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CULT-MOM Lori Vallow set to walk free? WHERE ARE MISSING CHILDREN? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: These so called cult mom Lorie Valo hit the headlines
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Speaker 1: when her two children JJ entirely go missing, but they
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Speaker 1: were last with her. She has done everything possible to
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Speaker 1: evade questions about where are her children, all the while
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Speaker 1: espousing her beliefs in a doomsday cult. According to her
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Speaker 1: and her prepare the people called the world will end
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Speaker 1: in July. But you know what, we'll burn that bridge
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Speaker 1: when we get there. Right now, I want to know
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Speaker 1: where are her children? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace as
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Speaker 1: police in many states look for Tailey and JJ. Mommy
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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Vallo decides to go on a Hawaii
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Speaker 1: vacation with her new lover, and while there, they get married,
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Speaker 1: seemingly not concerned that it's only two weeks since his
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Speaker 1: wife died in her sleep and her husband was shot
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Speaker 1: dead by her brother. Funny how that was just such
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Speaker 1: perfect timing. But right now, what I'm concerned about, in
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Speaker 1: addition to where are the children? Are they dad or alive?
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Speaker 1: Is cult mom Lorie Valo set to walk free on
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Speaker 1: a lowered bond. Is this happening in what universe? I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Series XIM one
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Speaker 1: eleven Lorie Valo to walk free without divulging where are
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Speaker 1: her two missing children? No what judge and his or
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Speaker 1: her right mind would do that. Well, guess what they
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Speaker 1: have been thinking about it for a long time. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox thirteen Utah Adam Herbert's.
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Speaker 1: Within two weeks of Tammy's death, Chad married Lorie Valo, who,
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Speaker 1: as you remember, has been a widow now for about
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Speaker 1: three months. On November twenty sixth, family members started to
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Speaker 1: get concerned they hadn't heard from the kids, JJ or Tylee.
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Speaker 1: They asked for a welfare check, and police said the
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Speaker 1: newlyweds lied about the children's location. We've got it's pretty
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Speaker 1: much the run around. I don't know what happened to
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Speaker 1: those kids. I know that there's people who do when
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Speaker 1: they're not talking, who've used the word at cult. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Their focus is just so
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Speaker 1: much on the end of the world, and you know
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Speaker 1: this this idea that it's coming. The next day, Rexburg
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Speaker 1: police served a search warrant. They found out Chad and
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Speaker 1: Lorie left their home abruptly, so they called in the FBI.
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Speaker 1: If I could say anything to him, I would just
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Speaker 1: say tell the truth. You know. At this point, police
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Speaker 1: determined the death of Chad's wife, Tammy Day Bell may
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Speaker 1: be suspicious, so on December eleventh, they went to her
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Speaker 1: grave site in Springville and exhumed her body for further testing.
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Speaker 1: The day after that, Laurie Valo's brother Alex Cox died
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Speaker 1: in Gilbert, Arizona. Wow, you get around Laurie Valo cult mom,
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Speaker 1: and you risk dropping deab dropped dead like a fly
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Speaker 1: with me an all Star panel. Ashley Wilcot, judge and
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Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor Court TV. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot com. Bobby Chicane, former spec agent, FBI screenwriter,
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Speaker 1: Criminal Minds doctor Bethany Marshall psycho analysts joining us from
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Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Instagram. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Cheryl McCollum, director of
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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute and crime scene expert. Levi
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Speaker 1: Page Crime Online dot com, investigative reporter and professor forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Jo Scott, you know all about the cult?
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Speaker 1: What can you tell us? Well, you know this fellow
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Speaker 1: who's been writing these tracks or books or whatever it is.
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Speaker 1: He claims that, you know, he has the only one
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Speaker 1: vision for us all to egress into heaven. And you
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Speaker 1: know they bought into it, hook line and sinker. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they've got other people that follow them.
