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Wife reveals Vegas massacre terror, how hero-husband saved her & her search for mystery man · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account,
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Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes.
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Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence,
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Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting
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Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's seven
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Speaker 1: x him Triumph Channel one thirty two. A chillingly meticulous
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Speaker 1: plan put together by Stephen Paddock, which included weapons modified
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Speaker 1: into machine guns. Authorities for covering a total of forty
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Speaker 1: seven firearms, including that startling arsenal found in this hotel room,
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Speaker 1: thousands of rounds of ammunition and be fired off and
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Speaker 1: on for somewhere between nine and eleven minutes. Fire arms
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Speaker 1: have been recovered. These farms were recovered from three different locations.
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Speaker 1: It was a hotel security guard who may have stomped
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Speaker 1: the slaughter. He was advancing towards the room when the
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Speaker 1: suspect fired through the door at the security guard. Panic
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Speaker 1: was able to shoot the guard through the door. He
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Speaker 1: was able to provide additional information to the police on
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Speaker 1: exactly which room that we were looking at that wounded
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Speaker 1: security guard, providing crucial intelligence to Swan teams who about
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Speaker 1: an hour later breached that door. Bridge Bridge Brige All
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Speaker 1: Eyes on Las Vegas, Nevada, as we try to unravel
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Speaker 1: what happened to so many victims, Joining me Aunt Harris,
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter, five time Emmy Award winner Dr Bethany Marshall's
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst out of l A death scene investigator Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, and joining me right now
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Speaker 1: is a very special guest, a woman who was there
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Speaker 1: and lived to tell the tell Barry Adams is joining us.
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Speaker 1: She was there at that country music festival, heard the
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Speaker 1: shots and survived, and she's joining us now. Barry, Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. Thank you for having me, Barry.
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Speaker 1: As now, the news is that possibly this guy's girlfriend
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Speaker 1: knew what was going on and took a flight out
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Speaker 1: of town just after the shooter Funnels For a hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, I'd like to hear in your own words,
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Speaker 1: what happened just as Jason Aldeen took the stage. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So Jason came on stage, and uh, he did two songs,
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Speaker 1: and then he talked just a little bit basically about
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Speaker 1: how he was not going to be talking or you know,
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of dancing. He was just gonna be
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Speaker 1: playing music. And then he proceeded to do two more songs,
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Speaker 1: and it was in I believe that fourth song that
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Speaker 1: you started to hear the gun fire, and um, he
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Speaker 1: stopped and he turned around and he ran off stage.
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Speaker 1: When you first heard the gunfire, joining me is Barry Adams,
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Speaker 1: who lived through the Vegas massacre. When you first heard it,
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Speaker 1: I've listened to it over and over. Barry. It sounds
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Speaker 1: like popping, like a fireworks or something. It did sound
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Speaker 1: a little bit like fireworks. Um, but I think that
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Speaker 1: I quickly knew that it was not fireworks because it
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Speaker 1: was in perfect succession. So, you know, I've been around guns,
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Speaker 1: I've been around gunfire, and I knew that that's not
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Speaker 1: what was happening. What did you do you hear this?
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Speaker 1: And what happened? I turned around and looked at my
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Speaker 1: husband and we knelt down on the ground and we
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Speaker 1: immediately prayed, and then I kind of got up underneath him.
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Speaker 1: He out on top of me. I pulled out my
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Speaker 1: phone and I text my boys, so you're here gun
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Speaker 1: fire and dropped to your knees and pray, mm hmm.
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Speaker 1: Immediately immediately, what did you say? Well, I first prayed
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Speaker 1: that this was not gunfire, but I knew in the
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Speaker 1: back of my head that it was. And then I
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Speaker 1: just prayed that God would be with us because I
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Speaker 1: knew that I couldn't I couldn't do this on my
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Speaker 1: on my own. Very Where were you, Where were you positioned?
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Speaker 1: Where were you sitting? If your face stage? We were
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Speaker 1: standing to the left side, and we were very close,
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Speaker 1: maybe ten or fifteen yards from the stage, so we
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Speaker 1: were very close to the day after. After you had
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Speaker 1: knelt down and prayed, what happened then? Um? When he well,
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Speaker 1: like I said, my husband kind of got on top
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Speaker 1: of me. I pulled out my phone. I was on
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Speaker 1: my knees and I text my boys and my mom
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Speaker 1: that I loved them more than they knew. And then
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Speaker 1: he finished empia in that clip, and so we had
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Speaker 1: about ten or fifteen seconds and I told my husband,
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Speaker 1: we got a guy to here. We have to run. Wait. Wait,
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Speaker 1: it's hard for me to take it in. I remember
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Speaker 1: the moment um A doctors had told me that they
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Speaker 1: had found a mass on my ovaries and that had
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Speaker 1: grown very, very aggressively, and I had to leave the doctor.
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Speaker 1: I remember it was pouring rain, and I went to
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Speaker 1: pick the children up. I think they're about three at
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Speaker 1: play school, and I remember that moment thinking how many
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Speaker 1: more days will I be able to pick them up?
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Speaker 1: What's going to happen? Am I going to see them
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Speaker 1: grow up? And I remember that moment when they came
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Speaker 1: running to me that morning at play school, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to get a mental picture of you Berry
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Speaker 1: texting your children that you love them and your family.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what was going through your mind that I
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Speaker 1: had that I had to get back to my boys.
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Speaker 1: That's where I was running too. I was running to
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Speaker 1: my boys. How old are they? Fourteen and sixteen years old?
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Speaker 1: Just really right when they need you the most? I mean,
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Speaker 1: anybody can change a diaper or give a baby bottle,
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Speaker 1: but it swims. They're growing up and they need their
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Speaker 1: mother and they need their father to guide them and
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Speaker 1: help them to get them across the finish line. That's
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Speaker 1: when I think they need you the most. Barry what
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Speaker 1: what did you text them? I love you more than
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Speaker 1: you know? That was it? When you were texting your children?
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Speaker 1: What was happening around you? What did you see? What
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Speaker 1: did you hear? Um? I heard gunshots was the the
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Speaker 1: loudest and uh, people were screaming and uh. By the
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Speaker 1: time we got over the the first and second fitch,
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Speaker 1: you could hear people started starting to break windows out
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Speaker 1: of the buildings to try to get inside of buildings. Um.
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Speaker 1: People were putting people in the back of trucks. Um. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: people were hurt. It just it sounded like the closest
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Speaker 1: thing I could imagine to be in an a war.
