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The Dog Episode - with SQuire and Louise DuArt Rushnell · Mythmakers

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  Hello and welcome to MythMakers. MythMakers is the podcast for fantasy fans and fantasy
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  creatives brought to you by the Oxford Centre for Fantasy and today I am joined by
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  Squire Rushnell and Louise Duarte Rushnell who are friends of our Centre and are
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  just about to have a film that they have been collaborating on with Netflix
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  released in the middle of March and this is a film about a very special dog so
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  in their honour and while we talk about filmmaking we're going to have a general
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  theme about dogs in fiction and dogs in real life so first of all Squire and
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  Louise perhaps you'd like to tell us a little bit about yourself and how you
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  came to make this film. Well that's wonderful Julia so wonderful to be with
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  you. Well the our backgrounds are in the entertainment business all of our
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  lives and I was at ABC for 20 years and 15 of those were in children's
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  television so I did a lot of fantasy work and a lot of dogs that talk you know
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  so it is not unusual for us to be in the door movie making business. What we
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  have done is we have been producing a series of books about Godwinks which
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  are those little coincidences that we say are not coincidence and so what
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  does that got to do with dogs? Well we decided that we would do a book about Godwink
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  stories, all true stories about amazing situations, always with a dog at the
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  centre of the story and that's a dog wink and so when we presented this to
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  Netflix they started crying and we started telling them about more of the
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  true stories that we have in our dog wink book and when we got to Ruby they
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  said let's do that and so that's how that all kind of evolved. I'm going to
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  build the suspense here because you know that's one of the good rules the
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  storytelling if you don't tell everybody up front exactly how great Ruby is
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  you've got to carry on. Yeah so again to reach the wonderful Ruby in a minute
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  but I think just the theme of dogs taught me thinking about how we write about
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  dogs we all know that thanks to the pandemic a lot of people went out and got
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  themselves pets didn't they and if they didn't have a dog before many more
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  people do now I'm a dog owner I've got two if you got dogs we had dogs we
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  don't have a dog at the moment but then you have the experience of what the
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  thing about a dog unlike a cat which is always feels as though you're it's
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  servant a dog is definitely you know all the cliches about a man's best friend
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  or woman's best friend are true about them they are characters in the house
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  and very much part of a family as much as a dog can be so when you turn to
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  looking at dogs in fiction I think some of those qualities carry across don't
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  don't they so when you were growing up what were the main sort of fictional
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  products about dogs that you were watching or reading or how they appeared in
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  your story so far well when Squire was at ABC he did develop a show called
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  Scooby-Doo which was one of those wonderful fantasy dogs and Scooby-Doo
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  come on everybody that was worth tuning in for just to hear that sniffing I
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  did not know that you mentioned Scooby-Doo when we were chatting before but I
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  now need to take my hat off to you because it's definitely probably my favorite
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  cartoon dog right there so tell us more about Scooby well I think that along
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  the line of where you were going that that in fantasy dogs that come alive when
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  you you start thinking about well what would a certain dog sound like what
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  would dog say what would a dog think about and so on and so forth and so in our
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  jobs in building fantasy cartoon characters you know a dog like Scooby is it's
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  it's building the character and so every wonderful story has rich
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  characters you you kind of know what those characters are all about right from
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  the beginning and hopefully you fall in love with them and so Scooby is just an
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  oversized dog who's afraid of his own shadow and he happens to be working with
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  a group of kids who happen to be on ghost hunts all the time so Scooby there's
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  always afraid and I can remember one day when I was visiting a friend of mine
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  Dr. Joe Barbera who Hannah Barbera were the cartoon makers who who created
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  Scooby and and I said Joe I think we ought to have a new character to Scooby do
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  and so we were paddling around his pool and Palm Springs in big yogi bear kind
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  of inner tubes paddling along and there were all of these big shrubs around us and
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  we could just imagine that the little old ladies next door on either side were
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  listening into this conversation of two grown men as we were talking about
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  creating a new character and I said you know the character I always loved was the
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  Tasmanian devil and so he was very small but he was afraid of nothing and so
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  Joe because that would be the offset to Scooby so Joe says yeah I've been
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  thinking about that we'll have a nephew by the name of scrappy scrappy do yeah
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  yeah yeah and so here we are having this conversation well what would he how
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  would he reactable well Scooby would be in a place where he's frightened and
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  he's jumped up into the chandelier and the chandelier is moving in at shaking and
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  incomes little scrappy do hello Uncle Scoob good idea you be up there so you can
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  jump on the bad guy so Scooby always saw his uncle as a hero and never saw any
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  faults whatsoever and so that is how the evolution of those little dogs came
