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One Piece, 363-365 · Spoil Me! One Piece

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This is an unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me, covering One Piece
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episodes three sixty three through three sixty five. Chopper is furious, hogbacks,
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evil medical practices, oars, roars, come out, straw Hat Crew,
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and Lufy is the enemy the Ultimate Zombie versus the straw Hat Crew. In
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these episodes, Chopper decides that he is going to lay a smack down,
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but he really doesn't get to do as much as I was hoping. And
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as far as Lufy facing off with the whole straw Hat crew, it's mostly
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sangy because everybody else is just collateral damage. Welcome to spoil Me. Welcome
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to the show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much to the
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One Piece crew for commissioning this episode. I really like, I do not
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know what to expect going forward, because there have been a couple of jukes
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to the left with the way things have gone, and yet I have been
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able to predict certain stuff. So I'm really interested to see like the direction
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that we go in for certain things. I was really I'm gonna talk about
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like some favorite moments real quick, you guys. My number one favorite moment
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in all of this was oos up making the same assumption that I did.
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We have a moment when Ores is sicked on the one piece crew, and
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the way Hogback has managed him or not Maria Maria has managed him is he
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has taped the wanted posters to Ores' forearm so that he can reference them and
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to figure out who he needs to target. And I was also thinking that
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maybe the fact that Sangie's poster is not an actual photo would slow him down,
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but I failed to think through the way that Lufy seems to perceive human
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beings in a completely like inaccurate way. You guys, there's a there is
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a an snl skits. Y'all. Remember this story about a fresco of Jesus
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in an Italian church and this old lady claims to be like a professional restorer
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or at least to be experienced, if not a professional, and they allowed
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her to restore this like ancient fresco that was like six hundred years old,
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and she made it into this bizarre like I can't even think of like an
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adequate word. There's something like almost dolliesque about how horrifying the face became after
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she handled it. And then she demanded to be paid after like ruining this
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priceless work of religious art, she was like, okay, you owe me
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like seven hundred dollars. So anyway, there is an SNL skit where Kate
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McKinnon pretends to be that woman and they establish over the course of the skit
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that she just doesn't see human beings right, and that's why she painted him
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that way, because that's how she sees him. And she starts to describe
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Seth or not Seth mcfarlums and Seth whatever his name is, the host of
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their weekend Update, and she is describing him in these bizarre terms, and
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eventually he's like, Okay, you just don't see people, right, That's
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what's going on here. And this is what Lufy is experiencing, I think.
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And it's not even like I would argue that despite the fact that he
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cannot see their physical characteristics at all. Clearly, the fact that Lufy was
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able to like recognize Zoro in a way inside the zombie that has Zoro in
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it, and the fact that he's able to recognize Sean you hear from this
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like kind of shitty cartoonist drawing almost makes me want to be like, maybe
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Lufy sees more clearly than all of us. Maybe he can see like right
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to the heart of a person, maybe he can seem like an essence more
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and that the physical just doesn't matter to him the way that it gets us
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all hung up. You know, he's free of that. He's elevated.
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There is something about Lufy that has moved on to the next plane of consciousness
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and he has become more enlightened and can see us for who we are instead
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of what we look like. Do I think that's actually true? Yes?
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I do. I have chosen to think that, So that's going to be
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what I go with from now on. Guys, is that Lufy just fucking
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sees correctly somehow, And if you can prove me wrong, be my guests.
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But I will not listen to you because this is what I've decided.
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So anyway, that moment where he says like, this looks just like you,
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honestly, when he's looking from the poster to Sanji, I was kind
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of like, that poster's pretty close, like I don't know if that's going
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to hold him back, And then he says it looks just like you,
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and I was like, oh my god, I fucking should have known,
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and then there is a moment that I was sort of surprised by because I
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thought that this was going to be an issue for other reasons, and this
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is that he looks at the poster of Usap, who is the Soghi King
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in this poster. He has his mask on. And what I was thinking
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was that Oars would leave Usap alone because Usap doesn't have the mask on when
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he's confronting Oars. But it seems like Oars does recognize that Usap is the
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same guy, which begs the question how he can tell when Lufy himself couldn't
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tell. That was the only thing that I was sort of like, I
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want him to be unable to discover that Usup is Sniper King the same way
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that Lufy was like, for some reason, completely blind to that fact.
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And there's no moment of consideration. When he's looking at his forearm and chasing
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Usup, he sees the so and he just keeps like chasing him, and
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there's no moment of is that the same guy questioning to himself? You know,
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because he talks to himself a lot and sort of second guesses many things.
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And I thought that was what we were going to have, would be
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like some moment of him realizing, oh, I'm chasing a wrong guy.
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But that never seems to happen, and I kind of wish it did,
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because if it were to free up Usop at least from the list of people
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that he thinks he has to target, then maybe usup could have a moment
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here where he is able to like step in and I don't know that,
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you know, he can necessarily take on ors, but he might be able
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to fly under the radar a little bit more and get something done because he's
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not being zeroed in on the same way. But anyway, that is not
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how that goes. So let's start things off with Chopper is furious and we
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get this whole like storyline. Oh my god, you guys, I just
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started playing the video on Funimation and why is it playing an AD? I
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pay the premium service fee and I have an AD that shouldn't be happening.
