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Don't Poo — Vote! · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau. I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Tommy Vitor. Lovett, you're in New York. Are you
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  Speaker 2: doing some last-minute canvassing for Cuomo?
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  Speaker 1: No, I'm doing... It's more like hurricane or war reporting
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  Speaker 1: as I watch the people escape the city before the
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  Speaker 1: socialists take over. A lot of BMW X5s with their
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  Speaker 1: stuff loaded on the roof like they're Okies. Pretty exciting
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  Speaker 1: time here.
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  Speaker 2: Just trying to stuff all the means of production you
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  Speaker 2: can in your pockets before you take off.
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  Speaker 1: It's my last time visiting New York City as a
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  Speaker 1: business owner. Excited to be here, part of a... a
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  Speaker 1: commune of some kind in the future. But for now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here as a management.
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  Speaker 4: Bill Ackman's just throwing all the words into his bucket
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  Speaker 4: for his long, long tweets.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the character. That's right. Enjoy the grocery stores while
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  Speaker 2: you can. On today's show, we'll talk about Trump's lengthy
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  Speaker 2: 60 Minutes interview from Mar-a-Lago that was recorded just hours
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  Speaker 2: before hosting a great Gatsby-themed Halloween party in the midst
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  Speaker 2: of a government shutdown he refuses to do anything about.
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  Speaker 2: We'll also cover the newsiest moments from that interview, which
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  Speaker 2: includes Trump's new urge to test nuclear weapons, potential ground
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  Speaker 2: wars in Venezuela and Nigeria, and his push to end
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  Speaker 2: the filibuster. There you go. We'll also talk about the
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  Speaker 2: Intramaga battle over Tucker Carlson and white nationalist Nick Fuentes,
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  Speaker 2: as well as all the last-minute activity in the big
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  Speaker 2: elections wrapping up today. Then I'll be talking to George Redis,
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  Speaker 2: the combat veteran and American citizen who was detained yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: by ICE while driving to work and put in solitary
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  Speaker 2: confinement for three days with absolutely no due process whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Wild story and raging story. But let's start with Trump's
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  Speaker 2: big interview with 60 Minutes' Nora O'Donnell. His first sit-down
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  Speaker 2: with the show since CBS and Paramount chose to pay
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  Speaker 2: him a $ 16 million settlement over their decision to not
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  Speaker 2: air one part of one answer that Kamala Harris gave
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  Speaker 2: during her 60 Minutes interview during the 2024 campaign. It
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  Speaker 2: was also Trump's first interview since David Ellison, son of
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  Speaker 2: Trump donor and close ally Larry Ellison, took over CBS
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  Speaker 2: and installed Barry Weiss as the news division's editor-in-chief. Trump,
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  Speaker 2: of course, brought up the settlement during the interview, as
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  Speaker 2: well as all the good things he's heard about Weiss.
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  Speaker 2: But he also faced some tough, newsy questions from Nora
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  Speaker 2: on a range of topics that we'll go through. But
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  Speaker 2: let's start with deportations and military deployments.
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  Speaker 5: Americans have been watching videos of ICE tackling a young mother.
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  Speaker 5: tear gas being used in a Chicago residential neighborhood, and
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  Speaker 5: the smashing of car windows. Have some of these raids
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  Speaker 5: gone too far?
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  Speaker 3: No, I think they haven't gone far enough.
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  Speaker 6: You're okay with those tactics?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have to get the people out.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you promised in your campaign that you were going
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  Speaker 5: to deport the worst of the worst.
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  Speaker 6: Violent criminals, rapists.
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  Speaker 5: But a lot of the people that your administration has
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  Speaker 5: arrested and deported aren't violent criminals.
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  Speaker 6: Landscapers, nannies. construction workers, farm workers.
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  Speaker 5: You said, if we need more than the National Guard,
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  Speaker 5: we'll send more than the National Guard. What does that mean,
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  Speaker 5: send more than the National Guard?
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  Speaker 7: Well, if you had to send in the Army or
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  Speaker 7: if you had to send in the Marines, I'd do
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  Speaker 7: that in a heartbeat.
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  Speaker 6: So you're going to send the military into American cities?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if I wanted to, I could, if I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to use the Insurrection Act.
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  Speaker 7: The Insurrection Act has been used routinely by presidents. And
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  Speaker 7: if I needed it, that would mean I could bring
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  Speaker 7: in the Army, the Marines, I could bring in whoever
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  Speaker 7: I want.
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  Speaker 3: But I haven't chosen to use it. I hope you
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  Speaker 3: give me credit for that.
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  Speaker 2: So those answers both sound to me like Stephen Miller,
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  Speaker 2: very much still running the show and maybe Trump's information diet.
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  Speaker 2: What'd you guys make of those answers, Tommy?
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  Speaker 4: Um, I tend to take Trump at his word that
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't think it's gone far enough. I mean, it
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  Speaker 4: would have been very easy. Obviously he didn't have the
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  Speaker 4: benefit of the video of some of those worst excesses,
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  Speaker 4: but it'd be very easy to rhetorically distance yourself from
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  Speaker 4: like abuses or harming American citizens.
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  Speaker 2: And there's real political risk. I think for Trump, if.
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  Speaker 4: People begin to think that the raids have gone too
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  Speaker 4: far and like stories about Americans getting beat up, George Redis,
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  Speaker 4: the story, uh, the priest we've talked about who got
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  Speaker 4: shot in the head with a pepper ball, uh, raids
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  Speaker 4: at home depots, like, you know, your sort of feature
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  Speaker 4: stories about someone who's lived here for 30 years. and
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  Speaker 4: is now getting deported despite not having done anything. Like
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  Speaker 4: those are bad. People don't like that. And I think
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  Speaker 4: it's telling that he doesn't distance himself there. And also
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  Speaker 4: the policy itself has gotten more extreme. And, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like that's happening with personnel too. Like Tom Homan seemingly
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  Speaker 4: wasn't extreme enough for these guys. They've elevated this nut,
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  Speaker 4: Greg Bovino, who is behind a lot of the worst
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  Speaker 4: stuff happening in Chicago, for example, like the tear gassing
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  Speaker 4: of kids trick-or-treating. They made up a new title for him.
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  Speaker 4: He's now the commander at large. He reports directly to
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  Speaker 4: Kristi Noem. So I like Stephen Miller is clearly a
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  Speaker 4: huge driver of the policy.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: But Trump seemed to think he seems to like it.
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  Speaker 2: Love it. What do you've been you've been going back
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  Speaker 2: and forth on the Insurrection Act and the potential invocation
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  Speaker 2: of the Insurrection Act. I thought it was interesting that
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  Speaker 2: he like wants credit for not doing it yet.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So part of this, I do think it he
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  Speaker 1: will never when asked by a mainstream journalist, are you
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  Speaker 1: going too far? He will never, ever.
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  Speaker 2: Say yes.
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  Speaker 1: But if he's called by his, say, agricultural secretary about
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  Speaker 1: raids at meatpacking plants causing a problem for business, all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden he'll pop off about how, yeah, we've
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  Speaker 1: got to deport people, but we also need people to
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  Speaker 1: do the farming and do the growing and do the
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  Speaker 1: jobs and the landscaping. So I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: represents any kind of actual shift or kind of new
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  Speaker 1: insight into what he actually thinks, but he will not
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  Speaker 1: give an inch on any of this when he's going
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  Speaker 1: to talk to a mainstream journalist because he wants to
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  Speaker 1: do his sort of tough guy performance. I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: he's asked about people who support his policies on immigration
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  Speaker 1: broadly or voted for him because they thought he would
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  Speaker 1: crack down on the border, that view his success at
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  Speaker 1: the border as something that they appreciate, but worry about this,
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  Speaker 1: what he would say if it's framed more towards the
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  Speaker 1: people who actually kind of are aligned with him. But
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  Speaker 1: beyond that, he is going down this dark path and
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  Speaker 1: does not seem at least rhetorically interested in stopping.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of wonder if what he would have
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  Speaker 2: said if he was asked about like the ProPublica story
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  Speaker 2: that sort of detailed all of the American citizens who've
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  Speaker 2: been detained. I imagine he would just be like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know anything about that. And they're just sort
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  Speaker 2: of like, they wave it off. To your point, Tommy,
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  Speaker 2: the new NBC News poll that came out over the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: you know, By 55% to 44%, people do not think
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  Speaker 2: the current deployments of National Guard troops are justified. ICE
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  Speaker 2: is viewed positively by only 39% of Americans, and 50%
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  Speaker 2: view ICE negatively, including two-thirds of Black and Hispanic voters
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  Speaker 2: view ICE negatively. And those negative views, apparently, of ICE,
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  Speaker 2: that's like a new high. It's doubled since 2020. And obviously,
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  Speaker 2: they weren't too... they weren't too loved in 2020 either.
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  Speaker 2: So that is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And, and also just, there's also been a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: reporting about division inside the administration between ICE and the
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  Speaker 1: border patrol about those that believe ICE is being tagged
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  Speaker 1: for some of the worst excesses of the border patrol
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  Speaker 1: people inside of those agencies that believe they're going too
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  Speaker 1: far in a way that is like redounding to like
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  Speaker 1: negative perceptions of, of the agency and are not sort
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  Speaker 1: of contributing to the goals they set out to achieve
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. So I, I do think beneath this,
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  Speaker 1: there is still that actual political problem. He's just not
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  Speaker 1: going to answer it in a question that's about like,
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  Speaker 1: are you tough enough, sir?
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  Speaker 2: I will say just broadly watching the 60 Minutes interview,
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  Speaker 2: it really it stands out how long it's been since
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  Speaker 2: he sat down for a full interview with a real journalist.
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  Speaker 2: Because I think Nora did a good job. She also
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  Speaker 2: just had so many things to get through that even
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  Speaker 2: on something like that, you can't really follow up more
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  Speaker 2: than once or twice because you really have to talk
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  Speaker 2: about a whole bunch of shit.
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  Speaker 4: And he gave her 90 minutes. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 4: a long interview. Like, again, the one thing this guy
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  Speaker 4: does is he makes himself available. Usually it's Marjorie Taylor
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  Speaker 4: Greene's boyfriend more than anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, 90 minutes. Trump was also asked about
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  Speaker 2: his recent pardon of Binance founder CZ, who was serving
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  Speaker 2: time for failing to stop terrorist money laundering. on his platform.
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  Speaker 2: The pardon came after CZ publicly asked for a pardon
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  Speaker 2: and after Binance made sure that Trump's family crypto coin
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  Speaker 2: was used to facilitate a $ 2 billion investment. Complete coincidence,
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  Speaker 2: of course. Here's the 60 Minutes exchange.
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  Speaker 6: Why did you pardon him?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, are you ready? I don't know who he is.
