  You, you were convicted operating with a high blood
• 2:06:35
  alcohol level drinking driving in LaGrange County after you
• 2:06:40
  have been placed on this probation.
• 2:06:43
  So this is set for probation violation arraignment today.
• 2:06:48
  So that is the allegation that after you were placed on
• 2:06:52
  probation on our drunk driving charge, you got a new drunk
• 2:06:56
  driving charge and a conviction in the Grange County.
• 2:06:59
  And that is the number one condition of probation not
• 2:07:03
  violate any law of any unit of government.
• 2:07:09
  The date of the offense. June 18th of 2020.
• 2:07:18
  Five June 18th of 25 after you were placed on probation, you
• 2:07:25
  got serious health issues. You're continuing to struggle
• 2:07:32
  and you're on allegedly a probation in LaGrange County.
• 2:07:38
  Also. Present is Anthony Camfield from
• 2:07:40
  the prosecuting attorney's office.
• 2:07:43
  Kiefer, he is your original probation officer.
• 2:07:46
  And who's going to be your new probation officer?
• 2:07:49
  So Walton, Miss Kiefer, what's the status here?
• 2:07:53
  So Miss. Kaufman.
• 2:07:55
  As their. Your Honor has stated she was
• 2:07:58
  arrested back in June of 2025 for driving under the influence
• 2:08:02
  in LaGrange County. She did have a.
• 2:08:05
  Blood. Result down there, but .27 she
• 2:08:09
  had been in Boeing Center treatment.
• 2:08:12
  However she as your honor can see today she does have some
• 2:08:15
  serious medical issues that have been rearing their head for the
• 2:08:19
  last couple months. She has been in and out of the
• 2:08:21
  hospital. She did plead guilty in LaGrange
• 2:08:25
  County. She was sentenced in the
• 2:08:27
  beginning of January. She was sentenced to A1 year
• 2:08:30
  probation. However, LaGrange County, they
• 2:08:32
  will not begin that supervised probation until other probations
• 2:08:35
  are completed. So they are awaiting a phone
• 2:08:37
  call from our office this morning to let them know what
• 2:08:41
  occurs today. They are aware that she's on
• 2:08:44
  probation here and that she has violated that order.
• 2:08:47
  She did serve a couple days up front down in LaGrange County
• 2:08:50
  from that sentence in January. She does have 5 days.
• 2:08:54
  Deferred here. I feel that Miss Kaufman
• 2:08:59
  obviously has an alcohol addiction.
• 2:09:01
  She should be serving. Some of the deferred time,
• 2:09:05
  because that's what she was told in the beginning of the
• 2:09:07
  sentence, is that if she did violate this probation, those
• 2:09:10
  deferred time, that's what they'd be used for.
• 2:09:12
  However, her state today and her medical condition currently, I
• 2:09:15
  am not so sure that the jail is going to want to have her in
• 2:09:18
  their jail for five days. I understand and I appreciate
• 2:09:24
  Miss Kaufman coming in. She's always been upfront and
• 2:09:26
  asked with me every time that she's reported.
• 2:09:29
  She was attending online 12 step meetings because of the lack of
• 2:09:32
  her driver's license and her medical history.
• 2:09:34
  So she was doing that. She had been seeing Amanda down
• 2:09:37
  at the Bowman Center, so that has been continuing.
• 2:09:41
  When she's not hospitalized for the medical issues, she is
• 2:09:45
  trying to follow up on all of those issues.
• 2:09:48
  So I. Would ask today.
• 2:09:50
  I understand this is an arraignment, but I would ask
• 2:09:52
  that Miss Kaufman be revoked from this probation.
• 2:09:55
  I would like. Her to do at least two days in
• 2:09:57
  jail to push through the fact that she did violate this
• 2:10:01
  probation and she filled the order of the court and then she
• 2:10:04
  can be released down to LaGrange County to complete their
• 2:10:07
  probation. Thank you.
• 2:10:11
  All right, Miss Kaufman, that's your probation officer's
• 2:10:19
  recommendation. We're in a strange circumstance
• 2:10:30
  that you can't start your LaGrange probation until you get
• 2:10:34
  off this probation and you live in the Grange County and you've
• 2:10:42
  been doing your treatment in the Grange County and each of your
• 2:10:49
  blood alcohol level and all three of these was very high.
• 2:10:52
  It was all up in the two 20s or something, but you got some
• 2:10:57
  serious health problems. Autumn mentioned that our jail
• 2:11:01
  may not even accept you in light of your heart and respiratory
• 2:11:07
  issues. Now it's apparent to us that you
• 2:11:10
  got an oxygen tank with you. You're presently on prescribed
• 2:11:15
  oxygen, 24 hours. So this is an arraignment where
• 2:11:30
  the judge just tells you what the charge is.
• 2:11:33
  You have a right to have a hearing on the charge.
• 2:11:37
  You have a right to have an attorney, the original attorney.
• 2:11:39
  Was Mr. Felt? You retained him, but we could
• 2:11:42
  also hire a lawyer for you. We could appoint one to.
• 2:11:46
  Assist. You in the probation violation
• 2:11:48
  hearing? Your probation officer
• 2:11:50
  originally recommended five days, now she's recommended 2.
• 2:11:55
  I don't think our sheriff will take you even if I ordered a
• 2:11:59
  jail sentence. But the question here is, do you
• 2:12:05
  wish to simply admit this violation or do you wish to have
• 2:12:10
  a hearing on it? In which case I could appoint an
• 2:12:12
  attorney and set up for a hearing.
• 2:12:14
  Frankly, it won't be very hard to prove it.
• 2:12:19
  You pled guilty. One of the problems this you
• 2:12:22
  were placed on probation here in January.
• 2:12:25
  You got arrested in June. So this thing has been hanging
• 2:12:28
  over your head since June. We.
• 2:12:30
  Didn't actually do the probation violation until you were
• 2:12:33
  convicted in January. So and between June and January.
• 2:12:40
  You got. Plugged back into the Bowen
• 2:12:42
  Center. Is that correct?
• 2:12:44
  Yes. Tell me about that.
• 2:12:50
  Normally I meet with her two times a month.
• 2:12:54
  I meet with her today also and a couple other meetings I had to
• 2:13:02
  cancel because I was hospitalized.
• 2:13:06
  You were just in till New Year's Eve.
• 2:13:09
  The January 5th or 6th? No, the last.
• 2:13:14
  Time was. The 31st.
• 2:13:20
  Through the 3rd 30. 1st of February or January.
• 2:13:31
  All right, you've given yourself up more of a sentence than I
• 2:13:36
  could. What I.
• 2:13:37
  Propose to do is simply revoke your probation, let you go to
• 2:13:41
  Indiana and deal with your new probation and your new
• 2:13:45
  treatment. You got a supreme gift.
• 2:13:48
  They just outright dismissed one of these drunk driving charges
• 2:13:53
  and Mr. Felt was astute enough to know how bad your alcohol
• 2:13:57
  struggles were. But he negotiated that deal
• 2:14:01
  where one case was just disappeared.
• 2:14:04
  We tried the probation, then you got a new arrest a few months
• 2:14:07
  after that. In the meantime, your health is
• 2:14:10
  deteriorated. When did you have your last
• 2:14:13
  drink? I went.
• 2:14:16
  I completed treatment in August. I don't know.
• 2:14:25
  If if you'd. Like to see this?
• 2:14:26
  Sure. So you have.
• 2:14:29
  Anything since then or since you got out that?
• 2:14:36
  Was in. Summer 25, All right.
• 2:14:44
  Are you willing, based on what I told you, to acknowledge that
• 2:14:47
  you pled guilty to a drinking driving charge that occurred in
• 2:14:51
  June of two? 1000. 25 in the state of
• 2:14:53
  Indiana, but it was a violation of your probation.
• 2:14:59
  Yes, this smells. Like smoke?
• 2:15:03
  Are you still smoking? No.
• 2:15:08
  When did you last smoke? A couple months ago, I'm not
• 2:15:17
  sure I believe that, but you're not charged with a smoking
• 2:15:19
  violation, but as you know, it just adds to your decline.
• 2:15:26
  All right, I'll note that the defendant admits to.
• 2:15:28
  I'm going to keep that. Can I keep that one?
• 2:15:31
  Yes, all right. All right.
• 2:15:47
  You're willing to waive your right to have a hearing based on
• 2:15:50
  your probation violation based on what I told you, is that
• 2:15:53
  correct? Yes, I'm going to invoke your
• 2:15:56
  probation, waive all existing fine and cost this.
• 2:16:07
  Way you can. Start your probation in La
• 2:16:10
  Grange. You deserve a jail sentence.
• 2:16:12
  You deserve a significant one, but you have done some work
• 2:16:17
  since you got arrested in Indiana.
• 2:16:20
  You've been. Back plugged into treatment and
• 2:16:27
  you're going to be on a new probation and it's going to be
• 2:16:31
  very. Difficult.
• 2:16:35
  For you to be in jail, oxygen and other medications.
• 2:16:40
  And the sheriff probably won't even take you.
• 2:16:45
  So I'm discharging you from probation.
• 2:16:48
  I want you to go with Miss Kiefer.
• 2:16:51
  I'll take care of anything else that needs to be taken care of.
• 2:16:54
  Shows an unsuccessful discharge. Unsuccessful.
• 2:17:00
  Your. Honor.
• 2:17:01
  Yes. Unsuccessful.
• 2:17:07
  All right, one feel good event for the most part and one maybe
• 2:17:11
  not as much. Let's we'll go back to Judge
• 2:17:15
  Stevens, new contestant. We now.
• 2:17:55
  Call. 2. Cases involving Ashley Diane
• 2:17:59
  Nelson and clause numbers 24 CR 1985 and 24 CR 1986.
• 2:18:07
  And you are Ashley Nelson. You are present with your
• 2:18:12
  attorney. And.
• 2:18:13
  Of the State's Attorney, Mr. Jeffries, does the defendant
• 2:18:17
  wave a formal reading of the indictments and the arraignments
• 2:18:20
  in each of these cases, and can we proceed in a summary fashion?
• 2:18:25
  And it's my. Understanding that Miss Nelson
• 2:18:27
  will be entering a plea of guilty to this third degree
• 2:18:32
  felony of obstruction or retaliation in 24 CR 1985 and as
• 2:18:39
  part of the agreement the other case in 24 Co 1986, a third
• 2:18:44
  degree felony of obstruction or retaliation, that case will be
• 2:18:48
  dismissed. Is that understanding correct?
• 2:18:52
  Because that's what you understanding as well Miss
• 2:18:54
  Nelson. OK.
• 2:18:57
  First of all, earlier there was a question.
• 2:19:00
  That. Arose on the defendants as to
• 2:19:03
  the defendants competency and the court ordered Doctor Ed
• 2:19:08
  Rippon licensed psychiatrist here in in.
• 2:19:13
  Jefferson. County to evaluate the
• 2:19:15
  defendant. He did.
• 2:19:17
  Evaluate the defendant and there is a product of his evaluation
• 2:19:22
  that is reflected in this 1234 page report dated November 3rd,
• 2:19:32
  2025. And have.
• 2:19:35
  The parties had an opportunity to review it.
• 2:19:37
  Yes, your honor, and I've marked this as Courts exhibit #1 for
• 2:19:42
  today in this plea hearing. Any objection to its admission?
• 2:19:47
  No. Defense not from state.
• 2:19:48
  It will be made a part of the record and in summary it states
• 2:19:53
  that Miss Nelson is competent to proceed to a resolution of her
• 2:19:58
  legal issues at this. At the time she is a lady who
• 2:20:03
  understands her current legal charge and has adequate
• 2:20:06
  understandings of the legal proceedings.
• 2:20:10
  And additionally she does possess the ability to
• 2:20:12
  communicate with her attorney with a reasonable degree of
• 2:20:16
  rational understanding or the preparation of this case.
• 2:20:22
  And all of that is made part of this as Sports exhibit #1 and it
• 2:20:28
  will be kept sealed. Except for.
• 2:20:31
  Purposes of. Any.
• 2:20:33
  Review as necessary legally and not a publicly all right.
• 2:20:39
  All right. Miss.
• 2:20:40
  Nelson. In summary, this indictment in
• 2:20:52
  1985 states. The person who had reported the
• 2:21:15
  occurrence of a crime. Do you understand what?
• 2:21:19
  All. This states.
• 2:21:20
  You have to. Speak out.
• 2:21:22
  Yes ma'am, thank you very much. This is a third degree felony,
• 2:21:26
  which means if convicted you face no less than two nor more
• 2:21:30
  than 10 years confined with in prison and the fine up to
• 2:21:34
  $10,000 can be assessed. Do you understand the punishment
• 2:21:41
  range in this map? Yes Sir.
• 2:21:46
  There's only one silence that now works, and it's it finds its
• 2:21:57
  way around the road. Defendants.