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This is the first time that's happened. I'm disgusted. Anyway, So this
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storyline with you know what's going on with Oh my god, you guys,
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it's doing it again. It's asking me like to choose my AD experience.
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What the fuck you guys, I pay for this. Oh oh, I'm
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not logged in, okay, Jesus Christ. I was logged in when I
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was watching the show from this exact same browser window an hour ago. But
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I guess if you just want to be a fucking piece of shit, which
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they clearly love being, I am really over Funimation, y'all. I know
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everybody's lamenting the fact that they're about to be pulled into crunchy roll, and
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I'm sure there are downsides to that, but is crunchy roll worse than this?
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Because I feel like that would be a tough thing to do. I'm
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sorry everybody who's come to listen to one piece and not to listen to me
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bitch about Funimation, but you know, things are things. I don't plan
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on certain things either, and what are we going to do? So anyway,
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this, uh, the whole episode centers around the confrontation between our little
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crew, but mostly Chopper with doctor Hogback and with the story of Chin Chinjr.
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Whose name I always start to get wrong. And this is about what
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I was sort of expecting. I'll be honest, but I was thinking that
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it might even be worse than it turned out to be. So I will
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give a little bit of leeway on this. It's uh, let's see.
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Florian says, Oh, I thought someone in the discord said it was on
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Hulu now too. Yeah it is, but I tested it out and I
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had forgotten that Hulu does this. But it loses its spot when I'm trying
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to watch it during a recording, and it will the screen will go black,
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and then when I start to press play again, if I pause it,
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it won't pick up where I left off. It'll like go back to
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the beginning. So as much as Hulu is better for viewing on my television,
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it is not better for recording. So I'm sticking with crunchy roll and
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just watching sitting at my computer, which is not my favorite, but sometimes
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you just gotta do what you gotta do. Gus says, crunchy Roll is
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much better. I'm glad Funimation is getting pulled in. Yeah. I really
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hope that, like, because they I keep being told that it's happening and
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that there's soon going to be one unit, but it's been two years since
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I was assured of that and that has not yet materialized. So pick up
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the pace crunchy Roll all right anyway, So I hope I'm saying her name
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right, guys, because I feel like I keep getting it wrong. Shinjury
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is that you say her name. The storyline with her is about as basic
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as it looked like it was gonna be from the moment they stumble onto that
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secret room, and I was a little disappointed that it was as straightforward as
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it looked, because I was like thinking there might be some kind of more
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of a twist or something. And you guys know that I was sort of
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thinking that it was probably like the perverts room, the Absalom's room, because
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he is such a peeping tom. But I also should have realized that despite
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the fact that he's a major purv, there's no indicator that he is interested
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in going after her. He is full throated going after Nami. So why
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would he be so worshipful and not really like pay her the time of day
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when he's around her all the time, you know. So it just the
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room that they stumbled onto that had all of the like photos of Shinjury when
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she was alive as an actress, and all of the different the articles about
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the accident and everything. That room belongs to doctor Hogback, who was like
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obsessed with her and evidently she was like a really sweet person as well,
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which I found genuinely funny that he Sindry, Sindry, thank you, Florian.
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I found it really funny that doctor Hogback even bothers to talk about her
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being a good person, because he genuinely doesn't seem to really get any He
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doesn't seem to understand what being a good person even is or care. Based
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on the conversation that he has with Chopper, Chopper is just like you know,
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he laughs at Chopper and calls him idealistic and naive even all of this
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stuff. But then he's like, Sindury was so good and sweet and generous
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and kind, And I was like, and why would you care about any
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of that? You just don't seem to give a shit about like morality,
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so I don't feel like you'd value that. And then I started to realize
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that I think I'm supposed to. So this is something that's really insidious,
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and I am going to address it here, and I will fully admit that
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I don't know for a fact this is the case, but I need to
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just put it out there because it was in my brain and made me suspicious.
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So what I had sort of thought might have happened was that Sindury's accident
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wasn't an accident, and that we would find out that Hogback had actually killed
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her explicitly so that he couldn't make her to a zombie. And it seems
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like that's not the case. It seems like it was a genuine accident,
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and he finds out about it and decides to take matters into his own hands,
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and Chopper very rightfully is like, consent much, No, okay.
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But the thing that I had also considered was that he was actively rejected by
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her, and that she was going to be maybe not like an incredible model
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of morality and every feminine virtue. Maybe she was gorgeous and he grew obsessed
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with her, and then he met her and she kind of was awful to
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him, and he was an in cell and decided that because she was awful
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to him, he was going to do what he needed to to make her
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pay, and that he would then enslave her in this weird way as revenge
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for her rejection. And it's interesting because the fact that she is already engaged
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to somebody when he wants to propose to her, he doesn't really present it
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as her being like as so many guys would have just like, oh,
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she wouldn't give me a chance. He was very much approaching it in the
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story like somebody got there before me. You know. However, so often
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and this is a real unfortunate thing, and I feel like we're finally starting
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to get away from it a little bit, but it's definitely still prevalent in
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stories where a woman is victimized by a guy. So often, in order
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to like sympathize with her, we have to make her otherwise like a perfect
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human being, or else the audience will start to wonder if maybe she deserves
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the way she's being treated. And so a part of me wondered if there
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was any inkling for Oda of like, I'll make her less than perfect,
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and maybe he's like, you know, doing this out of a little bit
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of revenge on her. And then he realized, like, oh, people
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might not see how monstrous a thing this is that he has done because they
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think she's a bitch, which is one hundred percent what happens. Like so
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many women out there who are actual victims are seen otherwise as being not great
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human beings, and so everybody just decides it's impossible that they were a victim
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at all. Either they were the perpetrator themselves and they're turning this around and
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just straight up lying, or they somehow invited this and they're getting what they
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get because they invited it, and they are getting what they deserve. And
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I mean, Amber Heard is a primary one for me, and I am
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going to go to my grave saying Amber Heard might not be a great person,
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but she was abused and Johnny Depp is a fucking piece of shit.
