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The Late Debate | 31 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late General, Welcome to the Late Debates.
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  Speaker 2: I'm also going to add banned people who recline their
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  Speaker 2: seats between Sydney and Melbourne. I mean, you don't need
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  Speaker 2: to do it, it's a short flight, or just banned people,
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  Speaker 2: just people. Well, well there there you go. That's what
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  Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand would do. I'm k Leer Bond and Freileach
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  Speaker 2: here as well. Here's what's coming up tonight on the
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  Speaker 2: Late debate. How many teens do you reckon you could
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  Speaker 2: put up for two point two million.
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  Speaker 3: Dollars tax paid dollars, I should say.
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  Speaker 2: Well, an Aboriginal land corporation in Queensland was given two
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  Speaker 2: point two million dollars and just how little they did with.
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  Speaker 3: It will shock you. We'll talk about that soon.
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  Speaker 2: In the papers, Azeo has revealed that foreign spas are
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  Speaker 2: hunting for ORCUS secrets and it's costing the economy more
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  Speaker 2: than twelve billion.
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  Speaker 1: Dollars a year.
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  Speaker 2: And the Spotify playlists of some of the biggest names
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  Speaker 2: in US politics, including JD Vance and Pam BONDI, have
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  Speaker 2: been licked. We'll show you what's getting them going and
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  Speaker 2: even our most listened to songs a little later, but
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  Speaker 2: first what the hell.
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  Speaker 1: Is wrong with gen Z?
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  Speaker 2: Oh god, I mean I say that as one of them.
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  Speaker 2: You've all got something wrong screw loose. So I'm not
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  Speaker 2: quite sure what it is. But according to people working
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  Speaker 2: in HR, they're seeing a weird phenomenon with gen Z
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  Speaker 2: people coming in for job interviews, and that is that
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  Speaker 2: they just want to talk about themselves all the time.
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  Speaker 3: And normally that's what you'd expect in a job interview.
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  Speaker 2: You go in get asked questions like, you know, what
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  Speaker 2: have you done previously in your line of work? Why
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  Speaker 2: do you want this job? Why do you think you're
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  Speaker 2: the best person for this job? All normal stuff that
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  Speaker 2: you know, you've got carte blanche to talk about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: But it's going off the rails a bit when you
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  Speaker 2: start talking about you know, your broke up with your girlfriend,
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  Speaker 2: or you used to be addicted to drugs. But this
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  Speaker 2: is apparently what jen Z job applicants are now doing
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  Speaker 2: in job interviews.
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  Speaker 1: There was a story in.
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  Speaker 2: The news Court papers today about this and they spoke
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  Speaker 2: to a human resources manager, Nicole Mathers, and I feel
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  Speaker 2: sorry for her having to be a human resources manager.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why you took up the job in
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  Speaker 2: the first place. But that's your business. But she says,
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  Speaker 2: I can't get over these gen z as I have
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  Speaker 2: to deal with now. She's quoted us saying, and this
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  Speaker 2: is for a like a group interview situation. This but
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  Speaker 2: she says, I was hiring for a large hospitality client.
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  Speaker 2: They were opening a business in the activity space, so
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  Speaker 2: we were looking for people with very fun, high energy.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of people stood up.
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  Speaker 2: She's asked these people to tell a two minute story
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  Speaker 2: about themselves, so, you know, just a bit of show
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  Speaker 2: and tell, nothing crazy. A couple of people stood up
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  Speaker 2: and told uplifting stories and it was fine. Then one
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  Speaker 2: person stood up gen Z and started talking about their
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  Speaker 2: recovery from addiction. This was really heavy stuff. After that,
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  Speaker 2: every single person did the same.
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  Speaker 1: She said.
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  Speaker 2: It went from tell me a fun fact about yourself
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  Speaker 2: to self disclosure and mental health challenges, a recent breakup,
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  Speaker 2: and the emotional rollercoaster of long term unemployment. And unsurprisingly
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  Speaker 2: it's made that says I'm basis of this gen Z.
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  Speaker 2: Job applicants are missing out on jobs because they think
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  Speaker 2: the interviewer wants to know absolutely everything about them, rather
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  Speaker 2: than just why you're the best person for this job.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are two reasons for this. One is
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  Speaker 2: that gen Z is sort of the first generation that's
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  Speaker 2: lived almost the entirety of their lives online on social media,
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  Speaker 2: and social media has normalized this idea that you tell
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  Speaker 2: everybody everything you're doing at all times. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're posting on social media every day that you
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  Speaker 2: getting your coffee in the morning and this is what
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  Speaker 2: I put on my bagel and.
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  Speaker 3: All this sort of business.
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  Speaker 2: Well, why wouldn't the person in the interview room want
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  Speaker 2: to know that? Which leads me to the second point,
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  Speaker 2: which is that they've spent far too much time on
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  Speaker 2: social media and not enough time actually interacting with people
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  Speaker 2: in social settings because the social media is how they
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  Speaker 2: do their social interaction these days, and so they can't
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  Speaker 2: read a room. They don't know to stop. They don't
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  Speaker 2: understand that other people don't want to know about their
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  Speaker 2: breakup all the time. I mean, sure, if you go
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  Speaker 2: on down to the pub with your mates and you're
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  Speaker 2: having the gossip session, the bitch session, and this is
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  Speaker 2: where we can get it all out and get some advice.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, but you can go to a job interview for
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  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I feel like.
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  Speaker 5: There's also this other element where gen Z has grown
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  Speaker 5: up in a therapeutic culture where everything is therapized. Oh
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  Speaker 5: you're not feeling so great today, Let's have a half
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  Speaker 5: an hour conversation about how you're intergenerational trauma from your mum.
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  Speaker 5: Scrambling your eggs instead of frying them is impacting you today.
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  Speaker 5: I mean genuinely these kinds of conversations that happened among
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  Speaker 5: gen Z and that idea that everything can become a
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  Speaker 5: therapy session. I mean, in some sense, as job interviews
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  Speaker 5: could be very similar to a therapy session. You got
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  Speaker 5: someone across the desk asking you how you are, tell
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  Speaker 5: me about your.
