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UN Women: “Dialogue for me, STFU for thee” | HBR Talk 369 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three sixty eight. Actually
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  Speaker 1: I think it's three sixty nine. I may not have
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  Speaker 1: written that correctly there, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's when you that's when you have one
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  Speaker 1: every day You and women dialogue for me, STFU for
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  Speaker 1: the because of course they want men to shut the
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  Speaker 1: fuck up. There's a lot to be talked about and
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to hear it. They don't want to know,
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  Speaker 1: they don't want to care. If they do care, it's
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  Speaker 1: topic and the information that we're going to go over.
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  Speaker 1: So thanks those for that, and tonight we're still looking
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  Speaker 1: into you and women's bullshit. And again I'm going to say,
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  Speaker 1: I know people might get tired of this, but you
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  Speaker 1: have to realize this is an organization that informs the
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  Speaker 1: creation of law and policy worldwide. And you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: we've had that conversation where you know, they don't deserve
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  Speaker 1: to be taken seriously because they're not actually officially part
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  Speaker 1: of the UN and all that they influence the UN.
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  Speaker 1: They influence research that is used by the UN to
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  Speaker 1: influence the creation of law and policy, and they use
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  Speaker 1: research to be in communication with the UN to influence
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  Speaker 1: the creation of law and policy. And they influence all
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  Speaker 1: over Europe. They influence the United States, although probably not
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  Speaker 1: right now, hopefully not right now. But so it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a regular thing. It's not uh, it's not something that
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  Speaker 1: isn't under discussion. Actually, have the wrong screen up right now.
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  Speaker 3: Should we be pushing for like UN men to be
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  Speaker 3: a thing or is it more important to just push
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  Speaker 3: for the UN not being a thing. I should do
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  Speaker 3: this at a Twitter poll, but I'll do it right
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  Speaker 3: right here, right now with our audience. What do you think? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you're doing folks. Do we need a UN men or
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  Speaker 3: do we just not need a UN?
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  Speaker 2: We do not need the UN.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, you know what it would become, It
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  Speaker 1: would become he for she mm hmm. It would absolutely
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  Speaker 1: that's all that's gonna happen with it. It's it's one
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  Speaker 1: of the reasons why I'm of two minds on there.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of m ras have been pushing for
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  Speaker 1: an equivalent to the The US has several agencies, departments
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  Speaker 1: in government organizations basically for women and girls, and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of m r s are pushing for equal in
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  Speaker 1: government representation for men and boys. And if there was
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  Speaker 1: a way to inoculate that against becoming a feminist run
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  Speaker 1: anti male, hey for she demonizing you as me, toxic
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  Speaker 1: masculinities organization, you know, and and and government push I
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  Speaker 1: think maybe it might not be so bad, but honestly
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  Speaker 1: it's not. I don't trust it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there's no way that that is ever going
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  Speaker 4: to happen because, uh, you know, women's victimhood is monopolized.
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  Speaker 4: It's monetized, is actually the word I wanted to say.
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  Speaker 4: And there is no money to be made off of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, protecting men as as we well know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: And it's unfortunate because you know, it just promotes the
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  Speaker 4: idea that men can't be victims of anything, which is
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  Speaker 4: absolutely untrue in every sense.
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  Speaker 2: Of the word.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, yeah, to.
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  Speaker 3: Be victimized for all kinds of reasons. Any people can
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  Speaker 3: be victimized in all manner of ways, for all manner
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  Speaker 3: of reasons. And the idea that a certain demographic can
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  Speaker 3: be victims and another certain demographic cannot be victims completely
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  Speaker 3: fucking wrong headed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 3: Of whatever system of justice we ever called a system
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  Speaker 3: of justice. And I am all for never be victimized
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  Speaker 3: and women will always be victimized. That's it's some ninety
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  Speaker 3: eighty four shit. It's some post apocalyptic bullshit that victimhood
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  Speaker 3: is not something that happens to people. It's something that's
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  Speaker 3: ingrained in their fucking DNA or something like why can't
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  Speaker 3: people see through this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm all for equal recognition and equal representation.
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  Speaker 1: Those things are very important in fact, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: and and you look at some of the ways in
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  Speaker 1: which men are impacted by issues that people consider to
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  Speaker 1: be strictly women's issues, for instance, like domestic violence. When
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  Speaker 1: a man is a victim of domestic violence and he suffers,
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  Speaker 1: not just you know, like people will minimize what women
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  Speaker 1: do in regard to the way that women abuse, right,
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  Speaker 1: And I get this argument from feminists all the time. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's a huge difference between just a slap
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  Speaker 1: across the face and a whole beatdown, Like, have you
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  Speaker 1: ever been in a fight with a woman, Because I have,
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  Speaker 1: and a woman can hand out a whole beatdown and
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't even have to be bigger than you. Right.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, there is an advantage to being the shorter
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  Speaker 1: person in a fight, and it's one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that I noticed in school. You can see this in
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  Speaker 1: Olympic wrestling too. The shorter wrestler has a more solid
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  Speaker 1: stance and because the center of gravity is lower.
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  Speaker 3: Throughout history, there's been slavery, and slaves have almost always
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  Speaker 3: been physically stronger than their masters. Yep, because that you know,
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  Speaker 3: they are sort of trained and designed from birth to
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  Speaker 3: be as strong as possible so that their masters don't
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  Speaker 3: have to be. And you might ask the question, well,
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  Speaker 3: why didn't the slaves rise up? If the slaves were
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  Speaker 3: stronger than their masters, why didn't they rise up? Because
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  Speaker 3: they have been conditioned mentally and psychologically conditioned two love
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  Speaker 3: their masters and no matter what happens. You get a
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  Speaker 3: lot of these Hollywood depictions of slaves as people who
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  Speaker 3: would who would at the drop of a hat, rise
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  Speaker 3: up against their masters the moment they had the chance,
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  Speaker 3: because they could, but they didn't. Because that's how slavery works.
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  Speaker 3: These people have been conditioned do not know what the
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  Speaker 3: fuck to do without their masters.
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  Speaker 1: Like yeah, if you don't understand that, read nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 1: four exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Or and when you watch movies like I think it
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  Speaker 3: was Jango Unchained where some slave master's carriage was upturned,
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  Speaker 3: and so the slaves all went, oh, well now we're free.
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  Speaker 3: Now we're going to beat the ship out of these
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  Speaker 3: people then run off into the jungle. Now that's not
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  Speaker 3: how it worked. Slaves well, like I said, were conditioned
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  Speaker 3: to be slaves. They weren't looking for opportunities to revolt
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  Speaker 3: against their masters. They were conditioned two defend their masters
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  Speaker 3: at any possible point. If anything bad happened to their masters,
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  Speaker 3: they would go, oh, well you have to save whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Slave slavery has never been based on physical attributes. It's
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  Speaker 3: been based on the ability of the masters to psychologically
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  Speaker 3: torture and condition their slaves to not know how to
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  Speaker 3: live without their masters. And you see how this works
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  Speaker 3: with men and women, right, Yes, men are stronger than women,
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  Speaker 3: considerably stronger than women. But they've been conditioned, they've been
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  Speaker 3: they've been forced to believe that they couldn't possibly exist
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  Speaker 3: without their masters, and and we're living with that ship
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  Speaker 3: to this day where men are like, we can't possibly
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  Speaker 3: live without women's. People have done this. They go into
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  Speaker 3: the streets and ask people, and they ask women do
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  Speaker 3: we need They ask women, do we need men? And
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  Speaker 3: they go no, no, of course not all the jobs
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  Speaker 3: they do now it doesn't matter. We can do this
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  Speaker 3: all by ourselves. Whereas if you ask men, do we
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  Speaker 3: need women, they go, oh, yes, of course we do.
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  Speaker 3: Is because of because they give birth. No, it's because
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  Speaker 3: women civilized men, and men don't know what to do
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  Speaker 3: without women telling them what to do. And it's search bollocks,
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  Speaker 3: absolute bollocks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all it takes is essentially raising people with no
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  Speaker 1: education on how to how or to take care of themselves,
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  Speaker 1: how to find for themselves, how to you know, make
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  Speaker 1: them elves able to survive in the world and thrive
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  Speaker 1: in the world. And you have a population that can't
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  Speaker 1: escape slavery. And you know, I'm descended from in part
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  Speaker 1: from the race of people from whom the name slave
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  Speaker 1: was taken. And that's that's one that people don't People
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  Speaker 1: don't like to acknowledge that there were there were slaves
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  Speaker 1: that were not from Africa, right, But the the original
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  Speaker 1: concept existed long long before America existed, long before Europe
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  Speaker 1: was importing Africans. You know, none of none of that
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  Speaker 1: was the origin, the original context of slavery, and throughout
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  Speaker 1: history it's been that way. Allison did a video I
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  Speaker 1: was going to look for it, but I can't think
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  Speaker 1: of the name of it, but it was in her
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  Speaker 1: Threat Narrative series on the Ottoman Empire and the janissaries
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  Speaker 1: and how like the janissaries were slaves. They were not
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  Speaker 1: prestigious citizens with freedom that could just do whatever they want.
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  Speaker 1: They were slaves, but they were given important tasks and
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  Speaker 1: a level of political power, and as a result, they
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  Speaker 1: were comfortable with being slaves, and they thought of themselves
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  Speaker 1: as the caregivers of their masters, right, and they were.
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  Speaker 1: The empire lasted for a huge amount of time and
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  Speaker 1: the system lasted for a huge amount of time because
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  Speaker 1: of that, And I think what really saved the American
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  Speaker 1: system from lasting like that and oppressing people for so
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  Speaker 1: long was the fact that it was so harsh, and
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  Speaker 1: it was so abusive, and it wasn't entirely based on
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  Speaker 1: just you know, teaching the slaves to not be able
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  Speaker 1: to figure out how to live without their masters. It
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  Speaker 1: was domination techniques were used, weaponry and so on, and
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  Speaker 1: so the level of overt abuse was high enough that
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  Speaker 1: it couldn't be forgotten about. And so you at least
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  Speaker 1: had some people trying to get away from it because
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  Speaker 1: they recognized the system they were in and how bad
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  Speaker 1: it was. And you had many people that would have
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  Speaker 1: if they could. But in any case, when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the system between men and Womenkino centrism and the
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  Speaker 1: worldwide promotion of gynocentrism as the only way to live
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  Speaker 1: is very similar to the janissary system. Men are obligated
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  Speaker 1: socially and legally to not only protect and provide for
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  Speaker 1: women under the guise of women and children, but also
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  Speaker 1: to sacrifice themselves doing so to the degree that the
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  Speaker 1: average lifespan. Even in countries where the economy is good
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  Speaker 1: and the medical care system is good, work is safer,
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  Speaker 1: and so on, crime is lower, men still live on
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  Speaker 1: average five years less than women because they are sacrificing themselves.