• 2:22:07
  Got to sign this judicial admission at the bottom, waving
• 2:22:12
  rights of appeals in a minute. An agreement has been reached
• 2:22:16
  where you would be pleading guilty, placed on deferred or
• 2:22:19
  unadjudicated probation, which means you would not be found
• 2:22:22
  guilty. So long as you.
• 2:22:23
  Follow the terms and conditions of probation, which can be up to
• 2:22:27
  five years in length. You do?
• 2:22:29
  Well, it gets sharpened to 1/3. So a third of five years is
• 2:22:34
  what, 1 and 2/3? One is I'm.
• 2:22:37
  Doing the math well in this. One, Your Honor, is the third
• 2:22:40
  degree I believe I just recommended as the five years,
• 2:22:43
  but because she has done 489 days and in jail is already part
• 2:22:48
  of this. So I guess that's.
• 2:22:49
  What Mr. Jefforders was asking the court for the five years.
• 2:22:55
  I'm going to do that, OK. Yes, Sir.
• 2:22:57
  I mean the probation can be shortened.
• 2:22:59
  Yes, I think. But just.
• 2:23:00
  Deferred probation is what? Yes, deferred or unadjudicated
• 2:23:03
  probation we can do. It it can.
• 2:23:05
  Be up to 10 years in the late Yeah, we're going to.
• 2:23:09
  I'm going to go. With what the plan is here and
• 2:23:11
  five and then you get it gets shortened for good behavior.
• 2:23:15
  You get rewarded then as part of the agreement.
• 2:23:19
  The other case that's pending 24 CR 1986, which is another
• 2:23:22
  obstruction of retaliation, third degree felony.
• 2:23:25
  That will be. Dismissed and torn up.
• 2:23:29
  And thrown in the trash. As it were, is that your
• 2:23:33
  understanding of the plan? If I follow this agreement in
• 2:23:36
  these cases, you have no right of appeal of your cases, Do you
• 2:23:40
  understand? How do you?
• 2:23:42
  Plead to discharge in 1985. Third degree felony obstruction
• 2:23:46
  or retaliation. Guilty or not guilty?
• 2:23:48
  Guilty. Are you pleading?
• 2:23:50
  Guilty voluntarily, that is on your own free will and because
• 2:23:55
  you are guilty, I'm. Going to show you.
• 2:23:57
  What's marked as states Exhibit one?
• 2:23:59
  Now I'm going to give this to you so it's inside the bottom.
• 2:24:05
  Do you see States Exhibit 1 and you you're signing that at the
• 2:24:09
  bottom that waives all rights of appeal if I follow this
• 2:24:13
  agreement, I tend to, but do you see your other signature over
• 2:24:16
  the top on the top part? Did you?
• 2:24:19
  Understand the contents and discuss it with your attorney.
• 2:24:23
  Is everything truly correct here?
• 2:24:25
  State's Exhibit 1 is tendered into evidence and without
• 2:24:28
  objections to Jeffrey, it is admitted.
• 2:24:32
  This states that you are. Mentally competent to enter your
• 2:24:36
  guilty plea. It's freely involuntarily made
• 2:24:39
  as we stated you were. Very few are competent to do so
• 2:24:42
  and Doctor Edgar Find, licensed psychiatrist here in Jefferson
• 2:24:45
  County has evaluated you and deemed you to be fit and
• 2:24:49
  competent to stand trial and take care of your legal
• 2:24:53
  proceedings. You.
• 2:24:55
  Are giving up your rights to a jury trial and the rights to the
• 2:24:57
  appearance, confrontation, cross examination of witnesses.
• 2:25:00
  You are guilty of this offense in any lesser included offenses.
• 2:25:04
  And. You are totally satisfied with
• 2:25:06
  the representation provided by your lawyer.
• 2:25:10
  You have also read this instrument and understand the
• 2:25:14
  invitement fully. All of this, it states, is true.
• 2:25:18
  So help you God states Exhibit 1 is made a part of the record for
• 2:25:22
  all purposes and the objection. If.
• 2:25:25
  Nothing. Further, I will find as follows
• 2:25:27
  that, Miss Nelson, you are indeed mentally competent to
• 2:25:32
  enter your guilty plea. It is freely and voluntarily
• 2:25:36
  made. You understand and appreciate
• 2:25:38
  the consequences of pleading guilty.
• 2:25:41
  And even though there's sufficient evidence from State's
• 2:25:44
  Exhibit 1 admitted here to find you guilty beyond the reasonable
• 2:25:48
  value of this case, I'm not going to do so as long as you
• 2:25:51
  follow those terms and conditions of probation in this
• 2:25:55
  deferred adjudicated. Probation.
• 2:25:58
  Order I am signing. You will be placed.
• 2:26:00
  On unadjudicated probation for five years, you do well, it will
• 2:26:04
  be shortened. There.
• 2:26:06
  Will be special terms and conditions of probation and you,
• 2:26:10
  among other things, will be placed on a mental health
• 2:26:12
  caseload and that helps you if you have any issues
• 2:26:17
  understanding the probation and what decisions you might make.
• 2:26:24
  You follow what the suggestions are and directives of the
• 2:26:28
  probation office. They will guide you.
• 2:26:31
  Their goal is to successfully bring.
• 2:26:35
  You. Through this probation to
• 2:26:36
  complete it successfully. So at the end, if it's just a
• 2:26:42
  year and 2/3, I will dismiss this case as well as I'm
• 2:26:47
  dismissing the other one right now.
• 2:26:50
  So you this is a win win. For you so.
• 2:26:53
  But it's your part. You got to run through the tape.
• 2:26:54
  We can't do it for you. You've got to complete the
• 2:26:57
  requirements. Are you going to do it?
• 2:26:59
  Well, Yes, Sir. I know you.
• 2:27:00
  Will all right and I have faith in you.
• 2:27:02
  Anything else? Judge.
• 2:27:03
  There will be also there was a misdemeanor trespass.
• 2:27:06
  That was all. Part of the same thing that
• 2:27:08
  would be dismissed as well and misdemeanor, all right.
• 2:27:12
  Do you understand? Do you understand there's some
• 2:27:16
  other case that's all right going to be dismissed and I'm
• 2:27:25
  going to dismiss this number 1986?
• 2:27:36
  Thank you. Thanks.
• 2:27:39
  See you. Thank you.
• 2:27:44
  All right, let's. Head back up to Michigan.
• 2:27:48
  Spend a little more time with Judge Simpson.
• 2:27:54
  Or. Not because he decided to cut
• 2:27:56
  his feed, because that's just the kind of guy he is.
• 2:27:59
  So what are our other options here?
• 2:28:02
  Let's, as I sound like an airline pad, let's today will be
• 2:28:08
  cruising at 32,000 feet. Let's go to Judge McNally.
• 2:28:17
  All right, so we have a charge of super drunk.
• 2:28:20
  We have a charge of PBT refusal. He's going to plead responsible
• 2:28:23
  to that charge. PBT refusal, they're going to
• 2:28:26
  dismiss the Super drunk. He's going to plead guilty to
• 2:28:28
  operating in that pair. True.
• 2:28:30
  That's correct. Is that what you want to do,
• 2:28:32
  Sir? Yes, Sir.
• 2:28:33
  If you do that, the possible penalties are up to 300 fines,
• 2:28:35
  93 days jail for him. He just had a case two years
• 2:28:41
  ago. And this is what's arriving for
• 2:28:44
  our changes. Or a surprising.
• 2:28:46
  But for all. Oh, it's going to be is that
• 2:28:49
  right? Yeah.
• 2:28:50
  So there were notations on the there were notations on the
• 2:28:52
  other plate. OK.
• 2:28:56
  And and I can let you know he does have his his sheep.
• 2:29:00
  He is is doing Silverline and he has already had an intake at 2
• 2:29:05
  sessions with a cost rate dollar rights.
• 2:29:09
  We went over the sobriety report checklist and he does want you.
• 2:29:14
  He understands I have to immobilize his vehicle today,
• 2:29:16
  right Today we we talked. About that, Your Honor.
• 2:29:20
  That's OK. So you if you plead guilty to
• 2:29:22
  operating woman pair the possible penalties are up to 300
• 2:29:25
  fines, 93 days jail, 360 hours community service court costs
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  are all of those four points will be added to your traffic
• 2:29:33
  record. Your license would be suspended
• 2:29:34
  or revoked in this case. Revoked.
• 2:29:37
  Your vehicle could be or might have to be immobilized.
• 2:29:40
  It will have to be immobilized. So I don't have to order that
• 2:29:43
  immobilize. Your license will be revoked
• 2:29:46
  effective in the next couple of days.
• 2:29:48
  Do you understand that? I can't hear you?
• 2:29:50
  Yes. Did you sign read and understand
• 2:29:54
  an advise or rights form here today?
• 2:29:56
  Yes, Sir. If you plead guilty, you'll be
• 2:29:58
  giving up all those rights and we're not going to have a
• 2:30:00
  hearing or a trial. Do you understand that?
• 2:30:02
  Yes, Sir. You have his a, a verification.
• 2:30:05
  Yes, I've seen him. That's all right.
• 2:30:07
  Yeah. Yes.
• 2:30:08
  John, has he been going three times a week?
• 2:30:10
  Yes, he's got. He's got 11 or 12 at this point.
• 2:30:12
  All right, so you understand everything that's going on here?
• 2:30:15
  Yes. You understand what?
• 2:30:16
  A commitment. That's righty cordials.
• 2:30:19
  Yes, I do. I've read all the paperwork.
• 2:30:21
  So you're going to have to come to status reviews every other
• 2:30:24
  week with me either at 7:30 or three on Wednesdays, 7:30 in the
• 2:30:30
  morning or three, 3:00 in the afternoon.
• 2:30:32
  You're going to have to meet with probation in the off weeks.
• 2:30:36
  You can be going to a a three times a week, going to
• 2:30:39
  treatment, going to an armed program, testing three times a
• 2:30:46
  week during your bond phase. It's your own expense.
• 2:30:48
  Once you get accepted into the program, we will pay for the
• 2:30:53
  testing and the sober link with our grant, so long as you test
• 2:30:58
  every time and you test negative every time.
• 2:31:00
  Do you understand that? All right, I just want you to be
• 2:31:04
  aware because there's no way you get through that program unless
• 2:31:08
  you're 1000% committed. And you know, one other thing I
• 2:31:11
  can say is that we, we know somebody mutually who was kind
• 2:31:16
  enough to talk to him. That has been.
• 2:31:18
  Through a program. In a different court, that's
• 2:31:21
  this right, according to Linkin Park.
• 2:31:22
  And he kind of gave him a heads up on what the expectations are
• 2:31:25
  and how the health program really helped his life.
• 2:31:28
  Good. All right, so you want to do
• 2:31:30
  this, You understand all your rights, understand the possible
• 2:31:33
  penalties to the charge. Operating more visibly impaired.
• 2:31:36
  How do you plead? Were you operating a motor
• 2:31:39
  vehicle on November 13th of 25 on Sibley near Racco in
• 2:31:42
  Brownstown at 8:25 PM? Yes, Sir.
• 2:31:45
  Prior to that, did you drink alcohol?
• 2:31:47
  And if so, what did you drink and how much did you drink?
• 2:31:49
  A few Jack and Cokes All right How many is a few four or five
• 2:31:57
  and was your ability to operate the motor vehicle in pair due to
• 2:32:01
  the consumption of the alcohol in what way where were you
• 2:32:03
  pulled over by the police we're. Speeding.
• 2:32:06
  Swerving. You think you?
• 2:32:07
  Were speeding and swerving the impossible?
• 2:32:10
  Yes, and you think? You were speeding and swerving
• 2:32:12
  at least in part because your alcohol consumption.
• 2:32:14
  Yes Sir. Was this an intoxilizer test or
• 2:32:17
  was it a blood drive? And you stipulate that it was
• 2:32:20
  accurate? That is a .199.
• 2:32:23
  Are you on probation or parole right now?
• 2:32:26
  Were you in front of me on the other case or Judge Hessen or
• 2:32:29
  somebody else? Anybody for anybody force you to
• 2:32:33
  plead guilty? No, Sir.
• 2:32:34
  All right. I'm going to accept your plea
• 2:32:36
  and then the charge of the PBT refusal, responsible or not
• 2:32:41
  responsible? I'll accept that plea.
• 2:32:44
  I'm going to dismiss the Super drunk drunk charge.
• 2:32:48
  I'll accept the plea impaired, accept the plea to APBT refusal
• 2:32:54
  and I'll refer you for a screening and assessment.
• 2:32:56
  I hope so. We're going to have sobriety
• 2:33:00
  court to on Wednesday next week. OK, so you'll have to make up
• 2:33:06
  your mind, whatever one is easier for you to attend.
• 2:33:09
  So this is sobriety court case. We're going to put it out,
• 2:33:12
  Heather, probably till. Let's see, let's go to like the
• 2:33:20
  week of the 18th of March percent.