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  Speaker 6: Strength eighty thousand dollars for a fifty minute interface.
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  Speaker 5: It's a much cheaper you to get to talk about
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  Speaker 5: yourself unashamedly for at least half an hour.
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  Speaker 6: I just love this so much, and I reckon, I
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  Speaker 6: actually reckon there is something in this. So A very
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  Speaker 6: alarmed psychologist, it has to be said, wrote a book
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  Speaker 6: about this phenomenon called Raising Anxiety, and I spoke to
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  Speaker 6: her interview on my podcast, and she said that social
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  Speaker 6: media actually does do this. Is the problem with social
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  Speaker 6: media is not just the kind of bullying that can
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  Speaker 6: get out of control, or the unrealistic expectations of you know,
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  Speaker 6: of how you look if you're a girl watching Instagram
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  Speaker 6: models or whatever whatever. But that it artificially conditions the
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  Speaker 6: brain to go after certain responses and to target certain reactions.
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  Speaker 6: And so, for example, like you say, if you're having
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  Speaker 6: a massive sook and winge on social media about how
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  Speaker 6: hard your life is or how amazingly brave and courageous
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  Speaker 6: you were to overcome your addiction to you know, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, you know, chewable marijuana or you know, crystal math,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know whatever it is. But you're going to
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  Speaker 6: get likes for that, right, so people will like, they'll
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  Speaker 6: like it, they won't care. It's just spoiler alert for
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  Speaker 6: anyone doing this. Nobody cares. They like it, and they
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  Speaker 6: just move on. They're not interested in your story, but
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  Speaker 6: they'll like it. And that tells your brain, Okay, well
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  Speaker 6: if I tell this story, then people will like it.
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  Speaker 6: And it reduces it reduces the brains sort of functioning
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  Speaker 6: to these really simple kind of binary options. So it
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  Speaker 6: sort of turns us into computers. It turns us into
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  Speaker 6: the algorithm, and that of course stops you from being
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  Speaker 6: able to read the room and be able to pick
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  Speaker 6: up on cues or to know or even care what
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  Speaker 6: other people want to hear instead of what you want
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  Speaker 6: to tell them, which will elicit the simple response that
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  Speaker 6: you think you're getting. So I reckon there is something
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  Speaker 6: in that.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that's also Like I made the point before,
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  Speaker 2: it's fine if you're down the pub with your mates
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  Speaker 2: having these discussions, but I suspect that young people aren't
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  Speaker 2: down the pub with their mates having these.
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  Speaker 6: I think your mates don't want to particularly hear about it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the one forum where you know, girls do it. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the blokes as well get together and have discussions that
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  Speaker 2: they wouldn't have with women, you know, because it's forum
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  Speaker 2: where you can do it. But young people we know
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  Speaker 2: are drinking a lot less than they are they're socializing,
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  Speaker 2: or at least than they used to.
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  Speaker 3: There's a loneliness epidemic.
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  Speaker 2: You know that for us, the problem you can find
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  Speaker 2: solace in the bottom of a glass.
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  Speaker 6: Is that the right to share a bond circle or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: No, for sure, and that point you made the boy
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  Speaker 5: you made around affirmation Joe is definitely real. There was
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  Speaker 5: a study that shows gen Z need three times more
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  Speaker 5: affirmation at work than baby boomers daily or weekly positive affirmation,
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  Speaker 5: and the number one reason they quit jobs is because
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  Speaker 5: they don't feel affirmed enough. So you're dealing with a
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  Speaker 5: very insecure, fragile generation, which is quite sad for gen
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  Speaker 5: Z really, But look, let's move on to around and
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  Speaker 5: now not as sad as Democrats in the US. If
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  Speaker 5: you were sick of Kamala Harris after the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: four presidential election, you're going to be a lot more.
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  Speaker 4: Sick of her very soon.
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  Speaker 5: Today she announced she will not be running for governor
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  Speaker 5: of California.
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  Speaker 4: Now you might say, well, that's a great thing, no.
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  Speaker 5: More Kamala, But what it does do is leave the
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  Speaker 5: door open for another Karmala Harris presidential run in twenty
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  Speaker 5: eight I know it is absolutely terrifying, she posted today.
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  Speaker 5: Over the past six months, I've spent time reflecting on
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  Speaker 5: this moment in our nation's history and the best way
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  Speaker 5: for me to continue fighting for the American people and
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  Speaker 5: advancing the values and ideals I hold.
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  Speaker 4: Dear, I have.
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  Speaker 5: Given this serious thought to asking the people of California
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  Speaker 5: for the privilege to serve as their governor.
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  Speaker 4: I love this state, it's people, and it's promise. It
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  Speaker 4: is my home.
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  Speaker 5: But after deeper reflection, I've decided that I will not
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  Speaker 5: run for governor in this election. Now she's left open
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  Speaker 5: the possibility of writing for president again, which will be
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  Speaker 5: her third presidential campaign. She was VP twenty twenty, president
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, and potentially again in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 4: And that just makes me go back.
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  Speaker 5: And reflect on all the wonderful Kamala Harris moments we
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  Speaker 5: witnessed when she was vice president.
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  Speaker 1: The children of.
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  Speaker 7: The community are the children of the community. You need
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  Speaker 7: to get to go and need to be able to
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  Speaker 7: get where you need to go to do the work
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  Speaker 7: and get home. I'm talking about the significance of the
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  Speaker 7: passage of time, right, the significance of the passage of time.
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  Speaker 7: So when you think about it, there is great significance
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  Speaker 7: to the passage of time in terms of what we
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  Speaker 7: need to do to see the moment in time in
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  Speaker 7: which we exist in our present.
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  Speaker 4: Wouldn't you just love another four years of that?
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  Speaker 3: What did?
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  Speaker 4: That?
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  Speaker 1: Does?
