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Pointing Out the Facts · Boozy Banter with Friends

• 0:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello, and welcome to boozy banter
• 0:20
  Diane Black: with friends.
• 0:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm Leyla.
• 0:22
  Trisha Smith: I'm Trisha.
• 0:23
  Diane Black: I'm Diane,
• 0:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Grab your favorite spirit and join us because shits about to get real.
• 0:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello,
• 0:38
  Trisha Smith: Hi.
• 0:39
  Diane Black: Hi.
• 0:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: How's everyone doing
• 0:43
  Trisha Smith: Good,
• 0:44
  Diane Black: Good doing great.
• 0:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well,
• 0:47
  Trisha Smith: Well,
• 0:48
  Diane Black: Well,
• 0:48
  Trisha Smith: I made a detour, a couple weeks ago to a local brewery called side word, Sideward Brewery. I keep wanting to call it sidebar. Like it's some kind of lawyer Hangout.
• 1:08
  Diane Black: It could be,
• 1:09
  Trisha Smith: It could be but it's Sideward Brewery. And I picked up a bunch of things and we're kind of doing some taste tests now and it's really good.
• 1:19
  Trisha Smith: And I'm having their cider just they're having it's just says on the can cider five times so you don't forget what it is.
• 1:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: What are you drinking?
• 1:30
  Trisha Smith: Cider. See, I didn't forget. But I also picked up some pineapples seltzer which
• 1:39
  Diane Black: Yes,
• 1:40
  Trisha Smith: They're indulging in right now.
• 1:42
  Diane Black: Yes, I am drinking the pineapple seltzer and I added a splash of again, going back to one of our favorites.
• 1:52
  Diane Black: The City Gates Distillery out of St. Augustine. Their Pineapple Rum.
• 1:57
  Trisha Smith: I splashed too with that.
• 1:59
  Diane Black: Yeah, it's good, right?
• 2:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's not the only thing you splashed in there, though.
• 2:03
  Trisha Smith: No, we only added the pineapple rum. But Diane likes to be fancy.
• 2:09
  Diane Black: Yeah, it was a,
• 2:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: Watermelon Margarita.
• 2:12
  Diane Black: Correct.
• 2:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: Premade.
• 2:16
  Trisha Smith: So watermelon Margarita, pineapple seltzer, and a splash of pineapple rum.
• 2:23
  Diane Black: Yes. And it's very summery. Cheers
• 2:27
  Trisha Smith: It like it.
• 2:27
  Trisha Smith: Cheers.
• 2:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes. concoction.
• 2:30
  Diane Black: Yes. It's really good.
• 2:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: I believe you.
• 2:33
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 2:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: I just have the plain old pineapple seltzer with the City Gate's Pineapple Rum.
• 2:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: And that's still good.
• 2:40
  Diane Black: Cannot go wrong with the City Gates.
• 2:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: They really have become my favorite.
• 2:45
  Trisha Smith: They are.
• 2:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: With that Pineapple Rum.
• 2:49
  Diane Black: What was that other one Trisha that you had with the first one. We went to St.
• 2:51
  Diane Black: Augustine,
• 2:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: tropical,
• 2:54
  Trisha Smith: tropical
• 2:55
  Diane Black: Tropical Rum with the champagne. off the chain.
• 2:58
  Trisha Smith: It was good.
• 2:59
  Diane Black: Oh, my
• 3:01
  Trisha Smith: Good stuff.
• 3:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: All right. Let's get into it.
• 3:04
  Trisha Smith: I know what you got for us today, Diane?
• 3:07
  Diane Black: Well, you know, on our trailer, we talked about people that we have that listen from all these different states.
• 3:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
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  Diane Black: You know, and so I was like Ohio. We have a lot of listeners from Ohio.
• 3:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: We do.
• 3:23
  Diane Black: And I'm like, what's going on in Ohio? Why is there such a high percentage of listeners? Well, they have a huge amount of hauntings and supernatural, like even more than Florida.
• 3:37
  Trisha Smith: Really?
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  Diane Black: Uh huh. So as I was browsing through some of their locations, I came across werewolves. And I am like, I got, I got it.
• 3:54
  Unknown: I got it. I gotta find out more about this,
• 3:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: About werewolves.
• 3:58
  Trisha Smith: In Ohio.
• 3:59
  Trisha Smith: Are they like the Bigfoot of the Pacific Northwest?
• 4:04
  Diane Black: I will tell you,
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  Trisha Smith: Oh, fill us in, fill us in.
• 4:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: American Werewolf in
• 4:08
  Trisha Smith: Ohio.
• 4:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: All right, lay it on us.
• 4:14
  Trisha Smith: So what I found through my research is there's one particular town that has had these sightings, and it's located in Northwest Ohio. It's a teeny tiny picturesque town called Defiance. Now, the name of the town in and of itself, I found a little like, Oh, you know, like,
• 4:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: Is it Wolf Bane, Ohio
• 4:39
  Diane Black: No, it's Defiance.
• 4:39
  Diane Black: Do you, remember that movie, Defiance?
• 4:48
  Trisha Smith: No
• 4:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: No
• 4:49
  Diane Black: So that's the one about Georgia where they were like, I can't remember who was in it. And it was about incest.
• 4:58
  Diane Black: And no, that was, Deliverance.
• 4:58
  Diane Black: Never mind.
• 5:00
  Trisha Smith: And that wasn't about incest.
• 5:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh my god.
• 5:08
  Diane Black: No mind backtrack.
• 5:10
  Trisha Smith: Deliverance was one of the worst movies I've ever seen, like it's made me never want to go whitewater rafting, ever.