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And you can just quote me for a million years on that, and I
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will literally never take it back. And it is disgusting how effective his smear
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campaign was on her, because so many people need a female victim to be
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like perfectly pure in order for her to qualify as a victim at all.
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So I was sort of expecting a storyline that was like a little bit more
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revenge on his part instead of like wish fulfillment, which is what this seems
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to be. And then I started to be like, but there he's portraying
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her as just such a great person, and I was like, oh man,
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maybe that's because like some folks might not have sympathized as hard. I
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don't know. Again, I don't know that that's the thing. I just
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sort of it made me sort of stop and realize that that may be true,
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you know, especially based on like a primary target audience for this show
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would be a lot of like younger men who, unfortunately a lot of the
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times media has taught that girls don't give nice guys a chance, and because
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they don't, they deserve what they get, you know what I'm saying.
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So anyway, I'm glad that it wasn't revenge, but there is something about
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the fact that she was just a saint that I was like, I guess,
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okay, you know, like let's let's move it along here. And
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then we have this moment of the hut Back does this like inredibly fetishy thing
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where he proves his power over her by making her get on hands and knees
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and lick the floor, which is like a huge humiliation tactic and like a
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big kink thing, and it just felt so like this show, you guys,
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it is really filthy sometimes without being you know what I'm saying. And
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it just goes on and on, like there's multiple scenes and she is still
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licking the floor in the middle of the scene and we cut to her occasionally
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still doing it, and I appreciate that it's being done in a manner that
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is like meant to be appalling and get Chopper like so fired up, but
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also just the way it's done, like you know there And this really reminded
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me of The Dollhouse. Have you guys seen Dollhouse? The TV show?
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It was a Joss Whedon show, and it's the kind of show that I
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bet, if I were to go back can watch didn't age well at all,
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but at the time it felt genius. And the whole idea behind it
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is that you can, instead of going to jail for like a longer sentence,
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you can forfeit your agency over your body and allow them to upbload other
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consciousnesses into your body and basically send you on missions where they like use your
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body for recon or assassination attempts or just spywork or whatever, and that means
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a dramatically shortened sentence and you get back like your consciousness gets just put on
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a shelf for a little while your body is used for whatever, and then
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once it's done, your consciousness gets put back into your body and you have
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no memory of the things that you did while they had control over you.
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And it's like initially created as this sort of you know, program for military
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use, and of course winds up getting like co opted in this extremely gross
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way for sex work that is not consensual. Like these women are not aware
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that's going to be part of what they are their bodies are used for.
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And there is a guy who is He basically like puts a particular woman in
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their path because she won't sleep with them and he wants her, so he
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makes sure that she winds up in a position where she has to take this
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deal and then he sleeps with her repeatedly, and like they he winds up
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like taking photos so that when her consciousness is put back, he can torment
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her with the fact that she did something she would never have done. And
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this just really really reminded me of that. And it's a weird like despite
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the fact that Sindri hates him so much and is frequently talking about how much
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she hates him, there isn't as much like attempting to be like Coupily with
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her from Doctor Hogback as I would have expected based on the way he felt
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about her. I was thinking that he might be more like Absalom than with
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Nami than he is, but he's pretty much letting her be his assistant and
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he's bummed that she doesn't like him and always talk shit about him. But
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it's not the kind of like bummed of romantic rejection. It just kind of
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feels like you're being really disrespectful and mean for no reason. What the hell?
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And I'm really grateful, to be honest, that we don't have another
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dude being extremely like gropy with a woman who is unconsenting, because we really
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only need like none of that, and we already have one, which is
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more than I want, So having two of them is overkill in that department.
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But because the storyline is still what it is, whether or not he's
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overtly like assaulting her, it's still so clearly assault what he's done to her
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so far anyway, that it hardly matters, you know. And this conversation
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I found really fascinating because he's like talking about all of this and Chopper is
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he says, because you know, you guys, when we got to this
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island and Chopper was having dinner and he was talking to doctor Hogback and still
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very much idolizing this guy, Chopper, I was like so confused, because
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it seemed very obvious to me that Hogback was the one responsible for the zombies,
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and Chopper just seemed to have no problem with that, And I was
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like, what is your deal, Chopper, Like, I know you're not
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a fool, Like sometimes you're a fool. Okay, I take that back,
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my bad, but like, this does seem like something you should have
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put two and two together. And it turns out he had put two and
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two together. But in Chopper's mind, the attempt to reanimate people these were
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this was like a worthy goal if it were to be used for the sake
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of the loved ones who lost somebody, or for the sake of a person
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who maybe died unexpectedly and had something to tell people and didn't get a chance.