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Speaker 1: They're an offshoot of a larger religion, a larger belief system,
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Speaker 1: and I think that many people look at him as
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Speaker 1: a collection of religion. Well, yeah, you know how I
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Speaker 1: made that connection because the Mormons, that's where I first
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Speaker 1: heard of, the only one hundred and forty four thousand
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Speaker 1: people and since the history of the world started, are
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Speaker 1: gonna make it to heaven. That's I think their theory.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I thought this was an offshoot of
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Speaker 1: Latter day Saints. To doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst, you
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Speaker 1: and Beverly Hills have dealt with a lot of cult cases.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of cults out in your neck of
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Speaker 1: the woods, doctor doctor Bethany, as you well know. So
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Speaker 1: people do things out of this belief that they wouldn't
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Speaker 1: normally do. That's not a defense at law. Is that
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Speaker 1: actually woke out? You're the judge and trial lawyer, just
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Speaker 1: because you say the cult told me to. You're not
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Speaker 1: going to get away with packing your children off, not
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Speaker 1: telling the relatives or the courts, much less killing them,
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Speaker 1: not at all. Now, you may or may not be
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Speaker 1: surprised that when I'm on the bench, I do hear
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Speaker 1: that defense. We hear defendants trying to argue that. But
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Speaker 1: you are absolutely right. It is not a legal defense
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Speaker 1: to say somebody else made me do it. You know,
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Speaker 1: this whole cult thing, doctor Bethany Marshall, You're hearing from
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Speaker 1: a judge and trial lawyer that it's actually used a lot.
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Speaker 1: Somebody made me do it. But what happens to these
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Speaker 1: cult members, I mean, it goes all the way, It
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Speaker 1: goes way back. A simple one to refer to as
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Speaker 1: manson a cult Jim Jones. They literally drank poison kool
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Speaker 1: aid because Jones told them too. I mean, it goes
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Speaker 1: on and on. But taking your own life is bad enough,
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Speaker 1: but potentially taking the lives of your children. This in
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Speaker 1: the backdrop, Laurie Vala wants to walk free from jail.
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Speaker 1: What they do in these cults. I'm sorry, did not
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Speaker 1: mean to interrupt, but so eager to tell you this
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Speaker 1: is that you have two self professed charismatic leaders of
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Speaker 1: Laura in Chad de Bell. They recruit weaker members and
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Speaker 1: it's almost like a psychological Ponzi scheme that all the
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Speaker 1: benefits accrue from the bottom up. So they separate their
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Speaker 1: followers from their loved ones, from their money, from their possessions,
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Speaker 1: from their free time. And an essential feature of cults
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Speaker 1: is that they build firewalls within the cult, and what
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Speaker 1: that means is that often members are not allowed to
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Speaker 1: talk to the outside world or too stronger members. Everything
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Speaker 1: is very compartmentalized. So somebody who begins to gain strength
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Speaker 1: and to splinter out of the cult will often be
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Speaker 1: disposed of or stalked in some way, what we see
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Speaker 1: in scientology. So what if those two kids or begin
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Speaker 1: they're they're in high school. What if they're beginning to
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Speaker 1: question the calls or say wow, this is crazy, or
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Speaker 1: tell their school features the firewall is broken. Ylie is well.
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Speaker 1: The value told cult mom Laurie Valos that she had gone.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was to Rexburg to college, and as
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Speaker 1: it turns out, she's not there, never was there. That
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Speaker 1: one is college age. I think she's seventeen or eighteen,
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Speaker 1: her dad. Tyler's dad was Ryan, last named Ryan. I
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Speaker 1: believe it was Joe Ryan. He's dead. That was one
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Speaker 1: to three husbands ago. He turns up dead and he
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Speaker 1: was immediately cremated. Then she marries Valoe. He gets shot
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Speaker 1: dead by her brother, and now she's on day Bell
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Speaker 1: the cult leader Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about the fact that Laurie Valo it has
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Speaker 1: tried to convince a judge, is trying to convince a
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Speaker 1: judge to lower her bond and walk free, and Steel
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Speaker 1: has not divulged to this moment. Where are her children?