• 5:19
  Diane Black: I know. That's why when I was like defiance, I don't know I saw deliverance in my head. But two different, two totally different
• 5:31
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow, we're off to a smashing start.
• 5:35
  Diane Black: So just going backwards. So the town is Defiance,
• 5:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Defiance
• 5:42
  Diane Black: Yes. little teeny tiny town with a population of 1,700 people, but its origin date all the way back to the 18th century. The first occurrence was in summer of 1972. And all of a sudden everybody knew about, Defiance Ohio,
• 6:04
  Trisha Smith: 1972
• 6:06
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 6:07
  Trisha Smith: That's the first time?
• 6:09
  Diane Black: The first reported,
• 6:11
  Trisha Smith: I think somebody,
• 6:12
  Diane Black: The first reported sighting,
• 6:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: 70's
• 6:14
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, I know.
• 6:14
  Trisha Smith: Right? So he's on drugs.
• 6:17
  Diane Black: No, you always think it's the drugs. Here I'm gonna tell you what,
• 6:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: We do always think it's the drugs, given the time period,
• 6:25
  Diane Black: It's got to be LSD.
• 6:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: Make sense.
• 6:29
  Diane Black: So okay, all of a sudden this event was reported now you had all these monster seekers that you know flooded the area, local reporters and looking for this shape, shift.
• 6:44
  Trisha Smith: Shape Shifter,
• 6:45
  Diane Black: Thank you. shape shifting Werewolf in the midst.
• 6:49
  Trisha Smith: Okay,
• 6:50
  Diane Black: So thankfully the beast did not stay around too long. But from July to August of 1972. The They call him the man
• 6:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: Werewolves.com beast. He was seen many multiple times. So as a result again, the town you know, quickly became under siege. Children were kept inside after school immediately.
• 7:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: home from school. Inside, locked the doors. The local police carefully combed the neighborhoods by day and night.
• 7:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, I didn't say where I found most of my information. So most of it comes from a website that I have used a lot. I think
• 7:39
  Diane Black: No, mysterious universe.
• 7:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh,
• 7:42
  Diane Black: Have you used them?
• 7:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: No,
• 7:43
  Diane Black: Okay. I use them a lot. It was actually that, the carnivorous cloud?
• 7:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, that's shocking.
• 7:52
  Diane Black: They had this story about that. And Tom. Tom.
• 7:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, yeah. Good old science teacher Tom. Yeah, very credible.
• 7:59
  Diane Black: Uh huh. Well, this article is written by Nick Redfern. And this is from 2020.
• 8:02
  Diane Black: So I do want to give credit where credit is due. So the first account, the first account encounter occurred on July in the early hours of the morning, a very unfortunate soul who came face to face with this creature.
• 8:22
  Diane Black: He was a railroad employee. He worked the early morning shift.
• 8:27
  Diane Black: And as the man was switching a train to another track, this was on the Norfork Western railroad.
• 8:31
  Diane Black: It's located in the area of Fifth Street and Swiff. He's suddenly, he was confronted by a very large, he just said, humanoid figure and it apparently been stalking him in the shadows,
• 8:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: That poor unfortunate soul. So sad,
• 8:56
  Trisha Smith: I'm waiting for you to say it spewed on him or something.
• 9:01
  Diane Black: I'm sure it's coming. So this humanoid as he described, in his words, he was dressed in ragged clothing, covered in dark hair, and with a face that closely resembled that of a wolf or a German Shepherd.
• 9:16
  Diane Black: The man was rendered frozen, and he was overwhelmed with terror.
• 9:27
  Diane Black: Then it gave this beast, he showed us fangs, and he had a large brick in his paw. So he's standing on two legs and he was holding a large brick. So he then used it to pound the man down to the ground, and the man became hysterical, which startled the beast, and the beast ran off, into the darkness.
• 9:58
  Trisha Smith: He didn't expect somebody to get upset that he was being pounded into the ground with a brick.
• 10:05
  Diane Black: I guess he wasn't expecting his response. I don't know. But so he ran off into the darkness. And now the victim was shaken, right? He was shaken to his core. He was curled up in a ball. And then there was something else too,
• 10:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: What?
• 10:22
  Diane Black: The night of the attack was.
• 10:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: All full moon.
• 10:26
  Diane Black: You got it! Ding ding ding ding. Yes. It was a full fucking moon.
• 10:32
  Trisha Smith: I think somebody was high and had their wolf mask on.
• 10:38
  Diane Black: No.
• 10:40
  Trisha Smith: Wait, wait. What month was August?
• 10:43
  Unknown: August? Yes. No, July sorry, July July 25. Right. So,
• 10:49
  Trisha Smith: Delilah. Oh, my goodness.
• 10:52
  Diane Black: See, she's like,
• 10:53
  Trisha Smith: She's like,
• 10:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: She's representing people.
• 10:58
  Diane Black: represent.
• 11:00
  Diane Black: Wolf pack! Right there. She knows.
• 11:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: Represent canines everywhere.
• 11:15
  Diane Black: Alright,
• 11:15
  Leyla Zmeskal: okay,
• 11:16
  Diane Black: So what happened?
• 11:16
  Diane Black: What happened then was another railroad employee, including Tom Jones, and Ted Davis.
• 11:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know either of them.
• 11:30
  Diane Black: They also have tales to tell. So according to Davis, back in August, because of the first event was July 25.
