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NFL draft expert drops by to grade Bears picks Pt. 2 · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the one in city podcast presented by a fan side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see Glenn Morgan joining us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, get me the hot sauce, easy smoke in the gym.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Alex Shapiro, I am Kenneth Davis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are hot on NFL draft discussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we're talking about the bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when we got Glenn here, we got to talk about the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and we were just discussing what Minnesota was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny, because when you were talking about Glenn in the past episode,
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[SPEAKER_00]: about how deep these divisions are and to think about the fact that Minnesota has a joy stick at quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, it could be mid and I don't mean mid in the bad way because they're still going to be explosive, but it could also be just that explosive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're talking about adding Calamary to a guy that arguably is the best receiver in the league, and then you have Jordan Addison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right along with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's something to be said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the flips I did, that's just often when you have one of the best offensive minds in your head coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have one of the best defensive minds in your defensive coordinate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why is Brian Flores out of head coach?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's snitched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he switched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He switched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For people who are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We call it double.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For people listening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kenneth was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he was black skin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Blackhead coaches are absolutely held to double standards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's for the audio only kind of pointy was black skin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, absolutely right Brian Flores Blackhead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You love he Smith effect a blackhead coach who didn't get enough chances because because he simply wasn't white.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is and he dismissed not a bad way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He trusts niche out loud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, and props to him with knowing what that would do to his career, taking that because a lot of people would suffer in silence because they want their career prolonged and deal with that and he decided to stand up for what he thought wasn't in justice and props to him for doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in knowing that truth be said, that's going to cost you opportunities and being black is going to hurt that even more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not this discussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get back into the joy, all right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the pain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Joy!
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I'm the Minnesota Vikings being underrated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that part right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on the Vikings moving for with what they have and what they brought in and for reagency and the draft with?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I can't be anything other than who and what I am and trying to stick with my authenticity and being genuine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every year to several teams that make the playoffs, they don't make it the next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We in Chicago are in danger, maybe being one of those teams because of the conference we're in overall, specifically because of the vision that we're in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Bears went to and four in a division last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Bears could turn around being four to this year and not make the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how crazy the conference is and that's how
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[SPEAKER_01]: much the margin of error or the margin of success, I should say, can lay in any given year, but particularly where the bears and where this NFC stands going forward, the Vikings have a ton of talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This whole division has a ton of talent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears were still in a rebuilding facet to some degree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's looks a lot better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The core is a lot more sound and we don't let the dog like what you're saying it was like, wait, what do you mean what do you mean we're still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what you were making me believe, but yeah, it's it that the defense is still looking for this identity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to speak the offense, I think we understand who and how and where it's going more clearly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the defense is still discovering what it is and what it can be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because it knows that last year was really great, but is that more mirage or is that more of, you know, and a lot of players, and again, it'd be talked about it before, out of the 33 turnovers, 23 of those were interceptions, and of those 23 interceptions, 19 of those are no longer on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even if they were on the team, you still don't expect to get necessary of that many amount of turnovers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You expect a regression to the mean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you factor in that those players who will part of that accumulation of turnovers,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it going to look like again, I can say in search of your identity now I think there's like I said before the bears have a type and they're going for that, but you still have to They don't have to blend together and has to come together and that takes a little bit of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas you look with the Vikings, Florida has been in place for several years now, you know, McConnell has been in place for several years now, several of those players on those on that team have been in place now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They know what their roles are, they know what to do, they're beyond just build and they're on expanding, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot less thinking involved and a lot more get to it and even a new place to come in, they're able to blend in a little bit better and less is on them because everyone else around them understands the roles better and so that they're able to, you know, figure it out at a better pace than right now where the bears is like, okay, you did this last year, but we're going to, you know, that's where the bears are right