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  Speaker 5: Make these so excited? But it's also the one year
• 10:03
  Speaker 5: anniversary of the DNC and Kamala Harris's campaign allegedly paying
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  Speaker 5: Meghan the Stallion five million dollars for this performance at
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  Speaker 5: her campaign rally.
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  Speaker 7: Record, every well, come up, you can feel people you
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  Speaker 7: for college people.
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  Speaker 4: They are paying. Why did she lose?
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  Speaker 3: I'm still trying to work out how a woman can
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  Speaker 3: be a Stallion.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm involved in racing. I struggled to get my head
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  Speaker 2: around that. There's only two reasons that she could possibly
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  Speaker 2: say she's not going to run for governor of California
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  Speaker 2: because she still wants to be in the line lighter.
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  Speaker 3: I think. I don't think there's any doubt about that.
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  Speaker 2: And she's previously been electorally popular in California. When she
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  Speaker 2: was first elected attorney generally, I think she sort of
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  Speaker 2: got in by but a is you know what. But
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  Speaker 2: the following election was fifty eight percent I think of
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  Speaker 2: the vote, which is which is pretty convincing, and she
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  Speaker 2: won convincingly when she got into the Senate as well.
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  Speaker 2: The only time she's lost at an election is to
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump. So there's only two things that can happen.
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  Speaker 2: One is that she's so damaged by her run for
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  Speaker 2: president that she's got polling or something to indicate that
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  Speaker 2: if she ran for governor, she wouldn't succeed, and so
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  Speaker 2: she's not going to put herself through that embarrassment.
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  Speaker 1: Or she is dumb enough.
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  Speaker 2: To think that she would have a genuine shot at
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  Speaker 2: winning a presidential campaign. And I don't know how you
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  Speaker 2: could possibly think that you could do it like that
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  Speaker 2: is next level delusion to think that Alulu the Lulu
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  Speaker 2: with no Slulu as the prime minister. One said, But
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  Speaker 2: like to even think that the Democratic Party would entertain
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  Speaker 2: the idea of running her as their presidential candidate again.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a very good reason that Hillary didn't
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  Speaker 2: come back because it would just never work. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how they think it would ever work again
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  Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 6: So I suspect and I deeply, deeply hope that the
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  Speaker 6: reason she's not running is because the Democratic Party has
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  Speaker 6: said we will not support you. You will not got this,
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  Speaker 6: I can only hope. So I don't necessarily think that
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  Speaker 6: that's a foregone conclusion, even though it is so obvious
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  Speaker 6: that you can see it from space, because there are
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  Speaker 6: still some absolute just knuckleheads, just card carrying idiotic morons
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  Speaker 6: in the Democratic Party and largely in charge of the
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  Speaker 6: Democratic Party, which is why you see ludicrous ideas like
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  Speaker 6: AOC saying that she's going to run for president as
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  Speaker 6: that's as if that's going to swing Middle America back
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  Speaker 6: to a Democrat. It's just bonkers in terms of Carmen's
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  Speaker 6: previous success, I mean, California is such a Democratic state.
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  Speaker 6: You could run a can of beans as a Democratic
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  Speaker 6: candidate and they would win. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ronald Reagan
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  Speaker 6: a pretty much only two exceptions. So so I don't
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  Speaker 6: think that's a marker of her electoral appeal. And in fact,
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  Speaker 6: she ran when she ran for president, when she ran
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  Speaker 6: for running the primaries, the primaries in twenty twenty that
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  Speaker 6: Joe Biden eventually won. She came last, She was the big,
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  Speaker 6: hot favorite, and she so completely and utterly screwed the
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  Speaker 6: pooch in her first debate that she was effectively laughed
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  Speaker 6: out of the room and then only became vice president
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  Speaker 6: because Joe Biden needed, in his own words, a black woman,
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  Speaker 6: the character the fact himself of the fact that he
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  Speaker 6: was a white man. And that's that's how cooked the
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  Speaker 6: Democratic Party is. If she if she, I mean, I
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  Speaker 6: found that video actually very triggering. Forgotten Peter just how
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  Speaker 6: hideously bad she was. If she runs for anything, and
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  Speaker 6: if she is allowed, I mean, she's obviously too stupid
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  Speaker 6: and deluded to know what she's going to do. The
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  Speaker 6: Democrats have to step in and make sure this doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: But this is the thing. Polling has come out which says.
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  Speaker 5: She is actually in the lead as the preferred Democrat
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  Speaker 5: presidential candidate. The other contenders of Pete badageeg who was
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  Speaker 5: the Transport secretary under Biden, and then it's Gavin Newsom,
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  Speaker 5: Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania, and AOC at around seven percent.
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  Speaker 4: She's actually well in the lead, probably.
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  Speaker 5: Because she's the only one people know, so if you
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  Speaker 5: pull them, they're just going.
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  Speaker 4: To go with the person they know.
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  Speaker 5: But I actually think those polls have given her a
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  Speaker 5: massive sense of false confidence and this might genuinely be
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  Speaker 5: the start of Kamala twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she can give it a though, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: if the Democrats have any sense, they won't leave to
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  Speaker 2: do it because.
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  Speaker 3: She can't win. She can't win.
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  Speaker 2: Bring on jd Vance for a president because that may
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  Speaker 2: well happen. Now, how would you like to be conceived?