• 11:40
  Diane Black: Now we jumped to August 2. He was connecting the air hose between two cars. He was looking down and he saw a huge pair of hairy feet. He looked up and he was standing there. He was standing there with that big stick over his shoulder. And he's these this him saying, quote, when I started to say something he took off into the woods. So Jones quoted that he took off as far as he could see, and then he ran out of sight. He also described the beast as being woolly.
• 12:25
  Trisha Smith: What?
• 12:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: Woolly
• 12:26
  Diane Black: Woolly, Woolly.
• 12:26
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 12:28
  Trisha Smith: Like a lamb?
• 12:29
  Diane Black: Woolly hairy. Oh, wooly. Yeah, so the local media was at least partly responsible for the growing controversy.
• 12:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: No, the media.
• 12:40
  Diane Black: Can you believe that?
• 12:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: The media fulled the frenzy?
• 12:42
  Diane Black: Can you believe it?
• 12:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: Media would never feel any frenzies of nothing.
• 12:47
  Diane Black: I know. Well, the media they thought it'd be really cute A week later to. On August 2, the city's Crescent News ran an article titled, Horror Movie Now Playing On Fifth Street.
• 13:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: I though you said whore movie.
• 13:04
  Diane Black: Horror.
• 13:04
  Diane Black: I probably did a horror movie, horror, horror movie now playing on Fifth Street, which was a reference, direct reference to the two attacks, right. And then one day later, which would have been August 3,
• 13:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay.
• 13:23
  Diane Black: For those of you following along, the newspaper ran a second article. Wolf Man reports persistence. So here's the media now feeding in to all that which. Anyway, I won't comment. The shadow of the Wolf Man stalked Defiance again last night. August 3 was also the date on which yet another report was made this time on Dietrich in South Clinton Street. I'm not sure where that is
• 13:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: That whole neighborhood right there.
• 13:55
  Diane Black: Right. But the people of Defiance, you know exactly what I'm talking about right there. On Dietrich, and South Clinton Street. A single witness, a man was making his way to the Henry Hotel about 1am. When he developed a deep and unsettling feeling in his gut. He felt like someone was following him. So such was his level of terror after he ran to the police station. He spent the rest of the night in the hotel lobby because he was fearful of what might be waiting for him being in the know about the stories of the Wolf Man. So,
• 14:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Why did he stay in the lobby? Why do you just go to his room?
• 14:38
  Diane Black: I don't know. I don't know. But I'll try. I'm on it. I'll try it. Okay. And the answer to that. So should he dare to venture outside into the darkness of the city? He was like, No, I'm not. I'm staying here. On August 4, yet again, the media ran another article.
• 14:58
  Diane Black: Making fun of, you know, the Wolf Man. So the Toledo, Ohio, Toledo, Ohio based that I mentioned that defiance was about 45-50 minutes outside of Toledo.
• 15:14
  Trisha Smith: No, but I just looked it up.
• 15:18
  Diane Black: Yeah, so um, so not too far outside of the bigger city. The title of the article reflected the police's attitude towards the reports, the city the size of Defiance, it didn't take long. After all before just about everyone heard of the crazed werewolf in the midst. So they were kind of, Pooh poohing, the stories and kind of making fun of the individuals who had reported these experiences.
• 15:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: No.
• 15:48
  Trisha Smith: Well, considering the last guy didn't really see anything. He's like, oh,
• 15:53
  Diane Black: He saw the hairy feet. And he looked up and he saw,
• 15:57
  Trisha Smith: The guy in the hotel?
• 15:58
  Diane Black: Yeah, he ran to the hotel,
• 16:00
  Trisha Smith: But he didn't see anything. He saw walking.
• 16:02
  Diane Black: He saw the hairy feet.
• 16:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: No, I thought that was one of the train, guys,
• 16:05
  Trisha Smith: Train guy, the hotel guy that didn't even go to his room.
• 16:09
  Diane Black: You're right,
• 16:09
  Trisha Smith: And see anything.
• 16:09
  Trisha Smith: He just had a weird feeling.
• 16:11
  Diane Black: Because he was connecting the air hoses and he got a weird feeling that he was being watched,
• 16:15
  Trisha Smith: And he just is running all over town. like crazy, high person.
• 16:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: Not drunk because no one's running when they're drunk.
• 16:27
  Diane Black: Right.
• 16:29
  Diane Black: Well, so let's follow after.
• 16:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: Alright, we're following.
• 16:34
  Diane Black: So one woman, okay, her home backed up to the railroads. She was someone very keen to speak to the police when the word of the potentially deadly attack got around.
• 16:47
  Trisha Smith: Did somebody die already?
• 16:49
  Diane Black: Well deadly attack?
• 16:49
  Diane Black: Remember, he had a brick and he beat the guy.
• 16:52
  Trisha Smith: Did he die?
• 16:53
  Diane Black: No.
• 16:54
  Trisha Smith: Well then,
• 16:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: Near deadly,
• 16:56
  Diane Black: Potentially, potentially deadly attack,
• 16:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Mostly.
• 17:00
  Trisha Smith: Almost.
• 17:01
  Diane Black: So for three nights running, the woman and formed a police. She was woken up by the sound of someone violently turning back and forth, the knob of her front door. Someone or"air quotes" something, was trying to get in the house is what she said. And of course, it could have been a burglar. It could have been, except for one thing. On each occasion. A low and disturbing growl was heard directly outside of her front door.
• 17:35
  Trisha Smith: Maybe they have a dog with them. He is a neighborhood stray,
• 17:39
  Diane Black: Twistin the handle of the door. Maybe, Maybe, Could of been pawin at it.
