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  Speaker 2: Well, good morning. Good morning.
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday feels like Friday, one of those weeks. It feels
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  Speaker 1: like a long week. It's dark outside.
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  Speaker 3: It's rainy.
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  Speaker 1: We've fallen back, but not in time, only in perhaps temperament,
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  Speaker 1: the timing, and the lightness. This is our first fall
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  Speaker 1: without going back into fall savings time. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's called, but thanks to Premier David Eby
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  Speaker 1: for that one. If you find yourself up Picking dog
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  Speaker 1: poo up, walking your dog this morning, listening to me,
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  Speaker 1: and it's dark.
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  Speaker 3: There's only one man to blame.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who that is, but it's probably David
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  Speaker 1: Eby somehow. Aileen Machel, former Deputy Chief of Staff, Premier
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  Speaker 1: David Eby. You helped change the very fabric of time
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  Speaker 1: and space with this daylight savings time announcement. Do you
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  Speaker 1: like how dark it is in the morning now?
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  Speaker 2: You know, this announcement actually happened after I was out
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  Speaker 2: of the Premier's office, so But it's a big one.
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  Speaker 2: I know that people are happy to not have to
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  Speaker 2: change their clocks, but it is a little bit early
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  Speaker 2: for that, Rob.
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  Speaker 4: We're still in September.
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  Speaker 3: God damn it.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like we're in December. I haven't even bought
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  Speaker 1: my Christmas presents yet. Election takes tolls on people. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying it takes a toll. It is only Tuesday. Nonetheless,
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  Speaker 1: let us take a look at what is happening today
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  Speaker 1: on the agenda. The BC Greens at 10.30 with leader
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  Speaker 1: Emily Lowen in Esquimalt with an announcement on renters, housing,
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  Speaker 1: and their affordability plan alongside two new South Island candidates,
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  Speaker 1: the BC Conservatives and leader Lauren Dirksen in Langley today
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  Speaker 1: at 1 o'clock to make a policy announcement, says the party.
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  Speaker 1: The NDP still not sharing what it's doing a day
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  Speaker 1: in advance. I have no clue what is happening there.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that David Eby will be with the
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister today Mark Carney at 11 o'clock to announce
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  Speaker 1: what appears to be a final investment decision by the
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  Speaker 1: consortium behind LNG Canada in phase two of that project
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  Speaker 1: that's in Vancouver. Then the prime minister has an ocean
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  Speaker 1: protection announcement at 1.20 in the afternoon, perhaps to help
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  Speaker 1: prime the pump, so to speak, for the impending oil
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  Speaker 1: pipeline announcement from Alberta to BC's coast in the coming days, Aileen.
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  Speaker 1: I think Premier Eby is going to be there, maybe
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  Speaker 1: wearing his premier's hat instead of his campaign hat, for
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  Speaker 1: a consequential announcement like this.
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  Speaker 3: That's just my guess. It's impossible to get.
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  Speaker 1: Any information out of the NDP these days on things
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  Speaker 1: like that. So just a guess there.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think?
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure if he'll be there, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: But regardless, he will probably have things to say about
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  Speaker 2: it because when Prime Minister Carney comes to town.
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  Speaker 4: You know it's something big.
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  Speaker 2: And that one thing that we've been waiting to hear
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  Speaker 2: about is that potential final investment decision on LNG Canada
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  Speaker 2: Phase 2. And I think major projects like this are
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  Speaker 2: an example of the kind of work that the BC
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  Speaker 2: NDP team, through David, his cabinet, have been working closely
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  Speaker 2: with the federal government on and really trying to drive
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  Speaker 2: that point home that BC is the economic engine of Canada.
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  Speaker 2: The last really big announcement that I remember Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: Carney did in BC was that massive one at the
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  Speaker 2: start of summer, the $ 20 billion in investment for BC project.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot of that was tied to keeping the
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  Speaker 2: North Coast tanker ban in place, something that was opposed
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  Speaker 2: by the B.C. Conservatives at the time. So I think
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  Speaker 2: all eyes are going to be on this event with
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  Speaker 2: Prime Minister Carney today to see what kind of good
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  Speaker 2: news is in store for people here. And then listening
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  Speaker 2: to the party leaders on what they have to say
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  Speaker 2: about this news.