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  Speaker 1: A working harder they are working longer, they are working
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  Speaker 1: more during the time that they work than women do.
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  Speaker 1: They are doing harder jobs, they're doing more dangerous jobs,
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  Speaker 1: they're dying in more accidents, and they're committing suicide at
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  Speaker 1: a much higher rate than women commit suicide. And before
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  Speaker 1: anybody hops in with the well, women attempt more. The
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  Speaker 1: statistic that says that women attempt more is based on
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  Speaker 1: presuming all instances of self injury that, if carried out
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  Speaker 1: to their fullest potential, could be fatal as suicide attempts.
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  Speaker 1: And I can tell you right now that's bullshit. There
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  Speaker 1: are numerous times when women use threats of suicide as
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  Speaker 1: a tool of manipulation, and there are numerous times when
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  Speaker 1: they use self injury as a tool of manipulation. They
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  Speaker 1: use it. People will use the term cry for help. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it's a cry for help if you have a mental
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  Speaker 1: health condition. It's not a cry for help if you're
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  Speaker 1: using it to get somebody to feel sorry for you
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  Speaker 1: so they'll do what you want, right, And there are
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  Speaker 1: many instances of that that are being counted in with
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  Speaker 1: you know, oh, women attempt more. Women don't attempt more.
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  Speaker 1: Women pretend to attempt more. But with that said, when
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  Speaker 1: you get back to where we were going with this,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. It's not trivia either. I wish it was.
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  Speaker 1: I really wish the organization you and women was as
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  Speaker 1: skiv radicalization and the claims they make here about the
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  Speaker 1: to this Institute for Strategic Dialogue which I've linked to
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to look at a little bit today,
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  Speaker 1: and the last paragraph about what they are doing. They're
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  Speaker 1: studying the connections between online misogyny and radicalization so they
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  Speaker 1: can better respond to risks and prevent violence against leomen.
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  Speaker 1: So they are associating.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody asks if I did a shorter series on
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  Speaker 1: DEI or rebranding, as I didn't do a whole series necessarily,
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  Speaker 1: but we've discussed it a bit. But yeah, at Kirsha
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  Speaker 1: is really somebody that has has discussed this extensively. Brian
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  Speaker 1: has discussed it on several episodes as well, like this
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  Speaker 1: has been something that we we've all talked about. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've been I've been watching that YouTuber a little bit
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  Speaker 1: here and there when I get a chance, and she's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: she's she's got a lot of interesting things to say.
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  Speaker 1: So and I think she got lam based on X
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  Speaker 1: for a while for I think just saying that men
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  Speaker 1: are not evil, like some really mundane statement. That's that
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  Speaker 1: that h like I've I've been a lot more bitchy
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  Speaker 1: toward feminists in you know, so I expect to get
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  Speaker 1: that kind of like pushback, and I do. But she
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  Speaker 1: said something completely innocuous. I can't even remember what it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was so benign that it didn't stick in my
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  Speaker 1: head as as a statement that anybody should have gotten
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  Speaker 1: up in arms about. And and like, not only did
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  Speaker 1: X explode with hatred toward her, but she got docked
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  Speaker 1: and she got heckled for weeks by some asshole that
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  Speaker 1: was making account after account to get around blocks and
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  Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. It was quite a ridiculous response, really,
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, in any case, so we are going back
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  Speaker 1: to the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, the war speech platform,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. So remember last week we looked here is
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  Speaker 1: at the website for the Institute for a Strategic Dialogue,
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  Speaker 1: And remember we looked at They're what we do page
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  Speaker 1: and it had a whole bunch of sections, but no
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  Speaker 1: actual it didn't link to anything. But this is essentially
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  Speaker 1: their front page. And this is where they have the report.
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  Speaker 1: And I opened the report and we are here at
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  Speaker 1: the report, and what I had been looking at before
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  Speaker 1: was definitions. But there's some interesting there's some other interesting
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  Speaker 1: stuff here that we should be looking at. And they
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  Speaker 1: have a plan. So before we get back into the definitions,
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  Speaker 1: I'm i gotta show you guys this plan, right, So
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  Speaker 1: it says a whole bunch of bullshit, and then in
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  Speaker 1: this context, the paper asserts that researching and mitigating the
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: risks of OGBV so OGBV oh GBV.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: What is hell?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: This is one of the most ridiculous labels. All Right,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: online gender based violence?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ. Yeah, okay, here we go.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: You know that that one time I got beat to
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: death by somebody's laptop. I got better. She turned me
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: into a pile of good. Yeah. Online online where you
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: don't have to be online, where you can't you literally
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: cannot touch somebody on the internet. You cannot physically touch
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: somebody on the internet. I can't reach through my computer
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: screen and grab the person at the other end and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: shake them. Believe me, there are many times when I
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: would well yelling so stupid, But no, you can't do
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: that because you're across the country or across the world
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: from each other. You're not in the same room, you're
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: not connected. There's not a portal there that you can
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: stick your hand through. If you do put your hand
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: through the screen of your computer, it's gonna hurt. But yeah, online,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: I can't take this seriously. I have to take this
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: seriously because they're gonna make one policy out of this
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: online gender based violets not gonna they do they I
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: believe they already have, you know.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And it's just.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Again like I said last week, it's just the trust
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: in safety board that they had on Twitter when it
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: was still called Twitter. This this is that's where this
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: whole thing I believe was generated from, you know, And
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: it's it's not going away anytime soon, unfortunately, I don't believe,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: But we need to know how to how to swat
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: these flies.
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Because they're everywhere, and it's it's it's.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: As Manga says in our rumble chat, point to where
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: the text message touched you, it touched me right here.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: In my DMS, it's going to get to the point
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: where this counts as rape, to the point where a
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: man saying something spicy to a woman counts as rape. Meanwhile,
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: anything a woman does to a man does not count
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: as rape. I mean, depending on what state you live
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: in or what nation state you live in. And I
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: happen to live in one of those nation states where
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: nothing a woman can ever do to a man, or
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: a woman or a child ever counts as rape, never
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: mind violence. But I will disagree with what you're saying
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: counts as rape and violence.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: But but but I should highlight I should, you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: we should bring up the fact that there was a
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: fourteen year old girl who was trying to defend her
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: and her twelve year old sister from some obviously native
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Scottish guy.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that acient, totally Scottish, and.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: She's the one that got put in jail, you know, because.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: The Bulgarian who has been in the country for four
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: years is not an immigrant, I'll have you know.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, yes, four years, Yes, that makes you born
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: here right indeed, Jesus Pete.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: And both way that in that instance was largely instigated
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: by a woman, by the Bulgarian wife of this bulgarian
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: totally not immigrant, but no one's talking about that. No
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: one's talking about how any of this is instigated by
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: women immigrant women. No one even talks about immigrant women.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Everyone goes on about how these are all fighting age men.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: No they're not. Some of them are women and children,
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: and those women and children fucking hate us just as
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: much as the fighting age men do.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Women.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: If you if you ever talk to some of these
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: female immigrants, they'll they'll they'll fucking tell you, and you're
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: you're all white supremacists, and you deserve everything you get.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: It's just that I'm gonna point my man in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: direction of you white supremacists, and it's not my fault.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: It's never a woman's fault when she uses a man
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: as a weapon, especially not if she's an immigrant woman.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Like people do not understand this, honestly, they really don't.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Many times I've seen women argue that when women use
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: men for proxy violence, it's the man's fault for doing
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: what the woman wanted him to. Right, But what was
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the first thing out of women's mouths when this incident happened,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and that video of that girl backing away from a
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: man with a camera going, don't fucking touch us in
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: brandishing weapons. What was one of the first things out
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: of women's mouths all over?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Why aren't the men doing something?
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: And it's not where are all the men?
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: It's not just it's not just women, it's perked men.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: You do this as well. And I don't even know
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: what the collective word for it is not feminist, is
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: not leftist, it's we don't have the sufficient vocabulary to
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: describe this. Because it happens natively among natives, it happens
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: among immigrants. Men send sorry, women send their men to
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: fight their battles for them.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: There are really only two of them in the world.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: This is this is it all right, guys? This is
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: this is wisdom dropping right here. There are two nations
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: in the world. You were either part of one or
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you are part of the other. Either you are part
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of Kakistan or you are part of Kakistan. Which is it?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And by that I mean either you know better, you
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: don't ask where are all the men? You recognize what's
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: going on, and you respond to it, and you use
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: humor to get through it, but you still take it seriously,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: or you think that the burden should always be on
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the men. You think that everything should be on men's shoulders.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: You think that if a woman cries for help, she
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: must be a victim, right, just because if a woman
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: is a victim, she will cry for help. And yeah,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: not that there's a contest, but points for anybody who
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: can name that fallacy where you reverse your logic there.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: But Allison made a very good point on Twitter that
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: it's very likely that that incident took place in one
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: of what we call man deserts.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: We have whole high rises of of of single woman
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: families because the men have just been pushed out of
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: those families, even if they wanted to, wanted to raise
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: the children with all their hearts, the women just told
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: them no, fuck off. And that's why we have the
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: what we call man deserts. These these areas of of
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: high rise residences whether where there's pretty much no men
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: like at.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: All, because these.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: These are yeah, these are the housing facilities that are
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: given to any woman who wants to raise her children
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: by herself, no matter how uh, no matter how attentive
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: are they're just like, we don't we don't want men
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: in our lives and we don't have to have men
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: in our lives because we can get the government to
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: deal with that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: In the US, the equivalent would be Section aid housing.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the Canadian equivalent is, but yeah.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: You've got these man deserts where there are no men
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: except immigrant men because they're living in the hotel down
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: the fucking road. Where are all the men. They're not
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: fucking allowed to be there. They've been fucking kicked out
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: of these communities and and and told and told to
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: go fuck off and live in a small flat by
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: themselves and work their ass off for the rest of
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: their lives. So, yeah, they where are the men elsewhere?
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: The women wanted them to be elsewhere because they just
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: don't want men in their lives. They just want to
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: raise their keys by themselves with a lot of help
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: from the government. And they go, who who help me
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: raise my keys?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Government?
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: The government is going to help you raise your kids,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: and they're not going to fucking help you when they
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: get attempted raped by all these totally not Bulgarian Bulgarians.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I got an answer for the ladies, right,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and not for the kids, because the kids didn't do
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: anything to deserve this. They're just born into this situation.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Hopefully they will turn it around because they'll realize what
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a bad situation it is. But a lot of this
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: is generational. They get raised in it and then they perpetuated.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: But ladies, adult ladies that are out there going, where
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: are all the men? You know what? Tell it to
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: the bear? Yeah?