• 17:43
  Diane Black: Right. So the police chief he, the town was in disarray.
• 17:47
  Diane Black: They're all upset. They're freaking out. And he's urging the citizens. Try not to take this serious. If you come across a monster do not take him on yourself. But dial 911 immediately.
• 18:05
  Trisha Smith: Did they have 911 back then?
• 18:09
  Trisha Smith: I didn't know when it was established night when? When did 911 come about?
• 18:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh I don't know.
• 18:15
  Diane Black: I don't know.
• 18:15
  Trisha Smith: Remember like in the 50s and 60s, you still had to dial like, you know, Manchester 219 or whatever.
• 18:25
  Diane Black: I wasn't alive in the 50s Oh, no, I don't remember.
• 18:28
  Trisha Smith: I saw it on, I Love Lucy,
• 18:35
  Diane Black: Leyla!
• 18:36
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm doing the googles. Continue with your story.
• 18:39
  Diane Black: Okay. So this was the urgency of the police the recommendation call 911. Let us handle the situation. And he added we don't know what to think. We didn't release the titles of the story. They from the articles. We didn't release A, B, C, and D articles from he newspapers. When we got he first report about a week a o, but now we're taking it seriously. So after four rep rts and encounters, they're tak ng it seriously. We're concern d for the safety of our people.
• 19:12
  Diane Black: t was also the police who sugge ted a Down to Earth explanati n for the weird affair.
• 19:18
  Trisha Smith: What they say?
• 19:19
  Diane Black: He said, we're going to refer to it as the creature may have been a burglar wearing of Wolf, a werewolf masks to hide his real identity.
• 19:31
  Trisha Smith: That's what I said.
• 19:32
  Diane Black: That is what you said. Your, you should have majored in criminal justice.
• 19:37
  Trisha Smith: Should have.
• 19:38
  Trisha Smith: Okay,
• 19:39
  Diane Black: It's never too late.
• 19:40
  Trisha Smith: Leyla got answers from the Googles.
• 19:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Alright, so according to the Google, the first call to 911 was placed in February of 1968.
• 19:50
  Diane Black: Wow,
• 19:52
  Trisha Smith: Where was that at?
• 19:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, dang nabiters, It doesn't say where the call was.
• 19:58
  Diane Black: So,
• 19:59
  Trisha Smith: So, it was implemented nation wide,
• 20:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: It was actually, here we go. It was made in the United States in Haleyville, Alabama.
• 20:10
  Trisha Smith: Okay 1968 so yeah, I guess in four years,
• 20:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: By Senator Rankin, by Senator Rincon Frit,
• 20:18
  Diane Black: Franken Frit?
• 20:21
  Trisha Smith: His name first name Rankin. Last name. Fight, F I T E.
• 20:31
  Leyla Zmeskal: All right.
• 20:32
  Diane Black: All right. So the police are trying to calm the people saying it's not the question. This could be a burglar wearing the mask. So covering everyone's entire body with fake hair would be a far less easier task though. So that's where people are. But what about this? So no wonder many scoffed at the idea of the masked burglar on the loose.
• 20:58
  Diane Black: Even the police noted this admitting that werewolf or burglar? There's a lot of natural hair too,
• 21:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Like somebody who wears a sweater vest 24 seven.
• 21:11
  Diane Black: What about the furry feet, Slippers, Slippers.
• 21:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: Or maybe they just have like a lot of top hair on their foot.
• 21:19
  Diane Black: That's possible.
• 21:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: Have you seen guys that have like, you know, a lot of hair on top of their feets.
• 21:24
  Diane Black: Yeah, and their backs and that's okay. After this, there were still yet even more people that were coming now coming forwards felt safe enough to to also report their claims of the man monster had tried to force its way into their homes.
• 21:42
  Diane Black: And the times were always early in the morning, and sometimes leaving deep and long scratches like nail markings on the front doors, something which the police were careful to photograph and add to their quickly growing werewolf file.
• 22:00
  Diane Black: So at least I did have a file to noted to werewolfs. But for th most part, they had pr viously stayed silent for fe r of ridicule, ridicule. so da n. Other words, they were af aid to be laughed at.
• 22:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh i don't know why.
• 22:20
  Diane Black: And then eventually, the police gathered all of this information and they come they put together collected body of the data that the police were able to put together a composite picture of the sinister shapeshifter.
• 22:38
  Trisha Smith: Is there a picture of this?
• 22:39
  Diane Black: Uh huh.
• 22:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, you better share that!
• 22:42
  Diane Black: Yeah. I will,
• 22:43
  Trisha Smith: All right,
• 22:43
  Diane Black: Of the composite,
• 22:44
  Trisha Smith: Yes.
• 22:47
  Diane Black: Because nobody has an actual photograph. But we have the composite. So by all accounts, it stood at the height of around eight feet, and the hair on the body was coarse and short. And the fact that the creature was clothed, led many to believe the inevitable that this was a man who whether by choice or not, was able to take on the form of werewolf. So of course, that the clothes were jeans and a shirt, but no footwear. So they were always ragged and torn. And, again, you know, eight foot, eight foot in height, provoked a theory that in his normal form, the man was a regular height and built. So nighttime and early hours and counters continued well into August, as did sightings of the huge beast in the vicinity of the railroad tracks. That's where the primarily these sightings took place. And thus, ended without doubt, the weirdest and most fearful saga in history of Defiance, Ohio. I had to explore a little further to see you know, were there any current sightings in Defiance or surroundings, and there had not been, but there have been multiple sightings in Chicago and neighboring states like Illinois and Indiana, of werewolf so apparently he has moved on from Defiance.
