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Shamanism, DMT, Aliens & Angels with Library of The Untold · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen?
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  Speaker 2: What What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: One?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
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  Speaker 4: This episode, we got a very special guest back. We're
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  Speaker 4: always excited to have.
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  Speaker 2: This man here. But before we get to Joey P,
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  Speaker 2: we've been introduced to Headless Giant. What is going on? Sir?
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  Speaker 2: How will you? What is up?
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  Speaker 3: How you doing? I'm the Headless Giant. You can find
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  Speaker 3: me on YouTube and x and on Instagram as well
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  Speaker 3: at the Headless Giant Podcast. And if you have any
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  Speaker 3: sort of strange or occult slash mystical stories that you
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  Speaker 3: Podcast at gmail dot com and we will read those
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  Speaker 3: on Thursdays. On Sundays in the morning, we've got the
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  Speaker 3: Trialogues with Ethan and Ricardo, which is always fun. Last
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  Speaker 3: time we were talking about exile and how we should bring
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  Speaker 3: it back and uh. On Mondays, I'm now doing a
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  Speaker 3: show with Arasop about alchemy, so definitely check that out.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna the apartment. Oh yeah, it's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 5: Ooh, literal alchemy.
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  Speaker 4: Huh he's gonna burn his house then, Oh yeah, buddy,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna be able to watch that live.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna I'm at a rental, you know, like I
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  Speaker 3: read it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, just don't blow your face up. But it's you're
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  Speaker 2: all good, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, definitely check out his that new show,
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  Speaker 4: especially with Arrows or some chick too.
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  Speaker 2: She's pretty good at what she does.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: It's nice to see them actually working together. It should
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  Speaker 4: be some pretty good ship. Yeah, and the Thursday show. Please,
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  Speaker 4: if you have any stories, please send them in and
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  Speaker 4: give an address and I will send you free stickers
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  Speaker 4: so you know, can make it happen. And something I
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  Speaker 4: do want to mention, I did want to mention, so
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  Speaker 4: I make sure I stick to it. Also, is that
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  Speaker 4: after after this event that I'm going to this weekend,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I have any coming up, or if
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  Speaker 4: they are, they're down the road. But after that, hopefully
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  Speaker 4: in the Monday after Halloween or whatever, or the week
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  Speaker 4: after that, we should in November, me and Headless, I
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  Speaker 4: think we're going to start, and I think on Tuesdays
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  Speaker 4: we're going to go through page by page seven seven
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  Speaker 4: seven by Alista Crowley, So check that out. That should
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  Speaker 4: be a very lengthy, lengthy thing to do. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna risk it, we're gonna try it, and you're muted.
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  Speaker 3: Again headless, oh dear muted sorry very much integrated with
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  Speaker 3: alchemy as well, So these two things go together very
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  Speaker 3: well and you'll be able to see that coming up,
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  Speaker 3: so definitely stay tuned.
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  Speaker 2: Yes sir, And now that's enough out of me.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but real quick, check out the Arkansas Paranormal Expert.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, if you're interested, I'll be there, so.
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  Speaker 4: Lake No No, Little Rock, Jesus Christ, that's your toah
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  Speaker 4: Little Rock, Orkansas. I'll be there for two days and
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  Speaker 4: two floors. If you go look at the older ones
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  Speaker 4: that has happened, you will see this place is fucking
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  Speaker 4: packed and there's a lot of people there. There should
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  Speaker 4: be hundreds of people there. There'll be vendors outside. There's
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  Speaker 4: gonna be fucking food trucks do so. Oh and if
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  Speaker 4: you're really into it, and if you actually think somebody
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  Speaker 4: is hearing you, at two pm on Saturday, there will be.
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  Speaker 2: A bigfoot call fucking contest. So that should be real entertaining, So.
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  Speaker 4: Come check that out. That should be worth it on
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  Speaker 4: its own for ten bucks.
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  Speaker 1: So uh yeah, games until one shows up, Well, yeah, amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking tans my ass apart here. You think I'm fake, motherfucker?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, but uh yeah, so check that out.
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  Speaker 4: And uh, here we are with Joey P from Library
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  Speaker 4: the Untold. What is going on, sir? How are you
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  Speaker 4: please let everybody know what up and what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Well? I run the show library area of the Untold,
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  Speaker 1: and uh it's become kind of a habit now. Every
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  Speaker 1: time I fall into a new rabbit hole, I start
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  Speaker 1: production on a new video and I come on here
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  Speaker 1: with you guys to uh get it out of my
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  Speaker 1: system and let it air out a little bit before
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  Speaker 1: I actually finalize the script.
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  Speaker 5: And it's been working out so far, so good.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike Headless, though, please do not send me your paranormal stories.
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  Speaker 5: I don't want them. Stop doing it, all right?
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  Speaker 1: But uh now, but I have a new rabbit hole
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  Speaker 1: for you gentlemen today that involves d MT aliens, shamanism,
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  Speaker 1: and a little bit of being not afraid action you
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  Speaker 1: know from the Bible. But before we jump into that,
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  Speaker 1: I was wondering if you guys would indulge me in
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  Speaker 1: playing a little game and we could possibly I know,
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  Speaker 1: there's only you know, well, I invite your audience to
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  Speaker 1: play the game as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So basically what I'm gonna do is I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: read eight accounts firsthand from people who are giving their
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  Speaker 1: accounts to either one of two options. These will be
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  Speaker 1: from doctor Rick Strassman's DMT research trials from the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: You know that Spirit Molecule movie is insane.
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  Speaker 1: I watched the documentary. Yeah, yeah, Or it'll be from
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  Speaker 1: doctor John Ma's abduction research from Harvard also in the nineties,
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  Speaker 1: because these guys were doing their research at the same
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  Speaker 1: time and then crossed notes later. And it's amazing synchronicity
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  Speaker 1: set of stories that happen with these guys. Because these
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  Speaker 1: studies that I have been looking at lately, I have
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  Speaker 1: no notice that between the two case reports of either
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  Speaker 1: volunteers on DMT or psychological research of abductees, the similarities
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  Speaker 1: between the DMT experience and the abduction experience are absolutely profound.
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  Speaker 1: The reason we think that their different experiences is because
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  Speaker 1: of pop culture. So before we jump into this case
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  Speaker 1: and point is that a very small percentage of abduction
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  Speaker 1: scenarios are by people who wants to go public. Those
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  Speaker 1: are the only ones that we hear about, and those
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  Speaker 1: are the ones they put on Discovery Channel, History Channel,
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  Speaker 1: they make movies out of them.
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  Speaker 5: Right, these are the people who want to be seen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they're fake, but I'm saying that
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  Speaker 1: those are the ones who want to be seen.
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  Speaker 5: Are the ones that we get to see.
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  Speaker 1: That has transformed the abduction experience into a Samola crab,
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  Speaker 1: basically of the stereotypical alien abduction experience that we have today. However,
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  Speaker 1: doctor John Mack, a renowned Harvard psychologist, made the observations
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  Speaker 1: about his clients, say, there's a comment what's up Vanessa?
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  Speaker 1: That these are the people who don't want to come
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  Speaker 1: forward and they need help, and they give them a
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  Speaker 1: psychiatric evaluation first and all that, and from his professional
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  Speaker 1: point of view, he makes it clear to the readers
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  Speaker 1: that these anonymous people have reoccurring events that happened to
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  Speaker 1: them at night. And not only can he not explain it,
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  Speaker 1: but these people are not what you would consider crazy.
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  Speaker 1: They pass all of the boxes and check all the
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  Speaker 1: marks to be sane, and they're just looking for help.
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  Speaker 1: So before we go into this little game, I want
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  Speaker 1: everybody to keep in mind that throw out the window.
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  Speaker 1: What you've heard about alien abduction. Because we're going to
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  Speaker 1: read from the people who didn't want to be on TV.
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  Speaker 1: You know, now, I don't have to give you a.
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  Speaker 5: Big spiel about the other half of this with.
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  Speaker 1: Because with doctor Rick Strassman's studies, we don't have red
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  Speaker 1: flags coming up out.
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  Speaker 5: Of nowhere from our programming.
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  Speaker 1: We know that DMT is very mysterious, and this was
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  Speaker 1: a volunteer trial. So what we read the accounts in
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  Speaker 1: this particular case are pretty much scientifically legitimate.
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  Speaker 5: This is what people experience, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But the viewer and the two of you will have
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  Speaker 1: to choose after each one if it came from a
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  Speaker 1: d MT study I'm doing the wrong book, or an
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  Speaker 1: abduction case with doctor John mc. Are you gentlemen ready, ell?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll stop young Blood, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Case number one Jeremiah, he says, I felt like an
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  Speaker 1: infant to them.
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  Speaker 5: A machine in.
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  Speaker 1: The center of the room had a round conduit writhing,
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  Speaker 1: not like a snake, but in a technical manner.
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  Speaker 5: It felt like I was. It felt like it was
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  Speaker 5: reprogrammed me.
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  Speaker 1: There was a human person standing on a council observing
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  Speaker 1: results from the machine about my brain I am not
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  Speaker 1: speaking in metaphors, and I am not hallucinating.
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  Speaker 5: It's too proximal.
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  Speaker 1: They don't return you where you left off, but to
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  Speaker 1: where things have gone since their work got done.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, to me, it would sound like that's a deduction.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm just going to go with DMT because se
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  Speaker 4: if it's a trick.
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  Speaker 3: Headlessly, Yeah, I got to go with the opposite of
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  Speaker 3: my initial impression. I gotta say DMT too.
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  Speaker 1: You guys might be on to me because these are
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  Speaker 1: cherry picks, but they're good examples. Jeremiah is in doctor
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  Speaker 1: Rick Strassman's DMT research studies. All right, Number two Isabella.
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  Speaker 1: When I first sensed the being's presence in the room,
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  Speaker 1: I hear these tones and the air becomes charged. There
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  Speaker 1: is an earthquake in my body as it warms up,
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  Speaker 1: and the energy reaches the top of my head and
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  Speaker 1: is concentrated there. It's as if my cells are coming apart.
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  Speaker 1: They made it energy with their hands. Their hands can
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  Speaker 1: change structure. A female being touched to my head and
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  Speaker 1: I was on the other side.
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  Speaker 5: I felt, hole, what do you guys think.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say? Alien abduction even.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely, I'm gonna go alien abduction, but clearly
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  Speaker 3: that is a very similar fact too, like a shamanic yes,
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  Speaker 3: let's go, and self destruction.