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  Speaker 1: Worth going into some of the party leader announcements from
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  Speaker 1: yesterday on this and other things. EB was in Prince
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  Speaker 1: Rupert announcing a plan to double critical minerals and mining
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  Speaker 1: in the next few years.
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  Speaker 3: Here he is on that.
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  Speaker 5: Our commitment is to double in the next five years
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  Speaker 5: the critical metals and minerals that we produce in British
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  Speaker 5: Columbia for export. And we're going to do that in
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  Speaker 5: a number of different ways. Right now, We have almost
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  Speaker 5: 20 critical metals and minerals mines in the province that
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  Speaker 5: represent almost $ 40 billion in capital investment, almost $ 40 billion
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  Speaker 5: in GDP growth. But for British Columbians, tens of thousands
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  Speaker 5: of jobs, almost $ 40 billion in provincial tax revenues, municipal
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  Speaker 5: tax revenues, federal tax revenues, that we don't have to
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  Speaker 5: come to you and your family for when you're struggling
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  Speaker 5: with affordability, that will enable us to deliver the health
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  Speaker 5: care and the social services that you need.
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  Speaker 1: A little siren in the background reminds me of when
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  Speaker 1: you're opening the shuttle bay door. It just kind of
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  Speaker 1: lets everyone know that the space lock is opening. That's
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  Speaker 1: the premier in Prince Rupert at the port, where he
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  Speaker 1: was also announcing support for port expansion. Let's hear BC
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  Speaker 1: Conservative leader Lorne Dirksen in Vancouver announcing his plan to
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  Speaker 1: double natural gas exports in LNG Look for the similarities,
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  Speaker 1: if you can find them, between the two leaders here.
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  Speaker 6: We will unleash incredible economic growth across every single region
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  Speaker 6: of this province. And the revenue that this will generate,
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  Speaker 6: the taxes, will do something fundamentally important. It will keep
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  Speaker 6: taxes low for hardworking families in British Columbia. It will
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  Speaker 6: fund the social programs that we all rely on. It
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  Speaker 6: pays for new hospitals. It will pay for schools. It
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  Speaker 6: will pave the roads. But beyond the economics, there's a
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  Speaker 6: strategic imperative. By building these facilities and reaching global markets,
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  Speaker 6: we stay resilient. And I can't stress that enough. We
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  Speaker 6: break free from relying on a single buyer in the U.S.
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  Speaker 6: That's true economic strength for British Columbia.
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  Speaker 3: So similar.
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  Speaker 1: It's like data and lore all put together. Neither of
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  Speaker 1: them had the emotion chip. They're both just standing there
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  Speaker 1: going away. But a lot of overlapping, basically just reading
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  Speaker 1: the same thing there about grow this sector to reduce
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  Speaker 1: having to pay taxes and keep the services going.
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  Speaker 2: So this is really fascinating to me as well. And
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  Speaker 2: it was something that I noticed over the last few days.
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  Speaker 2: So of course, we've entered this jobs and economy theme
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  Speaker 2: this week. And David had been talking about it last
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  Speaker 2: week too, but this week we sort of have these
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  Speaker 2: dueling announcements happening. Whereas last week, the first few days
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  Speaker 2: of the campaign did seem to be dominated by the
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  Speaker 2: timing of the election, at least through news stories, which
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  Speaker 2: was similar in 2020. But now we're looking at substantive
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  Speaker 2: policy announcements in similar themes that people can sink their
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  Speaker 2: teeth into. I think, you know, the jobs and economy
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  Speaker 2: theme is not something that is new to David. He
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  Speaker 2: has been talking about it for some time, ever since
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  Speaker 2: Trump came in and we were thrown into the trade war.
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  Speaker 2: You know, tens of billions worth of major projects and
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  Speaker 2: that sort of thing. I think it is incredibly interesting
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  Speaker 2: to me to see, though, the two parties sort of
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  Speaker 2: trying to follow the same theme. Because in the days
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  Speaker 2: leading up to the writ drop, I'd seen some conservative
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  Speaker 2: commentators sort of downplaying this. the Trump threat and downplaying
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  Speaker 2: the need for an election to deal with Trump. So
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  Speaker 2: now it seems like they're pivoting entirely to lean into Trump.
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  Speaker 2: And some of the messaging that I've seen is actually
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  Speaker 2: cooker cutter messaging that David's been using for the last
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  Speaker 2: year and eight months, dating back to when I was
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  Speaker 2: in his office. And as a political communicator, I pay
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  Speaker 2: close attention to themes and messaging used by different parties.