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  Speaker 7: I know he got a four-month sentence or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: And I heard it was a Biden witch hunt.
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  Speaker 5: His crypto exchange Binance helped facilitate a $ 2 billion purchase
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  Speaker 5: of World Liberty Financial's stable coin. And then you pardoned CZ.
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  Speaker 5: How do you address the appearance of pay for play?
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. I know nothing about it because
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  Speaker 3: I'm too busy doing the other.
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  Speaker 6: But he got a pardon?
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  Speaker 3: No, I can only tell you this.
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  Speaker 4: I do, look, Nora like had, good, tough questions on this.
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  Speaker 4: I do wonder if that's a moment where you throw
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  Speaker 4: away your script and you're like, you don't know the
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  Speaker 4: guy you pardoned that you've gotten a bunch of tough
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  Speaker 4: questions about, like the really corrupt guy, the money launderer.
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  Speaker 2: You don't know who that is. You just pardoned him.
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  Speaker 2: Are you not very upset right now that Joe Biden
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  Speaker 2: apparently didn't really pardon any of the people he pardoned,
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  Speaker 2: but used an auto pen? Isn't that one of your big,
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  Speaker 2: you want an investigation over that, but you don't know
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  Speaker 2: the people you're pardoning?
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  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: There's an auto pen hanging. He hung the auto pen
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  Speaker 1: in the White House because he's mad that Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: didn't know who he's pardoning. It's outrageous.
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  Speaker 8: Outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: You'll never believe this, guys, but the rest of that
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  Speaker 2: Trump answer where she asked him, is he concerned at all?
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  Speaker 2: And he says, I can't say because I can't say
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  Speaker 2: I'm not concerned. I don't I'd rather not have you
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  Speaker 2: ask the question. That part was omitted from the extended
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  Speaker 2: version of the interview on YouTube. So can we all
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  Speaker 2: sue for $ 15 million? Yeah, congrats on the new gig,
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  Speaker 2: Barry Weiss.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. Because I saw that they had
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  Speaker 1: cut it from what had aired, and I saw the
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  Speaker 1: transcript of it. It's not even in that extended cut
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  Speaker 1: on you. They just don't even have the video of it.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Austin told us. Not even on the extended cut.
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  Speaker 1: That's wild.
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  Speaker 4: It is just, for folks who have been following this,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, CZ did four months in jail. Binance paid $ 4. 3
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  Speaker 4: billion in fines. It was the largest settlement in U.S.
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  Speaker 2: History.
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  Speaker 4: And again, they willfully fail to report financial transactions with
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  Speaker 4: Al-Qaeda and ISIS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Hamas. There was money
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  Speaker 4: going to Iran and other sanctioned companies. There was money
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  Speaker 4: going to websites selling child sex abuse material. And the
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  Speaker 4: willful piece of so is so important. Like the, the
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  Speaker 4: New Yorker quoted Binance's chief compliance officer saying, I assume
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  Speaker 4: it's like a Slack message or something saying like, come on,
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  Speaker 4: they are here for crime. They knew what their customers
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  Speaker 4: were doing. And so, but it Trump, Like he pardons
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  Speaker 4: this guy, obviously, because Binance, they wrote the code to
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  Speaker 4: USD one, which is the Trump family stable coin. They
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  Speaker 4: facilitated this investment into Binance by this Emirati backed firm.
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  Speaker 4: And Binance asked that it be done in USD one,
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  Speaker 4: which was barely on the map. It had like been
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  Speaker 4: launched in March. Now it's the sixth largest stable coin
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  Speaker 4: in the world. And the Trump family will make an
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  Speaker 4: estimated $ 80 million per year in interest alone off of
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  Speaker 4: that investment.
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  Speaker 2: That's how we got it. He knows nothing about it.
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  Speaker 2: He knows nothing about it. He knows nothing about it. Ready?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know this guy. He was, like, proud of
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  Speaker 2: the answer, too.
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  Speaker 9: Ready? Ready?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea who he is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, like, you think you've got me in
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  Speaker 1: some kind of gotcha? Guess what? I don't have a
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  Speaker 1: fucking clue who this guy is. My doing this wasn't corruption.
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  Speaker 1: It's pure incompetence. The other part of this, too, like,
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  Speaker 1: all these pardons, like, Santos, CZ, the insurrectionists, Like right now,
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  Speaker 1: there are people inside the Department of Justice, the FBI,
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors looking at whether or not to investigate Republicans or
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  Speaker 1: other allies of Trump. Like, I don't know how you
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  Speaker 1: would like bring yourself to put the energy and hard
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  Speaker 1: work into what it takes to do one of these prosecutions,
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  Speaker 1: to do one of these investigations when you know that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have the legs cut out from under
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  Speaker 1: you the second anybody gets a call into Trump because
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  Speaker 1: he is pardoning anybody he's basically made it so that
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  Speaker 1: Republicans or his closest allies cannot be held accountable for
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  Speaker 1: federal crimes.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think those people should worry because I don't
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  Speaker 2: think they're going to get assigned to any more of
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  Speaker 2: these cases while Donald Trump is president. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be a priority for the department.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, did George Santos get hired to do
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  Speaker 4: something with DOJ? He posted this photo of himself now
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  Speaker 4: that he's out and he's like, I'm doing something working
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  Speaker 4: with DOJ in some way, but it wasn't clear what
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  Speaker 4: he's talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure sky's the limit. Deputy Attorney General,
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  Speaker 2: what does he want? Yeah, give him a gig.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to go talk to school kids about, you know, But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like staying clean, that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Staying clean. So on CZ, Trump's going with no idea
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  Speaker 2: who he is. But on Sunday, when he was asked
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  Speaker 2: about Prince Andrew being banished from the British royal family
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  Speaker 2: over his involvement in the Epstein scandal, Trump said, quote,
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  Speaker 2: that's been a tragic situation and it's too bad. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I feel badly for the family. Not exactly a characteristic
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  Speaker 2: show of empathy from Donald Trump, is it?
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  Speaker 4: Not the families of the victims. He feels bad for
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  Speaker 4: the royal family. I mean, again, remember, so this book
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  Speaker 4: came out by an Epstein victim named Virginia Giuffre. She
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  Speaker 4: died by suicide in February. In that book, she says
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  Speaker 4: she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew after
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  Speaker 4: being trafficked by Epstein. And that Prince Andrew said to
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  Speaker 4: her that his daughters were, quote, just a little younger
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  Speaker 4: than you on the evening of their first alleged sexual
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  Speaker 4: encounter when she was 17. So this guy is a
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  Speaker 4: total scumbag. It has been known at the time he
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  Speaker 4: did this disastrous 2019 interview with the BBC where he
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  Speaker 4: said he had no recollection of meeting Giuffre. But then
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  Speaker 4: he settles a lawsuit with her for like tens of
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  Speaker 4: millions of dollars. So it's gross. He lied about cutting
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: ties with Epstein. There's emails that prove it. But yeah,
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: but Trump's empathy is with the royal family.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I just don't get like love it. It's like he
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: he could have so easily given an answer there. That's like, no,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: you know what? Good. He's a creep. Just like Jeffrey
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Epstein's a creep and that's why I kicked him out
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: of my club and I don't have anything to do
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: with these people. What is the purpose? Who is this
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: helping aside from Prince Andrew? I have no fucking idea.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: It's actually strange. He's shown a great deal of empathy
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: in the past couple of weeks for Argentinian beef producers
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: and Prince Andrew. That's sort of where his heart goes.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because he is thinking about
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: prince charles and trying to like you know be sympathetic
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: to prince charles in some way because he's a king
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: and he likes kings it's just fucking bizarre or is
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: it just that andrew knows shit.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah i mean you gotta go to the lane maxwell
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: my first first it was i wish her well back
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: during the campaign now now she's in a minimum security
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: now she was transferred to a nice prison and yeah
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: who knows if she'll get the pardon herself.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Maybe andrew will live in a compound on mar-a-lago he
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: needs he needs housing He's getting kicked out of his palace.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe he'll be at the next Gatsby party.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be at the Roaring Twenties events. They're doing
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: a series this year at Mar-a-Lago. Yeah, it does seem
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: like if anyone even tangentially related to this situation, he
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: has nothing but warm words. Until they die in prison,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: then he can call them creeps.
• 16:53
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• 16:56
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  Speaker 2: of Peace also got a few questions about the military buildup.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: In illegal executions he's ordered in the Caribbean, specifically the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: threats his administration keeps making against Venezuelan dictator Nicolas Maduro.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Here's that exchange.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: Are we going to war against Venezuela?
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I doubt it. I don't think so. But they've been
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: treating us very badly, not only on drugs.
• 18:41
  Speaker 10: They've dumped hundreds of thousands of people into our country
• 18:44
  Speaker 10: that we didn't want.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: People from prison.
• 18:46
  Speaker 10: They emptied their mental institutions and their insane asylums.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Are Maduro's days as president numbered?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: I would say, yeah. I think so, yeah.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: And this issue of potential land strikes in Venezuela, is
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: that true?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I don't tell you that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 10: I mean, I'm not saying it's true or untrue, but
• 19:01
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't be inclined to say that I would do that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: But because I don't talk to a reporter about whether
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: or not I'm going to strike.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Tommy, does that sound like a guy who's just saber
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: rattling to you? Fair point at the end there.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: So the last time we talked about this issue, I
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: think I cited a stat from this think tank CSIS
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: that said about 10% of all deployed U.S. naval assets
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: were in the Caribbean. Since then, Trump has announced they're
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: sending the USS Gerald Ford, which is an aircraft carrier.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: So that means when that bad boy gets there, it
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: comes with a couple of guided missile destroyers. There will
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: be another 4,000 additional troops. I think it gets it
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: like 16,000 U.S. troops and sailors in the Caribbean total.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: And that comes on top of all the other stuff
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: like a nuclear-powered sub, an amphibious assault ship, B-52 bombers,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: B-1 bombers, F-35s. People spotted these specialized attack helicopters off
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: the coast of Venezuela training.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Silver lining, more troops in the Caribbean means fewer troops
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: available for the cities. That's true. That is true.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: But the interesting thing about this is as the Caribbean
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: buildup grows, they are increasingly hitting boats that are alleged
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: narco-traffickers in the Pacific Ocean. on the other side of
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: the continent, right? So none of this makes any sense.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: You have all these troops, 16,000 US troops in the
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Caribbean were killing people in the Pacific ocean. And so
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: there were reports last week that I think Nora was
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: getting at the US had already picked targets in Venezuela
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: on Venezuelan soiled ahead. This whole operation is reportedly being
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: run by Marco Rubio, who wants a regime change operation
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: to topple the Maduro government in part, because he thinks
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: you take down the Cuban government by taking out Maduro first.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: So it's completely insane. Um, he's also doing this while
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: demanding the Nobel peace prize, which is annoying and calling. Um,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean, it, it, it feels like there's
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of momentum behind this. We'll see if he
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: actually does it, but you.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: See that NBC news just reported to that. They've already
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: started planning. Uh, the defense department has already, sorry, department
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: of war has already started planning for, um, strikes in Mexico, uh,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: to get the cartels there. And we should know that
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the strikes aren't imminent, according to NBC News' reporting, but
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the planning has already begun.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, at least that's where fentanyl trafficking actually happens.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: There's no fentanyl in Venezuela, yet they keep claiming that
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: these ships are loaded up with fentanyl. If anything, it's cocaine,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: but it's probably not even going to the U.S.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: How many countries in Central and South America can we
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: go to war with? What is going on here? Let
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: me Google how many there are.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: It's just so sad that all this is happening while
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: John Bolton is.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: unavailable. I know.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: What a bummer for him because, I mean.