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  Speaker 4: Know so many this is just my opinion and like
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  Speaker 4: stuff I was trying to say from Joey before, like
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  Speaker 4: from my experience, from magic and like the experience and
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  Speaker 4: visions and just certain things. I can easily see how
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  Speaker 4: people spin alien abduction or get confused maybe I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: or alien shit. So when this started to sound, there
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  Speaker 4: was a couple of things we hit that just you know,
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  Speaker 4: touched me. So I was like, I guarantee you this
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  Speaker 4: is an alien abduction because it sounds like something else.
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  Speaker 1: Well that case is from a patience of doctor John Mack,
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  Speaker 1: and she is an abductee.
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  Speaker 5: You guys are good. This han't fair, all right, all right?
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  Speaker 5: Philip number three says they took me above.
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  Speaker 1: A strange landscape like Earth, but not There were telescopes
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  Speaker 1: and microwave dishes or water towers.
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  Speaker 5: Things with antenna.
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  Speaker 1: The sun was different colors than ours. What do you
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  Speaker 1: guys think.
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  Speaker 3: If you didn't say the sun, I would have gone
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  Speaker 3: with the UFO, But you said the sun looked different,
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  Speaker 3: So I gotta go.
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  Speaker 2: DMT Oh, that's an interesting way to look at it.
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  Speaker 2: He Uh, you know, I'll go with alien.
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  Speaker 3: I like to mix up there, sort of end up
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: That is a doctor Rick Strassman case study report on
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  Speaker 1: empty Congratulations.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good detective work right there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I investigation could have been at all right. Number four,
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  Speaker 1: Catherine recalls her experience by saying it feels like home.
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  Speaker 5: The source.
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  Speaker 1: It's not bounded by any particular dimension universe.
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  Speaker 5: Or place and time.
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  Speaker 1: It's the energy that surrounds everything and makes life do
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  Speaker 1: whatever it's supposed to do.
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  Speaker 5: It gives energy, its energy.
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  Speaker 1: There is a knowledge so powerful we can be aware
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  Speaker 1: of our full potential. But if we were to face
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  Speaker 1: what we truly are, the trauma would be so enormous
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  Speaker 1: that the body would disintegrate. There is nothing I can
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  Speaker 1: conceive of that they didn't understand.
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  Speaker 2: I'm were to think maybe d MT sounds like a
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  Speaker 2: banging d.
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  Speaker 5: It is that would tastefully done. Yeah, what do you say, buddy.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to go with a different reasoning this time.
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  Speaker 3: So again it's that disintegration element that pops up with
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  Speaker 3: the same idea. So I'm gonna go ufo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh love it.
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  Speaker 1: I that was a case study from doctor Jim Matt
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  Speaker 1: and she was an abductee. Is an investigative journalist at
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  Speaker 1: this point, man, you know right through me.
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  Speaker 4: A shit, you died because to me, it even sounds
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  Speaker 4: like somebody crossing the abyss. And I'm like, that should
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  Speaker 4: be alien again. But I was like, I can't just
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  Speaker 4: keep going with that because even sometimes DNT sounds like
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  Speaker 4: sounds like the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, let me give that one a shot.
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  Speaker 2: But my first thought was alien, and I was like, eh, nah, can't.
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  Speaker 1: What astounds me about this is that some of these
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  Speaker 1: alien abduction reports they don't talk about entities and beings
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  Speaker 1: as much as they do what happened to them, And
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  Speaker 1: it's sometimes the opposite in both cases. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: picked out eight examples, and but I mean I could
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  Speaker 1: have picked out twenty.
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  Speaker 5: I could have done a.
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  Speaker 1: Whole episode of this like silliness, you know, but uh,
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  Speaker 1: what up? She's got a scary shirt on too. You
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  Speaker 1: guys don't have to be alone.
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  Speaker 5: In your and your scary t shirts. Number five headless
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  Speaker 5: isn't the lead by two bro?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Chris says they used their hands to feel my eyes
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  Speaker 1: and my face. They were recognizing me and identifying me.
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  Speaker 1: There were three beings. Despite having physical form, rays were
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  Speaker 1: coming out of and back into their bodies. They were
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  Speaker 1: reptilian humanoids, trying to make me understand with gestures and
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  Speaker 1: tending me to look inside their bodies. I saw underneath.
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  Speaker 1: I saw and understood reproduction, what it's like before birth,
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  Speaker 1: the passage into the body.
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  Speaker 5: Easy one, Right, what do you guys say?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm going to say that was d MD all
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  Speaker 3: right because of the rays. Mention the rays coming out
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  Speaker 3: of their faces again, like there are alien to that's true,
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  Speaker 3: but there are certain qualities to the trip environment like
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  Speaker 3: changing color of the sun, the rays. Those are some
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  Speaker 3: usual suspects right there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's the market types happening.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, we're gonna go with the alien abduction all right.
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  Speaker 5: This was a volunteer of doctor Rich Strassman and the
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  Speaker 5: d M T.
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  Speaker 2: Like, the only way I could catch up is if
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  Speaker 2: he fox up some point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm like strategically trying to pick regardless of
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  Speaker 4: what I even think.
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  Speaker 5: Headless, there's a uh he's not telling us about it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: End?
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  Speaker 4: Number six got stories for days for his own mail
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  Speaker 4: bag and he won't give them up.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Rex says.
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  Speaker 1: One of them began reassuring me because their machinery was
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  Speaker 1: initially very sinister.
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  Speaker 5: I felt like dying.
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  Speaker 1: When a female with an elongated head accompanied me, bringing
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  Speaker 1: on deep relaxation and tranquility. The rest began pouring information
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  Speaker 1: into me, but it was so intense I couldn't bear it.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted to show me how to use the machines
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  Speaker 1: to communicate with her through the device, but I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: figure it out. I felt wet stuff as they were
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  Speaker 1: dripping something on my body. They wanted me to join
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  Speaker 1: them and stay with them, and I was tempted even
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  Speaker 1: after all the wet stuff.
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  Speaker 5: That's weird.
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  Speaker 1: But what do you guys think of Rex, who was
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a carpenter by the way, O it explains him wanting
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: to stay with these beings after they dripped the wet
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  Speaker 1: stuff on them. Carpenters are weird, all of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yo, What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: No, you gotta go first. I've been going first.
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  Speaker 5: Assult that we're splitting hairs at this point, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, this one is uh go with alien abduction again?
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  Speaker 2: You know that. I feel like it's no, you're d
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.
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  Speaker 5: With the in the corner of my eye.
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  Speaker 1: As soon as I said female with an elongated head,
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  Speaker 1: I saw, I saw headless giant make up his mind
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  Speaker 1: like I could feel.
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  Speaker 4: It well, because it's like, all right, at that point,
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  Speaker 4: then I would have to acknowledge that they pete. This
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  Speaker 4: person actually saw somebody with an elongated skull and that's
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  Speaker 4: real or did he hallucinate that? That's what I started
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  Speaker 4: thinking too, So that's why I switched to DMT, because
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  Speaker 4: I was just saying alien abduction because that's what it
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  Speaker 4: sounds like.
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  Speaker 2: But I do think it really is a DMT one.
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  Speaker 1: All right, both agreed on DMT. All right, this was
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  Speaker 1: brought to you by the pleasant folks over at doctor
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  Speaker 1: Rick Strassman's laboratories, and it was DMT.
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  Speaker 5: He was tripping balls, all right.
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  Speaker 3: You know what made up my mind? It was the
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  Speaker 3: elongated skull. It was ancestral memory. Ancestral memory. This person
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  Speaker 3: had had interactions with the elongated skull peoples, you had
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  Speaker 3: some sort of a flashback to that.
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  Speaker 1: What is fascinating about that is this dude, it was
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  Speaker 1: a carpenter. And there's a bunch in the in the
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  Speaker 1: doctor Rick Strassman. These are like soccer moms. Dude, they
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  Speaker 1: ain't never heard of weird skulls. They don't And the
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  Speaker 1: shit that they talk about is straight a cult in
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  Speaker 1: many different forms, and they had no idea at the time,
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  Speaker 1: especially in the nineties. This was before the Internet, so
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  Speaker 1: even if they were referencing anything occult, it would have
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  Speaker 1: to be a dormant memory, you know. All right, we
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  Speaker 1: got a Karen now this, so this is a certified Karen.
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  Speaker 1: She says, I no longer fear death. They peel off
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the layers and the lessons start happening. I'm not going
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: to be annihilated by my own pain anymore. Pain is
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: synonymous with lesson. Where I was, there's just pure existence.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: And no barriers.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think I actually remember that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: I think I remember that actually specifically that line from
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: the d Yeah, I'm gonna go with d M T.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: All right, I'm going alien abduction.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I'm still gonna lose.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna lose even if he's wrong.
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: I still love Oh yeah, that was an alien abduction.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: Oh Jesus Christ, I really thought that lady saying something
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: about there is nothing was like a.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: In Karen's case, she had a lot of trauma in
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: her life, and whenever the aliens, whenever they were done
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: with her, they apparently explained to her in such a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: way that seems like d m T, which is continuously
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: for forcing me into the paradigm, that these are exactly
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the same thing. The spoiler alert, We have one more,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: but spoiler alert. Doctor Gallimore, the main the guy who's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: getting the torch from Rick Strassman, the new doctor on
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the New Cat on the.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Block, is talking about people with a lot.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Of stress, their indogenous d MT tends to trigger during
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: their rem sleep, So you know what I'm saying, right,
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: all right?
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: Last one is Sarah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Sarah says they were glad to see me, indicating prior
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: contact with me before they wanted to learn about my
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: physical body.
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: If this was like Jessica al Block and see why
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: they are all in on all that obsession.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: But priorities, uh, they said, humans on humans exist on
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: many levels. They were collecting blood and heart data and
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: appreciated by doing it for them. The equipment used were
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: like sticks with tear drops coming out. I wanted to
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: be a bridge for them because I always knew we
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: weren't alone in the universe that is Sarah's account. What
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: do you guys think, I oh't know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I don't even care anymore. Well then, no, no, I'm joking.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I'm joking. Uh No, I like this story, but it's like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: obviously I can't tell the difference.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Uh you can't.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That's I guess that was the point, correct? Fuck?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I mean I would again, I would think d MT,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: but it sounds like an alien. I'll go DM sticks
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: in the eyes, DMT sticks in the eyes.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: All this was a clinical trial under d MT with
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Rick Strassman, and man, you guys did better than I did,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: because when I was putting these notes together, yeah, I had.