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  Speaker 2: So a couple of examples I noticed. So Dirksen's Sunday event,
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  Speaker 2: he opened saying, This is a time when BC and
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  Speaker 2: Canada are facing a bully in Donald Trump, an administration
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  Speaker 2: that wants to weaken us and break us. It stood
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  Speaker 2: out to me when I was watching because that's a
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  Speaker 2: line that we've heard before, not from the BC Conservatives,
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  Speaker 2: but from the NDP many, many times. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a big swing or shift for the BC Conservatives.
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  Speaker 2: Another example of one that I saw yesterday was a
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  Speaker 2: tweet from Dirksen that said, BC has what the world
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  Speaker 2: desperately needs. which is almost an identical line from David's
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  Speaker 2: Twitter a year and a bit ago. David said that
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  Speaker 2: line like a thousand times. Other people in his cabinet
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  Speaker 2: have said it. I feel like Carney maybe said it
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  Speaker 2: at the same time. Yes, and Carney uses it too.
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  Speaker 2: So it's fascinating to watch this stuff. But I do
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  Speaker 2: think it is a bit rich for the BC Conservatives
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  Speaker 2: because a year and a bit ago, they were in
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  Speaker 2: the House and some of their MLAs were voting against
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  Speaker 2: a motion to denounce Trump.
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  Speaker 4: So an interesting shift there.
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  Speaker 2: Clearly, they think they're tapping into something British Columbians want
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  Speaker 2: to hear. The one I'm watching for is BC is
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  Speaker 2: the economic engine of Canada. That's one that David uses often.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm waiting to see if the Conservatives repeat
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  Speaker 2: that one, too.
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  Speaker 3: Man, I'm old enough and I am old.
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  Speaker 1: To remember when Christy Clark used to use Economic Engine
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  Speaker 1: of Canada talking about LNG too. So time is a
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  Speaker 1: flat circle. It's just everybody just comes in and says
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  Speaker 1: kind of the same things. Speaking of saying the same things,
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  Speaker 1: here's BC Green leader Emily Lowen yesterday with an announcement
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  Speaker 1: on $ 10 a day childcare, which we'll talk about a
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  Speaker 1: little bit later, and trying to make universal free childcare
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  Speaker 1: by 2031.
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  Speaker 3: Here she is on that.
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  Speaker 7: And that's why the BC Greens are announcing our universal
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  Speaker 7: childcare policy. This means recommitting immediately to $ 10 a day
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  Speaker 7: childcare and making it free in just five years. And
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  Speaker 7: we're going to be building these centres to last for generations.
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  Speaker 1: Man, I could close my eyes and travel backwards in
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  Speaker 1: a wormhole through time and get back to when a
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  Speaker 1: new Democrat would have said that, which I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. just after the break, because we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: some of the analysis of what you've been hearing from
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  Speaker 1: the different leaders.
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  Speaker 1: Just pick back up on Emily Lowen there with a
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  Speaker 1: $ 10 a day child care, free child care announcement. That's
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  Speaker 1: the kind of big swing that I remember the NDP
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  Speaker 1: doing in three previous elections. We are year eight, year
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  Speaker 1: nine of the government. 10% of child care spaces right
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  Speaker 1: now are $ 10 a day. It's interesting to me that
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  Speaker 1: the Greens are the ones talking about this. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: even bother to cost it out anymore. If I was
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  Speaker 1: to cost this out, I would say....
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  Speaker 3: It's probably at.
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  Speaker 1: Least $ 2 billion plus the federal money, which is at
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  Speaker 1: least a couple billion dollars on the table right now
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  Speaker 1: to make free childcare, uh, instead of just $ 10 a day.
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  Speaker 1: I did a little research on this for a BC
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  Speaker 1: business magazine article recently.
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  Speaker 3: Um, didn't bother.
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  Speaker 1: The greens didn't bother doing that, which is fine, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm fascinated that the greens and they're talking about ECE child, uh, wage, uh,
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  Speaker 1: grids for the wages for the workers. We used to,
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  Speaker 1: the NDP used to champion that. And, and, uh, So
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  Speaker 1: you got the NDP premier in Prince Rupert talking LNG
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  Speaker 1: and the greasy greens talking $ 10 a day childcare. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like transported back to like 2016 when it was
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  Speaker 1: different parties saying different things. And it's fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 1: I think the greens, it can only help them to
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  Speaker 1: talk about childcare like this and cost of living because
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there are many families looking at that going, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know what? Five years for free childcare.
