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Are the 2025 Tigs Better than 2012? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And looking to another episode of Tiger Territory. Part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory nowork a Troy Tiger's podcast. I'm frantically
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  Speaker 1: and with me are a couple of guys that always
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  Speaker 1: go the extra mile, or should I say, take the
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  Speaker 1: extra base? Cody Stavin, what's up fellas?
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  Speaker 2: Hey? Hey, introduce Austin Jackson again for me? Real quick,
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  Speaker 2: we've been under just introduced Austin Jackson for me.
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  Speaker 1: Austin Jackson a man who always takes the extra base
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  Speaker 1: in life and on the diamond.
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  Speaker 3: What's up Austin doing?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, spend a few minutes working on that.
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  Speaker 4: Never gets old. Thanks Cody. That's that's never I love
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  Speaker 4: that all day every day.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we got a we got kind of a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a nerdy beginning of this podcast. Cody just published
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  Speaker 1: a story on The Athletic about the Tigers being historic
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  Speaker 1: at taking the extra base, be gonna take the extra base,
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  Speaker 1: taking the extra base this year we talked about a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. Hopefully you guys have had a chance to
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  Speaker 1: read it. Uh So, what we're gonna do is we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have Cody just kind of pull his favorite nuggets
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  Speaker 1: from this story and then and then we're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: Austin kind of do the like the on the field
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  Speaker 1: practicality element of what it means to be a good
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  Speaker 1: base runner, good base running team, you know all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll start out with you, Cody. You obviously did
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  Speaker 1: a lot of research into into this story and and
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  Speaker 1: got some some good bits of information.
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  Speaker 3: What what's kind of the topical things that you'd like
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  Speaker 3: to share with our with our listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we've talked about this a lot,
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  Speaker 2: so I'll try to kind of keep it quick and
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  Speaker 2: if you guys want a little more depth, you can
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  Speaker 2: go check out the story. But again, for anyone who's
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  Speaker 2: not aware, the Tigers lead all of baseball on extra
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  Speaker 2: bases taken, so that's going one or more base on
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  Speaker 2: a single, two or more bases on a double.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Not only do they lead the majors, they lead the
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  Speaker 2: majors by a long shot fifty four second is Brewers
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  Speaker 2: and the Dodgers have kind of alternated at second place
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  Speaker 2: at forty seven percent, so seven percentage points. Not only
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  Speaker 2: are they out doing the rest of the baseball, they're
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  Speaker 2: out doing the rest of baseball. Since nineteen seventy five,
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  Speaker 2: No one has taken extra bases at a rate this
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  Speaker 2: high since the nineteen seventy five Oakland Ace. So again,
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  Speaker 2: totally historic, really aggressive. That's a product of Joey Kora.
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  Speaker 2: And also there also might be an analytical factor to
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  Speaker 2: it if you go check out the run expectancy matrix
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  Speaker 2: switch just in that story. Basically there's just a lot
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  Speaker 2: more value if you have runners on first and third
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to runners on first and second. I thought
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  Speaker 2: it was interesting. Spencer Torkolsen the other day had a
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  Speaker 2: great first to third ran on Wan Soto's arm almost
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  Speaker 2: got hosed, but he didn't. He was safe. And after that,
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  Speaker 2: Torque told Jason Beck of MLB dot Com that, like
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  Speaker 2: his little fora playing outfield in spring training, remember that
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  Speaker 2: one of the weirdest storylines of the year kind of
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  Speaker 2: helped him on the bases because he realized is a
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  Speaker 2: major league baseball player realizing like, oh yeah, it's really
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  Speaker 2: hard to throw guys out.
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  Speaker 3: And he's not wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Even in the major leagues, it's not an easy thing
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  Speaker 2: to do to put that thing on the money.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and you said it about how they're
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  Speaker 6: they're leading the league and extra bass taken, but we're
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  Speaker 6: also looked up to status.
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  Speaker 4: They are last and stolen bases, so.
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  Speaker 6: Like when they're last, Like when I see that, I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 6: So that's like, that's a telltale sign of like a
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  Speaker 6: ball in mentality that I think that they started last
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  Speaker 6: year of wanting to be a better and more aggressive
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  Speaker 6: base running team. And that's that's a buy in type
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  Speaker 6: thing because again they're they're dead last and stolen basis.
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  Speaker 4: So there's not a lot of blazers on that team.
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  Speaker 6: Guys that can run you know, well enough though, but
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  Speaker 6: just not really good base stealers. So that that to
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  Speaker 6: me tells me that that's that's everybody's bought into that mentality,
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  Speaker 6: and that starts with aj hanch and Joey core A
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  Speaker 6: given them that permission. Sometimes even as major league baseball players,
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  Speaker 6: you need that permission to fail like we want again,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you talk about how hard it is to
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  Speaker 6: throw a guy out, so us knowing that we want
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  Speaker 6: to put the pressure on the opposing team because if
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  Speaker 6: we're always thinking take the extra base as a defender.
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  Speaker 6: If I know this team is like that, I have
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  Speaker 6: to be I have to be perfect.
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  Speaker 4: I can't muff a ball.
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  Speaker 6: I can't stumble over a ball because that little hesitation
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  Speaker 6: of anything other than fielding it cleanly and getting it
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  Speaker 6: out clean they're taking the extra base.
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  Speaker 4: They're already looking for a single hit to the outfield.
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  Speaker 4: If you muff that ball, if you kick that ball, they're.
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  Speaker 6: Already in that mentality out of and it starts in
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  Speaker 6: the box. And it starts in the box. And I
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  Speaker 6: remember hearing that from a coach a long time ago,
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  Speaker 6: how you hit more doubles, it starts in the box.
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  Speaker 6: So if you are aggressive out of the box, which
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  Speaker 6: a lot of these Tigers players are, they have the
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  Speaker 6: ability to get to second base because in your mind,
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  Speaker 6: you're thinking too anyways, unless they stop me. So I'm
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  Speaker 6: thinking too, unless they stop me. And this that looks
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  Speaker 6: like how this team's motto is, like make them stop me.
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  Speaker 6: You talked about Torque running on on Sodo's arm. He
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  Speaker 6: has a good arm now, he can he can throw.
