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Patriots Draft Countdown: Day 2 Combine Recap, Interviews with EVP Eliot Wolf and ESPN's Mike Reiss · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: This is Patriots Draft Countdown presented by bud Light.
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  Speaker 1: By the writers of Patriots dot Com. From now until
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  Speaker 3: Welcome everybody who are coming to you from day two
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  Speaker 3: of the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is Patriots
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  Speaker 3: Easy to Enjoy, the official beer sponsor of the New
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  Speaker 3: England Patriots. And a lot going on today, Evan. We
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  Speaker 3: heard from Elliott Wolfe. We heard from the defensive front seven,
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  Speaker 3: a really stacked position group here in this draft class,
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  Speaker 3: which I was excited about. Things got a little delayed
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  Speaker 3: at times, but otherwise it was pretty smooth sailing. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of appealing prospects to take a look at today.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you just said it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I've been coming to the combine a little
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  Speaker 4: bit now because I'm getting old dudes too, and I
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  Speaker 4: haven't seen a delay like that often. And I was
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  Speaker 4: thinking to myself, what's going on? And we both were thinking,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, right, there's like one hundred
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  Speaker 4: defensive linemani here and so they were trying to crank
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  Speaker 4: them all through. I think it's forty two is the
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  Speaker 4: exact number. And you know, Elliot Wolf, we're going to
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  Speaker 4: get to him in a second. That was right off
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  Speaker 4: the bat. You know, one of the things that he
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  Speaker 4: said is a strength of this class is the defensive
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  Speaker 4: line in the front seven talent. So whether the Patriots
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  Speaker 4: addressed early with an Abdul Carter or something like that,
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  Speaker 4: or it's later on in the draft, there starter caliber
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  Speaker 4: talent at all. Three days of the draft on the
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  Speaker 4: defensive front.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty exciting. Well, let's not waste any time. Let's get
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  Speaker 3: right into Elliot Wolf. He spoke first at the podium
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  Speaker 3: and then he came and join us for a brief interview.
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  Speaker 3: So we're gonna roll that right now. There'll be plenty
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  Speaker 3: to talk about right after all. Right, we're excited to
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  Speaker 3: be joined by Elliot Wolf. Now, Elliott, thanks for sitting
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  Speaker 3: down with us again, second year in a row.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it. So you just set up with
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  Speaker 2: the podium. This is your thirty first combine.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just curious, what is a fourteen year old Elliott
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  Speaker 3: Wolf doing at the combine?
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to Elmo's? Are you timing guys? Forties? Like,
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  Speaker 2: what was that experience like for you as a kid. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it was really cool.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, obviously having the advantage of my
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  Speaker 5: father working in the business like I was. I was
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  Speaker 5: the spoiled brat that was running around here kind of
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  Speaker 5: doing whatever I wanted. I would be with him, going
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  Speaker 5: to workouts time in forties. As I got a little
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  Speaker 5: bit older, I was a sandwich guy. I would go
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  Speaker 5: and get everyone sandwiches before they sold food in the dome.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, I kind of started at the bottom
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  Speaker 5: in that regard. But you know, I recorded the broad
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  Speaker 5: Jumps for a number of years. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 5: one year they lost the official recording and I was
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  Speaker 5: the only person over there recording the broad Jumps. So
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  Speaker 5: I actually actually used my records to get out to
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  Speaker 5: all the other the other teams.
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  Speaker 2: So Clarious it's been good. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, here we are thirty one years later, right, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just generally, how how are things been going? You know,
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  Speaker 3: raybel coming in and you you know, kind of merging
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  Speaker 3: all that together, the processes and you know, new regime
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  Speaker 3: in place.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been good.
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  Speaker 5: So, you know, I didn't I knew Mike a little
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  Speaker 5: bit beforehand, you know, bumping into Prote's he was always
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  Speaker 5: the guy at the prode. He had the big chest
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  Speaker 5: protector on, like beating onlineman trying to see how hard
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  Speaker 5: they hit. So I you know, I kind of knew him,
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  Speaker 5: but I had never had like a meaningful conversation with
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  Speaker 5: him until, you know, until the interview process, and it's
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  Speaker 5: it's been really good. Like he's so genuine and authentic.
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  Speaker 5: He has a vision for the team, none of it's
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  Speaker 5: fluff or bs, Like I'm really encouraged and excited to
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  Speaker 5: be working with them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that Evan Grillian because we're already talking about you.
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  Speaker 3: Just want to talk prospects with you. Yeah, I'll start
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  Speaker 3: with free agency, then we'll get a little bit into
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  Speaker 3: the draft.
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  Speaker 5: Though.
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  Speaker 4: Just with free agency, you often hear that you fill
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  Speaker 4: needs in free agency and you go best player available
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  Speaker 4: in the draft is like the old cliche.
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  Speaker 2: Do you adhere to that cliche or whatever you want
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  Speaker 2: to call it? Yeah, I don't know if it's a cliche.
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  Speaker 5: I mean I think I think it gives you the
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  Speaker 5: most flexibility, you know, the free agency class obviously has
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  Speaker 5: strengths and weaknesses, as does the draft. But you know,
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  Speaker 5: the more holes you can fill in free agency and
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  Speaker 5: the more depth you can add to the roster, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it gives you a little bit more flexibility.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at number four. You mentioned up at
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  Speaker 4: the podium earlier that not as much clarity. We've kicked
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  Speaker 4: this around that last year. We kind of thought quarterback
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  Speaker 4: right now is a little bit more ambiguity there. What
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  Speaker 4: do you see with the number four overall pick in
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  Speaker 4: this draft at the top in terms of talent?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think we'll see again. I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure what's going to happen in front of us, you know,
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  Speaker 5: not sure what way we'll lean again. You know, we
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  Speaker 5: have the whole free agency period, trade all these other
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  Speaker 5: you know, avenues to acquire talent.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: How much is it about patients, because I feel like
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  Speaker 3: we look at all these big name free agents that
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  Speaker 3: are available, and you say, but then you could maybe
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  Speaker 3: go to the draft and get an edge there, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, how much do you you kind of get
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  Speaker 3: a plan? But I think, as you said on the podium,
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  Speaker 3: you have to be ready to kind of adjust and
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  Speaker 3: attack a two different courts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely all about adjusting.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we may have someone right after
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  Speaker 5: I you know, I get off the podcast here that
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  Speaker 5: that you know from another team that says, hey, this
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  Speaker 5: guy's available now, and you just it's it's about being
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  Speaker 5: prepared and open and ready to explore everything to improve
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  Speaker 5: the roster.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously, you want to improve the roster everywhere, but there
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  Speaker 4: are there a few positions in particular that you look
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  Speaker 4: at that say we really need to address these.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think the Lions are the ones
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  Speaker 5: that stand out offensive line, defensive line. And again, as
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  Speaker 5: I as I said at the podium, it's you know,
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  Speaker 5: everyone talks about the Super Bowl, you know, but Philadelphia's
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  Speaker 5: had a really good offensive and defensive line for a
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  Speaker 5: number of years. Kansas City has two that you know,
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  Speaker 5: they just weren't able to get it done in the end.