now and that could get that could get you when you lose maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the first two months of the season, you lose two or three games that if you are a more experienced team together, maybe you don't lose two of those three, maybe you will lose one of those two or three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm saying is, if you're nine and eight or 10 and seven, that may not be good enough next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there may be another 10 that's 10 and seven and there may be two of the teams that are 10 and seven, but you lost it in early on, so you lost a tiebreaker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where the barriers may find themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before the season begins, it's all speculation, but I'm going on the patterns that I've seen and how the NFL's played out over the last half century that I've been watching football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing too, and I love you highlighting that, and that's really part of the reason you're here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people don't pay attention to what you just did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three years ago, I'm a North Brian Flores who's been there for three or four seasons, I can't remember exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have a pass rush whatsoever, and they still had a hell of a defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they've been adding players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mind you, they jettison their DT slash year, bringing in car grove and Allen, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but still, you're talking about a defense, and on offense, we already know what O'Connell could do or whatever, and he hasn't had,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Vikings have been a quarterback away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I went through you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Sam Donner was clearly on the start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they honestly, if you asked me, I would have traded JJ of nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My fault, my fault, nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I apologize.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I would have been in the streets so quick because the fear of this kid, dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry for cursing for people that don't like it, and when I dropped them, but if you watch big kid football and you watch that, Michigan run to the championship and imagine your roadside all day, and they took the ball out of that kid's hands, or I just rolled it the time, rolled damage in a sea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you volunteer this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but that I like that because I don't think a lot of times when you're having discussions with people about sports, it's about just surface level discussions instead of kind of the integral things that change in adapt programs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're saying that familiarity is a huge part of why a program is sustainable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to hop on that and say that part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this will be a wonderful general manager in the streets and I know you're out on JJ.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not completely out on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a young kid, you know, he clearly little, he gets statistical to some degree, you know, but that's what young people want to do to your quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not necessarily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to to to actually be that, but also be good on the field at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That part
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he actually was still in the fetches rookie season and he had flashes, you know, the bear's loss, the first game, the bear's one and lost the first game because of him, you know, and one boy, they were winning it in the round right, you know, pick six, we're going to win this one and then by the next the same talk in the same game, we lost it because JJ was making plays and I think there's enough talent at team, you know, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Vikings found himself in a weird spot and with Sam, they couldn't afford to keep him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam, you know, so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like water under bridge, but that being said, the infrastructure still in place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now JJ gets to learn and you still have and they may be someone that they could trade down a line that could happen or collar may, you know, be so much of a emerging that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're like, okay, we, we got to let your attitude go, but you didn't really cost as much with JJ, you got another year to see what it should look like in some respects, another year to mature, and we'll bring some competition in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is your year to prove it next year, block, you know, you have to next or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm saying there's, there's still some leeway there, so I don't think it's completely a complete wash at this point, but regardless at this point in time right now going forward, the Vikings are dangerous, you know, talent
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the lions are still going to be effective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're still going to be a danger scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I look at this draft and particularly what some of the all season moves were for the teams in this division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of shoring up with the defensive line, interior defensive line and interior line back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah, because running the ball means something again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you start with the lions and you definitely start with the bears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that the architect of some of that, the remnants of that are still with the lions philosophically speaking, and the architect of that is now in Chicago,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's two teams that are going to kick your ass if you can't stop the run and all that kicking your ass with the run, they're going to be able to attack you down field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm in this division, I'm a GM defensively, I need to gear myself or having to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's what the Vikings did with their draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned the bears are in danger of missing the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't just let that go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What do the bears need to do to avoid that fate?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a guy in free agency that's still out there that they gotta sign as they get back into that part of roster construction?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it something else?