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Fuck, yeah, it's just ridiculous. You you created this entire
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: problem because you wanted you to have your own way,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: and now you got it, and you don't like the
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: concent sequences that came with those decisions.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, I am.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I am playing the world's smallest fucking violin, you know.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: And yes, mother, there will be a song upcoming.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yes, we are working on it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just it's just it it. And they
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: they seem so unaware of how these things happen.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: And oh my god, well, oh but we're women and
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: we should be protected.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Well, who the fuck do you think is supposed to
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: protect you? Ladies?
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: You threw your natural self defense out of the house
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: when you decided to opt for the government assistance, and
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: and how good are they at assisting you?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Sorry, Uh, your call is very important to us. Please
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: hang on.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Oh wait, you defended yourself from from adults chasing you
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: down with a camera. Kid, you're under arrest. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: like what fucking adults chase a twelve year old with
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: a camera?
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, you know, we don't. I guess we
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: don't know enough about the situation. I apparently might leave
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: a little bit more.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: But if she wasn't stealing the hub cabs off of
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: their car or or physically assaulting them in a moment,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: they have no business even whipping out that camera. But
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: once she's backing off and running away from them, they
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: absolutely have no business pursuing her.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Usually these things are usually filmed by uh passive byes
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: who happened to see it and happened to whip the
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: camera out and go, oh, this is going to be
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: incriminating for someone else, and I think this is what
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: happened this time.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But like, no, thele that man was filming Actually.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it could only have been filmed by this Bulgarian question,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: by this Bulgarian couple in question, And presumably it was
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: them who uploaded it to the internet because they because
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: they thought it was going to work out well for them.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: They thought it was going to be like look at
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: these Scottish kids attacking us with with with with knives
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: and hatchets. This is this is a perfect example of
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: how oppressed we are as totally not Bulgarian immigrants. They
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: they uploaded the evidence that incriminated them, and at the
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: same time, I'm like, I'm trying not to just side
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: with the girls just because they're girls in the same
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: way I'm not. I'm trying. I'm trying not to side
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: with the immigrants just has their immigrants. But as we've
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: seen over the past few days, this is native girls
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: and immigrant anyone's jockeying for position at the top of
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: the progressive stack while everyone blames British men for everything
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: that's going on. Now, this is this is white girls
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and brown men fucking trying to see who has the
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: best victim points, who has the best oppression points, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: who gets blamed for it us fucking white British men
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: or because they know they can do this. This is
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: a fucking game they play, fucking white women and brown men.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: And it's just like that's that's we we we we
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: all want to be the top of the stack, we
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: all want to have the maximum victim points, and we're
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: all just gonna see what we can do to force
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: British men to do what we want them to do,
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: either defend white girls or defend brown men. They're sort
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: of that's all they're interested in. It's the that who
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: what can British men do for us? That's that's what
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: they're both saying, like we're trying to rape, We're trying
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: to hack each other to death with hatchets and machetes,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: and like what are you British men going to do
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: for for us? And like we were never involved. This
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: is women and immigrants fucking fucking fighting each other for
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: the throne. And the reason they can get away with it,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the only reason they can get away with it is
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: because they have a peasant class to exploit along the way.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Like who do you favor Western men, fucking Western women
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: or Eastern men. I'm at this point where I'm like, fuck,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: fucking go for it, fucking hack at each other with hatchets, knives,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: go for it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I'm your bloody you're fucking.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, yeah, no, fucking kill each other. I'm
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: sick of it. Fucking kill each other. I'm not going
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: to jump in to try and save anyone. We've seen
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: what happens. We've seen the fucking Daniel Perry bullshit. Why
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: do you jump in a saved because we'll get arrested,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: because we'll get arrested, thrown in prison for fucking three
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: years and with it.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: That is, if you don't get killed in the process,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: right right, because you are you are dealing with people
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: who are coming from a violent environment, which means that
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: they are more practiced at violence than you are. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: someone is more practiced at violence than you are, whether
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: it's in aggression or self defense, if they decide they're
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: going to attack you, they already have an advantage. But
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I have to point out, because this is something that
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: isn't talked about very much. The majority of victims in
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the UK of these kinds of violent acts, not this
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: specifically being chased down and filmed, but the increased violence
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: that has been taking place in conjunction with the mass
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: migration that has been taking place. The bigger set of
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: victims has actually been boys. It's just not getting discussed.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: And I you know, shout out to Lisa britten on
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: X for pointing that out, because she did, and you know,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: there's been people talking about it now under her thread
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and Interestingly, she's getting some pushback because it's like, oh,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: what about the men's what about the men's But the
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: reality is if it's happening to them more, then yeah,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: it is something that you should be asking, Hey, what
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: about this? This is this is important too. This is
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: something that is actually a bigger deal. And because they're
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: not getting the sympathy and compassion that girls are getting,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: which is lower than it should be considering the situation.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: You know, they're really not getting the help that they need.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: They're not getting protection, they're not getting assistance as crime victims.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: They're just getting the shaft and in more ways than one,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and and that that does need to be talked about.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: That is an important factor and it is something that
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: tells you a lot about society that just the the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: bringing that up, the act of bringing up that that
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is happening gets people angry. You know, why are you
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: deflecting from what's happening to girls. You can't have sympathy
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: for kids of both sexes, you know, And if if
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: X girl was a boy, would you just not care
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: about the situation?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: No, they would be, they would be.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: There would be rounds of applause for him going to jail.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: If that was a boy, you know, they would be
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: they would do everything in their power to make sure
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: that he gets the maximum sentence, you know, because how
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: dare you do that?
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, he must be a racist.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: You would be just another violent British boy carrying weapons
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: around when you hurt somebody.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that the little girl was arrested.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I don't know how it's.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: How it's possible arrest of I think she was a
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: fourteen year old girl for doing for doing that sort
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: of thing. But even even after that happened, everyone blamed
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: men for it. Like, yeah, men get blamed, Native men
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: get blamed for the crimes of everyone else. And yeah
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: that does include little little white girls brandishing deadly weapons.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: That is a crime. It is technically a crime. I
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: don't like that it is, but it's Britain and you're
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: not even allowed to walk around with a fucking spoon
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: or a potato peeler and it's technically a crime. And
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: and yes, this this little girl did get arrested and
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: could go on to get prosecuted whatever.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: That he could.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, the international community is blaming
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: men for this, That's what I mean. Yea, even when
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: women commit crimes or little girls commit crimes, men get
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: blamed for it. When brown men commit crimes, we fucking
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: British men get blamed for it, like these two demographics
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: jockeying for the top of the progressive stack. No matter
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: what they do, Native men get blamed for it. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: that maybe this is why the situation isn't improving, because
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: you'll blame anyone but the people fucking doing these.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Crimes, m or the government or the governments that are
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: allowing this type of thing to fucking happen in the
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: first place.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: True, true, And of course it's it's not like it's instrumental. Right,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: If they allow this kind of thing to happen and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: then they allow people to be in a situation where
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: they have to respond to it or get get harmed
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: in some way or another, Uh, that's not instrumental for
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: them to, you know, have these situations that they can
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: then turn around and say we're going to pass a law.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, yeah it is.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: In fact, when they don't have one, they make shit up,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: create fictional stories and uh, run four part series on
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Netflix and then talk about them in Parliament like the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: incident really happened. Albatross gave us five dollars and said,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: what are the Migraines? I hope that was the top
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: of typo, but if it wasn't, that was glorious. What
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: are the Migraines offering to the UK government that makes
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: throwing kids under the bus worth it? Well, first of all,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: what you have to understand is those aren't the government's
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: kids and they don't care. So those kids to them,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: those are pawns or lower than ponds. They are disposable.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: They can be used for whatever purpose they want the
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: government wants, all right, And these types of incidents it's
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: much like mass shootings in the United States, including mass
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: shootings violent crime in the United States, which is presumed
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: to be one of the most violent countries in the world,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: even though there's no a civil war going on here
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: that well, there is, but it's not the level of
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: civil war that is in nations where you have constant
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: gunfire in the streets and and you know, people fleeing
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the country to get away from it and stuff like that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: It's it's mostly memes on the internet and the occasional
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: peaceful protest where the left burns down some neighborhood because
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: they're mad. About something that didn't happen there, which makes
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: all of the sense in the world if you are
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: an American.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: But including.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Mass shootings, all right, a fraction of one percent of
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: the US population commits violent crimes. It's something like something
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: like seven tenths of one percent commits violent crimes here.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: So the idea that it's a uh gloriously violent place, well,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: it depends on what city you go to, what neighborhood,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and what city. If you're not in one of the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: neighborhoods where people are killing each other over their sneakers
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: or drugs, then you're you're not gonna see it, right,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: But these types of incidents are exploited by the government,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: by the establishment media, by in general, the establishment entertainment media,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and uh you know, social media everything as a as
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: a means to facilitate narratives that then go on to
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: facilitate legislation, getting legislation passed that takes away some civil
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: right that up until that point was valued and protected,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you couldn't get people to give
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: it up. But then you know, some kid who has
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: been failed by every adult in his life explodes outward
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: instead of imploding and instantly you have every talking head
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: on social media. This is the inanimate object is to blame.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the culture. It has
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the lack of good parenting. It
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with problems in the education system,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with any victimization this person might
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: have experienced. This person hasn't been you know, programmed. This
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: person didn't start out mentally ill. You know, no, it's
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the inanimate object that caused this problem. And therefore, even
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: though you didn't commit this crime, we want to take
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: away your ability to possess this inanimate object. And you
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: know that worked in the UK, and it's worked in
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: numerous countries Australia, Australia, yep, New Zealand. You know that's
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: all over the world. There are countries where people have said, yeah, well,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: we'll give up our ability to defend ourselves as somebody
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: breaks into our homes. We'll give up our ability to
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: defend ourselves if an angry mob comes to our community
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: and starts setting everything on fire. And now you're in
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a situation where little kids, twelve year old kid is
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: getting arrested for defending against being aggressively pursued and filmed
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: by two adults, and I don't care what happened before that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: If you're an adult and the person that you're mad
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: at is twelve, and that person is backing away from
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: you and trying to escape the situation, and you chase
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that person down and get right up in their face
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: with a camera, you are the aggressor. There is something
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: wrong with you. That is a kid. If that person
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: backs away, you back away. If that person is trying
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: to extract themselves from the conflict, you shut the fuck
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: up and back off. And if you really feel like
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: something needs to be done because this is an unruly
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: child or whatever, you call the cops. That's it. That's
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: all you do. You don't grab, you don't film, you
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: don't reach out, you don't chase, like unless, like I said,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: unless they stole something from you or assaulted you. You
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: have no business doing that. That's a kid, that's somebody
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: else's kid. You know, this situation will be if that
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: had been my kids in that situation, there would have
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: been blood.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: And like this is the epitome of victim blaming m hm.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: You know, feminists love to, you know, use that terminology.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: And this is actually a situation where it applies, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: and no, what are we doing. We're finding that they
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: are bending over backwards trying to find ways to blame
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: men for this situation.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And and you know, while you know, the.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Person that she was running away from was obviously a man,
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: you know, he is the one that is to blame,
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: and no one wants that. We just don't kim. Yes, yeah,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: see that's the thing.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm I've seen and heard
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: from several people closer to the situation has been that
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: this was initiated and pushed by the wife, and so
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: this was proxy violence. And I'm sure that if he
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: hadn't done what he did, he probably would have gotten
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: earful from her. Not that it excuses him, not that
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: it excuses his behavior at all.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: But they probably weren't even attempting to rape us actually
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: assault these girls. They just hope not I hope couples.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Well don't, Well, couples don't because that that does happen.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I think they were probably filming them because they were like,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: look at these Scottish girls, fucking wondering one of them
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: is wearing booty shorts, Like.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Well, the.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Come out the story that has come out is that
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: there was a conflict between the woman and the mother,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: the immigrant woman and the mother, and it escalated into
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: involving the three girls. Which yeah, that's that's the other thing.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: If those have been my kids, they would have been
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: behind me. So there's some criticism I have there, and
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: I have no idea where that mother was in that moment,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: but she wasn't in the video, so yeah, it's uh,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it just this.