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  about I think one of the lovely things about Scooby Scooby do senior is the way I
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  think he gives a child the child probably emotes or he relates most to him and
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  Shaggy they're like fragments of part of what it's like to be a child so you
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  can be scared as Scooby and I suppose maybe what scrappy do is it presents a
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  possibility of the brave self doesn't it yeah psychology psychologist out there
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  who's done it you know that the kids and scrappy and Scooby are probably the
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  entire human psyche right there probably I should think so yeah I'm sure that's
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  or it's a thesis somewhere so working in cartoon obviously you don't have
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  the the problem of working with real animals because you can draw whatever you
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  like he can be eating a huge sandwich or swinging from the chandelier no no
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  problem at all but of course some of the fiction about dogs that I remember
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  most are ones which involved real dogs in films and two that came to mind
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  my thinking about that is of course we have to mention Lassie yeah little Jimmy's
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  down the well I mean sassy warnings in the 70s seems to be Lassie time in my
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  memory yeah and then more recently they're sort of stand out train dog
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  appearing in a film I remember is the very interesting film called the artist
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  about the golden age of cinema in the black and white and I think that was
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  called Aggie and was almost not an Oscar for it I think so can you when you
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  think back to watching television or films is there any other dogs that you can
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  remember that sort of influence your relationship to how dogs up a trade on
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  film where we always love Rin Tin Tin and of course all yellow all yellow was one
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  of my favorites of course you know my we didn't like the ending and it's
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  it's interesting because I have two sons that just love their dogs one of my
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  youngest son actually has five dogs that he got from a shelter and he and his
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  wife whenever they're looking at a dog movie they go online and make sure I
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  think it's called did the dog die or and if the dog dies they don't let go
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  bang they were wounded by old yellow they were wounded yeah but so and we
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  don't like that either and and we'll talk about Ruby in a minute but there
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  there was a point at the beginning of the film where it did not look promising
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  they're Ruby yeah and so a lot of people say just please please tell me to
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  does Ruby live yeah you need to get your listing on does the dog die correct or
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  I feel it's a dog away yeah right yeah before we come to Ruby I told you I was
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  building the suspense because she's such a wonderful story about her and there's
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  a couple other honorable mentions that we need to happen now I think which I
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  think gives Snoopy yeah yeah yeah and I think is an interesting one in that
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  Snoopy isn't the sort of loveable family dog Snoopy is the ironic
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  commentator yeah quite a cat-like presence I think in Snoopy yeah yeah but
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  Snoopy you notice doesn't live in the house he has to stay outside in the dog
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  house but but you always think that Charles shows the cartoonist that that
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  Snoopy was a lot of his personality Charlie Brown obviously was a big part of
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  his personality but Snoopy was was the wise voice very often and and it's isn't
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  wonderful how we how we can take these animals and give them a wisdom that
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  maybe we don't have and and give them an ability to observe things that we
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  just don't think about now I think I remember you always talking about dogs when
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  you and when you'd see them and you'd start because you always did voices for
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  a living she did voices for cartoon characters and other characters and as an
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  impressionist Oliver adult life so you would look at a dog and and start to
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  wonder what would he would sound like yeah it depends yeah that every dog has
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  their own personality and every animal actually has their own personality we
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  would look at that you know there's a fascinating story and how animals can
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  actually save someone's like fantasy animals like bugs bunny oh but this is the
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  most fascinating story about bugs well can I tell you that story about
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  bugs bunny yeah he's not specifically a dog but we'll allow bugs bunny to son
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  of yeah yeah bugs bugs bunny is we're talking about the classics here now
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  bugs bunny was the voice creation was was created the voice of bugs bunny was
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  created by Mel blank and he did all of the Warner Brothers voice characters
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  from forky pig to what suffer in the dog he did deputy dog to suffer in
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  suck attack well you've got to do the boys
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  all right thank you very much and so and so bugs bunny was probably the most
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  famous character that that Mel blank ever did Mel blank was in a terrible
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  terrible accident automobile accident every bone in his body with the
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  exception of I think one arm or something like that was broken and he was in a
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  in in this mummified kind of condition in a coma and the doctors were
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  worried that if he didn't come out of this coma his we would have brain
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  damage weeks had gone by and the doctors would would just plead with the
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  family to just stay there and keep talking to to Mel blank one day the doctor
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  came in and he was obviously worried weeks had gone by and he came into the
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  room making his morning rounds and at the moment that he was about to take a
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  look at Mel blank this stayed and rather a serious doctor notice that on the
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  screen bugs bunny had just appeared on the TV in the room and so he's hearing
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  beep beep beep all those cartoon noises and and so the doctor a little bit