• 2:33:25
  Yeah, you. Have March 18th and you want to
• 2:33:27
  do 830? Yes.
• 2:33:29
  That's perfect. March the 18th at 8:30.
• 2:33:32
  So you'll go fill out a question and you'll be interviewed.
• 2:33:34
  I'm ordering the mobilization of your vehicle.
• 2:33:37
  You're going to have to prepare that order, Heather.
• 2:33:38
  It's going to be for 90 days and you have to have all that done
• 2:33:43
  by February the 18th, one week from today.
• 2:33:46
  So you have to have the vehicle mobilized probation.
• 2:33:51
  We'll give you all your other bond conditions and we'll see
• 2:33:55
  you back here. Then I'll defer the sentencing
• 2:33:57
  by the way, on the on the civil infraction of March the 18th as
• 2:34:05
  well at 8:30. OK, thank you.
• 2:34:07
  I wish you well. I look forward to getting to
• 2:34:10
  know you and hope we can help you.
• 2:34:12
  Yes, Sir. Good luck.
• 2:34:14
  Thanks. Probation.
• 2:34:14
  First job. Thank you.
• 2:34:16
  Yes. And then he can get his notice
• 2:34:18
  or have a good day. Thanks.
• 2:34:23
  All right. Leslie Bosu George versus
• 2:34:31
  Cynthia Hernandez, 250-4922. Yeah, right next to him.
• 2:35:06
  You all right? Yeah.
• 2:35:08
  OK. Tell me your name.
• 2:35:10
  Your name. Your.
• 2:35:11
  Name Leslie. You 2 want to go talk about
• 2:35:23
  this? Before I start swearing people
• 2:35:25
  in, just relax. Let me just read something
• 2:35:46
  that's attached. You did actually draft something
• 2:36:05
  here. I don't know who drafted this
• 2:36:08
  for you, Miss Bossajor, but I could make a case that this is
• 2:36:17
  this is a security agreement. I'm
• 2:36:43
  going to do this a little different.
• 2:37:26
  Right now, the car is titled only in Miss Hernandez's name.
• 2:37:42
  Bring any documentation with you that tells me that you made the
• 2:37:46
  payments. Me.
• 2:37:50
  Yeah, you. Now, before we go on, I'm going
• 2:38:00
  to scare everybody to a note, and I'm going to try to do this
• 2:38:04
  a little different, but I want you to know you're on your Rd.
• 2:38:10
  Can I ask both of you to raise your right hands, please?
• 2:38:16
  Some, we swear, affirm under penalties of perjury that the
• 2:38:18
  testimony you'll give of these proceedings will be the whole
• 2:38:20
  true self you got. Miss Bosiger.
• 2:38:23
  Miss Hernandez. Let me.
• 2:38:25
  See the proof that you have that you made the payment.
• 2:38:28
  She attached to her complaint documentation that does spell
• 2:38:36
  out that you were to pay $3000 and there was a payment made on
• 2:38:45
  October the 2nd that you by the way, initial of $500 and again
• 2:38:56
  on November 5 of $500. Do you have any more
• 2:39:02
  documentation that indicates that you made any other payment?
• 2:39:15
  Let me see what you got. Whose rating is this?
• 2:39:34
  Sent, not writing. And then off of the.
• 2:39:37
  Back of the street where he goes, right?
• 2:39:39
  Oh, wait a minute. Those are Miles and then, ma'am.
• 2:39:51
  You're underoath on the 1st 2 payments.
• 2:39:56
  You guys both initially the $500 payment and then you just added
• 2:40:09
  2000 paid on September 25th that you wrote on the back of this.
• 2:40:15
  Right. That was the note I kept from
• 2:40:18
  the day that we put the car in my name, the day of the
• 2:40:21
  Secretary of State that I gave her money.
• 2:40:25
  That's when the title that I have went into my name.
• 2:40:34
  She kept notes. I kept notes.
• 2:40:38
  Well, I wrote a contract prescription.
• 2:40:54
  I want to know if that's your story and you're sticking to it
• 2:40:56
  because you're underoath. This is going to be easier than
• 2:41:00
  I thought. Are you telling me you paid her
• 2:41:05
  $2000 on September the 25th? Yes.
• 2:41:10
  How'd you pay the 22? Did she pay you 2000 on
• 2:41:13
  September 25th? Absolutely not.
• 2:41:18
  I didn't have the money. She had to bail herself out of
• 2:41:20
  jail. That's why I offered.
• 2:41:25
  Her my college. I'm up in front of my report.
• 2:41:36
  Show her that document. You ever see that page?
• 2:41:41
  No, I neither. Miss.
• 2:41:45
  Hernandez, who do you think that you are coming in here in front
• 2:41:48
  of? What put that?
• 2:41:50
  Back. Give me that back, please.
• 2:41:52
  Who? Do you?
• 2:41:54
  Think you are coming in here with notes on the back of that
• 2:41:56
  document expecting me to bet buy this and now you come in here.
• 2:42:05
  You come in here defiantly and you, no, I don't want to talk.
• 2:42:10
  I don't care if you talk. You over $2000 at 9.
• 2:42:14
  OK. How are we going to resolve
• 2:42:16
  this? I can talk.
• 2:42:20
  I'm sorry. I can talk, you said.
• 2:42:24
  I don't. Want to talk?
• 2:42:25
  I just want to be asked, you asked to be a part, but I will
• 2:42:29
  definitely answer it. You didn't pay.
• 2:42:31
  You didn't pay on September 25th at the Secretary of State and
• 2:42:37
  here September 30th is when you guys executed this other
• 2:42:42
  document. You signed it October too.
• 2:42:47
  That was when. I gave her $500 on October.
• 2:42:51
  Second, I don't want. To hear it, I don't want to hear
• 2:42:54
  it. I don't believe a word you're
• 2:42:55
  telling me. I don't believe a word you're
• 2:42:58
  telling me. There's nothing here that would
• 2:43:00
  add up to you paying $2000. So if you want to act like I
• 2:43:04
  can't add 2 and 3 without a calculator, just you continue
• 2:43:08
  doing that, You're late, Mr. Robertson.
• 2:43:15
  I wouldn't. Expect you to, Ma'am.
• 2:43:21
  You're in a courtroom. OK?
• 2:43:24
  I don't want to hear another lie.
• 2:43:29
  You're in a courtroom. There's nothing here that adds
• 2:43:32
  up to you paying that $2000 in cash.
• 2:43:34
  This this was dated October 2, by by you.
• 2:43:40
  This first. This first page is this.
• 2:43:47
  Your signature title is dated 22nd September.
• 2:44:01
  It goes to your you come up here, you come up here too.
• 2:44:16
  Signature is this. Why would you sign something
• 2:44:24
  October 2 saying that you agree to pay $500 per month beginning
• 2:44:34
  October 1 with the last payment due on March one?
• 2:44:39
  That would be 6 payments at 506 * 5 is 300.
• 2:44:43
  Now you come in with this cockamamie document on the back
• 2:44:46
  that you hand wrote and says you paid 2000 on September 25.
• 2:44:51
  That was the second document that was made-up and there's
• 2:44:56
  documents. Quit while you're.
• 2:44:58
  Behind it's 82 to nothing. There's 2 outs, 2 strikes and
• 2:45:01
  nobody on. Don't don't lie.
• 2:45:03
  Lie to me another second. I'm going to I'm going to really
• 2:45:06
  get agitated here. I told you not to lie to me when
• 2:45:10
  you came in here. I told you not to lie to me the
• 2:45:13
  other day. I sensed that you were going to
• 2:45:16
  come in here and lie to me. I kept an open mind and here it
• 2:45:20
  is in black and white. There's no judge in the country
• 2:45:25
  that's going to be convinced that you paid $2000 on September
• 2:45:30
  the 25. Ma'am, You just you just decided
• 2:45:38
  to fabricate a document here. That's all you did, ma'am.
• 2:45:47
  Talk to some other judge, some other place.
• 2:45:50
  You're going to figure out right now how you're going to pay your
• 2:45:52
  $2000. You guys though, is Posador.
• 2:46:03
  I don't know what to tell you. You just can't do this and trust
• 2:46:08
  people. Were you guys friends?
• 2:46:11
  Were you friends I dated? Her brother in high school and
• 2:46:14
  we were Facebook friends. And she contacted me via
• 2:46:18
  messenger on a social media ad and I should have never answered
• 2:46:21
  the phone. I really.
• 2:46:23
  Should have. I did all kinds of stuff for
• 2:46:25
  her. You're going to go figure out
• 2:46:27
  where you're getting. Hang on, you're going to go
• 2:46:29
  figure out where you're going to get the $2000 today.
• 2:46:32
  Then everybody will be happy. So sit in the back, figure out
• 2:46:37
  how you're coming up with $2000 today.
• 2:46:41
  Well, you had enough gumption to come in here and lie to me.
• 2:46:45
  I'm not. Lying to you?
• 2:46:46
  You're. Lying to me, man.
• 2:46:48
  I see that title. That's what I You're lying to
• 2:46:55
  me. There's no way you signed a
• 2:47:00
  document. That's the one I just showed
• 2:47:03
  you. It's said that you were going to
• 2:47:06
  pay $500 payment starting October 1 and you've made a
• 2:47:12
  payment on October the 2nd that you both initialed saying you
• 2:47:17
  paid 500, then you paid another 500 on November 5.
• 2:47:21
  Then it's blank. If you have.
• 2:47:24
  Paid on October 5, October 2 and N5.
• 2:47:27
  The car would have been paid off.
• 2:47:30
  There's no indication her initialing anything.
• 2:47:33
  This is what happens when things are done in cash.
• 2:47:35
  Ma'am. Ma'am.
• 2:47:36
  Ma'am. Ma'am.
• 2:47:37
  I'm making my ruling. And I'm telling you, I don't
• 2:47:41
  know what I'm going to do right now.
• 2:47:43
  I'm going forward. You're not going to come into
• 2:47:47
  this courtroom in line. Will you just stick Underoath.
• 2:47:53
  That's perjury. Perjury.
• 2:47:59
  That's one of the easiest calls I've had in the last 17 years.
• 2:48:04
  Maybe 31 1/2 you 2, you figure out who you're going to call to
• 2:48:08
  come and get the money to pay this lead right now, and then
• 2:48:14
  we're going to go from there. I'm going on to another case
• 2:48:19
  now. I could make you transfer the
• 2:48:20
  title over to her because you violated the terms of this
• 2:48:24
  purported security agreement, but I don't think that's fair
• 2:48:29
  with her. To her.
• 2:48:31
  You're going to figure out how you're coming up the 2 grand,
• 2:48:34
  but you're not going to come in here and lie to me.
• 2:48:36
  Jeremy Christian. Just have a seat, you 2.
• 2:48:38
  Jeremy Christian. All right.
• 2:48:40
  Real quick, we're going to continue to run with Judge
• 2:48:42
  McNally, but just an FYI, 4th hour today will be more court.
• 2:48:46
  I'll talk more about that later, but more court and flirtily.
• 2:48:49
  You're asking who Michael Groff is.
• 2:48:51
  Michael is quite honestly the backbone of what we do here.
• 2:48:55
  He is a panelist on sidebar. He is a Co host of mine on In
• 2:49:01
  the Blind. I know that some links have been
• 2:49:03
  dropped for that. That's a separate show on a
• 2:49:05
  separate channel that we do. And he is the guest host here.
• 2:49:09
  When I can't do this show, Michael's the best.
• 2:49:12
  So certainly good to know him. Anyway, so let's ride some more
• 2:49:14
  with Judge McNally, 40. 6 to Lowe's correct?
• 2:49:19
  Yes. Sir.
• 2:49:19
  And is that? Correct, Mr. Granada?
• 2:49:22
  Yes, Your Honor, maybe plead to this possible penalties there up
• 2:49:25
  to 500 fines, 90 days jail costs for all those.
• 2:49:28
  Do you understand that? Yes.
• 2:49:30
  You are pretty soon Dennison. You need to wear those
• 2:49:33
  sunglasses. Do you have some eye issues?
• 2:49:37
  Is it an eye issue or you just feel like wearing something?
• 2:49:44
  If you plead guilty, you're giving up your right to a trial.
• 2:49:47
  You're giving up your right to a mean silent.
• 2:49:49
  You're giving up your right to question their witnesses at a
• 2:49:51
  trial. You're giving up your right to
• 2:49:52
  bring in your own witnesses to use the subpoena powers the
• 2:49:55
  board to bring in those witnesses, and a testifier
• 2:49:57
  remains silent. If you remain silent, that
• 2:49:59
  silence would not be held against you.
• 2:50:02
  By pleading guilty, you're giving up all those rights and
• 2:50:04
  we won't have a trial. To understand that you agree to
• 2:50:07
  plead guilty to this charge. You understand the possible
• 2:50:10
  penalties and that along with it, you're going to pay $11146,
• 2:50:14
  two lows through the court in restitution to the charged
• 2:50:18
  disorderly conduct. How do you plead?