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Speaker 1: It was very disorienting. It was dark, and the gun
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Speaker 1: shots were reverberating, so you couldn't tell where they were
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Speaker 1: coming from. So you could have been running towards the shooter.
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Speaker 1: You don't really know if you're running towards our away.
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Speaker 1: You were just trying to get out. What was the
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Speaker 1: crowd doing a lot of people were just trying to
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Speaker 1: get down, which didn't help anybody because the gun shots
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Speaker 1: were becoming they were coming from above. But you know,
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Speaker 1: when you hear gunshots, you think get down. I had
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Speaker 1: actually read or watched I can't remember active shooter training,
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Speaker 1: and I remember it was shocking to me because I
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Speaker 1: my first thought was always to get down or to
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Speaker 1: play dead, and he said, that's actually not what you
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Speaker 1: need to do. If you're in an open space, you
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Speaker 1: need to run. So that came in very handy for
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Speaker 1: me because I knew to run, and I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of people did not. I just don't know you
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Speaker 1: had the presence of mind to even think, you know,
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Speaker 1: it just came. It was in the back of my head,
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Speaker 1: and I had talked to my boys about it. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: you know, hey, this is what you need to do
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Speaker 1: if you're ever in a situation with a shooter. We
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Speaker 1: had gone over it, what you needed to do in
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Speaker 1: the different situations, and it just came. It just came forward,
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Speaker 1: you know. So what did you do to try and escape? Uh? Well,
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Speaker 1: the first time we ran, we ran to a bar
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Speaker 1: area where they were serving food and we jumped over
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Speaker 1: it and got underneath that, and then we realized that
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Speaker 1: there was no hard surface, that was just cloth and canvas,
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Speaker 1: So then we ran to So that was not going
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Speaker 1: to protect you, so you had to keep going. And
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Speaker 1: when you ran to the beverage area, what did you
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Speaker 1: see around you? The people behind the counter were not
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Speaker 1: they know a lot of people were not responding. They
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Speaker 1: just they were not um. They didn't understand what was happening.
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Speaker 1: And even one of the guys behind the counter looked
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Speaker 1: at me and said, it's just a speaker. I said,
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Speaker 1: it's not a speaker, and you need to run like
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Speaker 1: they just didn't understand what was happening. So we ran
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Speaker 1: from that area when it stopped again, to the fence,
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Speaker 1: and the fence was about ten feet high, so I
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Speaker 1: couldn't get my boots into the fence to scale it.
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Speaker 1: There happened to be a gator like an a TV there.
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Speaker 1: I call up on the gator and then I was
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Speaker 1: able to get over the fence the first sense um
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Speaker 1: and then and all this time the shots are still
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Speaker 1: ringing out constant, with only a ten or fifteen second
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Speaker 1: stopping between. It was horrifying. You just thought they were coming,
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Speaker 1: and there's more than one and you don't know where
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Speaker 1: it's coming from. So then we get to another fence
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Speaker 1: and people had pushed that sense down and we're going
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Speaker 1: over that fence and a girl had her foot caught
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Speaker 1: in it, her leg and my husband stopped and you know,
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Speaker 1: helped her get her leg out because she was literally
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Speaker 1: just penned and trapped there and people were going over her.
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Speaker 1: I hope you remember that in the future when you
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Speaker 1: have to look at it like every wife does. Why
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Speaker 1: did I marry him? You remember that moment that he
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Speaker 1: stopped and he helped that woman get her leg out? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I think it all the time, and I look at
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Speaker 1: my husband and I remember when he saved me from
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Speaker 1: drowning one time. He risked his own life to save me,
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Speaker 1: and I remember that when I feel like d I
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Speaker 1: v O r ce. So your husband actually stopped and
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Speaker 1: helped another person get their leg out. Yes, And you
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Speaker 1: saw so much of that. People were very, very kind.
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Speaker 1: People were trying not to trample each other. They were
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Speaker 1: covering each other. Um, everybody was really working together. It
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Speaker 1: was it was good. That was good. I just can't imagine.
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Speaker 1: It was dark. You heard the guns fire, it wasn't stopping.
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Speaker 1: A lot of people were screaming a lot of people
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Speaker 1: didn't even know what was going on, and said the speakers, Okay,
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Speaker 1: so you get over the second fence, then what happens? Um, Well,
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Speaker 1: by then I started to struggle a little bit because
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Speaker 1: I think I had so much adrenaline in me. I
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Speaker 1: started to have trouble breathing, I started to have trouble walking.
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Speaker 1: I just I was shutting down. And my husband just
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Speaker 1: kept you know, at that point, he was keeping me going.
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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't think I could run any further,
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Speaker 1: but he, um, he kept me going. And we were
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Speaker 1: going down the street and we just saw this, how
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Speaker 1: was keeping you going? He was just pulling me. He
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Speaker 1: was just pulling my arm and saying, come on, we
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Speaker 1: gotta keep going. We gotta keep going. You can do it.
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Speaker 1: We gotta keep going. And then we saw a guy.
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Speaker 1: He just saw a guy, a young guy, dropped down
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Speaker 1: the street and he just flagged them down and and said, hey,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'll give you forty bucks if you'll just
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Speaker 1: take us back to our hotel right now. And the
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Speaker 1: guy said, what's going on? And he said, you know,
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Speaker 1: there's a there's a shooting, and can just please take
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Speaker 1: us back to our hotel? And this it was just
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Speaker 1: a young kid, and he said sure, and we got
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Speaker 1: in the car and he took us back to our hotel,
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Speaker 1: which was not on the strip, that was a couple
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Speaker 1: of blocks away. Uh, he would not take our money.
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Speaker 1: And before he left, he said, you know, I just
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Speaker 1: I live in that area, and I'm gonna go back
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Speaker 1: and see if i can get some more people out
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Speaker 1: of there. I mean, that's incredible. Whoever he is, God
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Speaker 1: bless him, because no one will ever know that that
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Speaker 1: guy was helping people. Can I ask you something? What
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Speaker 1: went through your mind when you saw your boys account? Ah?
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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any words. I was just
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Speaker 1: so thankful for that opportunity, you know, just the opportunity
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Speaker 1: to continue to do this, to be their mom. I
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a very special guest, a
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Speaker 1: woman who was there Las Vegas, Nevada and lived to
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Speaker 1: tell the tell Marry when you now here that you
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Speaker 1: were you and your husband were victims of the biggest
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Speaker 1: mass shooting in US history. What do you think? What
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Speaker 1: do you feel? I don't know. I think I'm still
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Speaker 1: in a little bit of shock, you know, I'm still
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Speaker 1: just so it's surreal, like it's it happened, but it
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Speaker 1: didn't happen. And that's so strange. It's such a strange feeling.