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  Speaker 5: But again, it's all about the offensive and defensive line,
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  Speaker 5: and it has been for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Along those lines, we heard from the defense line today.
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  Speaker 3: The linebacker's really good class.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like.
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  Speaker 3: From your perspective, how do you delineate I mean, you
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  Speaker 3: have big space eaters inside you've got penetrators. You've got
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  Speaker 3: you know, guys who really stout against the run on
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  Speaker 3: the edge, but maybe not pass rush. Yet you got
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  Speaker 3: guys that are pure pass rush. There's just so many
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  Speaker 3: different flavors of guys in the front. I'm sure that
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  Speaker 3: the coaching staff has maybe a style that they're looking
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  Speaker 3: for as well, But how do you separate all that out?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think the one thing that coach
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  Speaker 5: talks about a lot, and he's you know, he's kind
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  Speaker 5: of drilled into the scouts so far as his play demeanor,
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  Speaker 5: like who's going hard, who's given effort, who's running the ball,
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  Speaker 5: who's playing physical, who's willing to put their face on somebody,
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  Speaker 5: use their hands, counter all those things. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that's just something that that maybe separates whatever style they are,
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  Speaker 5: that separates them and makes them more attractive to us.
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  Speaker 3: It's about the player, not the scheme. I mean that
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  Speaker 3: that seems we talked to Mike yesterday. She seemed like,
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  Speaker 3: let's find the guys them will kind of adjust to what.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, ultimately, I mean there's you know, there's probably a
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  Speaker 5: handful of players that wouldn't fit what the vision for
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  Speaker 5: the defense wants. To be. But you know, within that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's it's about the players, and I feel
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  Speaker 5: confident in Mike, you know, not that I've worked with
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  Speaker 5: them for a long time, but seeing what he did
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  Speaker 5: in Tennessee and Treill Williams with the d line, like
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  Speaker 5: a lot of those guys would improve, you know, just
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  Speaker 5: as a scout watching those guys, so we're confident that
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  Speaker 5: they'll be able to make whoever we bring in work.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at the market and start talking about
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  Speaker 4: wide receivers and that coverage dictating number one guy, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what do you see available out there? Do you feel
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  Speaker 4: like you guys can address that and maybe bring one
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  Speaker 4: of those types of players in here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think I think it's about getting
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  Speaker 5: good players. Like I don't know that you know how
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  Speaker 5: many players are going to be available that fit the
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  Speaker 5: bill that you're talking about. But again, you know there's
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  Speaker 5: plenty of areas to improve, and that would be one
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  Speaker 5: of them.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned some of the depth that I think the
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  Speaker 3: offensive line and a wide receiver positions kind of in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the draft. Is it hard to count
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  Speaker 3: on those guys? Are those when you're getting to that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, late Day two early day three? Are you
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  Speaker 3: just trying to get guys you like their traits? But
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  Speaker 3: is it hard to count on those guys to really
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  Speaker 3: come in and make an instant impact.
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I think it can be tough to
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  Speaker 2: count on those guys from day one.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Again, it's about you know, the draft isn't judge in
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  Speaker 5: one year, but you know, to say that we're not
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  Speaker 5: gonna fill this need because we'll just pick a guy
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  Speaker 5: in the fifth round, Like, I don't think that's very realistic.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So what's Elliottoll's official stance on arm length?
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  Speaker 5: My official stance on arm length is it's a tool,
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  Speaker 5: just like any tool that we use to you know, again,
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  Speaker 5: it all comes back to the film. So and I
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  Speaker 5: know you know Mike said this, but but Coach Belichick
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  Speaker 5: was big on this too. It's like there's plenty of
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  Speaker 5: guys that have long arms, but they play like this
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  Speaker 5: and the guys that can maximize their length. And to me,
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  Speaker 5: when you're writing a scouting report, it's more advantageous, like
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  Speaker 5: you can write to the guys good length, but the extension,
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  Speaker 5: the punch that he plays with is more important than
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  Speaker 5: the actual number.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense and just with Travis Hunter. I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to ask you about him specifically because I find
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  Speaker 4: it so fascinating that it is it almost like evaluating
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  Speaker 4: two separate players because he can play two different positions.
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  Speaker 2: Like, how do you kind of scout him? It is?
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  Speaker 5: You know, not to give anything away, but Matt grow
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  Speaker 5: actually wrote two separate YEA scouting reports on it when
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  Speaker 5: he went to Colorado this year. He has one wide
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  Speaker 5: receiver report and one corner report. Now he's the only
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  Speaker 5: one that did that. Everyone else kind of tried to
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  Speaker 5: jam everything into the the space that we had. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's tough when you're when you're talking about
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  Speaker 5: a player that does so many different things to try
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  Speaker 5: to fit in.
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  Speaker 3: There, try to match it up, like how would Travis
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  Speaker 3: Hunter the receiver do against Travis Hunter?
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  Speaker 2: Exact exactly exactly. Well, if I don't want to cut it,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got any.
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  Speaker 4: More in there, that's all right, and I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: We love we love this stuff, We love the combine,
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  Speaker 3: we love seeing all these players. So thanks for sitting
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  Speaker 3: down and providing some insight.
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  Speaker 2: With all right, no proble appreciate it. Thanks, thanks all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So great stuff from Elliott our second year in row.