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am curious about your free agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe like break that out of there's a free agent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what do the bears have to do to not miss the playoffs as you kind of said, hey, they're in danger of doing this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny thing about the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this will never change as long as it's the context board it is, it's a game of attrition, always has been always will be attrition, makes villains and heroes of all of its teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if the bear stay healthy, that's the best thing they can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If the bear is continued to progress, and it's not that I don't think they're a player or two a way necessarily this season, Alex from avoiding making a playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think their circumstances away from being in a playoffs or maybe not being in a playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: And who knows what their circumstances are going to be?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the story that still has to be written and told, that's the unwritten part right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that being said, if we're being realists, and they have to be realists, they have to be, if you're realistically, think that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, you got him does not fear what you're saying bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arkham is not they were going to play off screen because Arkham if we come back next year this will be the Arkham episode because Arkham is like you wild at you're really saying the bears are going to make the playoffs of not feeling what you're saying right now and the end in the fire and then I'll be on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got the first responders down nationally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the bears just have to continue building and doing what they're doing, but they've got to cut down on the stakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has more to do with who as they would say it, I know it sounds right and it's over use of times, but it's more about what happens inside house all and how they can port themselves, you know, within who and how they are and an understanding and the belief of that and the building of that as opposed to any player or two that's going to come in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and make them transformatively stout up to where they don't, you know, to where they avoid missing the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, I love Chicago, born and raised, South side or, what if there's anything if I'm gonna be true by how we are, so Chicagoans sometimes we live in a vacuum, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so, our universe is so narrow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so, you know, so, the Mayocia in Chicago is incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other things that are happening in the universe around us, and you have to kind of pay attention to how those things are happening and how that may affect you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry guys, I'll fight you if you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to define a couple of times just to make sure you want to break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's thinking about well, he's going to break.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to define a couple of terms because I'm pretty sure I got these, but Kenneth, can you read?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we had two we had two Glenn Morgan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... vocabord's their comports that's like to behave in a way to but to to pay my own my opia near sightedness right isn't to be my topic to be near sighted we can we see everything in front of us mm-hmm but around us but around us oh man it is so chic i don't feel like i'll say this i don't know if the people on this
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[SPEAKER_00]: days are like that, but yes, it's getting to it now with the days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I dees correct that a lot of times when you're talking to people and it's it's not unfortunate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They care about what they care about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My remember having the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on the show last year and I forgot what team I was talking about and the one of the hosts didn't know the amount of talent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know was it the Viking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can remember what team would.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was even the Vikings or was the Troy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of these teams and I was just laying out like, dude, do you know how many different players they had?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the coats and they were like, the coats don't have anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, they got Pittman, they got Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they got Alex Pearce at Constructifield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was just running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they had,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the kid that warned that I wanted the bear to say I was like so when he was less I was like Dude, do you know how much talent?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just don't offense it the defaults I was like like no Like again, it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know, but when you're sitting there and you're saying that No, that's the state they're they're very talented particularly on the offensive side But the Alex was a looting to the vocabulary specials Did I nail that did I get that to comport oneself?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like to behave in a way And then my opic and my opias is near sightedness
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[SPEAKER_02]: I nailed that, Glenn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the vocabes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My question, Glenn, would be one, the bears, I think, I could be wrong, but they now have Afrocana in Jordan, Vandenberg from South Africa out of Georgia Tech.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your thoughts on him and perhaps if he can make an impact, but also you mentioned the UDFAs and were there a UDFA of are there UDFAs that stood out to you that you think could be a prospect moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, to some degree, again, like I said with UDFA's, it's, I don't get overly excited, but it's like, if it works, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I look at it as practice squad guys and then maybe so it might develop because you've got a system that, and I think I've been more negative about it with Chicago organization speaking because we were all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm a little more hopeful that okay, you know what type of players you want.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now you can kind of target them a little bit better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now there could be a little more structure to these UDFA's that you're quite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then only that, but to some degree, too, when you, by you, I mean, an organization, when you show yourself to be purposeful and have a direction, you draw talent to you as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, like, hey, I'm going to be part of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see my, because if I'm not drafted,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can pick where I might tell my agent maybe give me opportunity to go over here, so I can try and get on this team here because I see there's a need for my skill here, even if I'm third on the death chart starting out, I can move up to two or from four, I can move in the three or I can be, you know, you can see yourself there as opposed to I have no, I don't want to be to wear near there, you know, because let me get drafted like damn I got drafted by the, by the jets, you know, so I think we were seeing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that, with that, to answer your question, the one young man, and this is also a defensive line, a jayton loving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not like I'm saying like, oh my God, he's the next best thing, but I see what they're going, what they're doing with interior defensive line, same thing with the africanner, you know, out of Georgia Tech, you're getting athletes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys that have lateral ability to move down the line, guys that can shed a block, because they're strong enough