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Speaker 1: I know, I know in my mind that there are
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Speaker 1: people that are not going home to their families. It's
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Speaker 1: just I mean, there's no rhyme or reason to you
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Speaker 1: know what happened. It's just it's sad. It's so sad,
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Speaker 1: and I don't know how to explain it to my boys.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're doing the best we can, but it's
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Speaker 1: really hard. You know. My main concern was we didn't
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Speaker 1: sleep all night, and I wanted to make sure that
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Speaker 1: I called and got ahold of my oldest side where
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Speaker 1: he got up for school and looked at his phone
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Speaker 1: or turned on the TV and just experience the you
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Speaker 1: know that feeling. I want to just him to know
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Speaker 1: that we were okay, we were coming home. What did
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Speaker 1: your sons do when they saw their mothers? They just
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Speaker 1: hugged me. They just hugged me and hugged me. They
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Speaker 1: didn't cry that um My son texts me, you know
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Speaker 1: several times when he went back to school the next
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Speaker 1: day and make sure I was okay. So I knew
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Speaker 1: it was on their mind before this incident. They would
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Speaker 1: always tell me, you know, don't mom me, you're so crazy.
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Speaker 1: You warned me about all this stuff, and you know
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Speaker 1: you're so overprotective. I don't think they're gonna, you know,
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Speaker 1: you just make I just want to rip this earpiece
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Speaker 1: out and run to my children right now and my
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Speaker 1: husband and my mom, Just thinking what went through your
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Speaker 1: mind and went through your heart and when you wanted
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Speaker 1: to just stop running and hide the way you said,
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Speaker 1: just and to look back and think so many other
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Speaker 1: people didn't make it, and people that are wounded may
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Speaker 1: still pass away. The death count can go up. It's
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Speaker 1: just and then of course you're gonna wonder, why did
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Speaker 1: I make it and they didn't make it? What about
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Speaker 1: all the other parents that didn't make it? And exactly,
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Speaker 1: I just am grateful that you did. Now, your husband, Jason, right,
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Speaker 1: is he right there with you? Can he pick up
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Speaker 1: for a second? Hold on? Hello, Okay, Jason, I'm just
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Speaker 1: hearing from your wife Barry about what you did during
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Speaker 1: the shooting. When you first heard the bullets? What what
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Speaker 1: did you think it was? You know, I actually thought
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Speaker 1: it was a helicopter because the way that it was
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Speaker 1: reverberating off all the building was a very odd sound
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Speaker 1: and it was really tough to tell what it was.
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Speaker 1: We heard gunshot, we know a gunshots sound like hearing
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Speaker 1: him in sen session like that, like Tapa. It almost
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Speaker 1: sounded like some kind of helicopter was trying to take off,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people were looking that direction. So
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Speaker 1: when did you realize it was they were actually bullets.
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Speaker 1: I think we finally realized it was bullets when Jason
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Speaker 1: Aldeen actually missed a lyric and was looking left and
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Speaker 1: he kind of stopped singing that the band was playing,
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Speaker 1: and then he ducked and ran off the stage. Is
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Speaker 1: when we kind of were like, this is something really serious.
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Speaker 1: What did you do when you saw Aldi leave the stage?
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Speaker 1: Thank god, because he's an open target to right up
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Speaker 1: there on the stage. What did you do? Well? We
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Speaker 1: She turned around on me immediately and then she I mean,
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Speaker 1: like she told you on the on the phone here
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Speaker 1: that it was just amazing to see her kneel down
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Speaker 1: and immediately start praying. And I dealt down with her
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Speaker 1: and started praying as well, and then I saw other
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Speaker 1: people around us start to kneel and that's when she
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Speaker 1: crawled up underneath me and I kind of covered her
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Speaker 1: to kind of see. We thought the heater was ground level.
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Speaker 1: We had no idea this year was you know, elevated position.
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Speaker 1: So as far as we knew, he was walking through
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Speaker 1: the gates, you know, shot security guards and was working
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Speaker 1: his way through the crowd. So we thought, as you know,
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Speaker 1: low as possible would be the best scenario. But after that, first,
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Speaker 1: you know, sixty rounds or whatever he was shooting, it
19:14
Speaker 1: could have been a hundred rounds, and so all we
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Speaker 1: know was done. That's when we got up and she
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Speaker 1: looked at me and said, we gotta run, and so
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Speaker 1: we ran and she literally dove behind this counter um
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Speaker 1: that was we thought was a hard surface on the
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Speaker 1: on the outside, but we found out once we got
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Speaker 1: behind it that it was actually just made a clock.
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Speaker 1: Everything was skeleton. If you know anything about these festivals,
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Speaker 1: there's nothing hard surface. So then what happened. And once
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Speaker 1: we were behind there, other women were literally jumping and
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Speaker 1: diving and hitting like sliding so hard across the countertops.
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Speaker 1: Their bodies were slamming into the into the into the
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Speaker 1: food service little trailers. And I was like, ladies, y'all
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Speaker 1: need to be careful because at that point, you know
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Speaker 1: that they could almost kill themselves or hurt themselves just
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Speaker 1: the way that they were jumping and diving head first.
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Speaker 1: And then I'm looking for something hard surface because I'm
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Speaker 1: almost I see that the fact that the outer part
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Speaker 1: of the counter is just nothing but cloth and she
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Speaker 1: Barry's got her back up against it, and I said, baby,
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Speaker 1: you can't stay there. Let if they could shoot straight
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Speaker 1: through that surface. So I'm looking for something hard. There
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Speaker 1: was a cooler. I tried to roll him the way,
20:17
Speaker 1: but I quickly realized that that just wasn't gonna work
20:20
Speaker 1: because at that moment time the second, you know, clips
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Speaker 1: of bullets were starting to fly, and you know, people
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Speaker 1: were running and screaming everywhere. And then we look kind
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Speaker 1: of both believed. I guess we both had decided that
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Speaker 1: we have to get out of here at this point.
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Speaker 1: And we had spent the last two evenings on that
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Speaker 1: left side, and there's like a little tower in the corner.