• 24:34
  Trisha Smith: You mean the homeless guy living by the train tracks in July and August of 1972 has moved on. That's my theory,
• 24:50
  Diane Black: That's a, that's a plausible theory.
• 24:52
  Trisha Smith: He probably hadn't been able to get a shave or haircut in many a year.
• 24:58
  Diane Black: Yeah, that's very plausible. But I will take my lead from the people of Defiance Ohio, and hey, Ohioans. If you're listening, and you know anything about the werewolf, send us a message. Or let us know.
• 25:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: Boozy Banter Instagram account.
• 25:18
  Diane Black: Yeah, I'd love to know more about him.
• 25:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: Or boozybanterwithfriends.com
• 25:23
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 25:24
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 25:24
  Trisha Smith: I'd like to know how the police officer that had to write that report. Like, was he like in trouble? You know, are they like,
• 25:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: You got to go do this one.
• 25:38
  Trisha Smith: Because you were late 15 times last month. Guess what report we're gonna give you.
• 25:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: We're giving you this.
• 25:46
  Trisha Smith: We're giving you this like, cuz there's, I don't care what anybody says. There was no evidence, there was no evidence in any of that. Except for some scratch marks.
• 25:55
  Diane Black: Right.
• 25:55
  Trisha Smith: I could recreate, I have scratch marks on my door from like, trying to juggle shit when I'm unlocking the door.
• 26:02
  Diane Black: Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it isn't real.
• 26:06
  Trisha Smith: I'm just pointing out the facts.
• 26:08
  Diane Black: Yes.
• 26:10
  Trisha Smith: There are none.
• 26:10
  Diane Black: And I concur, I concur that it's very plausible that a homeless,
• 26:22
  Trisha Smith: No shoes, carrying a stick over his shoulder,
• 26:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hairy feet, sweater vest.
• 26:30
  Diane Black: Very plausible. But it is very real. Legend, right.
• 26:35
  Diane Black: And Ohio. And in defiance. And I think the people up there probably a lot of them take it quite seriously.
• 26:43
  Trisha Smith: You know what, I do not doubt that for a second.
• 26:46
  Trisha Smith: And if you think you saw something, then chances are you saw something. You know, I mean, there's no denying that people.
• 26:57
  Trisha Smith: There's a reason why people believe the way they do. And you know what, I'm from the Pacific Northwest.
• 27:03
  Diane Black: Bigfoot.
• 27:05
  Trisha Smith: So and I have a whole part of my family.
• 27:09
  Diane Black: They have an expert.
• 27:10
  Trisha Smith: We do in our family. So yeah, I have no room to make fun of anybody. But there should be. There should be evidence. There should be some facts. Yeah, they're none.
• 27:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: All right.
• 27:26
  Diane Black: Well, the brick
• 27:27
  Trisha Smith: Were there finger prints on the brick?
• 27:29
  Diane Black: They didn't mention that. No.
• 27:31
  Trisha Smith: So it could have just been someone trying to you know, rob, this guy,
• 27:37
  Diane Black: Could be.
• 27:38
  Trisha Smith: Yeah. Are there any paw prints? Because you know, at least Bigfoot has footprints. Yeah, they've been cast?
• 27:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know. I would think a werewolf has more strength than regular humans. So why would a werewolf need to pick up a brick?
• 27:52
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 27:53
  Diane Black: Right.
• 27:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Couldn't it just like I've seen werewolf movie where they rip your throat out with their claw.
• 27:58
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 27:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: Or paw
• 28:00
  Trisha Smith: Or whatever it is.
• 28:02
  Diane Black: I do not have easy answers for you.
• 28:06
  Trisha Smith: But it is Interesting.
• 28:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 28:09
  Trisha Smith: You know, different. It doesn't matter.
• 28:12
  Trisha Smith: You know what size city. I think the bigger city you live in, the more tales there going to be because you have more areas of the city like you look at Orlando. everybody's like, oh, Orlando, but they're how how widespread is Orlando? And we say we're from Orlando. And we don't live in the middle of Orlando, or anywhere near Disney World, which everybody assumes it assumes is is Orlando. So I think the smaller the town, the easier it is to get tales like that going. And I can't imagine how many out there have them.
• 28:49
  Trisha Smith: You know, all small towns have some horror stories.
• 28:56
  Diane Black: Yeah, yeah. But I did.
• 28:58
  Trisha Smith: It is funny, though.
• 29:01
  Diane Black: Yeah, I can't discount your hypothesis.
• 29:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: I want to know, each time that there was a sighting did that correlate with a full moon?
• 29:10
  Diane Black: Well could not have been because it was only between,
• 29:14
  Trisha Smith: The first sighting was, but then it went like a week after right?
• 29:19
  Diane Black: Yeah, like from July 25 to August 4,
• 29:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: But every, every werewolf movie I've seen it only happens on a full moon.
• 29:27
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 29:29
  Diane Black: I know. Although the full moon technically there's five days, you have the two days of the waning, the full moon and then the two days right after that, which are the waxing. So there's like five days where the moon is at its potency.
• 29:49
  Trisha Smith: I wonder if you're a werewolf how many days can you shift?
• 29:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: And do you howl at the moon?
• 29:57
  Trisha Smith: Do you?
• 29:58
  Diane Black: Do you?
• 29:59
  Trisha Smith: How wolfy are you?
• 29:59
  Trisha Smith: If you turn into werewolf.
• 30:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 30:03
  Trisha Smith: Do wolves howl at the moon?
