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Brad Dacus: Defending The Cross Of Christ In The Public Square · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  If this was a generic monument to war veterans, it wouldn't be removed.
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  If it was some kind of artistic display, it wouldn't be removed.
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  If there was a giant LGBT flag or something like that, this city would embrace it, no problem.
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  So it's specifically because of the viewpoint and the religious viewpoint and perspective
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  of the cross, that's their agenda, that's what they want removed.
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  It is a vicious, blatant, anti-constitutional discriminatory action by the city of Albany.
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  The growing intolerance towards free speech and freedom of thought and ideas is something
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  that's actually even compelling people to leave states like New York, California, Oregon
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  and Washington.
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  And welcome to World View Matters, friends.
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  This is what we're talking about today.
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  You just heard the words of Brad Dacus of the Pacific Justice Institute.
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  And he's our guest today.
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  We're going to be talking a lot about religious freedom.
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  We're talking about some cases that are somewhere in the courts right now.
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  There's been an attack on the biblical world view on the cross of Christ.
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  We'll detail that story that he was just responding to there.
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  The city of Albany removes their cross.
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  There was up for, I don't know how many years, but he'll tell us about that.
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  Civil rights, First Amendment issues will maybe get a little bit to cancel culture and
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  talk about some recent cases over at the Pacific Justice Institute.
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  The website is pacificjustice.org, pacificjustice.org.
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  Brad Dacus, welcome.
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  Good to see you, brother.
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  Oh, thank you.
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  It's great to be on the program, David.
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  I appreciate it.
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  Now, you've done a lot of interviews on that case and many others that you do, where
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  you represent people and then just fight for the cause of Christ and the cross of Christ.
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  In this case, to be publicly displayed, that it was there on this little hill in this
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  little town in Northern California, tell us about that.
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  Yeah.
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  It's in the San Francisco Bay area and it's a nice community.
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  The Lions Club back in 1971, graciously donated a track of land to the city of Albany.
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  The city of Albany was very appreciative.
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  The city council was very gracious, very grateful, excuse me, and the Lions Club had just
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  one requirement.
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  They said, look, we're going to give you this land, but we're going to keep this small
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  little portion of it because we want to maintain a cross on this small portion.
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  So we're going to keep that.
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  That's going to be our land, but we're giving you all this other land all around it, city
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  without charge.
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  It's yours.
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  It was delighted.
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  And then back in, actually, 2016, that's when the ruckus started, atheist organizations
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  and other activists has known that we want to get rid of that cross.
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  We find it offensive.
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  It's an eye sore.
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  We have to get rid of it when they tried a number of tactics.
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  One was to have the power cut off because it lights up at night.
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  There's light bulbs on it to light it up at night.
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  It looks very beautiful, but they got the power cut off.
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  It worked for about four or five months, and then they realized that they were breaking
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  the law.
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  They couldn't do that.
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  So the lights came back on again.
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  And then fairly recently, they decided to go ahead and seize that little part of land
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  that was not given to them that has the cross.
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  The imminent domain, according to the Fifth Amendment taking clause, government can take
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  property if it's for a public purpose, a valid public purpose.
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  Well, courts look at valid public purpose like a highway needs to be expanded, a power
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  line needs to go through there, maybe a hospital or a school needs to be built and they need
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  part of that land.
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  They don't recognize that principle when the government just doesn't like speech.
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  So if the government can use that, the Fifth Amendment taking clause to use imminent domain
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  to take that cross just because they don't like it, they don't like the messaging of it,
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  and there's nothing preventing them on that same principle to use the taking clause
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  to take a church or synagogue that they also may find quote unquote offensive.
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  That's why this case is so, so very important.
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  That's right.
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  And again, at the risk of being redundant, I mean, we use the term slippery slope a lot.
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  Once we give them these victories in this different areas, then they'll continue to take
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  more ground as we've learned.
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  And I think of 1 Corinthians 118, which says the preaching of the cross is to them that
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  perish foolishness, but to us who are being saved, it's the power of God.