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  out of character says well good morning bugs how are you today and for the
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  first time Mel blank spoke as bugs bunny and what's up doc you know and so
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  wrecking a journey because he comes out of a coma that's yeah and and so it was
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  later explained to me by neurologist that that different parts of the brain
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  respond to different cues and Mel blank was always you know listening to
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  cues from the director okay what about you bugs what about you porky what about
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  you suffering or fight or any one of those and so that at that moment the
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  doctor was like the director and even though even though Mel blank could not
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  speak bugs bunny was in a part of the brain was in a little piece of his brain
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  that did work and so the doctor then said well how are you porky are you in
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  there and so porky pig started to talk and and that is how bugs bunny this
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  fantasy character helped save Mel blank's life and bring him out of that
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  coma it went on for the other 30 years of doing cartoon voices oh well I
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  definitely that's a film in there as well as choir just you know if you're
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  looking for a film another film project alright so I that's talking you know
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  with voices and and Louise you know hats off to you now for doing all those
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  different voices because that is a skill I definitely don't have I wish I did
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  have but I've also thought there is quite a number of dogs who are very
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  expressive but don't speak and the two that came to mind because we're in
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  Europe over here is snowy from tintin who is obviously as intelligent as
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  tintin they're they're the Sherlock and Watson of you know Belgium and also
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  Wallace and grommet now that they're the arden animation variations I think
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  you've probably seen some of those films but if you look at grommet it's just
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  his eyebrows or the sort of even eyebrows it's just his eyes animate and that's
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  is that's he doesn't need to say anything because he has such a range of very
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  subtle commentary upon for all grommet so we definitely use dogs as a kind of
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  reflection back on us don't we and a commentator on our society and what we're
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  doing with it and got a mention Pluto messages and people saying you've
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  forgot Pluto I haven't forgot oh yeah flew to lady in the tram we love lady in
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  the tram too yes we do oh yeah yeah that's a classic but the I think everyone
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  thinks first of the the scene where they're falling in love with yeah we could
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  forget classic yeah I think I prefer lady in the tram to Pluto somehow I think
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  that they've got more Pluto I think because he's for me he's lost within the
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  ensemble you know Mickey Mouse everybody yeah no lady in the tram is
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  definitely a very fondly remembered from my childhood so okay I'm now going to
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  introduce a real hero we've been talking about fictional dogs so let's have a
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  real hero and tell us about Ruby so you mentioned at the beginning that you came
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  across her story and in a whole series of books about sort of the dog wing
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  idea of these wonderful wonderful coincidences that happen yeah well you you
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  came up with the idea well what happened was we were we do the godwink series of
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  books so there's 12 books in the series and and one day I just had this thought
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  that it was just such a strong feeling I said to score I think we should do a
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  book about dogs and he said what what are we gonna do with the dog we did the
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  godwink books and then square I so what if we did a book called dogwinks and we
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  do godwinks but you know these supernatural occurrences that happen only with
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  dogs in the center of the story so we that okay that's that's good but where
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  are we gonna get these dog stories in the very next day on my Facebook here
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  potwinkers and what pops up but a woman writes hey did you guys see this
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  incredible story about a canine officer in Providence wrote island and the
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  shelter dog name Ruby and it's in the Providence journal you should read it
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  so we read it in squares and oh my gosh that's not only the first story for the
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  book but that's a movie and so he went on then to call the principles of the
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  story one thing led to another and then the NBC today show square was talking
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  about it there and then that's how the whole Netflix thing evolved and next
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  thing you know March 17th we have a movie called rescue by Ruby but it's every
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  markable it really is a supernatural story and you know as there are 20
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  stories in the book dogwinks but as we were writing them I was feeling that we
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  needed to have the dog's voice because here we are telling the story about
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  people but what about the dog I mean the dog is the center of the story but
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  we're not hearing the dog's voice and so as we went through each one of those
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  20 stories we put in thought like thought balloons in the book thoughts of the
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  dog what they might be thinking at that particular moment what their point of
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  view was at that particular moment so that we were representing them even though
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  they were laying under the table at the time they certainly had an
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  observation and they could see things that helped move the story along and and so
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  I think that that was part of the evolution of Ruby in terms of the joy of
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  seeing that character evolve Ruby is a just in a nutshell it is a story about a
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  Rhode Island state police officer who grew up with ADHD you know he was he
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  had deficit disorders and hyper activity and so forth and so he always had to