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once they shed, they can laterally pursue and make a play and with the technique that we're going to teach you, we're going to get you so that you can actually penetrate and be a disruptor, you know, because I look at Jayden loving and I'm like, you know, I see you, you're guessing as let us say as I'm a city making some losing stuff, you're not so much a disruptor, but you're active and with your activity, I can find purpose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what the bears are doing when they targeted a lot of these guys so I like Jayden loving a little bit I like I like the other safety they picked up Skyler Thomas I think out of Oregon state and he to me he's like a he's like a poor man's EMW, you know, he kind of is he's got that size that ranging this he's more of an inbox kind of safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but he gives you some playmaking ability, he's aggressive at going for the ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a few things where he's a touch slow here, backpettles not great here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Things that technique and playing with other players can maybe help formulate enough of a sound base that I can get you out there, like, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's okay now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can put him out there as the third safety.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when this guy is hurt, he can come in or there's special teams, those kind of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I look at the UDFAs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Squirrel White is a great name, and it's a great name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a former Tennessee guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So actually, he was one of their primary targets a couple of years back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually went Tennessee and made that run two years ago and by running a very limited one and done play on the pairs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But run through the SEC to make it to the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably more so than I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Squirrel White.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was one of those players that had that dynamism where he can stretch the field and make a play and if he gets an open space, he's tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's tough and difficult to continue with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I look at some of those guys and you know, you look at the quarterback, you know, I'm like, okay, I got Miller boss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, we got to talk Miller.
20:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the that's the Trojan connection right there with Caleb, but that's cool, but it's cool because what it does is say, hey, where it sends us, it sends us some message.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've never just gone to sit on the fact that we have a franchise quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to always keep trying to improve the quarterback room every year, and that's the message sent to Tyson Bayesian.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such everybody, but yes, to your point, it's definitely sent to Tyson Bayesian potentially, but it's, but when you send the message to that position, you're telling the whole team, and effect, what we say what we mean is going to be competition every position, and if you're not up to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can take that somewhere else out down the road, but there's not what it's going to be like here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a, it's a, it's a mess of subtly, but it's set if you're paying attention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not paying attention, then that's on you, but I think it's what it's, you know, that's wanting to me to me know it.
20:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's cool.
20:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that because what the Packers did, you know, the Packers, hey, they, the bread farm days.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's run it, all right.
21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about Aaron Brooks.
21:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about Mar Bruno, right?
21:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about a what's his name that has to house a back.
21:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about Gwen.
21:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what's going for a backflip.
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when yeah, but, but to see, I don't even know that.
21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: They, they, Russell Wilson stole his damn job.
21:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the thing?
21:25
[SPEAKER_01]: By the time that Flynn happened, all the other guys you mentioned before happened.
21:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So now it becomes like, oh, he must be probably like that because of that.
21:32
[SPEAKER_01]: You build the reputation right because of three guys you mentioned beforehand.
21:35
[SPEAKER_01]: They all took teams that they went and held to the playoffs.
21:39
[SPEAKER_01]: With an ass with a ploro.
21:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's that's something that it looked man.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I've always been on the mindset I can learn from my losses.
21:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I can also learn from my successes but other people's successes.
21:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I can even learn from my enemies.
21:53
[SPEAKER_02]: very mac and vellian i try to think of times you know it's like take it like a really never bladdy actually came to u.s.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.a.c.
22:19
[SPEAKER_02]: He, he did very well when Caleb Williams wasn't playing.
22:22
[SPEAKER_02]: I know this is a little stupid because I'm talking about a holiday ball and it's like holiday ball who cares.
22:27
[SPEAKER_02]: But he did set a holiday ball record with six touchdowns.
22:30
[SPEAKER_02]: So Miller Moss played some decent football for the Trojan's before he transferred over to Louisville.
22:36
[SPEAKER_02]: So bring down Miller Moss, man.
22:38
[SPEAKER_02]: He backed up Caleb Williams pretty good at USC, back him up again pretty well.
22:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like why the heck not?
22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: To your point to Alex and it's great point to bring up as far as it's as you have, but again, we're talking types, and you look at him, you look at Bayjan and you look at this offense, you think about Jared golf, you know, I can find a bunch of Caleb Williams in the draft, you're just not, you know, I can find that blend of athleticism and talent and all everything else that he brings to the table.
23:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So when Lou that, what do you find more rough, what's what's in with that, so what can I find that can can be accentuated in.
23:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be accentuated and...
23:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been Johnson's name.
23:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been Johnson's name exactly, exactly.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing.
23:18
[SPEAKER_01]: You have someone that can fit the system, so to speak.
23:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're able to develop.
23:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you know, that's a word that just didn't really happen here over the last decade plus develop.
23:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, using the packers as an example, those quarterbacks didn't stay.
23:33
[SPEAKER_01]: They got traded away, which provided you extra draft capital and talent to fill all the positions.
23:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you keep doing that.
23:42
[SPEAKER_01]: our far your drafting back because you have enough, you know, talent possibilities with the draft choices you have to keep continuing and then you can trade up, you can move around.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do things because that's what you have to do when you're winning.
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at what the Eagles have been doing or less over years, but the cheese have been doing.
23:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to find ways to creatively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: can send you to increase your ability to acquire talent.
24:04
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Glenn.
24:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So bear with me, can we go down fantasy land a little bit?
24:08
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about the Packers trade, and all of these backup QBs.
24:12
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got a backup QB controversy that I have literally invented right now that doesn't exist because we are in fantasy land.
24:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say Miller Moss, backup QB extraordinaire, USC, six touchdowns of the holiday bull, that doesn't even count.
24:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say big time QB goes down training camp.
24:35
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a playoff team.
24:36
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going, oh, what was me?
24:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Our backup QB is in very good.
24:41
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, if Miller Moss is looking like, okay, by the way, we self-case key them on this roster.
24:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we talking about trading away?
24:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for that.
24:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for that.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.
24:54
[SPEAKER_02]: The potential to trade away, Tyson Beijing.
24:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Get us a second or two round pick, and now we're right with Miller boss.
25:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'll raise you your fantasy with another, you know, fantasy, fantasy.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, another fantasy, tangential fantasy, but along with that, let's just say that Caleb get hurt for two or three games and really show and then, and Bayon shows really well.
25:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I think Bayon even more so.
25:26
[SPEAKER_01]: deserves an opportunity to go somewhere and compete for a starting job somewhere.
25:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Now there can be a lot of quarterbacks to come out next next season.
25:35
[SPEAKER_01]: So that can put a bit of a crimp instead of the fact that's the reality part of that they put a crimp instead of the fantasy we're talking about.
25:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But with that being said, there's going to be a team that is not going to get one of these quarterbacks that's coming out next year.
25:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And they may still be in position where
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: a team.
25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so, so if someone that looks like they could be good enough until they get another player and and then you know and maybe they take a chance on him and he becomes that, you know, that quarterback on on a team that that we get a fourth round or fifth round or four and that would be that would be a win because he wasn't drafted.
26:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think at any point, you know, reality, the reality of it all take Tyson's not going to stay here.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to back up Caleb is all career.
26:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He just isn't so at some point the bears are going to be able to trade him.
26:24
[SPEAKER_01]: and they're going to get something for him.
26:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whether it's Miller molasses or anyone else.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think Miller, you could be good enough, potentially.
26:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the talent was there.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The talent was there.
26:36
[SPEAKER_02]: When I ask them to start, we're not going to be the starting quarterback for Chicago.
26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, no.
26:42
[SPEAKER_00]: On the Miller Moss, you mentioned, I want to get back to SEC.
26:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned, Rodent Cocaine, when he was playing football and tears, right, in Squirrel West.
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to talk about,
26:54
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't somebody roadside.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not I'm not big on this person your thoughts on because you I think also with the Miller Moss thing in this connection it's processing your thoughts on Sean McVeigh going after Ty Simpson as high as they went after Ty Simpson and your him in the future replacing Matthew staffer whenever Matthew staffer retires It's it's not quite Kayla banks, but as high risk high reward, but I get it it makes sense
27:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, I don't know if something is that guy per se, I get the reasoning, but I don't know if time seems as a guy that that reasoning is necessarily going to prove itself to be sound.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, I think making this kind of move like next year, if they had the ability to do that would make a little more sense, even if they're getting the fourth best quarterback coming out, like the fourth best quarterback coming out next year.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: may be ties since maybe better than tie Simpson, but, but, but, but you look at someone like Brock Perti at San Francisco and tie Simpson and Brock Perti and me aren't too dissimilar.
28:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're in a right system with a right play caller and the right players around you, you can still be a winner.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think tie Simpson
28:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll go and I freaking do not like Alabama.
28:21
[SPEAKER_01]: We know this, okay.
28:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But there was no running game at all in Alabama.
28:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's got to worse each year.
28:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ty Simpson, they got wherever they were.
28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not the nine wins that they got that somehow the powers that B thought was good enough to make them play off or even at least something should have been in the playoffs.
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Ty Simpson, I'd say probably seven or those wins were because of Ty Simpson.
28:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean he he he he showed it a lot more than people realize and he got beat up a little bit because of that during the season some of his productivity fell off a little bit so I think when you look at it in a totality I think the talent is there I think maybe he had another year we have a little bit fewer questions but he's not the biggest guy either I think he is classic the system fit and I think for for for the play color that you know
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's the maestro out there doing things to learn while Stafford is there.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is a different, it makes a bit of a difference as well, you know, so it makes sense.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: What I've done it, I don't think so, but it makes sense.
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And the rams have kind of done things where it's like high risk high reward, but they've been on the better side of it.
29:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess I think they'd able to hedge that better side
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: of it because of Macbay and because of the system because of the players that have been there and because this is the first year, this is in his second year, this is in his fifth year.
29:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's a good machine right now, it's a good system right now.
29:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you can hedge your bets a little bit more so cause you have a big bag and you put me faith in that.
30:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm in favor of tires.
30:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And it all goes, it's totally totally.
30:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So my last draft, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
30:09
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was just saying that that I joked, but you know, a couple years ago, he almost retired or at least left the hands.
30:15
[SPEAKER_00]: We left them left the ramps, yeah.
30:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Which to me.
30:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of want him to leave the Rams for something that I desire in another city that may be going away from that city to another state, because I want him and who was my favorite quarterback, but some other things have popped up and maybe go.
30:48
[SPEAKER_00]: This this this this division as far as the bears, the Vikings, the lions and the pack of the draft.
30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you rank those out for this past draft.
31:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's interesting.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I give.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I give the lions.
31:09
[SPEAKER_01]: The Blake Miller was a good pick.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as that happened, I get looked at my cousin, I said, oh, Pena is going back to the left tackle.
31:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he was at a working.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going back to the left tackle.
31:19
[SPEAKER_01]: That's I see that.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: He's athletic enough.
31:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He's accomplished enough.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So that makes sense.
31:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the draft picks made sense if they weren't, like, if it didn't have the sizzle behind them that you would want your draft to kind of produce at least in your mindset.
31:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would give the Lions probably seat plusish.
31:41
[SPEAKER_01]: the packers.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they got some of the positions they needed.
31:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know like like C say I'm like I think he's all right, but I don't know if he's but then you know there's a new defensive coordinator so we'll see.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll give them like a C plus B minus with Vikings, it's high risk, high reward.
32:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like I give them an incomplete.
32:08
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
32:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Not met as someone who's analyzing anything or, you know, making assessments about it's just like as a fan like you know what to do I'm finally one of those teams where I have one of those quarterbacks where those where the miraculous is happening to us right where the miraculous isn't an accident, but we make them a regular hit to like.
32:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, Geron's miraculous kind of wins, you know.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They've stuck stuff, just pulling stuff out you know, you might you know, just yeah, Mike Brown, you know, doing this thing.
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, this is from a guy that I want to keep just a feels to could please continue.
33:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so, but those those were like those are miracles.
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are miraculous last year was making the miraculous be part of the norm.
33:20
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different and it was different and you saw it happen.
33:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And you saw the confidence drove from that and you like, oh,
33:25
[SPEAKER_01]: You saw the belief, you know, and it was throughout.
33:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was so, it was just enjoyable.
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Beating the Packers the way we beat them, you know?
33:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
33:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
33:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Have an approach now that lives in the petty, you know?
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's his whole thing.
33:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he came in purposely petty.
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He is continuously, you know, he's continuing that petty is going forward.
33:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And not trying from it at all and not asking.
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: to be who is and being sound in that.
33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, all right, cool.
33:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, watching, you know, the defense not be the defenses that I've seen of all, but still be dramatic and still do things dramatically.
34:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And watching the offense, they develop such a personality that is one that we can live in.
34:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And the enjoyable part of it was, I know this is just the beginning.
34:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a fan.
34:18
[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of that part of my doing this just to begin.
34:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was good as a fan just a fan I was good after the first loss to Green Bay after the loss of Green Bay I was good.
34:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I might do this this is this is going to get so much better.
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even tripping like we don't make the playoffs that's cool.
34:35
[SPEAKER_01]: and then like, oh, we making the playoffs.
34:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we get to play to make you an alien to play on my own, man.
34:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I might do.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I might, everyone's like stripped everything.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's stressing.
34:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, we might lose.
34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was, it was, it was it.
34:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't even, we were going to lose.
34:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We, that smoke was, we was smoking that pack.
34:50
[SPEAKER_00]: like that green pay pack.
34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like everything you say right there.
34:55
[SPEAKER_00]: We were Alex and I were right there too if they didn't make the playoffs but the progression they had made.
35:01
[SPEAKER_00]: When you say last year being that I don't know because partially I think and this isn't the you thing we forget about how stressful and up and down parts was but that also makes it so much special because that's how special it was you forget how it was like the offense what the hell is going on?
35:17
[SPEAKER_00]: That's
35:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, but then, um, me, listen, I've been, I've wanted Ben Johnson to be the bare set coach for so many years to actually, like, Josh Schrock told me I was crazy.
35:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't coming.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I think the bears make more sense than Vegas does.
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And for him to choose, I was like, I think this is the job he wanted.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: And he would have been here if Maddie prefers wasn't sustained another year or whatever.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: For him to decide this is the place for them to move up and that this is no slant slander to Justin feels I hope Justin feels fine himself in Kansas City.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that's a place that can really cuz I'm always gonna be pro Justin feels but
35:57
[SPEAKER_00]: this was the move to make, even though the Civil War, the Civil War developed out of the old situation.
36:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, and one thing that I think Alex and I was trying to express at the end of last year is just to enjoy that.
36:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it everything that you just said?
36:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I think encapsulates how we also felt.
36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there anything else I could tell you?
36:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I got one last thing.
36:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I got one last thing.
36:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, I know you're saying Miller Moss lost out to Jade and my avid.
36:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it.
36:24
[SPEAKER_02]: What we do this guy lost to Jade and my listen, Jade and my avid is going to win the Heisman.
36:28
[SPEAKER_02]: next year.
36:29
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm planting my flag right there.
36:31
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't forget Miller Moss beat out Jackson Dart, by the way.
36:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Jackson Dart was a USC QB.
36:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Miller Moss beat him out.
36:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Jackson Dart had to go off the Ole Miss it.
36:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about a UDFA who beat Jackson Dart out for his job.
36:44
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got Caleb Williams to beat Spencer Rattler.
36:46
[SPEAKER_02]: You got Miller Moss to beat out Jackson Dart.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: All I'm saying is listen.
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes,
36:53
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy beat out Jackson Dart at USC and sent, sent Mr. Dart to Ole Miss.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the guy's so so stuck in the muscles of those mysteries, wouldn't it?
37:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the mystery, the mystery, the mystery, the mystery and everything.
37:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm with you Alex, I'm with you.
37:10
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna put it all together.
37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, string thank you.
37:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
37:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Today, I show have the extra point to close out this show.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been into the NBA Playoffs heavy this year.
37:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And in that, and also from what we've all done in the past and now, I view shows of the halftime and approach pre-show,
37:34
[SPEAKER_00]: The prime show needs to be adjusted.
37:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here for trace immigration.
37:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who stole Vince Carter's money and the reason I'm saying this is because his suits do not represent the longevity of the contracts he had within the NFL and also Vince, we know you went to UNC you do not have to color code.