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Speaker 1: We both just ran towards that tower. And there's a
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Speaker 1: perimeter fence there. If you guys have seen the news,
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Speaker 1: we were we were pretty much caged in there. There
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Speaker 1: was no way out, so there was only one exit,
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Speaker 1: and it was back at the beginning. So there was
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Speaker 1: this huge, you know, nine ft fence there. And Barry
20:55
Speaker 1: started to run to the left and I called her back.
20:57
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, no, And I saw some people
20:58
Speaker 1: jumping up on the top of a gate and and
21:01
Speaker 1: and springing over the fence. I said, we have to
21:03
Speaker 1: go this way. It's kind of like a four wheeler,
21:06
Speaker 1: but you know it's uh people use them on farms
21:09
Speaker 1: or you know, they also use them. You know, it's
21:11
Speaker 1: like an all terrain vehicle, but it's got a roof,
21:14
Speaker 1: so they climb up on that and then get over.
21:16
Speaker 1: Because the fence was so high, there's no way she
21:18
Speaker 1: could have made it, you know, as a woman. And
21:20
Speaker 1: there remember this is there's a lot of women here.
21:22
Speaker 1: There was a lot of women at these concerts, you know,
21:25
Speaker 1: women with their you know, with their young children, as
21:27
Speaker 1: far as girls teenagers that wanted to see country music.
21:31
Speaker 1: So that's what I was in fear of that. There's
21:32
Speaker 1: women everywhere. So as we're going over, there's also other
21:36
Speaker 1: women going over the fence as well. And there was
21:38
Speaker 1: another man on the other side that was trying to
21:39
Speaker 1: help some of the women drop because it's another you know,
21:42
Speaker 1: non foot drop on the other side. Barry actually tore
21:45
Speaker 1: up her leg a lot. She told you that she's
21:47
Speaker 1: got scrapes and bruises all the way down her right leg.
21:50
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I saw a photo of what
21:53
Speaker 1: happened to her legs. Just totally destroyed trying to jump
21:58
Speaker 1: back over, so you get, don't you get her and
22:01
Speaker 1: other people over the fence to take off running across
22:04
Speaker 1: the other fence, and then what happened, well, yeah, we
22:08
Speaker 1: well the other fence was she was trying to go
22:10
Speaker 1: down towards the parking lot because again you still hear
22:13
Speaker 1: the bullets, because it's just he's continually to unload bullets
22:16
Speaker 1: and we have no idea where this person is or
22:18
Speaker 1: if there's more than one or whatever. It's just complete
22:21
Speaker 1: chaos at this point. And there's another perimeter fence that
22:25
Speaker 1: I see people pushing at that at that same moment,
22:28
Speaker 1: like it's it's already kind of down that people are pushing,
22:30
Speaker 1: and this one lady was like trapped all tangled up
22:34
Speaker 1: in the and one of the wires, and as people
22:37
Speaker 1: are just flying past her, she stops. She's like, please
22:40
Speaker 1: help me, and my leg is caught, and you know,
22:43
Speaker 1: you know, people don't mean to push, but they're kind
22:46
Speaker 1: of pushing in that in that situation, they're trying to
22:48
Speaker 1: get around you because they're just wanting to get away.
22:50
Speaker 1: So I'm untangling this lady's leg and she is so
22:53
Speaker 1: thankful because you know, once a mob of people run
22:57
Speaker 1: over you like that, you can just literally die just
23:00
Speaker 1: being trampled and and and being trapped up underneath, you know,
23:03
Speaker 1: this situation. So she got out and then there was
23:06
Speaker 1: there was nancy. There were shoes, purses, sunglasses, I mean
23:10
Speaker 1: you talk, everything just just littered everywhere as people just
23:14
Speaker 1: dropping whatever they had in their hands and running. And
23:17
Speaker 1: we saw boots laying on the ground where people have
23:19
Speaker 1: literally ran out of their boots, just escaping the situation.
23:23
Speaker 1: Once we got over that past that second fence, you know,
23:26
Speaker 1: like Barry was saying, her adrenaline has gone. She's wiped out, right,
23:30
Speaker 1: So we just continue to keep running down this road
23:32
Speaker 1: and people are breaking windows. It sounds like trying to
23:35
Speaker 1: get into some of these buildings that directly behind the
23:39
Speaker 1: the complex, like maybe it's some office suites or something,
23:42
Speaker 1: just trying to seek shelter. I don't know why, but
23:45
Speaker 1: that was disoriented as well, because you're thinking, why they
23:48
Speaker 1: breaking windows? Are they just trying to seek shelter. All
23:51
Speaker 1: this time you can hear bullets, just bullets, bullets, bullets
23:55
Speaker 1: bullets with me is Jason out of this is Barry's husband,
23:59
Speaker 1: Both survivors of the worst mass shooting in US history, Jason,
24:05
Speaker 1: when you hear of things like that, CBS lawyer Thank
24:10
Speaker 1: Good as CBS fired her, it says she really didn't
24:13
Speaker 1: have any sympathy for the victims because there are probably
24:15
Speaker 1: gun titen Republicans. I mean, why would somebody say something
24:20
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know. I think if you look
24:24
Speaker 1: at the statement released by Jason Aldean, I think it
24:26
Speaker 1: really hits the It really hits the mark when he
24:29
Speaker 1: talks about we're not Republicans. You know, we're not Democrats.
24:32
Speaker 1: Were all Americans. You know, there's not there's no black
24:34
Speaker 1: white I couldn't agree with him more. I mean, I
24:38
Speaker 1: just I just can't get over it. I mean, I
24:42
Speaker 1: love country music and I wouldn't have a gun in
24:46
Speaker 1: the house to say for any reason, I'm a gun
24:50
Speaker 1: violence victim, and I think that's just so hurtful on
24:55
Speaker 1: top of everything else these victims have lived through. Well,
24:59
Speaker 1: that's I think it's your profiling people. I actually had
25:02
Speaker 1: friends because the company that I worked for is based
25:05
Speaker 1: out of California, and we had friends there from California,
25:08
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of Democrats in California,
25:11
Speaker 1: and um, I just hate that people are not not
25:15
Speaker 1: not caring about the victims that have lived through so much.
25:19
Speaker 1: I've got to ask you when you saw when you
25:22
Speaker 1: realized that you guys were safe, that you and Barry
25:26
Speaker 1: were safe, that moment that you realized you were you
25:31
Speaker 1: were safe, what did you do. I think we were
25:34
Speaker 1: just holding hands and comforting each other, um in the
25:37
Speaker 1: car and realizing that we had finally got with this.