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  work harder in school he had to try harder to be in sports in that police
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  academy he had to work 10 times harder than anybody else and so he always
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  thought in the back of his mind that if he could if he could be like a dog they
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  have a supernatural power of being able to smell and being able to they had
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  an ability to to pick up sense that was a kind of a superhero power and he
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  thought that if he could be associated with a dog that that would take
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  care of his deficits and his deficiencies and so that's why he always wanted to
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  be in the in the canine core but because he was ADD he he just couldn't get
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  through and the meantime he finally was about to get the chance to be in the
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  canine core and the budget was cut because they buy these dogs from the Ukraine
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  that cost 10 or 15 thousand dollars that are bred for police work and so he is
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  then through incredible godwinks dogwinks he is connected in real life with a
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  rescue dog who is also ADD and that's the dog name Ruby Ruby has been rejected by
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  five families about to be euthanized because nipping was on the on the record
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  just just before they had to make that decision with the help of the lawyers of
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  course and so when officer Dan is paired with Ruby at the last minute and that
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  is the the nucleus of their relationship it is a long path of six months trying
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  to train Ruby but Ruby rises to the occasion eventually and becomes the
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  number one dog in the canine unit and then I'm not going to tell you the end of
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  the movie because there is an amazing godwink at the end that will just blow
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  everybody's mind and it's a hundred percent true this movie really captures
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  the true story everything about it is true except for one character and we'll
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  let you guess who that is to when you see it on Netflix now I happen to have had
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  a little bit of what the twist might be and I just want to say to the people out
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  there that it is one of those twists which if you're on writer script writer
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  you would think up for fiction yeah and you know that thing about fact is
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  stranger than fiction that is definitely the true here so yeah definitely watch
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  that and find out can I just ask not not because I have a dog who doesn't
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  always come back when called would I also pick up training tips whilst
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  watching this oh yeah oh absolutely yeah as a matter of fact our writer in the
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  beginning had too much training in it way too much training and so we kept
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  saying parrot back parrot back we don't want to go to school you know I mean
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  this is not a college degree and how to train your dog but it is now the perfect
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  balance of training and people will learn a lot of things about training
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  their dogs by watching rescued by Ruby starting March 17th on Netflix I've got
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  that in the calendar I've watched that I've put a link to the trailer in the
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  show notes as well so people can can watch it so that's a true story which is
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  phenomenal in itself but there's another layer of story here isn't there yeah
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  is about working with real animals I was actually at this weekend just reading
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  it and I think it was in the Times newspaper over here that because there's a
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  lot of content being made over in the UK at the moment people who supply
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  animals for television and film are completely inundated requests for dogs and
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  owls and I know cats any anything that appears in your favorite show and quite
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  often that is a dog so huge demand for star dogs and stunt dogs and so on how
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  did you find your Ruby because the Ruby in the film isn't the real Ruby
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  presumably because real Ruby is either up you know in the farmup state or no
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  Ruby's still working and Ruby is Australian Shepherd border collie mix which
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  both of them are very very smart both of them are highly active and but that's
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  that's one of the secrets as to Ruby's finding her purpose in life but but
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  Ruby you know as with any Hollywood film usually when they portray a real
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  character the actor actress is a lot more shall we say a little prettier maybe yes
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  yes yes so so the the dog that plays Ruby is beautiful and the dog really looks
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  like Lassie but here's here's the story it was so parallel this dog named bear
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  was found on the streets in Oklahoma very much like Ruby they brought it to a
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  shelter and the days look like they were numbered for bear and our trainers who
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  we had asked them we said could you possibly get a shelter dog to play a shelter
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  dog and they said well that's not gonna be easy but you know we'll look and they
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  found this dog bear at a shelter with basically the same kind of ending that
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  Ruby would have had if Ruby wasn't saved and that's a whole another thing that
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  we won't talk about because that's part of the surprise at the end but what
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  happened was they took a bear and then as they were leaving with bear the
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  shelter said you have to take Shiloh this is bear's best friend they've been
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  together in the shelter and they'll just be heartbroken if you don't take
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  Shiloh too so they did now Shiloh is the stand-in basically for bear so when
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  the movie so they did a whole makeover on Shiloh to look just like Ruby which
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  is bear and Shiloh does a lot of the jumping and the leaping and the
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  running and so it's just in its amazing story how this dog was saved just like
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  Ruby was yeah it's just it's just getting better and better and I never knew
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  this well bear is a male name bear is a male dog who plays Ruby which is a
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  girl dog and I never knew that lassie was played by a male dog oh no it's all my