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  Speaker 3: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: Let's, let's get it done. So I thought it was a,
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  Speaker 1: Super interesting announcement from the Greens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think the Greens are in a position
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  Speaker 2: where they're trying to roll out announcements that will get
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  Speaker 2: them more attention. I think, you know, from the NDP's
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  Speaker 2: point of view, improving services like childcare, which are so
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  Speaker 2: important to so many families, improving services and growing the
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  Speaker 2: economy and economic development, they're not mutually exclusive, right? This
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  Speaker 2: is an extraordinary economic moment BC needs stability to move
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  Speaker 2: quickly and to work with Carney to get projects built
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  Speaker 2: and expand industries so that revenue can be generated because
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  Speaker 2: it's also about protecting services through Trump's attack and making
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  Speaker 2: sure that those services are available for people. And really
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  Speaker 2: the only way to continue to expand childcare and continue
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  Speaker 2: to strengthen healthcare and protect education and all of those
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  Speaker 2: things that people care about, we need to do so
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  Speaker 2: by also building a strong economy that can be supporting
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  Speaker 2: British Columbia in the years ahead.
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  Speaker 1: It does remind me, though, of the perils of LNG
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  Speaker 1: from previous administrations because people don't really understand it. They
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  Speaker 1: don't really know what it means and what it is.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of it's very future-facing. And I remember hearing
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  Speaker 1: from some liberals when they lost the election in 2017 that, well,
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  Speaker 1: they were up talking about LNG. families at the door
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  Speaker 1: were talking about child care costs, and they misjudged that entirely.
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  Speaker 1: They thought they could make the linkage between resource development
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  Speaker 1: and future projects 10 years down the road and revenues
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  Speaker 1: to protect services now. And in times of financial pressure
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  Speaker 1: on people, they're less, they're more interested in what happens
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  Speaker 1: right now, too. So, I mean, it's very early in
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  Speaker 1: the campaign. I assume most of all of the parties
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  Speaker 1: are going to focus on cost of living at some point.
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  Speaker 1: But it was interesting, the contrast with the Greens today.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they they made an effective choice to do
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  Speaker 1: that at the time they did it so early in
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  Speaker 1: the campaign and they got nothing to lose, right? They
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  Speaker 1: got nothing to lose at this point for the greens
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  Speaker 1: because they're going to be in tough in, in this election.
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  Speaker 3: I think, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the two
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  Speaker 1: kind of competing back and forth between EB and Dirksen
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  Speaker 1: on balancing the budget and spending cuts. We had EB
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  Speaker 1: saying that he's going to take a look at wasteful
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  Speaker 1: spending to try and get back to a path to
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  Speaker 1: balance and Economic growth, you've been talking about that, key
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  Speaker 1: to doing that. Dirksen saying he also wants to get
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  Speaker 1: back to a path of balance, but he's not sure
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  Speaker 1: how bad the books are right now, and that he
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  Speaker 1: also needs to grow the economy. And he's pledging no
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  Speaker 1: new taxes, which I think we talked about this yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what the NDP are also saying, but
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  Speaker 1: not quite saying it. I get the feeling everyone's kind
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  Speaker 1: of saying the same thing here. Hey, back to balance.
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  Speaker 1: We don't want to cut anything too bad, but there's
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  Speaker 1: lots of wasteful stuff we can cut, but also we've
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  Speaker 1: got to grow the economy. It's almost the same, but
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  Speaker 1: they're both kind of throwing it back at each other's
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  Speaker 1: faces at the same time on those issues early in
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  Speaker 1: the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: I think there are two distinctions I can think of
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  Speaker 2: off the top of my head. So the first piece
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  Speaker 2: is on the taxes. So we did see the announcement
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  Speaker 2: from Premier Eby on Friday about new housing taxes, and
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  Speaker 2: these are the kind of taxes that actually land really
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  Speaker 2: well with the vast majority of British Columbians, taxes like
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  Speaker 2: the speculation and vacancy tax, where it's a tiny number
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  Speaker 2: of British Columbians that pay it. And they're the folks
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  Speaker 2: that have multiple properties, some of which are sitting empty
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  Speaker 2: in the communities that are hardest hit in the housing crisis.