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: I was getting all mixed up because.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I got all these like little tabs and ship in
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: here or whatever, and then I have to like, look
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: at this, look at my computer while I'm typing.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: I'd be like, and then and long get his skulls
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: in a machinery.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, there's there's so many similarities there,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: and some of the one of the creepiest ones, dude, is.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: So so this is doctor Gallimore's newest book. Uh than
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: he's a neuroscience guy and one.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Of these this is what fucked to be up so bad.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Was there's an experience in here where uh, there's these
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: insects like machines making reality, Like that's their job is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: to create reality. And then after like he was talking
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: to them, they thought he was cool, and then they
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: sent him upstairs to this higher realm where there's this woman.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: He could only see like from the belly up of
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: this woman and her hair was blue and green, in her.
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: Skin was gold.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Right, very specific trip report, that's d MT, dude. So
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: three years ago, this was my trip report. And I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: can try to angle this right.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: But I know you can't read it or see it.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: But if you look at the pictures, there those little
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: insect machine ELK guys right there. That's the guys I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: was talking to. And then they liked me enough, I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: guess they sent me upstairs to this woman who was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: gold And it says in my notes, dude, that she
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: had gold skin.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: And I cannot do this right.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And then my notes here three years ago, I wrote
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: that her hair was blue and green and she had
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: gold skin. This is the exact same recording that was
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: played for me as was played for this person.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Because for those to.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Be isolated incidents, is that was too much for me,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the coincidence is off the.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Hinges with that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So I started thinking about Graham Hancock talking about how
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: they seem to play for you, play back some kind
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of like archetypal memory that is a recording for you
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in both abduction cases, and because in the abduction cases
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they have screen memories, right, And he said that there's
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: like a reason for it, and that they have like
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: this gigantic catalog acastic thing of information of civilizations that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: have come and gone, and they extract pieces of it
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and they play those things back to us whenever we
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: break through, and that it's almost more abstract than.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Would be you know.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: If you think about it like DMT, like a technology
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: from aliens. Right, that's like the leading theory. But also
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: one of the leading theories was that in your brain.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: They're saying that it's like a dream, like a dream
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that speaks out, that it makes you dream for ten
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: minutes while you're awake. What is fucking nuts about this
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: is so in uh In Gallamore's new MRI research titty.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Finally they got the funding to get it out of
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: the EEG.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Machines and into like heavy duty machinery where they're scanning
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the brain while these people.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: Are on DMT.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Dude, the part of your brain that dreams is completely silent,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: completely dormant, and in fact, it recessses through your consciousness
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: more than it would in the waking state when you're
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: on DMT. What does light up in your brain under
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: DMT is your fucking visual cortex where you're experiencing objective
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: reality and or a memory. So DMT does not light
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: up your dream centers or your imagination centers or your
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: day dreaming centers.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: They can see those. It lights up the objective.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Centers of something you're either seeing now or saw once
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: upon a time, and there's no gray area about it.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: This was This is what freaks me out about these
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: things not only being.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Common like common archetypes between everybody going to the same place,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but everybody talking about it feels like they're witnessing a
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: recording playback that was METS just for them.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: So right, I was going to point out the familiarity
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: that these d MT beings had with the person, and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: if there's something about memory being a part of this,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that familiarity could be some other thing that's happening, you know.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that made me wonder about the bardo, you know,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: this supposed place between lives, you know, while we're reincarnating,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: there's and DNT.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: You have the waiting room, right, and Instra Manutrician traditions.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: They have the same thing. And so many times in
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: my DNT trips, I've run into old friends where I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: forget about all of this and I'm just back home.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: There's it's not even a sense of oh, deja avou,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: like I've been here before.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: This is a completely Oh I woke up into actual
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: objective reality and all of that was a dream, All
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of Joey was a dream. And now this is my
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: objective reality where I'm with my old friends again and
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: all this. And if that's not like a dormant memory,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: well I wouldn't even say dormant memory, because in d
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: MT it's slighting up with a part of the brain
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that you have objective memories of. So is this possibly,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: like like the Shamans say, is it ancestors? You know?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's a part of this is the
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: objective feeling of euphoria that goes along with all of
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: these these things, Like you don't immediately start to fall
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: into this sort of state of you know, doom and gloom.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: It seems when it comes to d MT at least
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: a lot less than maybe shrooms or some other chemicals,
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: So that familiarity and the feeling of coming home, I
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: think that's far more cathartic than some other hallucinogens out there.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never do LSD again, dude, it's just too
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: long and too it's too much. But it's interesting that
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: you say that because there's more within for more studies.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: That he goes as far as to compare.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Dmts to other hollocynogens, which is a must, because his
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: hypothesis is that DMT is not a hallucin a hallucinogen.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: So the hypothesis for it before I talk about the
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: actual scientific research done, is that shrooms.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Pod I have a gain.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: These things they morphear reality and they make reality really weird. Basically,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: they all dement your reality and everything is strange. You
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: might have epiphanies, right, but you're still you and you
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and your consciousness is just really twisted.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: With DMT, it doesn't augment your reality.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: You're just in a different reality now, and you're sober
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: and you're coherent, and.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: It's not like changing the station. So like whenever we
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: have an old TV with a dial, there's static between
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: the stations, so you're clear, then you have a moment
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: of static, and then you have another clear station.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Right, And he's taking about hallocynogens let some of that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: static in to your main waking state, whereas with DMT
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: it switches the channel like a satellite, like with a
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: remote control, and you're just immediately now there's some static
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in between, of course, but that's why they call it
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: blasting off, you know. So under that hypothesis, he started
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: looking at some of the anomalies that other hollocynogens just
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: don't share. For example, the tolerance threshold. What's up romany rever,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: she's my favorite, Guys, be nice to her. She's the best.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: But they and everything has a tolerance. Coffee has a tolerance,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: LSD has it. So if you have LSD today, mushrooms
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: today tomorrow, you are not going to be as subject
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to it. So in our brain are the blood brain
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: barrier keeps hallucynogens from getting in.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: There's a five H.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: T two a receptor that absorbs the drug, any drug,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and then gets into your brain into your bloodstream, and
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: then you feel the effects of that drug.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Right, So after you have that drug, it will block it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: In addition to the liver. Right, So the liver has
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: to be shut down for you to take the ayahuasca
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: and get the DMP in your system. That's why they
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: have the MAO inhibitor. I believe that it causes the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: deliver did not work anymore. But yeah, this stuff gets
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: filtered out very efficiently by the body, very quickly.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Right, But DMT won't form a tolerance. You can do
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it back to back, hour to hour, and it will
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: never ever. It always bonds to the five ht to
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: a receptor every single time.
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Here's where it gets fucking scary.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: If people don't appreciate the DMT experience or use it
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: too much, they can get locked out by these entities.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: They'll tell them we're not spending any more time on you,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and it has no effect on them. So he got
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: these guys who are locked out, right, and he gave
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: them DMT. In the research for tolerance, the DMT still
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: bonded efficiently to the five ht A to a receptor
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: like there was no tolerance. But the dude was sitting
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: in the chair looking at him like nothing happened. So
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the molecule is quite literally deciding who gets in, and
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that is biologically impossible.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: You can't have that.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I love that some of these beings go, I'm not
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: your muggy, this is not your circus. Yeah, then you
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: can't trip anymore. It'sious. There's a lot of people that
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: have that three months.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: Because I was experienced hunting, you know.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: But and then what you said about the liver too,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: is that's another thing, mescaline. If you want to get
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: high off mescaline, you got to go to the peyote plant.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: You want to get high off psilocybin, you got to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: go to the mushrooms.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Right, every every.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Plant has its active ingredient. That's not the case with DMT.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: DMT is literally everywhere.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: It's in. Our Our liver produces it, our lungs produce it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: And that's why if you hyperventilate for like thirty minutes
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: straight and then hold on the exhale, you'll you'll get
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a little taste of that of that DMT, you know.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: In fact, I mean literally you can taste it in
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: the back of your tongue because it comes up from
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: all the hyperventilating and shit, and you'll have a little trip.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Wow, I did not know that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Well, this is definitely not for children.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Breathing is though, so that's for everybody.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: It helps.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: You ever played the pass out game when you were younger?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Huh with a couple of ladies. But you know what
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you ever kick.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: Tell your day be like I've been practicing, whim off.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I can hold my breath for like three minutes now,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: so I was up.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so wait, this episode is not made for.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Children, right, all right, the implications right.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: But dude, I recommend I recommend this dude's new book
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: because for me, I picked it up off the shelf
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: because okay, a new DMT book got a throat on
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: the shelf, right, And I had no idea that all
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of my knowledge.
• 33:58
  Speaker 5: Of d MT is from the nine.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: He's from Rick Strassman, and he's been doctor Gallamore has
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: been carrying that torch and he's doing a damn damn good.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Job about it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And towards the end of the book he drops a
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: hypothesis about what these entities are who they are, and
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's fascinating. And the example he uses is
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: the opposite of the kardash Chef scale. Have you heard
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of this Krdish chef scale or model. So the Cardish chef,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: you'll you'll know it when you hear it. A civilization
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: has three steps. Type one is planetary, Type two is stellar,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and type three is galactic.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Right like the beastie voice.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: And he says, by some kind of like common sense logic,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: this is what civilizations would do. They'd expand out, whereas
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Gallamore kind of steps in and he says it a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: different way. I'll tell you the way I see it
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: is that that's not what intelligent beings would do. They
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: we're not They wouldn't go out waving flags in the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: sky and saying we have conquered look at us. That's
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: not what really truly intelligent people do. That's what power
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: hungry cycopaths do. You know, Think about it, right, And
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: he's talking about an intelligent civilization would probably have an
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: opposite than a Kardas chef scale. They would go within
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and they would shrink down, smaller and small, because that's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: all that's also safest. Right, So the way he phrases it,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: and now this isn't his, this isn't his model, And
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you whose it is.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: It's a nineteen ninety eight.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: British cosmologist John Barrow. He says the Kardashchev model is stupid.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: He says, I propose a type three minus model where
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: type three can basically perform chemistry manipulate molecules past type
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: four minus civilizations. They'd be able to manipulate and reorganize
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the most elementary particles such as quarks and leptons, until
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: we reach, finally the culmination of the brio scale type
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: omega minus civilizations capable of manipulating and controlling the fundamental
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: structure of space time itself.