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: Was just a Bulgarian couple just wandering around Dundee. I don't
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: know why the what the fuck they're doing in Dundee,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: but they saw some Scottish girls and they went, let's
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: film them. Let's let's see what they do. Oh no,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: they look, they look defensive. Oh ship, one of them
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: just pulled out can, machete and hatchet. This is this
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: is awesome on the internet and it's going to go viral.
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think they were trying to can rape anyone,
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: not that there aren't a bunch of immigrants trying to
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: rape everyone, even from Bulgaria. I think Bulgaria is a
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: largely was a country at this point. A lot of
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: Southeast European countries are majority.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: So they might have just been trying to shame them
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: for not being not being they.
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: Got the footage they were looking for. They were like,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: these Scottish girls are needlessly defensive while on Earth are
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: they carrying these weapons? What motive could they possibly have
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: for carrying these weapons? They must have?
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the bottom line is you don't go around filming
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: other people's kids, all.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: Right, So so if if I can, if I could,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: just you know, I'm working off of assumption here and
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: based off of what she said.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: She said she she's fucking twelve years old and you
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: battered me.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: So I would assume from listening to that that there
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: had been a previous interaction between the two, maybe not
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: with the wife but with the man, and you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: maybe he assaulted them before. You know, it doesn't seem
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: like this was the first time that they had an interaction.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: And according to the Gifts and Go the couple both
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: assaulted the fourteen year old the older girl. So that's
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: there's a there's actually let me see if I can
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: find it, and I will.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would really love to see that because you know, everybody,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: you know, we watched it on another channel, and you know,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: they couldn't understand.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: The Scottish accent.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sitting here like I can clearly understand what
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: she's saying. She's saying, you know, my sister, she's twelve,
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: She's she's fucking twelve years old, and you battered me,
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: you know. So it gave to me, It gave the
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: impression that that exactly what I just said, that there
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: was a previous interaction someone had assaulted her.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: There is an account esthetica on on X that is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: close to the family posted a link to the Gibson
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: go I'm going to I've got it on my desktop computer.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: My way of transfer forering it is. I'm going to
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: post it in our chat and then then I'll open
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: it on the screen. But let's see here.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: They do have migrant hotels in Scotland. By the way,
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: I talked about this not even last year, like earlier
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: this year, that even in small towns in Scotland they
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: have what we call migrant Yeah, they have them here.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not gonna docs my family has to
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: exactly where in Scotland they live. But it's yeah, it's
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: in a not particularly urban region of Scotland, and Dundee
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: is not a particularly urban region of scot it's quite
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: far north, quite far into the the wasteland that is
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: the north of Scotland. But yeah, I even even up
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: in the wastelands of northern Scotland, they have migrant hotels.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: Like all over the country there are hotels are just
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: being filled with the with these foreign rapists let's call
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: them what they are. And and and yeah, people are
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: start people are starting to feel it. And I guess
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: in the same way people are on their guard even
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: if people haven't been raped yet.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, there's also you.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Should be on your guard to prevent the rapes from
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: happening in the first place. And that's probably why parents
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: are telling their children to be on the lookout for
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: these foreign rapists.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: There's also there's also another contributing factor that can happen
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: that can make you defensive when you're approached by a
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: couple of people or more. And that is how they
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: approach right, and somebody's you know, walks up to you
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: with more of a you know, friendly posture where they're
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: just standing there, maybe they have their their hands in view,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: they're not filming you, and and they're they're asking, you
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: know a question, Hey, can you tell me how to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: get to you know, burger joint with whatever name down
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: down this neighborhood somewhere that I must beat on the
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: wrong street whatever. Like. That's that's one thing, right, But
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: if a couple of people approach you and they're filming,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: and maybe they split up and one is a little
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: bit distant from the other one so that they're flanking
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: you or anything like that, you get defensive, especially if
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: they are you know, any they have anything in common
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: with people that have been aggressive towards you in the past.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: And my understanding from reading the conversation that took place
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: under the post that I just clicked on to get
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: to this esthetic as posts, they've been attacked by migrants before,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: they've had problems. This isn't their first rodeo with Michaels,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: so they have have experienced some aggression in the past,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: and like I've I can sympathize with that, right because,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: like I said, I grew up in a neighborhood where
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: this was fighting like that was not abnormal. Having an
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: axe and a knife was abnormal. You know. We just
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: used our fists most of the time or big sticks
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Although I did have somebody somebody hit me
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: in the eye with a rock once. But but there
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: was there was one day that I ended up in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: a fight in another community with like five or six
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: other girls. And the reason that I knew a fight
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: was coming was because when they started to approach me,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: they fanned out so that none of them was within
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: you know, two feet of the other, and except for
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: the first two in front of directly in front of me,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: they stood too close together, and that was kind of
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: their downfall. But they sort of half surrounded me. And
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: you know when somebody starts doing that that they are
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: not planning to ask you directions to a burger joint
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: down the street. Uh right, So it depends. We don't
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: know how these girls were approached, but their reaction doesn't
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: indicate that they were merely asked for directions or some
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: innocent shit like that. So, according to the Gifts and Go,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: while walking in their local community, they were accosted by
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: two adult foreign nationals. And the age is here, all right,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: Lola twelve, that's the girl with the I believe with
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: the axes.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: No, I think that was the one with the little
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: shorts on. Because the.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: One that had the weapons on weapons a knife and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: a hatchet on her. She was obviously the older sister
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: or the older sisters. I didn't I didn't real her sister.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: Oh was really Yeah, the older sister was yelling there
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: she's twelve, leave her alone. She's twelve. But uh yeah.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: And the pictures, I love all the pictures and everything.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: They have her in a very aggressive stance here though,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: And if you see the video, she's standing sort of
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: hunched forward and holding the weapons in front of her.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: And I mean it's a it's a stance that shows
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: intent to use the weapons, but it's not an aggressive stance.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: It's a fearful stance mm hm. And you know I've
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: seen that stance before too, like up close and personal.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: So I wasn't always alone when I got into fights
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: when I was growing up. A lot of times that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: was there was a friend there with me or my
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: brother would be with me. And yeah, that that's that's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: a very familiar stance, and it's it's her stance was
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: not this stance. This is beautiful, but it's not what happened.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: This was this was a scared kid. And like I said,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: if this was a boy, I'd be saying the same thing.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: If this was a boy, the outcome probably would have
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: been significantly worse. Oh yeah, The adults might have even
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: felt like they could get away with engaging in violence
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: and not just aggression. So it says they were accosted
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: by two adult foreign nationals. The foreign nationals were directing
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: inappropriate sexual remarks at Lola. When Lola and her sister
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: told the migrants to leave them alone and go away,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Ruby was viciously attacked by the adult female, yanked to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: the ground by her hair, and both migrants ceded to
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: kick Ruby in the head on the ground. Seeing her
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: sister being beaten senselessly on the ground, a Lola retrieved
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: an axe and a knife and bravely scared off the attackers.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Seeing her sister, this is when the foreign national decided
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: to film the aftermath, which went viral on social media.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: In the video, you can hear Lola telling the attackers
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: to go away and leave her sister alone. Ruby was
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: hospitalized after the attack with a severe concussion, a tennis
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: ball sized lump on the back of her head, as
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: well as lots of bruises. Unfortunately, rather than arrest the
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: attackers the total, the local police decided to arrest Lola instead.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: By the way, female police chief, female second in command yep.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: And we set up this campaign because, like millions of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: others who saw the video and have now heard Lola
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: and Ruby's story, we were astonished at the incredible bravery
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: from such a young child. She became the hero for
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a nation that has that for too long, has seen
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: their cries of help go unheard. And of course Lola
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: fearlessly stood her own, stood on her own, standing up
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: to her sister's attackers. And now she needs help stand
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: up to the corrupt law establishment that would rather go
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: after victims than hold migrants accountable for their crimes. So
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: the only thing that I would correct is obviously she
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't fearless, she was courageous. And there is a difference, right, Yes,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: fearlessness means that you're not smart enough to know when
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: you're in danger, okay, But courage is when you do
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: shit that needs to get done, even when you're scared
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: out of your mind. Like that's courage being being fucking
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: ready to pass out scared and still doing what needs
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: to be done, knowing that you can get hurt, knowing
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: that you're probably going to suffer some sort of consequences
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: for what you're doing and doing it anyway because you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: can't abide the consequences of not doing it. Yeah, courage
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: runs into a fire because they value what's in there
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: more than they are worried about the pain from getting burned,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: not because they don't think they will. But in any case,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: So where all of this leads back to, right, we
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: have all this talk about online violence against Here we
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: are talking about real life violence against a real life
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: person who happens to be a girl. But from the
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: statistics that I'm hearing out of the UK, there had
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: it's it was this kind of thing is happening more
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: to boys, uh than than to girls, and they're less
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: they're less protected in terms of being able to defend themselves,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: being allowed to defend themselves. Right, but this discussion about
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: online gender based violence is part of an effort to
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: silence criticism of policy that you know, essentially it's its
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: goal is to reduce your due process rights and to
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: take your money to fund organizations that don't necessarily do
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: anything to benefit the people that they are claiming to help.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: And so my big problem with it is it gets
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: used for all the wrong reasons. You can't talk about
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: this stuff because that's online gender based violence. You can't
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: criticize when people like the female and the couple start
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: fights with children and then drag their their husband into it.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: Can't do that, So you know that's that's that's violent.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Criticizing this woman that did this is violent, and of
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: course criticizing this man for going along with it is
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: is violent too because it's racist. Right, But you know,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: he's obviously so coocked that he did he lost all
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: of his judgment, Like what man doesn't know that if
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you chase down a kid and you're filming a kid,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: that you're going to get pushed back from the locals.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: I don't believe there's any culture anywhere in the world
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that the local population wouldn't respond badly to that, or
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: at least angrily. Right, But this this paragraph, in this context,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the paper asserts that researching and mitigating the risks of
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: online gender based violence can enable earlier warning of an
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: intervention in misogynistic pathways two different forms of violent extremism.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: So what do I mean here? We want to police
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: what people are saying on the internet because we believe
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that this speech connects people with other people who might
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: have the same objections to the same policy overreaches, and
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: if they band together and make those objections in mass,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: we're in trouble retigating that any mitigation of risks must
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: come in support of users' fundamental rights, including their right
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: to privacy and freedom of expression. The paper proposes the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: following key recommendations. So here's what they want to do
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: to your social media so that you don't talk about
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: incidents like this in a way that might challenge the
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: power of your national governments to create more circumstances like this.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: First of all, they want to access publicly available data
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: for public interest research. So they want the systematic collection
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: of publicly available data via access to application programming interfaces,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: which would be X dot com is an application. The
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: programming interface would be the programming that that allows you
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: to use X to communicate with other people. So they
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: want access to the publicly available data that comes from
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: your interactions. But in any case it can help, it
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: says digitalth, no graphic and other research methods. We just
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: went from gender based violence to f no graphic. Mm hmm.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, we're no longer talking about
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: gender or we might be. But I kind of suspect
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: that This is eventually going to become a you can't
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: talk about you can't talk about migrants in your country saying,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: but look at how that wedge works. Women and girls
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: are in danger. We have to do this research. We