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  Speaker 3: We got to chat with him. Forty one years of
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  Speaker 3: the combine. That's pretty pretty crazy. This is my fifth
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  Speaker 3: year thirty one. Sorry thirty one. I mean to get
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  Speaker 3: too much, but this is my fifth and it's it's
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  Speaker 3: already feeling like a lot. But Evan, what what stood
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  Speaker 3: out to you most? I mean some great nuggets in
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  Speaker 3: there from Elliott. Yeah, there were great nuggets.
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  Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing he said that the trenches
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  Speaker 4: on both sides of the ball when we asked him
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  Speaker 4: about off season needs. And I always think that's interesting,
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  Speaker 4: Like we talk a lot about off season needs, but
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  Speaker 4: is that really how they talk? You know? So that's
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  Speaker 4: why I threw that question at him, and he said
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  Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage. And he was quick to say,
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  Speaker 4: it's not just the super Bowl like this has been
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  Speaker 4: a this is football, right, that's where it's won and lost.
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  Speaker 4: And we'll get to some of the problem specs today
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  Speaker 4: that talked at the podium on the defensive line. But
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  Speaker 4: that's a big part of this offseason for both head
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  Speaker 4: coach Mike Rabel and Elliott Wolf is we need to
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  Speaker 4: nail the trenches and it's a great place to start.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's where it starts sore football games are one, folks.
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  Speaker 3: That's what that at least that's what they tell me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just to point out though, you know, when Elliott did
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  Speaker 3: go up to the podium, which you can watch that
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  Speaker 3: full podium session as well on Patriots dot Com. You know,
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  Speaker 3: really just accepting responsibility. Not good enough last year, four
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  Speaker 3: wins didn't get enough out of the draft class. I
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  Speaker 3: thought some interesting things about Jalen Polk felt like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe they put too much on him. You know, again,
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  Speaker 3: a guy that I just even we're kind of conflicted
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  Speaker 3: on him, I feel like, because I really liked him
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  Speaker 3: when I first started, and then I think when they
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  Speaker 3: took him where they took him, I was a little
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  Speaker 3: bit like, I don't know about that, but even saying
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  Speaker 3: that he felt like Leyden Robinson maybe played a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more than they thought he would have to.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, interesting nugget there as well.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think that they've abandoned all hope on
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  Speaker 3: that draft class, and I certainly haven't either. As I've
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  Speaker 3: said on Patriots Unfiltered, they could just get one of
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  Speaker 3: those guys between Kayden Wallace, Leyden Robinson or you know,
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  Speaker 3: even some of the guys from the earlier year city,
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  Speaker 3: so they could just get contribution to have them locked
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  Speaker 3: down one spot. I think they'd be in a pretty
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  Speaker 3: good spot then to go and you know, hopefully in
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  Speaker 3: free agency in the draft, add even more talent to
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  Speaker 3: that offensive line. Right.
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  Speaker 4: I think one of the answers that he gave was
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  Speaker 4: about how they didn't do enough in free agency and
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  Speaker 4: then the draft. And I think that's a way to
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  Speaker 4: put it, because a free agency to me is your
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  Speaker 4: floor of your roster, Like how do you get enough
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  Speaker 4: players in here that are NFL starting caliber type of
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  Speaker 4: players so that when you get to the draft, you're
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  Speaker 4: just drafting best player available and stacking real talent at
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  Speaker 4: the top of the board, especially like where the Patriots are.
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  Speaker 4: So when you look at the Patriots last season, it
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  Speaker 4: felt like in the offseason they left the door open
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  Speaker 4: that the draft is going to kind of have to
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  Speaker 4: come in and rescue the day. Right, Like it was
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  Speaker 4: gonna the quarter spot to be the quarterback was gonna
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  Speaker 4: have to hit, they were gonna have to hit on
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  Speaker 4: a top flight wide receiver, They're gonna have to hit
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  Speaker 4: on a left tackle. Because all these things kind of
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  Speaker 4: slipped through the cracks for them in free agencies. So
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  Speaker 4: looking at it this time around, my expectation is to
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  Speaker 4: follow more of that Commander's model of let's go out
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  Speaker 4: and get like eight to ten guys that we know
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  Speaker 4: can play in this league at this level. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: maybe the tackle we sign isn't going to be the
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  Speaker 4: next Joe Thomas and he's not going to be a
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  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, But we'll go in the draft and
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  Speaker 4: we'll draft for upside, and we'll draft for talent, and
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  Speaker 4: hopefully we can develop a long term solution at some
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  Speaker 4: of these positions.
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  Speaker 2: In the draft.
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  Speaker 3: The other thing I got to bring up, great question
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  Speaker 3: from you just about Travis Hunter, and yeah, nice little
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  Speaker 3: nugget there from Elliott about them, you know, writing up
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  Speaker 3: two separate scouting reports from Travis Hunter. That's a really
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  Speaker 3: cool way to kind of go about it. And I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it just illustrates what a special player he is. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure if he were to fall the four, it seems
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  Speaker 3: to me like that that will be pretty much a
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  Speaker 3: no brainer.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean Andrew Berry the Browns GM yesterday, I
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  Speaker 4: said that he used him as a wide receiver. The
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  Speaker 4: Titans general manager said a corner Elliott said that he
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  Speaker 4: can play both ways. He thinks in the NFL, there's
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  Speaker 4: a scenario there. So there's all different answers across the
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  Speaker 4: board of where he best fits. And I love that nugget,
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  Speaker 4: and I think that's fascinating that you basically have to
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  Speaker 4: treat him as two separate players and look at it
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  Speaker 4: that direction.
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  Speaker 2: And it's gonna be so interesting to me.
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  Speaker 4: When we talked to Travis Hunter later this week, what's
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  Speaker 4: his message like, is he locked down to one position
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  Speaker 4: or at least majoring in one position already, He's gonna
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  Speaker 4: work out what the corner is the defensive back. So
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  Speaker 4: maybe that's a little bit of a tea leave of
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  Speaker 4: where this is headed. But I do think there are
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  Speaker 4: people that believe that he can be a better wide receiver,
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  Speaker 4: at least be a good enough wide receiver that it's
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  Speaker 4: worth it to pay him on that side.
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  Speaker 2: Of the ball.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: So he's one of two big names to the top
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: of the draft that we always kind of talk about.
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: It's him and Abdul Carter. Abdul Carter kick things off
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: this morning, bright and early eight am.