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: If you want power, you wouldn't go out to the
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: moon and to the next star.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: You would go into the causal because the subatomic realm
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: is what causes, it's what creates our reality. If there
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: was a place to explore, that's it, baby, And he
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: proposes in the book.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: Joey, you know, not just that, but if these alien
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: beings are in some way psychic and link to like
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: astral projection and other things, going inside would be the
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: most efficient way to get from planet to planet. Yeah,
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: you know, because they'd have this machinery created on this
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: level where you're talking about on the d MT planet
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: there's all this machinery, right, what does it do? Can
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: you manipulate? Can you use it? Is there some sort
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: of a link between that and you know these chariots
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: of the gods that they talk about, because all of
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: these gods in the aged stories are sort of like
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: accompanied by these ships or whatever. Well, what if you
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: can create those ships out of your mind and then
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: travel across the universe and that's sort of a you know,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: psychic container.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Right, and knowing that consciousness itself would be infinite, like
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: what she just said, death is a zero point. And
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and it's Bensoff made clear that rest and infinite motion
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: are essentially the same thing if you look at it
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in physics, it's like that loop, you know. But the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: sub atomic realm, dude, I mean, there's machines in the
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: sub atomic realm that we can witness with mainstream science.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: There are machines that build our DNA that are strikingly
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: similar to what you're talking about with the old god
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: technology and what abduction people witnessed from aliens. And you know,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it goes without saying people who do DMT and look
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: at these old temples and the Hindu temples with this
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: electromagnetic machinery that moves.
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: And is based off simatics.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Dude, some of the machinery I'm using quotes here in
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: those Hindu temples look like mitochondria and shit. So I
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: think that they too, they were on their way to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: go within. And if we're getting really out there, where
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: did some of these civilizations go when they disappeared? The Mayans,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the Aztec, they disappeared without a trace, and we call
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: it a mystery. What if they did what the Egyptians
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: claimed to do, which was shrink their conscious well not
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: strength their consciousness down.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: The Egyptians said that they would their hieroglyphics say this
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: by the way, that they would transfer their consciousness down
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: into a.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: What's the life soma basically a virus, a viral format,
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and then they would fire themselves out through the King's
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: chamber and into Draco and to the stars to be
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: with the netster where they belonged.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: What's crazy about that is they would they would leave.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: One half of their virus self on Earth to be
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: entangled with their star beingness, and then they would be
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: able to affect.
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: Earth from the stars.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: This also sounds like a technology, so that continues to
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: push me in the direction of d MT entities might
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: be a species of personhood who are more ancient than
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the concept of form in our universe, pure sentience that
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: takes on a form true archetypes when filtered through our psyche.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Well, there is the theory that plasma is a form
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: of consciousness because what we see in zero G environments
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: is when you've got dusty plasma, it starts to form
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: different shapes in zero G using this dust as sort
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: of like a vector. So all of these you know,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: massive nebulas and stuff could actually be like conscious matter. Yeah,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: so that's it's a different way of look at things.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: But I believe I forget which scientists asked, But he asked,
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: is the sun conscious?
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: Rupert Sheldrake.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Rupert Sheldrake. Right, So in that model, you know, consciousness
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: could be a lot bigger or wider, or you know,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: all encompassing, leaving us the question of are we consciousness
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: having a human experience or are we you know, plasma
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: being thought up in different clouds around us.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Right. The plasma thing is a great point though, And
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: shout out to Dana Kipple who sent me her monstrous
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: new book.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Now I gotta fucking read this thing before she comes
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: on the show's bullshit.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: But so, if you guys haven't had Dana Kipple on
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the show yet, hit her up. I'll give you your
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: number whatever.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, tell her, I'll have her
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: on you. Tell her to get in touch with me.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: She does a good job.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: She definitely brings a good feminine aspect to science, which
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: is desperately needed right now and any time for real.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: But she talks about plasma exclusively, like that's all she
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: talks about. And so, plasma is ninety nine percent of
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the universe. If there's an anomaly in the universe, it's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it's material. It's only it's less than one percent, and
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: we blame dark matter on all these all these anomalies
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever. So but plasma, like head List said, it
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: creates its own dust and look at listen to that statement.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Creates its own dusty. They say that as if.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: It's just like, oh, it's an anomaly. But yeah, so,
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: well tell me about that. Is that part of that.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I was just saying, it's alchemy, Like it's literally alchemy
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: in the cosmos, right, it's.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: Dude, that's the fall.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I think that's the fall of Sofia so in the
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: electric universe cosmology, planets don't get caught by a sun
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: and then start orbiting. They're birthed by the sun. Tell
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: me that's not plasma creating its own dust. And then
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: we compare that to the Gnostic story of Sofia. She
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: gave birth to an mperchect universe that was made of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: mineral dude, I mean that's the same damn story. So
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: what if the Gnostic story of Sofia is something that
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: is happening all around us right now constantly. And that's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: why DMT does what it does, is it bypasses your
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: uh that well.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: So, consciousness without form, consciousness without right, just like what
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: you were talking about these beings as is consciousness without form.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: That's what.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: Right right, And they have to take on a form
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: for us to even be able to handle it.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: And the Bible is full of stories like HP Lovecraft
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: where people freak out because they make the mistake of asking,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: let me see your true form and then they're like, dude,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you don't want this, and and I've done that on
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: d MT before and it was really bad. It was
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: a bad situation, dude. But the same thing with it's
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: less or so in the alien abduction case. But in
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: those cases, I don't think people stop to actually ask
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: that question.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Is is this your true form? But if you ask
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: the shamanic.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: People like the pyro about it, they'll talk about a
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: species of little people that aren't actually little people. They
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: don't reveal their true form. So anthropologists we're asking them,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: They're like, okay, do they take on the form? Do
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: they choose a form according to our memory so.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: That we can recognize them? And then the shamans are like, no,
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: you create their form.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: They have nothing to do with that, which is fascinating
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: because and the doors of perception. By all this, Huxley,
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: he describes his Payote trip and his whole and he
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: was a brilliant dude way before science.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: Could back them up.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: But he's referenced in Godlimore's new book because of how
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: accurate his observations were. Before MRI, he hypothesized that the
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: brain itself is a reducing valve, so it takes in
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: information and then it reduces it down to what we
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: need for survival.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: And then he hypothesized, well, if that's the case.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: Then these dm DS entities.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: He didn't do DMT, but he's talking about because he
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: did a lot of escaline.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: These entities are probably completely formless ions from the beginning
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: of the universe, and and we we need a buffer.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: We can't. We'll freak out like lovecrafty and fucking protagonists
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: will gouge our eyes out to make it stop.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: And uh, how can we perceive formlessness?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Right? Right?
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: So he he talks about.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: As Yeah, he said they're as real as marsupials, which
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: is weird.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: But uh, maybe they were.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Uh well, okay, so here's.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: These biblical accounts, dude.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Uh. In Daniel ten nine through five, Daniel has the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: balls to lift his eyes to an angel, only to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: find that its body was like burill, which is uh,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: like liquid fire, and his face like the breaking of lightning,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: and no strength remained in me. He wanted to see
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: its true farm dude and Judges thirteen Manoah and his crew.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: They fall to their faces, assuming surely we.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Will die now that we have seen the face of God,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: to which the being was like, no, no, no, no,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I just work here. In Isaiah six one through five,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: John and and John in Revelation twenty two, they both
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: say they collapse in fear and worship at the sight
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: of what must be God, but are quickly corrected by
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: the angel who says, you must not do that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: I am a fellow servant.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So just like alien abductions all the way to Whitley Striber,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to every DMT machine elf. Ever, they're quick to tell you, no, no, no,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I just work here, dude. I'm in the food chain
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: like just like you. And that's enormously telling psychologically, because
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: people they think they're seeing God their brain if it
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: was some kind of placebo which I hesitate to use
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that word, or some kind of suggestion or hypnote whatever,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: they if they think they're seeing God because they're overwhelm
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: they their memory centers would back that up. But these
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: beings objective to them say no, no, no, no, no,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I I just work here that I'm just uh, there's
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: no way that you can any of us could perceive God.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: And there's levels to this. It's it's very strange.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean you're talking about the divide between
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: polytheism and monotheism. Mmmm, Like there's there's this there's this
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: idea within the monotheist concept, like they asked, are you
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: the one God? Well, you know, I'm not that so right,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: But then you've got the polytheistic societies that sort of
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: accept that all of these things are divine in their
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: own ways.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Right, right, I've come and.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Now I've got some pushback on this.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: But in my studies, from what I've seen, cultures that
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: are polytheistics still have a main, one and.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Only God, there's head of theism.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: But that's that's you know, again, you get closer and
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: closer to the origin point of the polytheis that it
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: comes to animism. You know, sort of the universe is
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: alive and that's what sort of gives rise to these
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: other divine forces, right.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And it's like supposedly that aliveness of the universe is
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: what God is and the rest of these so called
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: gods are just their forces of nature personified by these
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: different cultures. You know. But whenever I got a Christian
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: mow and me down talking about, hey, you're talking about
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: false idols all this, you need to stop it, I
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: quickly bring up that all these cultures, the Egyptians, for example,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: having this pantheon of gods and then a one main
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: God is no different than Christianity having a God and then.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Archangels and then Seraphim, and then we are talking about
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: the same thing, and I just can't.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: There's no such thing as false idols, and there's I mean,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: unless you consider idolatry in itself to be that sin,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: in which case that's not the argument here. But whenever
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: a Christian says you're following a false false idol, they
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: don't they don't realize that it's.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: The same same as mixing the word Jehovah with Yahweh.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: They're all they're doing is getting mixed up in the
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: semantics of it, you know. So people are quick to
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: think that they see God unless it's a swarm of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: eyeballs and alien elves that are building reality or whatever.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: But but I think it's all the same, you know.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: And also I'll actually I'll stretch that out a little bit.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: And here's here's a weird one I got.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I got.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: So what if Abraham asked to see behind it and
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: then he realized it was formless? And so that's why
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: you're not allowed to have any idols before you is
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: because it's not the thing in front of you, it's
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: the thing behind that thing. And you don't know what
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: you're talking about.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so we said, don't you know, burn down
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: that golden calf or whatever. He was like, yeah, we can't,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: we can't personify these things that easily. Yeah, because they're formalist,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: like you were just talking about. Right.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: It almost makes me wonder if Abraham.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: When he wants to go chop his son's balls off,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: if a different entity was like, well, well don't listen
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: to that guy, don't do that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened. That's exactly what he was going
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: to sacrifice his son, and then the goat appeared out
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: of the thing, and he heard a voice from the
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Lord that said, don't do that.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: It's always the Laurel. And but that's the point is
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: it's not always it's not always the Lord.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: You know, in the Noster tradition, they say that Moses
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: was talking to someone else when he got those when
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: those he got those tablets written. But it kind of
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: begs the question between good and evil, this gray area
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: of what if that's us?
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: What if we create good and evil because we have preferences.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: So like when I was a kid, there's a cat
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: had a fishing lure stuck in its mouth and I
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: had to help him because he was like stuck in
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the It was a discarded string, and I like pinned
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: him down with my knees started pulling it out as
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: he's scratching, and he thought I was attacking him. Dude,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: in that moment, that cat thought I was evil because
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I was trying to help him. You know, there's a
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: lot of alien abduction cases and DMT reports that beg
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: that same question, and what seems like cosmic indifference or
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: even evil sometimes is just misunderstood.