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  Speaker 6: I've seen him make some really strong, accurate throws, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure in that moment he probably wasn't thinking he
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  Speaker 6: was gonna go. Tork's not He's not a burner, but
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  Speaker 6: he put the pressure on him, Like you said, almost
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  Speaker 6: got got but he didn't though he could have easily
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  Speaker 6: stopped and that and he could be different, but it's
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  Speaker 6: it's the mentality. It's the mentality when you know that
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  Speaker 6: you're not a fast base running team. We can we
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  Speaker 6: can be aggressive though knowing that that's putting pressure on
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  Speaker 6: the opposing team and that if they do mess up
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  Speaker 6: and just just a little bit. Our mindset is take
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  Speaker 6: that extra base and you see it and it's held.
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  Speaker 6: It's took this team from you know, a team that can,
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  Speaker 6: you know, produce some numbers.
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  Speaker 4: They can produce some numbers.
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  Speaker 6: With the bat, but with them being in scoring position
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  Speaker 6: and taking that extra base with the bats that they have,
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  Speaker 6: the consistency that they've been having in the lineup, it
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  Speaker 6: makes his team a really tough team, especially for some playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: It was at the All Star Game when someone asked
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  Speaker 2: Riley Green, like, hey, this time of year ago, you
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  Speaker 2: guys weren't very good. Now you have the best record
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  Speaker 2: in baseball.
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  Speaker 4: What happened?
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  Speaker 2: And he pointed to the Joey Kuura meeting. Now, the
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  Speaker 2: Tigers down the stretch last year they had elite pitching.
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  Speaker 2: Their offense since last August has been greatly improved. But
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder, like, how much does the base running
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  Speaker 2: go hand in hand with better offense. Obviously you got
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  Speaker 2: to have guys won the base paths to run the
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  Speaker 2: base paths. But I wonder if there's some invisible impact too.
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  Speaker 2: You get a guy on third as opposed to second,
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  Speaker 2: maybe that pitcher is less likely to spike a curveball
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  Speaker 2: in the dirt, you know, maybe you take something out
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  Speaker 2: of his arsenal. You know the Tigers, they're sending trail
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  Speaker 2: runners around all the time too. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: much of that shows up in the numbers that we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about. But you send a guy home and that
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  Speaker 2: ball goes home, and they have a guy going the second.
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  Speaker 2: Now you got to runner in scoring position. Maybe that
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  Speaker 2: impacts the approach of the guy at the play. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know you have any insight on just how those
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  Speaker 2: things that maybe we can't pick up in the stats
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  Speaker 2: can impact what happens on the field.
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  Speaker 4: Bro, You couldn't. You said it.
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  Speaker 6: You said it perfectly though, because like those things don't
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  Speaker 6: show up in the stats, right, and I think they
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  Speaker 6: can definitely be overlooked because he just took the extra base.
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  Speaker 4: That's what he's supposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 6: But when you have the team that is buying into that,
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  Speaker 6: everybody is aggressive like that.
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  Speaker 4: And when you see your teammate take that.
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  Speaker 6: Extra base, you're like, okay, now I want to And
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  Speaker 6: you talked about how does that a changer approach in
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  Speaker 6: the box. It definitely does, because when you see your
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  Speaker 6: teammate just bust his but almost get thrown out a
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  Speaker 6: second on the ball that the majority of major leaguers today,
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  Speaker 6: they hit the ball to the outfield, they cool, they boom, boom, boom.
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  Speaker 4: You know they already know this team is not like that.
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  Speaker 6: So when you see your your teammate in front of
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  Speaker 6: you bustes but and get out and get the second
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  Speaker 6: base on the ball that most probably should have been
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  Speaker 6: a single. Yeah, that that makes you lock it in.
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  Speaker 6: That makes you locked lock in to doing a job.
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  Speaker 6: You know there's a job to be done right there.
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  Speaker 6: So that was always the mentality when runners were in
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  Speaker 6: scoring position. It was about doing a job and it
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  Speaker 6: didn't necessarily have to be scorm It could be moving
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  Speaker 6: them over, getting them over for the guy behind me
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  Speaker 6: to do a job. So there's there's a lot that
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  Speaker 6: goes into that. The awareness too, you have to be
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  Speaker 6: aware you can't just I mean, there are times where
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  Speaker 6: you're probably just out there just running wild.
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  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, you have to
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  Speaker 4: be aware. You have to be aware of the outfielders.
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  Speaker 4: There's you have to know their arms.
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  Speaker 6: You know, there's there's so many things that go into
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  Speaker 6: it that stats don't show. These are all things that
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  Speaker 6: happened down in that locker room, down in that that
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  Speaker 6: meeting room. And then everybody buys into it. You know,
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  Speaker 6: everybody's like, hey, this is what we're doing. We're not
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  Speaker 6: just because we get thrown out once. That can't leader
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  Speaker 6: us from from a tempting and stained of grit the bath.
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  Speaker 4: So you hit it right on the head code.
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  Speaker 3: So so two things there.
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  Speaker 1: One I like that Austin said, everybody has to like
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  Speaker 1: be bought in because like all these like numbers that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about that Cody put in his story, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really work if it's just McKinstry and Perez, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, running out there. It's gotta be it's gotta
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  Speaker 1: be Dingler, it's gotta be Torque, it's gotta you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's gotta be Carpenter, even even if his hamstring is
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  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent, like you just gotta keep doing
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  Speaker 1: it so that everybody thing is key there in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: And then the last one and then I'll ask this
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  Speaker 1: to Austin, is like we all know baseball is a
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  Speaker 1: game of failure, but there is still something like I
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  Speaker 1: would think about the embarrassment for lack of a better word,
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  Speaker 1: of being thrown out on the base pass, and that
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  Speaker 1: is something that the team has had to just decide
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  Speaker 1: we're not gonna care about, and so like so, so
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  Speaker 1: I guess I would just ask you, Austin, like how
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  Speaker 1: much how much of a mental hurdle is it for
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  Speaker 1: somebody to get over Like you're going to strike out
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  Speaker 1: a lot, but you probably don't want to get thrown
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  Speaker 1: out all that much, you know what I mean? So
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  Speaker 1: how much of a mental hurdle is that aspect of
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  Speaker 1: what these Tigers are doing where they just like, you know, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we get thrown out, that's fine, We'll go on to
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  Speaker 1: the next one.