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety four? And born in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: I know it sounds like a strange concept, and I
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  Speaker 2: think this kid has been exceedingly hard done by. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: imagine if you could have been born in ninety four
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  Speaker 2: instead of twenty twenty five, I think you would be
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  Speaker 2: living a much better life. But in this, in this
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  Speaker 2: particular case, it is possible. And this is thought to
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  Speaker 2: be the world's oldest embryo that has been born. At
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: a later date, they're coining this kid the world's oldest
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  Speaker 2: baby because a woman in the nineties in nineteen I know,
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  Speaker 2: it looks pretty good for twenty one years old. But
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: in the nineties, a woman with her husband in the
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: US had been struggling to conceive and was going through
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  Speaker 2: IVF and they froze four embryos. Now she had one
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  Speaker 2: child from one of those embryos, but then she and
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: her husband split up, and in the divorce, she got
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  Speaker 2: custody of the embryos. But presumably, you know, she thought, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to have any more kids with my
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  Speaker 2: ex husband. So these embryos have just been sitting on
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  Speaker 2: us for years and years and years, and they have
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  Speaker 2: these programs in the US. I'm not sure if they
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  Speaker 2: do it here in Australia as well, where you can
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  Speaker 2: adopt an embryo. So if there's an embryo sitting around
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  Speaker 2: that someone is not going to use, it can be
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  Speaker 2: made available to someone else who's struggling to have a
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  Speaker 2: baby or struggling with IVF. So they say, here's the embryo,
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  Speaker 2: go and have the child. Of course it's someone else's child,
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  Speaker 2: but you get to carry it. And so two people
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  Speaker 2: in the United States, Tim Pierce and Tim and Lislie
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  Speaker 2: Peas from Ohio adopted this embryo and they have now
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  Speaker 2: had a child that was conceived in nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, imagine waking up in twenty twenty five and
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  Speaker 2: come to being in nineteen ninety four.
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  Speaker 3: It might be something a bit like this.
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  Speaker 7: This is Commander Gilmour, US Strategic Command and General Bolshevsky
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  Speaker 7: Russian Intelligence.
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  Speaker 5: Russian Intelligence.
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  Speaker 3: Are you mad?
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  Speaker 6: A lot's happened since you were frozen the Cold Wars over?
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  Speaker 8: Well, finally those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes.
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  Speaker 6: Eh, hey, comrades, Hey Austin, we won.
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  Speaker 8: Oh groovy smashing yay capitalism.
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  Speaker 2: Great films they were, but what a novel concept that
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  Speaker 2: you can have a child that was created as an
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  Speaker 2: embryo in nineteen ninety four to day.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think there are a whole range of
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: ethical implications around IVF that we haven't thought through. There
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: are thought to be potentially tens of millions of frozen
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: embryos around the world, because when you're going through IVF,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: you often fertilize more embryos than you need, just in case.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: And what is going to happen to all of these.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Currently people just pay to put them on ice indefinitely,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: but at some point you either have to discard them,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: at which point you're discarding a potential life with its
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: own genetic DNA, its own characteristics. It could become a
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: life if it was actually implanted into somebody, or you
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: give them up for adoption, or you donate it to
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: science for research. And a lot of parents are complaining
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: now that they weren't properly informed of this reality when
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: they started the IVF journey, that you'll have one baby,
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: but then you might have three or four embryos that
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: could have equally been your child and really are your child,
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: And so how we grapple with this and the millions
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: of embryos that are frozen in time.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know, is.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: It just me or is everyone thinking of Brendan Fraser?
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: See no, man like, it's just like, I know, the
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: baby kind of has it. And how do the Catholics
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: get their heads around this, because of course they say
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: that life actually begins at concept.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: They don't.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: This is the problem.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: And so the Americans that they're always up to some
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: weird stuff, aren't they.
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: But there is a deeper issue here of why people
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: feel the need to go through IVF. Of course, there
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: will be people who struggle with infertility, and it's great
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: that they do have a chance now at having their
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: own family. But there's a deeper problem where people are
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: delaying having children because they can't afford to that don't
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: feel like they can when they're biologically able.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: To, and so they're having to go to.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Extreme lengths financially scientifically to delay biology and manipulate nature.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: And that's the deeper problem, Like, let's let people and
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: encourage people to have children when they're able.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: To shorming economy for a baby booming economy.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Well, correct, but I mean we're already in this situation
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: where these embryos exist and people are willing to give
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: them to couples who've struggled to have children.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I don't see the issue.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, the embryo already exists, so there's no further
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: medical work that really needs to be done to make
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it happen.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: It's there one or the other child.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Well, it's just a matter of whether you want your
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: biological child being raised by another couple that you don't know.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: You don't know that that's happening.
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: I know, but you have to because you have legal
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: custody over those embryos.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've given the embryo to so you know
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: But like you, yeah, okay, fair enough, but like you
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: hand it over and say it's okay, you don't know
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: if they're ever actually taken though, like you, like you
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: just you just sign the saying I'm going to release
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: this into that. There'll be no way it'd be the
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: same with like adoptive parents. There's no way that the
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: actual biological parent could ever be told. Oh look, you know,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: you know Lindsay and Tim Pierce from Ohio have just
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: taken your embryo, Missus Jones. So if you ever want
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: to check in by the Old Homestead and see how
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: they're doing. Yeah, but it is just it is just crazy.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: I think babies are wonderful and the more we can have,
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: the better. And in the US, of course, it would
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: actually be far more difficult to actually destroy these embryos
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: than it would be to keep them more to pass
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: them out, because we've got people so crazy about it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: Anyway, let's go back home now to the beautiful, sensible,
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: wonderful country of Australia, which is governed by the wisdom
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: of Anthony Alberanezi. So we don't have any of these
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: huge ethical dilemmas because everything send your letters to mornings
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: at Channel nine dot com dot A. But yes, listen
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: to this. This is a really interesting one. The state
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: government in Queensland is considering a full investigation into how
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: more than thirty million dollars of taxpayer funds to boost
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: tourism on North Stradbrick Island has been spent. Investigation is
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: yet to be officially un announced, but I believed the
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: terms of reference under discussion. After a Queensland Parliamentary committee
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: hearing last week, the State Development Infrastruction Works Committee heard
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: that two point two million was allocated to the Kwonda
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Muka Yuli Burrobee Aboriginal Corporation and yes, I pronounced that correctly,
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: to build thirty six semi permanent tourist tents on Stratgy
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: I believe they call that kids glamping. They really put
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: the glam into glamping.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Well, have a look at them, a look at their
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: actual average cost of each of the tents was more
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: than two hundred thousand dollars.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: The project was eventually scaled back to just nine tenths
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: three at Cylinder Beach and six at Bradbury's Beach. I
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: have no idea where either of those beaches are. But strategy,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: that's right. Ifiguring, if you what from Stralia, there you
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: go local mentioned bring the average cost per tent to
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: two one hundred and forty six thousand dollars four hundred
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: and forty four.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So that value for my nice round number.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: If you like your two, they are you for money.