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: So I wonder if these beings.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: That build our reality and maintain it are not angels
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: or demons, But whenever we interpret their activity and their
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: behavior towards us, we either.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Like it or we don't like it, and we give
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: them a name that goes into what you were describing.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: It's the shamanic dismemberment, right, because people can reject the
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: shamanic dismemberment and then have all these side effects and
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: symptoms where they accept it, they move through the process
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: and come back together in the end and have some
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: sort of a boon or something that's attached to that
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: because of it. Yeah, so there's two different ways of
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: experiencing the same thing because of the nature of how
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: it's being presented. Again, it's being presented by formless beings, right,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: so your perception. That makes a lot of the difference
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: there all.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I think all of the difference, dude, because I mean,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: we live in duality, and we live in a world
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: of good and bad and comfortable not comfortable speaking of that?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Would we be able to pull up an image of
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the wounded man petro glyph or case painting?
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: I think it's called.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: Where I got that at maybe of it?
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: By the way, if anybody is interested this one, this
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: one I haven't mentioned.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: Inner Past to outer space is all about shamanism, but
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: it dives deep into narcissism and all.
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: The everything is kind of being under the same umbrella,
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: which is what I like to see.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: But the Wounded Man is an example of a cave
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: painting of the total brutality, dude of shamanism, and it
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: makes me think, dude like and nothing against anyone, all
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: right in the spiritual community, but everyone's real quick to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: want to be called a healer and a star seed,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: and a lot of them I don't think understand the
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: sacrifice that to shamanism did not come at birth. I mean,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: some of them are born different, but in order to
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: get to that point, to be a shaman or a
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: healer or a seer. They went through the most horrible
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: sacrifices of testing that, and if they survived that, then
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: they were free.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: Because after they.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Went through all that, it could be basically assumed that
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: they no longer fear death and they no longer have attachments,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well, what's up? Nick?
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I just keep saying. I mean, that's that's what I
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: think magic is.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: And I have to have like tell me more about
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: the ties there with magic though, because I don't dive
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: into any of that.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: I would like to know more about it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: No, just from my experiences with fucking with magic and
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: crossing the abyss, that's in my thought. Yeah, I mean
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: I do think that there is like an actual almost
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: death aspect, right what was happening? Because I do think
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: you are separating your soul from your body, or at
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: least that's what I seem to be thinking is happening.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: You know, there's always visions that I have. That's a
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: repetitive thing too. It's like a series of things that
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: happen in a series of feelings.
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: Every time it happens, really, how often.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I've only done it like four times?
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Ship is this an elaborate ritual or is this something
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: that happens to you spontaneously.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: I'll do a meditation to do it. I mean I
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: could probably like not even so much even do a
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: meditation anymore. I just like close my eyes and focus
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: and if I see the pin dot, I can already
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: just grab onto it. But it's just if I want
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: to fucking practice to let it be, you know, go
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: to the eclipse and do everything else.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a very put it down.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't done it in a few years
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: because it's uh to me. It's it's a huge decision
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: if you realize what you're doing. And I will be
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: completely honest, uh, due to the fact that I love
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: what I'm doing right now, I don't know if I
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: want to take a risk at dying and not coming
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: back because I like to keep doing this, you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: I mean just see you and other stuff. I like
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: my iPhone too much, I like vagina too much. You know,
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: who the fuck we want to give all that up
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: because that's when you need. That's that's uh, that's the
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: stuff that you're gonna have to be okay with because I,
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: in my opinion, again, if you're going to practice with
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: practice magic, there was a chance you may not come back.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: So you have to be willing to give all that
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: up to even get right right.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: That's why perfectly that embraces the shamanic tradition you have.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: You had to have no attachments because if you so,
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that's that goes into the body mutilation because after your
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: body has been completely dismembered, and then you realize without
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: those organs that you are still sentient and aware, well,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you no longer have those attachments. Now you've got no
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: skin in the game. You can heal people, you can see,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: you can there's there's certain things that make you safe.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: You know you're not you don't have those biases anymore.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: And uh. But so I've had the Book of Jah
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: for like a hot minute now, that ancient gnostic manuscript,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: but recently I also just got all three Books of Solomon,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: which I mean this was just to have it, because
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: the dude, the diagrams in the Book of Jah and
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: the sigils in the Book of Solomon.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: Are the same. Damn uh, they're electrical diagrams, dude.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And perhaps magic is a word that we use for
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: a misunderstood technology that involves bending the natural electricity of
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: our ether using these electrical diagrams, you know, the plasma.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: It's well, so just a more subtle electricity. Have you
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: have you seen the Book of at all? No?
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: No, have you seen Solomon though?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: So whenever Jesus's disciples we're talking about, hey, when we die,
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: we want to hook it up with you at the
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: after party, and uh so we don't want to get
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: stuck on earth or whatever Jesus.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Uh Now, this is highly controversial shit because Christians will
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: throw a damn fit about this, But this is I got.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: This is the original Coptic and the translations are below it.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: But it's filled with diagrams just like this. And these
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: diagrams basically, they're pictures of God's twelve emanations and then
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: the emanations of those twelve which become the Arkans, and
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: he talks about.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Them as maps like this.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: So when I saw that, I even have like electrician
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: buddies who were like, dude, that's that's electric that's electrical diagrams.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Because even like some of the other diagrams in here,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: they're all a little bit different and they change gradually
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: throughout right. So that's first of all, how weird is
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: it that we got Jesus talking about the Bardo and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: how to get past the Arkans after death?
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: And then because that's like.
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: To bed books of the dead ship.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Now look at this, which I know you're familiar with,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: but for any viewers, I mean, so that is a
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: lot more to our recent times.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: You know this, this is from the Lesser Key.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Of Solomon, And this looks a lot like those diagrams,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and these are by definition sigils. But at what point
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: do we stop worrying about all these words and definitions
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: and say that this is all the same, this is
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: all the same stuff.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: And well, Joey, I can't help but notice the similarity
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: between all of these DMT trips and how much machinery
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: is happening on the other side there, right, So if
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: if these sigils and stuff are ways of accessing those
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: machines on the other side, that would make a lot
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: of sense, like a language talking about for the machine, right, yeah, See,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: it's programs or chips stuff like that, Like you're making
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: the chip in reality for this thing on the spirit
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: side to use it.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I had a a d MT trip where they were
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: building they were building these like skyscrapers that looked like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: hives or whatever, and whenever I asked them like, Hey,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: what's going on here? Uh, they were like, we're building
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: your reality based on what you think about and what
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: you say and do. And I was like, is it
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: that direct?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: And they're like, it doesn't seem like it's to you,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: but over here it is.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: But we're working our asses off. And I looked and
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: they were using these machines to absorb what some kind
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: of pre existent thought or whatever process, and then they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: would radiate that energy out of these little machines and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: into the hive, and the hives would like jiggle.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 5: And I was like, is this a objective?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: What's going happening right now? And they were like, no,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: this is just a way for you to understand it.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And then I was like, what was the main thing
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: that scared me about it? Was not scared me about it,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: but I asked. I was like, a way for me
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: to understand it. I was like, help me out deeper.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: And one of these little elf guys he was like,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: like a carpet. You see the top of the carpet,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the collars and the patterns, that's your reality.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: But if you flip the carpet over to the.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Ugly side with all the stitching and stuff, it's kind
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: of messy under there. That part's absolutely necessary for there
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: to be a top of the carpet. He's like, we
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: build the underside of the carpet, and we share the
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: same reality, so we are quite literally on the other side.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: And that's where finally it came to that one main
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: spot that I'm making this next episode about where they're like,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: we're not you call us angels. If you like what
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: we build, you call us demons. If you don't like
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: what we build, why would you ever have thoughts of despair?
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: And dude, it blew me away.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: Dude, it's pretty powerful that that is wild because we're
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: gonna keep ourselves in check.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So we always need a bad guy.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Huh before you on that beehive? Yeah, no, go ahead, dick, Oh.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: No, I'm good.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: I like all we need is we always need a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: bad guy somewhere somewhere, right, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: The necessary.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Let me share my screen here. So this is a
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: omful of stone, right, And so what you're saying about
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: the beehive really kind of got to me. If you
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: look at the shape of it, it's it's kind of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: looking like a beehive with all the bees sort of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: crawling on top of it. So this represents the stone
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: that Kronos's wife handed him instead of Zeus, and so
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: he ate this stone instead of Zeus because it was
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: wrapped in the thing, while Zeus was able to get
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: away and get older at Mount Ida. So this was
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: the last of the Olympian gods that he thought he
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: had consumed from his wife because he didn't want any
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: of them to replace him. And then where he barfed
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: it up was in Delphi, right, So that's sort of
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: representation of Zeus. And what they also say is that
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: this sort of beehive cult serviced the oracle at Delphi
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: and they were called the Melise like honey, and so
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: I get the impression that there's some sort of a
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: linguistic or hive mind intelligence happening because of that whole millieu,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: and they were into the Kaikion. So the Kaikion is
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: actually a hallucinogetic wine that they would take. This was Greece, Yeah,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Oracle of Delphi, no shit, So that not only.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: Does that look like a beehive, dude. But uh, have
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: you seen the beehive.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Cave painting from like a bajillion years ago? Uh? I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: wish I I wish I had like predictive measures to
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: have these pictures on me or whatever. But there's a
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: cave painting that is it's a bee man. It's like
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: a man, but he's like a bee. He's got mushrooms
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: growing out of him. It's it's one of these things
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: where it breaks our hearts that we can't get in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: the minds of these truly, truly ancient people, like the
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: real deal Shamans. I mean, we have pretty good representations
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: of them around today, like the Dogon and you know,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: but uh, dude, and it's got big black eyes like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of these ancient be people, insects people, the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: ants people, the wan genda in Australia, the dogon. They
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: always describe these beings as having large black insect.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: Like eyes, and so I get kind of like mad
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 7: about I see certain people talk about the grays and
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 7: de Bunkers will be like, the grays exist in our
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 7: culture today because of Betty and Barney Hill.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 5: They watched the TV show that had a gray alien
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: on it that's it. That's the guy right there. Look
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 5: at that ship.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Now this is a negative, so look at that. Look
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: at that right now, this is a negative. Right, So
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: are they drew it in reverse or whatever? But the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: eyes are black, dude, And I mean dude, that looks
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: just like the ANT people. So it looks it looks
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: a lot like the one Genda of Australia too. Now
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: these guys were tripping their ball off, dude, there's no
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: doubt about it.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: I think the ANT people are actually the b people, right,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: I think it all that all works, dude, But there's
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: there's a in d MT trips.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: There's a hive mind and all abduction alien abduction victims
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: talk about the grays. None of them are individuals. They're
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: all in unison moving. They're like ants, They're like a
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: hive mind.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: You know what, though, I do think that it's quite
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: possible Alisa Crowley might have had an influence on the
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: grave images.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: See.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: That's that's that's what I keep trying to I'm not
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: trying to like pin that, you know whatever, for like
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: shock value.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: We're like we need to back I'm just.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Saying he summoned. He summoned Lamb and it was okay.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: It was Jason Pargan doing a TikTok and he was like,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: what's crazy about the Grays is that it came from nothing.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: It came from Betty and Barnie Hill and never.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: Existed before that.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, ah, yeah, so Alistair Carley, not only Belly,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Betty and Barnie Hill weren't even the first abductees. And
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: in the modern time, Antonio bos was abducted far before them.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: But yeah, before them, you have the Lamb archetype that
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: was a great and then before all of this you
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: have fairies with flaky gray skin and large black eyes.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: That's in the sixteen hundreds, dude. And then before that,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: of course, we have these ant people, Juan Jinda, these
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: b people. You know, this archetype goes back as long
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: as we can remember. And we got these armchair experts
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: out here who literally do the reporting off of pop
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: culture like the top, they skim off the very top
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: of our living samolicra and they do all the research
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: from what pop culture offers without ever getting their hands
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: dirty in the uncomfortable aspects of the occult.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: And it drives me nuts because these are.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Smart people who are just working with a very limited
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: amount of information.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: I even think, like whit Lee, stream was pushing that.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: Image right right do you What do you think of him?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Dude?