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: got to figure out how to protect women and girls
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: from online virus or violence. And by the way, don't
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: say anything about the illegal migration into your country, because
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: you're bad if you do that.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: Ethnographic violence that happens as a result.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ethnographic By the ways, it's sort of a study
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: or description, a scientific way of talking about various nationalities,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: various people from the perspective of looking at like what's
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: their culture, what is there? What are there, what's their ethnicity?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: What is there? Well, what is their culture? Basically what
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: do they do? What's different between them? And say the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: next group of people. But uh, and so so it
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: really is. It's not it's a jump from misogyny to
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: to uh talking about this and and and they did
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: it so smoothly in this one paragraph, right, and and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the next thing is, platforms should enable access to continuous
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: real time or near real time searchable APIs to allow
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: vetted researchers. Okay, we have to stop there for a second,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: vetted meaning feminist approved you and women approved you know,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: or ID global approved. Right, So where are we here again?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: The Institute for Strategic Dialogue. Institute for Strategic Dialogue approved researchers.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: And remember we looked last week at their goals and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: their their interests, and they are woke, so woke approved researchers.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: In other words, they aren't going to be letting Alice
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Alex Jones look at this stuff, right. They aren't going
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: to be let let let any of the journalists that
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: say Newsmax or Fox News or any of the newer
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: right wing media that has cropped up. They're not going
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: to be looking at it. They're not going to get
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: access to this until it's published. Nope. Uh, real time
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: searchable APIs to allow vetted, woke, vetted researchers.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because anyone else might actually tell the truth.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I bet they won't even make this available
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: to Pew Research mm hmmm, because they're not woke. They're
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: neutral to allow these researchers to study the evolving tactics
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: and forms of online online gender based violence. I ain't
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: gonna gag every time you say that. As well as
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: the links between online misogyny, radicalization pathways, and violent extremism.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: So we're back to We're back to misogyny, guys. And
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: as we go through here, they're gonna flip back and forth. Right,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: This is about using that little wedge you know, Tap
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: tap tap, let's open up your boundary there and get
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: you to accept we need this invasiveness, We need this,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: We need to be studied and how we talk to
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: each other and labeled for how we talk to each
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: other to protect the women so that nobody can criticize
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the great replacement that's not happening. Right. Yeah. For example,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: such access could support longitudinal studies of in group gender
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: norms and behaviors over time. Meaning they will talk about
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: how red pill communities prefer the leave it to beaver life,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and and consider that to be tradition. And
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: they will talk about how maybe the men's rights community
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: has started talking about maybe bring back dowry for a
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: lot of different reasons including you actually start out better
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: in a marriage if you start that marriage with a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: nest egg, and well, the guy is tasked with spending
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: all of his money dating, like the gal has an
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: opportunity to actually save up some money and bring that
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: nest egg in it would be a very beneficial thing.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Like if ore family had started out that way, my
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: husband to me, things would have been one hundred times
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: easier for us. We went through some tough times because
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: we were broke all the time. But if instead of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: basically being an a normal American teenager, I had put
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: maybe three quarters of every paycheck into a trust that
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: couldn't be accessed until I presented a marriage certificate, and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: then once I got married, that was our money to
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: start our family with, things would have been significantly easier.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: My life would probably be longer too. My husband's life
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: would be longer, Like we probably both have taken years
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: off of our life working to make up for not
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: having that. So it's not just a matter of you know,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: treating women like they don't bring any value to the marriage,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: like this is this is something that women could do.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: We live in a time when at the end age
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: of sixteen, a girl can start working and she can
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: make as much as a boy can make at that age.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: She can work as much as a boy can work
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: at that age, and she could build up an est
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: egg and it should be on the girl because it's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: not like back in the day when dowry was a thing,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: where you know the reason for it was because she
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: couldn't work. If you're not married, there's no reason why
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: you can't have a job. If you don't have kids,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: there's no reason why you can't have a job. There's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: no reason why a girl can't work four to six
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: to even eight years before she gets married and sock
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: that cash away and then when she finally ties the knot,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: there's your down payment on a house. Every girl should
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: be getting encouraged to do that. Right, Parents of jen
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Alpha that are listening, you know that your girls aren't
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: old enough to start working yet. Now is the time
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: to start instilling that in their heads, because you know,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: when your kids grow up, you worry like hell. You know,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: they leave the house and they're on their own, and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: you can't protect them anymore because they're making their own decisions,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: because they're adults and they're going through whatever they go through,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: and all you can do is be there as best
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: you can. Wouldn't it be nice if you got your
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: daughter to prepare ahead of time so that the first
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: few years of her married life would not be dead broke,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: and you would not have to worry, and it shouldn't
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: be on mom and dad to do that. If she
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: starts having those habits, starts understanding the value of money
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: by earning it and socking it away and preparing and
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: understanding the value of work by doing the work for that,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: and understanding her value as a laborer, and also understanding
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: the value of not having to do that like, then
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: her decisions after that, her lifestyle after that, everything she
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: does in her adulthood will be affected by that. It
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: will be improved by that. She will be better prepared
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: for the rest of her adult life if you get
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: your daughter prepared to do that before she gets married,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: to build herself a dowry to take into that marriage
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: with her so and yeah, I know, Manka says, Hell,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: she'll try to use it to buy Chad. I don't
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: know about that. When you have that degree of responsibility
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: for yourself and you are taught to play the long
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: game of I'm gonna do all this work now and
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna sock away the overwhelming majority of the rewards
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: for it for a later time, and I know it's
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: there and I can't touch it until I meet this condition.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: You're gonna know I worked for all that money, and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: that's my nest egg. You're not gonna settle for just
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: any guy. You're not gonna settle for a guy just
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: because he's attractive. The other aspect of that is you
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: teach your daughter to make connections with people on the
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: basis of character and personality, shared values, and shared interests.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: If you want your daughter to be still married when
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: she's my age and old enough to be a grandma,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: you teach her that your daughter will seek the type
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: of man you teach her to seek. But going on,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: vetting processes of researchers should be inclusive to enable interdisciplinary research, right,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: So that's coded I'm not I'm not even gonna entertain
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: the idea that it's not. Interdisciplinary is the term that
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: is used today for women's studies. Years ago they started
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: out there was a class one class. We went over
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: this on HBr Talk a while back when we looked
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: into an article that traced the creation of the The
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: actual area of academic study and gender studies as a
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: class of coursework was invented made up in Australia. That
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: was where the first ones existed, and it was imported
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: to the United States by feminist journalists and professors basically,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: and they went They didn't go just to universities and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: be like, yeah, we've got this course of study that
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: you can you know, offer this course to students, and
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: the universities are like, yeah, we're going to do that.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: They went to the Ford Foundation, and you know, they
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: went to gosh, I can't think of the Carnegie. They
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: went to the Carnegie Foundation. You know, they went to
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: all those guys. They got money from banks, donations from banks,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: and they they really built it up and then went
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: through an advocacy process to sort of browbeat one university
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: into adopting it, and then another, and then within a
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: few years they had three thousand and Before it became
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: an area of study, it was just one course. You
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: took women's studies as a class and that was it.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: That was the whole thing. And then over time that
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: that got expanded into several uh like one oh one,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: two O two, three oh three and so on, four
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: oh four Intelligence not found uh women Women's Studies coursework.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: And then they started expanding more and started calling it
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: gender studies, and they started to pretend to include studies
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: on men in masculinity and the concept of you know,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: something called curiarchy, which is essentially patriarchy, but with extra
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: steps where they recognize that most men don't have the
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: power that is attributed to them by the patriarchy theory
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: that feminists made up. And now they have masculinity studies
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: as part of gender studies, right, Well, then they wanted
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: to start branching out into we want this as part
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: of the field of sociology. We want this as part
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: of the field of psychology. We want this as a
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: part of the field of business management, that's where your
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: human resources department comes from. We want this to be
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: included in the arts, and we want this to be
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: included in like you can't go to a physician, you
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: can't go get treated by a physician that has not
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: had some coursework influenced by what started out as women's studies,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: and it is now called interdisciplinary studies, and they incorporated
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: all forms of oppression. It is the progressive stack studies,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: woke studies basically, So essentially, if you want to talk
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: about issues affecting people who are born in poverty, women's studies,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: except that they call it interdisciplinary studies. Now, if you
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: want to talk about influence or issues affecting people who
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: were born with brown skin, you know, interdisciplinary studies. You
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: want to talk about issues affecting people who were born
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: with a severe or profound disability, interdisciplinary studies. So when
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: they say to enable or disciplinary research, that is again
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: like they're they're sort of coding this as it has
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: to be woke. But what they're outwardly saying is we
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: want to include, uh, you know, different academic areas, computational linguistics,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: critical terrorism studies, critical studies on men in masculinities. All
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: of these are things that are completely unrelated to each
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: other completely, but they're going to link them in order
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: to claim that men having conversations online about interests and
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: issues that affect them and that pertain to them constitutes
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: extremism and preparation for terrorism. And right now the target
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: is men talking about being discriminated against in family court
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: and in criminal court, talking about being taxed to pay
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: for women's stupid choices, talking about being demonized by the establishment.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Using the hasty generalization of the less than one percent
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: of the population that commits violent crime to the entire
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: male population, as if the rest of the male population
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: is responsible for their behavior. They can't talk about that.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: That's online gender based violence. You are criticizing the women's
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: if you talk about that, right, you are criticizing the womens.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: If you talk about being discriminated against in your workplace
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: because they have an affirmative action policy for women, you're
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: criticizing the womens. If you don't want to be completely
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: alienated from your kids so that they grow up from
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: the age of like six years old until adulthood without
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: even knowing you anymore, that's terrorism right there.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: They also want oh yes, as well as recognizing the
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: value of comparative research across different ideologies, local contexts, and languages.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: So they want this everywhere. They want this worldwide. They
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: want this in your neighborhood. And you know, they want
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: whatever your belief system is, whether you are woke, whether
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: you are not well, you know, whether you're anti woke,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: whether you're religious, anti religious, not religious, you know, don't
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: give a flying fuck about religion. They want your group
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: of people included in this. And then then they want
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: to prevent anybody from making money off of this. So
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: while a pat API access requires some form of vetting
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: to prevent malicious or commercial uses. Access should be freer
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: at nominal costs for researchers. So as long as you
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: say you're a wolk researcher, you should be able to
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: get it without having to reimburse the company or the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: people that whose data you're taking. But if you know
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: you're not a wolk researcher, if you're a news organization
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: wanting to fact check the wok researchers, then you should
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: pay through the nose. And and then they want your
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: social media to report on you. So researchers should be
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: able to track and scrutinize the things that you say online.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: For the scope and scale of online gender based silence.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: Uh so stupid, still fucking stupid, you guys.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: Last week I got bit by a dead meme. You
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: gotta know the reason I'm having these outbursts is because
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: I'm slowly turning into an internet zombie.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: Well, I have a vaccine injury, so you know, I'm yeah.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: There, we go, not to blame for anything that comes
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: out of my mouth.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: Uh yes, And and they want control over how community
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: guidelines are enforced. Guess why? Mm hmm? Can you guess?