25:40
Speaker 1: This young man, his name was Eric, of her call,
25:43
Speaker 1: was able to pick us up on the street, and
25:46
Speaker 1: he was he was driving blind into it as well.
25:48
Speaker 1: He didn't know. We actually have his picture. She took
25:51
Speaker 1: his picture when we got out of car because he
25:54
Speaker 1: was You sent it to me and I'll put it
25:56
Speaker 1: on crime online. We'll try to find him and thank him. Okay, Yeah,
26:00
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question. When you first saw
26:03
Speaker 1: your boys again back home, What went through your mind?
26:06
Speaker 1: What went through your heart? I think that when the
26:09
Speaker 1: moment we walked in, both boys had realized just because
26:14
Speaker 1: for a long time, Nancy, we didn't realize what the
26:16
Speaker 1: severity of the situation was. We didn't realize how many
26:19
Speaker 1: people on the other side. Um, Like I told you,
26:21
Speaker 1: some of my friends from California, they actually went through
26:24
Speaker 1: the other perimeter fence, they saw some of the carnage
26:26
Speaker 1: and and just the destruction this man had caused. And um,
26:31
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't until the morning hours we realized
26:34
Speaker 1: just how bad it was. We bury didn't sleep at all.
26:36
Speaker 1: You know, I have been through so many homicides and
26:40
Speaker 1: so many homicide scenes and autopsies, and when you see
26:45
Speaker 1: bullets that have ripped through people's bodies and destroyed everything
26:50
Speaker 1: inside a human being, it's it's horrible, Jason. The people
26:57
Speaker 1: just just like you and me. I mean, these people
27:00
Speaker 1: with lives, with families, with children, you know, with mothers
27:02
Speaker 1: and fathers and brothers and sisters, and there they are,
27:05
Speaker 1: and you know they didn't They were just out there
27:07
Speaker 1: just enjoying themselves. This was a family festival. They're playing cornicles.
27:11
Speaker 1: We were. We were watching the line dancers just moments
27:14
Speaker 1: before on the on the other side, on the Mando
27:16
Speaker 1: Laid bayside, before we decided to walk over, we could
27:19
Speaker 1: have been right there in that path of destruction. Jason,
27:22
Speaker 1: I got one more question for you. When you got
27:25
Speaker 1: down on your knees with your wife, Barry, and you
27:27
Speaker 1: prayed as the bullets were We're being fired. What did you.
27:32
Speaker 1: We just prayed that that that God be with us
27:35
Speaker 1: at that moment because we needed something. We needed some
27:37
Speaker 1: kind of comforting at that point, because we knew that
27:40
Speaker 1: there was something really bad about to happen. We just
27:43
Speaker 1: prayed to God be with us and for not to
27:45
Speaker 1: be a gun. Please God, don't let that be a gun,
27:48
Speaker 1: because we knew that there were thirty thousand plus people
27:51
Speaker 1: at that festival, and then women, children and and and
27:55
Speaker 1: it was just it could have been something. It is
27:58
Speaker 1: something just completely unimaginable destruction. Jason and Barry Adams, you
28:05
Speaker 1: really don't know what speaking to us and all of
28:10
Speaker 1: our listeners has meant to us. And I want to
28:13
Speaker 1: thank you, and you go be with your boys. Thank you,
28:17
Speaker 1: Aunt Harris. We now are hearing the girlfriend of the
28:21
Speaker 1: Vegas Sheeter, was met by the FBI at l a
28:25
Speaker 1: x So. She gets back from the Philippines and a wheelchair.
28:29
Speaker 1: She is a person of interests as details of her
28:33
Speaker 1: double life began to emerge. What do we know aret anything?
28:37
Speaker 1: We know that Mary Low dan Lee was living with
28:41
Speaker 1: the shooter, Stephen Paddock, in a small town outside Las Vegas,
28:46
Speaker 1: keat Nevada. She too took off for Japan U shortly
28:52
Speaker 1: before this happened. And we know that this man was
28:56
Speaker 1: up in the thirty second floor sweet that the hotel
29:00
Speaker 1: comped him four because he was an avid gambler who frequented.
29:04
Speaker 1: The people below we just heard from had no idea
29:07
Speaker 1: they were being shot at by a man who had
29:09
Speaker 1: twenty three guns in his room. They were retrofitted to
29:15
Speaker 1: fire hundreds of rounds a minute, and he was moving
29:20
Speaker 1: from gun to gun. Now, as far as Mary Lou
29:24
Speaker 1: Danley goes, we don't know. She's not considered to be
29:27
Speaker 1: connected to the crime. But he did wire Stephen Paddock,
29:32
Speaker 1: retired c p A sixty four years old. He did
29:35
Speaker 1: wire a hundred thousand dollars to um an unknown account
29:40
Speaker 1: in the Philippines, where she is well. We also know
29:43
Speaker 1: something else, Art, and I'm gonna throw this to you,
29:46
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst out of l A. We also
29:50
Speaker 1: know from her sister that she was purposefully sent away
29:54
Speaker 1: by the Vegas shooter, who told her he got her
29:57
Speaker 1: some cheap flights home to two weeks before the shooting,
30:02
Speaker 1: so he intentionally sent her away. Yeah, I think that's
30:04
Speaker 1: so interesting that he sent her away because it tells
30:07
Speaker 1: me that this is not something that came from out
30:10
Speaker 1: of the blue for him. He was planning this for
30:13
Speaker 1: a long long time. Nancy. This was not spontaneous. And
30:17
Speaker 1: you know all the reports I read, people are saying,
30:20
Speaker 1: we don't know what the motive is with it's inexplicable
30:23
Speaker 1: that somebody would have done this, Nancy, I feel like
30:25
Speaker 1: I do know what the motive is. If you really
30:28
Speaker 1: know anything about the psychopathic mind, and we talked about
30:32
Speaker 1: this a lot over the years, Psychopaths are prone to boredom.
30:36
Speaker 1: They have inner emptiness. It's a part of the character pathology.
30:40
Speaker 1: It's it's the same character pathology as a serial killer.