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: But that is that is that's got to be some
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: pretty nice Tanshh.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Well I suspect they're not that great. Well, I want
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to know where the money's gone. I mean, you know
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: this is this happens all the time you look into
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: these I've tried to look into these Aboriginal Land corporations
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and they exist under a completely different corporate structure to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: the rest of corporate Australia, and it is so opaque.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I've tried to read their annual reports and they're impossible
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: to read. You don't really know where the money is going.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: These corporations are for the most part controlled by a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: handful of Aboriginal people in whichever community it may be,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: that are not necessarily representative of the rest of the community.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And this mob, the Quantum muka Uleburrobee Aboriginal Corporation, have
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: had calls from elders within their community to be put
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: into administration because they're concerned about how this mob is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: being run. They had an independent ordit last year I
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: think it was that found inconsistencies in their financial records.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: And then low and behold, the state government gives them
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: two point two million dollars to put up thirty six
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: tenths and they put up nine at a cost of
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: two hundred and forty grand each.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Can't tell and forty it's not for one thing to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: be precise.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: You can't tell me that there's not something a bit
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: odd about that, and that we should be asking questions about.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: What they're doing with our money.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: And they actually had yesterday like a tourism conference on
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Stradbroock Island and the fellow, the CEO of this organization,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Cabern Costello, he was meant to give the welcome to country,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: but amidst all of these questions being asked, he didn't
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: rock up to give the welcome to country because they
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: said was too ill to show these people in the room.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Well, how are we going to get any answers to this?
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I mean that the money that goes into these aboriginal
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: corporations that we have no idea where.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: It's ending up. This is not the only example.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And I had a look on Google to find
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: out how much a similar glamping tent would cost around
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: one thousand dollars one thousand dollars Online you can buy
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: a glamping tent. There's cost two hundred and forty six
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: thousand dollars. So it really does make you wonder. But
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: here in Sydney, at another popular tourist destination, Bondai Beach
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: and many Eastern suburbs beaches, the Min's Labor government is
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: trialing a controversial program this summer to remove sharknets from
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Sydney Beaches. The mayor of Waverley, a liberal mayor, Will Nemesh,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: has rightfully said Waverley will not participate in this trial
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: unless there are more assurances given around how they're going
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: to protect.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Swimmers from sharks.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: And I have to say I don't normally agree with
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: councils on much, but on this one he has exactly
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: spot on shark nets. Removing shark nets is a triumph
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: of green ideology over human safety. Since New South Wales
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: rolled out shark nets in nineteen thirty seven, there has
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: only been one fatal shark attack at a netted beach
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: in that entire time, and we have millions of people
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: swimming in our world famous beaches.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: They have been a remarkable success. So I truly do not.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: Understand what Chris Mins thinks he is going to achieve
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: by compromising the safety of Australians for what.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: I don't think And again I'm just gonna have to
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: remember because I've written on this and I don't think
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: it's actually mens is in a bit of a jam.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: He so I don't think means in his government actually
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: want to do it. I think what he's going on
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: is that you have greenee counsels who want to do it,
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: or councils where the green have a significant voice they
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: want to do it because there's always a bunch of
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: you know, hippy trip locals who hate shark nets and
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: blah blah blah blah blah. And the state government has said, fine, well,
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: if you really want to do this, you have to
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: nominate just one beach in your local government area for
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: a trial to do it and see how it goes.
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: And then the councils are saying, well, hang on, no, no, no, no,
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: if we do this, you have to give us all
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: these other shark mitigation measures, like state government funded things
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: like you know, I don't know, drum lines or you
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: know those magic pulse things that are meant to keep
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: which and the was saying, well, hang on, no, you
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: wanted to do this, you know, why is it now?
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: So I think it's a kind of stand office to
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: basically who pays for these other mitigation measures. But certainly,
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: I think the only good shark is a dead shark,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: at least a shark that has been gently.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Particularly when it's been battered and comes along with the
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: side of chips.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I think that's.
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, deep pride.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty good version. I don't like that either.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: No, shark finning is really bad. No, I haven't. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: refuse to eat shirts.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: So when you go to the fish and chip, you.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Like, I specifically ask them what kind of fish it is.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: And you refuse to eat it if it's shark.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Yes, because it's not ethical.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: We're not talking about the bit where the fishermen chopping.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: That's a lot of it.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: That's a lot of the flake that we eat is
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: just people grabbing sharks, chopping the fin off and then
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: discarding this main shark like.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: It's like the flesh of the shark eating sharks. Well,
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: may Asian people think that. I think it's like like
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: tigers or rhinoceros horn or tigers has like special qualities
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: and so you.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Can you can.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: This really took a weird turn. Also, chopping the fin
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: off a shark will probably you know, I stop you
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: from being eaten because it will roll around the circle
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: and that is inhumane. I want them dead quickly.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, good morning, which you'd rather be called
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: by a shark or a crocodile. And my answer as
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: a shark is at least can punch a shark in
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the nose. But let's get rid of the next and
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: see the first person chomped bits at Bon Dai Beach.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And I think they'll be back pretty quickly after that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: While we're talking about councils, you'll know a lot of
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: these councils keep coming up with these climate emergency motions.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: There's fifty odd councils in Australia at least.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Who've done it to this point, and one of them
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: is the Melbourne City Council, of course in Melbourne, the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Lord Mayor of which is our great mate at Sky News,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Nicholas Resent, his chief executive, who of course is party
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: to this council that says there is a climate emergency
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and says on its website that you should avoid driving
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: your car wherever possible, and you know, take public transport.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: To ride a bike or walk or whatever.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Presumably Included in that is things like flying on planes.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you can avoid flying on a plane,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: then avoid flying on a plane. It's good for the
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: planet for you to do that. One would have thought,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: not if you are the chief executive of Melbourne City Council,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the climate emergency does not apply to her because Allison
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Leighton went overseas towards the end of last year October
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to November twenty eighth of October to the seventh of
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: November to go to a couple of conferences in Cairo.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: She went to the Global Observance of World City's Day
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: and the twelfth session.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Of the World Urban Forum.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: These United Nations conferences.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Now, look, you can't tell me that in twenty twenty
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: four you couldn't possibly log onto Skype or Zoom or
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: teams or some other thing and watch some people speaking
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: on the other side of the world from anywhere in
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the world. Surely, I mean it costs five and a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: half grand. I'm not that worried about the cost. That's
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: pretty minimal, to be honest, for overseas flights. But just
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the principle of going over for a couple of weeks
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to conference in Cairo, when you didn't have to buy
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: a plane ticket, you didn't have to have emissions put
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: into the air to take you over seas, why couldn't
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: you just sit in your office and watch it online?
