Latest / Mini Scroll / MINI SCROLL: MrBeast takes on SocialBlade with new analytics site + Grace Beverly penalised in “landmark ruling” for influencer marketing
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- 0:00Hi everyone, welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
- 0:03culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories from social
- 0:06media, the creator economy and the digital space.
- 0:09Every Monday through Thursday. I'm your host, Lauren Meisner,
- 0:13the founder of the youth digital media brand Centennial World.
- 0:17Welcome back to Mini Scroll everyone.
- 0:19Day two of this chaotic studio set up.
- 0:24I have been busy prepping recording all of the podcast
- 0:28episodes for our series and I had a question on what the
- 0:32series is called. Does it have a name?
- 0:34So it does. It is called Let the girls game
- 0:37because it is powered by Let's sing and also let the girls
- 0:41game. Like the whole point is like
- 0:43women in gaming like just like let them be like let them have
- 0:46fun, let the girls have fun. Shut the fuck up.
- 0:50And that kind of vibe. Anyways, I have two pretty big
- 0:55stories for you guys today, so let's just get right into it.
- 0:58The first story is that Mister Beast has launched a new website
- 1:02that dives into detailed stats on any YouTube channel.
- 1:07Staying true to his obsession with analytics, Mr. Beast has
- 1:11launched his own website called View Stats, where users can
- 1:14quote, see views, Subs, and any advanced data you'd want for any
- 1:19YouTube channel or video. He also wrote on Twitter.
- 1:22I believe knowledge is power and I want to help creators of all
- 1:26sizes improve their YouTube performance.
- 1:28When asked how View Stats differ from Socialblade, which is
- 1:32currently at the website that most people use to see analytics
- 1:35on social media profiles and posts, he said.
- 1:38We have per video data like one out of 10 daily views per video,
- 1:44accurate top charts, AB thumbnail tracking, etcetera,
- 1:48etcetera. So for anyone that doesn't know
- 1:50AB thumbnail, that's basically just like a marketing term AB
- 1:53testing. So it's like, you know, I guess
- 1:56if a video changes out its thumbnails, I guess view stats
- 2:00will tell you which thumbnail did better.
- 2:02And one out of 10 is just the rating that YouTube's back end
- 2:06gives you. When you upload a video, it will
- 2:08give you a rating one out of 10 based on your most 10 recent
- 2:12uploads, like where this where this video is fitting.
- 2:16So if it's getting more views, then I guess your last 10
- 2:20videos, like where it's sitting within that.
- 2:22View stats was first announced in December 2023 as a
- 2:26collaboration between Mr. Beast and his employee Chuckie
- 2:29Appleby. This all just feels so on brand
- 2:32for Mr. Beast. He notoriously became the most
- 2:35subscribed to YouTube in the world with over 262,000,000
- 2:38subscribers by being meticulously obsessed with his
- 2:41channel's analytics. And you know, I did a deep dive
- 2:45on Mr. Beast at the beginning of the year and I learned a lot
- 2:47about him. And the biggest I think
- 2:50conclusion that I came to was that Mister Beast is so hyper
- 2:54fixated on virality. All he cares about his numbers
- 2:58and virality. He does not really care.
- 3:00I mean at least for the last few years he does not care about
- 3:04building a narrative around his videos.
- 3:06He doesn't even care about like artistic expression.
- 3:09He is not really a creator, he is a marketer.
- 3:12When asked about his career goals on the Colin and Samir
- 3:15podcast, he said, quote, what's the point of making a video if
- 3:19no one watches it? And then he also talked about
- 3:22how his goal always is to have 70% or more retention rate on
- 3:26his videos, which is so high for YouTube video that is so high.
- 3:30On that same podcast and in other interviews that I watched,
- 3:33he also discussed that first charity porn video that he did,
- 3:37which was also his first brand deal.
- 3:39So he was approached for a brand deal for $5000 and he convinced
- 3:42the company to give him $10,000 because he wanted to give that
- 3:46money to a homeless person. And he knew that having ten in
- 3:50the like thumbnail and in the title would be much more
- 3:53eye-catching and go much more viral than having five.
- 3:57So everything he does, from his philanthropy to his brand deals
- 4:02to everything about Mr. Beast is all optimized for virality.
- 4:06Like that's what he cares about. So this to me makes perfect
- 4:10sense. I see this as kind of like a way
- 4:14for him to prove to the industry and to prove to himself because
- 4:18I truly believe that Mister Beast at the end of the day,
- 4:20like he is trying to feed some internal like little Jimmy ego
- 4:24inside of him. And when I say little Jimmy, I
- 4:26mean like childhood Jimmy. Everything he does seems to be
- 4:29like an ego play. I feel like view stats.