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: I see again him. I mean I read a little
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: bit of it, but I'm sure the movie was not correct.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: Oh no, he's I mean, Christopher Walking was brilliant.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: In that show.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: But to me, I was like, see again.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: This feels like somebody has a magical experience and they're
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: selling it as aliens.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: It's just to me, I think something happened to Whitley
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: and uh.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, he had an experience. I just think he's spaying
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: in a sellable way.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he made it.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: I got a hot take on Whitley. I think he's
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: a mind control victim.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, how so.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: I think he was taking in and programmed and all
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: those stories and stuff they were put there.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: That's interesting, like some NK ultra shit.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Huh Yeah.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: That almost makes me wonder if a lot.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Of alien abduction scenarios are some kind of black I mean,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: we know that the CIA has people in the UFO
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: community just to make things confusing.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, how far are they willing to go?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Because what if they're talking who the people who brainwashed Whitley.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: They wanted a certain perception of aliens out there in
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: the public. This is where we get the idea of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: anal probing and all the rest of this stuff. That's
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: Whitley stuff, right, So they wanted that perception out there
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: in the public, and I think that's that's sort of
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: the perception then became these little gray aliens that sucked
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: you up. Like we were just talking about how similar
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: this is to a DMT experience, but you know, it
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: takes everybody by surprise because that's our perception, the Whitney
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: streamer experience.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Now that's the first experience where they got anal probing
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 4: is Whitley streamers. See Now again, Like I'm not trying
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: to be silly with this, but I always go back
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: to I think the eyeball and stuff like that all
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: has to do with the magical experience. And the asshole
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: has the same muscle the pupil has to fucking close.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: So I did not know that you have the sphinx,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: the muscle inside your eyeball, that's what spins your fucking eye.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Your pupil closed. It's the same thing that's in your ass,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: So like could it could could could you know?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Could you be?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: Could you be just you know, fucking twisting and be like, yeah,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: let's stick something in the ass to give me a
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: reference reference to.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know Crowley used to say magic's in the butt.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: I think I think he said something along those lines,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 4: and uh and maybe he's talking about the pupil, which
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: makes it even sound sicker if you say it like that.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, it's called the brown eye, the all the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: all thing brown eye. After all, right, I have a
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: theory about eyeballs. So obviously the abductions that's we covered that,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: you know in D M T. I mean, look at
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: uh Gray, you know he even jokes around himself. You know,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: he's like, because I put eyeballs on everything, is what
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: he says, because he paints.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: And he put he puts eyeballs and uh.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: And in these reports of these biblical accounts, Ezekiel.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you name it, it's eyeballs.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: They're all eyes within wheels and stuff like that. It's
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: always eyes sometimes this floating swarm of feathered eyes, dude.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: And that's also it's also in case paintings. It's also
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: in all this shit.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: So if you were a formless being, like headless is
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: talking about, like we're both talking about here, Like, if
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: you're truly formless and in your need to take on
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: some kind of form to be understood by this communion,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: you're you're not.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: Gonna choose an ear or a leg or whatever anything
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: in the.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: World, a toaster, Like there's no body part that represents sentients.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: Like an eyeball does.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: You'll notice that it's the opposite with mouths d MT abductions,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: even in inductions, when there's a physical being there, Supposedly
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: the mouth is said to be almost non existent. But
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: this is a communication taking place, yet they're still not
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: utilizing the mouth archetype. I think that's because if you
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: show a person in ear, it's just abstract, it doesn't
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: make any sense. But if they see an eye, they
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: immediately they know they're being watched, they know that this
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: person is alive.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: Then they're sentience here.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: And I think it's just the most simple archetype of
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: a form to take on to be able to communicate
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: whatever it is you're trying to say, because once they
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: get that out of the way, then they're ready to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: give you the message. Whatever it is the Ten Commandments
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: or the DNT download or the tell the children that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: the adults are corrupting the earth because they misunderstood technology.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Like they always hit you with the message right after
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: that big eye zapsia or whatever gets.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: In your head right Well at the same time too,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: the eyes our eyes or would give them form. Yeah,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: so we're the ones projecting their form on them. So
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: it's it's a two way street on that.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Goes both ways. And that's like what Plato said. He
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: said that light doesn't just go in the eye. The
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: eye emits a clear light up.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: To around six feet.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: About six feet.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've even had like that. I can't remember this guy.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: I wanted to get them on my show. But it
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: like even goes into the whole thing. It's like you
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: have what's out here and then you have even the
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: experience of what your eyeballs are projecting out, and it's
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: like what's actually real? You know what I'm saying, Like
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: what the fuck? You get really deep and you start
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: thinking about all that shit, right, but it is a
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: two way straight and yuah, is there a relationship? Like
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: That's what I was trying to get at, you know,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: and like what's actually real and what's not right.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: There's no there's no bigger message from all three or
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: four of these subjects. If we say in Abdustion DMC
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: experienced Biblical accounts and shamanism, it always always boils down
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: to there's no such thing as things. There are only relationships.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: Everything you witness is just a relationship. Bees don't exist,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: flowers don't exist. That's one organism, you know. And then
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: we we separate it into categories ourselves, you.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Know, harmenodes. He wrote that in his Treatise on Nature.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: It was a poem that started ontology, the study of
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: big okay, yeah, yeah, five hundred BC. And so everybody
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: tried to disprove them and say, no, this guy's crazy.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: Clearly things exist, right, but now no, this is where
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: you get Zeno's paradox from Zeno was his student. Okay,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: So Xeno's paradox says, if you if you fire air
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: and it goes halfway to the target, and then goes
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: another halfway to the target, and then goes another halfway
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: to the target, it never actually reaches the target.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: Everything can be broken down into fractals just forever, and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: it's right, and there's always.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: Going to be a space there right there is like
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: all the stuff we're seeing is it's kind of an illusion.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: So when you take it from that perspective, it's all
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 3: one thing. There's no separation between anything.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I wonder if what Romany is saying here is about
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: language is not the best communicator, which is ironic considering
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: all three of our gigs here, But I wonder if
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: our reality was completely different before language. You know, even
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Plato was mad at books. He was like, no one's
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: gonna remember anything anymore, you know.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if that's where polytheism okay, because everything
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: had to be memorized, and you had these vast networks
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: of associations that were all tying back everything to the gods.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: So that was their mnemonic device. Everything they knew about
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: nature and everything all related directly back to these gods,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: and having all of these relationships in their head made
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: it so much easier to remember everything else. Yeah, we
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: have these competitions today where people have these you know,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: vast memory competitions where they're just fed all this data
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: and random words and they can recall it like a photograph,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: you know, sixty years later. Wow, using the mnemonics yeah,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: in an old ass.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: The Iliad, right, the Iliad is really weird phonetically because
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: they I mean, first of all, they taught it to
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: everyone like it was a religion in Greece supposedly.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: But it was a religion right right.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: It's like the first story right of our It's not ancient,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I know that, but it's like the first written thing.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: And it's weird because no one in the Iliad is
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: making decisions that is so alien to our storytelling today.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: So if you read the Iliad, no one's choosing to
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: do stuff. The gods are using humans as puppets and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: they do as they're told based in the instinct, and
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: they're always constantly communicating with the gods who are, by
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: the way, right there in front of them. So it
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: makes you wonder if language or something along the lines,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: is it detached us from that.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: Unification with communion, because.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, hell, before that, we used to talk to
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: statues which were said to be alive, and Sumerians always
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: had statues in the house and they wouldn't do shit
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: without asking the statue first, because there's gods in the statues.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And then one day globally and this is recorded all
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: over the world by disconnected societies who've never talked to
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: each other. That all of the gods left the statues
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: all at once and abandon humanity. This was I saw.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: I got a video called esotere Reception that breaks down
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: the entire history of however all these poems came to be,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: like why God have you forsaken me? That comes from
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: these Mesopotamia tales Egyptians. All the gods left the statues
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: all at once, and they were gone all of a sudden.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: But look what happened after that, We started building these
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: incredible temples and shit. I don't think the gods abandoned us.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: I think they moved in.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: I think they moved into us. They found a new home,
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: but they needed something to happen and in order for
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: them to be able to move in, I don't know
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: what that was. Maybe an augmentation of DNA or something
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: like that, But that's a whole different rabbit hole. But
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: one in the distant past, Well, we were close with
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: beings and now we're not. Joey.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: If you look at the procession of the equinox, every
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: two thousand, six hundred years or so, the procession of
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: the equinox takes us into a new era. So you know,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: in the very old Testament, you've got the age of
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: the Ram, and then you've got the Age of the Bull,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: and like we're in the Age of Pisces. Now every
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: you know, few thousand years, there seems to be a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 3: shift in how the planet processes these conscious energies, right,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: and so that's sort of we see that as an
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: expression through these different religions and these ideas that become popular,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: these empires that rise and fall. It sort of all
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: comes back to the astral idea that maybe all of
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: these things are connected in a very you know, harmonic
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: way that we just don't really realize yet.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because I always tend to
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: forget about the uh, the astrological aspect of these things,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: because I'm.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: Kind of late to the game.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's the universe has electromagnetic properties to it
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: that are bombarding us constantly. To say that that's not
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: affecting us down to the genome would be a huge
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: overt would be a mistake on I think, on anybody's part.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I wonder if something some plasmatic event once
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: upon a time, like even a supernova from like what
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: is it? Signus x two is a binary star system
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: that's just blasting us with radiation all the time. At
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: one point, according to like Ashananda, that Buddhist lady, at
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: one point like we're like our our son is like
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: quit it. What's the camera doing? Quit it? Uh? The
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: sun is like on a sign wave, right, and we
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: have like this galactic center staring down the barrel of
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: like signess x two, and every like twelve thousand years
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: it's in line with it. So the last time we
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: were in line with it was forty thousand years ago,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: which is roughly when they date those those first case paintings.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Like one day we were just like, oh, we can
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: project outward and make things.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, this dude. Years ago was a.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: No good.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: Oh forty thousand years ago was a really monumental time
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: in a lot of places, Like you just saw this
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: explosion of creativity and you saw you know, the start
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: of the megaliths and people actually making tools and all
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: the rest of this stuff. And it was you know,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: I mean huge migrations too, right, I Mean these are
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: people who didn't have anything and they're migrating halfway across
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: the continent. That's amazing.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something something got turned on, dude, something got something clicked,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: And who's guiding them? Have you ever heard of the
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: dream Giants? No, dude, dude? Okay. So there's this tribe
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: in I believe, Indonesia, okay, and what they have is
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: a tribal deity they call the dream Giants. And there
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: was this anthropologists that went down there to study them,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: and the dream giants would tell them where to plant.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: The dream giants would tell them, you know, what types
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: of you know, sacrifices and offerings to make to the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: land before chopping things down. And then the anthropologists started
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: having messages from the dream giants. And since lying was
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: such a taboo thing in their society, everybody believes you
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 3: when you're talking about the orders from the dream giants.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: And so the anthropologists started giving them messages from the
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: dream giants that were appearing to him and his his
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: his dreams.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Was he fucking with them? Or was he legit?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Like he was legit?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: And he wrote so it was tampera. It was getting
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: into him too, right, Yeah.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Because of his proximity to this tribe, something was there,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: something was communicating with them.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's a system of belief or do
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: you think it's literally a proximity thing. I mean it
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: could be.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, like these beings might have a general proximity
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: where they like to hang out at. I mean, you
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: see that all you've got the syncretism between all these
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: gods and goddesses are completely different continents.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Right, James?
