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We won a tournament | New Bow Disciples Challenge venue? · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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So you got first place in the tournament.
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Congratulations. I'll stop looking for radicals.
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Yes, yes, I did. I got a first place.
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You know, it was a a tough competition.
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Pretty stacked glass. Pretty, yeah, pretty stacked,
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you know, mentally it was, is tough between the contestants
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of, you know, myself and myself. It was a one of one class.
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So I cannot say my shooting earned a first place.
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There's a hair in my eye, there's hair in my eye.
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I can't say that my shooting earned a first place, you know,
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position, but I got a first place cup.
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So yeah, yeah, yeah. But brief summary.
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If, you know, you hadn't watched the previous ones.
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We, you know, it was a new bow. I had only basically just put it
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together to go on the Arizona hunt, got new strings as soon as
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we got back from that hunt. So I had brand new strings,
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hadn't shot the bow. It hadn't been, you know, the
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strings hadn't been run in yet. We just put the arrows together
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like 2 days before heading out to this tournament.
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The new skinny arrows. So different type of arrow,
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different weight of arrow. What else did we do?
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I maxed out the poundage pretty much.
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So went from 46 1/2 lbs. So like it's either 49 1/2 or
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50, just depending on whose scale draws it back.
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A lot of changes. And the weight was the biggest
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thing. So we went out.
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I shot like ass the first day. I mean, garbage.
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If you were there in my class, you would have been like.
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He. Likes but it was what it was I
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was having to draw we sighted it 1 pin in out of three pins to
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use it as a single pin the night before the shoot.
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So I was tired I was having to draw with my elbow down.
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You would have just cringed and I was just yanking shots to the
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right. I was like, I know we sighted
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this pin in for the most part, like it shouldn't be 5 inches to
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the right. So I adjusted a little bit of
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windage, but not a ton. So I was like, I don't, I don't
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think this is the bow. And then we went to the fun
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course that afternoon. We could talk about that more,
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but it's eventually essentially you helped me draw every single
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shot on the fun course and I beat you.
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Now, you are a little impaired, so I wouldn't say it was
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necessarily, you know, an outright win, but I won and
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nonetheless my score represented all 10s, all twelves and two
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eighths. I think on the fun course, two O
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6 and the yards, not as many shots as far as the the
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competition course, but much more challenging and smaller
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targets on the fun course. So it's like, how in the world,
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how can this be? How can I shoot a two O 6 and a
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148 on the course in the morning?
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It's because I wasn't drawing the bow myself.
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Maybe you don't have nerves of steel for competition.
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Probably not that too, but I was.
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I knew I was only competing against myself, so it was like
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that. I think the nerves, and maybe
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they'd be more if I actually had competition, maybe that would
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help. But it was just like, it's
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whatever, There's nobody else in my class.
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Well, what? You can do is since we're
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competing this weekend. If you want more competitors,
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you can sign up for female bow hunter rather than freestyle.
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Can you actually sign up for this one?
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Yeah, it's a competition. That's true, yeah.
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It's there'll be more people at this one.
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There will for sure. Maybe I'll do that and it'll
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it'll push me, but then I have to not move my sight your. 3rd
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pin for your tack pin hits but most of the shots are under 40.
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Well I just need to sight the bow in in general. 20.
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Through 40, you know the correct way you're supposed to sight in
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the altar. 20 through 40, yes. But so and I, I have decided
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that I think, I think it is just a matter of form.
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And when you're 1 tired and you exert a lot of your energy in
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the draw of the bow and when you're exerting that and drawing
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in a way that you don't, I haven't practiced drawing in two
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years. Your form just, you would think
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you go back to the same shapes, same position, same spot for
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your hands, all of that. And I just don't think you do.
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And I think my, I think my front hand is a little torqued when
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I'd have to do this and it's not getting back to normal.
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And I think I'm just yanking shots because I'm, I'm drawing
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differently because when you draw for me in my form goes
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back, you know, as it should. They were fine.