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to East Idaho News dot com our
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Speaker 1: friend Nate Eton. Back in October. At the beginning of October,
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Speaker 1: Tad Dayvill was still married to Canny day Bell. She
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Speaker 1: died on October nineteenth. But on October second, we have
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Speaker 1: uncovered from an Amazon account that Laurie was using the
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Speaker 1: purchase of her wedding ring had a shifted to her
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Speaker 1: address in Rexburg under the name of Charles Valo, her
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Speaker 1: f husband, and we're told that she repeatedly used Charles's
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Speaker 1: Amazon accounts after he passed away. So it's interesting thing
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Speaker 1: that on October second, she would purchase the wedding ring
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Speaker 1: that she was then photographed in getting married to Chad
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Speaker 1: on the beach. Weeks later. She bought the ring when
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Speaker 1: Tammy was still alive, and that's the same day that
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Speaker 1: she and Chad a man, we believe it, Chad visited
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Speaker 1: the storage unit in Rexburg, and that's the same day
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Speaker 1: that Brandon Bordeaux was shot at in Arizona. So a
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Speaker 1: lot was happening on that day with a lot of
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Speaker 1: different players and Leavi Page when she called mum. Laurie
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Speaker 1: Vallo was pictured on video going into a storage unit
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Speaker 1: just before she disappears to get married in Hawaii. What
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Speaker 1: was found in that storage unit? Levi Page Climb online, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It was belongings of the two kids, you know, their games, clothing, pictures,
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Speaker 1: all their personal items were abandoned in this storage unit,
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Speaker 1: which was odd. Why would you do that? Yeah, why
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Speaker 1: would you do that? Cheryl McCollum, Director, Coal Case Research Institute.
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Speaker 1: You can find out a lot about some body by
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Speaker 1: looking at their Amazon and their online activity. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you look at money, think what is going on?
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Speaker 1: This woman orders one big bag after the next of
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Speaker 1: guinea Pig food, and then there's a Ukalile pick, and
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Speaker 1: then there's this, and then there's that. None of it
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Speaker 1: makes any sense at all. But I can tell you
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Speaker 1: this much. If she's ordering a wedding dress and a
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Speaker 1: wedding ring before her groom's wife is dead, I got
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Speaker 1: a problem with that. Cheryl McCollum. Well, it's one of
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Speaker 1: those red flag Nancy that you and I love so much.
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Speaker 1: I think that's more than a red flag. I think
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Speaker 1: that's set the whole house on fire. It's pretty much
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Speaker 1: a parade coming down Peachtree Street. Absolutely. So you and
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Speaker 1: I love to sit down and look at pre and
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Speaker 1: post behavior. So if you watch what has been happening,
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Speaker 1: what's currently happening, then you start listening these things that
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Speaker 1: are bizarre. So the things that she's buying, the things
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Speaker 1: that she's planning, her future is a wedding in the
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Speaker 1: very near future. Oh oh oh, hold on, Cheryl. If
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Speaker 1: you look at her search for the wedding dress, it
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Speaker 1: says beach wedding dress. Bah. So she knew not only
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Speaker 1: that she was getting married, but it would be at
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Speaker 1: a beach. And in fact, she and David Elle as
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Speaker 1: soon as his wife is buried heads straight to Hawaii,
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Speaker 1: no thought of telling anybody where the children are, and
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Speaker 1: get married on the beach. That's pretty specific, Cheryl McCollum.
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Speaker 1: It's real specific. And they wasted no time. They see.
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Speaker 1: All of this happens within eleven days, So even if
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Speaker 1: you're playing to a lope, that's a pretty short amount
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Speaker 1: of tign with everything that had to be put into
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Speaker 1: place for her, and she's very blase about the whereabouts
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Speaker 1: of her children. You know, I want to go to
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Speaker 1: Bobby she Come, former special agent FBI screenwriter criminal rhymes.
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Speaker 1: I know you got a lot to draw on when
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Speaker 1: you write you're a screenplace for criminal minds. This is
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Speaker 1: a doozy, isn't Have you found Bobby Chico With all
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Speaker 1: the people that you've come in contact with. Sometimes it's true,
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Speaker 1: if you give them enough rope, they'll hang themselves. I mean,
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Speaker 1: who would go on to Amazon and order her wedding
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Speaker 1: dress to marry the guy whose wife is still alive
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Speaker 1: and then she's dead a few days later? Yeah, I see.
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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the that's one of the
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Speaker 1: public fascinations with this is the brazenness of Lorie Valle's behavior,
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Speaker 1: and even in Cheddabo's behavior, the brazenness which they operated
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Speaker 1: these months, from starting from last summer to this this
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Speaker 1: winter and spring. I mean, it's just like they just
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Speaker 1: didn't care to even hide what they were doing. And
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Speaker 1: the public is frustrated because they're not being held accountable yet.