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: We were here to here from Abdul Carter.
• 12:40
  Speaker 3: The thing I've noticed Evan this being my fifth combine
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: is some guys just project You're like, this is a
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: dude who can play in the league, And you know,
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: even if you did never watch him play, you could
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: probably walk through here and be like, yeah, he can play,
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: he can play, And certainly abdul Carter just gave that
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: vibe off of a dude who can play and who's
• 12:56
  Speaker 3: gonna help a team.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: I mean like the tape speaks for itself with him,
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: he is a fantastic athlete. I think the one thing
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: that you look at when you watch a guy like
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: abdel Carter is you want to see the guys that
• 13:05
  Speaker 4: move differently, and he's just one of those guys that
• 13:09
  Speaker 4: just moves differently. He's a different breed of athlete than
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: a lot of other players in this draft in particular.
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: But I thought was really interesting from what he said
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: is that his favorite player that he tries to emulate
• 13:21
  Speaker 4: his game after is Von Miller. He gets a lot
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: of Michael Parsons comparisons, Number eleven, Penn State, like that
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: whole thing, but he seems to feel like he more
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: looks like Von Miller, Like that's who he tries to
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: emulate his game after. So I thought that was interesting
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: because I can definitely see that comparison as well.
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: Talk about some of these other guys, I gotta mention
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: I brought them up before, but the two Georgia guys again,
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: they just have the vibe of dudes who can play
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: in the league. I'm talking about Mikel Williams and Jalen Walker. Yep,
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: they all sound the same. I mean there's like Trayvon
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: Walker a couple of years ago, Jalen Walker, yeah, always,
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: but those two guys to me and different guys I feel.
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: And even Mikel Williams said he felt like he's more
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: of a defensive end, probably more of a handdown that
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: kind of a player, whereas Jalen Walker saying, hey, where
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: do you want me to play?
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: You want to be playing the slot?
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: You want me to play on the edge, off the ball,
• 14:08
  Speaker 3: wherever they need to put him, And it's a pipe
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: dream of mine. But I'm like, I just thick those
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: two guys on the defense right now for the Patriots.
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: They've fit in great, you know, but those two guys
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: really stood out to me. And as I think Philadelphia
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: approved in the Super Bowl, you can't go wrong drafting
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: guys from Georgia.
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Jalen Walker I think is a top five
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: player in this class. He's a tremendous talent. And what
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: I love so much about him is that he can
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: play in all situations from various alignments. He said, He's
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: played four different positions in the Georgia defense, so he
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: can play off the ball, linebacker, edge rusher, in line rusher,
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: nickel like, he can just play anywhere and as a
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: matchup player, as a down in distance situational player as well.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: When you have a head coach like Mike Rabel that
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: you feel good about using a player like that and
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: knowing how to implement his talents, You feel good about
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: a player like that.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: For the Patriots.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: Mikel Williams I think is interesting too, just because of
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: Trell Williams, the Patriots defensive coordinator. His background isn't developing
• 15:03
  Speaker 4: defensive lineman. It's an aggressive defensive lineman and coaching those
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: guys up and all that kind of stuff. And Mikel
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Williams right now is a ball of clay.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: You know, he's a little raw.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: His hand technique and his hand fighting needs some work,
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: and he kind of needs a plan when he rushes
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: the passer that he doesn't have right now, but every
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: five plays you just see him do something freaky like
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: where you're just like, okay, well there it is.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Last thing on him.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: The Georgia defensive front, they play a lot of five technique,
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: as we know around here, a defensive ends so straight
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: up over the tackle, and when you play over the tackle,
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: you're not going to get as many sacks as the
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: guys that are playing from the seven or the nine
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: technique all the way outside, So they don't necessarily have
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: defensive ends in that system that put up gaudy sack
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: totals in college, like Treyvon Walker is another one that
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: had modest production at the college level, like mikel Williams.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: A lot of that is because of the role in
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: the style of defense. It's actually pretty BELLICHICKI in the
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: way that Kirby's plays defense, so that you have to
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: take that into account too. If you're going to draft
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: a guy like Mike cal Williams and you're gonna put
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: him out wide nine in the four to three all
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: game long and just let him t off, he's going
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: to have a different level of production than he did
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: At Georgia.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: They want to stick a stick in the SEC. I
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: guess Texas A and M.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: But Shamar Stewart and Nick Scarton are two guys that
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: I just I've really gravitated towards early on watching those guys,
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: and both really impressed me today as well. I think, again,
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: those are, you know, different guys, and especially especially with Scorton,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: he's just so disruptive. I mean, he's just a big
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: dude and again a little raw like seems like you
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: need to rain him in maybe a little bit. But
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: when you have these needs along the defensive line with
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: the Patriots, and as Elliott said, it's it's hard not
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: to look at every one of these guys that really
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: looks like they're making an impact and say, come come
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: to New England.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: We need these kind of guys. Yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: So Shamar Stewart is going to be an unbelievable tester.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: I'm naming all first round picks by these. We can
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: get into the that, but he's going to be an
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: unbelievable tester. And there are some people, you know, you
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: read some of these guys like Dan Brugler and stuff
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: like that, that assume that after he works out tomorrow night,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden everybody the top ten buzz is
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: going to start and just to go back to tray
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: Von Walker for a second, that's this is sort of
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: when that started for him.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Number one overall pick.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know if Stuart's going to get all the
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: way up there, but it just sounds like to me
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: that this is going to be a freaky ninety ninth
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: percentile combine athlete that everybody's going to be like, holy crap,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Like why you know, this guy's got an immense ceiling.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: So we'll see what that with scort And he's just
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: a ball on fire right.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a state.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Of power, aggressive downhill, bring your lunch pale, you know,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: type of guy. And that's obviously very attractive too. What
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I like about him as well is that you can
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: move him around the defensive front. You know, he's not
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: going to be just somebody that plays on the edge.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I love, you know, the old high tower lineup over
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: the guard or center, use your quickness on the inside.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I think Scorton can do that sort of thing.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Two more guys I just want to bring up Mike
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Green heard from him as well, and James Pearcere kind
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: of guys edge rush types. But again, I think it
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: just illustrates the depth of this class and how many
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: different options there are even as you get down, you know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: into the late first round, and maybe, you know, maybe
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: that is an option for the Patriots trade back up,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: you know, and try to grab one of these guys.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: It's one question we.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Didn't get to ask elliott I Gotta make a note task.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Him next time.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: But you know, when you have these deep classes like this,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: do you strike early and get the best one of