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So I think it's just a matter of I need to get.
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I need to get, I wouldn't necessarily say stronger.
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I need to build up more endurance because I can draw the
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poundage, but I need to get to the point where I can draw it
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all the time without like the 46 1/2 lbs was where it was just
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like a cake walk. Yeah, or possibly both.
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Yeah, both. Because the goal is to keep
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moving up, but I want to get to the point where 50 is a cakewalk
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and right now it is not because I did this all will move forward
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in the tournament. The second day, I think it was
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just a matter of I'd been shooting my bow every day for
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like 3 days now. And so I was starting to feel
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almost less tired, maybe like hitting a second wind.
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And I was drawing the bow fine and a lot of eights, you know,
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So not as perfect as when you were drawing the bow essentially
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for me because I am exerting some energy, but I was drawing
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it normal elbow up a lot of eights, a lot of 10s.
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And then towards the end I started to get tired again.
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And unfortunately, the target we started on meant that we ended
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the course on a bunch of uphill 40 to 45 yard shots.
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And it's not far. But also uphill has never been
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my strong suit. We know that somehow I always
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end up shooting high and we added 1/2 inch to my draw.
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So I don't have as much leverage to push and pull, which becomes
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a little bit of an issue in uphill shots.
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And so I I shot 2 over the targets, it's 2 zeros and then I
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got 2 fives and it just tanked my score.
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If I had shot, we did the math. If I had shot average, which an
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average for me was an 8 the second day.
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If I had shot average well a little higher than 8, but say I
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just got eight, I would had a 174 instead of a 152.
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So I can't say that my shooting earned a first place position,
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but we know the things that need to be worked on and you can't be
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mad. I did all of the setup, you
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know, a day before and the week before we went out.
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So that's how it went. And I was just happy to get out
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there and compete and shoot and I'm happy to be at 50 lbs.
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You know I can't be mad if I'm not strong enough at it yet, but
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it has been a long time coming to get to a maxed out 50 lbs.
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So just keep moving up from their goal is to get to 55 by
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the end of the year and which would require new limbs because
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I think I can get to about 52 with with string twists and what
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not, but I can't get past that. So it's kind of then becomes the
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game of your entering into hunting season by then.
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Do you move up in poundage, get new limbs, they're backed out
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almost all the way or do you just stay with a maxed out
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efficient bow at 52 lbs until next January and start the
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process, you know, all over again.
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It's tough to bait. I think most people if they were
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to leave a comment would say wait until after hunting season
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again and then change the limbs. That gives you a whole year of
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getting strong and comfortable at the maxed out poundage.
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But am I that wise? Ally says no.
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So how did your shoot go tell us about James, this or in all of
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his. I'm sure it was very difficult
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for you. I'm sure you had, you know, a
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lot of competition. I'm sure the scores were very
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close. Go ahead and tell me about it.
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Well, first of all, you you do have an addiction to changing
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your setup constantly. Yes, I do.
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So I would, I would venture. To get a new lift.
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To change it as much as possible.
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Yeah, that's my guess. When by that a new bow might
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come out. Yeah, I mean, it will.
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Yeah. New bows come out.
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When is it? October.
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Yep. Oh yeah, that might be the
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better plan. Just get 60 LB limbs on the new
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bow. There you go.
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Yeah. And then hold on to that bow
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until I'm ready to switch over to it.
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There you go, I will. Stumble.
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This is definitely chiming in. It's a little bit of a rainy
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day. Honestly, I'm a little bit
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disappointed in the amount of rain we've got thus far.
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It's very minimal, so I'm hoping we get more.
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It's supposed to rain the next couple of days.
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This podcast admittedly is out a little bit late.
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I just completely forgot to do it yesterday.
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So it will be out on Wednesday, but it's going to be out late,
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especially on YouTube because it'll take 8 hours to upload on
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my computer. But don't have the best Internet
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but the. Spotify will be up right when we
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finish, so that's good. We got it done.