• 2:50:23
  Were you at 21,000 W Road at Lowe's May 31 at 25 in
• 2:50:26
  Woodhaven? And did you commit the offense
• 2:50:31
  of retail fraud by stealing property that was valued at
• 2:50:36
  $11146 that was not recovered? What kind of property was there
• 2:50:41
  that? Was frankly.
• 2:50:45
  I know, but was it toothbrushes? Was it blown?
• 2:50:47
  What was it? I mean, come on, I know it was
• 2:50:50
  Lowe's property. What kind of lawn?
• 2:50:53
  You put lawn mowers lower. What else?
• 2:51:01
  And you walk past the register somehow without paying for those
• 2:51:03
  items with the intent to deprive them of that property.
• 2:51:08
  Are you on probation or parole? For what?
• 2:51:13
  You understand by pleading were you on probation or parole on
• 2:51:17
  May of in on May 31 of 25? And that's for CCW.
• 2:51:25
  You understand by pleading guilty this would be deemed a
• 2:51:27
  violation of that probation or parole and that parole or
• 2:51:31
  probation could be revoked as the case may be and you could be
• 2:51:34
  incarcerated. You still wish to plead guilty.
• 2:51:39
  Anybody forced you to plead guilty please accept it.
• 2:51:43
  Did you guys ever get that? Except you pleaded disorderly
• 2:51:45
  conduct. Dismiss the retail fraud order a
• 2:51:49
  pre sentence report. Was there any indication Council
• 2:51:52
  did I ask your appearance since we started on this?
• 2:51:55
  OK. Was there any indication of
• 2:51:57
  alcohol or drug use or anything? I'm going to order a pre
• 2:52:00
  sentence report in a sentencing date was a codefending that was
• 2:52:08
  not I see All right, give me a set Z date.
• 2:52:14
  Heather, we're when I'm going to mark.
• 2:52:16
  We're going to make sure this stays on my docket on my docket
• 2:52:20
  day. This is an off day.
• 2:52:21
  So what would that be like March the second or something?
• 2:52:24
  Yeah, March. 4th Judge, March 4th.
• 2:52:26
  And we'll do this at 8. That will be in court March 4th
• 2:52:29
  as well, OK? March 4th at 8:30 AM OK, You're
• 2:52:33
  going to go down the hall and get your notice.
• 2:52:35
  Then you're going over to probation where you'll fill out
• 2:52:38
  a question. You're going to be interviewed.
• 2:52:39
  OK. Wish you well.
• 2:52:41
  Good luck, Mr. Robertson. I'll call you tonight.
• 2:52:44
  Thank you. The the lady found nice things
• 2:52:49
  back with some paperwork that they said you noticed.
• 2:52:51
  Oh, where's that? He did put.
• 2:52:53
  It was found online judge that she did pay and she has a
• 2:52:56
  receipt from Joni Files. Or do I have the files?
• 2:52:59
  Where's the files you have? Them Judge.
• 2:53:02
  You recall That's right. Oh, here it is here.
• 2:53:05
  Come on up here, ma'am. Call the brush.
• 2:53:07
  Call brownstone. Mean there's brown.
• 2:53:08
  Is this my brownstone day? It is good.
• 2:53:12
  All right, I'm going to help you.
• 2:53:14
  Next time you're going to be a little bit more diligent.
• 2:53:17
  OK? All right, let's do this.
• 2:53:20
  Call in. So just to be clear, she paid
• 2:53:26
  25-B82558IN full, right? 198 dollars.
• 2:53:30
  Is that true, Heather? Correct.
• 2:53:32
  Judge And there should be a receipt in the paperwork there
• 2:53:34
  that if she handed it to you or she has it.
• 2:53:39
  Good morning. How are you your appearance?
• 2:53:44
  So. Again, she showed up.
• 2:53:47
  This is a show 'cause she wasn't here.
• 2:53:50
  Failure to rental, failure to rental register rental property.
• 2:53:55
  The default was entered, citation was issued back in
• 2:54:04
  April, April 1125. She paid it last night.
• 2:54:08
  You have a misdemeanor here. I was telling her she had to go
• 2:54:11
  get a lawyer because she's not a lawyer and it's a corporation,
• 2:54:14
  as you know, and it's a misdemeanor, right?
• 2:54:16
  We spoke yesterday about that. You want to just dismiss this
• 2:54:20
  now? Oh, they're not I I sent to.
• 2:54:28
  The. Ordinance officer John
• 2:54:30
  inspection report that they even spent for the reinspection
• 2:54:34
  tomorrow right. So we need there be.
• 2:54:35
  Inspection to take place before they can't.
• 2:54:38
  OK, good enough. This.
• 2:54:40
  Well, wait a minute. I can't do anything more than
• 2:54:43
  this is what I'm going to do. How long will it take her to do
• 2:54:46
  everything the Township needs her to do?
• 2:54:48
  How? If she passes inspection.
• 2:54:51
  Well, I know, but when's the inspection going to take?
• 2:54:53
  Good. We're going to reschedule this
• 2:54:55
  to February 18th. She's going to need ma'am.
• 2:54:59
  You're going to need to hire a lawyer.
• 2:55:02
  Now, if they you pass inspection and you're willing to dismiss
• 2:55:07
  beforehand, that's fine. This is Judge Hessen's case.
• 2:55:10
  The rental, the civil infraction was my case.
• 2:55:13
  That's taken care of. So this going to be in front of
• 2:55:15
  Judge Hessen next week. You're going to go down the hall
• 2:55:18
  and get your notice. If you pass inspection tomorrow,
• 2:55:21
  talk to Miss Foley Carter. Maybe she'll dismiss it.
• 2:55:24
  Otherwise, you have to have a lawyer.
• 2:55:25
  OK. All right.
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  Thank you, TCF. Live on Wednesday.
• 2:55:33
  Good having you all here, viewers around the world.
• 2:55:37
  I hope you're all having a good day.
• 2:55:38
  So again, 4th hour, we're just going to do more court today.
• 2:55:42
  You know, we started the 4th hour a few weeks ago.
• 2:55:44
  It continues to be an evolution missus.
• 2:55:47
  TCF and I are actually planning out some strategies to make it a
• 2:55:51
  little more regimented. But I told you going in, it was
• 2:55:53
  going to be a little bit of an experiment.
• 2:55:55
  But for today, quite honestly, I haven't seen a whole ton of
• 2:56:00
  court cases where I would want to pontificate for hours upon
• 2:56:04
  hours upon. And as well, there's not a whole
• 2:56:08
  lot of court related news that has my attention at the moment
• 2:56:12
  other than the Nancy Guthrie disappearance.
• 2:56:15
  But that's kind of in limbo at the moment.
• 2:56:19
  There's just a lot of weird going on, but not a lot of weird
• 2:56:21
  that's easy to discuss. So we're going to continue with
• 2:56:24
  court. Let's stay in Michigan.
• 2:56:30
  Let's go to judge mom. Move from dad to mom.
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  OK, perfect. Thank you.
• 2:56:34
  I'm just adding that under the ROI here, Sir.
• 2:56:36
  Sir, your name for the record, please, I'll be.
• 2:56:38
  Sending Gutierrez. All right.
• 2:56:39
  Thank. You.
• 2:56:40
  Is it Gutierrez? Rizzo.
• 2:56:43
  OK. OK.
• 2:56:48
  And today is the date scheduled for the arraignment pretrial in
• 2:56:51
  this matter and Council, as to the arraignment, you're wanting
• 2:56:53
  to waive the formal reading? The court will.
• 2:56:57
  Waive the formal reading. Enter a plea of not guilty for
• 2:56:59
  purposes of the arraignment and then as to the pretrial council.
• 2:57:04
  Judge WE. Did have some?
• 2:57:05
  Discussions and they were positive at this time, but I'd
• 2:57:08
  like to take a look at the discovery of come back in for
• 2:57:12
  more pretrial. The court, the court has signed
• 2:57:18
  the discovery order. Thank you.
• 2:57:19
  Judge. And we can adjourn this to
• 2:57:25
  February 25th. Does that work for you, Council?
• 2:57:31
  Local service. Let me go to the chef please.
• 2:57:33
  We'll give you the. Time here in the afternoon.
• 2:57:36
  Prior year round, it'll be in the.
• 2:57:37
  Afternoon not gonna be the time here in just one moment.
• 2:57:40
  OK, that's. Great afternoon, 140. 14545.
• 2:57:46
  OK. And Council as to fine, but just
• 2:57:50
  one moment, I'm told that if we need to do copies, we can do the
• 2:57:54
  copies and probation with your printers on a different network.
• 2:57:58
  I don't know if this one here is working.
• 2:58:00
  I don't believe so you can try it.
• 2:58:01
  But because of everything's down because the printer and
• 2:58:07
  probation is a different network, I don't know.
• 2:58:11
  OK. And so Council as to bond judge.
• 2:58:15
  He turned himself in. He's.
• 2:58:17
  Working. I've never had a case like this.
• 2:58:19
  Before I asked court to consider personal bond.
• 2:58:24
  Sir, where do you work constructions?
• 2:58:28
  Major contracting. That's the name of the company.
• 2:58:31
  Yes, have you ever? Failed to appear in court for
• 2:58:38
  any reason. Sir, are you currently out on
• 2:58:42
  bond in any other jurisdiction? Yeah, these are the.
• 2:58:45
  Cases. Yeah.
• 2:58:49
  You're not on probation of parole anywhere.
• 2:58:53
  Is there a test right now, Sir? What's in your system?
• 2:59:01
  When's the last time you consumed any alcohol?
• 2:59:04
  That that day that the incident happened, OK.
• 2:59:16
  Levels that are alleged are pretty high, Sir.
• 2:59:25
  The court. Wants to ensure that you're not
• 2:59:27
  going to, that you're going to reappear in court and you're
• 2:59:30
  going to follow the conditions of this court.
• 2:59:33
  The court's going to order your cash bond to continue by your
• 2:59:38
  counsel. Counsel.
• 2:59:39
  Your client did post a $500 bond.
• 2:59:42
  No, that's OK. And the court's also going to
• 2:59:48
  order you not to possess or consume any alcohol or drugs
• 2:59:50
  unless prescribed. And you are to participate in
• 2:59:53
  random testing. You're going to go over to
• 2:59:56
  probation, We're going to see a copy of the bond conditions and
• 3:00:00
  you're also going to get set up with your random testing
• 3:00:02
  council. If you can also go to probation,
• 3:00:04
  you can make a copy of your discovery order.
• 3:00:06
  OK, That's where all the copies have to be made today and we'll
• 3:00:09
  see you back on the 25th. Thank you.
• 3:00:11
  Judge, thank you. Have a good day, have a good
• 3:00:13
  morning. You're on the record in the
• 3:00:17
  matter of the of Erica Bond, 23910.
• 3:00:21
  A that's right, Corey Westmoreland, period.
• 3:00:25
  On behalf of this bond, this bond, the record, Erica Bond,
• 3:00:31
  good morning. Today is the date scheduled for
• 3:00:33
  the show cause hearing. Actually, it's going to be an
• 3:00:39
  adjourned show cause because you had agreed to pay $100 per month
• 3:00:44
  beginning October 16th. Did you pay those I.
• 3:00:51
  Paid one payment since the court date but.
• 3:00:57
  I. Have recently lost my job.
• 3:01:01
  And. Then having some problems at
• 3:01:03
  home, my plates first in my car. OK, ma'am.
• 3:01:06
  Did you contact the court at any point to let the court know that
• 3:01:10
  you would like to amend your payment plan?
• 3:01:15
  No. Because actually I wanted to
• 3:01:17
  come in front of you and talk to you about maybe getting some
• 3:01:22
  community. Community.
• 3:01:23
  Service trying to work something out with you about that.
• 3:01:28
  Ma'am, what's the date that you made your payment?
• 3:01:32
  November I. Believe OK, so December, January
• 3:01:37
  and not February that's three months, three months of no
• 3:01:40
  communication by you to request a different type of payment
• 3:01:47
  agreement. You know that communication is
• 3:01:51
  the best way to stop getting in trouble I.
• 3:01:54
  Know ma'am, I know. I just have had a lot of stuff
• 3:01:57
  going on and well, ma'am. I understand, however, had you
• 3:02:00
  made the had you paid the fines and costs in 2023 and 24 when
• 3:02:04
  they were all due, then you wouldn't have that This also on
• 3:02:08
  your list of things that going on and honestly I had a.
• 3:02:12
  Question if I could ask you a question.
• 3:02:15
  I've been applying for jobs like crazy.
• 3:02:18
  I've been getting interviews and I have.
• 3:02:22
  Been hired. But when I go.