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Speaker 1: And I understand that because when each when each of
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Speaker 1: these things is overturned, you see more brazen behavior, more
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Speaker 1: out in the open. I mean the picture you sited
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Speaker 1: with on the beach where he's playing the ukulelelean. They're
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Speaker 1: dressed in white. I mean, this is days after his
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Speaker 1: wife dies, months after her husband dies a violent means,
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Speaker 1: and her children are still missing. They look absolutely blissful
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Speaker 1: in that picture. They ear to ear smiles, they're dancing
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Speaker 1: on the beach. I mean, this is just behavior that
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Speaker 1: is inconsistent with the life events that were taking place
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Speaker 1: in both their lives at the time. You're right, Bobby
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Speaker 1: chikin there. Actually she's actually doing the hula. I mean,
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Speaker 1: she's doing the hand motions on the beach. Where are
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Speaker 1: her children dead or alive? You know, it's very hard
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Speaker 1: for me to believe a mom would kill her own children.
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Speaker 1: But if you're under the control the mind control of
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Speaker 1: a cult. And you know you got to look at
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Speaker 1: the track record too. Everybody around her drops dad like
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Speaker 1: flies bashaw Right now, Laurie Valo demands a bond. Now,
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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me. Once she was finally apprehended in Hawaii,
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Speaker 1: she fights ex tradition, which is a very simple procedure.
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Speaker 1: Two questions, are you Laurie Valo and you can show
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Speaker 1: that with a fingerprint, and are you the Laurie Valo
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Speaker 1: one and back in Rexburg, Idaho. Only those two questions,
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Speaker 1: that's all. It's not a trial, just the answers to
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Speaker 1: those questions. And if the answers are yes, that person
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Speaker 1: has to be extradited home, and she wants so. That
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Speaker 1: five million dollar bond suddenly was slashed by a judge
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Speaker 1: who was a former defense lawyer to one million. But
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Speaker 1: that wasn't good enough. Valo insists on a lower bond.
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Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, you've
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Speaker 1: been on the case since the get go, along with us.
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Speaker 1: Why would any judge in their right mind consider a
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Speaker 1: bond reduction? No idea? I think, well, actually I do, right.
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Speaker 1: I think that potentially they're using its leverage. I recall back,
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Speaker 1: it seems that I heard a comment that the da
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor had made relative to this, and I think
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Speaker 1: this speaks volumes. He says, Hey, yeah, well, we'll consider
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Speaker 1: a bond reduction. You tell us where the kids are.
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Speaker 1: What are the odds that that's actually going to happen tomorrow? No,
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Speaker 1: the reality is though, too, doctor Bethany Marshall. There's only
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Speaker 1: two possibilities. Either the children are dead or she's got
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Speaker 1: them tucked away with members of the cult, because nobody
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Speaker 1: in the family or the relatives know where the children are.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree with those two possibilities? I would agree.
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Speaker 1: And look, she as I always say, when a mother
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Speaker 1: gets rid of her kids, she's paving the way for
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Speaker 1: an idealized life and the wedding on the beach to Ukulele.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, it's not so idealized now, right,
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Speaker 1: she's begging for a bond reduction. She didn't get what
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Speaker 1: she wanted. Long story short, we've seen her bond go
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Speaker 1: down down down Hawaii. In Hawaii, the judge said it
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Speaker 1: at five million because she had already fled a police
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Speaker 1: investigation in the forty eight states. So then she gets
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Speaker 1: to Rexburg and the bond is slashed to one million
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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace Lorie Valor to walk free
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Speaker 1: without divulging where are her two missing children? It goes
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Speaker 1: on and on. In the midst of all of this,
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Speaker 1: we learn that the Attorney General has taken over the case.
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Speaker 1: But I want to circle back to where the children
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Speaker 1: were last scene to Cheryl column the last photo that
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Speaker 1: we know of with Tyley and JJ together, the two
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Speaker 1: were suddenly taken taken on a hiking trip to Yellowstone.
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Speaker 1: Guys that we're talking about cult mom Lorie Valoe demanding
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Speaker 1: a bell reduction to walk free. To you, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: that last photo of the two of them together is
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Speaker 1: very ominous. Why Snancy, I took my children to yellow
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Speaker 1: Phone And the first thing that just kind of came
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Speaker 1: all over me was the vastness. I mean, it is
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Speaker 1: so unbelievable. It is still straight up wilderness. It is
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Speaker 1: consumed with wildlife. It has pockets of you know, the
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Speaker 1: you know, the fountains, the you know that's got boiling
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Speaker 1: water all over the place. They've got buffalo, They've got
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Speaker 1: all this stuff, and there are parts for reviews started
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Speaker 1: to hide, you would not only get laws, you could
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Speaker 1: never be seen again. And the reality of that Bobby's account.