- 4:32This is like the perfect reason for that, right?
- 4:35Like this is the perfect solution to that.
- 4:37He can basically put his videos and his channel in and compare
- 4:41them to every single channel and every single video in like a
- 4:44detailed stats and analytics. Like in a such a granular way,
- 4:48he can compare his content and his growth and his channel to
- 4:52everyone else's. That's exactly what he wants.
- 4:55Like that's his end goal. And you know, obviously he is
- 4:58the most subscribed to YouTube, but at any given point, you
- 5:03know, there's probably videos that are going, quote UN quote,
- 5:06more viral than his if he hasn't uploaded in a while.
- 5:09There's probably videos that are getting more views per hour per
- 5:13day than his. You know, there's probably
- 5:15channels that are growing percentage wise at a faster rate
- 5:19than him at any given time. So now he can have all that data
- 5:24and he can ensure that he is always number one in every
- 5:27category. And that is terrifying.
- 5:29And I feel like there are some ethical implications to a
- 5:32YouTube making this platform. I'm interested to see how it
- 5:36goes. All right, Speaking of ethical
- 5:40implications, the next one that I have for you guys, this one
- 5:43actually came out at the end of last week, but I didn't see it
- 5:46until today. So influencer Grace Beverly has
- 5:49been penalized in a quote landmark ruling for influencer
- 5:52marketing. So British fitness influencer
- 5:55Grace Beverly has been penalized for six videos that she posted
- 5:59advertising her own clothing brand.
- 6:02Grace has over 1,000,000 followers on Instagram and over
- 6:04150,000 followers on TikTok and she is one of the most high
- 6:08profile influencers in the world like fitness influencers
- 6:11worldwide. In 2019, Grace launched her own
- 6:14clothing brand called Tala, and it got in some hot water at the
- 6:18end of last year. So back in October, Grace shared
- 6:21two Reels and four Tik Toks promoting a new coat from Tala.
- 6:25Those posts received over 50 complaints from just general
- 6:29like users, people that saw them about deceptive influencer
- 6:33marketing. As Grace did not disclose that
- 6:36the posts were ads. One creator at Alice's Gratified
- 6:39on TikTok made a video about Grace's videos, calling them out
- 6:43as undisclosed ads given Grace did not openly say that she
- 6:46owned the company. Tala, Grace's lawyers,
- 6:50threatened to sue Alice with a defamation lawsuit, and Alice
- 6:53took down some of the videos that she made on the situation.
- 6:56At the time, Tala argued that Grace was quote, synonymous with
- 7:00the business and that her followers would know that.
- 7:03I think that's not really the issue here though.
- 7:05Like if you think about the TikTok for you page and how
- 7:08content is literally, I mean, in Reels too, but like especially
- 7:10TikTok, it's just fed to you. You have like no perspective on
- 7:14what you're seeing or who you're watching.
- 7:17And according to the BBC, they reported quote It said her
- 7:21connection to Tala was also made clear in her TikTok and
- 7:24Instagram BIOS, and pointed out references in the videos to the
- 7:28coke being made in factories. We literally had to beg at the
- 7:31door to get into. These reels were posted jointly
- 7:35with Tala's Instagram account, while the Tik Toks were shared
- 7:37in a playlist Grace had labeled aggressive marketing.
- 7:41Tala made the case that all these factors combined would
- 7:44have made it clear to users that the posts were for marketing
- 7:46purposes. Despite this, on May 22nd, the
- 7:51situation was resolved as the ASA, which is the UK's
- 7:55Advertising Standards Authority, ruled that Grace did break
- 7:58advertising rules and was ordered to take those six videos
- 8:01down from October. In a follow up regarding this
- 8:04resolution, Alice made a video saying that she initially called
- 8:07Grace out on TikTok to show consumers how social media
- 8:11influencers quote, are using their personal social media
- 8:14accounts to advertise their business products without
- 8:17disclosing them as commercial communications to their
- 8:20audiences. And the director of complaints
- 8:23for the ASA called this case precedent setting quote, social
- 8:28media influencers who are also brand owners must now mark their
- 8:32brand related content as ads, says the ad watchdog as it
- 8:36cracks down on unlabeled cross pollination rights marketing
- 8:40week about this resolution. So this is really interesting
- 8:44because there are so many mixed opinions when it comes to this
- 8:48situation in general, not just the ruling, but like the fact
- 8:52that they entertained this. Because I agree with what Alice
- 8:56said where she called it like commercial communications.