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: And World Urban Forum just sounds like the lame version
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: of the World Economic Forum, Like what even is that?
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: But some of the Highlights of the absolutely jam packed
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: agenda in Cairo included sessions on a trans shelter in
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: India helping to foster community and prevent homelessness, very important
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: for the people of Melbourne.
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: Did you say that was on the agenda? Non binary gender?
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Very good?
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: Another one was slum artivism activism in art in slums,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: and the other one was gender responsive urban Mobility planning.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, if the flights weren't a waste of money,
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: the content.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: At the conference sounds like just absurd stuff.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: Five five hundred dollars not to go. Yeah, yeah, you know,
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: here's here. Just take my money, have your art workshop.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: But does artivism work?
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Artivism?
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: And and I'll just be watching Superman on the telly.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah very much.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I mean unless they're all like getting on the piece afterwards,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: like there's gonna be some reason.
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: That makes it work in the good old days, That's
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: what a junk it was for. I worry, like with
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: our little gen zs who just sit there talking about
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: and scared they are about everything that these people just
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: go there and then just like just don't get smashed.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: They talk earnestly liked.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: Response the workshops and listen to each other talk about
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: I've seen these works. It is honestly, you wouldn't wish
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: it on your worst enemy. And I know that because
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: a lot of your worst enemies would actually be It's
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: terrible business exactly. Anyway, speaking of socialism, there's a new
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: plan in the UK for energy bills to be raised
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: for wealthier people, so people with more money to pay
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: more for their energy bill per jewel or killer whate
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: or whatever, so that younger or sorry I should say
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: less well off people can have their bills subsidized. Going
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: to a report in The Times, wealthier families could be
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: asked to foot higher energy bills protect low income consumers
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: as off gem It's the UK energy company, announces a
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: major review of how it allocates the share of rising
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: energy costs. The regulator announced the review to pricing models
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: on Wednesday, with the aim of changing the current system
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: no pun intended, get it current? Yeah whatever. I've been
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: here on week my last night, you know, and you
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: don't even appreciate me. To ensure fixed costs don't proportionally
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: affect vulnerable and low income consumers. The chief executive of JEM,
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: Jonathan Brearley, said, we're asking big questions about how and
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: where these costs are shared, and whether there are better,
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: fairer ways to do it. I'm pretty sure those big
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: questions will get a big answer from some of their
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: or high en energy lose. He says that the launch
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: of this review is the next step in developing fairer
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: pricing for a changing energy system, ensuring more choice for
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: consumers while protecting those most in need. Now, I'm all
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: in favor of an inclined taxation system. I'm all in
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: favor of low income people, including pensioners and welfare recipients,
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: getting subsidized energy bills. But I'm not sure if paying
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: more for your electricity the more you earn is going
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: to fly. I'm just not sure. I'm not sure if
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: this is going to be the magic bullet that sees
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: off Nigel Farage and the Reform Party at the next general.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: El first show, let me apologize for taking a while
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: to laugh at your joker.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I just wasn't sure what you were on.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Oh that's very good, but I'm amped up now, so
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: let's continue on.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I'm actually going to argue in favor of this on
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: one condition, because the reason they're doing this is that
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: they have to pay. It's the same here in Australia.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: They have to pay somehow for the renewable energy transition,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and you know that means they need more power lines,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: and they need wind farms, all this sort of business,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: and that cost obviously gets passed on to the consumer.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: They have to recoup it from the consumer.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to say this is a brilliant idea
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: to get wealthier people to pay higher power bills to
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: pay for renewable infrastructure, because in general, it's wealthier people
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: who can afford these sorts of things who are in
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: favor of building all of this renewable energy infrastructure. So
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: long as they ask the question, do you support the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: renewable energy transition, because that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Means I don't have to pay for it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: But if you want to say yes, I'm on board
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: with a new renewable energy transition and I earn of
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: money every year, absolutely you should be paying more for
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: the bill because you're the one who wants to inflict
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: it upon the rest of us.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: I reckon it's a great idea.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: I think that's a fantastic idea. And the other problem
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: here is they talk about the fixed costs we have
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: that in Australia. With the twenty eight thousand kilometers of
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: new transmission lines, we're going to have to build through
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: prime agricultural land, and no one has thought about how
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: we're going to pay for all of this. It's billions
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: and billions and billions of dollars, but that's shielding and
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: a lot of the modeling that's released by a moh
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: and CSIRO they don't.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Actually account for that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: So at least they're being honest that this is going
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: to cost a hell of a lot of money. But
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: it's interesting you bring up Nigel Fraj. He wants to
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: reopen coal mines in Wales, so maybe that is actually
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: the answer all along. Just use the resources you have
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: in the ground.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: I wonder what Margaret fats you would say about that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you're still around. Coming up next, we'll get into the
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: papers the staggering amount of money we are spending countering
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: foreign spies in Australia.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: That's more coming up radio.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Let's get stuck into the papers, starting with the Australian.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the headline is really interesting, spies hunting Orcus secrets.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: Spy Chief Mike Burgess's worn foreign agents are hunting Orcus
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: secrets amid unprecedented espionage activity that has delivered a one
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: year hit to the economy of more than twelve point
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: five billion dollars. In a major speech on Thursday night,
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: mister Burgess revealed details of previously undisclosed spy cases and
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: released an inaugural cost of Espionage report, highlighting threats confronting government,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: the private sector, and high value individuals targeted by nation states.