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But yeah, as far as a competent, oh, subscribe, by the way, on
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the YouTube, subscribe to the podcast Five Stars on Apple and
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Spotify. That's where you go.
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Cast app for for Subs. Yeah, almost 800.
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It's like 790 something, OK. So moved up a little bit from
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last week. So we should be getting close to
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monetization, which I really appreciate.
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And yeah, we'll just keep growing it each week.
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So the competition for me was let's see here was comfortable
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with the bow, but I had just got new strings and hadn't hadn't
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shot at all with the new strings.
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I only brought 4 arrows, just these four here.
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The bow I was pretty confident was sided in, but admittedly I
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had only shot it at six yards with the new strings.
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So at six yards, you know, everything's pretty close to the
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middle. But when I thought about it,
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everything was on a little dime. I was low left on everything and
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you know, on on at six yards. So then I got out to their range
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and at 70, I think I first shot at 60 or 70.
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Everything was low left. Went to 40, everything low left,
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20, everything low left. So I was thinking about
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switching it. This is the day before the
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contest and Scott Chuck's like, oh, I would wait.
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I wouldn't switch it till the morning.
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So I shot again in the morning right away, everything low left.
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So I adjusted, moved it up and to the right.
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David is filming me the first day.
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It's two day shoot 20 targets each day.
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You're scoring 058101220 targets a day and the distances can
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range anywhere from I think 6 was the shortest to 60's the
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longest. So anything's in that.
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OK, so. Yours went out to 60.
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Yeah, in that range. So first day I think I started,
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I think I may have started with A8 on the first shot, but it was
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a tough shot. It was like AI think it was a
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really small target. I may have shot A8 or might have
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been a 10 and then I shot a couple 10s and then like another
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eight and then like which is not a good start, you know, compared
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to what I had done last year. Then I shoot A5 and I didn't
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have a single five all of last year at the same tournament.
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So I was like, OK, this I'm not off to a hot start here.
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Struggle through a couple more 10s probably.
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And David goes, hey, you're everything is right.
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Everything you're hitting was a little right.
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So we adjusted the site a few clicks on the dual track.
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And yeah, after that I think we did a couple more targets.
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They were better, 10, maybe at 12, did a little more adjusting,
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couple more clicks and from there it was like it was dialed.
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So it was kind of the tale of the first six to seven targets
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day one and then the rest were really good.
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So I didn't come out of the day with the lead.
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I had a 195, which I averaged. I think it's like a 9.8 was my
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average. So not quite above par day one,
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but close. And then I think 2nd place was
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180, so back 15 for me. So that's a pretty good lead.
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So day 2 we reshuffle. So two of the guys I shot with
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were the same Axel and Randall, but then my buddy Axel super
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hard. But then my buddy Rampage, who I
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bump into all the time, that shoots everywhere across the
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country. Did you say his name's Ramp?
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That's not his real name, no. But that's what but he went,
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he's been to both BD challenges. I've bumped into him attacks all
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across the country. He's a good dude, good shooter.
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It's the first time we ever got paired.
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So I come in 15 points up and now the night of the tournament,
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night one after night 1, I ended up having a a fair amount of
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pops, you know? Yeah, yeah, I.
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I played. I was playing football with some
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kids and ended up falling, cutting my hand.
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I think you fell during soccer when we switched to soccer.
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OK, whatever. I fell during soccer, my hands
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torn up and then I, you know, it wasn't my best evening.
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Fell out of a chair. You just fell over.
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My hand worse. Yeah.
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Bandage up the hand I you know, the the silver lining was that
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at least I went to bed at 8, you know?
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Yeah. Go to bed and I, I, I wake up
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and I'm like, man, I hope my hand is not going to harm my
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shooting because it's like right where I, so I'm, I'm, I wake up
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about 3:00 AM and I'm, you know, just hammering water from that
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point forward. So by from three till the time I
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woke up, I bet I slammed 3/4 of a gallon of water.