30:43
Speaker 1: So you know how serial killers can just pop up
30:46
Speaker 1: kill somebody, go into hiding for months or years, then
30:49
Speaker 1: they pop up and they kill again. It's because the
30:52
Speaker 1: fantasy is about killing. Are in a sense, they're antidote
30:57
Speaker 1: to the inner deadness, in the inner boredom. They have
30:59
Speaker 1: a very rich fantasy life. So I think with Stephen Paddock,
31:03
Speaker 1: he was probably one of these people who are sort
31:06
Speaker 1: of like a thrilled seeker through the gambling and some
31:09
Speaker 1: of his other activities, and that the collecting of the
31:11
Speaker 1: guns was a part of a secret life designed to
31:15
Speaker 1: be very stimulating and fantasy filled for him. And when
31:19
Speaker 1: he finally got to the point where he got up
31:21
Speaker 1: the courage to commit the crime, to perpetrate the crime,
31:25
Speaker 1: and to fulfill all of these fantasies, that's when he
31:28
Speaker 1: sent her out of the country. Take a listen to
31:31
Speaker 1: what the Vegas gunman's girl friends lawyer, that's right, she's
31:36
Speaker 1: all lawyered up, has to say. I have a statement
31:39
Speaker 1: to read from my climarily Damily. I am devastated by
31:43
Speaker 1: the deaths and injuries that have occurred. In my prayers
31:47
Speaker 1: go out to the victims and their families and all
31:50
Speaker 1: those who have been hurt by these awful events. The
31:54
Speaker 1: bodies of Americans strown across a field along with rash
32:01
Speaker 1: food shoes as people literally ran out of their shoes
32:05
Speaker 1: trying to get away, a complete nightmare for everyone attending
32:10
Speaker 1: that country music festival. And now it is emerging that,
32:14
Speaker 1: according to some police, the Vegas killer had to have
32:20
Speaker 1: an accomplice. Quote, he had to have help at some point,
32:25
Speaker 1: because this guy's level of planning, the firearms, ammunition all
32:29
Speaker 1: point to an accomplice. A police as they search for
32:33
Speaker 1: a mystery woman that was with him, according to eyewitness
32:37
Speaker 1: says during his last days. First of all, we know
32:42
Speaker 1: the girlfriend had been shuttled off back home thousands of
32:47
Speaker 1: miles away, that he had gotten her a ticket and
32:49
Speaker 1: had her leave. But what if anything, did she know
32:52
Speaker 1: about his plans? Stephen Paddock planned to escape after shooting
32:58
Speaker 1: dead nearly sixt p bull injuring hundreds, say cops, how
33:03
Speaker 1: do they know that? Joining me right now, investigative reporter,
33:07
Speaker 1: five time Emmy Award winner Art Harris, Cheryl McCullum, crime
33:11
Speaker 1: scene investigator, director of the Cold Case Institute, and psychoanalysts
33:16
Speaker 1: out of l A. Dr Bethany Marshall also with me,
33:19
Speaker 1: Alan Duke the Deep joining me from l A. Art Harris.
33:22
Speaker 1: Why do they believe that he had an accomplice and
33:26
Speaker 1: an escape route? Nancy? They believed that he had an
33:29
Speaker 1: accomplice because there was too much meticulous planning going on.
33:34
Speaker 1: He had put two cameras outside in the hall to
33:37
Speaker 1: monitor people coming up at him that would indicate he
33:42
Speaker 1: was not only one, not only suspecting someone would try
33:45
Speaker 1: to breach his room, but maybe figure out how to
33:48
Speaker 1: get out. The other thing he had amassed more than
33:51
Speaker 1: twenty seven guns. Well, he bought most of almost thirty
33:55
Speaker 1: guns in the last year at different shops, different gun stores, Vegas, Utah, California.
34:02
Speaker 1: And to spread it out so people would not, you know,
34:05
Speaker 1: associate him as amassing an amount from one store. And
34:10
Speaker 1: to do this get it back to uh Nevada because
34:15
Speaker 1: to the room and kim suitcases up to the room,
34:17
Speaker 1: Nancy r. He bought thirty three rifles in one month alone.
34:25
Speaker 1: Thirty three rifles in one month alone. Um, here's the
34:31
Speaker 1: thing about that. People are now claiming that he was
34:35
Speaker 1: in some sort of a few state, the depression, that
34:38
Speaker 1: he was spiraling down. You know what, Dr Bethany Marshall,
34:41
Speaker 1: I don't give a flying fig about that, because he
34:45
Speaker 1: was not insane at the time of the murders. He
34:48
Speaker 1: had this so well planned. Insanity under our legal definition
34:54
Speaker 1: is knowing right from wrong. And he knew what he
34:57
Speaker 1: was doing was wrong at the time he did at Bethany, Well,
35:02
Speaker 1: he knew what was wrong because he installed the cameras right,
35:05
Speaker 1: so he didn't want to be caught. So that implies
35:08
Speaker 1: a knowledge of right and wrong. But Nancy, this is
35:11
Speaker 1: not mental illness. And because an enormous amount of energy
35:17
Speaker 1: went into the planning. It takes so much time and
35:21
Speaker 1: so much energy to purchase all those guns, So the
35:24
Speaker 1: idea that he would be depressed or in a few
35:27
Speaker 1: state would not match up with somebody who took that
35:30
Speaker 1: much time. Let's talk about a potential woman who was
35:33
Speaker 1: seen with Paddock in the days before the shooting while
35:36
Speaker 1: his girlfriend was out of the country. Is she connected
35:39
Speaker 1: to the single worst shooting incident in US history? Cops
35:44
Speaker 1: now asking for your help to find this woman. We
35:48
Speaker 1: know that a room service receipt indicated two people were
35:52
Speaker 1: eating in his room. What do we know about her
35:56
Speaker 1: being spotted by other eyewitnesses? Aren't Harris when the anthy there.
36:01
Speaker 1: Their's reports are just trickling in. But someone in the hotel, uh,
36:06
Speaker 1: but very little. At this point, they are trying to
36:09
Speaker 1: connect anyone who had any contact with him. Remember this
36:12
Speaker 1: was a high roller, Nancy. He frequented this this hotel
36:16
Speaker 1: quite a bit, spent more than a million dollars there.
36:18
Speaker 1: That so much that they had calmped him a free suite,
36:21
Speaker 1: which is common with big gamblers. So you know, he
36:25
Speaker 1: had met Mary Lou Danley's girlfriend at a casino and Reno.
36:28
Speaker 1: So he was a you know, you could call him
36:31
Speaker 1: a night prowler. Probably at the casino here knew a
36:34
Speaker 1: lot of people in a very cursory way from his gambling.