• 3:02:24
  To the background shop, they call me and tell me that they
• 3:02:29
  aren't able to hire me. Is there any way I can go about
• 3:02:32
  getting like the things that were dismissed and I wasn't
• 3:02:36
  charged for off my record? So it's.
• 3:02:39
  Easier. For me to find a job.
• 3:02:41
  Well, you all just communicate with your attorney on that
• 3:02:43
  because there is a way that there's certain motions that can
• 3:02:46
  be filed on those cases, but I don't know, but that's something
• 3:02:50
  that your attorney would have to communicate with you on.
• 3:02:52
  OK. OK, ma'am.
• 3:02:59
  So how are you supporting yourself otherwise?
• 3:03:03
  Actually I was door dashing but my car is going down a couple
• 3:03:08
  weeks ago so I tried to get it fixed, paid for it to get fixed
• 3:03:12
  and they weren't able to fix it so.
• 3:03:15
  I'm like energy. Outright.
• 3:03:24
  Well, ma'am, Your honor, is a community service an option for
• 3:03:34
  her? You know if I know some.
• 3:03:37
  Reports for every hour they do they.
• 3:03:40
  Are able to. Knock off 15 or. $20.
• 3:03:42
  An hour worth of community service.
• 3:03:44
  I mean not not the whole thing. But.
• 3:03:46
  At least put a dent in it. Well, here's.
• 3:03:56
  The concern of the court has this.
• 3:03:59
  There is a total of $16125.00 due in owing when your client
• 3:04:04
  was sentenced June of 2023. And if I am doing the math
• 3:04:09
  correctly, your client didn't even make one payment.
• 3:04:12
  No, I'm sorry. She made a couple payments.
• 3:04:17
  Emily, what does it show her last payment was other than the
• 3:04:20
  $100 in November. That's the one.
• 3:04:30
  I see that she had a Taj. What's that?
• 3:04:33
  That's all with. Me if I see you as much so
• 3:04:40
  before that was gone. Oh.
• 3:04:43
  OK, So the bond was applied, Mr. Caldwell that posted it agreed
• 3:04:49
  to apply the bond and your client didn't make one payment
• 3:04:55
  while she was on probation? That 1 then a probation.
• 3:05:03
  Violation. She was sentenced to court.
• 3:05:07
  Ordered your. Client to serve 20 days, revoked
• 3:05:09
  probation. She was report December 12th,
• 3:05:13
  she did not report and the court had issued a Warner.
• 3:05:16
  Then April 3rd of 24 she was in custody and she served 20 days,
• 3:05:20
  20 days from the probation violations.
• 3:05:25
  And so then a year and a half later, she's in court on the
• 3:05:29
  show 'cause she pays one payment and doesn't do, doesn't
• 3:05:33
  communicate, doesn't make any other payments or otherwise.
• 3:05:37
  So I'm not very inclined to grant your client any community
• 3:05:42
  service in lieu finds the cost because your client hasn't
• 3:05:46
  really done much by way of accountability in this matter.
• 3:05:59
  When's the last time you worked? It was in September, ma'am.
• 3:06:06
  How are you supporting yourself other than DoorDash?
• 3:06:09
  I understand you were doing DoorDash and then your car broke
• 3:06:11
  and so. I've been applying, I've got
• 3:06:15
  many interviews, I've went to the interviews, got the jobs and
• 3:06:19
  they've called me back after my background check.
• 3:06:22
  I've passed the drum pass, passed all their stuff.
• 3:06:25
  They call me back and say the background check did not come
• 3:06:27
  back, that they cannot proceed with all.
• 3:06:30
  OK. But I also think, ma'am, that
• 3:06:32
  there are other matters that you have pled guilty to that weren't
• 3:06:36
  dismissed. So that is possible that that's
• 3:06:38
  affecting. It's honestly the the job told
• 3:06:43
  me that it's the violent things with Peyton and my ex that is
• 3:06:50
  holding me back from those jobs. And those are matters that were
• 3:06:53
  dismissed. Then there's motions that can be
• 3:06:56
  filed. So you'll have to communicate
• 3:06:58
  with your attorney about that in the meantime, ma'am.
• 3:07:07
  The only. Reason why I asked for the.
• 3:07:11
  The volunteer. Work is because I'm trying to
• 3:07:14
  get my life together and I've been doing good.
• 3:07:17
  I've been getting huge jobs but can't be hired because of my
• 3:07:21
  tasks and I'm trying to do something.
• 3:07:25
  I'm really trying to do that. And I.
• 3:07:28
  Have time now I can volunteer even at the Salvation Army or
• 3:07:32
  where other you guys call me to. Anywhere I can volunteer, I have
• 3:07:37
  talked, you know, right now. But you know, you can contact
• 3:07:46
  the court and you didn't do so for three months.
• 3:07:52
  You could have sent an e-mail requesting community service.
• 3:07:56
  Oh, I didn't. Know that you could even do
• 3:07:58
  that. I thought that I would just have
• 3:08:00
  to call up here and ask for a coordinate.
• 3:08:03
  No could have asked for an alternative payment plan.
• 3:08:06
  Oh, OK. Yeah, see I.
• 3:08:07
  Wasn't aware of that at all. I should.
• 3:08:09
  Have called. Or emailed e-mail is a very
• 3:08:14
  efficient way of communicating and getting responses.
• 3:08:33
  We're going to adjourn this matter.
• 3:08:45
  To March 25th and see where. You're at Ma'am does 830 where
• 3:08:57
  Kelly? Yes, ma'am, there.
• 3:09:05
  Are there are many places that hire individuals with matters on
• 3:09:10
  their criminal history so you should look and see where those
• 3:09:22
  are. I'm also going to order you to
• 3:09:24
  submit. Thirty job.
• 3:09:26
  Applications per week and submit proof by Friday each week.
• 3:09:41
  Obviously not this Friday, because that's in 2 days.
• 3:09:45
  OK, All right, we'll. See you back.
• 3:09:49
  Thank you. Have a good day episode. 229
• 3:09:53
  today of TCF live again. Great to have you all here with
• 3:09:57
  me. No better way to spend the day
• 3:09:58
  than with you guys. The.
• 3:10:01
  Louisiana Parole Board. We, our remote site is Allen
• 3:10:06
  Correctional Facility. I really like that background
• 3:10:08
  there Warden. It looks good.
• 3:10:11
  I'm going to allow the staff there at Allen to introduce
• 3:10:14
  yourself well. Good morning, everybody.
• 3:10:18
  I am a sister. Ward.
• 3:10:20
  Jessie Bellamy, thank you and ma'am Jessica.
• 3:10:25
  Manual classifications. Great.
• 3:10:28
  Thank you. Today we're having a parole
• 3:10:31
  hearing with the offender. Please state your name and your
• 3:10:34
  DSC number for the record. Sherman, 500129 and Mr. Sherman.
• 3:10:42
  Sherman. Yes, ma'am.
• 3:10:44
  Sherman. OK.
• 3:10:45
  I'm going to read some identifying information from the
• 3:10:48
  record and then we'll be asking you some questions.
• 3:10:51
  We also have some people here in support and we also have some
• 3:10:56
  people here in the composition. OK, come on.
• 3:11:00
  Sir, I find. That you're a first class
• 3:11:02
  offender? That you're currently serving a
• 3:11:04
  25 year sentence for forcible rate.
• 3:11:06
  You have a parole eligibility date 172026.
• 3:11:10
  You're not eligible for good time release, but you have a
• 3:11:13
  full term date of 10/7/2029. Any.
• 3:11:20
  Conflict with that. OK, I'd like.
• 3:11:27
  To be before we begin hearing from other people, I'm going to
• 3:11:31
  hear from you. I want to ask you, could you
• 3:11:35
  explain why you were incarcerated and why we should
• 3:11:38
  consider early release at this time?
• 3:11:45
  1st 1st I want to say I take full accountability of my
• 3:11:50
  actions. There's no excuse for what I did
• 3:11:54
  and what led me to be incarcerated is I made my
• 3:12:00
  daughter perform oral sexual battery, I mean oral sexual act
• 3:12:04
  on me. While we was.
• 3:12:05
  Riding around in my car. That was just something that.
• 3:12:13
  Should have never happened. Giving.
• 3:12:18
  Me a chance to early release. I think I rehabilitated myself
• 3:12:26
  and seek the problem treatment, which is risk management.
• 3:12:31
  They gave me the knowledge and understanding of the 27 risk
• 3:12:35
  factors that I had no knowledge of before I came to prison,
• 3:12:40
  didn't know how to seek help. Well, let me let me say it like
• 3:12:43
  this. I was my pride got in the way
• 3:12:45
  because I didn't want to ask for help because I was scared.
• 3:12:49
  But now that I know it's OK to ask for help and I understand
• 3:12:55
  the action that that. I've heard many.
• 3:12:58
  People, my daughter. And my.
• 3:13:01
  Family and I've just. Just want to say I.
• 3:13:08
  Apologize for my action. So did you elaborate on what you
• 3:13:16
  have done to prepare yourself for release?
• 3:13:21
  Yes ma'am, I got my GD. I took a.
• 3:13:29
  Thinking for a change which changed where I think and that
• 3:13:33
  was that was like one of my biggest thing when I was out
• 3:13:36
  there before I came across rated I would never think before I act
• 3:13:41
  now that I have taken this class, it really helped me
• 3:13:44
  realize every action I mean everything you do is a reaction
• 3:13:49
  so. You want to think.
• 3:13:51
  Things through before you act. And and I learned.
• 3:13:55
  How to control my anger by taking cage and rage.
• 3:14:00
  And you can show me. That basically when you're angry
• 3:14:05
  and you, you ain't control of that is that's how you choose to
• 3:14:10
  control that anger. And the main thing, I took the
• 3:14:17
  victim impact class and that just really opened my eyes
• 3:14:23
  because it made me see from the point of view of a victim.
• 3:14:29
  And when I seen the things that they have to go through the
• 3:14:33
  trauma, this is not just one episode, it's lifetime they have
• 3:14:38
  to deal with. And it just made me realize the
• 3:14:42
  pain that I have caused. And I took many.
• 3:14:48
  I seek the spiritual classes. I went to.
• 3:14:53
  Our year in Bible boot camp to learn about God I know you have
• 3:14:58
  to change your heart and I learned God is the way I'm just.
• 3:15:09
  I took many more classes like NCER to give myself a chance in
• 3:15:16
  society to be productive on society and.
• 3:15:23
  So I've been. Working in prison enterprise for
• 3:15:25
  like 8 years. They helped me.
• 3:15:28
  With my warehouse skills to be able to be productive about
• 3:15:32
  release. And I.
• 3:15:34
  Just look at life. Totally clear.
• 3:15:36
  Now I'm just. When I first.
• 3:15:38
  Came to live before I came to prison.
• 3:15:41
  I didn't have no education, no hope.
• 3:15:48
  And then this, this experience has like, and it's changed the
• 3:15:52
  way I look at life. Thank you, Sister Warden.
• 3:15:58
  Would you like to make a statement about this offender,
• 3:16:01
  since he's been, I think, with y'all for quite some time?
• 3:16:04
  Yeah. He had and he had done a good
• 3:16:08
  job on taking, taking care of all his program, things like
• 3:16:14
  that. So he had done good on that part
• 3:16:20
  also with his conduct. I think it.
• 3:16:23
  Was two write ups and last one was in 2009 is.
• 3:16:27
  That correct? Just want.
• 3:16:30
  To make sure my notes were correct at this time, we'll go
• 3:16:38
  ahead and hear from your aunt Elizabeth Sherman, who would
• 3:16:49
  like to speak if you'll approach the podium.
• 3:16:54
  And then just. Direct your comments to the
• 3:16:57
  panel. Say good also.
• 3:17:07
  I'm the mother. Because his.
• 3:17:11
  Mother got killed 20. Some years ago I had to.
• 3:17:15
  Be the one to step in and bring some.
• 3:17:16
  Both My mother, she just turned to a different person.
• 3:17:22
  I guess you all know that this little.
• 3:17:24
  Mosquito. Pretty brutal.
• 3:17:25
  Guy and. It was.
• 3:17:27
  Hard on me because I was working as a, say, a mother myself,
• 3:17:32
  trying to raise these two kids with my mother.
• 3:17:36
  And they all. Would be a kid.
• 3:17:39
  In school and I. Couldn't make a statement by no
• 3:17:42
  education but he was going to school.
• 3:17:45
  And I think he went all the way. Up to the I'm going to say 7th.
• 3:17:48
  Grade. Day grade and as he got older he
• 3:17:52
  started acting out and I tried to be there for him but I like I
• 3:17:57
  said same mother working 11 to 7.
• 3:18:00
  I work night get off in the morning and I always tell my mom
• 3:18:03
  how to make sure they get to school and it's the bus I'm
• 3:18:06
  taking her to school And as he getting 7th grade I know he made
• 3:18:10
  a change. Like I say, I couldn't be there
• 3:18:14
  though. They didn't be there pulling
• 3:18:16
  down and he was acting out at home.