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So I woke up, I went right over to the practice range, drew my
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hand felt OK. I had to change my grip just
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slightly, but it would work and said all right, we're ready to
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roll Day 2. So I came out and 1st target
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again shot at 8:00, but it was because it was a tiny little
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grouse and the so I get just like a tiny bit to the right
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after that. I mean, I was grease in that
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course. I mean I was smoking everything.
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It was it was smoking everything and I ended up two O 5.
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No 2O22O2 day 2 so a little bit better than par, but overall I
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got 397, so a few below par, which is worse than I did last
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year at this same tournament, but I do think the courses were
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quite a bit tougher so it's. They definitely and then David
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talked about that in the morning meetings, you know, like they, I
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guess the one feedback they got last year was that it was too
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easy. And so they did try to do some
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some tucking and some some hiding and some through brush
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shots and whatnot, which I think it's fun, especially for a
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competition because you don't see that a lot in competition.
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So like, mind you, these people saying like I, I feedback wise,
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I think it was too easy. Like if you go to any ASA, they
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are 1, you are capped on your, your distances.
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So it's like you can't make them go any further than that
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distance. That's what's required for the
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competition per your class. And then two, you cannot hide
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rings. The entirety of every ring has
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to be visible like that's in the scorebook.
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So like you sure you can hide a butt or a head or something but.
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I don't even. Maybe you can't even do that,
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I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't even know if you
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can, but I know that vitals, all rings have to be visible.
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So like a competition is tough to make a course tough, you
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know, like the goal is literally to dial in and get twelves.
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Yeah, and luckily they have some terrain which they did utilize
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more this time, which I thought was great.
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I did enjoy that a lot when they went into some new areas and
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which led to, oh, here you go on, you go on and finish your
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your tournament how you're going to add up.
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Well, I guess at 397. So yeah, I was, I was happy
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with, really happy with my shooting.
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I always, I always tend to feel like I'm getting off the blocks
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a little bit slow, but my scorecard usually doesn't really
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reflect it. I it was good.
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I mean, it was good. Yeah, it was good.
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So I just try my best to just, I try my best just to not ever
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like implode, you know, And if I can just plug away and get up
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mostly, you know, 10s and twelves, then it's all right,
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you know, that's all I can do. I really try to just focus on
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each shot individually. And that way if I hit a 5 or
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miss something, it's like OK well that one wasn't good but it
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doesn't matter because now I have to shoot this one.
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And I just. Try to look at it.
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You work, I think better on competition and that first day
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is always a random, random mix of who you're shooting with.
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And so ensure you could compete with whoever is in your group,
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like, you know, analyzing scores and OK, like, I mean, I'm 2 up
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from them and whatnot. But like you might in this is no
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offense to anybody, but like that, you know, you always have
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your best to your worst shooters at any competition.
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So like, you might be up from them, but they're not giving you
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the strongest competition, You know what I'm saying?
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That's what I'm saying. Whereas if you were placed with
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who you knew going to say like Rampage or whatever, day one, I
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think you would come out stronger because you already
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know who you're shooting with as a comparable shooter to you
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because that's just how you work you.
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You love to compete. You love to to be top dog.
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Yeah, I mean every, every point matters.
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That's The thing is like each shot matters.
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And so many people often times I think will shoot a bad shot.
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And I think I used to maybe do this when I was younger, but not
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so much anymore. Once they shoot a bad shot,
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we'll just like fall apart for a while and then like it takes a
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long time to get back on the on the good path of, of a good
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string of targets. I think it's just like gets in
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your head and rather than focusing on, you know, let's say
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you make a bad shot on target 15, rather than focusing on
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making your best shot possible and target 16, you're still
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worried about target 15. Well, and I think you're, you're
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not even worried about 15. It's more so that like I think
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the mindset you go in is like, OK, I did this wrong, I think I
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was gripping wrong or what? Or whatever it is.