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  Speaker 4: This is Mike Burgess.
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  Speaker 5: At the speech tonight talking about the cost to the
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: Australian economy.
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  Speaker 8: Twenty four major espionage and foreign interference disruptions in the
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: last three years alone, more than the previous peak years combined.
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  Speaker 8: They are just the major disruptions. There have been many
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: other cases. Espionage costs the Australian economy twelve and a
• 37:09
  Speaker 8: half billion dollars in twenty three, twenty four, twelve and
• 37:13
  Speaker 8: a half billion dollars.
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  Speaker 5: It's truly a shocking figure. And the other thing he
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: talks about is the unprecedented number of countries that are
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: now targeting US.
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  Speaker 8: You would be genuinely shocked by the number and names
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: of countries trying to steal our secrets. The obvious candidates
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: are very active. I previously named China, Russia, and Iran,
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: but many other countries are also targeting anyone and anything
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: that could give them strategic or tactical advantage, including sensitive
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: but unclassified information.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: It's shocking and while we're receiving this data and the
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: facts about the unprecedented levels of espionage against Australia where
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: spending a pitiful two percent of GDP on defense, I mean,
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: it is so clear that our government is completely out
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: of step with the strategic circumstances that they themselves admit
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: are the most tense and the worst since World War Two.
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: It's like, what are you doing that?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: They know they're here, because AZO is telling us that
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: they're here and they're working, and they know that they're
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: getting information to the tune of hurting us by twelve
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: and a half billion dollars a year.
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: So what are we doing about it?
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Well, this is the thing. So obviously spycraft is a
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: very delicate and delicate thing. So all these people we
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: showed Austin power. So almost all these people who are
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: actually physically in Australia would have diplomatic immunity. They would
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: be basically embassy staff. Officially, they would have an official title,
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: and they would be doing this other stuff. On the side,
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: you'd have other people who are doing stuff from China
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: and doing everything remotely and digitally, and so it's an
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: ASIO can again also know that these things are happening
• 39:07
  Speaker 6: without necessarily being able to prove that they are happening.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: And of course, even if they can prove that they
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: are happening, if the person doing it has diplomatic immunity,
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: then they can't actually be prosecuted. And that that is
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: a part of a kind of vast diplomatic web of
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: which everyone is kind of a part. And so our
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: people have diplomatic community in China, and so if we
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: go after theirs, there's going to be reciprocity and suddenly
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: we're rounded up and expelled or arrested. But funny thing
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: I just noticed the other day ASIOS launched, it has
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: doing a big recruitment drive. I know this usually sound
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: sounds like what I usually say when we're about to
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: throw to a joke clip, but they actually are doing
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: ads now and saying, oh, do you like problem solving
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: and working in teams and why not? Why not join ASIO?
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: So they're obviously reckoned. They might need a bit more
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: manpower in the years ahead, what person power? So non binary,
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: non gendered human, yes, and power is a bit hierarchical, but.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Will will will work that out.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe they need to get Blue involved because on the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: front of the Herald's Son Tomorrow, it's his dog act
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: ABC Hammer's Blueing And you know, if you appear to
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: a grand parent, I'm sure you.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Are well aware of Blue.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: His family's infuriated after Auntie. That's the ABC of course,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Paul's popular episode from TV due to Bunning's gnome chromo.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, so I suppose the issue is that it's
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: they can't have advertising. I mean, for goodness, should they
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: can make it a caption for blueing Blue.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: He had a Bunning's gnome in it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: That's not an ad.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Surely that's a.
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: Cultural Well what are three year old is going to
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: go out to Bunnings and say, oh, I saw this
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: gnome on bluey.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: Mom, can we get it Bunnings.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: You know, if you watch ABC and you watch it carefully,
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: this is how I mean. It's really focused on the
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: big issues. But they will cut you. You're not meant
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: to wear clothes that have any sort of branding on them,
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: So you shouldn't be wearing like a rip curl T
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: shirt or whatever they say to wear only playing clothes.
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: You can't see any labels or brands on it. And
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: if you look at people's computers and abaca have a
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: look neck tone, but they you'll always recovered. So even
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: the Apple logo has to be covered because they don't
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: like that, and they're sort of a bit of wiggle honestly,
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: I just I think it's really the biggest problem.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: Anyway, we've got Chinese spies up our wazoo.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Another story on the front of the Herald Sun.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow King Hit, hundreds of police are expected to be
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: dragged away from core duties to head off a protest
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: planning to blockade a city bridge this Sunday. A showdown
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: is looming between the Force and the Free Palestine Coalition
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: over its threat to block King Street Bridge, a key
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: north south route which would which could sorry affect the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: movement of emergency services vehicles. Police have no intention of
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: letting protesters close the bridge, and anaw should they. I mean,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: you know, it's the same discussion we're having in New
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: South Wales about the Sydney Harbor Bridge, which is this
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: same equivalent mod than New South Wales what to do
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: on the weekend, and the Premier said, no, you can't
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: do it, and you're saying, well, we're going to do
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: it anyway.
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: I have no problem.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with protest. You have a democratic
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: right to protest. But what you don't have a democratic
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: right to do is to disrupt the rest of us
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: going about our everyday lives. Protest in a park or someone,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I don't care, just do it somewhere that doesn't stop
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: everyone else from doing what they would otherwise be doing.