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And so Chopper was like rooting for him in his research because he thought
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he knew what Hogback was like striving for and was willing to sort of be
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open minded about what he had to do to achieve this, even though other
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doctors clearly had a problem with it. And it's unclear to me if they
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had a problem, because they knew quite well exactly what Hogback was up to.
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And I'm going to guess that or if they just had a you know,
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feeling about the taboo of raising the dead, which would also be perfectly
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valid for the record, But what Chopper has discovered is that this guy just
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wants to basically like rule the world and be the master of all of these
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like mindless undead creatures. And Chopper very rightfully in my mind, Hogback keeps
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talking about how he has given them a second life, and Chopper is like,
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they're not alive. They're not alive. What do you mean they don't
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have any free will, Like, this doesn't count as life. They are
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enslaved to you, that's not being alive. And I was like, thank
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you, Chopper, yes you have. You have articulated this really well.
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And this all sort of for me got crystallized a little bit in this.
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So there's the moment where Hobacks like telling them how he reanimated um Sindry and
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he brings her back to life with the shadow obviously, which means that her
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personality is like not the same, and he says something like, but she
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was still beautiful, and frankly, that was all that mattered to me.
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So when they when he issues the order to Sindri to attack, I can
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kill them. She winds up getting like gripped up. First, Chopper like
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charges in and is holding her back, and then Robin chimes in and is
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helping out Chopper by handing him some salt so that they can attempt to get
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Sindury freed from this body. But then what Hogback says, and this chilled
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me to the bone, you guys, is it doesn't matter, Sindury,
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keep fighting them, even if they purify you. I'll just get another shadow.
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It doesn't matter. And that, more than anything else, really drove
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home for me how little who she is is any kind of factor for him.
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It is literally just about her body walking around and that is all he
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cares about. And whether or not anything of her remains is just told.
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It's not even secondary. It's simply not a factor. And the idea that
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like she could go through all of this, her body, go through all
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of this over and over again, while he continues to just take shadows and
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constantly bring her back and bring her back, that is grim you guys.
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Even in Dollhouse, if you died, you died, that was it.
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The body was still a regular human body. Yeah, they had much more
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advanced healing techniques. Because of the technology for the whole setup to begin with,
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so it was a lot harder to get killed, but the human body
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still would break beyond a certain point. And because Sindury is undead, I
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don't even know if I want to say undead, that like it's it's something
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it's not. But her body can just be like used ad nauseum. And
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that's so upsetting, Like I don't know. That really got to me.
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And the look on Sindri's face. We have more than one moment where Sindri
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is being ordered to kill them and she's having trouble moving, And there's one
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point right before she has trouble moving that we see all of these seemed to
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be like memories flickering through her head and it's sort of like part of her
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is still in there and trying to fight back. And then she says she
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sort of breaks out of this frozen moment and she's like, I'll kill I'll
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kill them both. And the way that Chopper and Robin here that is her
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saying that she's going to kill them, I am I'm not convinced that was
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what she was saying. Kill them both could mean Maria and Hogback, you
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know, it could be absalom and and Hogback. I kind of thought maybe
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it was. She had been able to like get clear for a second,
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but Robin misinterpreted it and stopped her, thinking that Sindrew was about to come
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after her and Chopper. I'm not sure if that's true or not. But
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Cindrey keeps fighting back, and there is another point at which she starts smiling,
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and it's like the first expression that she has made that isn't this like
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deadpan, soulless look. And that is the moment that everybody really is starting
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to be like, oh shit. But she doesn't succeed in breaking out from
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his control completely. In this section of episodes, it's been more than one
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attempt, but none of them have been successful. And Chopper, for his
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part, he like goes goes after Hogback, and he is just like,
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I really enjoyed this. Says something about how I don't respect you as a
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doctor anymore because I don't even see you as a doctor. Frankly, that's
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not even who you are anymore. Like you have so crossed the line that
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of course you're just a fucking madman who is enslaving people, and you do
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not deserve the title of doctor, to which Hogback is like, well,
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fuck you, I'm going to do what I do, and that means I'm
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going to turn you into a zombie, and then you are going to work
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for me, and you are going to be so happy to work for like
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the best and most genius doctor that ever lived. And he keeps on talking
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about how he is a genius and everybody else should be worshiping him, and
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I love, love, love when Chopper expresses his like the hope that he
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had originally of maybe we're helping people bring their loved ones back so that they
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could talk for like one last time, we get this bit from Hogback where
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he's like, helping people, I'm not a fucking chump, dude. I
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mean I have tried that. And do you know how relentless it is.
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Everybody was bringing me their sister, their daughter, their brother, their loved
33:51
ones. I just got so tired of it. It was endless, and
33:57
they just wind all the time. And honestly, as much as this was
34:01
fucked up, I could not help but laugh a little bit, because I
34:07
mean, I bet it was endless. You know, if you're somebody that
34:10
can bring people back from the dead and you're the only one who's figured out
34:15
how to do it in the world. Imagine how long that fucking wait list
34:21
is. I love the concept actually of there being somebody who's like a necromancer
34:27
for hire, but they have a wait list that's like seven years out.