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: This is it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: It's bittersweet, would you call it?
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like he sees all this, the amassing of U.S.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: military assets off the coast and he's just like, God
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: damn it, I can't even get off on this. I'm
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: so fucking, because I'm so anxious because of my trials
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: and my crimes. Fuck, this sucks. That's what he thinks.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: This whole thing is so 80s though. It's like very
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Trumpian in that sense. It's like the worst excesses of
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: like the Reagan era, Noriega, the CIA toppling governments.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a throwback. Coke is back. Yeah,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Coke is back. I did see in some of the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: polling over the weekend, like we've previously seen polling that shows,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: you know, strikes are unfortunately quite popular, strikes in the boats,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: even like strikes, you know, lobbing a few strikes to
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Venezuela or whatever if there's narco traffickers. But then someone
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: finally asked the question, I think it was a YouGov poll,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: about like military action in Venezuela. It's very unpopular.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And this is where Trump is living, right? Which is,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: He knows that wars, people don't like wars. They don't
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: like troops. They don't like, you know, the potential loss
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: of American life or spending billions of dollars on foreign wars.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: They don't like any of that, but they do like it.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: If he can just pretend that the whole thing is
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: just a few quick strikes taking out boats, then he's
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: got the public with him.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think like, you know, he'll win a couple
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: rounds of PR wars and headlines, but ultimately fentanyl goes
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: from chemicals in China that get sent to Mexico where
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: they're put together in traffic to the United States. If
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: you're worried about cocaine, the problem is much more coming
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: from Ecuador and Colombia. But blowing up a bunch of boats,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: you know, in the Pacific or off the coast of
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Venezuela and the Caribbean, it's just not going to solve
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: any problems. I mean, again, it might like Pete Hegseth
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: likes it. He likes to tweet it out and show
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: these snuff films, but you're not going to fix anything.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I also I also think it does matter, too,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: that you have Republicans coming out of these closed door
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: hearing being like, we're not satisfied with these answers. You
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: have Rand Paul saying these are the definition of extra
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: version of these are the definition of extrajudicial violence. killings,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: reports that they don't even know the names of who
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: they're killing, the idea that they're, oh, they're three hops
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: or to some, you know, three degrees from like direct
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: observation of the traffickers themselves, which is sort of like
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: absolutely shocking. So I do think the public debate will matter.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you're neighbors with the cousin of a
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: drug trafficker. You can be blown up in these strikes
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: under like a three hop intelligence scenario.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: It's insane.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Which, of course, there's no legal basis for that. It's
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: fucking made up three-hop bullshit.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Again, this is another place where people will go to jail,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: I think, someday based on this policy if Trump doesn't
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: stick around in office forever. And this is just extrajudicial murder.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Seems like Trump now wants to start wars on as
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: many continents as possible. He also threatened to attack Nigeria
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: over the weekend based on what he says is the
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: country's failure to protect Christians. Trump said he ordered the
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Department of War to prepare for possible action to wipe
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: out Islamic terrorists and that, quote, If we attack, it
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: will be fast, vicious, and sweet, just like the terrorist
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: thugs attack our cherished Christians. Tommy, what's this all about? Unclear.
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: So there are real extremist groups and real extremist group
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: problems in Nigeria. There's a group called Boko Haram. They
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: operate mostly in northeastern Nigeria. There is no evidence that
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: their attacks are focused on Christians. In fact, Boko Haram
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: just indiscriminately murders civilians. They attack churches, mosques. anyone, but they,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: they operate in areas that are predominantly Muslim. So the
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: idea that like Boko Haram is doing this is, it
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense. There's also, I mean, complicating this
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: is there's a, there's a problem in central Nigeria where
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: you've got these like semi-nomadic cattle herders attacking Christian farmers,
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: but that's fighting over scarce land and water resources. And
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: so those clashes really have killed a bunch of Christian farmers,
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: but those are not Boko Haram groups. Those are just
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: like people who need land. So the Nigerian government is
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: just like confused. I think they're, they want us support.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: They want to help battling Boko Haram and other extremist groups,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: but making this like a Muslim versus Christian thing is
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: really unhelpful. And the Nigerian president, uh, this guy bullets,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: he's married to a Christian minister.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: He's a Muslim man.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: So I think it's like hard to argue that he's
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: turning a blind eye to attacks on Christians, or at
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: least there's no evidence of that. And I think it's
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: just more like, it's really hard to battle these extremist groups. Um,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: and Nigeria is situated, in a part of Africa that
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: is just south of all these countries where there's a
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: really bad extremism problem. And there've been a bunch of
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: coups and that has led to the US and French
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: counterterrorism forces getting pushed out, the Russians coming in, the
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Wagner group and these other mercenaries. And so it's not
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: clear to me what Trump is doing. Like, I think
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: there's a bunch of right-wing Christian groups who have been
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: lobbying Congress and stuff. And I think that probably got
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: to him.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, if I had to guess, it
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: would be like something started in a right-wing fever swamp
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: online somewhere. Or maybe it's the direct lobbying that suddenly
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: got to him somehow through all of his crazy channels. Yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: People who are now running the government.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: And that's... Someone he ran into at an event or
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: at Mar-a-Lago or whatever. I mean, ultimately, this will probably
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: result in the U.S. selling a bunch more weapons to Nigeria. But, like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: it's just particularly strange. And one, it's the second time he's, like,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: claimed genocide against a group that's not being genocided. Like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: remember the white farmers in South Africa?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: And two.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: There is an actual genocide happening in Sudan as we speak,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: where the RSF, this militia group, has taken over all
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: of Darfur and are just massacring civilians. But he's tweeting
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: about Christians in Nigeria. It's just like very divorced from reality.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Fucking weird.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Dan and I talked last episode about Trump's announcement that
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the U.S. will resume nuclear testing, quote, on an equal basis.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: That's Trump's words. And Trump's seeming confusion between testing that
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: involves detonating actual nuclear warheads... which no country but North
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Korea has done since 1992, and even North Korea has
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: done it since 2017. The difference between that and testing
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: nuclear delivery devices, which Russia has recently done, Trump's energy secretary,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Chris Wright, who would be responsible for testing nukes, clarified
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: over the weekend that the tests will not be nuclear explosions,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: but Trump still seemed a bit confused on 60 Minutes.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: Why do we need to test our nuclear weapons?
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Well, because you have to see how they work.
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: We're the only country that doesn't test, and I want
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: to be, I don't want to be the only country
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: that doesn't test.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: The only country that's testing nuclear weapons is North Korea.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: China and Russia are not.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: No, no, Russia's testing nuclear weapons.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: So, my understanding... And.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: China's testing them too, you just don't know about it.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: That would be certainly very newsworthy.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: That was like a great moment for Nora.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Look, there have been moments, like it's an impossible conversation
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: to have with Donald Trump. He's all over the place.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: You've got every issue under the sun. You got Barry
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Weiss in the rafters above the fucking studio waiting to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: pounce down if you go too hard. Like really like
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a delicate balance. But man, just incredibly stupid shit.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: It is funny listening to Nora tried to be like, well,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: it's my understanding, meaning like the facts are, Mr. President,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: because once again, I have to tell you something that's
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: real since you're in fucking La La Land.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Tommy, should we rest easier after Chris Wright's comments or no?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I hope so.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, like you said, I mean, the Russians basically
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: like whenever it seems like NATO is going to have
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: some balls and maybe send long range weapons to Ukraine,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Putin does something to sort of rattle the nuclear saber.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: And this time it was again, talking about this nuclear
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: cruise missile, which he claims to have tested, which they
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: rolled out in 2018, by the way. So this one
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: wasn't new. And then they say they have this other
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: like a super torpedo that can get to the East
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: Coast or the West Coast and detonate and cause a tsunami,
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: which a lot of people question would ever work. But
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: also neither weapon like changes the strategic calculus of nuclear warfare,
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: which is if you start it, like mutually assured destruction
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: will happen in any of these cases, right? So these
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: are not like game changing weapons. And so What Trump
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: is talking about, I mean, it makes no sense. Like
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: you said, we stopped nuclear testing in 1992. There's the
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty was put into place in 1996.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: The U.S. doesn't need to test more nuclear weapons because
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: we've tested more nuclear weapons than anybody. We've done like 1,000
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: tests since World War II. The Russians did around 700.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: The Chinese did 45. Nice try, guys. And we have
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: more nuclear testing data than anybody. And if we get
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: rid of the restrictions on testing... What will happen? The
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: Chinese will test a ton of nuclear weapons as they
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: raced to build a stockpile that's equivalent to ours before
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: they'll enter into any non-proliferation treaties. So it's a terrible
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: strategic idea. Where are you going to do it? Are
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: we going to go back to Nevada? I think what
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: the energy secretary is getting at is the nuclear testing
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: site has been refurbished to be to do other things.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: You would take like a year to three years to
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: like get that back to a place where you could
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: actually test nuclear weapons.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: It's mostly focused on sports betting now.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Just the Cal Sheehan. It's a lot of servers for
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: those apps.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: Like people in Nevada would go nuts if all of
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: a sudden we were detonating nukes in the continental US again.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: So anyway, it's just crazy, but there's parts of the
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: conservative movement that actually do want to do this. Like
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: it was part of project 25.