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  Speaker 4: So that's one thing. So, you know, Dirksen had sort
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  Speaker 4: of immediately attacked that.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other one I can think about is just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the record. So, you know, earlier in the year,
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  Speaker 2: we heard from the BC Conservatives where they zeroed in
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  Speaker 2: on healthcare and education being the ministries that would take
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  Speaker 2: the brunt of the cuts. I don't think that's ever
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  Speaker 2: something that you would hear the BC NDP saying. They've
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  Speaker 2: consistently wanted to protect the core services that people rely on.
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  Speaker 2: And so those are two of the distinctions. But I
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  Speaker 2: think that these are the kinds of questions that are
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  Speaker 2: going to come up again and again for both party leaders.
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  Speaker 2: And of course, people will learn a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: when platforms are out and available.
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  Speaker 1: Fully costed in those pages where they put their best
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  Speaker 1: estimates on different numbers that end up being interesting. But
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  Speaker 1: often in elections, you know, both parties have less access
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  Speaker 1: to the actual kind of financial numbers.
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  Speaker 3: They're more aspirational numbers than anything else. Yeah, okay. I
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  Speaker 3: want to just do a quick look at some.
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  Speaker 1: Of the candidates and a thanks to Hugh Chan, a
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  Speaker 1: UBC student who.
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  Speaker 3: Often writes about writings in data detail.
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  Speaker 1: He's running a spreadsheet that he's offering on the tweeters,
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  Speaker 1: if you get on there, where he's listing all the
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  Speaker 1: different candidates in real time as their name for the party.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So according to his calculations here, and I don't have
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: time to do these calculations, I just don't. They're very
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: complex mathematical equations. There's 55 declared NDP candidates. I saw
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: a few Yesterday, Jody Wickens running again in Coquitlam-Burke Mountain.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Linda Lee in Richmond Bridgeport, who's a real estate agent,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: ran for the party last election. And a longtime Cranbrook
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: City Councillor Norma Blissett in Kootenay Rockies announced for the NDP.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: The Conservatives have 61 candidates declared. Some of note, Warren
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Murko in Kootenay Monashie. He's the executive director of the
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Public Land Use Society that's been doing some campaigns on
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: park closures and land transfers to First Nations. And Anmore
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Mayor John McEwen, running for the Conservatives in Port Moody,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Birk Quitlam. He's also the vice chair of the Metro
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Vancouver Board, which is the least popular, most scandal-plagued level
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of government in British Columbia currently. And that's saying a lot.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: That is saying a lot. It takes a lot to
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: get that title. That's a very special title, and Metro
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Vancouver has earned it the hard way. So that may
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: be tossed back in his face a little bit.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: And the Greens.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: The announcement on child care was actually made with Emily
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Lowen and Carolyn Howe, who's the president of the Greater
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Victoria Teachers Association, who was running for the Greens in
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Victoria's Swan Lake.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Teachers unions typically have swung towards the NDP in the past.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: This is obviously not a union endorsement, but to have
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: a top union official, especially after collective bargaining in the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: last little while, go with the Greens is a good
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: get for the Greens. And then 1BC, which I'm not
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: going to spend a lot of time on for various reasons,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: announcing a strategic plan.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: You can't see my air quotes there around strategic.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: To not run candidates against eight conservative MLAs who Dallas
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Brody believes are true conservatives. Again, you can't see my
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: air quotes. Or principled also air quotes, that were mostly
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the cadre of the KLF crew. So Heather Maas and
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Anna Kindy and Sharon Hartwell and Sheldon Clare and David Williams,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: also David Williams' mustache, which is running in a totally
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: separate writing, as folks who the 1BC is not going
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to run against, which I think is kind of a
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: move for them to hope that the extreme members of
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the caucus, extremer, more extreme, extremist, they get in easier
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: and wield more influence in the conservatives, while the moderates
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: have to fight out type of vote splits against 1BC
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: and Centre BC in other ridings.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I've already said way.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: More about this than I care to say, but I
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: guess it's interesting if you consider that 1BC is polling
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: at a number that's so small, I can't even see it,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: but maybe in some ridings, This makes a difference, Aileen.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: It's certainly something the.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: NDP could point out at the alignment between 1BC and
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: those candidates who are remnants of the KLF crew.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the idea of the party continuing to be
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: beholden to these extreme interests, the sort of culture war pushers,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: folks who supported Trump-style politics.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: And that sort of thing.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of, Brody is sort of offering that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: up to the NDP in a platter there. So that
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is just some candidates. We're, I think, a few days
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: away from the candidate cutoff and nowhere near close to
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: 93 candidates, but we will continue on that. Aileen, you know,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: we're running late here already in the show, but as
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: you can tell from the dark mornings and the toll,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the immense toll, that this campaign has taken on me.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I've fallen back on my old habit of watching Star
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Trek movies and was watching Star Trek, the undiscovered country.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: And I, for no particular reason, I'm going to play
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: this clip from it because it's my show and I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: can do what the hell I want. And if you're
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: still listening at 22 minutes, you will listen to it
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: and you will enjoy it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 8: I offer a toast. The undiscovered country.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: The future.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: The undiscovered country.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Hamlet, Act 3, Scene 1.