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: So much time with apes that she could speak their language.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's okay.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 5: So where can I learn more about dream giants?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: Where is that from?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: If you look up dream giants, it should pop up
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: dream giants Southeast Asia. I believe in Southeast Asia. It
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: could have been the pigbies. Do the pigmies have a
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: bunch of weird practices too, do? There's so much magic
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: happening in anthropology. If you look up ethnographies with magic
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: in it, they've got this huge list where all these
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: anthropologists went to these really age tribe seeing some awesome stuff.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: The magicians don't even know about it.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: They needed They need to cross breed, dude. Everybody needs
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: to stop being so compartmentalized. Dude. We need the bigfoot
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: people to get together with the magic people, to get
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: together with the abductees and the trials from d MT
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: trials and yeah, that's what your guys are trying to do.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: That's it. That that is the that's the fortale of
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: the occult rejects, right there, baby fucking Denine none. And
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: that's the way of Jesus too, as.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: Long as we're you know, if these giants sold people dreams,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: I'd say Tony Robbins is a descendant, but.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: For fingers.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: Because they've never noticed that.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know, he's.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Huge, so like they were specifically giants, huh like, but
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: in the dream world, I wonder if there's a connection there, man, Like,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: that's the giants thing is always throwing me for a loop, dude,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm always struggling with it because I mean, well,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: first of all, I know something happened. I mean, it's
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: too prevalent. But all the argument I side with that
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: they're literal.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: But Joey, it's always Joey.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: Think about this.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: I think about this ice age, megafauna, bipeds.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Same right, right, there's if there was giants, laws, why
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: wouldn't there be giant people more oxygen? Right?
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, what happened to them?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Why they're being covered up? I have no idea, but
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: that seems logical to me, just like a different branch
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: of humans that got super freaking huge, because all of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: the animals are super huge, right, like you ought to
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: take these things down.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all the big ones died off too.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Not enough to do.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: All of the megafauna died off except for the moose
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: and you know, maybe bison. I guess they would count too.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Man, So why you don't have Yeah, why cover it up?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Like what? I guess that leads directly to spirituality, and
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: then spirituality leads directly to inner power and they don't
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: want Maybe that's just the ABC that they're trying to avoid.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: But man, they like whenever people try to cover up Bigfoot, Like,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: I get it, they're just trying to be stay credible.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: But in the case of giants, I live right next
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: to Kahokia, and uh they you know, they found seven No,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: they found ten seven foot skeletons, which someone might be like, no,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: it's not giants, but I mean it kind of is,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: you know, especially considering Uh, I think the people of Kahokia, Mississippi,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Mississippi tribes, they were short people, so a seven foot
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: person is quite the anomaly, you know, and the.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Entire Caribbean is lousy with giants. We had a lebyon
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: that talks about what was that island Nick Heather. Yeah,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Heather is talking about all of these giant skulls that
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: they had in Aruba. They have all the records for
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: all this stuff. And it was curous out too, and
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: so they had all of these different giant skeletons down
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: there in the Ruba. But if you think about Mediterranean,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: always in the mythology, the giants are on islands. Okay,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: there's a strange lake between islands and giants and water.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: Even on the mounds, the mound sites are right next
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: to water. It's usually right at the bend of a river.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and sometimes they're over aquifers and ship yeah right.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: And and and also the megalithic structures that's another indication
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: of giants too. And now I'll be I'll shed enough
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: skepticism to say that that's almost in the bag for
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: me when it comes to giants. Now that you can
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: show me, like the very intricate workings of the Indian temples,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: the Hindu temples and stuff, and those things do it's
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: like as possible, right that they must have used some
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: kind of technology to do that. But they and they're
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: huge too, But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: talking about moving a block of stone. Just that's like
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: nine thousand tons, right, That's that's not within the human
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: range of technology at that point.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, and then what the giants have in common
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: besides their strength is that they brought technology to the humans.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Well not the giants, but their fathers, the Fallen Angels,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: are the ones who taught humans technology, so you get
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: both in one bag.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: When it comes to Nephelin, it's almost like.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: If we take some of the allegory literature literally, it
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: answers so many questions and it starts to get weird.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that stands out to me
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: is all of these giants are almost incapable of guile.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: They have no ability to lie, which.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Is very strange defined aspect.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: Anybody can lie to them, but they can't actually lie back,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: so they have to believe what you're telling them. This
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: is one of the things about how Odysseus killed the
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: giant is he said his name was Nemo, right, and
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: so this giant is yelling out Nemo stabbed me. In
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: the eye, which means nobody in Greek. And so all
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: of his brothers hear him yelling, nobody stabbed me. Nobody
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: stabbed me. They don't come to help him out because wow,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: they're not thinking, right.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wonder if the aspect of not being able
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: to lie is a reflection of coming directly from a
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: original source, like the original sighing wave that doesn't have
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: a deviation like you know, like lights or a laser
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: beam for example, is a direct source of thing. You
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: can't hang a coat on it, you can't attach anything
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: to it. It's got no deviation.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 5: And I wonder if that if you put that archetype
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: into physical reality, that being.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Like a gollum or whatever wouldn't be able to lie
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: because it's it's consciousness is still a true reflection of
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: that unity consciousness, you know, whereas we're it kind of stuck,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: we're developed in the flesh now in a world of
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: duality with all these preferences and shit like that, I would.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: Say that a giant with you know, massive amounts of
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: powers and inability to lie, that sounds like a cervic
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: class to me. You know, that sounds like something that
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 3: is perfect to order around and make do stuff, you know,
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: and then it gets out of control when he starts
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: to eat people. Right, But there's sort of like this
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: play going on between. It seems like it could be
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: some sort of eugenics project.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. And there have been a lot of
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: species of humans that come and gone over the course,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and it's almost like they kept doing it till.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: They got it right. You know.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: They were Ah, they were all very animalistic, all of
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: these other human beings. They were all when you look
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: at the skull and the length of the arms, Yep,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: they were really animalistic.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: It's almost as if somebody was like.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Trying to get it right through a process of trial
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: and error, which is about the scariest thing I can
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: think of. But eventually they got one. And we we
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: have like thin skin and like fragile bones compared to
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: the ones that we beat out.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 5: How does that work?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I think there's some kind of a Homini carconization.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: You ever heard of carsonization. They have all these species
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: of arthropods in the ocean that all sort of evolve
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: into becoming like crabs. So like the form of crab
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: is like called carconization. So all these different species always
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: take on this form. So what if there's a hominy
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: carsonization kind of like in Star Trek, you know, it
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: doesn't matter what planet they go to. The aliens there
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: look like humans with little makeup on.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like everything on Earth eventually becomes the crab because
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: that's what survives best here. But like in the Gnostics tradition,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: in the esoteric tradition at large, actually they talk about
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: the atom Cadmus. So before there was Atomus or atom
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: as a man on Earth, as a first human or whatever,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: there was a prototype of him in the causal realm,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: in the subtle.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: Realms, and that was called the atom cadmus.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: And if you look at that through an astro theologic standpoint,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: like you know, popularized by like Rudolph Steiner or Manly P. Hall,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: they talk about adam Cadmus is literally our solar system,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: like our Sun system, and.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: The outer planets as archons.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: And there's a way to understand it that is, like
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: we can't see four D and five D spatial dimensions
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: without DMT. But just like an ants or a piece
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: of bacteria could be on something round and it still
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: lives in a flat two D reality, it can't imagine
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: three dimensions. If we can't imagine or see the Adam Cadmus,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: we would see the three D rendition of it, which
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: is spheares. You know.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: So I believe that despite the Earth having a if
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 5: I forgot the word.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Is it was it that makes crabs carsonization carsonization right,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: the Earth has its own.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: Every planet would have its own, but.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: As a whole, as a total fractal, the Solar System
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: has its own, and that's the human form, like the
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: Da Vinci man.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: And then that would indicate that the.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Galaxy also has its own carsonization as well, which I
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: think would be outside of our understanding, you know, removed
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: by twice, removed.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Nebulous, right, and then it keeps going right.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: You get the crab at the keystone too, on top
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: of the pillars.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Well, uh, the day I found out that the buck
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't stop the galaxies and that there's like I forgot
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: whether the Laniakia arm or whatever, so like, even our
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: galaxy is like a spec of dust within this much
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: bigger tentacle that's coming off of a fucking much bigger thing.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: I'm like, dude, we keep.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: Zooming out and I've got anxiety.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: Quit it, Like you know who.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Gave us the idea of all the galaxies out there
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: beside and everything?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: M Bruno?