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  Speaker 3: Because I feel like that's a hard thing for guys.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it can be, but again I think you
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  Speaker 6: you know, it starts with the leaders in the in
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  Speaker 6: the locker room. And by leaders, i'm talking about aj
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  Speaker 6: Aj Hinch. I mean him allowing the guys the freedom
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  Speaker 6: to fail. You know, I spoke on the story maybe
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  Speaker 6: a couple episodes back about how there might be more
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  Speaker 6: than that, but about Leland telling me, you know, we
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  Speaker 6: don't need Curtis Granted, Curtis Grandison.
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  Speaker 4: We need Austin Jackson.
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  Speaker 6: That gave me that freedom to go out there and
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  Speaker 6: play my game, play the game that I know how
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  Speaker 6: to play, play the game aggressive, be an athlete. And
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  Speaker 6: when you're given the permission to do that, when you're
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  Speaker 6: giving permission to fail, we are going to get thrown out.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna make We're gonna make aggressive mistakes. You know,
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  Speaker 6: that's what you're seeing. You're seeing. If we make a mistake,
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  Speaker 6: it's gonna be aggressive. And again, you still got to
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  Speaker 6: make that perfect throw. You know, you gotta make a
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  Speaker 6: perfect girl. He has to field it cleanly, he has
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  Speaker 6: to apply that tag while you're coming in slide, and
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  Speaker 6: there's so many other aspects that go into it that
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  Speaker 6: have to go right, you know, for for that person
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  Speaker 6: to be thrown out, for that base runner to be
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  Speaker 6: thrown out. So if you're doing it aggressive and that
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  Speaker 6: team knows that, there are so many things that have
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  Speaker 6: to go right for them to get you out if
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  Speaker 6: you're being aggressive, because there's been too many times that
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  Speaker 6: I've got a basic single hit to me up the
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  Speaker 6: middle and I put my head down and when I
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  Speaker 6: look up, dude is very aggressive on that turn, like
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  Speaker 6: like like uncomfortable aggressive.
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  Speaker 4: So I know how that feels. So if you're applying that.
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  Speaker 6: Type of pressure to a defense, I mean, I'm telling
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  Speaker 6: you right now, it puts it puts that in their
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  Speaker 6: in their minds that I got to get to this ball,
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  Speaker 6: cut it off and get it in. Well, you doing that,
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  Speaker 6: there's a there could be an air throw, you know,
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  Speaker 6: and now I'm taking another base because that was a bad.
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  Speaker 4: Throw because I put this pressure on him.
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  Speaker 6: So there, that's there's definitely a lot that goes into that,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, it's it's having the freedom to fail.
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  Speaker 6: You fill in this game all the time. But again,
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  Speaker 6: if you're making an aggressive mistake, that's the best mistake.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: And all this base running talk leads us to our
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  Speaker 1: chart topper of the Week, presented by Drefkings. If I
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  Speaker 1: if I were to give a leader in the clubhouse
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  Speaker 1: for this, I would give it to Zach McKinstry. He
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  Speaker 1: is kind of like the epitome of the aggressive base runner,
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  Speaker 1: the the flying, flying around, caution to the wind, all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. And also I think he has just immaculate
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  Speaker 1: running for him, Like I really like I I've said
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  Speaker 1: this before, but I think like there's a guy that's
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  Speaker 1: like coke bottle milk bottle on his head when he's running,
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  Speaker 1: Like I like that that might be him. Like he
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  Speaker 1: looks like an actual sprinter in terms of his form
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  Speaker 1: out there. So I don't think it's not Riley Green,
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  Speaker 1: not Riley Green. Riley Green would have you can put
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  Speaker 1: a gallon jug on there and it'd.
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  Speaker 3: Be empty by the time he got the first base.
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  Speaker 3: So no, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: So so sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 3: All right, sorry buddy.
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  Speaker 1: So I wanted to point out something about Zach McKinstry.
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  Speaker 1: He at least his team has stolen bases, which again
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  Speaker 1: isn't much considering that we just talked about their their
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  Speaker 1: last stolen bases. But he has not had a solen
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  Speaker 1: base since August seventeenth, and he was recently thrown out,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm thinking he's got to get that that taste
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  Speaker 1: out of his mouth. He had gone since July fifth,
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  Speaker 1: having a caught stealing, so he doesn't want that like
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  Speaker 1: to too recent on his on his daily box score.
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  Speaker 1: So I have a pick here and we'll put it
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  Speaker 1: base against the Chicago White Sox. You know they got
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  Speaker 1: a talented catcher, but that's not necessarily his forte and
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here we earlier last month, we
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  Speaker 1: did in episode the two thousand and six Tigers versus
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  Speaker 1: this current squad, and you know, well that was the
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  Speaker 1: team that went to the World Series. So we're just
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  Speaker 1: gonna move up in the timeline a little bit and
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  Speaker 1: go to the next team that made the World Series,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: representative Tigers. And we got a guy here who was
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: on the team. So we're gonna do the same kind
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  Speaker 1: of little breakdown. We'll have Austin with us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: telling us about that season. So I wanted to start
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  Speaker 1: with this Austin.
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  Speaker 3: Two thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Run out of run, out of run, out of voice.
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  Speaker 1: If I try to mimic that one. But Austin Jackson,
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  Speaker 1: if I say to you, the twenty twelve Detroit Tigers,
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  Speaker 1: what kind of what kind of comes to mind?
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  Speaker 4: Powerhouse? Man?
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  Speaker 6: You know, you look at on paper the squad we
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  Speaker 6: had is unbelievable. From the pitching staff to the offense defense.
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  Speaker 4: We we were stacked.
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  Speaker 6: Man, and so that's the that's the word that comes
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  Speaker 6: to mind is powerhouse because we were we were pretty.
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  Speaker 4: Much from top to bottom is as good as it gets.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: And that was a fun team.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Fun clubhouse too.
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: That's that's another big thing is that clubhouse was was unreal.