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  And the cross is, I mean, Brad, do you remember, I think it was 1956, I might be, it might
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  have been the 60s, New York City skyline was lit up on Good Friday and they had crosses
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  in three of the major skyscrapers, including the Empire State Building, crosses were lit
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  up at nighttime for Good Friday.
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  Today, they'll put rainbow colors, but back then, this is how our nation has changed.
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  And now the attack is on the cross, and we know the view of our founders.
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  And that's why I appreciate the work that you do.
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  And in this case, where's the case at?
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  You said is in litigation right now.
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  That's right.
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  In litigation right now, we at the Pacific Justice Institute, we have filed suit.
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  So it's a full litigation.
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  And make no mistake, we're willing to take this case as far as we need to, even a potentially
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  the United States Supreme Court.
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  This is unprecedented for a governmental entity to seize property simply because they don't
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  like the religious message on that property.
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  This has never been done before and it's a very important case.
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  It's coming out of the intolerant, hate-filled San Francisco Bay area.
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  So to some degree, it's to be expected.
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  But I like to think that the city of Albany would have had better legal counsel to inform
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  them that this is simply not a protected act based on case law or the Constitution.
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  Well, I want to go back to last year and quote the mayor of Albany.
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  Aaron Tideman, I believe his name is, he implied that the cross and what it stands for is
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  against the values of the people.
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  He said the city has actually put its money where its mouth is.
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  And our city looks a little bit more accepting now in a way that we think is consistent with
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  our values, meaning now that the cross is removed.
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  And he said the people that have had the cross up, they've had such privilege for so long.
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  And he says losing it feels like being oppressed.
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  That's going to be an adjustment for folks, but here's what I'm getting to Brad.
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  But I think we will all get used to it and I think it's a real benefit.
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  Now think about taking removing God, prayer from the public schools in the 1960s.
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  Think about the removal of 10 commandments, monuments, or public expressions.
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  We've gotten used to it.
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  That's what he said, the quiet part out loud.
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  He said, you know, we'll do this and they'll just get used to it.
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  But sadly, that's what's happened, your thoughts on that.
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  We should never get used to oppression and state silencing of religious speech or the
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  rights of individuals to use their private property in a way that they feel called by God
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  to use it.
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  This is a very important issue and the fact that the mayor would say something like that
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  is indicative of number one, an ignorance of a constitution.
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  But number two, just a growing hostility and hate, if you will, really towards the cross
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  and towards people who respect the cross and the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, for
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  that matter, I'm sure there are people in the community that don't like the cross.
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  I'm sure that's probably the case because the cross is convicting.
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  It's convicting in terms of sin.
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  Jesus died on the cross, not just to make friends.
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  He died on the cross because we have a sin problem and many people don't want to address
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  their sin problem.
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  But that's the first phase of the gospel.
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  The second is the fact that Jesus died on the cross to pay for that sin.
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  And all we have to do in humility is to receive his payment for that sin on the cross and
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  the victory through his resurrection to make him our Lord and Savior.
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  So that message is powerful, but it's also protected by the Constitution.
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  So the fact that some people don't like it, you know, that's why we have the free speech
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  clause and the free exercise clause.
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  It's not to protect speech or beliefs that everyone agrees with.
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  It's to protect speech and religious beliefs that some may find repulsive and may disagree
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  with.
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  That's why we have that language in the first amendment in the first place.
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  So when you go to your website pacificjustice.org, one of the first things you'll see is a PJI town hall
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  that you guys had and it's great that you guys are doing this.
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  Liberal rights has been a huge issue, obviously, that's been something that has been under attack.
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  And what I mean by that is rights, particularly in public schools.
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  Brad, I've had parents on this podcast that they were in a battle for their children
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  because they were duped into thinking they were transgender.
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  One in particular, I think of her name is Aaron Lee.
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  She's fighting the fight in Indiana.
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  Her daughter was recruited, you might as well use the word, recruited to an after school
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  club and then she came home after just a couple hours in the club thinking she was transgender.
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  Now Aaron's fighting this battle, but they said those that parents in that school system
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  said, well, once you drop your kids off, they don't belong to you anymore.
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  There are school, the school's children.