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: Can you guess what social media site prompted that.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: I could think of a couple, wasn't it.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: No, they have they have control over how guidelines that
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Reddit or enforced already. But feminists do not control rumble,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: they don't control x, they don't control gab, and they
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: don't control truth social social was the other one. Parlor.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: They don't control parlors. Parlor still around.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: I haven't been on there, knowing.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I haven't been on there forever.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: I need to go and look at but I'm not
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: going to do that now, right. But they can't reign
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: in Elon Musk. His His is the one that's big,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: that's popular, that everybody uses. Right, They can't force him
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: to impose the rules that they want imposed. They can't
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: make him silence people for criticizing, for instance, the UK
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: arresting people for flying the UK flag on their property
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: because it's offensive to certain non residents, which makes no
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: sense to me that foreign nationals that the foreign.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: That he agreed upon politically correct term for those people
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 4: foreign nationals, which is just stupid on the face of it.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 4: You're foreign, but you're a part of the nation state. No, no, nope,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: doesn't doesn't fucking work, does not compute.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, just for the record, when I when I
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: go to Calgary next month, I do not expect to
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: see the US flag flown everywhere. And uh, it would
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: be kind of weird because we haven't annexed Canada yet, Jill, No, Canada.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Canada used to be part of Ohio, right, what actually
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: the the true story is that.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: It's all Ohio. It's Ohio.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: One of the things that pissed off the the colonists
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: in the in the US was a redrawing of between
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: the US and Canada in which the UK gave Ohio
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: to Canada. It made Ohio part of Canada. But since
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I am in ohioan and it is all Ohio from
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: my perspective, Canada used to be part of Ohio. They
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: just called it Canada because you know, it would hurt
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: their failings if they had to call themselves Ohio.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: All your base belonged to us.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. But no violence, guys, do not
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: set up us the bomb in any case. Yeah, this
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: is online gender based violence. Wedge is being used to
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: to try to rein in Musk's refusal to silence critics
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: of the British government. And next we have h platforms
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: should develop enforcement reports. They want. They don't just want to,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: they want reports. You have to. I wonder if it
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: has to have a cover page and if you are,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: your eight bosses gonna show up.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Double space ye.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: To include gender segregated data referring to statistical data in
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: relation to community guideline violations. So they want to know
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: how many men say being words on the Internet that
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: women are offended by and so on. For example, platforms
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: processing of and reporting on hate speech violations should include
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: data on whether the violation was on the base this
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: of gender and other intersecting protected characteristics to allow intersectional
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: analysis of the motivations driving online gender based violence yep
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: GPS report. I think that making you fill.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: Out a vile a report periodically to inform you and
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: women as to how many people you had to put
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: in Twitter jail for calling each other retarded is violence?
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, that that is violence?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: What the fuck? Uh? Platforms should work toward standardization of
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: transparency reporting through the development of a set of common
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: metrics and content categories. Meaning whatever Facebook is doing, Twitter
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: has to do it, Parlor has to do it, Gab
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: has to do it, Rumble has to do it, YouTube
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: has to do it. If you create a brand new
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: social media type of you know, new new format, some
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: way of posting or another that's different from what everybody
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: else is doing. You gotta do it. If my Space
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: still exists, they got to do it. If live journal
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: still exists, they got to do it. That's an old
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: one for the kids. Before there was social media, everybody
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: had blogged. Yeah, Diesel PiZZ I think live journal predates
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: predates my Space. I might be backwards on that. I
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I have used live journal, but.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: I'm very curious now to know if my space still exists.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it does.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Well if this is an easy way to find out.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Here, Yes.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: It does. Last I saw it was almost entirely about
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: promoting your band. Wow. But yeah, there you go. Oh
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: my god, which means my cheesy crnch worthy MySpace page
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: is probably still there.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Oh so is mine?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Oh jeesus, I literally haven't. I don't know my password
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: there in like, I mean, my space in fifteen years.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: The email that I have associated with it is probably
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 4: like eight emails ago.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Like it's I mean, you know, technically we don't have
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: a band. Well yeah we could, Yeah we could. That's true.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Practice would be uh, online violence oh jeez, but yeah,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: so here we go. It has everybody that does this
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: has to do it the same way, has to be
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: the same whenever possible to allow for comparison and tracking
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: of policy violations across platforms, which means they would have
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: to have standardized policies. You can't have standardized reporting if
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: your policies differ. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my Space Tom is
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: probably still my friend.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: Tom.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Tom is the most loyal man on the planet. I
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: wonder that they still have the same picture up for him.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: That's funny.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: I'd love that picture of him.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: For example, standardized reporting should disclose the proportion of image
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: based versus text based context our content of violated hate
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: speech policies. So do you know what this is about?
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Can anybody guess what this is about? Disclosing the proportion
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: of image based versus text based content that violated speech policies?
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: What are they going to police.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Everything? Your videos, your pictures? Everything? They are going to
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: means Jesus Christ.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: Like the thought police are coming for your memes.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Ye had a fucking life.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: Your granny.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Lord.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: I would love to see their explanation for the infamous
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: uh Janet Bloomfield cake posts.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for those that don't know, we had a compatriot,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: a colleague at a Voice for Men who uh was very
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: in your face and and uh pun intended because she
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: started a hashtag shoot a feminist in the face in
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: recent wants to hashtag kill all men right, hers was
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: a sarcastic thing. It was. It was not serious. Hashtag
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: kill all men never started out as a joke feminist
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: light about that. It was always, you know, a way
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: for feminists to bash men, right. And the only time
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: that she ever tweeted to it was the assertion that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, she would she would handle a break in
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: to her place with with violent self defense. I think
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: I tweeted it that once actually because I I threatened.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Somebody said they were going to come and get me
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: at my place, and I was like, I will take
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: your picture. I will shoot a feminist in the phase
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: with my I think I had a Nikon D one
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: hundred is so long ago. I don't even know what
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: they're up to in the prosumer camera now, A D
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: one hundred was there two thousand, I want to say,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: two thousand two or three six megapixel single ins reflex
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: prosumer camera.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: I have still got it somewhere. I like, I own
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: a fifteen dollars brick because there's you really can't do
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: anything with six megapixels now, but you can. It's just
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: that there's so much better out there. But in any case, yeah,
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: I got I got suspended for threatening to photograph someone
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: if they broke it into my house. That is because
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: I tweeted it to hashtag should have feminist in the face.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: Is online gender base violence? Mista, we cannot have that
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: to the to the gender police, my uh my, my
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 4: vice principal.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: When I was in now see, the D one was
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: much more expensive. I had the D one hundred. The
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: D one hund was more pro sumer. The D one
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: was a professional camera. Like the D one hundred costs
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: like fifteen hundred with with lenses. The D one was
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: like three thousand just by itself. But art Force mentioned
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: in the other old camera they had the D one
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: and I believe the D one X. I used to
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: sell those. I did a lot of different jobs, so
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: that one was a fun job because I loved what
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: I was selling, and so it was it was fun
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: to talk to the customers about their work and my
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: work and what they might use for their work and
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: what I had used for mine and how it worked
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: out for me, and you know what that might indicate
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: about what they might want to get, and you know
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, like, oh, yeah, I've tried this, it
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: works this way, and you know that kind of thing
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: is it's fun to be able to sell something that
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: you use and you enjoy using, and it makes it
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: a lot easier to help people find the thing that's
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: going to work for them. But in any case, yeah,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: so the the this is again you and women and
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: the Strategic the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. The Institute for
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Strategic Dialogue sounds so professional too. They want to police
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: your memes. This is a direct attack on Kakistan guys.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: This cannot stand. They want to cross platform effort to
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: standardize reporting that could coordinate and align with work by
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: you and women. So they want to be in charge
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: of this, dude. They want to be in charge of
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: how all the social media out there, all the different
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: websites work together with them as the leader, them as
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: the bosses, to to stop you from meming women on
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: the internet.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: How dare you?
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: How dare you to develop a statistical framework for t
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: F GBB what let's see t f F the fuck. Yeah, No,
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: it's probably terrorist something or no, it's technologically facilitated or lated.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: People are not real, they are not real.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: Technology facilitated gender based violence.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: I just can't just go way, God, damn it, find
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: a life.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: But but it's me again wire. Yeah, you have to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: you have to know your races and and and and
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: if you do, stay away from them. Peach preserves. Yeah,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: so technology facilitated. This is what happens when you threaten
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: to shoot a feminist in the face with your camera.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: And what the fuck is the difference between online technology?