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: Man Like the it was like a party every day,
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: you know. That's how we kept it. We kept it fun.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: And uh you know there there, everybody got along with
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: each other in the in the clubhouse, and we just
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: we really enjoyed playing with each other.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Man Like, you know, it didn't feel like a job.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: You know, it literally felt like you was going out
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: with your boys and we about to kick some tail
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: right now. And and that's what we did. Man, we
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: handle business. But we were a powerhouse.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: Man. We we we dominated. That's what we did.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I can I can only imagine the comfort level that
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: comes with being able a pencil in a Miguel could
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: wherever Prince fielder in the middle of your lineup. That's
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a pretty easy job there for Jim Leland, that very
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: specific aspect that you throw on the pitching all that stuff.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, powerhouse for sure. So I'm gonna be real great.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Great team made it to the World Series is jarring
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: every time to look on paper and be like, they
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: only won.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Eighty eight games.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thats how hard baseball is. What we talked last
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: week about our last episode about all the things that
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: don't make any sense, that team three Hall of famers
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: plus Prince Fielder plus a bunch of other dudes eighty
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: eight wins.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: So through one hundred and forty one games, which is
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: where we're at with the twenty twenty five Tigers, they
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: have currently a eighty one and sixty record. The twenty
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: twelve team was seventy four and sixty seven, and as
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Cody said, eighty eight and seventy four on the season
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: obviously made it to the World Series. So do you
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: want to start with the breakdown right now?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Cody?
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Let's see it all right, let's go.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Hard to catch, starting behind the plate.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Let's do catch her. We have you guys in order
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: this time.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: That's that's an improvement. I like it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: We were putting Dingler versus alex Avila, and we talked
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: about both of these guys recently about the value of
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: having high end catching play and Dingler two point seven
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: chances are it's gonna go up here. In the next
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: next forty games or so or twenty games. Excuse me,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: but Alexavina was a fine player too, and this wasn't
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: his best season, but he was still pretty rock solid
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: behind the plate there.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: So what do you guys think?
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: He was beat up too? He was beat up a lot.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: I'm not making any excuses, but poor album man, like
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: it was.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: It was. It was rough watching him walk up.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: And downstairs, like it looked really bad sometimes.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: So he was beat up.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: No excuses because I mean, he's still played well, but
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: he was beat up. But I mean you're looking at
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: it right now, at the numbers that Dingland put up
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: and is currently putting up.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: And this is this guy's he's the he's the truth. Man.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: He's helped this team out tremendously. I think he's exceeded
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: all expectations of what he was gonna be coming into
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: this year. I think he really felt like he has
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: something to prove and you can see it. Man, this
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: is this dude can.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Play both of my gay Jake Rogers but Kieran Jake
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Rodgers don't need to play more roll telling Tendler what
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: a guy.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But shout out to Bieler for having two stolen bases, So.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: We'll give, we'll give. We'll give Dingler the advantage of
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: probably a trail he going on the first base.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: We have a couple of guys that we've already mentioned
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of times on this podcast, Spencer Torklsen versus
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Prince Fielder. And I almost feel bad how lopsided this
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: is because Tork's had a fine year. But you're going
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: up against prime Prince Fielder. Man, Like, it's like, what
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you just gotta chalk it up, chock it up. You know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: very few could compare to prime Prince Fielder.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this was divolve on base percentage.
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: That'll play, bro.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: He was he was unreal and it was crazy because
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: there would be times where Prince like didn't feel that
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: he was doing good or something. I'm like, dude, you like,
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: first of all, you're protecting one of the best hitters ever.
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: That's that's hard in itself. And just to see the numbers,
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: because I mean, I haven't looked at these numbers for
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: so long, but look, I mean these are these.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Are unreal numbers.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Man. And like you said, this, really it's hard to
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: compete against Prince Dude. What he did on a baseball
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: field playing every single day. Never come one hundred and
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: sixty two games. First of all, is that's not realistic.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: That's a machine, dude.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Nobody's playing one hundred and sixty two games right now,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: like now.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: You're getting one day off. And that dude wouldn't. He's
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: an iron, he's a he's a horse man. He didn't
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: want to come out. You couldn't get him out. And
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: it's just it's crazy that he was able to stay
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: on the field as long because you know Brince would.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: He wasn't just like a stationary guy.
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: You brisk Briskin moved like Brinz would get out the box,
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: you know, and he would get he'd get dirty.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: He died for balls, man.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: So just that alone, dude, right there, a guy that
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: you cannot drag off the field. Man, I got to friends,
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: and of course you see the numbers, but that's pretty
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: much expected.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, this year's Tiger's team probably going to finish
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: with more wins than twenty twelve. But man, Riley Green
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: seventy great year toward seventy great year, Glaber's been a
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: little bit more of that on base guy they've lacked
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: for years, you still don't really have a prince fielder
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: who four out every ten times he comes to plate,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: he's getting on base.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what an asset to have.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, all right, well, speaking of that, Cody,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: we can go to second base and Labor Torres versus
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Omar and Fonte, who had a couple obviously a couple
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: stints with the Tigers, and and Glaber wasn't All star
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: starter this year. He has cooled off considerably as as
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the summer has worn on.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: But what do you guys think here?
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: Oh, man, hey, Omar, that's my and Fonte that's my guy.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: Dude, that dude is he's just super impressive.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: Like I've just talked about him from a hitting stand boy,
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: And first let me let me speak on Labor though,
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: because I really like his approach.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: Man like his approaches.
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: I know he has the leg kick, but his his
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: mechanics and just how consistent I've seen him this year
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: with getting that leg up and getting it down, because
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: a lot of guys have leg kicks in the big leagues,
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: but his just seems so consistent to me, and how
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: he's able to balance in the box and the way
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: he's able to stay inside the ball, the ball opposite field,
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: on pitch's middle end, pitches away. He's able to stay
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: on that ball. This dude is, he's he's a He's
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: a great hitter. I love watching him hit because again,
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: like he just looks locked in all the time, even
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: when you can tell he's kind of scuffling and not
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: feeling it. It just looks at any given moment, based
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: off like his mechanics and his balance and his timing,
• 23:23
  Speaker 6: that he could he could get it hit anytime. But
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: my man and fante, dude, it was it was so
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: it was so awesome to watch this dude hit a baseball.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: Like I don't know a lot of people know it,
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: but this dude was like his his cage work and
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: his you know is on the field work, his his
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: path to the ball, like he we talk about top
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: paying earlier, Karen, this was the Hey, this dude could
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: take a pitch. We always used to joke because he
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: would his his warm up swing and his eyes would
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: be like this, you know, and he would take a
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: woman swing and he would swing level with his eyes.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, are you were looking for that pitch?