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  illusion but shattered always all the lassies because they were more than
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  there's more than one all the lassies were played by male dogs yeah yeah amazing yeah so anyway we
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  just we we had so much fun making this film and everyone loved these dogs so much I
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  would I want to be that dog I want to be Ruby I really because Ruby gets treated
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  great so is bear still working as a a film dog now as it is this big on a career
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  or is bear now living with the trainer having living with the trainer yeah I'm sure
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  I'm sure bear will have more screen appearances I think they get really an
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  amazing yeah I think I think bear almost had to live with the trainers because
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  the trainers had to teach bear to be very naughty had to tear up couches you
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  know and oh no sorts of things and dig holes and lawns and everything so so I can't
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  imagine you wonder if that is psychologically damaging to bear you know we saw
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  the the movie that is out now called dog yes which we're not raving about
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  because we're happy happy dog happy movie people you know and that that's a bit
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  on the dark side for us but it's a war dog and you think about dogs that are
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  used for for police work and war I mean they're doing their job but they they
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  become psychologically you know damaged because of their work I wonder yeah but I
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  think they they know how to undo it all I think the trainers do yeah because we
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  would they would be so funny because we would see some of the scenes and you
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  don't hear the trainers but they'd say dig it dig it dig it dig it dig it dig it
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  you know and you know the dog is digging up a wall you see the dog digging up
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  them all good good dog dig it dig it dig it so I wouldn't think that would be
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  how do you undo that I don't know this this is the next film isn't it and that's
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  where all the dog that's why all dog owners will be tuning in and how to undo bad
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  habits I would have thought that they probably work really hard on cues which
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  don't you know don't exist in ordinary life or else the trainer would be
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  professionally living in a house that is you know wrecked so it can't be
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  acceptable so rescued by Ruby's a most fantastic story and and I'm sure
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  I'll really enjoy meeting this incredible dog and I'm actually even more
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  impressed to find that Ruby could not be pulled away from her day job to become
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  a film star I think that has added an extra layer for me and pleasure thinking
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  that she's out there working as we speak and we always have is a tradition on
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  these podcasts to pick where in all the fantasy worlds is the best place to be
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  something or you know where's the best river where's the best in that kind of
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  thing and in your honor in the honor of Ruby and Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo we
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  will have to choose where is the best place to be a dog now just to give you
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  the sort of life of the land you can choose any sort of fantasy world it can be
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  the worlds of myths and legends so you know it could be Cerberus at the gates of
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  hey you know Hades or one of the you know one of those mythic dogs or it could
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  be McCartoon it really doesn't matter the choice is yours what are you going to
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  choose well you know I would want to be one of Queen Elizabeth's dogs one of the
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  Gorkies I would love that to live in the palace and to go and she's she's always
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  taken the dogs for walkie you know I'd love to I'd love to know that's real life
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  so you have to you have to choose a fictional version of that there's 20
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  fictional versions of the Queen you can choose so in the crown it's a fantasy well
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  I think after watching Ruby and the the the big attraction for Ruby was raw
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  hot dogs so I would say the best place is in a hot dog factory I don't think there's
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  any question about that that's where Ruby would want to be very not good for her
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  her health they we have a lot of people who listen to this who are Tolkien
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  fans and I should just do an honorable mention to one of Tolkien has two
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  talking dogs that I could remember one is a dog called Juan or H-U-A-N who appears
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  in the Silmarillion and he plays a wonderful part in the story of Baron and
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  Lothian which is one of the central love stories Tolkien made up but he does
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  have a heroic but tragic end so I wouldn't recommend being a dog in in the
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  first stage of Tolkien's Middle-earth and then his other dog is one in his
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  story called The Farmer Giles of Ham where it's a farmer's dog and that
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  story involves the arrival of a dragon into the area it's like a comic
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  story of a medieval setting so that dog gets quite a good deal as well but
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  actually you know what I think the best place to be a dog is them is right
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  under our noses it's Scooby-Doo you get your hot dogs squire and Scooby-Sex
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  and you get to ride around with your friends in a mystery machine oh that's
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  round yeah so to be honest
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  like you know and and Ruby Ruby didn't have to have much didn't have to learn
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  much language you know I mean what else did you have to know about Scooby
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  anybody can talk like Scooby so I think that that is the best fantasy world the
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  world of Scooby thank you so much for joining us to talk about dogs in fantasy
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  and in real life I think you know it's even more exciting when you find something
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  that feels like fantasy but actually turns out to be true and we wish you all
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  the best with your film when it comes out in March the 17th thank you very much
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  thank you so much
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