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: So the the market was a line from a song
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: by Bye. I just said, damn it anyway about a
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: crank callar an obscene phone callar mm hmm, you know,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: and yeah, if you Ray Stevens, you know, he had
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: the streak and he had Mississippi scho Revival, And on
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: the same Greatest Hits album that those songs were on
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: was this song. Ah. There once was a fellow named
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: Willard mc bain, and he only had just one thought
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: on his brain, and you know, and it goes on
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: and he would go find a pay telephone and call
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: this one woman up and that was the portrayal It's
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: me again, Margaret. You was basically making fun of I've
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: seen colors, because what the fuck is going through your
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: head when you call someone up and your biggest kick
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: that you get in life is heavy breathing into the phone,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: or you know, like one of the lines, I bet
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: you can't guess what I'm doing. And I had crank
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: callers when I was young, back in the day when
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: you your phone sat on a table and there was
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: a cord sticking out of one end of it that
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: plugged into the wall, and the limit of how you
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: could walk around your house was the other cord, the
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: curly cord, and how far you could take the cradle
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: there the handset away from the cradle, which, if you're
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: my age, the phone itself might have actually been mounted
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: on the wall. Ours ours was for a long time,
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: was mounted on the wall between the kitchen and the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: family room. Yes, now they're colloquially referred to as a landline.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: And and we got we got fun calls like yeah,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: we got the is your refrigerator running? You better go
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: catch it? What are you wearing an ouzzi? Uh? The
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: best thing to do if it was like I crank
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: calls from boys in my class, right, So you answered
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: the phone and they think they're being funny and everything.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: You're like, oh, hi, Joe, click there. That was that
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: was the time. And and then you got caller I
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: D came along and and that kind of put the
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: kebash to a lot of it because you didn't know
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: who had it and who didn't. Yeah, but yeah, so
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: that was that was historical tech. Technology facilitated silence. H
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: H T F G.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: Shut the fuck up.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: I hate these people. I wonder back in the day
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: before telephones were invented, if anybody ever sent an up
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: scene telegram, how much that was an.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: Old man named Michael Finnegan Heinigan. The wind came out
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: out and blew them in again, poor old Michael Finnigan. Beginning,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: I feel personally attacked by this as someone who is
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: named Michael, albeit not named Michael Finnigan, but as a Michael,
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: I have to I have to speak up for my
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: own people, even very close. The wind did not blow
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 3: my whiskers Innigan. How dare you?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: You're very close? Michael Stephenson.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: It's a but yeah, even as a Michael Stevenson, I
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: never had my whiskers blown in Agan. Do you have that?
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: Do you have that song in America? Is that?
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: In fact, yeah, there's a frequently advertised, like widely widely
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: advertised back in the nineties and early arts set of
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: children songs that you could get when it first It's
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: so such an old set that when they first started
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: advertising it, they were selling it on cassette tape, which
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: for the Zoomers Zoomers Zoomers might not cassette tape for
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: the for Jen Alpha that does analog. It was about
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: the size about twice the size of a credit card,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: and and it actually had a piece of like plastic
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: that had electronic that had little bits electronically sort of
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: burned into it that when you would play it, the
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: tape player would play the sound and uh and it
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: it didn't you could accidentally tape over it and uh
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: and lose everything that you had on there if you
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: were not careful. I remember before the ancient form of
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: keeping things off of your computer called the CD.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Yes, I remember the days when I was a young
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: lass and I would you know, because I love music,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: love music, well, I love the music that was music
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: before whatever the fuck this is that they call music now,
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 4: But I would stay up and record on my radio, on.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: My little pink Panasonic stereo.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: I would record on tapes like I just you didn't
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: care about a tape. You could just record over them.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: And I would record songs off of the radio, and
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: doubt was mush, yeah, oh my god, I love that shit.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: You gotta understand the kind of person I am. I
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: did that pretty much strictly with the Doctor Demento Show.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, which.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: You gotta understand. You know, you could hear the other
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: stuff on the radio all day long, but the Doctor
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: Demento Show only played once a week, and the spectrum
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: of music that was available on the Doctor Demento Show,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: parody music that was available on the Doctor Demento Show
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: was such that you didn't hear the same thing even
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: every month. You might hear the same song a couple
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: times in the same year. And so I like, would
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: I record the whole show every week. And I used
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: to have a whole set of tapes from that, and
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of them I got rid of when I
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: got the I bought the albums the twentieth Anniversary and
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: the thirtieth Anniversary, and most of what I really liked
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: and kept was on those. So I had like two
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: or three tapes of Doctor Demento Show episodes, parts of
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: Doctor Demento Show episodes that I really those were important
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: to me. And I now have just one and it's
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: broken and I keep meaning to repair it. And that
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: was a big problem with cassette tapes. The plastic tape
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: would break. Yeah, And there was an interview that on
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: that episode or on that tape from one of the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: episodes with Gilbert Gottfried. Oh, I can't find anywhere online.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: I can't find reference to it anywhere. I can't find
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: anything about it anywhere. It was a great interview too,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: and it was, you know, he's a comedian. He was
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: a comedian, so the interview was a parody of a
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: real interview. Doctor Demento would ask him questions, you know,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: and he would answer. He would give these ridiculous parody answers.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: Like he asked him everybody was coming out at that
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: time with exercise tapes and like this was in nineteen
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: ninety two or ninety three, somewhere in there, and he
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: asked him about, you know, making an exercise tape, and
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: he went off about wanting to have a body like
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: Sid Caesar. And and then he he went on and described,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: you know, his his exercise tape as as basically how
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: to be a couch Potato. And it was a it
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: was great. And and then you know, doctor Demento asked him,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: what you're gonna name your mix, your your your exercise tape,
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: and he goes, ah, Howard, you know, classic Gilbert Godfrey.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: But the part that I want from it that I
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: really need to prepare this tape so I have this
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: and can actually put it online because it doesn't seem
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: to exist anywhere, was him explaining how to get rid
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: of Madonna. In the early nineties. Madonna was extremely controversial.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: You know, she was like, I don't know, almost like
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: a Disney villain of music. And it was partly because
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: she was a provocateur, right, and then it was partly
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: because she was so sexual, and it was partly because
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: what the fuck Madonna? But in any case, he said,
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: you know that the way to get rid of Madonna,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: the way to end her career, it was essentially to
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: just accept everything that she does. Okay, that's great, Madonna,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: go ahead, you know, and he went on and gave
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: like these escalating examples and at one point, I'm killing
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: some little baby kittens. Okay, ma, Donna, you go girl,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing, and and I thought,
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: I thought that was hilarious at the time, and it
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: resonated with me at the time, but it wasn't happening
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: at the time, right. But a few years later along
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: came Britney Spears mm and she was like a train
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: wreck in public at the same time as being highly
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: sexualized and very controversial in a lot of ways, and
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: people stopped paying attention to Madonna. Like Britney Spears came along,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: and then Lady Gaga came along, and between the two
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: of them, nothing Madonna did was abnormal anymore. Yeah, and
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: what he predicted happened. Madonna would do stuff and people
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: would be like, oh yeah, that's kind of like Lady Gaga.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's kind of like Britney Spears. And you know,
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: she's sitting there when I'm the original. I'm the original.
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: And if she left the country, that was it. She was,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: like I think she was already in the UK at
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: that point.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 3: The originals. Because women men have been given that appointment
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: as a pop star, like I mean literally forever for
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: as long as pop music has existed way back to
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 3: the fifties, way back to the thirties, went back to
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: like one hundred fucking years ago. Women have always been
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: afforded the opportunity to be pop starlets. So yeah, and
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: we and yet feminists are still telling us women have
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: never been given that affordance to be fucking musical icons. Yeah,
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: but no, yeah, they always have they They've never been
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: denied these rights. They've never been denied these opportunities, like
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: for like a thousand years and even a thousand years
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: before that, even the days before Romantic Chivalry, even in
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: the days of the Greeks and the Romans, women were
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: still afforded the opportunity to wow the populace in these ways.
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 3: And the idea that they never have been is bollocks.
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 1: Always there's always been some woman that's famous for being
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: a boundary pusher. Yeah, yeah, and yeah. What Godfreed was
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: basically pointing out was that if you took away the
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: resistance of those boundaries, Madonna would become irrelevant. And what
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: happened when you had ye had Britney spears, you had
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: Lady got Guy noticed night motorcycles mentioned in Christina Aguilera
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: you had a bunch of different chicks came out with
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: various ways of pushing boundaries that encompassed all of the
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: ways that Madonna was a boundary pusher in the eighties
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: in the nineties, and it really did kind of make
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: her functionally irrelevant. The thing that was her stick. She
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 1: was no longer the best at it, She was no
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: longer even all that much at it. Nothing she did
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: was extreme anymore.
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: And she she is, she is currently fighting tooth and
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 4: nail to still have some elevan relevance. Yeah, and it's
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: it's just sad. It's it's sad to look at her now.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, even if you did like her,
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: you know, and you know I did. I was into
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 4: it before I really understood what what her whole thing was,
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: you know, and and you know now it's it's it's
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: just pathetic to see her trying to maintain relevance. I mean,
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 4: she has h I mean, her face doesn't even look
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 4: anything like it used to.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: It's just sad.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just because she was a pretty girl, she
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: really was. But she had some pipes. I know she
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: probably still does, like I couldn't hold a candle, right, Yeah,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: But and if she had made if she had made
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: herself all about her talent, which Madonna had immense talent.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's just that there were several women that
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 1: in pop music that had immense talent at that time,
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 1: and many many men. But yeah, I like the way
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: Manghaka put it. She lost in a harletocracy. That's sad
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: because that was like the least thing about her. I
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: liked the I liked the Let's Hear It for the
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 1: Boy Madonna.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think she did that song that was well,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: that was Denise Williams.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 4: That was You're right, You're right, You're Yeah's here for
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: the Boy.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: They sounded a lot alike though, but that time period
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: she was doing material girl like a Virgin. M Yeah.