• 30:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think they howl just to,
• 30:07
  Diane Black: Communicate, that's a mode of communication.
• 30:09
  Trisha Smith: So it has nothing really to do with the full moon.
• 30:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: No,
• 30:13
  Diane Black: I don't think so.
• 30:13
  Diane Black: Not your regular wolf, but for a wolf man maybe.
• 30:17
  Trisha Smith: What would make him howl at the moon?
• 30:19
  Diane Black: Isn't it when he's, when he's,
• 30:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: Done changing
• 30:26
  Diane Black: Transforming.
• 30:28
  Trisha Smith: I know nothing about werewolves.
• 30:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know.
• 30:30
  Diane Black: Well, you know know about the Ohio werewolf.
• 30:35
  Trisha Smith: Who wears clothes and carries a stick and a brick.
• 30:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Shredded jeans.
• 30:41
  Trisha Smith: The railroad track like a homeless person.
• 30:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: Was it a button up shirt or t shirt? Was it the same clothing each time?
• 30:51
  Trisha Smith: Did he roll it up like in the movie. You notice in the movies like the werewolf he always has his sleeves neatly rolled up. Like he's like,
• 30:58
  Diane Black: Right.
• 31:02
  Trisha Smith: It's like, how did you button all those buttons with your paws?
• 31:08
  Diane Black: Well no you're a man first, you dress.
• 31:10
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, but then you turn like eight feet tall from normal man size you think, you would bust right out of that shirt, but not pop one button.
• 31:19
  Diane Black: That's true.
• 31:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: All right.
• 31:22
  Trisha Smith: All right. That was fun. I like,
• 31:26
  Diane Black: Yeah,
• 31:26
  Trisha Smith: I like stuff like that.
• 31:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: That was a fun one.
• 31:29
  Diane Black: It was good.
• 31:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: I got a chuckle out of it.
• 31:31
  Diane Black: Yeah. Thanks, Defiance.
• 31:33
  Trisha Smith: Thanks for giving us entertainment. I'm sure the people that live there. Now if they haven't had any more reported sightings. They're like, Hey, remember back in the 70s when they used to talk about, wolf man?
• 31:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: What was cycling through our water system. Gosh, alright, what do you got for us, Trisha?
• 31:59
  Trisha Smith: I am not talking about werewolves. I'm actually talking about twins.
• 32:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh,
• 32:06
  Trisha Smith: I know, I don't know a lot of twins.
• 32:08
  Diane Black: My niece has twin.
• 32:10
  Trisha Smith: I know. They're very cute.
• 32:12
  Diane Black: Four year old little boys.
• 32:15
  Trisha Smith: But yeah, I don't know a lot of twins. And you hear a lot of stories about multiples. You know, when you have like twins, triplets, quadruplets? You know how they have weird bonds?
• 32:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, I've heard that.
• 32:27
  Trisha Smith: This is a story about twins to the extreme, their bond is to the extreme. So this this story is June and Jennifer Gibbon. And they are from the UK.
• 32:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 32:42
  Trisha Smith: So they were born in 1963, in Yemen, before their family immigrated to the UK. And the girls were normal. When they were first born up until they reached an age where they could speak. They were far behind their peers with regard to speech, but they were also inseparable. You just couldn't keep them away from each other.
• 33:06
  Trisha Smith: They did everything together, unusually, so that they also to the point where they also seem to develop a private language that only they can understand.
• 33:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think that's for twins, I think that might be
• 33:22
  Trisha Smith: You know, my mother in law would tell me a kind of common.
• 33:26
  Trisha Smith: story about my father in law's side of the family. They have a lot of kids and the girls up until they were like 13 had their own special language. They weren't twins, but they were all so close in age that they would talk and like this foreign language only to each other and
• 33:43
  Diane Black: Code language.
• 33:44
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 33:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't think that's too strange.
• 33:47
  Trisha Smith: Well, for these twins, it never stopped. So they eventually, so they develop this private language. And they eventually became known as the silent twins, because they were unwilling to communicate with anyone except each other. When the girls started school in the late 60s and early 70s. They were the only black children in their school for the area that they lived in, in the UK, which made them the target of bullying. Yeah, which in turn, deepen their dependency on each other. So by the time the girls were teenagers, their private language was all they spoke. And it was unintelligible to anyone.
• 34:32
  Trisha Smith: They also developed other strange behavior such as refusing to communicate with any outsiders, refusing to read or write in school, mirroring each other's actions, which is, like I said, twins to the extreme.
• 34:44
  Trisha Smith: So, years later, June was quoted as saying, one day she'll wake up and be me. And one day I would wake up and be her and we used to say to each other either give me back myself if you give me back myself. I'll give you back yourself.
• 35:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: What?
• 35:08
  Trisha Smith: Isn't that weird?
• 35:09
  Diane Black: How old were they, when, when this, when they said this?
• 35:12
  Trisha Smith: When they were, you know, like, kids, kids up until they were teenagers.
• 35:19
  Diane Black: Wow, okay.
• 35:20
  Trisha Smith: So that's, I know.
• 35:20
  Trisha Smith: In 1974 a medic named John Reese noticed the girls were unusually nonreactive when being vaccinated during a yearly school sanctioned health check and quickly alerted the school's Headmaster. Do you remember that? When did you guys have that in school? When I was in school? They used to once a year they'd come in and you'd have to bend over and they do the scoliosis check.
• 35:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 35:49
  Trisha Smith: Like the red dye to chew up and see
• 35:51
  Diane Black: Yes,
• 35:52
  Trisha Smith: If you're brushing your teeth
• 35:54
  Diane Black: And the eye test that too.