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Like are you are you looking for a pitch at
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: your eyes, and I don't know if too many people
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: could take a pitch up and stay like there was
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: no dipping.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: This when he was just all top hand and through
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: the ball. It was. It was incredible. Man, he was
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: a really good second baseman.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: I'm biased a little bit then, but I gotta take
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: my man and Fante Man, he's a He's a great
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: player for a long time.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: Cuaiber.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: We talked all first half about how just incredibly consistent
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: he had been. It's only hitting two twenty three since
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the All Star break. Talk about something that could really
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: help the Tigers going down the stretch, as if he
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: can get going a little bit again.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So we're going with We're going with Omar there man
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: with that year by the way, So all right, another
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: one that's not doesn't need all that much discussion. But
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: sometimes I think people sleep on Parlta, man. I think
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: people sleep about how cold this guy was even as
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: he got older, because he could hit and and and
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and he was a.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Bad dude on the field too.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, I got I got a game
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: more in Jersey by Paralta hanging up my office.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: That's a bad dude. That's a bad dude.
• 25:18
  Speaker 6: L was the beast man. He was the beast he.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you one thing. If you hit it to him,
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: he's gonna make that play. But if it was to
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: the left right, come on, man, I shouldn't be feeling
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: that ball now. That's a groundball in the infield. Why
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: am I feeling it now? But like you said, Hey, kier,
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: you said it. My man could he could hit Johnny Parolta.
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: He go up there looking just with them, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: like he's just all chilling. He'd have his little bad
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: like that. And I'm talking about when he hit a baseball.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: He could hit offsby probably better than most guys.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: His ability to stay on the ausby pitch and drive
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: it out of the ballpark was pretty pretty amazing to watch,
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: and he did it pretty consistently the time that I
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: played with him.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: He was just such a good hitter man, Like he
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: had power. You know.
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: The average obviously wasn't there because he wasn't really, that
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: wasn't what he was really needed for. He was a
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: bopper man. So the ranger short stuffed. You know, he's
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: a bigger guy, bigger guy.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: You know, he liked this. He liked his food. You know,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: but he was.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: He was a good teammate man, and he played the
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: game hard, he played it right, but he could thump.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: That man could thump. So I gotta go with Johnny
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: p right here.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: A real downstream effect of Matt Vierling and Parker Meadows
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: being out pretty much all years, that's been a lot
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: more hobby and center. And Trey Sweeney has played one
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: hundred and two games. That that I just checked to
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: make sure I wasn't combining this year and last year.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: I got right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: He's played one hundred and two games. Not necessarily a
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: good thing for this year's Tigers tea.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta go with Johnny there, and I'm much
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: discussion and not much discussion on the next one either,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: where it's uh it's.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Cold and Miguel Cabrera.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else you could say about Meggie Man,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: but this was this was an MVP season for him.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: This was you know, playing third base.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, you know, oldest storylines about you know, the unselfishness
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: to allow Prince to come on the team, and they
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: obviously embraced each other. So uh, it's fitting Cold. Keith
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: had the change positions too this year, but Miggi's Miggy.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Cody, I don't got much here. We put
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Colt Keith as the third baseman. We also mckinstrey could fit.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I think he's actually played more games at third. So
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: that's a reminder again in comparing these teams twenty twenty five,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Tigers operate a lot differently. The lineup's changing all the time.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Wasn't quite that way in twenty twelve.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you got anything, Austin. I'm just
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: what did you think when you found out Migy was
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: going to go to third base?
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: I absolutely thought that if anybody could do what he could,
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: because well, when you look at the one hundred and
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: sixty one games played, I mean that's a guy that
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: he's what six' four around that probably.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Two eighty is upward More PROBABLY i thought career two.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Thirty he was, twelve but his son is, huge his
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: son is to. Thirty but, NO i just think that man.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Like people Don't people probably don't realize how good of
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: an Athlete Miguel cabrera. Was, yeah seeing him make that
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: transition to third, base it looks. Flawless man like when
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: we saw him in spring, training taking ground balls and
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: throwing balls to first. Base it was just, like, yeah
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: that's that's not. Normal that's not normal for you, to you,
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: know be a first basement and then make that transition
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: and make it look easy at that. Size so that's
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: Why i'm, saying, like when you when you think about mcgith,
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: berg you think about his, hitting which yeah you, should
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: But i'm telling, you the dude was an.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Athlete he was an. Athlete.
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: Man he could he could do he who he could play,
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: football he could throw a. FOOTBALL i, mean he could
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: do it. All so it didn't surprise me WHEN i
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: saw What it did surprise. Me but you, know seeing
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: me play third base and just making it look so, easy,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: man making it look ef, fless making it look like
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: he's been doing that for a.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: While it. Was it was, unreal.
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: Man and like you, said him being selfless right there
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: and Allowing prince to come in and play first, base
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: knowing that it was only going to improve our our
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: chances of. Winning, uh that just shows what kind of
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: teammate he was and kind of person he. Was but
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: the dude was a freak.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Athlete, yeah The bears repeating he was a made man
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: at this, point he did not have to do, that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and he did so. Credit you, know he should forever
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: be held in high regard just for that, alone in
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: addition to his great. Play All, right we are, well
• 29:58
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  Speaker 3: Like you, Know, hey go, Back how good of the?
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  Speaker 1: Ball Riley green obviously An All star star this, year
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: young and, improving setting a lot of records for Drafted
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: tigers players offensive. Production so what do you guys, Think
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: dirks And greens that?
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Year, Man, yeah you could play a little. Ball only
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: played eighty eight. Games of, course it's Man riley only
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: had two point six war kind of throws me off
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: because he's been so. Good he has thirty two, homers
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: he has one HUNDRED. Rbi doesn't grade out quite as well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: defensively despite still making a lot of diving, plays not
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: covering the. Ground he was even last, year still a great.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Player But i'm surprised this this isn't a four or
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: five win.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Season, YEAH i think that goes to show that how
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Good dirks really, was you.