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: One of the first songs I taped after Doctor Demento
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: Show actually was like a Surgeon, which you know, I
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: reused that tape because I think the third weird al
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: song I heard on the Doctor Demento Show. I just
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 1: went out and got weird else tapes. But you're right,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: that was that was not but they did. They had
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: that similar high pitched and it's there's a little bit
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: of sand in it, but not enough to really sound Sandy. Yeah,
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: and Cyndi Lauper had a similar Hers was a little
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: smoother her voice. And and I think she was less
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: controversial too, because well Madonna approached it from you must
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: accept my Harley try. Cyndi Lauper approached it from, look
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: how much fun this is? And you know, she she
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: didn't become irrelevant. She just you know, kind of well,
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: she was gone to other things.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, she she wasn't in competition. And and the thing
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: about Madonna is that she was always in competition with
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 4: Michael Jackson. Yeah, because she always wanted to be the
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 4: biggest pop star.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: And that was really dumb because you there's no competing
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: with Michael.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: There is no competing with Michael Jackson.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: And and but she like really and I know, like
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 4: I know people in the music industry, Like I have
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 4: family in the music industry, and that's what. So it's
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: that that is exactly what she was doing. She was
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 4: trying to compete with Michael Jackson. You know that that uh,
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 4: that thirst for fame, it ends up killing a lot
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: of people. And yeah, you know, and so now here
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 4: she is in what her she's got to be. She's
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: got to be in her seventies. She's not not in
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: her maybe sixties, late sixties. I'm telling you, well.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: She was an adult when I was I want to
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 1: say junior high, maybe high school. I don't know. She
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 1: was an adult by the time I was old enough
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: to start really enjoying her music. I'm and she was
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: performing when I was in elementary school.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 4: So yeah, but she's up there, and now look at
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 4: what she's doing. She's gotten all of the plastic surgery
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 4: that you could imagine. Right, She's still out there touring
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 4: and she's dating like someone I forget the guy's name,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: but he's like at least thirty or forty years younger
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: than she is.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: You know. And Fernando Caballera says Madonna looked like an
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: exhibit from Adam Pisad's Come to Life.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 3: Oh god, well, so did Michael Jackson.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: To be fair, Michael Jackson, that was that was heartbreaking
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: to because he was he was a hottie when when
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 1: I was in the sixth grade. That was a first
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: album I ever wanted, and the first thing that I
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: actually spent my money on my earned money on that
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't a book, was the Thriller album. Yeah, and like
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: that was the was so sad when he started changing
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: his face.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, to be fair, a lot of people
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 4: don't really realize, but he actually did have videlago and
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 4: so you know, obviously it would make sense for him
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 4: to try to even out his skin tone. But I
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know by what means he was
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: doing that. People say he was bleaching his skin. It
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: could be I don't know, but that's not the thing.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: Like he could have kept his original face, you know,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: and still have gone through that and people still would
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 4: have loved him, you know. But when he just started
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 4: with all the plastic surgery and you know, changing his
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: hair and all that shit, that was just so unnecessary.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: Because we loved him for his talent, not for the
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: way that he looked. We loved him for his musical talent,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: his ability to dance.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: You know, well he was he was an original. Like
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: Madonna always would have said she was an original, but
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson was an original. He so much like there's
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: a reason they call him the King of pop.
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: No, The fact is, you know, you're right. The the
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 1: the voice, you know, his voice was magical. But the
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: thing that that that that gets me, you know, like
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: you mentioned, he had viteligo like and I've seen people
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: with it that haven't been able to do any changes
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: to their skin and everything. He also had I think
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: scarring from his hair caught on fire in the feeling
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 1: of a Pepsi commercial.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which it's very possible that he died in that
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 3: and was replaced.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 1: That's yeah.
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 3: But how many Michael Jackson impersonations do we have around
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: these days? They they wander around the subway.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 1: The population by Michael Jackson impersonators actually, But yeah, that
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: so I understand why that that may have happened. But
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: and it's a traumatic experience too, especially like when my
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: hair caught on fire, which did happen that it wasn't
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: during the filming of a commercial I was at a
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: I was actually it was in the middle of a
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: pagan ceremony and I stood too close to a candle
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: and my hair is three feet long, and it was
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: dry and staticky, and a bunch of it was like
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: fanning out behind me because of the static, and it
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 1: caught fire and I lost a chunk of hair like
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: it just and I don't use product of any kind.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: I don't use any hair spray jel anything like that.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: All of those things are flammable. They're highly flammable, so
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: it's it would have been harder to put out. What
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: happened with me was the guy beside me just reached
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: over and ran his hand down my hair, and it
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: put it out. But if you had stuff in your
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: hair to make it behave itself then and and it
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 1: caught on fire, then it might be much more difficult
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: to put it out. So there that would explain the scarring.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: But in any case, Yeah, it still made me sad
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: to see his face change because I liked his face too. Yeah,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: as magical as his voice was, I liked his face too.
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 3: It's tempting to say that it's a good thing Elvis
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 3: Presley didn't have the option to go through such an
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 3: undignified death going going going through that facial reconstruction centery.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 3: But he had a different Yeah, because he died on
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 3: the toilet because he toilet well, and then what that's
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: what normally happens to pop stars.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 1: He had a bunch of health problems too that that. Yeah,
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 1: there's various medications that they put you on for those
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 1: and some of those medications are rough on your heart
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: and like, actually, a lot of heart attacks happen on
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: the toilet. A little known fact. This is something that
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 1: I was taught in anatomy and physiology. There is a
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: nerve in your bowels that can upset your heart. So
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: if you already have a predisposition to have a heart attack,
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: and you are at some point going to have a
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: heart attack, the chances that it will happen when you
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: are straining to deal with constipation are higher than the
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: chances that it will happen at any other like rest
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: sting point, sorry, during the day. So if you have
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: a heart condition, take stool softenersm you just eat lots
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: of fresh fruit. Just just a little bit of advice
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 1: American diet.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, fiber, fiber is your friend.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: Unrighte Bananas and uh kiefer good good friends. But anyway, if.
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: You're determined to be famous, then you're probably going to
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: have an unusual death like Elvis did, like Malthor Jackson did,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: and like Madonna is probably going to.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: Have some point, hopefully soon.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 3: But the reason the reason they got so famous in
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: the first place is because they were so determined to
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 3: be famous, and signs to reason that that when they
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: do die it's gonna be tragic.
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: It's true about but Michael Jackson was made famous.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: Well he was killed as well.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sorry.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 3: That's any kid.
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he Michael Jackson was famous before he was old
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: enough to consent to fame.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: As as much as the you know, the music that
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: he created when he was young is valuable and wonderful
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: and beautiful, that was abuse.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: So I mean it's not fair to do that to
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: a kid. It's he didn't get to be a kid.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: He never got to be just a kid. Yeah, that's
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: not fair. But in case, you know, going back to
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 1: what we were talking about, and now we'll cover this
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 1: last paragraph and then we'll leave the rest for next week.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 1: But this last bit, platforms should consult and collaborate with
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: gender based violence and feminist advocates. So what's a gender
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: based violence advocate? Is that like somebody that goes around
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: and tells you to beat your husband or beat your wife, Like,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't it be a gender based violence response advocate?
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 4: Well that's what they're calling us, the infamous men's rights advocates.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: That's what we do. Apparently, I guess.
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I would beat my husband, but he doesn't
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: like beats, so I just eat myself. I particularly like
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: the red Ones. By the way, if you ever have
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: to feed a baby and you feed the child strained beats,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 1: just remember later when the child poops that you did
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: feed the child strained beats. Do not panic when it
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: looks like the child is pooping blood, because it will
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: just just saying yeah. So they want platforms. They want
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: X and Facebook and you know, even MySpace to consult
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: and collaborate with them. They're feminist advocates, scholars and victim survivors.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: So people who say that they were abused with lived experience.
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: When developing the methodology of transparency, how are we going
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: to report this? Well, these people get to tell us
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 1: what to say. These people get to tell us what counts.
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 1: These people get to tell us what we're talking about.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: And they want user surveys to be involved. You want
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 1: to get asked on social media about gender based violence?
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 1: You think they'd count my answers. I get misgendered every day.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: At a minimum, platform should be transparent. So they want
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: everybody to tell everybody else how they're doing this.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: I'm just I can't.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 4: I can't fuck these people and their terminology your lived experience.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: No, you don't have experience when you're dead. You love what.
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 4: My lived experience? I lived through this. Yes, it's just experience.
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 4: It's just it's it's just life. It's just what we
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 4: all go through. It might lived experience. Shut up, you're
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 4: gonna go through shit. I'm sorry that nobody ever explained
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 4: to you that life is difficult and you might experience
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: some things that are not so pleasant, right, and and
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 4: they never taught you how to handle some.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: Mean words online.
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 4: That you can't that you can't just turn off and
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 4: back away from.
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: No, Jesus Christ.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: I have lived with being oppressed by men. Oh you're
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: so you're you're so brave to have lived with being
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 3: impressed by men. And then when men say, I have
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 3: lived with being occasionally marginalized by women, how dare you?
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 3: What are you saying you've been impressed by women? You
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 3: can't say how very day you? And all that.
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh so we are to the point where, yeah,
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 1: they're they're now going to advocate. They want people who
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 1: claim to be victims of online gender based violence, uh
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 1: to to dictate what these platforms have to do. And
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 1: that will be what we will start covering next week.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 1: When we get through this part, this gives us an idea, my,
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 1: what what what they're advocating here, And so we basically
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 1: got like another page and two pages here of what
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: what they want to tell social media outlets to do.
• 2:21:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go over the rest of the report.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 1: We went over some definitions last week, and we're going
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: to go over this and then we will be looking
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: at what they mentioned in this paragraph here, because that
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: is part of this Act to End Violence against Women
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: and Girls program, And of course it's written in not
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: American English, so I want to read it programmy, but
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: it's a program generously supported by the government of Iceland
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 1: and the European Union. So this is, like I said,
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 1: we're not going over this because these women are funny.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: We're going over this because this is a systematic, institutionalized
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 1: effort at suppressing your speech all over the world, paid
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 1: for by the European Union in Iceland. So with that,
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 1: let me double check and see if I have any
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: because I am not actually looking at the right chat
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: to know. I went down into the chat that I
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: used to transfer that picture or that link. There. We
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: go to super Chow Channel eight twenty nine pm, we
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: got a super chat or super chow from in Summerfield
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: gave us five dollars and said, but Hannah, don't you
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: know we must be able to protect the womens so
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: we can scrape your data. To protect the womens, to
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: scrape your data, And yeah, that's essentially what this is.
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: They're they're they're essentially using protect the womens to bypass
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 1: your right to privacy and your right to uh freedom
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 1: of speech and freedom of association.
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: That sounds invasive, mm hmm to scrape your data.
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like a gender based online violence. Oh no,
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 1: does this mean I'm gonna get in trouble for that
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 1: meme that I have about you have just been slapped
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 1: with a fish?
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, doomed.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for listening, Thanks to my two co hosts
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 1: for going through this nasty as with me, and and
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: for the well rounded and wandering conversation tonight. And yes
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: I RC trout slapping and h Thanks everybody who works
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: in the background and may make HBr talk happen, especially
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: Brian who has to put up with me going overtime.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: It's like half the time. Sorry about that, and good night.
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 2: All. We will see you next Thursday.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: We will