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: They talked about essentially like they said, We should ditch
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: the CTBT and be postured to begin testing nukes again,
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: because some people really believe that the way you win
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: a nuclear war is just by creating more nukes, which
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: is like kind of an idea abandoned by Ronald Reagan
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: in the 80s.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: But I don't know. These people are nuts. It's funny.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Just probably 2025, of course, like, oh, yeah, there's a
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: nuclear section. It's also it's like their whole philosophy in
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: that thing was like no good ideas in a brainstorm.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Just like if you thought of something that would make
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the world a more dangerous and scary place, we want
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: it in here because this is our fucking shot. Did
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: you see that when he started talking about Taiwan that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he said now he it was similar to what he
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: said about Maduro. He said, I'm not going to tell
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you you're a journalist. But he said, she knows what
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I would do. if he were to invade Taiwan, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you. That's stupid.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Because you know what the answer is? Nothing.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Right, exactly.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: But just follow it out. It's like, if you've told him,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you can tell us. If you haven't told him, I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: get maybe why you might not want to tell us,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: but it seems like you've said you've told him, so
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you can tell us.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: You take Taiwan, we get access to the chips that
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: we need from them. That's our deal. You buy a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: little crypto. That's my, without knowing much, that's just probably
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: what's in Trump's head. I also dope you for a second.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: And I got a lot of beans. Beans for chips.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I don't believe for a second that Taiwan didn't come
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: up at the Xi Jinping meeting.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: There was all this reporting going into it that Xi
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: thinks he can get Trump to reduce our commitment to
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: Taiwan and basically say that we will not intervene if
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: he moves to invade and just trade that away for
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: some sort of economic deal. I'm sure that is on
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the table and is likely to happen. Yeah, but Trump there,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to tell anyone. I'm only going to
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: tell my buddy Xi.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: So Trump also waited on the other nuclear option in
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the 60 Minutes interview, getting rid of the filibuster once
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: and for all. Here's Nora O'Donnell asking Trump about the
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: ongoing government shutdown.
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: Sounds like it's not going to get solved, the shutdown.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: It's going to get solved, yeah. Oh, it's going to
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: get solved.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: How?
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: We'll get it solved. Eventually, they're going to have to vote.
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: And if they don't vote, that's their problem.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Now, I happen to agree to something else. I think
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: we should do the nuclear option. This is a totally
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: different nuclear, by the way. It's called... ending the filibuster.
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: I like John Thone, I think he's terrific, but I
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: disagree with him on this point.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: He said today he wasn't going to do it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: Well, that's too bad.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: First time you learn that information. That's too bad. Should
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: we send Donald Trump an Abolish the Filibuster t-shirt from
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the Crooked merch store? Because we're selling them at one point.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe a hat.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the club.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: A red hat.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, welcome to the resistance.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: What do you guys make of that? There's basically three
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: ways this thing ends now. Dems cave. There's a deal
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: on the Affordable Care Act subsidies somehow, which means the
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Republicans and Trump cave or they get rid of the filibuster,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: which John Thune is saying no still. But Donald Trump
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: is now all in, which I'm sure did not make
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: John Thune and other Senate Republicans too happy. Love it.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: So it's not just noon. A bunch of them are
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: pretty firm in saying no.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: On the filibuster.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: And even Mike Johnson made the point that if they
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: get rid of the filibuster, it will make it easier
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: for Dems to do a bunch of stuff that he
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: doesn't think Congress should do. So like right now, they
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: do not have 50 votes to get rid of the filibuster,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: full stop. Even if you take John Thune out of it,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: there's a bunch of other people, Collins, Tillis, a few
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: others that are all just no. And so, you know,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: maybe that breaks or maybe they find some rhetorical way
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: around it. I mean, they've already, you know, the filibuster
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: has been slowly chipped away at in so many different ways.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But it seems like that's going to hold at least
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: for the short term.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't tell like why they're so maybe I
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: know they don't have the votes, but I do think
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: that in terms of public pressure, you can see during
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: this whole answer, you can see Trump wrestling with this
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: because he's like, you know, nor a sort of gives
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: him the, well, you're the, you're the guy that makes
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the deals that can end this kind of stuff. And
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: he's very much like, well, yeah, I'm going to get
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: it done. I'm going to get it. How? Well, the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Democrats are going to cave. Well, what if they don't
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: cave or you're not going to get it done then?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: And then he's like, so he knows that then he
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: goes to the filibuster.
• 34:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So, cause he, he understands that the public pressure over
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: people paying more for healthcare or losing their food benefits,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. At some point, someone's going
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: to say that the public's going to be like, Hey,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, why don't you do something? You're the president
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: of the United States.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: And that time should have been several weeks ago because
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: he has been completely absent.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Completely. Doing nothing. Congress is not in session. He's not
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: doing anything. He's not making calls. Like, what's going on here?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: But if I was a Senate Democrat watching that interview,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: that would have bucked me up a little bit in
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: terms of not wanting to cave on this one.
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• 37:01
  Speaker 2: So on Monday, just a bit before we recorded this,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: the Trump administration made a partial concession in its campaign
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: to use struggling Americans' food benefits as leverage against Democrats.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: The administration had previously said they wouldn't use emergency funding
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: to make sure 42 million Americans still received SNAP benefits
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: after the money ran out on November 1st. But thanks
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to multiple courts ordering the administration to dip into the
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: emergency funding, The government now says they'll use the $ 4. 6
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: billion in the emergency fund, though they claim it's only
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: enough to fund about half of the usual monthly benefit
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: for the one in eight Americans who receive food assistance.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: It's not clear what will happen next month, but the
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: White House doesn't seem too concerned. On Friday, Trump hosted
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: a Halloween party at Mar-a-Lago. The White House told reporters
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: that the official theme was the Great Gatsby and, quote,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: a little party never killed anybody. Just right on the nose.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: The only thing that kills anybody is strikes against boats.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: That's what they're doing. And starvation if you don't have
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: a snap. Yes, also that. Trump was seen at a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: candlelit table next to Marco Rubio. Who looked miserable. Just
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: the Where's Waldo of this administration in these pictures. Find
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: someone looking like they want to die. There he is.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And D.C.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: U.S.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Attorney Jeanine Pirro in a flapper dress and headband. She
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: was right next to them, too. There were also dancers
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: in feathered headdresses working the crowd. Trump also announced last
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: week that he's completed a gut renovation of the bathroom
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: off the famous Lincoln bedroom, covering it in black and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: white marble and gold fixtures. The White House won't say
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: how much it cost or who paid for it. Trump,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: for his part, called the new look totally in keeping
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: with the Civil War era.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It is so fucking funny. It is so funny to claim.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: This is pretty much what Abraham Lincoln would have done
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: if he did a bathroom run out. And then it's
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: just this marble-clad fucking contractor flip house marble monstrosity. I
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: fucking love it. It's like the, like, whatever, the optics
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of it. We're in the middle of a shutdown. It's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: all because of moral reasons to find this gross. It
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: is so, like, offensive looking. And then to be like,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: this is, I did it in Abe's name. This is
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: what he would have wanted. He's just like an old guy.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Who is like, you know, used to do real estate,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and now he's like fucking bored, and so he just
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: keeps renovating things in his house and showing them off
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to people. Like, oh, did you see what I did
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: to the bathroom? America.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It's very great. Gatsby coded, to be honest. It's like
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the funny thing about this, it's like, Hey guys, what
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: do you think the great Gatsby was about? What do you,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: what do you think about how fun the parties were?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Is that, did I.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Know Tom and Daisy were the heroes?
• 39:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Like what do you, what do you, what do you think?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Did you finish that book?
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Understand what happened?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: You had what?
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: What happens when you stare at the green light? Do
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: you remember it all?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: No, nothing?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You didn't get to the end?
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: This is not who.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Our side of the side that knows what's in the
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Great Gatsby and then can't win a fucking election.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: Did you guys see Caroline Levitt's tweet about this? She tweeted,
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: when I first learned a toilet like that existed inside
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: the White House, I was horrified.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: That's what horrified Caroline Levitt.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Horrified.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: The toilet. The toilet in the Lincoln bedroom.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: So now she can rest easy. Also, why are we
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in there? Well, maybe she found out from True Social
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: like everyone else. Listen, when you got to go, you
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: got to go. Right, it's an emergency. Do you guys
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: think the ballroom, plus the party, plus the bathroom, plus
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: all the other blatant corruption, I mean, it feels like
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: we got a narrative here.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: We got a lot here, man.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: And maybe this is going to help define the shutdown
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: in the minds of people who are paying attention to
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: all this, or is this just wishful thinking?
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Like, one would think, I mean, Trump is clearly in
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: the YOLO position. period of his presidency, the corruption and
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: like he's normally very politically savvy, but the total disregard
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: for optics or the politics of their decision making is
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: genuinely shocking to me. I do think this is where
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: Democrats pay dearly for not having media infrastructure. Like if
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: a Democrat did this, Fox News would be crucifying them
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: all day, every day until the shutdown was over. I
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: worry that this stuff is just not reaching people. I
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: just sort of wonder, like, would it be.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Smart for somebody?
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: It could be the DNC. It could be someone who
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: wants to run for president, like a Gavin Newsom or
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: some type. To start running a series of digital ads
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: on the corruption, on the sort of optics of the ballroom,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: the CZ pardon, the toilet, like all of it. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: just get it on, you know, do a huge digital
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: buy or a long-term like low-boil one. Because I think
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: we got to get these stories in front of people.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: I think Democrats would be excited about it and would
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: promote it on social media. Like I donate to somebody.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: that was running ads on this that might actually reach
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: voters who are undecided somehow. I mean, like, let's just
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: get this message out there.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Well, and also, this is perfect fodder for a genuinely creative,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: funny ad campaign. Yes, for sure. you put out some 30,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: 60 seconds ads about this, don't talk to me. They're
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: not going anywhere. Typical narrator voice. I don't, yeah, I
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: don't want to hear that shit. Like a guitar riff.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You could do like a mini movie. Like it's very,
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: there's just so many opportunities here. Gatsby movie. I mean, yeah,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: love it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, SNL did.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: You working on something?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. Well, SNL did Property Brothers about the ballroom
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and it was great.
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: Oh, they did?
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I do think, by the way, I do think that
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: like the ballroom, I don't know, I mean, the bathroom
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: is sort of, I think, still making its way through the,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: the algorithms, but I do think the ballroom broke through
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: and like, I also do think it fits into a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: narrative that is already pretty strongly held across the board, right?
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Like the vast majority of Americans believe Donald Trump is
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: not focused on the issues he was elected, uh, to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: resolve on prices. And then he is building a brand
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: new ballroom. He's tearing down the East wing. He is
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: redoing bathrooms. He is having galas and flapper and roar
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: 20 style parties. Like if, if we can't make that something, uh,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I would say like we don't deserve to have a party,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: but I would say like we even less deserve to
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: have one.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say that the NBC poll that came
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: out over the weekend, CNN poll, I think like the
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: last batch of polling that's just been the last week
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: has been quite bad for Trump. Like it's getting it's
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: getting a little worse. He was in the sort of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: mid to low 40s. Now he's like low. You know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: NBC was 43, 55. The generic ballot is now 50,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: 42 Democrats, 70 percent. said that they want their vote
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: in the midterms to send a message about opposing the president.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: And that is the highest number in NBC polling dating
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: back 30 years. And it's gotta be that because in
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the same poll, the Democratic Party's approval rating is still
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: sitting at 28%. So they're up by eight in the
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: generic ballot, which means it's all about Trump, you know?