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You're trying to analyze 15 to adjust for 16 rather than just
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forgetting about 15 and shooting how you normally shoot on 16.
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Because obviously if 15 is not how you normally shoot, then who
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can? Don't.
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Don't analyze what you think you did right or wrong.
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Just go through your shooting process and do what you normally
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do. Yeah, and it probably won't
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happen again. Well, it's kind of, I think
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Barry Bonds had a really good example.
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That kind of is what you just said somewhat, but he was
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talking about batting practice and and how most people practice
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wrong because he was saying that, you know, if I'm in a game
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and I had a perfect line drive and barrel the ball perfect and
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my swings perfect and I was right on time.
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But the ball just happens to go to and out, you know, say the
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shortstop and they catch it and it's an out he goes.
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What a lot of people do is try to make an adjustment so they
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don't get out next time he goes. I never do that because my swing
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was perfect. So all I'm trying to do is do
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that same swing again and luck is going to, you know, then more
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often than not it'll work out. But if I'm chasing the result
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for each at bat, now I'm chasing my tail and I'm not getting.
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The same concept form. But when you put it like that,
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just like you just did, that really makes sense to me, you
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know, because even if you have perfect form on every shot,
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something can always happen. You know your bow can you know,
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have a slight mechanical or a family could have landed on your
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eye right when you shot or. Or gorgeous fatigue, but you
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just have to keep it can still be you, but you can't, you know,
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necessarily overcome your fatigue, not in a short term.
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You can continue to push and pull as you normally do, but
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when people are like, OK, well, I'm fatigued, so let me just
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push and pull more. And like, well, now you're
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changing your form. If you're pushing and pulling
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harder than you normally do, you are adjusting your form and
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therefore your, your, your shot outcome like you're over
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stretching your string then more than you normally would.
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You're probably pushing out that arm further than you normally
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would. You're extending that elbow more
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than you normally would. So you can't overcome, you know,
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and adjust for these things. You can just keep doing what you
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normally do and either the fatigue is going to cause
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failures in your shooting or the wind is going to gust or a
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family is going to land on your eyeball, you know, whatever it
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is, or you twitch accidentally that time, maybe the next time
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you don't twitch, you know, So it's just you just have to, I
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think you have to reset and do your same.
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That doesn't mean you're not improving, but if you're trying
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to adjust or like said, chase the outcome.
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Well, you also probably don't want to be practicing during the
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game, you know what I mean? Like you want to practice
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between games, but on game day you kind of are locked in with
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what you don't. Want to do something you don't
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know is or isn't going to work by trying it out while you're
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out there on the field? Just keep doing what you
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normally do and it's either going to work out for that
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tournament or it's not. And you know, I did, I did
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actually, like I said, adjust the site a handful of clicks
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during the event, which I, I don't think I've done before,
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but you know, I was comfortable to do it because I, I was seeing
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the result and it was true everything, even if it was in
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the 10, it was on the right side, you know, so just by, and
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that's such the nice part about having the micro adjusts, like
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Josh told me, now I can just move it 4 clicks and say, all
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right, let's try it again. It's not going to be, it's not
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going to be too far to the left, But did I move it far enough now
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to the left and then you just go from?
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There, and that just takes skill and knowledge.
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It's the knowledge of knowing your equipment and how many you
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know, how many clicks moves, how far you know.
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So you know, you know, knowledge wise, you're not moving it too
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far and just skilled to know that, OK, this is I have shot
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enough times in my lifetime to know that you know, this is
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happening. It doesn't normally happen.
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I can adjust it. I'm not going to then adjust.
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And OK, all of a sudden I go back to my normal form.
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I don't know what I was doing and now I'm too far to the left
25:44
because I adjusted my sight. Your skill tells you that and
25:48
your knowledge of the equipment tells you what to do and how
25:50
much to do it. That's all it takes.