34:31
So people have to find a way to preserve the body because they like this
34:37
person can do it, but you have to wait a really long time,
34:42
and you have to put down a hell of a down payment to hold your
34:45
spot anyway, So yeah, he just doesn't want to do this. And
34:52
there's a comic that came out and I think it was written by Elliott Kaylin,
34:57
who is who used to be a writer for The Daily Show, and
35:00
he's on the podcast The Flophouse, and there's this guy who has figured out
35:06
how to utilize a certain type of science to turn human beings into dinosaurs.
35:13
And there's a bit of dialogue where he's talking to somebody who's like, you
35:16
figured out how to do something incredible, and you could be out here curing
35:20
cancer, and the mad scientist replies, I don't want to kill cure cancer.
35:25
I want to turn people into dinosaurs. And that's really the energy here.
35:30
He's just like I don't want to help people. I want an army
35:32
of undead slaves. I feel like I'm being very clear. It's weird that
35:37
you keep coming back to the me helping people think, because that's super not
35:42
what I'm about. Gus says. I think Hogback told them when they first
35:47
got to the mansion that the zombies are naturally occurring on the island. Oh
35:52
really, Oh I didn't remember that, Gus. That he said, okay,
35:57
and that he's researching them to bring people back from the dead. You
36:00
know what, Okay, I vaguely remember that now that he was he was
36:05
sort of trying to suggest that it was like a phenomenon of the soil here
36:09
or something. I think I vaguely remember that. Okay, Yeah, that
36:14
makes sense. So yeah, we have multiple moments of you know, Chopper
36:22
attempting to attack I love this when he attacks Hogback and he's like, I'm
36:30
fighting for my captain, who doesn't need to have like zombie slaves in order
36:35
to make people do what he says. And then we have Robin who uses
36:40
piernifflers and just rises him up on hundreds it seems like pairs of feet into
36:51
the air. It's it's Chopper on his own feet, like his feet are
36:58
being multiplied below him, and Chopper is holding him in like a bear hug
37:04
so that he's up hundreds of feet above the floor. And then Chopper says,
37:10
Chopper souplex, and we see him like bend backward, but we don't
37:17
get to see like the full impact of the thing. We just see this
37:24
the backward bend. We cut to Lufy for a second, and then when
37:30
we cut back into the room, we go away to fucking Oars because of
37:34
course we do. Chopper is just standing next to Robin and there is like
37:42
a crater in the floor from Oars busting the tower up. So the suplex,
37:51
I guess, got interrupted. But I was a little bit bummed because
37:55
I really wanted to see Chopper get to suplex this guy, and I just
38:00
wanted to, you know, like this dude deserves it, and I would
38:04
not I would have enjoyed getting the sea Chopper do his thing, but instead
38:10
it all gets foiled, and I was like, or is his ruining everybody's
38:20
day? He is just out here fucking the whole game up for everybody.
38:27
And Chopper had just managed to like jump off to the side and get onto
38:31
the floor, but he almost goes down through the like hole in the ground
38:37
the floor that's you know, high enough up that he'd probably been pretty injured
38:43
if he landed, and hogback falls on the other side and he gets trapped
38:50
by a piece of falling debris. So I'm really curious if he is gonna
38:54
stay trapped and they're gonna come back to him eventually and he's still gonna be
38:58
there just like waiting for them, or if he's going to find a way
39:02
out and like become a fucking hassle again. But either way, it's time
39:08
to talk about wars. This guy, truly what a pain in the ass.
39:17
Everybody is sort of figuring out that this is the one the zombie that
39:23
has Lufy's shadow in it, and he is using the posters like I mentioned,
39:32
to like locate who he needs to And this entire bit with Sanji is
39:42
actually really funny to me because he is punching at Sanji in a way that
39:51
all of our friends who are sort of off to the side watching this fight,
39:55
they all think Sanji is complete lee pounded into paste, like there is
40:02
no doubt in any of their minds that that's it. That's a rap on
40:08
Sanji, and then it turns out that Ors is just like blindly punching blindly
40:17
feels a little strong, but he is not doing any damage whatsoever. Sanji
40:23
is just dodging him repeatedly, and I was kind of thinking, oh,
40:30
is Sanji going to be able to just dance circles around him. There's even
40:35
a moment as everybody realizes that Sanji is still alive, where we go over
40:39
to Zoro, who looks like pleased to see that Sanji is holding his own,
40:45
which I just have to mention because you know, as we see him
40:50
and Zoro get along so poorly that even their shadows are fighting, which is
40:54
hilarious. And once Sanji sort of seems to feel like, okay, I've
41:06
been dodging him. I really don't have anything to worry about, that is
41:09
when it feels like Ors really begins to like pull it out and do his
41:15
shit, and Sanji starts to be like, oh, okay, it seems
41:21
like the zombie is actually kind of badass. Oh brother, what am I
41:24
gonna do? And he's like able to dodge for the most part, but
41:31
it's a lot of there's there. It's more desperate dodging. It had been
41:39
kind of effortless seeming, and this time it's really like, oh God,
41:44
oh God, until finally Ors manages to connect with him and gets him like
41:52
he's holding him by his body upside down and says something about how he's gonna
42:00
squash him, and Maria's like instructions to Oars was capture them and put them
42:07
on their ship. But if you accidentally, like kill one, that's not
42:10
that big a deal. And so this whole thing is like the moment where
42:22
he's holding Sanji upside down, it seems like basically Ores has given up on
42:30
the I'm gonna keep you alive thing and is purely out here going, okay,
42:35
I'm gonna squash you into paste. That's what's about to happen. And
42:40
it gets interrupted by us Up, of all people, and you guys,
42:50
I really can't with the fact that it takes so much salt to deal with
42:52
this dude. I'm so bummed. Us Up gets a full shot of I
42:59
think like three or four balls of salt into Oars his mouth. It's like
43:07
a lot, and Oars just gulps and looks at him and nothing happens,
43:15
and I can't tell whether or not the salt they give him is cumulative,
43:21
Like I have to assume if they give him three and then they give him
43:28
another three later, it's as if they gave him six at once. I'm
43:31
hoping, and not that they have to give him all the salt at the
43:35
exact same time or else it doesn't do anything, like is it being metabolized?