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: the group, or do you say there's a bunch of them,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: we like them all. Yeah, you know, it's just it's
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: a hard way to kind of balance things.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: It is, And I find myself going back and forth
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: on it too, because we'll probably get to Mason Graham
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: here in a second as well. It's yeah, like those
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: are great players at the top, but the drop off
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: at tackle or the drop off at wide receiver might
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: be a lot bigger from first round to second round.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: So well, Campbell to let's just use names to Arianti
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Ursrie might be a much bigger drop off than Mason
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Graham to you know, one of the guys we've been
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: talking about here on the defensive line.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: So that had some they know you.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I do think you have to weigh a little bit
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: because they're going to be starters in day two on
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: the defensive line. There might not be starters on day
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: two on the offensive line, especially at left tackle.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about Mason Graham now, because I think I
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: kind of polarizing. I feeling that's that's what it is,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: although I don't differing opinions. Well it's I mean, look,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: he's not he's not key on White. He doesn't have
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: the key on white. First off, the bus kind of
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: look to him that vibe of like, oh man, this
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: is a scary football team coming at us. But anybody
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: who watches him knows like he can play. He's a
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: fast player. And when you hear what Elliott Wolf is
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: saying about what Terrell Williams values, what Mike Rabel values,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: it's about disruption.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: It's about guys who play fast and aggressive.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: And Mason Graham, even though he might not look at
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: when he's standing up there at podium, that's kind of
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: what he does. So it's on one hand, it's easy
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to make the case, and on the other hand, you
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: look at all these other guys and you're like, yeah,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: but there's other edge guys or other interior guys that
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: and I actually I got to take that back because
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I think he's he's kind of stands alone as far
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: as an interior guy, but you know, edge guys off
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: the ball, there are some other option later.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I think he's he's a really interesting guy that we're
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: gonna be talking a lot about these next few months.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, when we talk about number four, we always bring
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: up blue chip prospects, and some of the people that
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: we've talked to here have said that he should be
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: considered a blue chip prospect. I was I was kind
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: of surprised about that. We have Jordan Reid coming up
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: here later in the week and he feels that way
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: about Mason Graham. So he's one of those players that
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: if Bill Belichick was still drafting for the Patriots, I
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: feel like he would be the guy because he's not
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: going to be the first off the bus guy. He's
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: not gonna win the combine, he's not gonna do any
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: of the flashy things that we kind of get attracted
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: to sometimes this time of year. In over eight, frankly
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: this time of year a little bit, he's gonna be
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: good on tape, and he's gonna be quiet, and he's
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: gonna go about his business and he's gonna work hard
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: a lot like Christian Gonzalez or Keon White or somebody
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: like that. Now, I don't know if Frabell will you know,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: gravitate towards that same style of player, because I agree
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: on film, you know, effort and finish for the two
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: big things that they preach with this you know, new regime,
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: and he checks both those boxes in spades, like that's
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: what his game is all about. But do I look
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: at him and say that's a franchise pillar, a leader
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: of the organization for the next decade, that sort of thing. No,
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: But it's also probably unfair to put that on him. Yeah,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: So who else have I missed here today? Anybody else
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: that that that we want to talk about? I mean,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: there it is.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: It is a talented class, and we touched a lot
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: on like the top guys, which, let's face it, maybe
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: they get patriots without shot at one of these, one
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: of these guys we're talking about, unless they trade down.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: But anyone else I missed or anyone else of this
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: group that stands out to you, just a couple of
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: the linebackers, I thought, you know, we're really impressive. Jihad
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Campbell from Alabama is a guy that's really fascinating to me.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a really good athlete,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: a really good tester here. And he's got great tape,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: but it's streaky, you know, some games is better than others.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: But I think he's got a lot of those same
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Patriots style linebacker trades where he can kind of do
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit of everything.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: You know he can.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: He has a size in the in the play strength
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: and the speed, the power to play the run and
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: fill gaps and come downhill at the line of scrimmage.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: But he can also cover and play in space. He
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: can rush the quarterback, he can spy the quarterback. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: although I understand we're all thinking offense, defensive line wide
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: receiver one, all those different type of things, having that
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: playmaking linebacker at the second level, I don't know if
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: they'd necessarily have that either, right, you know, and somebody
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: that can truly go sideline to sideline or chase down
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: a mobile quarterback and know when Josh Allen goes to
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: scramble and you know now it's first down, so you
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: have your run personnel on the field and you're trying
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: to get guys that are two hundred and fifty two
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifty five pounds to chase down Josh Allen,
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: this is a guy that's a really, really good athlete.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: The other one Jeffrey Bossa from Oregon.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: I think that he's another guy that really stood out
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: to me at the podium and on film as well
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: as a coverage linebacker.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: He used to play safety.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Now he's going to play linebacker, off ball linebacker in
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: the league. He's talking about Fred Warner, of course, is
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: kind of like the poster child for that sort of thing.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: And I think if you're looking for somebody that you
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: can run the scene and cover two and carry tight
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: ends vertical and you all that good stuff, than he's
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: somebody like that.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: That's a lot coming at us today, but and a
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: lot of the draft stuff. So we're, you know, glad
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: to share a bunch of that draft stuff the Elliot
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: interview as well. But we also had a chance to
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: sit down with Mike Rereas of ESPN. Of course that
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: needs no introduction. Did the legend out Mike gees himself
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: to really just drill down on some of the Patriots stuff,
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: So you check out that interview right here. All right,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: we're excited to be joined by Mike Greasi ESPN. Mike,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: thanks for sitting down with us here at the Commine.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: Mike Evan, great to be da.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: No introduction, I know it needs no introduction.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, it might have been like back the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: old blogger podcast days, the last time we had like
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: you for a one on one conversation.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: So thank you for that back in the day. Uh.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: But just to start off, Mike, you know, I know
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: you covered Mike Rabel for a long time as a player.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: What have you seen from him in the first few
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: months here as a coach?