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: Know and then you see the games, Played you see
• 32:22
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• 32:27
  Speaker 6: dirk still getting a hundred and one.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: Hits dirk's was a grinder. Man he.
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: Wasn't he didn't have this this this, ego you.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Know he was a. Grinder he was a team.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Player he's gonna do the necessary things to help a team.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: Win and defensively he was gonna go he was gonna
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: go all out for.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: You.
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: Riley really two different players here we're looking at, Right
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: Like riley's a bopper coming into himself and probably going
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: to be a, star is going to be a star
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: for this team for a long. Time BUT i think
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: about What dirk's was able to do on the defensive,
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: end AND i just feel like he just he brought
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: too much value because of. That both left handed, hitters
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: but the, DEFENSE i think is what stands out to
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: me Over. Dirts dirt's wasn't a guy that was required
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: to be a. Bopper we didn't need him to be.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: That we kind of needed him to be the like
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: a slasher type, player you, know hit balls in the. Gap,
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: still some basses take some extra. Bases and As i'm saying,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: That i'm looking at one stolen. Base but but he
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: was a sneaky, runner Though dirt's was a sneaky, runner
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: like maybe not sneaky mckinsry is not, sneaky But dirts
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: could run a little.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Bit he would definitely take the extra.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: Base he played that hard old style of, baseball like
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: that old school style of.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Baseball so but in this day and, age when we talk, about.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: You, know how this game is, changing how it's avolved
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: so much, Offensively riley might take the slight edge in
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: this one BECAUSE i think we can put up with
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: the defense if he's if he's putting up some offensive
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: numbers like, This.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah i'm Going Riley green thirty and one hundred can't knock.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: That if he could take a few more walks and
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: get that one base percent in the, job this would
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: not be as close as it looks right here on.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Paper austin twenty twenty, Twelve Tigers man thirty eight percent
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: extra bass taken twenty fifth in the. League what were
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you guys, Doing.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Dude we had. You don't go ahead and run and get.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: Thrown out if you want, TO miggi when you playing
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: Against Tampa, Bay, MICKY i stole one time AND i
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: got thrown, out And miggie looked at me all the
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: way with his hand on his hip in front of
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: everybody with his handles. Hip he looked at me all
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: the way to the. Dugout next, pitch get it in.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: The, aquarium.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Hit it in the, aquarium And Tampa bay and it
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: looks at me AS i come around their, Basis i'm
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: trying to. Hide So i've learned my. Lesson i'm, like
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: If i'm, On i'm in score. Positions so that's why you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Don't you're not.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Wrong dynamic is a little, different and that leads us
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: to the main event.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Here dang yeah see.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: That, ok.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Let's go Lear galarraga game.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: Catch let's see what we got. Here all?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Right you talk about himself too?
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Much right?
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Right this is a head of a, season, Man this
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: is a heck of a season from a center. Fielder
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: hobby bias In away has been this Year's Miguel cabrera
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: established highly paid, dude selfless enough to move. Positions it's worked.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Out he's played plus defense in center. Field he's moved
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: back to short and then back to. Center the bats
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: cooled way off since a hot start to the. Season
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: it's become a little bit of a. Problem hasn't been
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: playing as much. Lately but, still when you look at
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the big, picture where would this Year's tigers be if
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: not For Hobby bays at least being able to hold
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: down some some center field could be a little bit
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of a different. Story so a contribution that probably shouldn't be,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: overlooked even if he's not quite At Austin jackson's.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Level, YEAH i, WAS i, was, MAN i. WAS i
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: was challenged this year.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: Too, WELL i THINK i challenged myself BECAUSE i was
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: asking my teammates IF i did, this COULD i get
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: a watch IF i did, this AND i give you,
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: know a diamond. Bracelet SO i was like doing things
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: SO i can hold. Myself but LIKE i got, HEY
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: i want, to you, know work for this. WATCH i
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: better AND i ended up getting it. Too by the,
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: Way brockton had to give me his iced out. Brightling
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: oh he didn't want.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: To give it to. Me he didn't want to what
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: you get that? FOR i think that was for the home.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: RUNS i think that was for the home.
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Runs And i'm he wasn't gonna give it to, me
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: and the team got on. Him they was, like, nah,
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: man you can't make no bad like that and not
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: not come. Through, Also Prince, fielder he told me that
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: if if IF i get a three seventy on base,
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: percentage he would get me a watch as.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Well SO i got two watches that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: Year and he's also, said if you get three seventy
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: on base percentage and we'll go to The World. SERIES
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: i was, like, okay and we ended up going to
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: The World. Series that's, crazy that's.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Crazy so, yeah he get good.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: Though, man how he's done good, Though, like like you,
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: said you can't really you, know take that for granted
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: moving to center. Field that that's an. Athlete and we
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: talked about. Athletes this dude is athletic. Enough not everybody
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: can go play center field and you, know adjust well to.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: It you can throw Some Major League baseball players out,
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: there But i've seen him make some really good catches
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: out there and make it look pretty easy.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: TOO i was about to say if there's a list
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: of guys this century that played center field AT Ca
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: america that look comfortable and.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Instinctual.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: There austin's in that, Category parker's in that, category and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: we have to Put hobby in that category as. Well
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: i'm not even talking about who's better or, whatever but
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: just like just pure baseball instincts can get after a,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Ball hobby has put himself, there in my, opinion so
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: we'll give the edge.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: To our Guy.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: AJAX i, mean there was no, tiebreaker but the tiebreaker
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: would have Been ajax. Anyway all, right league can go
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to right, Field wentz Up perez Versus Brendan bosh and
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: And perez is a guy who has come. On he's
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: obviously hurt at beginning of this, year AND i still
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: think his value is understated by what the numbers were looking.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Here And bosh was a guy that you, know he
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: loved the lefty swing when it, connected but if you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: look at, it you, know two forty he ended up
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: having only twelve home. Runs the obviously didn't connect as
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: much as what his potential could have.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Been who else was playing in right this? Year austin
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: had Some Donny kelly for, SURE.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Dk was out there Like.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: RAYBURN i THINK i want to Say dirk's went over there.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: A little, bit probably probably went over there.