36:38
Speaker 1: So they've got to rule all those people out, people
36:41
Speaker 1: who had and came in contacting with him at the
36:43
Speaker 1: at bars, at the tables, uh, and and in the hotel.
36:47
Speaker 1: You know, I think he had planned an even bigger
36:49
Speaker 1: assault to Cheryl McCullum, crime scene investigator in the director
36:53
Speaker 1: of the coal case INSTITTI because in his car we
36:56
Speaker 1: now know he had two fifty pound tens uh, the
37:01
Speaker 1: explosive tanner righte it was in Um, wait a minute,
37:04
Speaker 1: it was in two twenty pound tens and one tin
37:06
Speaker 1: pound ten. He also had sixteen hundred, one thousand, six
37:11
Speaker 1: hundred rounds of ammunition. If he had shot his car
37:16
Speaker 1: or somehow set his car on fire, Cheryl, who know
37:19
Speaker 1: what would have happened. It would have been so divantrous, Nancy,
37:23
Speaker 1: it's beyond our comprehension. Um. He also there's a theory
37:27
Speaker 1: that he might have tried to hit some aviation tank
37:30
Speaker 1: full of fuel. And again you're talking about taking out
37:33
Speaker 1: thousands of people at that point, all eyes now on
37:37
Speaker 1: the girl friend. Take a listen to what else her
37:40
Speaker 1: lawyer has to say. I have a statement to read
37:43
Speaker 1: from my clientarily damnly. I am devastated by the deaths
37:46
Speaker 1: and injuries that have occurred in My prayers go out
37:50
Speaker 1: to the victims and their families and all those who
37:54
Speaker 1: have been hurt by these awful events. I had faith
37:58
Speaker 1: in God, and I will continue to pray for everyone
38:03
Speaker 1: who has been harmed or hurt. I am a mother
38:08
Speaker 1: and a grandmother, and my heart breaks for all who
38:13
Speaker 1: have lost loved ones. I knew Stephen Paddock as a kind, caring,
38:20
Speaker 1: quiet man. I loved him and hoped for a quiet
38:26
Speaker 1: future together with him. He never said anything to me
38:32
Speaker 1: or took any action that I was aware of that
38:36
Speaker 1: I understood in any way to be a warning that
38:40
Speaker 1: something horrible like this was going to happen. A little
38:45
Speaker 1: more than two weeks ago, Stephen told me he found
38:49
Speaker 1: the cheap ticket for me to the Philippines and that
38:53
Speaker 1: he wanted me to take a trip home to see
38:56
Speaker 1: my family. Like all Filipinos abroad, I was excited to
39:01
Speaker 1: go home and see family and friends. While there. He
39:07
Speaker 1: wired me money what he said was for me to
39:10
Speaker 1: buy a house for me and my family. I was grateful,
39:15
Speaker 1: but honestly, I was worried that first the unexpected trip
39:21
Speaker 1: home and then the money was a way of breaking
39:24
Speaker 1: up with me. It never occurred to me in any
39:27
Speaker 1: way whatsoever that he was planning violence against anyone. I
39:33
Speaker 1: have not made a statement until now because I have
39:35
Speaker 1: been cooperating with the authorities, and I voluntarily flew back
39:40
Speaker 1: to America because I know that the FBI in Las
39:43
Speaker 1: Vegas Police Department wanted to talk to me, and I
39:46
Speaker 1: want to talk to them. I will cooperate fully with
39:50
Speaker 1: their investigation. Anything I can do to help ease suffering
39:56
Speaker 1: and help it anyway I will do. Please respect my
40:00
Speaker 1: privacy and my family's privacy. Thank you, you know, Cheryl McCullum.
40:07
Speaker 1: The reason that they are believing he must have had
40:09
Speaker 1: an accomplice is because of all of this, Emma. I mean,
40:13
Speaker 1: how did he get it up to his room. I'm wondering,
40:16
Speaker 1: chryl if he didn't do it in phases like check
40:19
Speaker 1: in with two bags and then go out to his
40:21
Speaker 1: car and bring in more. Right, I have no doubt
40:24
Speaker 1: he's teeth milled it again. Namecy the largest crime scene
40:27
Speaker 1: I've ever been a part of was the Olympics, and
40:29
Speaker 1: as you will know, there was planning. They were patient
40:33
Speaker 1: or he was patient. I have no doubt all three
40:36
Speaker 1: thirty You know, the thirty three guns are going to
40:38
Speaker 1: come back to him. The room is his, the planning
40:41
Speaker 1: was his. It's all gonna point to him. He did
40:44
Speaker 1: this by himself. So what do you make of the
40:47
Speaker 1: girlfriend's claim Dr Bethany Marshall that she thought he sent
40:51
Speaker 1: her away to break up with her. Well, it was
40:54
Speaker 1: a beautifully crafted statement, and I'm sure she was helped
40:57
Speaker 1: by her attorney. UM that that, Um, he was a
41:02
Speaker 1: kind and quiet man. She didn't know that he was
41:05
Speaker 1: planning to do this. She thought that he was going
41:07
Speaker 1: to break up with her. Um. But I'm very disturbed
41:11
Speaker 1: by something her brother said on g m A yesterday.
41:14
Speaker 1: The brother said that when she when he called Mary
41:17
Speaker 1: Lou to let her know what Stephen had done, one
41:21
Speaker 1: of her first comments was I have a clear conscience.
41:25
Speaker 1: That was a very odd response. Um, not oh my god,
41:31
Speaker 1: what what do you mean? Or he killed dozens of
41:35
Speaker 1: people or what are you talking about? That? That was
41:38
Speaker 1: not her first response. It was I have a clean conscience.
41:41
Speaker 1: So It tells me that while she may not have
41:44
Speaker 1: been consciously aware that he was planning this, she knew
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Speaker 1: at some unconscious or disavowed level that something very strange
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Speaker 1: was going on in her household. You cannot tell me
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Speaker 1: that a woman can live in a house with that
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Speaker 1: many guns that are being stockpiled and he's not thinking
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Speaker 1: about it, She's not wondering about it. And Nancy, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen the pictures of the of
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Speaker 1: the home that they shared, but it looks like the
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Speaker 1: garage is barricaded in front. I've been looking at that
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Speaker 1: picture over and over again, the image of the home,
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Speaker 1: and it doesn't look like there's a regular garage door.