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: So I feel like a lot of energy, a lot
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: of clear vision on what he wants to do, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: I think the experience stands out to me. This is
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: someone that's done it before, knows the steps to take,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: and it's been sort of refreshing. It's the word that
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: I would use.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, was what was your experience like just covering him
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: as a player. I mean a lot of reporters have
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: great stories about covering Mike Rabel.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: But what was it like for you?
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: So let's start with where his spot was in the
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: locker room right, because that's the first thing that I
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: think about, is when we would all be gathered around.
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: So he would have been where Christian Ellis is. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: for those who are listening or watching this, this is
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: down close to where Teddy Bruski used to be. That's
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: the corner locker going into like the.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Meeting room right where Jawan Bentley is.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Jawan Bentley in that area. So and we would gather
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: around and you had to be, let's see, not sensitive
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: when you were gathered around Mike Rabel. You had to
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: be ready for the quick wit. And I would say,
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: not much has changed now that we're back to and
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: he's the coach.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: It's absolutely true. I one of the things I was
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: wondering with Rabel here. Obviously they have all this space.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: They had a lot of caps based last off season.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: We saw how that went, you know, trying to attract
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: free agents to come here. In your experience knowing Mike,
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: do you feel like he can be a great recruiter
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: of some of the talent that maybe is out there
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: and try to sway people to actually come to New England,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Because I, let's face it right now, I think being
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: a destination is something they're struggling with a little bit.
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: So I do think he can be that, and for
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: those that are watching us, we should let them know that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: The last question that Mike took in our gathering after
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: the press conference on Tuesday was Evan talking about being
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: a recruiter, and Mike told the story I don't know
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: if he told it when he was on with you
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: guys about how he was at Houston and Houston had
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: some natural grass in their dome and Mike Rabel, who's
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: an assistant coach, says to Bill O'Brien, what do you
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: have this natural grass? And the dome for Bill O'Brien goes,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: I think it'd be great for recruiting free agents, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Rabel says to Bill O'Brien, the only green that free
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: agents care about is the cash. So I think the
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: cash is to use that story, the cash is the
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: great recruiter. But in a tiebreaker, Mike Rabel can be
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: a great salesperson. Yeah, and I think it's genuine Evan, Yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: like I do think it's genuine.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that was one of the takeaways
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: that I had just listening to him talk. If you
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: are looking for that tie breaker. This is an intense guy,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: and this is a guy that you could see yourself
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: as an athlete playing for. And not to say that
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: other coaches couldn't maybe do the same thing, but there's
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: just between him and really Drake May Like I feel
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: like those are the two things in money obviously that
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: they have going for them right now. So it's been
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: interesting to see, you know, how he can kind of
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: talk and has that gravitas and a little bit of that,
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: you know, just appeal from a player perspective.
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: And I think the other thing, if it works out
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: in the Patriots favor, that they have going for them
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: is the culture that he had established in Tennessee. So
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: if players hear about that and that like so Taylor Lawan, right, like,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you followed him on X and and and
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: his stories about that. Will Compton, right am, I correct
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: me if I slip up here. These are players that
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: had experienced it, that are out there in the public,
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: you know, talking about what they got out of it,
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: even if they might have been a little skeptical at
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: the start, right, And so that can also be something
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: a player that wants to be part of that culture.
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: How about for us, like I know with Mike, I
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: better be sharp when I'm coming out better are my
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: questions ready?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah? You know.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Like so, just as it's like raising hopefully raising your
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: game as a reporter someone covering the team, you want
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: to raise your game as a player like this guy.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: This might be a guy you want to align with.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Yea, Mike. We get so caught up in free agency
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: coming up and T Higgins and Ronnie Stanley and the
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: big names, and then you slowly start to heal and
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: all these guys are going to resign or you know,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: and then you talk about the draft, and we talk
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: about Abdul Carter and you know, there's just a lot
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: of name that you get excited about.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: But throwing all the names apart.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: What does this Patriots team need? I mean, what do
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: they need to add personnel wise, whether it's free agency,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: the draft. When you get out of the spring, what
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: do you want to see this team pick up?
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: Well? I feel like the line of scrimmage would be
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: where I would start if you and and if Ronnie
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: Stanley comes available to me, Evan, we were talking about
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: this like that would be a great one to just say,
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: oh bam, left tackle squared away taken care of and
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: I thought one of the things Mike said that I
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: liked that I agree with the Super Bowl was one
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: at the line of scrimmage. I think the Patriots are
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: weak at the line of scrimmage right now, and that's
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: where I would start.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He mentioned too that they wanted to try to
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: use free agency so that they can get to the
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: draft and just take the best player available, not have
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: to necessarily reach on a player like that. We talked
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: a little bit about Ronnie Stanley last night and him
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: potentially being available. I think the Ravens are obviously interested
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: in keeping him, so see where that goes. Just do
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: you have a sense at all though of you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: some of the names that might actually get to free
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: agency that you would be interested in.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: So Ronnie Stanley would be at the top of my list.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Milton Williams would be another. I think the thing on
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: that is, what is the number right? Well, would it
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: go over Christian Barmore? Should it go over Christian Barmore,
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: that would be the next one on my list. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: don't still still considering Josh Sweat and if that would
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: be a fit, to be honest, even at the lower
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: financial level, I mean, would you consider judon coming back.
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm not saying I would, but like just
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: names like that that I've thought about and pretty much
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: almost everyone is at the line of scrimmage. Another one
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: I'd like Steph I like Stefan Diggs. I've always been
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: a Digs fan. I don't know what the financial level
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: on that would be, but I'd consider looking into that
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: one myself.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: What about when you look internally at this team and
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: we verybel got some questions today about scheme changes and
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: all those kinds of things. But you know, do you
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: look at this team as it is right now? And
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: he said it today, he said, the team's going to
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: look very different at the end of August. Do you
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: think that there's some maneuvering to be done on the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: roster the guys that are already here, guys that are
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: under contract, meaning that they might not be around perhaps perhaps,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think any you know, coach
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: comes in, he's got to adjust things. And certainly a
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: lot of those players connect back to Bill and you
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: would think, like tough, you know, versatile players, everybody's kind
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: of in the market for those. But at the same time,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Mike's got his own philosophies that he's gonna come in with.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: And I'm just I don't think anything needs to happen immediately,
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: but it feels like they really need to take inventory
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: of who we have and who are the guys that
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: we're going to move forward with I think so, and
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: also how they're going to play. So applying this conversation,
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: one thing Mike Vrabel said that stood out to me.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Terrell Williams is a very aggressive defensive coach. So when
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I hear that, well, the defense is going to be
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: playing differently than it has in the past. So what
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: does that mean for Dietrich wise free agent? What does
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: that mean for Jonathan Jones?