43:39
I guess that's my main question. But I was just so upset because
43:45
Usap is really proud of himself, feeling like, Okay, I did the
43:49
thing, and it doesn't do anything, and they're all just staring waiting for
43:55
the salt to like, you know, activate I guess they think that they've
44:01
won it's the end of the game, and it doesn't go that way,
44:06
and I was just like, this is super unfair. So the other thing
44:15
is that everybody around who is watching this fight is intimidated by or is his
44:23
size. But they're like, well, eventually it's going to be my turn
44:27
to need to like try myself against this dude. So it seems like Frankie
44:31
and Zoro especially are prepared to eventually have to step forward, but the way
44:38
that they each go down, like eventually Sanji gets knocked out, Zoro gets
44:46
knocked out. Frankie he tries one of his like torpedo things and that shit
44:53
just he dodges it. Or is this like a lot faster and more agile
45:00
than they expect for something his size? And I have got to agree with
45:04
Frankie on this one. That just seems super unfair. It really seems like
45:07
that's the price you pay for being enormous is agility. You just aren't allowed
45:13
to move as fast because you're extremely humongous, and that's just part of the
45:17
package. And the fact that he is fast and quick and has these like
45:22
reflexes when he's also bigger than the building just doesn't really seem quite fair.
45:32
But yeah, so the fight with all of them I'm gonna like back away
45:37
from because, like I said, it basically ends with absolutely everybody knocked out.
45:44
Let's talk about let's you guys. So there's there's this whole thing going
45:54
on with Hilden is that I know you guys have told me this literally every
46:00
time, and I will never remember and I'm so sorry, but y'all know
46:05
the little Cereal mascot. He is flying around trying to find Maria because he
46:13
wants to warn Maria about how Oars is out of control, which I was
46:17
like, it's weird to me that you aren't aware that that's part of the
46:22
plan is to like let him be out of control for a minute, because
46:24
that's going to happen. And he seems to be pretty much like if we
46:31
like even if it is part of the deal that zombies have their own personality
46:37
retained a little bit and then eventually they become completely compliant, that's unwell and
46:45
good, but that's assuming that he doesn't destroy the entire island by the time
46:49
that happens. So you get the vibe that he is attempting to report this
46:53
because he's thinking that the damage is about to be sort of beyond repair.
47:00
And he goes looking a few different places for Maria. So one of the
47:06
places that he shows up is Absalom's wedding, second attempt at this wedding,
47:15
and we get a pretty good bit, you guys, the whole Like so
47:22
Absalom, we have another bit of him attempting to kiss Nami, and the
47:30
way that this goes is again very like slow and tons of build up,
47:37
and he is interrupted by Hilden who flies in and of course lands in the
47:45
exact spot where Absalom's lips are gonna go, so Absalom winds up kissing him
47:51
instead, which results in Hilden calling him a pervert degenerate, which I am
47:59
not a fan of the implied homophobia here, but I think that's correct for
48:04
Absalom just for the record, And there is a pretty like there's something about
48:12
the voice actor for Hilden and the way that they're having him voiced that is
48:19
so endearing to me, And I think it's the fact that Hilden seems to
48:22
basically be a pretty competent person who is in some bad situations that can't be
48:29
helped, but he is genuinely like doing his best. Because when he comes
48:34
in and interrupts the kiss, and of course Absalom is super pissed and then
48:39
asks, Okay, well, why the fuck are you here, Hilden tries
48:45
to be like, well, I've been looking for Maria and I thought maybe
48:47
he was here. And there's like a brief pause before I's like, well,
48:52
do you fucking see him here? And Hilden just goes, no,
48:59
I don't. Maybe he's somewhere else. Then yeah, he probably is,
49:06
Like there's the way he responds, He's not even really defensive, He's just
49:10
like, yeah, I wasn't really thinking fully. I'm sorry about that.
49:15
I drank my dumb bitch juice this morning, and nah, this is my
49:19
bad, and I'll be on my way. And there's something about how sort
49:22
of like he immediately caves that is really really funny to me, because this
49:29
is exactly how I would be I busted and then be like, oh my
49:31
god, I'm so sorry. Oh my god, I'm so sorry to interrupt.