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  So you have a case, I believe you said it was in New Jersey on parental rights.
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  How much about that?
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  Why this is important?
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  Yeah.
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  And the Supreme Court for about a hundred years ago, and Pierce was a side of sisters,
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  Maya, me, Nebraska, Wisconsin, the odor, recognized that parents have a fundamental right
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  over the education, moral instruction, religious instruction, upbringing, health, welfare of
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  their children, always, that's their right.
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  So the teachers unions, the public schools, overall, they have a problem with this, they
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  don't really get it.
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  So we have this happening in New Jersey right now, the attorney general of New Jersey,
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  in fact, has the audacity to order every public school and every public school teacher
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  in the state of New Jersey to light up parents if they see a child is struggling with gender
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  confusion and not only light up parents, but actually violate their own conscience as
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  teachers and force the teachers to affirm and encourage the confusion.
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  That loving, compassionate teacher who truly cares about kids are going to want to encourage
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  any kind of confusion, much less confusion, their results in permanent sterilization and
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  statistically mental issues, physical issues, and a shorter lifespan.
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  There's nothing compassionate and loving about that, but that's what the attorney general
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  of New Jersey is requiring.
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  We at Pacific Justice Institute, we don't get angry at these things, we file lawsuits.
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  That's what we've done, and we're taking on the attorney general, we're going to take
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  this case as far as we need to.
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  Wow.
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  I guess it's not surprising because the left will keep taking ground as much ground as
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  Christians and conservatives and concerned citizens give them, whether it be the rights
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  over their children, public square, how did you get connected, you know, you're based
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  in California, but you have offices in many different places, how did you get connected
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  with that particular case in New Jersey?
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  Well, we have an office in New Jersey, Trent, New Jersey, also in New York, who are also
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  licensed to practice in New Jersey.
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  So we're very much alive on the East Coast, we have an office in Boston, several in New
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  York, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Maryland, also in North Carolina, Georgia, Miami.
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  So we've got the whole East Coast covered to take on these and other kinds of cases,
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  as well as, of course, offices in the industrial rest belts, the South, the Midwest, the West,
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  and of course, the West Coast.
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  So Brad, what kind of case or what kind of person would come to you or would find you and
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  ask you if you would be able to represent them and how does that work?
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  Yeah.
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  Well, first it's really easy for people to request for help.
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  They just go to our website, pji.org or pacificjustice.org.
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  And there they can request for help and they give a description of what they're going
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  through, what their issues are, what the problem is.
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  And then we'll take a look at it and see if it falls on our area of expertise, a religious
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  freedom, parents rights against the government or the safety of human life.
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  And then we'll get back to them.
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  But we take on all kinds of cases, so like on religious freedom, for example, we took
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  on cases defending churches throughout the state of California when they were told and
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  ordered by a governor Gavin Newsom, you have to be shut down, even though we're letting
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  restaurants open up and strip clubs open up, churches have to be shut down.
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  It was a big bully tactic by governor Gavin Newsom, clear hostility and bigotry against
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  institutions of faith, synagogues as well, we're shut down.
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  So we had pacific justice, we filed a lawsuit, we took it all this Supreme Court and the
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  Supreme Court ordered with a six three vote, thanks to the appointments by former president
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  Donald Trump.
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  Want to give some credit here.
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  Because of that, the Supreme Court ordered six to three to the governor Gavin Newsom
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  open those churches and synagogues now, and he did that ripples across the country.
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  That was a very dramatic case, but we take on other cases involving churches where it's
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  just a land use zoning issue and they're not allowed to expand or to build a church somewhere.
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  We do all our work, of course, without charge.
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  So on the religious freedom side, we do a lot of case work, people in the workplace were
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  fired because of their faith and convictions.
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  We've told thousands and thousands across the nation were wrongfully fired, not because
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  they were doing a bad job, but simply because they had sincere religious convictions against
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  either taking a controversial COVID-19 quote unquote vaccine or because they're refusing
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  to use pronouns that clearly violate their conscience and their commitment to be a follower
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  of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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  So these are the kinds of religious freedom kinds of cases we're taking on right now.
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  Wow, fantastic.