• 3:18:20
  I would get off of work and go. Home and to my mom and try to
• 3:18:23
  get him. Straight she always listened to
• 3:18:25
  me that was, you know, disrespect me or nothing like
• 3:18:29
  that. And he almost a good child.
• 3:18:32
  He never hang with a bag. Now he was a little alone and he
• 3:18:35
  stayed to himself. But in my mind I was thinking
• 3:18:39
  about what? Is going on when he get some
• 3:18:41
  money but. He was saying to you.
• 3:18:43
  So. So he really didn't remember too
• 3:18:45
  much about the death, and as he got old and he got all I had to
• 3:18:50
  worry, you know how that goes with his little friend.
• 3:18:53
  And I never know him to do no bad things.
• 3:18:56
  He didn't rob, he didn't do anything bad for this to come up
• 3:19:02
  it really. Touched me.
• 3:19:05
  It really, it really broke us back and I feel like.
• 3:19:11
  A lot of that come from what happened with this.
• 3:19:19
  But I went on, there's no excuse.
• 3:19:21
  For what he. Did I know what a state?
• 3:19:23
  Of mind he was in. But he didn't.
• 3:19:29
  I never know how to do any drugs.
• 3:19:31
  I think it was brought up that he was on drug or he did drugs.
• 3:19:38
  I can't remember because I was in trouble.
• 3:19:41
  You know when you're family, like I say, he was a good child.
• 3:19:46
  He respect my mother and he also respected me.
• 3:19:50
  And then we have a problem. My mom let him.
• 3:19:55
  But this to come up, it really did touched me.
• 3:19:59
  I couldn't believe you myself. Thank you.
• 3:20:04
  Appreciate your comments. You have something to say about
• 3:20:11
  now. OK, now.
• 3:20:15
  I think he have. Learned.
• 3:20:16
  His I heard him say that he learned.
• 3:20:21
  To say he. Know he's done wrong.
• 3:20:24
  There's no excuse. For what he does and I'm not
• 3:20:26
  called again. Give him no excuse but what he.
• 3:20:30
  Did was wrong? I have talked to him over and
• 3:20:33
  over and he have told me and this I mean.
• 3:20:36
  I know I. Hurt you and I hurt my grandma,
• 3:20:39
  I say. And your sister?
• 3:20:40
  Also. But they're very close.
• 3:20:45
  He never woke for nothing and he in prison, we took care of me
• 3:20:49
  and the president camp all gave us a good report time.
• 3:20:52
  He studied and did right in prison while he was down over
• 3:20:55
  the years. And he said once I get out, he
• 3:21:00
  made her prom and also prompted me.
• 3:21:03
  He said I'm a good right. Well, thank you.
• 3:21:10
  We're going to hear now from Tina Batiste, your.
• 3:21:13
  Sister so sorry, sorry baby, I have emotional.
• 3:21:28
  I was going. To say if we understand that so
• 3:21:30
  just relax and speak from your heart to us about what you need
• 3:21:34
  to try absolutely 1st and. Foremost, thank you guys.
• 3:21:40
  For having my brother to have this opportunity.
• 3:21:44
  I wrote down a couple of dates. I do employee relations for a
• 3:21:47
  living, so I'm going to train not to cry here.
• 3:21:50
  And I'm crying and I'm shaking and I'm that's not what I'm
• 3:21:54
  trying to do, so I'm going to. Rely.
• 3:21:57
  On my training and my skills. And I'm going to go.
• 3:22:01
  Very high level and get to the point first and foremost. 19. 80
• 3:22:06
  So I'm going to throw some dates out there.
• 3:22:08
  My brother was born in 1980. I was 6 and all I.
• 3:22:13
  Knew is I was going to have a brother and my mom I was
• 3:22:17
  probably. Going to the first.
• 3:22:18
  Grade and she said I didn't have a brother.
• 3:22:20
  It was the. Summer I was out of school and
• 3:22:23
  and this little big head gentleman popped up and my mom
• 3:22:27
  said. This is your brother and you got
• 3:22:30
  to take care of them. And I'm like no.
• 3:22:33
  I don't because I'm the golden child and I've always.
• 3:22:37
  Been a golden. Child but it was something
• 3:22:39
  special about my little brother and.
• 3:22:43
  I'm going to. Fast forward through some gates.
• 3:22:45
  My childhood when my mom, our mom was alive, my brother played
• 3:22:51
  outside. Just an average southern kind of
• 3:22:54
  lifestyle outside. Got Derby alive.
• 3:22:57
  We had friends. We had good food and you knew.
• 3:23:01
  One thing our mom loved us, my mom would affectionately call
• 3:23:05
  him a little man, and he was our little man.
• 3:23:09
  I called him a boy boy, always happy, always running and full
• 3:23:14
  of life. So that's how I remember my
• 3:23:17
  brother. And one thing that I was saying,
• 3:23:20
  as we say in the 1980s, for just a couple seconds more, my
• 3:23:25
  brother always. Looked up to me and I didn't
• 3:23:29
  understand. Why?
• 3:23:30
  But I knew. He looked up.
• 3:23:32
  To me, like I said, I was the golden.
• 3:23:35
  Child, I went. Back very proudly, even to this
• 3:23:38
  day. And it's just something about
• 3:23:40
  the way he always appreciated me.
• 3:23:43
  He always told me the truth. He was a toy that was broken.
• 3:23:47
  And I'm like, could you do this? Yeah.
• 3:23:49
  I did it so keep. That in mind, my brother,
• 3:23:53
  always. Told me the truth.
• 3:23:55
  So. As time moves forward,
• 3:23:57
  unfortunately we lost her mom. 1989 February 14th.
• 3:24:02
  I remember it was a. Tuesday.
• 3:24:04
  I. Remember the time I was asleep
• 3:24:07
  and heard all this commotion outside of my grandmother's
• 3:24:10
  house? And that was.
• 3:24:13
  The day my brother and our world changed.
• 3:24:16
  And what I say about our world change because love, my mom, my
• 3:24:23
  grandmother, my aunt. Keep in mind Uncle keeps talking
• 3:24:27
  about being the golden child. It's going to make.
• 3:24:29
  Sense here in a minute. I can't remember.
• 3:24:32
  My brother where he was that day when?
• 3:24:35
  Our. Mom passed away.
• 3:24:37
  I don't. Remember my brother at the
• 3:24:39
  funeral, but I remember my Aunt Liz, and she said to me in front
• 3:24:46
  of my mom casting, you're going. To.
• 3:24:48
  Remember this day forever. You're going to.
• 3:24:50
  Remember everything about this day and I can't remember my
• 3:24:53
  brother, but my aunt was said you're the strong one.
• 3:24:57
  And I want. You to remember that you're the
• 3:24:59
  strong one, she repeated over and over.
• 3:25:02
  And I'm like these people keep. Telling me I'm the.
• 3:25:04
  Strong one. I can't remember.
• 3:25:07
  Where my brother? Was.
• 3:25:10
  And I know. I was a kid but it hurts because
• 3:25:13
  I cannot remember where my brother was and I say it's in
• 3:25:16
  this moment. And please understand when I say
• 3:25:19
  that I can't remember when my brother was.
• 3:25:22
  I can't remember. And I hold it to my.
• 3:25:25
  Heart. But I'm going to say it again,
• 3:25:27
  like Aunt Liz, like you're the Strong. 1.
• 3:25:31
  And I never. Understood what that meant.
• 3:25:33
  So let's keep passing. Forward to the years.
• 3:25:37
  Then this happened. My Aunt Liz called me.
• 3:25:41
  I don't know. Where in the world I left?
• 3:25:44
  And I didn't know this was. Happening.
• 3:25:46
  I called this the Years of the World Land and my Aunt Liz,
• 3:25:52
  always there, always will be. And she's sitting there right
• 3:25:55
  now for me and my brother. I don't remember at that point
• 3:26:00
  the world when I called him. Could.
• 3:26:01
  You could. You get to the point where about
• 3:26:04
  your brother's release, I understand he's.
• 3:26:06
  Going to OK, so I'm going to take you to the first time my
• 3:26:10
  brother was locked up, and this is where the commitment starts.
• 3:26:14
  When we first saw my brother in jail, he was behind the glass.
• 3:26:19
  That broke my heart. Broke aunt.
• 3:26:20
  Last part. And here's where I tell you my
• 3:26:24
  brother made a commitment to me. I can't remember what year, but
• 3:26:27
  it was the first year he was locked up.
• 3:26:28
  And he was behind the. Glass and my aunt said to him,
• 3:26:32
  we cannot come here to go into your sister behind the glass.
• 3:26:37
  So a couple years. So goodbye.
• 3:26:39
  We went out to see him. He was not behind that glass.
• 3:26:42
  He said to me, I'm never going to be behind that glass.
• 3:26:46
  I am. Doing what I supposed.
• 3:26:47
  To do. He told me in those moments that
• 3:26:50
  there was something that happened.
• 3:26:51
  He told me this. What happened with him and his?
• 3:26:55
  Daughter was very. Hard for me to hear, but he
• 3:26:57
  looked me in my eye. He owned it, he owned it and he
• 3:27:01
  owned it and he he owned it all throughout these.
• 3:27:04
  Years and he never. Stayed behind those that glass.
• 3:27:07
  Is he going? To be Is he going to be living
• 3:27:09
  with you when he relives? I'm going to get to that.
• 3:27:12
  Point I live currently in Denver, Co and when I.
• 3:27:15
  Knew my brother. Was coming up for parole.
• 3:27:18
  I did the work. I reached out a couple years ago
• 3:27:22
  when I knew that this was coming.
• 3:27:25
  There's a a. Place in Colorado called the
• 3:27:28
  Center for Employment Opportunities.
• 3:27:30
  Where I. Spent a lot of time volunteering
• 3:27:32
  and they helped provide me with some counseling and some
• 3:27:35
  techniques to understand what my brother is going to be facing
• 3:27:39
  and then they actually have a job ready for him.
• 3:27:43
  For the Center of Employment Opportunities, we have a offer.
• 3:27:46
  Writer that we were. Able to do where he would be
• 3:27:49
  employed when he reaches Denver. I.
• 3:27:52
  Also have my. Residence, but I also.
• 3:27:56
  I have my fiber types in Colorado willing to partner with
• 3:27:59
  me to make sure that my brother stays the course and help me
• 3:28:05
  understand the Interstate compact.
• 3:28:07
  That's that we have to to be able.
• 3:28:09
  To do, have you started that process?
• 3:28:11
  Yes, yes. No.
• 3:28:15
  Like I said, I'll go ahead and wrap it up.
• 3:28:17
  I will say this as eventually as I can.
• 3:28:20
  I am my brother's keeper. I will never.
• 3:28:23
  Leave this. And.
• 3:28:25
  I didn't know why I wasn't. Going into I went.
• 3:28:27
  To now because I am my brother's keeper.
• 3:28:30
  So that's what I'll leave you with in terms of success.
• 3:28:35
  I've exceeded all expectations that anyone could ever expected
• 3:28:40
  and all I want to do is just show that all my baby brother
• 3:28:44
  who I love, and I know he will never let me down because he
• 3:28:49
  hasn't. So I leave you with that.
• 3:28:51
  I haven't done my job. And.
• 3:28:54
  I've been there and I am never, ever meeting his side.
• 3:28:58
  But he's lucky to have. You.
• 3:29:00
  He's lucky. To have you, we also have Keisha
• 3:29:06
  Brown who would like. To speak.
• 3:29:12
  No, she's changed her mind. She wants to speak.
• 3:29:16
  She. She has chosen to speak on
• 3:29:18
  camera. Miss Brown, it's your turn to
• 3:29:21
  make a statement. OK, how y'all doing today?
• 3:29:29
  I'm making a. Statement saying that David
• 3:29:32
  Sherman has changed. I have seen a change to him and
• 3:29:37
  he does deserve a second chance. You know, I talked to my
• 3:29:43
  daughter, our daughter about how would she feel about him getting
• 3:29:48
  out and she says she's fine with that.
• 3:29:51
  She's not scared of them and stuff like that, but I know he
• 3:29:58
  didn't intentionally try to hurt her.
• 3:30:00
  He was on. Drugs at the.
• 3:30:02
  Time when she came home and told me what happened and you know, I
• 3:30:10
  pursued to do the charges and stuff like that 'cause she was
• 3:30:14
  scared of them. But as the years went by, when I
• 3:30:18
  talked to him, when it saw him, he apologized.
• 3:30:22
  And a person know when a person is sincerely sorry.
• 3:30:28
  And he was sincerely sorry to hurting our child and he
• 3:30:34
  apologized to her with a sincere heart.
• 3:30:39
  So yes, I do think he deserves a second chance and we both have
• 3:30:45
  forgiven him so. That's all.