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Speaker 1: If those children I mean killed and Yellowstone, would we
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Speaker 1: ever find them? Well, you know, there's always hope. But
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Speaker 1: you know, the things that make it very difficult are
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Speaker 1: both the size of the search location, which is massive
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Speaker 1: in this case, and then the difficulty of the terrain
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Speaker 1: to get to and to know. And so one of
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Speaker 1: my initial jobs whenever I was doing a search like
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Speaker 1: that is to really hone in on the search area,
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Speaker 1: really dig down and limit the size of the area
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Speaker 1: we need to search. In this case, you know, a
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Speaker 1: place like Yellowstone is so vast. Yes, you can hopefully
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Speaker 1: track where they were, and then you can do an
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Speaker 1: analysis of how far someone can hike on foot, you know,
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Speaker 1: per day, for how long they were gone. So you
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Speaker 1: do things like that to limit the amount of area
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Speaker 1: of the search, and then you have to deal with
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Speaker 1: that area and how tough it is, how hilly it is,
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Speaker 1: how rocky it is, all the different types of terrain
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Speaker 1: that you might encounter, and those two things. You know,
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Speaker 1: the bigger the surge area and the more difficult to train,
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Speaker 1: the less chance you're going to have of possibly finding
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Speaker 1: what you're looking for. Jesus Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, an author, FU,
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about exothermic pools? Hey, listen, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: One of the most disturbing things, you know, kind of
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Speaker 1: dovetailing what Bobby had said. That really has set my
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Speaker 1: mind to thinking. People think of Yellowstone with Old Faithful.
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Speaker 1: Old Faithful is a geothermic pool. It's very hot, but
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Speaker 1: these pools are everywhere around there and they can get
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Speaker 1: up to a temperature of almost five hundred degrees. I
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Speaker 1: hate to say this, but if those kids have been disappeared,
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Speaker 1: if you will into one of these pools, the chances
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Speaker 1: of finding them are going to be nil because it
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Speaker 1: will literally reduce anything that remained of them. And that's
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Speaker 1: what's really scary. So not only do you have to
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Speaker 1: deal with pools, you've got to deal with this vast
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Speaker 1: geographic area, and as investigators, that's one of the things
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Speaker 1: that we have to take into consideration in it. Let
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Speaker 1: me understand what you're saying. An exothermic pool would totally
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Speaker 1: destroy any evidence of a body. Yeah, yeah, particularly after
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Speaker 1: a very short period of time, if they are left
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Speaker 1: submerged in here some way. Or just thrown in there.
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Speaker 1: It will completely make these bodies reduce even down to
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Speaker 1: the bone. And that's kind of chilling when you think
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Speaker 1: about it, and it's it's actually the perfect way to
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Speaker 1: get away with Martin. Now, it's my understanding of the
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Speaker 1: timeline that JJ may have been spotted later on a
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Speaker 1: ring doorbell, but I don't know that that date can
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Speaker 1: be confirmed. And after the photo and I'm looking at
22:57
Speaker 1: the photo right now, you can see it at crimline
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Speaker 1: do the photo of the children at Yellowstone was on
23:06
Speaker 1: September eight, September eight, and to my understanding, Tyley, seventeen
23:13
Speaker 1: year old daughter was never seen again after that. So
23:22
Speaker 1: demanding a lower bond. What can the state get out
23:26
Speaker 1: of that? Another issue we are now learning is that
23:31
Speaker 1: the Attorney General has taken over the case. Let me
23:37
Speaker 1: go straight back to Levi page climb online dot Com
23:40
Speaker 1: investigative reporter, What if anything can you tell me about that?
23:44
Speaker 1: So Nancy in October said Davil's wife, Tammy Davil. She died.