37:55
[SPEAKER_00]: some part of that Carolina blue and majority of your suits.
38:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the hell mellow is doing and.
38:03
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
38:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's someone who has to learn text.
38:06
[SPEAKER_00]: If someone who used to partake back in the days, brush your dees, all right, and for dees for Chicago Chicago isn't going to grow up in the past is the lips, all right, brush your dees, all right, also on this, I don't know what the hell.
38:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Dreyman Green was going to be good doing commentating and this I didn't even see the Barclay clip to when I was watching him on the inside the NBA take two days ago, two nights ago.
38:34
[SPEAKER_00]: First he was bad, the big board he was bad, but for him, and I think this is a major point, and I'm sick of this, and it's the reason why these young players and not the their old players now, I'm talking about LeBron and then Kevin Durant, Chase Titles.
38:49
[SPEAKER_00]: The slander on Charles Barkley's career is nuts, all right, and I'm tired of people not doing history, right?
38:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Charles Barkley
39:04
[SPEAKER_00]: was converted to quote unquote powerful.
39:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Even the let me say this too.
39:07
[SPEAKER_00]: When you have a twin towers, that means they're both sinners.
39:12
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you don't have a sinner in a powerful and called them twin towers.
39:17
[SPEAKER_00]: You ain't cart right.
39:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of us don't think about that twin towers.
39:20
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Ralph Samson, Elijah one, guess what this?
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: baby twin towers and curry and Chandler.
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: But the pants into this, when they separate, they play center primarily.
39:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, pop of it's told you, Tim Duncan is a damn center, all right?
39:38
[SPEAKER_00]: They just, so just put in point in that out, or it's Tim Duncan, if there's gonna be the greatest power for it, cool, he's the greatest power for it.
39:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Game back to my point.
39:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Charles Barkley was an effin' phenomenon, all right?
39:50
[SPEAKER_00]: you didn't see it and he liked, he let's y'all joke about him, this dude was ridiculous at 64 and a half, 65, leading the league at times that rebound and being in blocked out, you couldn't stop him, he can handle the ball and this is another thing I was talking to my friend group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you have these and I don't care if you think LeBron is better than Jordan, I'm going to tell you the difference from Jordan damn if then everybody outside of Bill Russell Jordan stopped the greats in his career from getting titles, everybody eats when LeBron was eating, all right, everybody, no, LeBron and tell me who LeBron stopped me well, um, what's the kids, I'm, let's you know how I rate I am right now, what's the guy's name that was the bear the bull shooting guard that went to Sacramento, both of them went.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one from Toronto.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so this is, this is why I'm being so petty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Martin Rosen is not viewed as a champion player, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm just talking about like those Atlanta teams, like the teams that LeBron blocked from getting to the finals, none of those guys were going to win the dare finals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Youink, Malone, Stockton, Barkley, you could put KJ on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know why he's doing media now with his past stuff and we're just oblivious to some of the history that he has.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great player, um, but the, the number of players
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can put Gary Payton on every day with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a shot camp on there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the players that Jordan block from getting a title, you don't see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're so when you're disembarkly, you're dishing him from getting all the way to the finals and losing to one of the greatest players of all time Charles Barkley.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great my green to say that about Charles Barkley and Houston is so vastly disrespectful from a great role player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dremon Green is a fantastic role player, like you're an elite role player, but for you to talk disrespectfully to Charles Barkley like that, I'm just kind of sick and tired of that for me, everybody is and Alex does extra points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I add a title blocker?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You were talking about Hakeemologicalon, he was the title blocker for Hakeemologicalon, when you're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When Jordan was gone, all of a sudden they could win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I can't really block a team because I never played them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Different cops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was I'm okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's that's beyond us if they had delayed in those finals don't don't Texas triangle Texas triangle was the issue for those bulls.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, and now that's that for me Glenn Morgan alright make sure you check out easy smoking the GM give me the hot sauce Alex and I are always a be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be here next week
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[SPEAKER_00]: for the Windows City podcast, you know, a fan side of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you all, and we appreciate you all for listening to me rant about basketball on a bear's to-to-pocass, just kidding.