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  We so appreciate you Brad and what you do.
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  By the way, friends, they've got a YouTube channel as well, Pacific Justice Institute
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  Got some other things to discuss with Brad Dacus, president of PJ, I will write back
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  So Brad, back to Brad Dacus, Pacific Justice Institute, Brad, over on your website there's
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  a section of things that you discuss when you go and speak on these or interview on these.
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  And the first two are very important to caught my eye and one is new laws impacting churches
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  and the next one is church and politics.
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  So talk a little bit about those topics.
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  Yeah, so when laws are passed that impact churches and or and in some religious institutions
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  we like to call them out and you know the one of the big questions one of the big issues
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  we're dealing with right now is the redefinition of the E by the EOC of Title 9 dealing with
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  allowing boys, mandating the boys can go into girls locker rooms or showers also that dealing
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  with Title 7 applying it to religious institutions saying that they can't discriminate based on
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  sexual orientation or gender identity when it comes to dealing with staff and employees.
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  These are serious concerns we have Pacific Justice love to make churches aware of these
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  and to go to bat for them when we see this kind of outrageous intolerance.
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  As far as church and politics go we have a fantastic division it's called a church engagement
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  division and what we do is we serve churches in so many ways but one of ways we do is we empower
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  them to have their voice heard one of the greatest problems we have is the churches is all too silent.
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  In fact a large contingency of Christians don't even register to vote much less vote so we
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  enable and empower churches very easily to have voter registration Sundays last election we
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  got over 500 churches to put on voter registration Sundays resulting in more than 15,000
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  new registered voters having a real impact this year we're shooting for over a thousand churches
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  down voter registration Sundays we also have churches recruit poll workers and poll watchers
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  on a grassroots basis to fight this fraud which has become such an issue with elections these days
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  as well as helping pastors identify people who might be good candidates to run for school
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  council last go around we got church work with churches and they recruited 44 people to run for
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  school boards 23 of them won and defeated existing incumbents who are beholden to the teachers union
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  and the LGBTQ and that kind of material instead now they're they're being replaced with someone who
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  is sensitive for the rights of parents and the true quality of the education of kids so we're
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  seeing great things done on that level and we can help any church anywhere if they just go to our
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  website p j i dot o r g i want to talk a little bit more about that Brad because you brought up
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  something that there's a lot of confusion among the church but especially among pastors and it
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  might have to do with the johnson amendment you said voter registration drives in churches wait a
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  minute separation of church in state which i call the second biggest lion america evolution number one
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  separation of church in state because now when people hear that what it what that means to our
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  generation is the separation of Christianity and state or the biblical worldview keep your
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  influence behind church walls so what else can churches do what else can a pastor say from the
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  pulpit yeah so you know there's a johnson amendment but there's been so many pastors have sent
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  you know DVDs of their sermon to the irs and then the sermon their point blanks
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  calling out a politician or talking positive about another politician running for office
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  and the irs has not done anything with that that's right not in any way attacked over 300 churches
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  did this and the reason is because the iris knows that if they did under the quote johnson amendment
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  that this supreme court would declare that unconstitutional the government can't use purse strings
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  to silence the free exercise of religion that is what the supreme court would rule on those kinds
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  of issues so but pastors have tremendously way not just to express their personal convictions
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  behind the pulpit and we encourage them to qualify and say this is my personal belief in conviction
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  and then to to qualify in that regard just makes a little bit of a of a need or case but churches
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  can do all kinds of things we have a booklet on our website talking about all the things that churches
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  can do to make sure their voice is heard and it's called church and politics they can download it
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  for free you know david when i talked to groups of pastors and i do a lot of guest preaching at churches
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  across the country but sometimes i get to talk to groups of pastors in one location and when i do
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  i talk to them i and i say you know the issue of of elections and church involvement it's it's not
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  about you know you know someone getting elected or not getting elected really i mean god raises up
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  god brings down it's really about obedience to god's word in Romans chapter 13 to be good citizens
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  and also to preserve our testimony yes if a church in my opinion david if a church is truly
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  filled with the love of Jesus truly they're going to care about people outside their church walls