49:35
That is so embarrassing. So he leaves there, and he runs across
49:40
the zombie Zoro and Sangi, who are fighting, and I sort of skipped
49:47
over this bit, but they are fighting in front of doctor Hogback, who
49:53
is like, make sure you kill the others, and they of course initially
50:01
begin to attack Robin and Chopper, and then they start to like get in
50:08
each other's way during the fight as they do, and the zombie is like,
50:16
hey, watch a man, you almost hit me with the strike.
50:21
Well maybe if you weren't in my way, they would be over allready,
50:24
And eventually they realize that they can choose to interpret Hogbacks order, which is
50:32
kill the others as killing each other, and he tries to take his order
50:39
back once he realizes that they're like choosing to interpret it this way, and
50:45
Robin just wraps him up and stops him from being able to speak so that
50:51
he can't take it back. And then she sets him up to be like,
50:57
if we were zombies, you could probably just tell us to like jump
51:00
out a window or something. And she lets him loose just long enough for
51:06
him to say, like, I would just tell you jump out the window
51:09
and end it all. And of course these two hear him say that and
51:15
are like, can do boss, and they jump out the window. Now,
51:21
this is the only thing that I consistently get annoyed with with this show,
51:25
and it is something that is so slight that I'm sure anyone else would
51:30
be like, get over it. And I recognize that, and I want
51:37
to, but it's distracting. And that is how completely arbitrary it is whether
51:45
a certain height will kill you to fall from or not. And this is
51:50
ties in with the whole Like everybody is so impressed that cocrew could basically fly,
51:57
but everybody is six hundred feet in the air performing these karate moves also,
52:04
and I get that it wants to be like fun to watch and super
52:07
dramatic, and that's all well and good, but that means that you sacrifice
52:12
the moments that are actually meant to be impressive, like him jumping from building
52:16
to building with me just going like that's basically what everybody in the series seems
52:23
to be able to do anyway, if they have any fighting ability, it's
52:27
like they can basically fly. And this bit where the two of them jump
52:35
out the window, they fall a long way, And there had been a
52:42
bit when Zoro is fighting Oars where Oars like chucks him into the air and
52:50
Zoro is so high up that I think it's Chopper who's like, there is
52:54
no way he falls from that height and doesn't die, And I'm looking at
52:59
it like, yeah, but he could just not though, because the show
53:06
is just real fast and loose with what's actually dangerous and what's not. So
53:12
like the two zombie Zoro and Sangies, they land and are perfectly fine,
53:22
And I get the zombies are meant to be like resilient, but there's a
53:25
difference between like this cut didn't kill me because I don't bleed and I hit
53:34
the ground from like six hundred feet in the air and didn't break a bone
53:38
or splatter or anything. They're so perfectly fine that when Hilden stumbles on them
53:47
again, they are back to fighting each other, and he has to be
53:52
like, guys, this isn't this isn't the bit like, and he tries
53:55
to get them to tell him what order they were given because he suspects that
54:00
they are going about it the wrong way. But they tell him what the
54:06
order was, which is kill the others and then go immediately back to like
54:10
passionately fighting, and he's sort of like, all right, you know what,
54:15
I gotta move on. I don't have time for this, and he
54:16
leaves them to it. So I guess they fell all that way. I'm
54:22
thinking when they're ordered to jump out the window that it's going to turn out
54:27
they smash themselves up and their shadows go right back into Sanji and Zoro,
54:35
And I did think that was weird because like, part of the fun of
54:37
this I thought was going to be them fighting their shadow selves. So I
54:43
was sort of taken aback, like, oh, are we just going to
54:45
like skip that for them? Maybe it's just Loofy fighting his shadow self that's
54:51
supposed to be sort of the set piece, but it seems like we wanted
54:55
to have our cake and eat it too, and have them jump out this
54:58
window and fall forever. Like it's really emphasized how high up this is,
55:05
but then be absolutely perfectly fine. And like I said, the irony of
55:09
it being sort of juxtaposed with Zoro falling and it being really tense and he
55:15
has to be caught by Robin. I can't get that invested in the falls
55:22
being dangerous anymore because it just seems like if you're meant to survive, then
55:28
it won't be like it's a big fall at all. And I should mention
55:32
that the way that Robin catches Zoro is she uses the you know, appearance
55:37
of hands and make this makes this like giant net around him that sort of
55:43
closes like in a teardrop shape, and it was so creepy, you Like,
55:50
I understand that this is functionally helpful, of course, but there is
55:55
something about it that is so off putting. Oh my god. I think
56:00
it's a combo of like thinking about how warm and soft it would be because
56:06
it's all body parts, which like that sounds pleasant on the surface, but
56:13
when you really think about it, there's something so unnatural about it, and
56:21
also the fact that like when you see it animated, it looks really ugly,
56:27
like, you know, it's all of this tan, fleshy color,
56:31
and it's the shape of like hands repeated can be kind of freaky. And
56:39
overall, as much as I appreciate that she can fly for very short distances
56:45
by making tons of arms and she can make a net to catch him,
56:50
there's another part of me that it's like, you know, don't you know,
56:52
I don't want to see it. Stop it. But anyway, so
56:59
the thing with Hildon, he like goes on, and there's this really funny
57:05
moment, at least to me, where he finally does catch up to Maria
57:12
and it's like I wanted to tell you about this problem because you know,
57:16
or is this really out of control? And Maria is basically like, wow,
57:23
that sounds like a pretty big problem. I guess you're gonna have to
57:28
figure it out. And Hildon is like, I'm gonna what And Maria is
57:34
like, yep, you got this buddy bite and basically like completely bails and
57:39
leaves him holding the bag and I I don't know why, but it's Maria's
57:46
whole thing with Lufy in these episodes, which I haven't talked about at all,
57:51
and I'm like out of time, but I will briefly touch on it.