- 8:59And when you think about Grace and her company as separate
- 9:02legal entities, it makes sense because Grace, I guess
- 9:05technically, even if she wasn't being paid, directly paid for
- 9:08those videos, let's say through Tala, which I'm assuming she
- 9:12wasn't. Like, you know, obviously if she
- 9:13drives traffic to Tala and people buy that, like that's
- 9:17money that's kind of indirectly in her pocket because she owns
- 9:20the company, but they are legal entities.
- 9:22So she is doing advertising for a different brand for someone
- 9:25that is not her. You know, she would have
- 9:27something around herself. Like I don't know what it would
- 9:30be in the UK, but here in Australia, it's called an ABN,
- 9:33which is basically what you have.
- 9:35It's like you're not like a company when you're a sole
- 9:37trader, but it's like how you work as a sole trader and it's
- 9:42how you get paid as like a freelancer and stuff like that.
- 9:45So she would have something like that related to like her person
- 9:48for brand deals, I presume. And then tall is like a
- 9:51completely separate like actual incorporated company entity.
- 9:56I mean, she might be like her own like brand deal stuff might
- 9:58be incorporated and stuff too, but like they're separate,
- 10:00right? So yes, it is, I guess
- 10:03technically an ad even if she's not being directly paid for it
- 10:07and even if it is like the brand that she owns.
- 10:09However, on the flip side of what people are saying is like,
- 10:13OK, so then, and obviously this is in the UK, so it's different
- 10:16in every country. But like, if we're going to take
- 10:18this as like precedent setting, why can't I say that precedent
- 10:21setting? Then, you know, if Rihanna is
- 10:24talking about Fenty Beauty on her Instagram stories, for
- 10:27example, does she then need to disclose that that's an ad
- 10:30because she owns a share, a stake, whatever a Fenty, it's
- 10:35not clear that she owns it. Like there's tons of people in
- 10:38the world that probably have no idea Rihanna is associated with
- 10:40Fenty. So how does that work?
- 10:43Or if you're posting about your own company on LinkedIn, do you
- 10:46need to say that it's an ad? Or like me, like I make TikTok
- 10:49day in the life videos. I have less than 1000 followers.
- 10:52I just kind of got back into it and I talk about Centennial and
- 10:56I talk about this podcast. They are separate legal entities
- 10:59to me and someone might find it on the free you page and I don't
- 11:03know, subscribe to the podcast or want to work with Centennial
- 11:07or something because of my content.
- 11:09I guess it's a little different 'cause I'm not selling like
- 11:10direct to consumer, but still do I need to disclose when I'm
- 11:14sharing like a day in the life and I'm like showing the office
- 11:18and talking about the business, Do I need to share that That's
- 11:20an ad? Like that's where people are
- 11:21confused is like there's a lack of clarity now about like what
- 11:25the guidelines are then. So I think that's the main
- 11:28criticism is like, if the ASA is going to say this is like a
- 11:31landmark ruling, this is setting a new precedent, then there
- 11:34needs to be much clearer guidelines about like what those
- 11:38precedent, what that precedent is like, what does that actually
- 11:41mean? And I don't know, like I talked
- 11:43about this a little bit. You guys will hear the episode
- 11:45on Friday, but I talked about this with my guest for my Friday
- 11:49episode, Meredith Lynch, who's a TikTok star, obviously an
- 11:52influencer creator. And we talked about different
- 11:54like scams that influencers get involved in, including affiliate
- 11:58links and all that stuff. And one of the things we talked
- 12:01about was that like early days of influencing, definitely
- 12:04different now, but early days, like people probably had no idea
- 12:07influencers like Jaclyn Hill was always called out for not
- 12:09disclosing affiliate links. I know that's been an ongoing
- 12:11problem, but in the early, early days, like people probably like
- 12:15who were influencers, probably actually just didn't know.
- 12:17And I know that Grace has been an influencer for a long time,
- 12:20but I think there is such a Gray area between like what is
- 12:24considered an ad when you own the company as an influencer
- 12:27versus, you know, what is just you promoting a company that you
- 12:31own. Like, I don't know, it's it's
- 12:33very confusing. So that's the biggest criticism
- 12:35against this is like we need now more clarity on what all of this
- 12:41means. Anyways, guys, that's it for
- 12:43today. Thank you so much for listening
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