• 3:30:53
  I have to say that you know he deserves to be out.
• 3:31:00
  Very brave of you to be with us today.
• 3:31:03
  Thank you very much for your comments.
• 3:31:04
  You're welcome. Now we have Mr. Phillip Terrell,
• 3:31:09
  who is the Rep Pete's Parish District Attorney, who would
• 3:31:14
  like to speak. Good morning ladies, ladies and
• 3:31:24
  gentlemen. Other than taking someone's
• 3:31:31
  life, I can't think of anything worse than raping one's own 7
• 3:31:35
  year old daughter. Sherman confessed to making his
• 3:31:40
  own 7 year old daughter perform oral sex upon him when she was
• 3:31:46
  just a little child. She was entrusted to his care
• 3:31:51
  and that's what happened to her. As a result of that, she was
• 3:31:55
  entrusted into his care by Miss Brown, who just testified in
• 3:32:01
  faith for her unjust beliefs. He was charged with aggravated
• 3:32:05
  rape and. Immediately.
• 3:32:07
  After his arrest, he confessed that he had in fact made his
• 3:32:13
  seven-year old daughter perform oral sexually.
• 3:32:18
  The jury was thinking the trial began as soon as the end.
• 3:32:24
  This is reflected in the minutes of the court.
• 3:32:27
  I wasn't there. Of course, it's 25 years ago, 20
• 3:32:31
  more than 20 years ago. But the the rest of the the
• 3:32:34
  court minutes clearly reflect what I'm about to tell you is
• 3:32:37
  that after state concession was paid, played and the jury was
• 3:32:44
  made aware of his competition in her, his defense lawyer asked
• 3:32:50
  for a recess. And.
• 3:32:52
  Asked to say if there would be any possibility of any left plea
• 3:32:57
  to a lesser thing that might result in a less than an
• 3:33:00
  automatic life without benefit of pro relation or suspension
• 3:33:04
  center, the state agreed because the only witness left of any
• 3:33:09
  import would be the seven-year old child.
• 3:33:14
  The state. Agreed to allow him to plead to
• 3:33:17
  charge a forcible rape and with a stipulated plea, I'm sorry,
• 3:33:22
  stipulate sentence of 25 years. And that was done.
• 3:33:28
  So the state, Yeah, I mean, he confessed with the jury that he
• 3:33:33
  had committed aggravated rape. But in order to prove the case,
• 3:33:36
  the state would have had to put the seven-year old child on the
• 3:33:39
  stand. She would have to go through the
• 3:33:40
  trauma, reveal the trauma of her father raping her again.
• 3:33:47
  So the decision was made to allow him to plead to forcible
• 3:33:51
  rape and he got a sentence of 25 years.
• 3:33:54
  The minister Court also reflected that he was present in
• 3:33:57
  Oakland court with his lawyers Blaine Williams, who was very
• 3:34:00
  confident federal defense lawyer.
• 3:34:02
  Miss Williams has sent passed away, but he was an excellent
• 3:34:04
  lawyer and did a good job for his class.
• 3:34:06
  He was fully boycanized. He signed a plea form.
• 3:34:10
  He made a deal for 25 years to keep himself from having to go
• 3:34:15
  to Angola for his life. The remainder of his life.
• 3:34:24
  These nice ladies testified about the progress that that
• 3:34:29
  their nephew and brother had made and they had really good
• 3:34:34
  things to say about how he done well in prison.
• 3:34:39
  But if you notice there was there, his aunt didn't say
• 3:34:44
  anything at all about the victim.
• 3:34:46
  And his sister mentioned the victim in in one sentence and
• 3:34:52
  said that he had expressed to her that he was sorry that he
• 3:34:56
  had expressed to his sister that he was sorry that he didn't and
• 3:34:59
  then it wouldn't happen again. You know, these nice ladies also
• 3:35:06
  expecting the hand. The nice hand said that he had
• 3:35:10
  that while that she had had a tough time because we're having
• 3:35:15
  to work and and not always be there supervising.
• 3:35:19
  But if you'll know that she'll she said he never stole, he
• 3:35:22
  never did drugs. He didn't do any of that.
• 3:35:24
  Well, that sounds a little bit to me like he may well be a
• 3:35:28
  pedophile and the science shows that pedophiles and Rapids very
• 3:35:33
  seldom change. But back to the the main point.
• 3:35:36
  The main point is, and it's admirable and I know that he has
• 3:35:41
  had a a very good prison record and it is admirable.
• 3:35:44
  He has done well. He's taking a ton of of forces
• 3:35:49
  to do. Better.
• 3:35:53
  But if you go back to the fact that he committed this horrible
• 3:35:57
  crime, he made a deal with the state of Louisiana and with his
• 3:36:03
  victim that he would do 25 years.
• 3:36:06
  So. Simply I could belabor that all
• 3:36:08
  day long, but Simply put the man made a deal to keep from going
• 3:36:14
  to prison for the rest of his life and we the state of
• 3:36:18
  Louisiana submits that that that he should remain in prison and
• 3:36:23
  do his entire sentence that he got that was it is a blessing to
• 3:36:28
  him and is a good was a good deal for this Lord your God.
• 3:36:32
  I'd be happy to answer any questions that y'all have.
• 3:36:39
  I usually. Talk a lot.
• 3:36:40
  Longer. I'm sorry, no.
• 3:36:41
  No. I'm trying to get to the point.
• 3:36:43
  Yeah, well. You thank you very much.
• 3:36:46
  Thank you for coming. This case has been assigned to
• 3:36:52
  Mr. Barra. Mr. Barra, you can leave with
• 3:36:54
  any questions you may have. Yeah, When you got arrested,
• 3:37:01
  have you bonded out since then or you've been in jail the whole
• 3:37:04
  time? Well, I had bonded out and and
• 3:37:07
  they picked me up on the upgrade as far as the aggravator rate.
• 3:37:13
  Still on this? Charge how many?
• 3:37:15
  Years have you served of your 25?
• 3:37:18
  21. Years in like 4 months.
• 3:37:24
  Tell us why you think that now would be a good time.
• 3:37:28
  To consider. A release for you, What's
• 3:37:29
  different? Well.
• 3:37:32
  I I have a. Knowledge.
• 3:37:36
  Of a 21 factors. Which I.
• 3:37:40
  Didn't I didn't know anything about the risk factors,
• 3:37:43
  understanding the help that I could have gotten.
• 3:37:47
  But to. Prevent this crime from never
• 3:37:49
  happening. Now that I've taken this class
• 3:37:53
  and I actually took the class for almost five years, and I
• 3:37:57
  also help the other guys in here with the class.
• 3:38:02
  And that has really just opened my eyes to make sure I never put
• 3:38:07
  myself at risk ever again. And I just rehabilitated my mind
• 3:38:12
  to think different than I used to think.
• 3:38:16
  And I just feel like I, I, I tried every day to be a better
• 3:38:22
  person, to learn from my decisions I made and just every
• 3:38:31
  day striving to be the best that person I can be today.
• 3:38:35
  And I just feel like I took, I did everything I could to be a
• 3:38:39
  changed person. And I just feel if I get the
• 3:38:42
  opportunity for early release, I would volunteer my time or
• 3:38:47
  whatever to go into the prisons, back into the prison system, to
• 3:38:50
  talk to the guys that you can change.
• 3:38:54
  It's all on you to put in the work to change.
• 3:38:57
  And that's all I have. What do you think is the most
• 3:39:04
  valuable thing you've learned? With.
• 3:39:07
  Me most. Important thing, Valuable most.
• 3:39:09
  Valuable. Thing I've learned that nobody
• 3:39:14
  deserves to be a victim, and you should.
• 3:39:19
  Always. Think about other people feeling
• 3:39:23
  and what you're going to put them through if you commit a
• 3:39:25
  crime. All right, that's the only.
• 3:39:38
  Question I have. Got a question?
• 3:39:41
  Yes, OK, this is going to be, I know very uncomfortable
• 3:39:44
  question, but Mr. Terrell made a comment about it.
• 3:39:49
  When you have a sex crime and it involves like your own child or
• 3:39:55
  somebody close to you and they're a child like a 7 year
• 3:39:58
  old, that's a different type of sex.
• 3:40:03
  And because it's not. This aggravated rape or
• 3:40:16
  whatever, but this is very different.
• 3:40:19
  So like I said, the recidivism rate is very high when someone
• 3:40:24
  gets back out. Have you taken classes for this
• 3:40:28
  particular type of sex crime? Well, the risk management it it
• 3:40:34
  we talked about pedophiles and and all that nature and I I I
• 3:40:43
  now understand that something you.
• 3:40:50
  Should have never. Done.
• 3:40:51
  And it's the worst thing a person could do and not take
• 3:40:54
  full accountability for that. And I can honestly say things I
• 3:40:59
  know today I would never use those things again.
• 3:41:03
  I would never put myself at risk.
• 3:41:05
  Anybody at risk for that they ever happen again.
• 3:41:09
  Not that I think this is an excuse, believe me, but were you
• 3:41:13
  using drugs or alcohol? Or, you know, you just at at.
• 3:41:16
  That present time, ma'am, I was using drugs, but I can't recall
• 3:41:21
  on that day. But I used.
• 3:41:23
  To do drugs and and I seek the proper help for that.
• 3:41:28
  And I went to NAAA and I learned that I was not thinking when
• 3:41:32
  we're on drugs and therefore I hate drugs.
• 3:41:35
  Never want to be around drugs ever again.
• 3:41:38
  Well, people will. Do that kind of they don't have
• 3:41:40
  to be on drugs. That's that's a that's a mind
• 3:41:42
  thing going on brain issue. OK, well, that's what I
• 3:41:46
  wondered. Had you had any specific
• 3:41:48
  specialized classes concerning that particular type of sex
• 3:41:52
  crime? And you say, OK, I believe?
• 3:41:59
  We've heard from both sides, we've asked our questions.
• 3:42:01
  The panel is prepared to vote. Mr. Barr.
• 3:42:05
  This is a. Tough one.
• 3:42:07
  Let me just. Say that I see that you've done
• 3:42:13
  a lot of good things while you've been in jail.
• 3:42:15
  You got a lot of support, let us even from prison staff.
• 3:42:19
  You're low risk on your tiger score your programs which in the
• 3:42:25
  evaluation said too many to list which I I agree you did a lot of
• 3:42:29
  programs with the victim. Being in.
• 3:42:36
  Favor kind of sways me a little bit from where I was before we
• 3:42:40
  started this hearing I. Do.
• 3:42:42
  Understand what what Mr. Taro is saying also.
• 3:42:49
  So all of that being said, I'm going to vote to grant you
• 3:42:57
  parole to an approved residence. You're not going to get out
• 3:43:01
  without an approved residence and that you're going to
• 3:43:04
  complete all the sex offender requirements and stay involved
• 3:43:08
  in sex offender treatment the whole time of parole.
• 3:43:12
  In other words, even if they say you don't need it anymore, I'm
• 3:43:16
  saying you need to stay in treatment the whole time.
• 3:43:19
  If you get out of treatment and we got a problem.
• 3:43:21
  You need to sit. Find a support group, stay in
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  that group staying into it that you you have a curfew of 10:00
• 3:43:29
  PM to 6:00 AM with electronic monitoring that you attend a, A
• 3:43:35
  and NA one time per week. That you get.
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  A mental health evaluation on the outpatient that you have no
• 3:43:44
  contact with any juvenile unsupervised period.
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  And the reason I'm granting you parole is that if we hold you
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  until the final, we don't have any say so over these
• 3:44:00
  conditions. And we just.
• 3:44:02
  Putting you back out without any support groups and without any
• 3:44:05
  other oversight. So the point of the until
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  supervision ends is the key. To your release today.
• 3:44:15
  So. Don't.
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  Go and assume that oh, it's two years and I haven't had a
• 3:44:18
  problem and I'm still doing good and the doctor says I'm fine, I
• 3:44:22
  don't care about that You're. Going to stay.
• 3:44:25
  Into into some kind of support group for.
• 3:44:28
  Sex. Offenders and.
• 3:44:30
  Stay into. Treatment for the whole time.
• 3:44:33
  That's my book, Stapleton. Based upon everything that
• 3:44:39
  Mister Barack just said and all the conditions he put on you, I
• 3:44:46
  think it's a better decision to do that than to wait until a
• 3:44:50
  full time date and then you just get out.
• 3:44:52
  And we don't have any of this continued monitoring to see how
• 3:44:57
  you do and for you to see how you're going to do, because
• 3:45:00
  right now you're in a very secure situation to prevent
• 3:45:03
  anything from happening. So everything he said, I concur
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  with, and I'm going to grant your parole based upon all the
• 3:45:12
  conditions he made. Mr. Sherman, I will never negate
• 3:45:18
  the seriousness of your crime. However, I have to commend you
• 3:45:23
  for the tremendous work that you have done while incarcerated to
• 3:45:27
  prepare yourself for this day. You know you, you made a comment
• 3:45:32
  early on, you had no education, no hope.