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Right, but a lot of those are Democrats who will
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: vote against Trump no matter what and vote against Republicans
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: in the midterms, but just don't like how Democrats, they
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: don't view them as fighting.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Hard enough.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I will say we're hitting the number that Chuck Schumer
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: said was the number we needed to get to for
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Republicans to crack. Remember when he did that? He was
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: before the previous moment where they didn't do the shutdown.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: It was that like he needed to get Trump into
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the 30s. Then all of a sudden, Republicans in Congress
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: would start playing ball. So we're here.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: We're here.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: We did it. I do love that.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: Like Trump holds a party in Mar-a-Lago that is 1920s themed.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: Jeanine Pirro is dressed like a flapper, which I believe
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: was like a modern hip woman who is like excited
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: about new social freedoms. And yet she's at this event
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: surrounded by trad wives and some of the worst excesses
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: of plastic surgery in Boca history.
• 44:22
  Speaker 11: It is.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of contradictions. One other big conversation point
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: in the political world that we haven't had the chance
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: to talk about here. Last week, Tucker Carlson sat down
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: to interview white nationalist influencer Nick Fuentes for more than
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: two hours. You might remember Fuentes as Trump's other dinner companion,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: aside from Kanye West at Mar-a-Lago in 2022. Fuentes has
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: said that, quote, Hitler is awesome and, quote, the Holocaust
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: didn't happen. He's also called J.D. Vance, quote, a fat
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: gay race traitor. In the interview with Tucker, Fuentes attempted
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: to sound slightly more mainstream, though he did accuse Jews
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: of disloyalty to America and basically said they're part of
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a global conspiracy. Here's a taste.
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: For the international Jewish community. They're extremely organized. And many
• 45:07
  Speaker 11: of them are critical of Israel or Israel's current government
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: or the project of Israel. But I guess what they
• 45:13
  Speaker 11: have in common is that they have this international community
• 45:17
  Speaker 11: across borders, extremely organized, that is putting the interests of
• 45:23
  Speaker 11: themselves before the interests of their home country.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: So Carlson really didn't push back in any substantive ways.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And this has set off a bit of a mega
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: civil war. Ben Shapiro went hard after Tucker on Monday.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: calling him, quote, an intellectual coward, a dishonest interlocutor, and
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: a terrible friend. On the other hand, Kevin Roberts, president
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: of the Heritage Foundation and one of the guys behind
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Project 2025, released a video where he criticized everyone who
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: was criticizing Carlson for having Fuentes on. He said that
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: while he, quote, abhors some things that Fuentes has said,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Fuentes shouldn't be canceled and that Heritage will be keeping
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: up its close association with Carlson, saying, quote, the Heritage
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Foundation didn't become the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: by canceling our own people or policing the consciences of Christians.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And we won't start doing that now. Coming under immediate
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: withering fire, he put out a second post listing and
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: condemning lots of horrid things Fuentes said about Jews and
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: others and appealed to young conservatives not to fall under
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: his sway. Lots of justified outrage from everywhere about this.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Love it?
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: So I do think it's important and it's been interesting, right?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Because Kevin Roberts puts out this statement. It's just like,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't cancel Nick Fuentes. I don't know what this
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: word means anymore, but yeah, you should. That's somebody to cancel.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Whatever cancellation means, if it means anything, it should mean
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: you cancel Nick Fuentes. And he approaches ideas like, oh,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: we're not going to punch to the right. We're not
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: going to criticize people on the right. I'll tell you,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: like I've been, I think it's like seeing the amount
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: of kind of outrage about this, I think has been
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: genuinely good. But I think part of this has been
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the ways in which a lot of people have turned
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: a blind eye to how anti-Semites, pure, unalloyed anti-Semites have
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: found more and more quarter inside of the MAGA movement.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And then you have people like Ben Shapiro now calling
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: it out. You have people like Ted Cruz and others
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: speaking to Republican Jewish organizations to call it out. But
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: in general, this is a consequence of of just how
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: much flirtation there has been with some of the most
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: heinous and reactionary and fanatical far-right creatures of social media
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and the internet.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Tommy?
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Nick Fuentes is really dangerous. And he
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: has been for a while. And his stature is growing.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: His show is getting more streams. Like, more people are
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: paying attention to him. And it's... This is a big deal.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of like a seminal moment for
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: the right. Because, like, the backstory in the Tucker interview
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: is Tucker... had Candace Owens on his show and he
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: picked a fight with Nick Fuentes. I think he called
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: him like a weird little gay kid in his parents'
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: basement or something. And then he suggested that Fuentes was
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: like a paid government plant. And that was a bad
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: idea because like Nick Fuentes has nothing better to do
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: than to go back at him. And Fuentes went hard
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: and he talked about Tucker's dad being in the CIA
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: and talked about hypocrisy and inconsistency. And I think was
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: largely seen as like getting the better of that exchange.
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: And Tucker saw Nick Fuentes as a threat to his
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: stature as kind of a kingmaker in the Republican Party
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: and decided to stop fighting him and just have him on.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: And Tucker wasn't the only one. Like I think Glenn Greenwald.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Had him on.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: This guy, Patrick David Bett, had him on his podcast
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: as well. But like you said, it wasn't just having
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: him on the show. It was like just how soft
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: the interview was. And there's been a lot of focus
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: on Nick Fuentes' anti-Semitism and rightly so. This guy says
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Hitler is cool, stuff like that. I mean, it's not subtle.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: He questions the scale of death in the Holocaust. He
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: did it via an analogy about how many cookies.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: You could bake.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: I heard that.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: It was fucking disgusting. It's disgusting.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: But he's also a vile racist. He says the N-word
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: all the time on the show. He criticizes people for
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: race mixing, including J.D.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Vance.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: And he's also a misogynist in the most literal sense
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: of the world. He wants to repeal the 19th Amendment.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: So like this dude is a, a very scary figure,
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: someone who, um, I think is trying to step into
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: the void left after Charlie Kirk's assassination and continue to
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: pull young Republican men to the right. And I think
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: like is, is having considerable success.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And he's, and he knows that he needs to mainstream
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: himself and he's smart enough to figure out kind of
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: how to do that when he's like the, I'm only,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I started listening to the Tucker interview and,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: you know, he frames his whole political view, political beliefs
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: as like, well, you know, it's really about the government
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: of Israel. You know, he starts there and he doesn't,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: it's not quite like the clips you see from his
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: show that go around once in a while.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the clips from his show are just him speaking
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: alone in a room, like to a camera, just ranting
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: for 45 minutes about stuff. And look, the thing to
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: know about him is he can be quite funny. He
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: can come off as reasonable because like when the Epstein stuff, happened.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: He was like, Trump's covering this up. MAGA's over. This
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: is ridiculous. Like he'll like state the obvious at times.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: But I think that then gives him credibility to launder
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: in these views that like organized Jewry, I think is
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: the word, the terminology he used are controlling all the
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: world's events and have started all the wars. And it's
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: just like your very classic textbook, uh, antisemitism.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: I just think it's very notable that you have, you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: glad that Ben Shapiro said something today. I think Ted
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Cruz has been out there attacking Fuentes and Carlson. Nothing
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: from the White House, nothing from, I mean, you don't
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: expect Trump to be in the weeds on this kind
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: of stuff, but certainly J.D. Vance has been following this
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: back and forth and has yet to say anything. And
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: by the way, J.D.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Vance, who defended people for having, for just being kids
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: joking around, for doing sort of a bunch of Holocaust jokes,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's like, you know, Tucker Carlson has
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: been doing this kind of just asking questions stuff, right?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Like he had Candace Owens on, Candace Owens has... made
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: all kinds of anti-Semitic comments. Tucker had a Just Asking
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Questions interview with someone saying, well, maybe Churchill was responsible
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: for World War II when you think about it. And
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: so Tucker has been flirting with kind of the kind
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: of vile recesses of like anti-Semitic ideology. And part of it, too,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: like more broadly is, you know, there's this like you know,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: all the establishment is bad in every way possible. And
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: so that means the vaccines are bad. Like the stories
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: we're told, they're all lies. All the stories are lies, right?
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: The story about the, of COVID is a lie. And
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the story about vaccines generally are a lie. The story
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: about climate is a lie. And you start going further
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: and further. And eventually it's like, is the story of
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: World War II a lie? Is the story of the
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Holocaust a lie? What else are they lying to us about?
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: What other, what other, what are there, what other are
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: like kind of cultural shibboleths can we can we interrogate?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: And I think it leads to this really fucking dark place. Yeah, again,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Fuentes is attacking J.D. Vance's wife. He's going after his kids.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: He called him a fake Marine. He's just going after
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: him in the most vicious way as possible.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: You're right. We haven't heard anything from J.D.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Vance.
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: And the Heritage Foundation, not only did they defend and
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: stand by Tucker, but he said it was only a
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: globalist class that was being critical.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: And basically... said explicitly, I forget the exact language. I
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: deleted whatever I had written it down.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: That was like, uh, the, the faction of, uh, people
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: within the GOP, they were like vile or something like that.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Like the ones criticizing Tucker for having Fuentes on. So
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: he like made it about like, it's this, this like
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: a maximalist view that, uh, thou shalt not attack another Republican,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: no matter what, under any circumstances. And like, love it
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: says like, there's never a time, man. It's, when you're
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: interviewing a neo-Nazi, like, it's maybe time to rethink who
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: your friends are.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no shit.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one other point about this, too, is, like, the
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: amount of just pure, like, Nazism and anti-Semitism on Twitter
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: is just, has, like, been growing. Like, it has just unleashed. I, like,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: it used to be something you would see. Now, like,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: I see it in my comments all the time. Like,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: I just, there is so much vile, unrestrained anti-Semitism on
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: social media. By the way, you're seeing it with people being, like,
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: unabashed and even like it's stupid but like even in
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: their halloween costumes being proud about like dressing as nazis
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: and doing blackface there's a kind of like joyful uh
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: uh like embrace of of like full like you know
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: mask off bigotry uh and it's just very very dangerous
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: and you need people like jd vance to call it
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: out as much as i wish it weren't true it
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: matters whether or not he.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Does All right. By the time you're listening to this,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: it'll be election day. We got Prop 50 here in California,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: governor's races in New Jersey and Virginia, the mayor's race
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: in New York City, Public Service Commission in Georgia, and
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the state Supreme Court in Pennsylvania. These last few days
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: are usually when the final big endorsements happen and the
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: most high-profile surrogates hit the trail. But interestingly, Trump did
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: not appear in person anywhere. He's doing tele-rallies instead. Still
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: don't really know what those are. I don't either. In
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Virginia and New Jersey. And also... To Zoran Mamdani's delight,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: Trump endorsed Andrew Cuomo in the 60 Minutes interview. One
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: top Democratic surrogate was out there over the weekend. Here's
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Barack Obama rallying with Abigail Spanberger on Saturday.