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: When When quinton was was out. There so, YEAH i
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: think those those. Three but, yeah, Man i'm. Listen was my.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Guy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: MAN i remember his first game up he took a
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: PITCH i think it was like down and in or
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: it was DOWN i know, that and drove it over
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: the left left field FENCE apo and everybody was, like,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: yo that fall WAS i, mean let me tell you.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: Something whenh hit the.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Ball, yeah, hey this sounded.
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: Different my man was strong, now he was six four
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: to thirty, five good, athlete could could, move you, know
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: pretty pretty. Athletic but, Man i'm telling, you he squared
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: the ball. Up it just sounded, different and it just
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: it just never it never came. Down he hit some
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: of the hardest. BALLS i don't even know if we
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: had the whole stack cast thing during this, time But
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: i'm sure he'd have been the leader in hard hit
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: balls several.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Times but his defense WAS i think something that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: He was kind of unsure of himself at, times you,
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: know like unsure if he should go for that or
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: make that throw or you, know there was just a
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: lot of unsureness with him, sometime AND i think a
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: lot of that came, from you, know just trying to
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: live up to those expectations when REALLY i, MEAN i
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: think he had proved that he was very capable of
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: being in the big, leagues and then he also got
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: put into a pretty tough. POSITION i would say for
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: a young guy hitting second in front Of Miguel. Cabrera you, know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: hey you're thinking you're gonna get, fastball but when you're
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: standing up there six, four two thirty, five, brother you getting,
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: them you, know like so you, know IT'S i enjoyed
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: my time with Bosh.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Man he's a great. Teammate we have some, good you,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: know good times, together but win.
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: SO i just think defensively and in his arm and
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: how accurate he can be with that arm in the.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Outfield hitting, HITTING i think he.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: Does he does, well solid, hitter makes some really good,
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: contact doesn't try to do too, much you, know he
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: just has a, short compact, swing and there's a lot
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: of pump in that swing.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Too at.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Times he's hit some balls really well THAT i DIDN'T
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: i couldn't, tell you, know ON, tv and then you
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: they showed the angle and it's, like, Whoa, no he
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: clicked that ball. Good So i'm Giving wintel this one
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: BECAUSE i think that defensively he kind of he stands.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Out, yeah onces a lot of nice things For tigers this.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Year he has run in some outs on the bases
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: recently that weren't necessarily a product of aggressive. Sins they're
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: just straight up. Mistakes he doesn't like to get called
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: off on fly, balls, Right so he's one of the
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: more raw players on this. Team general, way it's, like,
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: dude he's still really, young he's still getting, better really
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: interested to see where his career is going to. Go but,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: man he's done a lot of things to help them.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Win, yeah fun, player funk out a root for uh
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and that brings us to D h and it's being
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: a hitting the ball. Hard both of these guys could.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Hit they could, hit could hit the cover of off the,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Ball and we Saw carrie do it On wednesday one
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour and then said it over into
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: the right field. Stands So delman was a postseason. Hero
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: at the numbers here don't necessarily reflect like his his true.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Value but what do you guys think.
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: Posteason posted Postseason delman b gotta have, him gotta have.
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: Bro i'll tell you right now, now time will tell
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: what mister mister carry though now because he that was
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: at the moment already.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Got some postseason under his.
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: Belt that that ball one hundred in on the black
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: and he's turning on it like. That, man this dude he.
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: Is he shocked. Me i'm not gonna lie Like I'm
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: i'm convinced. Now I'm i'm all the way convinced that
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: this dude is. Legit not THAT i you, know was
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: thinking that he was just gonna come off because you
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: you see the, swings but at some point you're figuring,
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: like oh well maybe maybe it's just like the the
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: the legal start to figure him, out but they're just
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: not you, know there's not too many holes in his,
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: swing you, know up down in. Away he kind of
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: does it all LIKE i. Would IF i, WAS i
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: would throw him everything. AWAY i would throw him anything
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: in or anything he can you, know turn.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Off i'd be.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: Throwing him stuff. Away but, again if we're if we're,
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: going you know who we're, Taking i'm gonna have to
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: take cart. MAN i love De, vindough that's my. Guy
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: but seeing him run basis sometimes.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: He get the. Running but, man he could.
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: Thump he could hit the ball a country mouth and
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: he used like a thirty five thirty four thirty five
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: hours thirty four is something. Ridiculous and nobody's choosing that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: That nobody's that. Cockstrong them youngs are, different, man they built.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Different but If i'm If i'm taking a, Gay i'm
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: gonna Take cart right. Here but love me some postseason
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: young though man them was a.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Beast the chess piece value of Carry carpenter remains like
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: hard to put into. Contexts you can't put a number on.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: It yesterday's, Game Clay, holmes right handed, starter stayed in
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: to face Carry carpenter walk. Them behind him Was Riley,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: green another left handed. Batter met's brought In Gregory. Soota
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: they didn't want to bring In soto For, cart probably
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: because they knew aj would go to his. Bench but
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: where does that lead? Us karp is still in the
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: game because the other manager was. Afraid and then he
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: gets the right, hand he gets the bat Against hellsley
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and he goes. Yard that's just like the next level
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: that Carry carpenter keeps bringing to this. Team it's kind
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: of incredible to watch play out day after.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: Day, YEAH i, Agree, delman great, memories but you Know.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Carpenter carpenter's no slash in the postseason department and his
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: story is yet to be, Written so give the edge
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: To carpenter. There so now we got what a utility?
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Guy?
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Utility we Know tiger's Had Donnie kelly, too but the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: guy with the most at bats off the bench Was
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Quentin barry that year And zach. McKinstry he could be
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: the starter at. Third he's played a lot of, riot
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: he's played a lot of, short but he's really this
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: team's do it all super. Utility so we're going to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: compare these, two AND i think it's another area where
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: it's almost hard to compare these teams because they're so.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Different McKinstry we call him a utility guy or a bench.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Player he's in the lineup pretty much every. Day two
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: point eight worst, season exceeded all. Expectations been a huge
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: part of.