25:53
And that's comes from repetition over lots and lots and lots of
25:56
time. Like I wouldn't suggest a news
25:58
shooter sit there and chase, you know, they're they're shot
26:04
tournament. I would say just practice your
26:07
form and you're, you know, you're shooting, But that's
26:11
those are all different skill levels.
26:12
So overall, I think it was a a great shoot.
26:16
I think it tells me I need to shoot more and we need to stop
26:22
by the bow shop and pick up those little mini mini targets.
26:26
They can maybe, you know, shoot even more in the house and a
26:30
good, fun, fun weekend. And we're going to go out there
26:33
next weekend again. This time just camp, film, have
26:37
a good time and go to walk the trail.
26:39
We didn't think we were going to be here for it, but we're
26:41
actually not gone until the next weekend up to Washington.
26:45
And that's always a fun shoot. We talked about it on the last
26:48
pod, but you got to like find the targets.
26:50
They're not marked. You can use a range Finder, but
26:54
they are not, you know, there's no cone to tell you there's a
26:56
target there. So if you missed one, it's a 0
27:00
on your scorecard. So it's a fun, fun shoot.
27:03
They give out little pins for like first, second, third, third
27:06
place winners. And yeah, I, I just, I, I like,
27:13
I like Yuma's, you know, the land that they've got.
27:20
And that kind of led you to talking with David and Scotty
27:23
about the potential to do a second, a second state of BDC
27:30
because there is a lot that you could do with their land
27:35
creativity wise that they don't normally do.
27:41
And it would be more challenging.
27:43
You know, some sometimes what you do is not meant for the
27:46
faint of heart or the weak, weaker need like myself or you
27:51
know what not. But that's why the name is
27:54
called Challenge Bo Decipher. Well you mean it would be more
27:57
challenging than what they do currently?
27:59
For sure. Yeah, because you're using
28:00
different area that has some steeper, steeper stuff, climbs,
28:04
hikes and shots than it normally use.
28:06
This is something that's always kind of irked me is when people,
28:15
for example, when I wanted to do Motorcycles Challenge back in
28:18
2020, it wasn't going to be called that.
28:20
The name was so goofy. What?
28:22
Were you going to call it? Like the extreme 3D experience.
28:25
So it was at, it was at, I actually had the, I had the
28:29
promotion done and everything like the first video, which was
28:32
also asked, but I had everything ready to go and then COVID
28:36
struck. So it never came out, but I
28:38
remember back then when I was pitching like what I wanted to
28:41
do, it was going to be different than what it is now.
28:44
But basically it was going to be, I think just one day, but
28:49
like everything was going to be like 80 yards an hour.
28:52
Like it was going to be big, you know, and which would be cool to
28:55
do sometime. And that was the plan.
28:58
But I remember there's this guy who I used to chat with who was
29:00
like, well, you know, I just think about these guys and these
29:04
four people that can't do it. So because of that, I can't do
29:07
something like that. I'm like, look, I'm not going to
29:09
make some shit for one person or four or four.
29:12
I'm sorry. I'm going to make the stuff that
29:14
is that like as an avid shooter who has fun pushing myself and
29:20
my shooting, I'm making it for me.
29:23
And if and other people like me and if you're not like me,
29:27
that's fine. Just don't come, right?
29:30
I don't get it. When people go, oh, well, we'd
29:32
be scared of someone getting hurt.
29:33
I'm like, look, the promotion says if you're not in good
29:37
shape, maybe think about not coming.
29:40
Like it's it's all out there. So like when you when you I
29:44
don't, I don't like coddling, you know, and maybe maybe you're
29:47
someone who's not in the best shape.
29:48
And you said, you know what, I want to go to Bo disciples
29:51
challenge and try to push myself and try to get it done.
29:54
Maybe. Maybe it's like, you know.
29:57
It's a challenge for you, a person, as an individual.
30:03
I just think like people are adults, you don't got to baby
30:05
other adults. Yeah, they can make the choice
30:07
whether they think they're capable or not or if they want
30:10
to challenge themselves or not. And that's not to say everything
30:14
that we you build is hard as shit.