• 54:31
  Speaker 9: The president, he has been focused on critical issues like
• 54:36
  Speaker 9: paving over the Rose Garden so folks don't get mud
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: on their shoes. And gold plating the Oval Office and
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: building a $ 300 million ballroom. So, Virginia, here's the good news.
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: If you can't visit a doctor, don't worry. He will
• 54:54
  Speaker 9: save you a dance. The over-the-top rhetoric, the fabricated conspiracies,
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: the weird videos of a U.S. President with a crown
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: on his head flying a fighter jet and dumping poop
• 55:13
  Speaker 9: on protesting citizens All of that is designed to distract
• 55:20
  Speaker 9: you from the fact that your situation has not gotten better.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Don't poo, vote. There's it. There's our title. There it is.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: There's our episode title. You know, what I love about
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: that is You think, oh, Barack Obama, he's sort of
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: out of the game. He's not paying attention. He's following
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: it all. He's online. He's online. He saw the poop
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: video thing. He was also like, after he talked about
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the they'll save you a dance, he's like, you can
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: watch all the beautiful people partying in Mar-a-Lago on Truth Social.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I was like, now that is very specific as well.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: He also had a good line. He was like, you
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: got a flat tire?
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: D-E-I.
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: D-E-I.
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Very Obama riff.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: Very Obama riff. So final thoughts on these races, uh,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: how they're all closing. We got, uh, Trump nowhere to
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: be found. Barack Obama's out there. He was with, uh,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Mikey Sherrill as well in Jersey. The folks behind prop
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: 50 are feeling good. I don't know. What do you
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: guys think? Any final thoughts? Love it.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I saw, uh, uh, kind of a, uh, a shirtless
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: yelling man holding a giant cross saying the end is nigh. Uh,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: but it was just Bill Ackman. Uh, so I don't
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: think there's anything to worry about. You know, I, uh, Uh,
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: like the, the, there's been all this sort of like,
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like pre-coverage about like mom Donnie and
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: the future of the democratic party. But then you have like, uh,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: like Mikey Sherrill, who's a veteran. You got, uh, Spamburger
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: who's like in the CIA. And it's like, I, like,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I hope they all win because it'll do a great
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: job to, I prefer that all win, uh, to scramble
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: any kind of easy conclusions that people would love to draw,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: draw to, uh, address their priors.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: That's all.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, Jonathan Martin had a great
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: piece over the weekend about how weird it is how
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: Trump has either given up or made things worse. You know,
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: like maybe Trump doesn't care about the Virginia governor's race.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: Maybe he doesn't care about New Jersey. Maybe he knows
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: that his mere presence would make things worse for his candidates.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: So he's doing whatever a town hall is. But Prop 51.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: directly impacts Trump and his agenda. If California can send
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: five more Democrats to Congress, it makes it a lot
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: easier for us to take the House and then subpoena
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: the shit out of him and figure out all the,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: you know, corrupt deals that he's doing. And, again, even
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: if Trump didn't want to campaign in California, he could
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: have made five phone calls and raised $ 100 million for ads.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: But Republicans are basically off the air fighting against Prop
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: 50 at this point because they just got outgunned. And, like,
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: it looks like a big loss to Gavin Newsom. Like,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: His primary antagonist in the Democratic Party is likely going
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: to look like he kicked his ass and like maybe
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: just doesn't care, doesn't matter.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: But bother me. I think when Trump feels like he's
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: going to lose, he's his his idea is just like
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: maybe don't say anything about it at all. And maybe
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: just kind of like play it cool, because if he
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: went all in and then still lost, which I think
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: that probably would have happened. Like, I don't think I
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: don't think Donald Trump helps a ballot measure out here.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Just call Peter Thiel and be like, give me $ 20 million. Yeah.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: But Newsom was like, oh, we don't need to raise
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: any more money. At the very least, you could have
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: had to force Democrats to spend more money in California.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: You've got some money dropped in here.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I'm interested in the margin in Jersey to see how
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: it is compared to both 2024, when obviously Trump made
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: up a lot of ground in New Jersey, and also
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: the last governor's race when Phil Murphy was the incumbent
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: and Jack Cittarelli had run again. And then same thing
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: with Virginia, both basically like how does it compare to
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Kamala's margin in Virginia? Although I would say that Spanberger
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: has pretty much a worse opponent than Sherrill does for sure,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: a least popular opponent. So anyway, it'll be interesting. And then,
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: of course, Mamdani. Not going to win for all of them.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: I know, I know. We'll see how many Curtis Sliwa
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: voters there are and whether Cuomo can make up any
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: of that large gap. I think Mamdani's ahead by like
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: anywhere from 10 to 15 points in the polls right now.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 59:24
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• 59:26
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  Speaker 2: Joining me in studio today is George Redis. He's a Ventura,
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  Speaker 2: California native and a U.S. Army veteran who was taken
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: by ICE and detained for three days without charges. He's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: now suing the federal government for the illegal detention. George,
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  Speaker 2: thanks for coming on.
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  Speaker 8: Thank you for having me. It really means a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I am so sorry this happened to you,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: and I have been so angry on your behalf, and
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: I'm also... just so grateful for all the ways you've
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: served this country, including speaking out right now. So thank you.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about your story a lot. I've been
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: talking about your story a lot. But for people who
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: aren't familiar, maybe you can start by talking a little
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: bit about your life before your detention last summer.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. I was born and raised in Ventura, California. I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: was basically a single mother. My dad was in and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: out of prison. So I'm a single mother, have two
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 8: older siblings. I now have three younger. And so big family.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: And so just at 18, I mean, I just graduated
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 8: high school. I went straight into college. I went for photography,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 8: just trying to figure out life at that time. I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: didn't know what I was doing. I was I was just,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: I don't know, I guess making wrong decisions, just hanging
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: with the wrong crowd. Not really hanging with the wrong crowd.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: I wouldn't say that. I was just making bad decisions myself.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: And just, I don't know, I felt like I was
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 8: trapped just in a circle of just, like, not doing anything.
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  Speaker 8: And I just felt like I wasn't doing anything with
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: my life. I just felt like there was no purpose.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: I felt like I had no purpose. And so I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: just wanted to do something bigger. I just, like, felt
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: like this wasn't meant for me.
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  Speaker 7: Like, just.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 8: doing nothing is not what I'm here to do. And
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: so I felt like there was just something more for
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 8: me to do.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: An easier option to do something bigger and contribute to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: like the bigger world is easy path is the military.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: Like no matter how small the difference, like the military
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: was like perfect way to start. And so when I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: was 18, I joined the army, um, ended up going
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: infantry and all the recruiters, they were infantry. So they
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: convinced me to go infantry. And so I ended up
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 8: going to basic training, Fort Benning, Georgia. I went there
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: for basic training. From there, I went to Fort Wainwright, Alaska.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 8: And from Alaska, I ended up deploying to Iraq for
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 8: 10 months, from 2019 to 2020. And after that, I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: went back to Alaska for a little while, and then
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: I ended up coming down on orders to go to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: Fort Hood, Texas. And so I ended up finishing the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: rest of my contract down there. I got out honorably.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: I was really on the fence on, like, reenlisting or not,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 8: if I'm being honest with you. It was just, like,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: at the time, the military was all I knew. I mean,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 8: I was only 22 getting out, and, like, after going
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 8: through all that, I don't know, I felt like I
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: was doing a lot more stuff than, like, kids my
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: age or, like, people my age. And so, I don't know,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 8: the military was all I knew at that time. And
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: just for me, the biggest reason I got out was
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 8: for my kids, like, not having to be in the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: field every other week for two weeks at a time
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: or not having to deploy at like any second. So
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: I got out and that was kind of a hard
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: decision for me. Um, just cause I didn't know what
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: I wanted to do. And so I got out and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: I stayed home for a little bit, just enjoyed time
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: with my family. And I got, got tired of that. Um,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: not of the kids, but just of being at home
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 8: all the time. Um, And so I ended up going
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: to school just trying to figure out what was the
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: right path. So I went and got my license to
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: drive semi-trucks. And then after that, it was just, I
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: started a job, didn't like it. I was like, this
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 8: isn't me. I ended up going to dental assistant school
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: and just was like, yeah, this isn't me either. But
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: I got my license for that. And I was like, okay, cool.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: And just something else. And eventually I was just, I
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: got my guard card in Texas and then I got
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: my guard card in California. It was just easy for me.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's all I did in the military. So
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: I figured just might go something natural. And so I
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: got my guard card and the beginning of this year,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 8: I ended up moving back to California and I got
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 8: a job working security for a security company called Securitas.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 8: And so I got a job with them and Glasshouse Farms,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: where the whole incident takes place, ended up contracting out
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: that security company. And so That's where my security company
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 8: put me. And so for seven months, since the beginning
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 8: of this year, I was working at glasshouse farms. And
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: so that's how I ended up being there when the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: entire situation took place.
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  Speaker 2: So if you wouldn't mind just explaining like what happened
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: when you got close to work that day in July
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: and saw all the ice agents, you said your car
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: had a disabled veteran plate and sticker showing your service.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: You told agents you were a U.S. citizen, an Iraq veteran.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Did any of that seem to matter in the moment
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: to them? What happened?
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I'll just start from the beginning.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: Just to make it easier. So that day, July 10th,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 8: I was going to work as normal. I was pulling
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: up to the main road that my work is on,
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: and there's just cars piled up, like bumper to bumper.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: People weren't even in their cars. It was just literally...