23:50
Speaker 1: It was ruled natural circumstances and now the Attorney General
23:55
Speaker 1: and Idaho has completely taken over case. Part of the
23:59
Speaker 1: reason why is before she had passed away. Weeks later,
24:03
Speaker 1: she said that somebody pulled up in her driveway and
24:06
Speaker 1: pointed a paint gun at her and fired it, but
24:09
Speaker 1: it was empty, and then they drove away and it
24:12
Speaker 1: was just really odd. But the motives some people say
24:16
Speaker 1: that she was actually killed and murdered, and the motive
24:19
Speaker 1: for that would be Chad day Bell received at least
24:23
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty thousand dollars in life insurance proceeds,
24:27
Speaker 1: and Chad and Timmy Dave Bell were living off of
24:30
Speaker 1: all of that money. You know, it's a bad thing
24:33
Speaker 1: to you, Cheryl McCullum, when your case gets torn away
24:37
Speaker 1: from you by the state attorney general who has the
24:41
Speaker 1: right to do it. Nancy. Sometimes when they fogart one
24:44
Speaker 1: of these cases, it's either because they feel like something's
24:47
Speaker 1: not being done that should be done, or they want
24:49
Speaker 1: to add some federal charges to this. Well, again, if
24:52
Speaker 1: she kidnapped those children, if she did thepose of them
24:56
Speaker 1: in a federal park, then that's the type of thing
24:59
Speaker 1: that they're going to come in and they're gonna take
25:01
Speaker 1: over and they're gonna hopefully get this thing across the
25:03
Speaker 1: Kritish law. You know, another issue is the money and
25:07
Speaker 1: that Levi Pegs just brought up the life insurance policy
25:10
Speaker 1: for about four hundred and thirty three thousand dollars that
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Speaker 1: the new husband, Chad day Bell had on his wife
25:16
Speaker 1: Tammy healthy as a horse. I might add, a young
25:20
Speaker 1: woman in her forties preparing to run a marathon dies
25:26
Speaker 1: in her sleep just after caught. Mom orders a wedding
25:31
Speaker 1: dress and a wedding ring for herself on Amazon. That's
25:37
Speaker 1: way way too much of a coincidence. And there is
25:40
Speaker 1: no coincidence in criminal law. I'm telling you four hundred
25:44
Speaker 1: and thirty three grand you know, to Astal Willcott judge
25:48
Speaker 1: and trial lawyer court TV anchor, follow the money, yeah,
25:52
Speaker 1: follow the money, And there're too many coincidences in this case.
25:55
Speaker 1: But b I completely agree with you when you have
25:58
Speaker 1: a life insurance policy, especially with that huge amount of money. Absolutely,
26:02
Speaker 1: to me that goes to motive, which while it doesn't
26:06
Speaker 1: prove an element of a crime, it sure is important.
26:08
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to mention, Nancy is one
26:10
Speaker 1: of the other reasons I want to add that perhaps
26:13
Speaker 1: federal charges may ensue is because we don't know obviously
26:17
Speaker 1: where these children are and if they cross state lines,
26:20
Speaker 1: if something's happened to them and they moved them cross
26:22
Speaker 1: straight lines, then the Feds have the right to get involved.
26:25
Speaker 1: And I I just have to say one more thing.
26:28
Speaker 1: You know, when a mother refuses to produce her children
26:34
Speaker 1: for a court order, to show the court, yes, they're fine,
26:37
Speaker 1: they're good, everything's fine, something nefarious is a foot Period
26:54
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about Lorie
27:00
Speaker 1: Valo cult mom demands a lower bond. Really take a
27:07
Speaker 1: listen to our friends at CBS This Morning News. This
27:09
Speaker 1: is correspondent Jonathan Wigliotti. As many in the town of
27:12
Speaker 1: Rexburg demanded to know where our seven year old JJ
27:15
Speaker 1: and seventeen year old Tyley Valo, who's charged with felony
27:19
Speaker 1: child abandonment, has revealed nothing about the fate of her kids.
27:22
Speaker 1: Investigators confirmed Tyley was last seen in Yellowstone National Park.
27:26
Speaker 1: There is no evidence of Tyle Ryan leaving this park.
27:29
Speaker 1: The FBI is now calling on everyone that visited here
27:32
Speaker 1: September eighth to look through their photos for signs of
27:36
Speaker 1: the family. Bells said at one million dollars if release,
27:39
Speaker 1: Valo will have to wear an ankle bracelet. At no
27:42
Speaker 1: point during this hearing did Valo or her attorney mentioned
27:46
Speaker 1: where the kids are an ankle bracelet? What an ankle bracelet?
27:50
Speaker 1: I mean, how can they even say that to you,
27:54
Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, She's already absconded when police went because of
27:59
Speaker 1: a will fair check request by the grandparents. As they
28:04
Speaker 1: tell me, the cops go to the home, they can't
28:07
Speaker 1: find the children. Valo makes up a story. The cops
28:10
Speaker 1: go back to their HQ, they go out on the street,
28:14
Speaker 1: they look for the children. The children aren't where she says.