30:17
You know it. It's still challenging, but
30:21
there's a lot of closer shots that are just technical.
30:24
But again, it pushes you to challenge yourself, yourself and
30:27
your skill as a shooter. And that's what I think is fun.
30:31
It's the same thing with tech. That's what's it's a fun time,
30:35
but also still challenges you to get out there and test your
30:40
skill level and judge your your abilities and your fitness.
30:43
I mean. It's kind of the same as going
30:45
to a ski resort, right? Like, OK, a ski resort, yeah.
30:51
Maybe old, old Bethany Ann, who's been to the slopes for 45
30:58
years. Maybe Beth Bethany Ann probably
31:00
shouldn't hit the double black diamond.
31:02
But guess what? There's also blue squares and
31:05
the Bunny slopes and the green dot.
31:08
She can go do one of those, right?
31:11
But you have to let adults make their own decisions.
31:14
If Bethy Ann's feeling skips Fry and she wants to go try it, she
31:19
can go try it, right? It's not my job to be like, Oh
31:23
well, because this one guy. But you provided the option.
31:28
Yeah, there's. And no option you made was
31:30
terribly easy. Oh, no.
31:32
I mean, I mean, the VFW was theoretically the easy course,
31:35
but man, it was tough. Shooting that course was really
31:37
tough. Yeah, those are my favorite.
31:39
Are the technical ones like that?
31:41
I think VFW may have been the like one of the sleeper courses.
31:44
Obviously the flagship had to be Bo disciples just because it
31:47
went literally all the way from the bottom.
31:50
It challenges you very tough. I was and and every shot was a
31:54
bomb. Like I think the shortest was
31:55
like 60. So that's that's a bastard.
31:58
That's what I think that you could do with their property and
32:02
they're excited for the the possibility of it.
32:06
Well, obviously you would have a big draw, which is like exciting
32:09
because these clubs need support.
32:11
Well, and I think it opens club's eyes to what?
32:14
Possibilities to. The possibilities of what can be
32:17
done with their their properties, you know, maybe they
32:22
can't use every shot that you put together, but it does open
32:26
the idea of, you know, OK, so you can run a course this
32:30
direction and we could still follow that path.
32:33
We just might shorten some of the shots or, you know, things
32:37
like that. Well, and I mean, I think if you
32:39
look at Bow Disciples challenge at Henshaw, which is this great
32:43
working with Bear State bow hunters, they're really good
32:45
partners. And I've shot there for I have a
32:49
first place plaque from 2006 when they weren't even at their
32:52
current place. So I've been going a long time.
32:55
Where were they before that? Escondido yeah.
32:58
So then then they moved, which I think the new place is better,
33:00
but both are fine. My point being, you know prior
33:05
to doing bow disciples challenge one, but especially #2 you know
33:12
for a long time their courses, even the bare ass and the the
33:16
Oak Valley Challenge which motorcycles challenge.
33:19
Replaced. Which was the plan in 2020 as
33:23
well. So it's, it's been the plan for
33:25
a long time. Their courses were, let's be
33:29
honest, they were all kind of the same.
33:30
They were using the same route, same terrain, same lines.
33:34
And then when we came through and flipped everything, I
33:37
noticed that the following year bare ass was a lot more
33:41
creative. Because I think what happens in
33:44
credit to them, right? That's dope.
33:45
I want I want cool stuff. But I think that like you said,
33:49
sometimes you know, you got to show show a path 1st and then
33:54
and then from there it opens the mind.
33:57
Well, and not just in theory and in the mind, but physically you
34:00
go in and do now there wouldn't be as hard because like there's
34:05
no bushes, there's no poison oak and all that fun stuff.
34:10
A lot of rock. But you know you could do some
34:12
clearing. Like if you noticed on the 1st
34:15
course the first day you did the ones like kind of by the the
34:20
blacktop and just after it. He's just, he's being
34:23
ridiculous. Why is he being so?