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: It was chaos, like, all over the place. And so
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 8: I'm making my way through all this. I mean, even
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: though all that's happening, work never called me saying, don't
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: show up today, like, don't go in. And so I
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: make my way through all this because even though this
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 8: is happening, I still got to go to work. And
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 8: so I make my way through, and eventually I get
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: to the front of where everything is happening. And so
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: there's a line of agents lined up across the road,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 8: all in gas masks, all in their gear masks. and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: just lined up across the road, stopping anyone from going.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: And so there's a car in the right lane, and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: I don't know if there was anyone in there, but
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: I ended up pulling into the left lane right beside
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: the car. I'm a good distance away. I put my
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: car in park. I get out, close my door, and
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: I stand right beside my car. I don't approach them.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: I'm not getting in their face. And so the first
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: thing I say when I get out of my car
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 8: is I tell them I'm a U.S.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Citizen.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: I'm just trying to get to work. I'm not here
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: to protest. Like I'm not part of the protest. I'm
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: not here to get in your guys' face. I'm literally
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: just trying to get to work. And they were just
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 8: completely hostile. Um, there were, are we able to cuss
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: on here?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: Just had to confirm that before. Um, um, they were
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 8: just telling me to get the fuck out of there. Um,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: they were telling me to pull over to the side.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: They were telling me to get in my car. They
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: were telling me that work is closed, that I'm not
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: going to be going to work today. And so, um,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: they were just, they're just all being hostile for no reason.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: And so I ended up asking for a badge number, uh,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: just to, just to let note work. No, like I'm
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: trying to go into work, like, and I wasn't able to.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: And so I asked for a badge number. And so
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: after asking that for some reason, one of the agents
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: got super upset over that. And that's when he tries
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 8: to like step forward to try to approach me. And
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 8: it takes another agent to step forward and like hold
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: him back from approaching. And I see that and just,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 8: I'm not, wasn't there to escalate. Like I'm not trying
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: to escalate things further. And so I turn around and
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: get back into my car and simultaneously as I'm getting
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: back into my car, the line of agents starts walking
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: towards me and they surround my car. And so I'm
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: sitting in my car. I have agents on my driver's side,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 8: on my passenger's side, pulling on my door handle, banging
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 8: on my window, telling me to get out. I have
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 8: agents in front of my car and telling me to reverse.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: I have an agent behind my car, like behind, like
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: in my rear view mirror, telling me to reverse, like
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 8: trying to show me to reverse. And so just all
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: of them yelling at me to do different things. And
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 8: so I'm sitting there just trying to figure out the situation.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: And eventually they end up reversing me into like an
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: angle sort of, and they reverse me back into the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 8: right lane. And once they put my car into the
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 8: right lane, they end up throwing tear gas into the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 8: protesters and they throw tear gas behind my car. And
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: it just engulfs my car in tear gas. And so
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 8: tear gas gets in my car. And I'm just trapped
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 8: in the right lane and my car just trapped with
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: tear gas, trying to hold out as long as I can.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: And at that point, they left my car alone. And
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: the entire time I'm trapped in my car with tear gas,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: their vehicles are passing by on the left-hand side. Their trucks,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 8: their buses are passing by on the left-hand side. And
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 8: so I'm just trapped in my car with the tear gas,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: eyes watery, trying to catch my breath. I couldn't see.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: And once all their vehicles finished passing by, I don't
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: know what reason they had or why they did it,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: but for some reason they re-approached my car. Um, and
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 8: so they re-approached my car and they surrounded again, uh,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: agents on my driver's side, agents on my passenger side,
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: pulling on my door handle, banging on the windows, telling
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: me to get out. Um, the agents in front of
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 8: my car are telling me to reverse, telling me to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: pull over to the side and I'm just in there coughing.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 8: I'm like pleading with them. Like I'm trying to leave.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 8: Like I can't see there's a cloud of smoke behind me.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: Like you could obviously put the entire situation together. Um,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 8: like there's smoke behind me. There's protesters behind me. I like,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: I can't see I'm literally, I'm trying to catch my breath.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: My eyes are watery and I'm just pleading with them. Like,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: I can't see I'm trying to leave. And just eventually
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: my driver's side ended up giving in and it shattered
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: a glass flew into my leg immediately following it, shattering,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: no questions, no nothing. Another agent sticks his arm through.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: and pepper sprays me in the face, they end up
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: dragging me out of the car, they throw me down,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: and I'm basically like a ragdoll, letting them do whatever,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: not fighting, just letting them do whatever, and so even
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 8: though I'm letting them do whatever, when they throw me
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 8: on the ground, an agent comes, and he nails on
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: my back, and then another one comes, and he nails
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 8: on my neck, and The entire time they're like that,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: I'm telling them, like, I can't breathe. Like, I'm telling, like,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 8: I'm just pleading with them, I can't breathe. You guys, like,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: you could put the entire situation together. I was just
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 8: trapped in my car with tear gas, trying to catch
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: my breath. You guys just pepper sprayed me in the face,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: and now you guys are kneeling on my neck and back. Like,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 8: I'm telling you guys, I can't breathe. And, I mean,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: they didn't care. I couldn't tell you how long I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 8: was like that for. Just eventually, they zip-tied my hands,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: and they picked me up, and They ended up walking
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 8: me back to the farm where I worked and the
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: entire time they're walking me back they're just asking each
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 8: other like who's taking responsibility for him like who's he
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: going with like who's taking responsibility for what happened and
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: they're just all asking each other this as they're walking
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: me back and so They ended up walking me back
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: to the farm.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: Are you talking to them at this point? Are you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: asking them, hey, I'm a citizen. What are we doing?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: At that point, I'm telling them, I'm a citizen. I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 8: don't know what's wrong. I'm a citizen. I was just
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 8: telling them that the entire way back.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: They didn't care.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: They didn't care. Took me back to the farm, and
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: they sat me down right there in the dirt with
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: my hands zip-tied behind my back for about four hours
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: or so. Throughout that time, they only asked me for
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: my ID once, and I tell them it's in my car. Like, Like,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: I'd be more than happy to show you, like, I
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 8: have my ID. Like, I could prove I'm a citizen. Like,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: on my car, it says, like, I have DV plates
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: for disabled veteran. Like, I have an Iraq combat veteran
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: sticker on my windshield. Like, I told them I was
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: a veteran, and that was it. That's the only time
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: they asked me for my ID, and that was it.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 8: After the time there, they ended up putting me back.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: They put me in an unmarked car, and they drove
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 8: me into, like, a convoy kind of, like, basically a convoy, um,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 8: to a Navy base in Port Hueneme. And they took
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 8: us onto the base and took us to this giant
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 8: open field, uh, on the base and every federal agency
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 8: you could think of as their FBI, Homeland Security, ICBP,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: people from the Navy, National Guard. And, uh, they take
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 8: me there and there they do my fingerprints. They swab,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 8: they swab my mouth for DNA. They take my picture. Um,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: they end up reading me my rights there, but saying
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: that they were only investigating what had happened. They never
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 8: said that I was charged with anything. They never said
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: I was being arrested. They just said that they were
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: investigating what had happened and why I was there.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: And that was it.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: And so I literally told them the entire situation exactly
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: how I'm telling you.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: And that was it.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 8: They asked me the questions and then they put me
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: back in the car. And from there, they took me
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: to the Metropolitan Detention Center in downtown LA. And we
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: got there around 1030 at night. And I would assume
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 8: they in process me like a normal prisoner. They strip
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: searched me. Um, and at that time I asked them like,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: can I, like, when would I be able to call
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: a lawyer? Like, could I call my family? And they
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: just ignored me completely. And so while I'm, they're strip
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: searching me, I would tell them like, my skin is burning.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: Like they was sprayed me with tear gas and, or
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: they spread, like I was trapped in my car with
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: tear gas and they sprayed me with pepper spray. Like
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: my skin is burning. And I taught them that. And
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 8: they tell me like, like I'll get over it. The
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 8: effects will wear off. Um, that, uh, it'll pass. And
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 8: so that was it. Um, they ended up doing my
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: fingerprints and they took my mugshot. And after that, they
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: took me upstairs and they put me in the cell
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 8: with one other person, um, the professor who was also
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: arrested that day. And, um, so that entire first Thursday night, um,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: I'm in the cell and my body's just burning my hands,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: my face, my skin, just my entire body is on fire. Um,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: No other way to put it, just an extreme heat
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 8: that just would not go away.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't let you wash your hands, shower, wash your face.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 8: So they ended up giving us dinner and sandwiches in
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 8: a sandwich bag. And so I took the sandwiches out
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 8: and I filled up the sandwich bag with water from
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: the sink. And so that entire night, I was alternating
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 8: my hands in this bag of water, just trying to
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: relieve the heat and I don't know if it helped
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: or if it made it worse, but it just would
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 8: not go away. And so that entire first Thursday night,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: I'm just burning that just like that the entire first
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 8: Thursday night, I don't sleep. And so Friday ends up
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: coming around and they finished doing my in processing. They
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 8: let me talk to a medical and it's just basically
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: about our past life and how we are now. And
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: after that, they let me talk to a psychiatric nurse
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 8: and After the question she asked and the way I
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: answered them, she felt like it was best to put
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: me on suicide watch. And so that Friday morning, they
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: ended up putting me on suicide watch. And suicide watch
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 8: is just this yellow concrete room, concrete block in the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: corner with a thin mattress on top. There's a tiny
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 8: little rectangle window. It's a glass door and an officer
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 8: sits up there 24-7. A psychiatric nurse comes and checks
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 8: on me once a day to make sure I don't
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 8: kill myself. They leave the light on 24-7. I'm in
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 8: there naked in a hospital dress. And I'm like that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 8: from Friday morning to Sunday afternoon to literally the point
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: I'm released. And so Sunday morning, close to afternoon-ish, comes
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 8: around and an officer comes up to the cell. He
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: walks up and he just says, I'm off suicide watch
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 8: and that I'm going to get released and walks away.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 8: And so even though he says I'm off suicide watch,
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 8: I'm there still in those conditions. And I mean, I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 8: don't want to get my hopes up. I mean, I'm
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: still there. And so I'm there for a couple more
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: hours and eventually another officer comes up and they open
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: the door. They walk me downstairs. They give me back
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: my clothes and I signed for my phone, my watch
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: and my piercings and stuff. And That was it. They
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 8: said that I was free to go, that all the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: charges on me had been dropped and that I was
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: free to go. And so that wasn't good enough for me.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: And I asked them. So I was locked up in
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: here and I missed my daughter's birthday for no fucking reason.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: And it was just the loudest silence ever. Literally the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 8: loudest silence ever. No explanation, no nothing. They let me
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 8: call for a ride. They walked me out and that
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 8: was it. I was free to go. Never heard anything
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 8: back from them. Never nothing until I wrote an op-ed
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: in the San Francisco Chronicle. And then they came out
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 8: with a tweet or whatever saying that I assaulted agents
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 8: and that stories like mine. demonize ICE agents. And it
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 8: was just crazy to hear because after all that, after
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 8: just being released, no charges, after even on the paperwork
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 8: it says that I was only detained pursuant to arrest. Basically,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: I was arrested for being arrested.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: That's the only.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: uh, information it says on the paperwork is that I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 8: was arrested for being arrested basically. Um, and so without
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 8: being the only explanation and them tweeting this, um, it
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: was really crazy to hear. It was insane that this
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 8: is really the stance that they're willing to go behind
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: and die on that. I'm just like this crazy person.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 8: And like, they just try to paint me as this,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 8: this villain. And like, I'm this bad guy. Um, when
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 8: that's not the truth at all. Um, I mean, there's
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 8: so much evidence out there, there's helicopter footage. And so
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 8: it's just like, why?