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: Mike, we're able to talk about how important the nickel
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: position is in today's game, Like, is.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: That Marcus Jones?
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: Marcus Jones? Is it Jonathan Jones? Is it someone else?
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: Maybe it's it's I'm not saying DJ Reid would be
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: a slot, but does that make a corner? You know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: if some of your other options in free agency that
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: maybe are at the line on the lines don't work out,
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: maybe you redirect the money. So I think that's what
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: that's where my mind is racing, is how they'll play
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: differently on defense. I think offensively, they just need players
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: no matter what the scheme is. If that makes sense.
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that that Nickels spot is interesting because
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of teams nowadays are going to
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: more like safety body types in the nickel instead of
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: true corners. Because with all these like Shanahan inspired offenses,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: you have the wide zone teams going outside the numbers
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: and trying to run to the numbers. And if you're
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: gonna do that, like you need to set the edge
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: of the defense and force the ball back inside. So
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: instead of having you know, guy like Jonathan Jones or
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Marcus Jones who's undersize and isn't really going to be
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: able to do that, you have more like CJ. Gardner
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Johnson types that can actually push the ball back inside
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: to the defense. So when he says nickel and he
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: starts talking about, you know, the importance.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Of is that guy a good blitzer?
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: You know? Is that guy you know can he do
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: different things?
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Can he cover?
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: But can he do other things? That's sort of the
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: thing I was thinking about a little bit was Okay,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: you know five foot eight Marcus Jones, five foot nine
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones, is that really what he's looking for in
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: that spot?
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Really really good discussion.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Marty Mapu too, not necessarily in that role, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: just another guy who's been kind of, I don't want
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: to say miscast, but you haven't really found a home
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: for him yet. And he came out of nowhere last year.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: That first game back played like the whole game, We're like,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: where's this guy been? And I mean tapered off a
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: little bit. I don't, you know, but I wonder if
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: there's a different spot for him when we talk about
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: maybe linebacker position getting more mobile. When you look at
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: what they did in Tennessee. Yeah, just a lot of questions.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing with Mike. He yes, he
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: played under Belichick here, never really coached under Belichick, worked
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: a lot with Romeo Crenell and Dean Ps and guys
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: off of that tree. Still kind of did his own
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: thing in Tennessee. And I think that's like our question,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: which we you know, we'd asked him a little bit
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: He didn't really get into it too much.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: But how's it going to change?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: How's it going to evolve?
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: And I think, as you said, that defense just seems
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: like it's a like a piece of clay right now,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: and that they're gonna have to mold it into something different.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And I love to.
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: Take viewers and listeners inside, right, So just sort of
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: on the same topic, but different topic. One of the
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: thoughts I came into this combine with was will Verrabel
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: commit to Mike Owenhu at guard or tackle? So we
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: remember Bill Belichick, he's a guard, like that's where his
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: body type is. I do think there's some people in
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: the front office that say, oh, a win is not
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: bad at tackle, Like if you look at some of
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: the PFF numbers, you know, they're they're sort of stack
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: up pretty good at tackle. And I don't know if
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: that's actually true. Evan, you might be able to confirm that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: But so today I'm well, let me take a try,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: you know, I mean, I'm used to this with Bill Belichick.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, I know the answer is probably gonna be, Oh, Mike,
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: it's you know, it's February, just twenty to get the
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: best twenty fifth. I mean, next time we play a
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: game in September, let you know, let's see how Mike
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: might answer it. And that one got swatted down pretty good, right,
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: But but he did say. I had a good conversation
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: with Mike ah Win.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: WHU.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, seems like he wants to, you know, we can
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: improve on some things and work on, you know, being
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: part of this. So it was just sort of interesting
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: right when we talk about how things are changing scheme wise,
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: media wise. But took a stab at that one.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, on Wny, I feel like the best thing for
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: him is to play him at guard, and right now,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I feel like he's been a decent right tackle for
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: what else they've had on the roster right and that's
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: not necessarily what's best for him, but it might have
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: been what was best for the Patriots in that moment
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: in time. But every time they kind of play some
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: of those higher level pass rushers, he's had some issues
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: playing outside. I remember a couple of years ago, Khalil
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Mack just had a monster game with him playing at
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: right tackle, one of the worst games I've seen on
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: when who play as a Patriot. And I just feel
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: like he's better suited at guard. But like all these
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: conversations about roster and you know, brings me to the
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: next question, which is who has final say on this roster?
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Because Rabel was asked point blank who has final say today?
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: And he kind of deflected on it, I felt like,
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: and he didn't really give a straight answer.
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: Definitely one one last thing on a winner before answering
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: that is the thought. My thought was, well, if he
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: would commit to him at tackle is Trey Smith? Now
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: you know you want to start, you want to start
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: getting quality starters in there. But I'm with you, Evan,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: like I think guard guard would be the ideal scenario.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: Who has final say? So, here's what I believe contractually, like,
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: what is a written on the paper? Elliott Wolf has
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: the final say. That is what he had signed on
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: this contract last year, is what I understand. However, Mike
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: Rabel being hired as coach, comes in and is probably
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: not going to take that job if he doesn't have
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: assurances that he's going to have players that he doesn't want, right,
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: And so I think there's a little bit of nuance
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: to this where if Elliott wanted to put his foot
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: down and said, no, you know, we're taking this guy
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: because I think he's the best and I don't care
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: that you don't want him, and this is the way
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be. I don't believe that that's gonna that
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: marriage would I don't think that's what Elliott would do.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: But if that's what we're if we're gonna go by
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: the letter of the law like it, Elliott would probably
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: not be around much longer, would be my take. So
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: I think they'll work it out. Technically it's Elliott, but
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: I do believe it'll be significantly influenced by what Mike wants.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: Does that make sense?
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: It makes sense?