57:54
Maria is out here bragging to Lufy about how he has this all under
58:00
control, but then when it comes to his own underling, he's just like,
58:04
I'm not doing that, and I was just like, man, this
58:07
emphasizes for me how Hilden his middle management and just like he is competent and
58:14
that's why this shit happens to him. This is the danger of being good
58:17
at your job, is that if you're too good and prove that you can
58:21
like rise to the challenge over and over again, they will just fucking screw
58:24
you because they know you will always get it done. And that is the
58:30
ugly side of having a work ethic. So anyway, Hilden continues to be
58:37
like a weird dark horse favorite for me, I just really enjoy his character.
58:42
He is so adorable looking like his just his whole look, and then
58:47
the vibe that he has in this section specifically of just like being a dude
58:52
who's trying to do his duty. He's doing his best, he's trying to
58:55
get information out there and just continuously like running into brick walls and the job
59:02
being so thankless. I was just like, man, I really feel you
59:06
on this, buddy. I'm super glad to be out of that kind of
59:08
place. Florian says, I love Maria. He is such a boss,
59:14
like a boss at a real job. I mean exactly exactly. So briefly
59:21
the fight with Maria and Lufy, if I can even call it that,
59:24
it's Maria's shadow, you know, but Lufy is like chasing after Maria at
59:30
the start of these three episodes and is really disgusted at the fact that Oars
59:37
is coming and Maria is fleeing, and is like, you're meant to be
59:42
here with like facing off with me, and the fact that you're trying to
59:47
flee is dishonorable. And then he sees Oars and you can see how like
59:54
impressed Lufy is despite himself, and he says some thing about how you don't
1:00:01
have to listen to this guy. You know, you're you could do whatever
1:00:07
you want. But the bond between Maria and Or's is like starting to strengthen,
1:00:15
So there's a moment where it seems like maybe he may get through,
1:00:21
but then Maria is like Hey, I've given you some photos of people that
1:00:24
you need to handle for me, and or is basically Zero's in right on
1:00:30
that, and I love He looks at the poster of Lufy and then looks
1:00:35
at Lufy and it's like I found one. I don't know why that cracked
1:00:39
me up so bad. So then we have like Lufy avoiding him and trying
1:00:45
to track down Maria, who is continuing to just try and like sideline,
1:00:51
Lufy using his shadow, and we have another like bat attack which Lufy uses
1:00:58
gum gum gatling and it's successful this time, when last time it didn't work
1:01:02
at all. Actually, I say that I'm realizing now it wasn't that it
1:01:07
didn't work last time against the bats. Last time he tried to use it
1:01:13
against Maria, and Maria used his shadow to create a bunch of little shields
1:01:17
against it, and that kept him from getting hit. So I guess the
1:01:21
bats are a lot more susceptible to it. But yeah, he, like
1:01:25
Maria, sicks his bats on Lufy and then is like, find me when
1:01:30
you're done, and he runs off again, and Lufy takes care of them
1:01:35
pretty quickly and then turns and begins running after him, and that's most of
1:01:42
the episode is him just like trying to chase down Maria and force a fight
1:01:45
to happen that isn't likely to happen until a bit later because Ores is wreaking
1:01:51
absolute havoc right now, and I can't decide if Lufy's going to like fight
1:01:55
Maria while he still doesn't have a shadow, if he's going to figure out
1:02:00
a way to get through to Oars and maybe turn Oars to his own side.
1:02:04
I don't really see how that happens. But I don't know how this
1:02:07
works. There's also the possibility of like getting more salt together I don't know
1:02:10
how much of it they have, or just getting him to like drink seawater
1:02:16
or eat a salted fish, literally anything salt that could be it. There's
1:02:23
a part of me that's like feels like that's so easy that I'd rather not
1:02:29
go that way, But another part of me is like, well, that's
1:02:32
easy. It sounds easy, but would it be And also imagine like you
1:02:37
manage to purify him when he's in the middle of the crowd, and then
1:02:42
this giant creature just begins to fall. That's like a building collapsing, like
1:02:49
worse than a building collapsing. They really better pick their moment from when they're
1:02:54
going to try and purify him if they do. Anyway, Okay, I
1:03:00
gotta wrap up, but thank you guys all so much for listening for hanging
1:03:07
out with me. This was a really fun section. I'm extremely interested in
1:03:12
what happens to Sindri, especially because she's in there somewhere and I want her
1:03:19
to get free. And I'm really hoping she's the one who's going to be
1:03:21
able to exact revenge on Hogback because she deserves it. Especially all right,
1:03:25
everybody, until next time to the Loom. Motherfucker's That was an Unspoiled Network podcast.