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I've seen the footage on
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: the local news and it was, there's a lot of
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: footage of you, like the whole story you tell about
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: when you get out of the car and then when
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: you back up, like that's all on film.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: Yes, exactly.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: What was going through your mind in those three days
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: that you were in jail? Like what, did you think
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: that did you think that you were getting out? Did
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: you think they were going to send you somewhere else?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Were you like, how am I going to get on
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: the phone with a lawyer or my family?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 8: Um, honestly, the only thing on my mind were my kids. Like,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 8: like when, like, I mean, the last thing I told
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: them was like, I'll see you later. And like, no later,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 8: never came.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: And so how old are your kids?
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 8: Uh, my daughter had just turned three that Saturday and
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 8: my son is eight.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: So, You finally get out of this nightmare. You go
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: back home. And then you decide to file a lawsuit
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: against the federal government for seemingly violating multiple constitutional rights
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: that you have as an American. What are you hoping
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: for out of the lawsuit? What do you want them
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: to do?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: So what I want out of the lawsuit is... obviously accountability.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: I mean, you don't just go to go around and
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: take away people's rights and like get to treat people
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 8: that any way you want. Um, I mean, like, it's
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: just crazy, like to have no accountability and just to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: take no responsibility and no explanation for me for what happened.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: Um, it's just crazy.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 8: And so for myself, I want that accountability of just like,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 8: take ownership of what you did to me, take ownership
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 8: of what you did and, Don't lie. Just tell everyone
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 8: the truth. And I guess the bigger picture for a
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: bigger change is for them to amend 1983 to add
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: five words in it, which would include federal officers, which
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 8: would allow people to sue federal officers, basically, because right
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 8: now it's basically they're untouchable. I mean, if a state
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 8: officer had done what they did to me, I would
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 8: be able to go to court right now and file
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 8: a lawsuit for everything that happened. But it's the fact
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 8: that because they're federal officers, I show up to the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: courthouse and they tell me basically, like, unfortunately for you, like, yeah,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 8: your civil rights were violated, but unfortunately for you, they're
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: federal officers and there's no clear path for you to
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 8: file a lawsuit. So they shut the door in my
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 8: face and not only my face, but for everyone that's
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: filing a lawsuit currently, they're going to be met with
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: the same endeavor that I am, just a door shut
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 8: in your face. And so my bigger goal is to
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 8: amend that statue, make it where to every single person
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 8: could get accountability and justice for what happens to them
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 8: for a federal officer, any federal officer, FBI, ATF, ICE, IRS,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 8: it doesn't matter. Any officer that violates their rights, it
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: gives them accountability and justice. And so that's the bigger goal.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 8: And that's my bigger message for everyone.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: I am. I became aware of the way that the
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: law is reading. The New York Times did a story,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: I think, the other week where they wrote about Trump
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: suing his own Justice Department now for the charges and
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: the investigations against him before he became president for the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: second time. And he will now settle his own lawsuit
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: against his own government and for something like over $ 200 million,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: won't even go to court. He'll just, obviously the federal
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: government will settle with Donald Trump. And then they contrasted,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen this, they contrasted that with you. Yes,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: I saw that. And people like you who've been detained.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: And I had not realized that if you are deprived
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: of your constitutional rights as an American citizen by federal officers,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: it becomes very, very challenging to win that lawsuit. Like
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: you can still, I guess you can still file it,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: but- that these federal agents have almost total immunity here. Yes, basically.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: And so it's just crazy. Like you would think that
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 8: if anyone violates your rights, no matter who, you would
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 8: be able to get justice for what happened to you.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 8: And it's just crazy to think and just to realize
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 8: like that's not the way it works. And you would
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: think like a clear path would just be to, okay,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 8: let's amend the statute and let's fix this problem, this
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 8: crack in the law.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: For everyone.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 8: Like it just doesn't affect the left or right. It
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 8: affects everyone. Um, like they could violate anyone's rights. And
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 8: so that's scary. Um, it's scary that there's no justice
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: for anyone. And so it's a very concerning hole in
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: the law.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: And so what, uh, I know you went to Washington
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: last week or the other week.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Tell me about your trip to Washington.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 8: Um, so my trip to Washington, uh, It was fun.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: It was my first time in Washington. Uh, the weather
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: was nice. Everyone told me it's not normally like that.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: Um, it's true.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 8: So, I mean, Washington was fun. Um, I spoke to lawmakers, um,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 8: when we spoke to senators and basically told them my
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 8: story in person, um, gave them the solution, basically, like
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 8: I'm telling you, um, in 1983 and just basically what
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 8: I told you. And so I clearly gave them the explanation.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 8: to everyone I spoke with. And the biggest, like, confront
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 8: I got out of it was, there's nothing wrong with it.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: It's just politics.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: The bigger....
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 8: There's nothing wrong with the law? There's nothing law with
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 8: amending that law. But unfortunately... Oh, because of politics, they can't.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 8: Politics won't, is the trouble with amending it.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: You got Congressman Raskin and Johnson, too. They're going to
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: try to push for it. But yeah, clearly, Republican Congress
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: is not going to pass it. A Democratic Congress and
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: a Democratic president may, hopefully, but we are not there yet.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 8: I mean, that's also a big reason why people, it's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 8: a big reason for people to speak out and to
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 8: call their people in charge for everyone to make their
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: voice heard. I mean, it's all our responsibility.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw Kristi Noem, the Secretary
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: of the Department of Homeland Security. She was asked at
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: a press conference yesterday about American citizens like you being
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: arrested and detained for no reason. It's happening more and more.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: And she said, quote, no American citizens have been arrested
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: or detained. We focus on those who are here illegally.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: And anything you would hear or report that would be different.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: That is simply not true and false reporting. Any response
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: to that?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 8: Um, I mean, I don't really, I don't feel like
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: I need to respond when I'm, I mean, I'm, I mean,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 8: it's all over the news. It's all over social media.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: Like I'm not blind. Like I obviously see what's going
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 8: on in the world. People see what's going on in
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 8: the world. Like just because they say something doesn't make
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 8: it true or doesn't mean people believe them. And so,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 8: I mean, they could say whatever they want. I mean,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 8: the facts are out there. People are able to, people
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 8: are able to film and like take pictures and record. So,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 8: I mean, everyone gets to see the truth. I mean,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 8: so just because you send out a tweet or just
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 8: because you make a comment doesn't make it true. And so,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't really need to say anything.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 8: Hopefully my case goes to court or whatever. And I mean,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 8: the truth gets to be presented in everyone to like
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 8: in front of everyone and in front of the world.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: How did you make the choice to speak up at
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: a time when a lot of very rich and powerful
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: people who know this is wrong have decided to stay quiet? Like,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: were you at all scared to do this?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 8: Um, uh, no, I was not scared one bit. Like,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't scare it easily. But like, I mean,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 8: you don't just, I'm not the type of person to
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 8: just let something happen to them and like walk away.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 8: I'm definitely not that type of person to see something
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 8: wrong and turn the other cheek. And so, so I mean,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 8: you don't just get to do this to not only me,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 8: but everyone else. And just not take accountability. And so
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 8: for me, once this happened to me, like, I mean,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 8: I never had a voice before. Like I never had
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: a platform or been on the news to like make
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 8: my voice heard or anything. So, I mean, now that
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 8: being given the opportunity, um, I mean, I always talked
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 8: about wanting to make a change in the world. I mean,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 8: I did before the army. And so like, I asked
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 8: for all this food on my plate and when it's
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 8: finally on my plate, like I can't turn it away now. Um,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 8: like what am I going to do? Like, just let
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: this keep happening. Um, No, I mean, I understand people.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 8: Some people have their reasons for not wanting to. I mean,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 8: maybe family. um, maybe other reasons. They're just scared of retaliation,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 8: but I mean, that's not me whatsoever. I'll take this
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 8: head on. I'll take the weight of the world against
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 8: me and I'll see this through.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not problem.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, the truth is out there and I'll keep
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: saying it and I'll keep letting it be known.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: What do you think about what's happening in the country
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 8: Um, I think it's crazy and I think it is
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 8: absolutely wrong. Um, you don't just get a mask up
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: and cover your face and just go around, um, questioning people,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: asking them if they're here at E-League or not. You
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 8: don't just get a nail on people's back. You don't
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 8: just get to break cars. You don't get to violate
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 8: people's rights in general and just do all this, all
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 8: these things. Um, it's completely wrong and it's crazy. Uh,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 8: and so that's another reason why I'm doing this. Hopefully
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 8: doing this and allowing people to take accountability for agents
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 8: violating civil rights, uh, makes them think twice before they
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 8: even think about doing something. And so I'm hoping that
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 8: it fixes them doing this fixes the overall picture and
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 8: fixes the problem with the way agents act.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: And cause it's just crazy. Um, There's no way, there's
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 8: no way this is like the right type of, there's
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 8: no way. Like it's complete and utter insanity with the
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 8: way they act and the way they treat people. It's
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 8: just completely wrong. Like it's crazy.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: How are your kids handling this?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 8: I keep them away from this as much as possible.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 8: I mean, there's no reason for them to hear it.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, when they get older, I mean, if they
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: want to look into it, I mean, that's on them.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 8: But I mean, I just keep them away from it.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're back home with them. Thank you.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: They're going to be really proud of their dad someday.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: I really do appreciate it.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: Cause what you're doing is, um, I think it's brave.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's hard. And like I said, it is
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: a fuck of a lot more than a lot of
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: people who have a lot more protections and a lot
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: more power doing right now. So, um, like, you know,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: you've served the country bravely, um, even before this incident
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: and you're continuing to do so now. And, um, I'm
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: really grateful for that. And I'm grateful that you stopped
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: by and told your story. So thanks.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 8: Thank you for having me. I really do appreciate it.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 8: I mean, I can't share my story without people like you.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 8: And so, I mean, it's just as meaningful as me
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 8: telling my story. And so together we are making change.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: We will keep sharing it and we'll keep pushing until
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: we get that law passed.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: Thank you so much. Thank you.
• 1:31:22
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• 1:31:24
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  Speaker 2: Matt DeGroat is our head of production. Naomi Sengel is
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  Speaker 2: our executive assistant. Thanks to our digital team, Elijah Cohn,
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  Speaker 2: Haley Jones, Ben Hefcote, Mia Kelman, Carol Pellevive, David Tolles,
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  Speaker 2: and Ryan Young. Our production staff is proudly unionized with
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  Speaker 2: the Writers Guild of America East.