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: This, Yeah, YEAH i think just because of where you
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: can play him and just his value in that aspect
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: of being able to pretty much play anywhere on the,
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: field hit anywhere in the. LINEUP i think for that reason,
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: alone really that you, know he takes it on this
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: one and what he's able to do on the base
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: pass AND i mean he has nineteen stolen. Bases it's
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: not too far off From quinton, there And quentin was
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: a really good base, runner really really high level elite base.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Stealer BUT i JUST i LIKE i like his. GAME
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: i like his, BAT i like his.
• 46:27
  Speaker 6: BAT i love the way that he's able to make
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: transition and, not you, know not look like he's not
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: able to play. There you, know he looks like pretty
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: comfortable in his. Role and you, know LIKE i, said
• 46:40
  Speaker 6: and from that, alone him being able to play anywhere
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: and hit anywhere in the, LINEUP i gotta take a
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: man's a.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Right we're getting along. Here zach's gonna get the. Edge
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: comparing the rotations is, interesting but nothing isn't interesting as
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: comparing the ace of these two. Rotations Justin verland Or Trek.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Scougle Terrek school has a good chance to win back
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to back Cy. Young's he's probably still not going to
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: measure up to the eight worst Season Justin verlander, had
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: but he does have a BETTER, yar higher strikeout, rate
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: doesn't walk as many. Dudes these are two real guys right.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Here, yeah Well scooble had the edge over Six. Verlander,
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: yeah but that was very Young. Verlander this is a
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: little bit. Closer this is very. Close it might be
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: the exact same age. SEASON i had Think verlander's age twenty.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Nine this Is school's age twenty eight.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Season.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Ye so right, there these are two guys in the
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: prime of their, career and the.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: War is higher For verlander because he's throwing a lot more.
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: Innings, yeah, man this is A this is a tough, one,
• 47:47
  Speaker 9: man because you, know obviously getting to play With burr
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: and getting to see you, know him, pitch you, know
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: so many games and getting to see the bulldog that he,
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: was but now getting to Watch tyreek and seeing that
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: he he's that same type of bulldog on the.
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: Mound he just coming from the left. Side they have this,
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: mentality they have this aura about him on the, mound
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: man that you can't miss, it you, know and that
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: that presence, alone, man is just it's, intimidating two big
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: guys up on the mound coming at, you not afraid
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: to throw a fastball at. You but Ver man in
• 48:22
  Speaker 6: this time was he was just he was. Different he was,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: Different like you knew that he was going seven. Plus,
• 48:28
  Speaker 6: uh he wasn't gonna come out the. Game you couldn't
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: take him out the, Game, like come out there if
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: you want, to you gonna be walking right back to
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: the dugout because that's.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Just who he.
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: Was he knew his you know what he was capable,
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: of and he was gonna give you that every time he.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: Pitched i'm gonna Take i'm gonna Take vern this. One
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: i'm gonna Take.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Vern.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: Man i'm a little, again little, biased BUT i just
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: think that he had that it and not That tyrek,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: doesn't BUT i think, that you, know just playing behind
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: him and seeing how he was set hitters up and
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: then go from ninety two to ninety three to one,
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: Hundred that's that's.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: Different.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: Man So i'm gonna Take bird's Take trek's.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: School oh, YEAH i, mean we got a better r
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: better strikeout, right better walk right er, Plus so you're
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: comparing it to the rest of the. League trek's, Better
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Oliver orlander has is the innings the era in which he.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Played now it's. Close i'll take either of these. Guys
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: but if we look at the staff as a. Whole
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: now twenty twenty, Twelve tigers win that pretty. Easily you
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: had Sures Er porcello actually didn't have that good of
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: a year four five SEVEN, era but you had a
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Little Annibal, sanchez a Little Smiley fister was better era
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: than Sures are that. Year that was a rotation with some,
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: dudes and that helped you guys get to The World,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: series no.
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  Speaker 6: Doubt, absolutely, dude when you that deep and start not you, know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: yeah the bullpend we were good that, year but the
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: starting rotation was ridiculous that any any guy that went
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: out there had the you, know the potential to.
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: Win the ball game and go long in the in
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: the ball game as.
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: Well so that was always, cool like knowing that these
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: guys are gonna give you six seven plus innings and
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: you know.
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: They were always gonna give us a chance to win
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: the game at the end of the.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Game, YEAH i would side With school because he's a
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: friend of the, podcast so that gives him the tie.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Breaker he's come on the pod.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Before Uh, so right, NOW i think we're gonna end
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: in a, tie, guys because the, position if you include the,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: utility it's five to.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: Five and then if you say that that.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: Separate rotation and bullpen to break the. TIE i don't
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: know which. Bullpens how do you guys feel about that
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: BULLPEN i would give it to this year's squad because
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: they they because the you, know it's starters aren't that
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: impressive if you just look at the. Numbers so it's
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: got to be something it's and it's therefore it's. Bullpen
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: so About, birdie what you talk?
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: About?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Man we have thirty four thirty, five says repect. Save,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: well this is almost a two more, player, man we'll
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: best best.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: SEVEN a nice. Year different bullpens used in different, ways
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: so again a little bit of a different, game a
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: little bit of a different. ERA i think the twenty
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: twenty Five tigers have to get to The World series
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: before we can we can say they win, though.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: And then again we've also, said with respect to The
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: hall Of Famer Jim leland and Aj hinch front of the,
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: podcast we're just gonna make it a draw so we
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: don't have to we don't have to make any decisions.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Here, uh you don't want anybody get mad at.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Us SO i think right now this is a, Tie
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: so it's. Up it's it's up to this year's squad
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: to Match org, seed what the twenty twelve team did
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and what a special year that wasn't and fun to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: go down memory. Lane so, uh a little bit of
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: a long, podcast, guys but a lot of. Fun, Nonetheless
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: i'm glad we are will do that With austin on.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Here uh see see the smile of his face as
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: he's talking about his former his former clubhouse mates and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: and giving us a little anecdotes and.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Stuff that was a lot of. Fun so, uh you.
• 52:10
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• 52:23
  Speaker 1: home stretch here In. September so For Austin, JACKSON i
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Play oh, OH i.
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  Speaker 2: DIDN'T i didn't have a que. Up what was?
• 52:30
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