28:16
Speaker 1: They go back the next day. She's gone. I don't
28:19
Speaker 1: mean gone, I mean cleared out the furniture, everything she's moved.
28:22
Speaker 1: She left in the middle of an investigation and leaves
28:26
Speaker 1: the Continental US and heads to Hawaii. That is what happened.
28:31
Speaker 1: The thought of her getting bond is insane. What about it, chikom.
28:37
Speaker 1: We already know her track record. Why would we let
28:39
Speaker 1: her do it again? I have no idea. You know, Nancy,
28:42
Speaker 1: the two traditional bail issues or danger to the community
28:45
Speaker 1: and risk of flight. Well, she's already demonstrated an ability
28:48
Speaker 1: to flee, and although she wasn't charged at the time
28:51
Speaker 1: when she went to Hawaii, you can certainly make the
28:54
Speaker 1: argument that she has the means and the ability to
28:57
Speaker 1: flee and fight. You're technically correct, Bobby Chicone. She hadn't
29:02
Speaker 1: made charged yet, but Comms had come to her doorstep
29:06
Speaker 1: looking for the children. The next day when they go back,
29:10
Speaker 1: she's gone, Sure you think that's a coincidence, Absolutely not.
29:15
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing is to remember is
29:16
Speaker 1: too she was initially held at least part of the
29:19
Speaker 1: time on a contempt citation when she refused to produce
29:22
Speaker 1: the children. So I would hope that even if this judge,
29:25
Speaker 1: you know, makes the insane decision to at least avail awful,
29:30
Speaker 1: that what we held in contempt for still refusing to
29:33
Speaker 1: produce the children in that contempt citation, she can remain incarcerated.
29:37
Speaker 1: Five charges, two felonies for a failure to support or
29:43
Speaker 1: take care of her children. That rise to felony level.
29:47
Speaker 1: It's called felony abandonment a child. Then there is contempt
29:51
Speaker 1: when she lied to police. There is a contempt of
29:55
Speaker 1: court when she did not produce the children and come
29:57
Speaker 1: to court pursue it to a subpoena. And third the
30:01
Speaker 1: allegation that she tried to get someone else to lie
30:03
Speaker 1: about the location of the children. Those are the five
30:06
Speaker 1: felonies that have been leveled against coltmom Lorie Valo. We
30:11
Speaker 1: know that nearly obtained court documents from the Idaho Attorney
30:15
Speaker 1: General's Office and the County Prosecutor's office show the AG
30:19
Speaker 1: is now taking over much of the case. Why Joe
30:24
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan do you think that's happening. I think it's
30:27
Speaker 1: a consolidation of the investigation, and what that means is
30:30
Speaker 1: bringing all of these fragmented pieces. Nancy, We've got dead
30:34
Speaker 1: bodies from here down to Arizona. You know, if you
30:37
Speaker 1: count her brother that's dead. We've got what I believe
30:42
Speaker 1: is a serious, serious problem with coroner and Rexberg that
30:47
Speaker 1: allowed that body to be buried without you know, Tammy
30:51
Speaker 1: Day Bell being thoroughly examined, and then they had to
30:54
Speaker 1: exhume her body and down in Utah and the Utah
30:58
Speaker 1: State Mmy's office has got nothing to work with but
31:00
Speaker 1: an embomb remain, and you know, it's it's it's a
31:04
Speaker 1: it's a freak show, is what it comes down to
31:06
Speaker 1: from from a criminal investigation standpoint. And if they don't
31:10
Speaker 1: if they don't stand the believing right now, this whole
31:12
Speaker 1: thing could run off the tracks. I think that's what
31:14
Speaker 1: the Age recognizes right now there. I agree with a
31:18
Speaker 1: lot of what you said. But if the Idaho Attorney
31:22
Speaker 1: General snatches the case away from the county authorities, the
31:26
Speaker 1: Idaho Age has no power in Arizona or Utah, and
31:32
Speaker 1: I believe that you are how should I say this
31:36
Speaker 1: putting perfume on a pig. Every time I've ever seen
31:40
Speaker 1: the Age takeover a case is because it has been
31:44
Speaker 1: bungled and they've gotten complaints and people are starting to say,
31:48
Speaker 1: what the hey. Whether it's the coroner's office, I don't
31:52
Speaker 1: know what the problem is, but I know this. It
31:55
Speaker 1: is a bad sign when the Age takes your case
31:59
Speaker 1: away another but everything else, I agree with you. I'm
32:06
Speaker 1: very curious about other people that have passed away. I
32:13
Speaker 1: recently learned that I believe it was Laurie Valo's sister
32:18
Speaker 1: died under suspicious circumstances many years ago. I mean, the
32:23
Speaker 1: more I look into her background, the more dead bodies
32:28
Speaker 1: I find. I mean, Laurie Valo's older sister, Stacy Lynn
32:32
Speaker 1: Cox Cope, died age thirty one. Very few details known
32:37
Speaker 1: about her death and the cod is unclear. And now
32:43
Speaker 1: renewed interest in her sister's death. I mean, help me
32:47
Speaker 1: count up the dead people. Let's think this thing through
32:51
Speaker 1: LEVI page. How many dead bodies do we have now?