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Speaker 1: It looks like it's been replaced with some kind of
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Speaker 1: a barricade. So how can she go in and out
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Speaker 1: of the house and not noticed that a whole section
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Speaker 1: of the house has been barricaded or closed off? And
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Speaker 1: I'm taking a look at this level of planning, guys.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the SWAT team noticed that two cameras were
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Speaker 1: placed on a room service car outside of Paddock suite,
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Speaker 1: and one was in the peep hole of the door.
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Speaker 1: There was also a baby monitor camera and the family
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Speaker 1: area of this hotel room must have been a big suite.
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Speaker 1: Um what did that mean? Was he using these to
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Speaker 1: see people as they approached? Did his exit plan involve
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Speaker 1: the security guard? Remember Jysu's camp post was investigating the
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Speaker 1: gunfire separate from the police. He approached Paddock's room and
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Speaker 1: saw the campus, saw the camera. Then Paddock started firing.
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Speaker 1: He fired over two hundred rounds through his hotel door
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Speaker 1: into the hallway. Incredible. I just I know people are
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Speaker 1: looking for the reasons why, and of course under the law,
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Speaker 1: prosecutors do not have to show motive or show why,
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Speaker 1: but we can't help Sheryl McCollum uh to try to
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Speaker 1: figure it out. Absolutely, And Nancy, I remember something you
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Speaker 1: said a long time ago. You said, I'm never gonna
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Speaker 1: be able to accept any motives they give me. And
43:42
Speaker 1: that's how I felt today. There's nothing anybody could possibly
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Speaker 1: say that I would accept. There's a reason for doing
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Speaker 1: what he did. And I'm gonna tell you again, he
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Speaker 1: acted alone. He was the only one in that room.
43:54
Speaker 1: He's the only one they found. He's the only one
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Speaker 1: that fired any of those weapons. They'll be the only
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Speaker 1: thing of insonem period. He did it. Why do you
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Speaker 1: think they insist on saying that he had an accomplished Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: He may have had some help getting something to the room.
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Speaker 1: He may have had some help, you know, stopping the
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Speaker 1: things in his car. But I'm talking about actually firing
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Speaker 1: and murdering people. He did that. He did it, and
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Speaker 1: when they got close enough to him, it took his
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Speaker 1: own life. Like the punk. He want question, do you, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: what do you believe is the nature of the girlfriend's involvement.
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Speaker 1: I believe that she is the only person that can
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Speaker 1: tell us unequivocally what his last month, weeks, days and
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Speaker 1: hours were like. He was literally descending in hell, and
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Speaker 1: she did what would have been the clothes Dr bethany Well,
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Speaker 1: I heard one report that he was acting paranoid, he
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Speaker 1: was becoming disheveled. So I would say, in a case
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Speaker 1: like that, um, it's a really good question. I would
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Speaker 1: look for poor grooming. I would look for a paranoid
45:02
Speaker 1: thought process. I would look for unexplained absences, a lot
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Speaker 1: of money, um leaving their bank accounts. UM. I would
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Speaker 1: think about how he was talking about people in that household.
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Speaker 1: Because you know, these shooters, they really romanticize and they
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Speaker 1: plan and they love the process of getting ready to
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Speaker 1: carry out, getting ready to carry out the mass murder.
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Speaker 1: So was he talking about gun violence? Was he watching
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Speaker 1: violent programs? Was here romanticizing violence in any particular way?
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Speaker 1: That's what I would want to know from her. Never
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Speaker 1: one thing in Nancy, Yeah, go ahead, and and the
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Speaker 1: other planning. He he was a loner. He hated people
45:50
Speaker 1: seeing people in the neighborhood, had built a sense that
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Speaker 1: was so ugly the rest of the neighbors signed a petition.
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Speaker 1: One report had to for him to take it down.
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Speaker 1: His comment was, I don't want to see anybody, and
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Speaker 1: I don't want anyone watching me. And he picked this
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Speaker 1: cold de sact, this house on a cold de sac,
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Speaker 1: police believe, because it was away from everything and faced
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Speaker 1: a an expanse of emptiness out back. Uh. He paid
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Speaker 1: cash for this house three M six or five thousand dollars. Uh,
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Speaker 1: right there on the spot. Picked it out because of
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Speaker 1: the location. Police believe it was a way it was
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Speaker 1: hidden he could carry out whatever nefarious activity seas are
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Speaker 1: planning there well. Right now, investigators calling on everyone's help
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Speaker 1: as they try to identify a mystery woman allegedly seen
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Speaker 1: with the Vegas killer in the days leading up to
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Speaker 1: the massacre. Several law enforcement are now saying they don't
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Speaker 1: know if she has a connection to the attack, but
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Speaker 1: they want to speak with her as they pieced together
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Speaker 1: a timeline. So, Aunt Harris, how are they going about
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Speaker 1: finding this mystery woman? Las Vegas has one of those
46:56
Speaker 1: places I've been their number of times, conventions and reporting. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Every place has a camera, it seems, and like the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Olympics share. We may remember the way they pieced
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Speaker 1: together uh little identify a little little photo snippets uh
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Speaker 1: of the bomber. They're like they will here. They went
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Speaker 1: over every frame of every uh camera that they could
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Speaker 1: find in the hotel, outside the hotel, so they will
47:23
Speaker 1: have a lot of video to go over and see
47:26
Speaker 1: what frames are other people in with him, uh and
47:31
Speaker 1: try to identify those people. So uh, it's it's it's
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Speaker 1: a long, tedious process, a lot of stuff to to
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Speaker 1: look at, as you know, but they're gonna find somebody
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna put this together. I am fascinated though,
47:42
Speaker 1: by his his upbringing, Nancy. Uh, you know, as his
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Speaker 1: brother said, you know, we were poor. We traveled because
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Speaker 1: my father was a bank robber, they never knew him. Uh,
47:54
Speaker 1: and so I am wondering that you know what what
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Speaker 1: his upbringing may have had to do with this. So
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Speaker 1: his his is a petty bank robber who made headlines
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Speaker 1: as bank robber. This is gonna sure one up, daddy.
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Speaker 1: By God, I will show you. I'll make a headline
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Speaker 1: that's bigger than anything you ever did. You abandoned us.
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Speaker 1: We never you've got any help from you. I had
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Speaker 1: to take care of my mother. And his brother said
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Speaker 1: that he had managed his mother's money, so she's now
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Speaker 1: comfortable and retired in Florida. He had taken care of business,
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Speaker 1: but maybe this is one unfinished piece of business that
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Speaker 1: had been swirling around in his head for many, many years,
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Speaker 1: and he was not going to go out with a
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