34:26
Cute. He is just soaking it up right
34:28
now. Brat, you're special.
34:33
But I mean also the river trail part you can get super creative
34:36
which they do now but like I think you could expand it.
34:39
Yeah, but you, I saw there were a couple place, a couple of
34:43
trails, two or three of them that Debbie had went in and just
34:46
shoved with her hand that that shale rock kind of stuff to
34:51
create a path. And that's very easy to do.
34:53
You know, if you're setting those targets and I'm over
34:56
there, there's tools you could use to just kind of shovel that
35:01
shale to create a path. So it is safer while still tough
35:06
for a hike because you don't want to make it, you know,
35:10
unnecessarily dangerous, like you're not out there actually
35:14
hunting, like, you know, you're not going to go clear the.
35:17
The goal is not in danger like our course of last year is
35:21
built. They're built so well.
35:22
If there needs to be steps, there's steps.
35:25
If there needs to be, it's not. I'm not trying to break
35:29
something. So what I'm saying is you
35:31
physically go in and create those trails that now they have
35:36
the template to be able to build off of physically, you know,
35:41
that they can follow those same trails, but which sometimes is,
35:45
you know, it's not annoying. It's just like disappointing
35:51
because you're like, Oh, I really wanted all of this to be
35:54
a complete surprise. And then occasionally it links
35:57
into like a trail you created or something, but you know,
36:01
they're, they're not LinkedIn enough to be like, Oh, this is
36:03
the same trail, but it gives them routes to be able to build
36:08
new stuff off of. And you go in and you do all
36:10
that work for them. So both physically and in the
36:14
mind you, you so you can see and work off of what is now laid out
36:18
in front of you. So I think it's cool because
36:21
then it improves and improves rain or clubs.
36:26
It gives more creativity, which then entices more people to come
36:31
and shoot because like, oh, it's a little different now.
36:33
I'm not shooting the same thing over and over again and whatnot.
36:35
So I think it's something to as you are, you know, start milling
36:40
over more and more. And it's not a far drive from
36:44
here. So like so many of the the San
36:46
Diego shooters and and Southern California shooters can come out
36:50
to it and they just like their state that you, you drop your
36:53
tent or your camper right in there and their their practice
36:57
range. Oh, it's great is insane.
37:00
I mean everything is covered, lit too lit up brand new nice
37:06
targets and their racks to hold them all the way out to what is
37:10
it 70 at least huge practice range.
37:15
You can shoot at night when you get there.
37:18
They do do like night shoots and stuff too.
37:20
They'll do like steel target and stuff at night because they have
37:23
lights and they have a lot of games and stuff to like the
37:26
water jug thing, which they didn't pull up for this one, but
37:29
I think they'll pull out next week for a walk the trails.
37:32
Just a fun and well bit built range and club.
37:39
So I think it would be exciting to work with them on the
37:44
possibility of a another BDC and another state and you have such
37:51
a good relationship with them and they have great targets.
37:53
They have a lot of fun targets, like a kids course there would
37:56
be super fun. I wish we had their targets for
38:00
the kids because you know, I'm always by like, let's give them
38:02
the spider, the dinosaur, the tarantula, the lizard and you
38:07
know, all the the cool stuff. All the adults can have the
38:12
peasant targets, you know, but they do want a what's it called?
38:20
The big the big thing thing Sasquatch.
38:25
But. This.
38:27
Is only my second cup and I've only made it about 1/4 of the
38:31
way through this one. You're.
38:32
Really zipping it, really zipping.
38:34
It's fun. You're like so.
38:36
What else is there? Because I am on a timer, I do
38:38
have to I do have to go to work today.
38:41
That's. Very rare.
38:42
It is, yeah. I got to go find some papers.
38:45
I. Think we could wrap it up.
38:46
I think it was a good podcast, a lot of fun covered the event.
38:49
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