32:54
Speaker 1: And we're not saying she's responsible for all of these,
32:57
Speaker 1: but dead bodies connected to Laurie Valo, so called occult mom,
33:02
Speaker 1: and I take responsibility for that Moniker. So we've got
33:06
Speaker 1: the dead sister Stacy Lyncox Cope, no cod brother. Yes, hey,
33:12
Speaker 1: let's go in chronological order. Let's make it harder. Let's
33:15
Speaker 1: go in chronological order. You've got the dead sister back
33:19
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. Then you've got Joseph Ryan. That was
33:23
Speaker 1: husband number three. I think he died. They claimed a
33:27
Speaker 1: heart attack, but nobody knows because he was cremated so quickly.
33:31
Speaker 1: Then you've got who's next? Would it be her husband? Yes,
33:35
Speaker 1: her husband, Chad day Bell is next. Then I mean,
33:40
Speaker 1: excuse me, Charles Valoe, thank you. Then you've got day
33:44
Speaker 1: Belle's wife, Tammy day Bell. Then you've got yeah, after
33:51
Speaker 1: the brother. Some people say she gets him to shoot
33:54
Speaker 1: her husband, Dad Alex. The brother is dead. So you've
33:58
Speaker 1: got the sister, You've got Joseph Ryan, You've got I'm Valoe,
34:04
Speaker 1: You've got the brother. Alex. Then you've got Tammy day Bell,
34:10
Speaker 1: You've got another relative being shot at, and now are
34:16
Speaker 1: the children in the mix. That's seven bodies, Cheryl McCollum,
34:22
Speaker 1: seven bodies connected to one person. Hold on, Cheryl's down again.
34:27
Speaker 1: I'm having a problem with this, Joe Scott. Seven bodies
34:32
Speaker 1: connected to one woman. Yeah, yeah, it's It's reminds me
34:36
Speaker 1: of the Ten Commandments, where if you didn't have the
34:38
Speaker 1: blood on your door, you know, the angel of death
34:41
Speaker 1: is going to visit you. It's it's striking, you know.
34:43
Speaker 1: And we didn't even really and I know you briefly
34:46
Speaker 1: mentioned it, but we talked about these attempts that had occurred.
34:49
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Boudreau was shot at and and not killed,
34:54
Speaker 1: you know. And so there's there is a pattern that
34:57
Speaker 1: is developing here and for people that are investigation and
35:00
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of how we make our living. We
35:02
Speaker 1: look for patterns in these in these events, both in
35:05
Speaker 1: the short term and in a long term. In ploy
35:08
Speaker 1: does she have a track Rerayer? It just goes on
35:10
Speaker 1: and on and on. My question is back to this
35:13
Speaker 1: jurisdictional issue. I think the FEDS are really going to
35:16
Speaker 1: have to step in here and begin to kind of
35:19
Speaker 1: put this together. And what Cheryl had said earlier is
35:22
Speaker 1: key here. And this goes back to y'allowstone. This is
35:25
Speaker 1: federal property. This is federal property. So now you have
35:28
Speaker 1: brought the full weight and force of the federal government
35:32
Speaker 1: into this investigation, and right now I think that's the
35:35
Speaker 1: best thing. Now you're right, Jessica Morgan, You're absolutely correct.
35:38
Speaker 1: All I have to say is this call it mom.
35:40
Speaker 1: Laurie Valla Valo and bond reduction don't mix. I'm locking
35:45
Speaker 1: the doors, I under the bed if this lady walk free.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,