• 35:56
  Leyla Zmeskal: I remember the scoliosis test.
• 35:58
  Trisha Smith: They used to do that all the time.
• 35:59
  Diane Black: Did you do the chewing?
• 36:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: No, I didn't, no.
• 36:03
  Trisha Smith: That was the worst,
• 36:04
  Diane Black: The worse,
• 36:04
  Trisha Smith: Because then you know, it was like, you're looking at everybody like,
• 36:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: And being a kid, ya mom, I brushed my teeth.
• 36:15
  Diane Black: Oh my god.
• 36:16
  Trisha Smith: Yeah. Right.
• 36:18
  Diane Black: God, that's horrible. Think about it now.
• 36:21
  Trisha Smith: I know, I know.
• 36:21
  Trisha Smith: The humiliation.
• 36:24
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 36:27
  Diane Black: Oh, my God, look in his mouth.
• 36:27
  Diane Black: It's all red. Right? Got rotten teeth. like can you just imagine
• 36:34
  Trisha Smith: Every single person in your class and the thing was if you didn't like you think that'd be a good thing.
• 36:41
  Trisha Smith: But then everybody kind of made fun of you for being the only one yeah, who brush their teeth that morning.
• 36:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: Teeth brusher! You can't sit with us anymore.
• 36:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: You have good oral hygiene.
• 36:57
  Trisha Smith: That's bad.
• 37:02
  Trisha Smith: Anyways, evidently at this school, they gave shots too. So what was I saying? Oh, the guy notified the headmaster, which I'm assuming is like our principal.
• 37:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: I would imagine.
• 37:16
  Trisha Smith: Fancy the headmaster. I bet every principal in the United States is jealous that they're not called a Headmaster, they're just a Pricipal.
• 37:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know the more I keep hearing headmaster.
• 37:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm like it's starting to take a diferent meaning.
• 37:33
  Trisha Smith: Nevermind, so the headmaster,
• 37:36
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm sure that he wants to be the headmaster. Can women be Headmasters?
• 37:46
  Diane Black: Course they can.
• 37:49
  Trisha Smith: Yeah. Okay, moving on. Moving on. headmaster, I'm gonna say principal brushed it off. So, the medic notified a child psychologist who immediately insisted the girls enroll in therapy. However, after seeing several psychotherapists, psychiatrists and psychologists, the girls still refused to speak to anyone else. So finally, in 1977, a speech therapist named Ann Treyhourn must say that her name Treyhourn sounds good. But H's that are silent or not, I don't know. So but she met with the girls. And even though they refused to speak in her presence, they agreed to have their conversation recorded as if they were or if they were left alone, so she could record them as long as she wasn't in the room and she could listen to what they said. It seemed that June wanted to speak to Ann but was being compelled not to by Jennifer. She later said that the thought entered her mind that June was possessed by her twin.
• 39:07
  Diane Black: Oh fuck.
• 39:09
  Trisha Smith: Can you imagine?
• 39:09
  Trisha Smith: That's like you're both alive, possessed. Oh, so ultimately, it was decided, decided it would be best to separate the twins and send them to different boardings.
• 39:20
  Diane Black: No, I don't think so. That's not best.
• 39:23
  Trisha Smith: Well, you're absolutely right. Immediately they realize this decision was a failure rather than branch out they withdrew into themselves becoming almost catatonic. Once they were reunited, they became even more intertwined between themselves and withdrawn. They no longer even spoke with their parents. By the time they were 18. They had started exploring their outside world and immediately started experimenting with drugs and alcohol. They also started committing petty crimes that escalated to arson, and they were arrested in 1981. They'd set three fires.
• 40:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, wow.
• 40:05
  Trisha Smith: Soon after they were sent to a maximum security hospital for the criminally insane. 1981
• 40:15
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow. That's.
• 40:16
  Trisha Smith: Right. So, the high security mental facility was hard for the twins. They were not lenient towards their behavior and were given high doses of anti psychotic medications, which caused blurred vision for Jennifer. In the early 80s, an investigative journalist named Marjorie Wallace began visiting the girls this is when they were in prison before they had been sentenced and committed. She started visiting with them and then continued to visit them after they were committed to this hospital.
• 40:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 40:49
  Trisha Smith: But they slowly began to speak to her.
• 40:53
  Diane Black: Oh wow.
• 40:53
  Trisha Smith: They also allowed her to read their diaries. While reading June's she found that June felt possessed by her sister and referred to her as a dark shadow over her in Jennifer's diaries. They revealed that she thought of June and herself as fatal enemies and described her sister as a face of misery, deception and murder. In earlier diaries, it was revealed the twins had a deep rooted disdain for each other, and each had privately wrote about an increasing fear of the other.
• 41:32
  Diane Black: So sad.
• 41:33
  Trisha Smith: For the most part, Marjorie notice June seemed more fearful of Jennifer with Jennifer being the dominant force. So these two girls are inseparable, but yet they're terrified of each other. It's just the craziest thing to think. I mean, they have their own language. They don't talk to anybody else except each other.
• 41:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: They were miserable when they're separated,
• 41:56
  Trisha Smith: But yet they're afraid of each other. So after 12 years at the high security facility in 1993, arrangements were made to transfer transfer them to lower security clinic in Wales. In the days before the move, Marjorie recalled the following Marjorie is the the investigative journalist, she said suddenly, in the middle of the conversation, Jennifer said Marjorie, Marjorie, I'm going to have to die. And I sort of laughed, I sort of said, What, don't be silly, you know, you're going you're just about to be freed from Broadmore, why are you going to have to die? You're not ill? And she said, because we've decided, and at that point, I got very frightened because I could see that they meant it.