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: Uh, last one for me, Mike, just you know, thoughts
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: on the draft. Here we are at the combine again
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: to look at some of these guys. I know at four,
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: said a couple of times at three. It felt like
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: last year pretty straightforward. We know they're probably gonna take
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: a quarterback. Four feels like, you know, there's a couple
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: guys Carter Hunter they got through. You'd probably slam dunk them.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: But otherwise it gets to be kind of curious, not
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: sure which way can we trade down and maximize and
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: not overdraft any buddy. And it seems like those are
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: the conversations we're having this year.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what I look for as a reporter, i'mlike, I
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: feel like Evan's studied a lot more than me. Mike,
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: you probably studied it a little bit more than me.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Is you just look for.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: Consensus among people that have studied it, and I don't
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: sense it outside of Carter and Hunter. Yeah, and it
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: makes me think, quite honestly, is that winning that last
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: game really hurt this franchise? Just to be honest, Yeah,
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: you know, And so is there a way that maybe
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: between now in the draft, those quarterbacks start to how
• 37:31
  Speaker 6: we view them now changes and two of them end
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: up within the first three picks I think would be
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: the best scenario for the Patriots, and then you just
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: take the other guy, Carter Hunter, right, And so that
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: that's probably my big picture takeaway right now in the draft.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough one because you know, I think
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: the next two best prospects are probably Mason Graham and
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Will Campbell. But both of those guys have some flaws
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: to their games that don't make them quite that high
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: level will prospect, you know, Like the name it always
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: gets thrown around to me with defensive tackles is like
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Quinn Williams when he came out, he was a sure fired.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: This guy is gonna, yeah, gonna be like a decade
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: long Hall of Fame level talent in the league. I
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: don't think Mason Graham quite is at that level, whereas
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think Campbell's quite at Jolt's level in terms
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: of the tackle position. So it is a little bit
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: of a down year. When we talked to Elliott Wolf tomorrow,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping to ask him about that and say, you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: do you feel the same way, because I think that's
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: what a lot of the experts are saying right now,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: is like the four to twelve range is not a
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: great place to be in this year's draft. And that's,
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: of course where right where the Patriots are. So before
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: we let you go, I'm gonna put you a little
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: bit on the spot here. Is there anything we haven't
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: asked you, any any scoops, any micro res info that
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: you can share with us.
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: Well, so good. I love this on the draft. So
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: let's say let's say the two quarterbacks don't go, you know,
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: within the first three picks, and the team wants to
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: come up for it. I think given the whole discussion
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: we've had, the idea of moving back and getting another
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: one for next year, like I would, I would probably
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: endorse that today as a good move for the organization.
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: So that's sort of the big picture on that and
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: other stuff here in terms of scoops or not scoops,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: but just stuff around around the Patriots trying to think
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: Alex Austen's won, like I want to hear about because
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: we saw that Jerem. I mean, this is we're going deep,
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: but we go you know, Jeremiah Farms signed the two
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: year as the exclusive rights free agent, which basically was
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: him giving up the restricted free agent year next year.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: I want, I'm curious what Alex is going to do,
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: and I think there's probably some discussion there as to
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: how to handle that. Does he just want to take
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: this year as an exclusive rights free agent and roll
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: it into restricted free agency or could they somehow reach
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: something that maybe is in the middle where he's willing
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: to give up restricted free agency become unrestricted a couple
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: years from because I think fairly promising player.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It could be a.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Thought he came on at the end last year.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: I mean a little bit of a decision to make.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Maybe with Jonathan Jones as a free agent, and you know,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Austin can maybe plan the outside a little bit.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like we've been clamoring for size opposite Gonzales,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: right because somebody that can actually play full time on
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: the perimeter. And I think he's done a nice job
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: when given the opportunities and when healthy and all that
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: kind of stuff. And you know, we're abel talked about
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: let's not go to the draft with all these needs,
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and if they don't bring Austin back and they don't
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: bring Jonathan Jones back, now, all of a sudden, perimeter
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: corners is a pretty big need, and so I have
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: another need to fill, right, And so that that's a
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: tough one to be in. That's a good one.
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: And another thing that he said that I particularly liked
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: was on Sirius XM NFL Radio. We talked about last
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: year's draft class. And I think because outside of Drake,
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: you didn't get much from the draft class. Is that
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: fair to say? And I think we have a tendency,
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: or at least I do, to just write those players
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: off Jalen Polk, Caden Wallace, Javon Baker, Leyden Robinson probably
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: to a lesser let me gave you something, but well
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: he talked to He used the word revitalizing that draft class,
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: and I do think there's something to that, like did
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  Speaker 6: they just draft bad players or was there something that happened,
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  Speaker 6: and Vrabel talking about how he spoke to those players
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  Speaker 6: and said, we hear about the sophomore slump, but let's
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  Speaker 6: call this the freshman fifteen. Yeah, and you know, and
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  Speaker 6: I thought that was really good because so much it's
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  Speaker 6: not You don't just draft a player and that player
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  Speaker 6: is great in your system. You draft them and develop them.
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  Speaker 6: And so I think what he's talking about I believe
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  Speaker 6: in and I want to see how they do it.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely great stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Mike Grease, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 6: Mike, great to be here.
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  Speaker 3: Guys. All right, Well, I think that's going to wrap
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  Speaker 3: up day two. I guess these days are going to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: start to blend together a little bit. But we got
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  Speaker 3: cornerbacks safeties on tap tomorrow will finish out the defensive
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  Speaker 3: side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Anything you're looking forward tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Not huge positions in need, but I think he always
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: could be in the market for a cornerback, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like Traves Hunter is going to talk so
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  Speaker 3: that that in itself is going to be worth the
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  Speaker 3: price of admission.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, this is such a unique player.
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  Speaker 4: And I just come back to what Elliott said about
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  Speaker 4: the Patriots writing up two separate reports about him one
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  Speaker 4: at corner at one receiver. I've never seen anything like
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: that or heard of anything like that before, so fascinated
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  Speaker 4: to see when he gets to the podium.
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  Speaker 2: What position does he want to play?
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna get grilled about it, right, And does he
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  Speaker 4: say I want to play both ways? Don't draft me
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  Speaker 4: unless you're gonna play me both ways? Or is he
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  Speaker 4: gonna favor one.
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  Speaker 6: Position or the other?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Travis Hunter Thursday coming up tomorrow. Of course, we'll
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: be back here with the podcast to get you guys
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: caught up with everything that goes down here at the
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  Speaker 3: Scott to Combin