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: Simple. Obviously, Premier christ Men's freedom fighter and patriot has
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: said the protesters cannot protest on the Harbor Bridge and
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: will not be allowed to. And I'll tell you why.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: If the protesters do try to block pack traffic on
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: the Harbor Bridge, the police will be the least of
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: their worries. Sydney motorists are very very quick to answer problem.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: But let's see, because they also said they wouldn't get
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: down to the Opera House steps on October ninth, and
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: they did. And we know that when you're confronted with
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: a huge mob. The Victorian police have said it themselves
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: before that they're scared of the protesters, and they don't
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: have the man power to actually take on a crowd
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: of potentially thousands of violent, angry protesters. So this will
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: be a real test of not only the police but
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: the political leadership. Are they willing to actually stand up
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: because it might get ugly?
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: That will and I think the embarrassment and the mortification
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: to what happened at the Opera House is a large
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: part of the region. Why means and the police have
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: been so strong ever since. Anyway, onto the mighty Daily Telegraph,
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: which I suspect is also not in favor of the
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: protest on Sunday, and we've got a fantastic front page.
• 43:42
  Speaker 6: The pick splash is a young lady you might have
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: you all know Princess Mary of Denmark. Well have you
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: heard of Princess Ingrid of Norway? This is Princess Ingrid
• 43:53
  Speaker 6: Alexandra of Norway on her eighteenth birthday, and she's also
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: carrying a box of wine. On the inset there less
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: glamorous but more practical box of wine to her accommodation
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: at the Universe, the University of Sydney, and again carrying
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: a box of wine. Woman after my own heart it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: our party, Recess reads the Splash. Head of the Throne
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: of Norway kicks up her heels in Sydney. So she's
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: studying at Sydney Unie a great educational institution. Got some
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: good friends have worked there. Not quite as good as
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: University of Melbourne obviously.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: But look, but I think that the number one question
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: on many people's lips, men's lips will be issue single,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: especially if they're going to use it, because it should
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: be a good prospect.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: Mine wouldn't be. Is that wine taken? And then this
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: especially splash, Trump says the Bailey Telegraph twenty world leaders
• 44:44
  Speaker 6: meet Don but not albo Oh, that's unkind James willis
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: friend of the show, good friend of mine, plus Rory
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: Williams more of a strong, warm acquaintance Rory. But he
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: has held meetings with leaders everywhere from Japan to Jordan
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: named my ex girlfriend and India to Ireland. But US
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: President Donald Trump is yet to hear a peep from
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: Anthony Albanesi. The Prime Minister has been accused of deliberately
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: avoiding mister Trump as Australian officials seek updates on the
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: Major Orchestral while bracing for impact on looming export tariffs
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: from the US.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: Look two points, Joe.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: One.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: You should have known that relationship was going to go.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So you're dating a woman with a bloke's name and
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: really going to get angry at And now we've found
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: out that Donald Trump's met with the leader of your
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: ex girlfriend on alban Easy.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: Isn't that good after the break?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the top songs on your Spotify
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: are like, but someone has managed to locate Spotify accounts
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: of Jade Vans, Pam Bondi and a bunch of other
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: people has published what their favorite songs are. We'll tell
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: you what they are soon, and ours as well. Now,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: your music playlist can be really intimate thing, because sometimes
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: there's stuff you listen to in private that you don't
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: want other people to know you're listening to, the songs
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: you sing in the shower and whatever. But it turns
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: out that a lot of Spotify playlists. I'm sure you
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: know what Spotify is, music streaming service. Spotify accounts are
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: publicly available in many cases, and so one bloke has
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: dedicated a couple of years of his life to scraping
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the internet to find the Spotify accounts of famous people,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: including political figures, and he's uncovered JD Vance and Pam Bondi,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: and he's published a website where he tells us what
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: these people are listening to, and some of it is
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: quite illuminating. JD Vance, for instance, has a playlist called
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Making Dinner, which includes the Backstreet Boys, I Wanted That
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Way and One Time by Justin Bieber. He has also
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: got a play that is called Gold on the Ceiling.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: It's got one direction in it, daft punk, on and
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: on it goes Pam Bondie. She's got an interesting mix here.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: She's got a bit of.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Nearly in there.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Foreigner Adele gets her unsoleene A Gomez turns up twice,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: little mix the Peas and then well you can't beat it.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Rick Ashley never gonna give you up. You just got rickrolled.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: But what's what's so she rickrolled herself.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Rolls herself on the.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: And it's just the play this she is called Pam.
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: Which is you know, she knows how Spotify were.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: No, probably not, but we we're going to reveal in
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the interests of transparent our own lists now.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: Freya, Okay, so my list is a bit weird. It's there.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: You can see it up. It's a mixture of Christian
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: pop music. Is Hurricane was Israel's entry to Eurovision, A
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: bunch of Israeli songs. I don't speak Hebrew, I have
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: no idea what they're saying, but I like listening to.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: It very well. It's jeez.
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: So that's that's my top listen to songs of twenty
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: twenty four.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I can't believe because we're meeting every day and
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: justau's what we're going to talk about on the show.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: And I said, on this call today, you won't believe
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: what's at the top of my list.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: And I said, it's Whitney Houston all the ones. And
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: you said, that's embarrassing.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Now we've seen.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Your list, I don't think you can roast it. But well,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: so much. It's just that when I listened to classic event,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: it doesn't turn up in this. They're going to be
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: a Whitney Houston. But developing John Chuey Lewis and the News.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: God and Marcia Hines.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: We got some problem.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I know Marshall watches the show as well, so good
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: good evening, Masha if you're watching, But.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Some good I was in music.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: What about you.
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: Believe it or not, Caleb, I have actually got something
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: in common with Freyer because my list and this is
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: on the Apple thing, the Apple Music, because I don't
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: have Spotify's. I'm an old man. I don't know how
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: it all works. But I also have Benson Boom who.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: But this is all this my.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Kids stuff kind of likely.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Story.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I can't gardis full of it anyway. Thank you, Thank
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: you Joe for stepping in for three weeks on the show.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: James Person will be.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Back on Monday. Thank you for joining us. Thrip Panning
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: shows up.