• 42:44
  Diane Black: That was heavy,
• 42:47
  Trisha Smith: Right. So following that conversation, Marjorie Wallace alerted the doctors who told her not to worry, and the girls would be under supervision. But when the girls left the hospital, Jennifer laid her head on June's shoulder and said, At long last we're out. She then slipped into what is described as a coma and less than 12 hours later, she was dead. It was Jennifer, the dominant one. It wasn't until they'd reached their destination that any doctor tried to help her. But it was too late. The official cause of death is believed to be major swelling around her heart. But Jennifer Givens death is still mostly a mystery. There is no evidence of poison or any anything else unusual. But she's also the one that all that her vision was blurred from the drugs they were giving her so you know,
• 43:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Maybe that had something to do with it?.
• 43:42
  Trisha Smith: She's like, Nope, I I'm done. And,
• 43:47
  Diane Black: Where did you find this? Can you, did you cite your source?
• 43:50
  Trisha Smith: I got it from multiple, like I just picked in like they all said the same thing. There are so many articles about them. If you just Google June and Jennifer Gibbon,
• 44:01
  Diane Black: That's crazy.
• 44:02
  Trisha Smith: They're called the Silent Twins, you'll, you'll you can read all about them. So when Marjorie visited June Several days later, she was in good spirits and willing to talk.
• 44:14
  Trisha Smith: From then on it seemed June was a new person. She told how Jennifer's death had opened her up and allowed her to be free for the first time, and that Jennifer had to die. And they decided once she did, it would be June's responsibility to live for each other. And she did.
• 44:29
  Trisha Smith: Years later, she still still lives in the UK now, and has rejoined society speaking to anyone who will listen.
• 44:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow.
• 44:43
  Diane Black: Has there been a book written or a movie?
• 44:47
  Trisha Smith: No, there some documentary. There's like new a lot of news interviews and things with her but it's just I mean, a lot of them talk about how June the one that survived, felt that she was possessed like she could be possessed by her sister. And made to think or do things a certain way.
• 45:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's really creepy. And very bizarre.
• 45:19
  Trisha Smith: Right. Right.
• 45:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: So bizarre. Wow,
• 45:23
  Diane Black: That is really interesting.
• 45:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's good one.
• 45:28
  Trisha Smith: I, you know, when I first caught it, I'm like, well, this this is a easy, you know, these weird, I didn't realize that not only did it last for so long. I mean, they were wanting to commit these girls for 30 years in this mental high security mental health facility. And it was Marjorie Wilson that said, No, or Wallace that said, No, you know, they didn't do enough to warrant this. And she really advocated for them after having, you know, kind of involved herself herself into their lives. And
• 46:03
  Diane Black: Thank God for her.
• 46:04
  Trisha Smith: Right, right.
• 46:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow.
• 46:05
  Trisha Smith: So after her sister passed, you know, in June was like a normal person. They let her out.
• 46:12
  Diane Black: That's some crazy shit.
• 46:15
  Trisha Smith: Right? Right.
• 46:17
  Diane Black: You can't make that shit up.
• 46:19
  Trisha Smith: You can't
• 46:20
  Diane Black: Cannot.
• 46:20
  Trisha Smith: Well, and for it, to have started when they were little. It wasn't even like they decided as twins in their 20s.
• 46:25
  Trisha Smith: Like, we need attention. They started this when they were babies.
• 46:30
  Diane Black: Yeah.
• 46:30
  Trisha Smith: You know?
• 46:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, that's.
• 46:33
  Trisha Smith: And then oh, Jennifer, when she did, when she died, she was 29 It wasn't like she was an older woman. She's 29 years old. And just was like today I'm gonna die.
• 46:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wow. I wonder if you know because of the medication and she did her, have her vision affected. Could she tell something was wrong with her heart?
• 46:54
  Trisha Smith: Maybe?
• 46:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: Like she maybe you just kind of know. But still. That's also strange.
• 47:01
  Trisha Smith: Right. Right. And June took the same medications and was perfectly healthy. Like she didn't have any issues from medications. So,
• 47:12
  Diane Black: Just fascinating,
• 47:13
  Trisha Smith: Right? Yeah, twins stuff. Yeah, twins. I told just, you know, I don't know many of them. But I wonder,
• 47:22
  Diane Black: That went deep.
• 47:23
  Trisha Smith: Do all twins. Like count that. I'm gonna die tomorrow. I don't know. I don't want to know now, that scares me
• 47:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: Good stuff, good stories.
• 47:36
  Diane Black: Good story. Yeah.
• 47:39
  Trisha Smith: I can't wait till next week.
• 47:41
  Diane Black: Me too.
• 47:42
  Trisha Smith: I think next week we're talking about stuff, right?
• 47:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, we're just gonna
• 47:46
  Trisha Smith: Do a discussion.
• 47:48
  Diane Black: Right.
• 47:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. So tune in.
• 47:51
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 47:52
  Diane Black: Cheers
• 47:52
  Trisha Smith: Until next time,
• 47:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: Cheers.
• 47:54
  Trisha Smith: Cheers
• 47:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hey, like what you hear.
• 47:57
  Diane Black: Check us out on Instagram
• 47:58
  Trisha Smith: Or send us a message at boozybanterwithfriends.com
• 48:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: Thanks for listening.
• 48:03
  Trisha Smith: Until next time,
• 48:04
  Diane Black: Late-a