• 3:45:36
  Well, today you you sit before us with education and with hope,
• 3:45:40
  and you have a path forward. My vote is to grant parole.
• 3:45:45
  We'll we'll put you under supervision.
• 3:45:47
  My my vote is to grant you only to the Interstate compact to
• 3:45:52
  Colorado. And we appreciate what you've
• 3:45:57
  done to prepare yourself. You've been granted.
• 3:46:00
  That concludes the ten O 1 thank.
• 3:46:05
  You, Dina. Approved.
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  So look, we've seen the board do this a couple of Times Now where
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  they grant an early release because if they do so, they can
• 3:46:22
  keep tabs on them as opposed to if he sees out the full term and
• 3:46:26
  then he's just let loose. So you know what, I can see
• 3:46:31
  where it's controversial, but I get it.
• 3:46:33
  It it kind of makes sense because because here's the
• 3:46:38
  thing, if he's truly changed, he's going to follow all of
• 3:46:41
  these conditions and it's going to work.
• 3:46:46
  If he hasn't truly changed, they're going to find out real
• 3:46:50
  fast and his butt's going to be back in prison with even more
• 3:46:54
  time. So I mean, is it risky?
• 3:46:58
  Sure. Is it any riskier than letting
• 3:47:03
  him see out his term and then putting him out there?
• 3:47:05
  It's probably less risky this way because there is supervision
• 3:47:10
  and if he screws it up, he's going to get even more time and
• 3:47:14
  be put away for even longer. So you know what, I get it, I
• 3:47:20
  really do. I don't, I don't know if there's
• 3:47:22
  a better, better way to do this here.
• 3:47:24
  And I kind of appreciate where the board's coming from on this
• 3:47:27
  one. Just my thoughts.
• 3:47:29
  We've got about 15 minutes left. Let's go to McNally on the.
• 3:47:32
  Register. It's printing out.
• 3:47:34
  Judge Hessen, do you know, is this mine or hers?
• 3:47:37
  Cheddar, let me take. A look, judge.
• 3:47:43
  The. Date on it.
• 3:47:45
  Stir your name, Brian Daniels. All right, so you're charged
• 3:47:48
  with driving on a suspended. I don't know if it's minor Judge
• 3:47:51
  Hessen's. We're figuring that out.
• 3:47:52
  It looks like it is yours. Judge.
• 3:47:54
  OK, so I'm going to just change it on the Register here.
• 3:47:59
  You have the right to a lawyer if you want one or I'll rain
• 3:48:02
  you. Don't you go talk to the
• 3:48:03
  prosecutor, whatever you want to do.
• 3:48:06
  I just want to. Resolve it.
• 3:48:07
  Well, I know, but you want a lawyer or you want me to explain
• 3:48:10
  the penalties and your rights and let you go talk to the
• 3:48:12
  prosecutor? You waive your right to a
• 3:48:15
  lawyer. Is that what you're saying?
• 3:48:17
  Yes, Sir. OK, there's.
• 3:48:18
  Allege that you did on January 20 of 26 operate a motor vehicle
• 3:48:22
  to suspended license on Engster near King at 9:45 PM.
• 3:48:25
  That is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 500 fines, 93 days jail
• 3:48:30
  costs are all those two points. Do you understand then?
• 3:48:32
  Do you understand all your rights?
• 3:48:34
  If you plead guilty, you'll be giving up all those rights and
• 3:48:36
  we're not going to have a trial of anything.
• 3:48:38
  Do you understand that you still wish to waive your right to a
• 3:48:42
  lawyer? 500.
• 3:48:44
  Dollars, personal bond, not guilty pleas honored.
• 3:48:48
  You cannot leave the state without the consent of the court
• 3:48:50
  or violate a law. Prosecutor must appear in court
• 3:48:54
  is directed. You're going to go talk, sit out
• 3:48:56
  in the hallway. The Browns down Township
• 3:48:58
  attorney will call you in and she will talk to you and you see
• 3:49:05
  if you can resolve it either way, whether it's a plea or an
• 3:49:08
  adjournment or when it's necessary, whatever you have to
• 3:49:10
  come back in Portland. OK.
• 3:49:12
  So just go right out in the hallway and they'll set you up.
• 3:49:14
  Thank you. Thank you, Erica.
• 3:49:17
  Elizabeth Corbath, 26I-4152O6. Some failed to appear.
• 3:49:33
  Fault Judgment centered. To tell you to.
• 3:49:39
  Appear it was scheduled for 9. Is this your only one?
• 3:49:44
  You came in here just for one case.
• 3:49:47
  Yes, your Honor. All right.
• 3:49:49
  Well, you're all set. I'm going to go ahead and enter
• 3:49:50
  into the fall judgment. If you don't have any other
• 3:49:52
  reason to be here, have a good day.
• 3:49:54
  Thank you. Thank you.
• 3:49:57
  You too, your honor. Bye now.
• 3:50:16
  You might as well take a recess. Yeah, all right.
• 3:50:25
  And. As he takes a recess not from
• 3:50:30
  Jefferson County. Let's go from dad to mom.
• 3:50:35
  We'll do that all right. And so and thank you for
• 3:50:38
  addressing your appropriately for court.
• 3:50:40
  Just make sure you're keeping your hands out of your pockets.
• 3:50:42
  Today is the date scheduled for the arraignment and Free Trial
• 3:50:45
  Council as to the arraignment. The court will be the formal.
• 3:50:56
  Reading Entry Plea of not guilty for purposes of the arraignment
• 3:51:00
  and then ask the pre trial council.
• 3:51:02
  Yes, your Honor. At this time City Attorney's
• 3:51:04
  offered to amend the original starts with one count of display
• 3:51:07
  this behavior. My client would like to avail
• 3:51:10
  himself of that offer and enter responsible plea.
• 3:51:29
  All right, Sir, please raise your right hand if you sound me
• 3:51:32
  swear or from testimony. You're about to give him this
• 3:51:34
  plan to be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
• 3:51:35
  Are you picking him up a little bit louder, Sir?
• 3:51:40
  Yes. All right.
• 3:51:42
  You heard the plea that was placed on the record, correct?
• 3:51:45
  Yes. As to the.
• 3:51:47
  Amended charge of disruptive behavior.
• 3:51:50
  How do you please? It's possible, It's possible.
• 3:51:58
  You've gone over your advice of rights with your attorney,
• 3:52:00
  correct? I'm sorry.
• 3:52:04
  Yeah. And you understand all of those
• 3:52:07
  rights? Yeah.
• 3:52:09
  You also understand by entering into a plea that you'll be
• 3:52:11
  waiving some of those rights. Yeah, and.
• 3:52:16
  You understand the possible penalty as a result of your
• 3:52:18
  plea, whether in this court, any other court or administrative
• 3:52:21
  agency? Yes.
• 3:52:23
  Knowing all that, do you want to continue with your plea?
• 3:52:27
  Has I? Promised you anything,
• 3:52:28
  threatened you or coerced you in any way for you to enter into a
• 3:52:30
  plea and any immigration issues, no.
• 3:52:36
  The court will. Accept your plea as knowing and
• 3:52:38
  voluntary to the amended charge. Just missed the original charge.
• 3:52:43
  Per the plea agreement, that's $250.
• 3:52:46
  Do you have that to pay today? Yes.
• 3:52:49
  All right. Going to go.
• 3:52:52
  Out into the lobby, Sir, and somebody will be with you
• 3:52:54
  shortly, Sir, next time to see the facilities at the last
• 3:52:59
  establishment you were at. OK.
• 3:53:02
  Thank you, Josh. All right.
• 3:53:03
  Have a good day. Thank you, this is the matter.
• 3:53:11
  Of the city of Wyandotte, first to Shari Anderson, 251654 A&B.
• 3:53:26
  Deploy. Yes, so I said.
• 3:54:35
  You're up to that. I'm sorry.
• 3:54:37
  And you said yes. I always thought you were just
• 3:54:40
  trying to finish my business. Troubled.
• 3:54:44
  In fact, it's my present. And apologies to you, Miss
• 3:54:50
  Anderson, the old boy here on behalf of Is It Hashray,
• 3:54:54
  Tasharay Anderson. I think I was closer
• 3:54:57
  pronouncing. It as well.
• 3:54:58
  It's true. Yeah.
• 3:54:59
  Trying to beared with the with respect to arraignment Anderson.
• 3:55:04
  She waste formal reading at Stan Smith.
• 3:55:06
  All right. And ma'am, your name for the
• 3:55:07
  record, please. Shari Anderson.
• 3:55:21
  All right. And today is the date scheduled
• 3:55:24
  for the arraignment pretrial in this matter and Council.
• 3:55:28
  Yeah, sure. I'm going to review this.
• 3:55:32
  With the city. Attorney, my client is
• 3:55:35
  requesting an adjournment. The purpose of that adjournment
• 3:55:37
  is to correct some defects in their driving history
• 3:55:42
  specifically. There's a reviewing this.
• 3:55:47
  There's a financial responsibility suspension time
• 3:55:50
  record that apparently shouldn't be there.
• 3:55:53
  Not. The only issue but the.
• 3:55:54
  Question. The German was approximately 30
• 3:55:56
  days and given her thumb instructs about my
• 3:56:00
  responsibility, she needs to get these things sorted out.
• 3:56:03
  When she goes back, you'll be in a better position to resolve
• 3:56:06
  this case. OK.
• 3:56:15
  And ma'am, how did you get here today?
• 3:56:19
  I was, well, my friend is that friend.
• 3:56:25
  You have a name, Sherrod. Is Sherrod out in the parking
• 3:56:28
  lot? Yes, ma'am.
• 3:56:30
  What kind of? Car is Sherrod in?
• 3:56:34
  What's that? He's in a Jeep Grand.
• 3:56:36
  Chair. And he's in the driver's seat.
• 3:56:39
  Yes, he knows. And you don't have any keys in
• 3:56:41
  your pockets. Where do you work?
• 3:56:45
  I work at core levels and Taylor.
• 3:56:48
  And how do you get back and forth to work?
• 3:56:50
  Either a friend. Or a man and a supervisor
• 3:56:54
  shouldn't take me up and drop. Me off OK, you want to.
• 3:56:58
  Get your license back, presumably sooner than later,
• 3:57:00
  correct? So then stop driving.
• 3:57:04
  OK. All right.
• 3:57:07
  The court will. Adjourn.
• 3:57:10
  This matter to March 11th at 8:45 AM.
• 3:57:32
  And. Then as to bond council, I
• 3:57:34
  guess. Well, my client is very
• 3:57:36
  interested in getting this resolved and I think she's on
• 3:57:40
  the right path. She.
• 3:57:43
  Well, that she's into. Criminal history purposely other
• 3:57:45
  than non payments financial obligations.
• 3:57:49
  So she's by she's never you never put the court date.
• 3:57:54
  Is that correct? You're not affiliation of Parole
• 3:57:56
  anymore, but you are going to plan for.
• 3:57:58
  It and what's. Going on.
• 3:58:01
  With. The.
• 3:58:02
  Same and well, so she understands that she wants to
• 3:58:05
  get this resolved and she. Walked in there.
• 3:58:07
  Belong. Of her own court and why I want
• 3:58:11
  to do something in the mail itself.
• 3:58:14
  So. Your sheet will appear and
• 3:58:16
  that's court will personal bond. All right, Have you ever failed
• 3:58:19
  to appear in court for any reason?
• 3:58:20
  No, ma'am. Are you out on bond in any
• 3:58:22
  jurisdiction? All right, the court's going to
• 3:58:26
  order a $5000 personal bond. You're not to operate a motor
• 3:58:28
  vehicle without a license, valid license and just have a seat or
• 3:58:35
  probation. Where do you?
• 3:58:36
  Where should they? I'll take a.
• 3:58:37
  Provision everybody. OK.
• 3:58:38
  And then? You'll get a copy of of your
• 3:58:40
  remind conditions. OK.
• 3:58:41
  Yes, ma'am. All right, Thank you.
• 3:58:42
  That's just the only working printer right now.
• 3:58:45
  That's why you're going to. All right, friends.
• 3:58:47
  That brings an end to the festivities for today.
• 3:58:50
  But we will be back tonight actually, but on in the Blind.
• 3:58:53
  There's links for that all over the chat.
• 3:58:55
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• 3:58:59
  Be me and Michael Groff and we will debate two different topics
• 3:59:04
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• 3:59:07
  And stick around for the third segment, the true false segment,
• 3:59:11
  because that's the best part of the show in my opinion.
• 3:59:13
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• 3:59:16
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• 3:59:19
  AM Eastern, 6 Pacific, 1/2 an hour earlier if you're a channel
• 3:59:22
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• 3:59:24
  Take care, God bless.