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: in the original Klingon.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: So many good actors in that scene, because you have
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Christopher Plummer, who is the top general for the Klingons there,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and then you have Mark Werner, who is the Klingon chancellor,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and this is a little bit of trivia for Mark Werner.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: He was also in The Search for Spock as a scientist,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: and he played the most famous role, which is the
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Cardassian interrogator in Star Trek The Next Generation who interrogated
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Picard to force him.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: To see four lights. Do you remember that? Same actor?
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: Oh, yes.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Same actor, the British accent, the gravitas.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: That's so good. That's the only thing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And I'll be very honest here with you, the only
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: thing keeping me going on this campaign trail is dipping
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: back into the Star Trek well. I encourage you all.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: to find your own version of Star Trek to keep
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you going in these dark mornings here on the campaign trail.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I know you like Star Trek, Aileen, so you'd appreciate that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, yes.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: We could have an entire podcast just on Star Trek.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But this actually reminds me of Duolingo because I've been
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: sort of skipping a few days because of all the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: craziness over the last couple of weeks trying to keep
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: up with political developments.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: But I'm back into it. And one of the languages
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: that I have on mine is Klingon.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: You can learn Klingon in Duolingo?
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: You can learn Klingon on Duolingo.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: There's like a whole language.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: Wow.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: It's not spoken by many humans, but it's pretty fun.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: And it got me thinking recently about Star Trek and
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: political campaigns, because I think there are some similarities in
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: the characters on Star Trek and the characters that you
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: need to run a well-functioning political team.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: So hear me out here.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So for example, the policy wonks that think with logic
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and lots of math and technical details, they focus less
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: on the emotional impact. So they're like, data or maybe
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: a Vulcan because Vulcans are all about logic and science
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and less so on emotions and feelings of people. But
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: then you've got political communicators and they really try to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: tap into people's emotions and understand how people feel about
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: an issue or topic so they can better communicate with voters.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So I guess that's Deanna Troy because she's an empath
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: from Betazed. So this is off of The Next Generation.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: All of this, of course, is going to sound exceptionally
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: nerdy to your listeners.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Who don't listen.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I have about six people still listening right now, so
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: it's fine.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: But then also you have the Klingons in the war
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: room and they attack their opponents for the glory. But,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: but it all works better when the Aztecs are integrated
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: by a good leader, like secret nerd, Captain Kirk, integrating
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: passion and knowledge to deploy superior tactics. Like that Klingon
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: captain in the clip, learning about his adversaries by reading
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Shakespeare in the original Klingon, of course. And Captain Picard,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: surrounding himself with experts which offset his own weaknesses to
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: inform his strategy.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Who is the best captain?
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, I do love Captain Picard.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: But the best policy, it tells voters your values and
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: how you make decisions.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: The best war room attack works because you know both
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the field but also your opponents. And it takes all
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: of these folks, all of these elements, and everyone working
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: together as part of a team to reach success.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: Or in Klingon....
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: There you go. That's not bad. That's not bad.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: That's going to go viral on the social medias, I think.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: My God.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: I got the glottal attack pronunciation correct.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: We're either going crazy or this campaign is taking a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: toll on us.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Nonetheless. Week two.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Week two of, my God, there's still like 26 days,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: 25 days left in the campaign.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: So God help us.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But Aileen, thanks for chatting Star Trek with us this
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: morning and politics.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Rob.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: And thank you for listening, everyone. We'll be back tomorrow
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: with all the latest in BC politics here on Political Capital.