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  including the preborn amen amen and if they and if they truly care then they're going to vote voting
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  is a manifestation of whether our love is real or whether it's fake and we're really actually
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  just self centered not wanting to to offend anyone and thinking what others think of us and if
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  if Christians don't think that that's true if they don't think that it's a matter of their
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  testimony don't worry the secular world out there they watch who goes to the polls and it's a
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  loud and clear to the non-believers of this country and non-believing us to whether or not
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  Christians truly care and whether or not we're really different with the love of Christ so
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  it's people they need to vote and they also need to vote biblically with a biblical worldview
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  on issues whether that are not negotiable whether it's saving the lives of preborn from the new
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  modern holocaust or standing beside Israel they who bless Israel will be blessed those who curse
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  Israel will be cursed our nation just recently has made a terrible decision to betray Israel
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  against their war with terrorism and it's it's it's clearly unbiblical and then we also have issues
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  dealing with the family God's word is clear cut on that there's no negotiation on that and
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  and what he did and in Deuteronomy chapter 22 what he how he deals with the issue of the transgender
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  issue with love and compassion we cannot forsake the truth of God's word we need to be loving and
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  praying for those people who have been deceived against God's word and we need to vote for candidates
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  they're in alignment with God's word to not do so brings condemnation on ourselves for being
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  disobedient by supporting that which is evil versus that which is biblical and accordance with
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  God's word oh my goodness friends if you're watching this rewind that last minute or two and
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  just watch that again and listen to what Brad was sharing preach it brother by the way speaking
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  of the transgender issue we only have three minutes left I believe it was 2018 to but don't
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  quote me on that we worked with you in Wisconsin Pacific Justice Institute we had a case that in the
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  city of Depeer was going to pass a non-discrimination this transgender ordinance and we won you
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  helped us at the Pacific Justice Institute I think Kevin is that his name who's one of these
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  Kevin Snyder but we now have an office in Wisconsin yep and she's just absolutely fantastic
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  doing a great job at yeah there's all kinds of issues like this we're dealing with we've got
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  school board members in Michigan being investigated by the FBI simply because they wanted a separate
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  restroom for transgender kids so boys aren't going into girls locker rooms at the same time with
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  girls and in in restrooms they're being cruelly prosecuted basically up to 20 years behind bars
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  we're defending them through our our Michigan office and I also just want to say there's a lot of
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  kids being taken by social workers now across the country one thing that every parent and family
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  should have David they should download from our website an article called 12 steps to protect
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  your children from CPS or social workers it is critical because so many children now being taken
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  by Christian families who are not willing to to encourage their children into same sex sex acts
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  or gender confusion this is very very important and every family should download it's it's free
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  on our website pji.org and we help anyone without charge from coast to coast by God's grace
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  so over at the website there's a resources tab all kinds of for parental rights for churches
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  for business leaders on religious freedom bread I just I'mma just amazed that we haven't talked
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  in probably a year and a half I've got to have you on more regularly because I really admire
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  your work I love your heart and your boldness and I just want to ask Lord that he will bless you
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  and enlarge your territory even more and protect you from the enemy because I know you're taking
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  the hits I know you get the flack and and but you know what that's a badge of honor in this day
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  and age because we seek the approval of God audience of one right right right absolutely we're to
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  seek the the approval of God not the approval of men and how many pastors in our country will not
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  speak up on the issues of the day as applied to God's word simply because they choose to be
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  pleasers of men and not offend people in their congregation those churches that are strong or those
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  that are faithful to the word of God and we'd love to to work with and serve those churches and David
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  I want to thank you so much for what you're doing on this broadcast getting out information that
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  is not covered by mainstream media so it's a joy and privilege to be on your program I look
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  forward to being on in the future thank you very much we've got you on record saying that brother
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  thank you Brad that's at pacificjustice.org or pji.org will to be continued thank you so
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  much thank you all right friends and again we appreciate all the guests we have on just great
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  perspectives and the work that they do we ask that you at least go to their websites consider
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  supporting the people that just help edify and inform and equip us God bless you and as always
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  keep speaking the truth about things that matter