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm covering him now that.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: If I ever.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: Got a chance to hang out with Neil de grass Tyson,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: my first question would I would be like, dude, answer honestly.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: If you were a scientist living at the same time
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: as Bruno and he said I think those dots are
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: not holes, I think that they're stars, would you debunk him,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: because I'm not talking about Galileo, where Galileo could clearly
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: show his work and be like, look what the shadows do,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: Look what these orbiting ones do? We go around the Sun,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: And then you could you can show him that with evidence,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: say Neil the Grass Tyson, Ancient Neil the Grass I said,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: look at my evidence. I think we go around the Sun.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: I think Tyson's smart enough. He'd be like, okay, I agree.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: But with Bruno, Bruno's this archetypal bong rip, fucking hippie
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: dude slaying on a roof doing hash, having these downloads,
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: esoteric downloads and saying, dude, I think those dots are
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: sons dude, I think Neil de grass Tyson would have
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: fucking lit the match that lit that motherfucker on fire
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: if he was being honest.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing, He's the only mystic any of
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: these scientists look up to. It's almost like they have
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: a complete ignorance of Giordano Bruno because he's he's a mystic, dude.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: You know, he's hardly in the realm of science, and
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: they all just look up to him as some sort of.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: God, you know.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the same thing with Carl Jung.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: He was a lot more studied once upon a time
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: before The Red Book came out, because after he had
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: the Red Book withheld in a in a vault in
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: his family's you know, thing, Red Book is only it
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: only came out like nineteen ninety seven.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: Dude, that's just new.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: But whenever the Red Book leaked or he gave him
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: permission with a date or something, I don't know. He's
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: very cryptic. A lot of high schools and colleges stopped
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: teaching you because, oh my god, he's a mystic. We
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: can't have that, you know. But they cherry picked dude,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: the guy that Neil de grest Tyson absolutely worships the
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: main og scientist.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: Fucked.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Sorry if I'm I didn't mean to curse.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: H all right, curse the whole time.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: That was the first one I caught. Damn, I thought
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: this was a kids show.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. Uh ah the alchemist, dude, someone that streaming.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: At me right now. So uh, he was a virgin.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: He worshiped Jesus Christ and that's why he was a virgin.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: He was an alchemist and a mystic. Newton he proved
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: that that sunlight is gay, and which was a huge
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: breakthrough for all of us. But yeah, Neil deGrasse Tyson
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: will go on fangirl rants about Newton and not mentioned
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: one of those things.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: All that the BBGD all look at him, go, I
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: made the mistake of stretching him like he.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Can't live without it. Now he's got to have it.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: You've got to pick him up by his paws and
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: stretch him.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: Dude, you got a good one then.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: One of my cats will lay in my arms like
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: upside down. And he likes to look at the world
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: upside down like he's cool with all that, Like he
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: gets a kick out of it. Whereas his brother Paul
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: is gangster. He has no no sense of humor.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: If you touch his belly.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: God, it's like pigs.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: You let pigs outside and within like a couple of
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: months they turn into bores.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Is that so?
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the same pig. They just live in captivity,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: so they don't need all that stuff.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: That's the same way.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: Once he let them outside, they turned feral.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: You know, I wonder if there's a change in the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: DNA there or if it's like a adaptation, adaptation, right,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: you know this is what Uh, whenever modern science, materialist science,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: they say things that disprove God.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: What they're doing is listing things that God does, and
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: they're giving it a name.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: And now that it's got a name, it's not God anymore.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: Like I've always felt this way about fuck it. They
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: say mitochondria, they say these words photosynthesis. Right, I've never
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: been able to actually see what's happening. Like whenever a
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: cell splits into two cells of equal.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: Size, the cell doesn't get bigger. It splits and then
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: it splits again into four.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Eventually it spends so many times that some of them
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: decide to become bones, some of them decide to become brain.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: Who's deciding that the cell. So there's an underlying these Yeah,
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: someone's deciding these things.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: Well, the frequencies. When you cut off the the animal
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: from the frequencies of the mother, it doesn't form correctly, right,
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: So you don't get life unless those frequencies are being
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: transmitted from mother to baby or whatever.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: It's.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to have some sort of time around
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: each other or else. The I guess it's the timing
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: is completely off because everything having to do is sell. Uh,
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: you know, death and rebirth and splitting all has to
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: do with the timing. We just don't realize that.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, like Circada's doing math, dude, there's a timing there.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Who taught him that? You know? Uh? And you have
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: a good way of getting me off on tangents, dude,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: because all right, whenever something is disconnected from the mother,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: it becomes a psychopath. Do you think that's what happened
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: to us as humanity, Because it's no secret.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: That we killed the female god, Dude.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: We replaced the archetypal ancient female mother god and.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: Replaced it with a male with a man, and we
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 8: call it he Like, well, I think you know that's
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 8: a that's an interesting point, but you know, looking back
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 8: at the older generations having to do with Anana in
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 8: ishtar like, you still see a lot of the same cycle.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: But she was basically the goddess of those cities. You know,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: in a lot of ways we've kind of preserved that.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: If you're thinking about the Statue of Liberty or Columbia.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: We still have but I mean we don't pay attention
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: to them nearly as much, but they're usually tied to places,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: you know, like Diana of Ephesis and all the rest
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: of these things. They kind of have this goddess like energy,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: and a lot of cities preserve that tradition.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: Each one has its own.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: Like residents, you know, yeah right, god right, it's like
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: everybody still craves that mother figure, but as an over
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: arching creator God, the divine feminine. I just it's like
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: it's it's like we forgot Sophia because if I mean,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: what is Sophia, She's not the mother of God. I
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: mean and and so, and then if you go above her,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: of course you have the monad, which can't be bothered
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: with a gender. You know. Uh, the monad can't even
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: experience itself. It can't experience period, you know, so it
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: needs Sofia to have experiences, right, So I wonder if
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: plasma is the female element of divinity, and matter, which
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: is the anomaly in the universe, is the male, and
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: that's your Sofia and your Demi erugos.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 5: If you do the math like that, which can be argued, sure,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: that makes God a woman.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: And when it comes down to.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: Nick, what's Newton's consort? I forgot his name?
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: Do you remember Newton's consort?
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: Knew it? The Egyptian Gottes. Okay, yeah, what was his name?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: It's like a tiny dot?
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: See, I did not know that. I know.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going no, that's that's what the Book of
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: the law?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: Uh that that's that's right, isn't it?
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: How do you?
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: I think it goes back to the same thing that
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: hydida is called by other people. And I can't think
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: it's a wing disc Can you talk about that little thing?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: I can't think of the fucking name.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: I know what.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: You get that though, So they have their own stuff
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: the idea that's matter, yeah, and she's energy.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Dude. I think there's something to this, and I think
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: it's plasma physics. Like I hate to throw everything under
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: an umbrella. But all these gods are called like El
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: something or Ma something, Mary, Magdalene, Il, electromagnetic energy. I
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: think that science and religion. I mean, I'm cliche just
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: saying this, but not only were one thing once upon
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: a time, but are intrinsically exactly the same thing under
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: different names, and we are compartmentalized.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: Mhm, Geb God of the Earth, Gabriel. So it's the
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: perfect example. She's the night sky, he's the Earth.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 5: Knew it, and Geb.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: I want to make a chart, dude, We should, we
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: should all we should get together, all our minds together
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: and make a chart, dude, where.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: It's it's got, it's got the god's names. No, how
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: would this go?
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, So it's got the civilizations down the X axis right, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, whatever,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: and then across the top you've got like a uh
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: a force of nature, matter, plasma, fire, and then and
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: then put in the chart the names that would illustrate
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: so beautifully that all it is we have different names
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: for the same things. I wonder if that would pan out,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: because then it'd be like a multiplication table of of
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: of courseness, Like of course it's it's all the same story,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: like Joseph Campbell has been telling us Joey time.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: You might have made a map.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, we can. We can make it look cool too,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: you know, like look at like right there, like the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: mandelas like not make it.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: Like but well you don't know what it's gonna look
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: like yet. You might actually get a symbol out of it.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, all right, new rabbit hole unlocked. This
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: is good.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: This could be sigils.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, underneath it we could write the names have changed,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: but the story stays the same.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: You know, wouldn't fit on a T shirt, but it
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: would make a great poster.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Dude. I'll go have the's on it with you guys.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: Dude, I'll see what I can come up with.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: A Yeah, we'll compare notes on that's that's pretty good.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: I like it some kind of like all encompassing mythological thing.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: I'm almost tempted to have to put modern things into it,
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: you know, about DMT and science and whatnot, because if
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: you kept.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: That timeline going, it would easily move into.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: You know, this DMT subject and whatnot.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: But yeah, all right, well, if you look at the age,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: it's obsession with attributes, right, So this is attributed to that. Right,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: it almost creates a clearer picture of what you're trying
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: to achieve with that sort of DMT state or whatever.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: Like you've got to list all of these different attributes
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: to the god as you're going into the kaiki on
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: state to sort of arrive at your destination.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: What is the kaikion state?
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: Well, that's whatever they were using in the line. I'm
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: not sure if they have the formula for it, but
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: it's okay. It's like this hallucinogenic mixture.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The holly cynogens is one of the
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: biggest ignored aspects of the ancient world.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: Dude.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: Uh, Right, that dude who wrote.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: The Immortality Key where he was like the first guy
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: to be like, dude, I think the uh the mysteries
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: of eleusis they were tripping their balls off, you know.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 5: And that was like a big scholarly deal. Everybody was
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 5: like whoa.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: But then he presented his evidence and it was like
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: damn of course, dude, and it was for everybody. And
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: then the Soma it leaked and people were giving out
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: the recipe to the soma, which we still don't have
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: a clear picture of today, but it involved wine psilocybin, mushrooms.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: Ergot, Like it was a whole damn concoction of all
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: that shit.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: And I also I wonder if the Philosopher's Stone of alchemy,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: i'd be d MT. I know that's a stretch, but
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: it's always there are always about the Acacia sprague dude.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: Right, what if? And that would be a closely gone
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: secret too.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: Let me know in your in your uh, in your
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: alchemy studies, if anything ever comes up on that, maybe
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: we'll do a clab on it.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: Right after I get the hole monculous brewing. That will be.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: What's the.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: That's the artificial human that you make a flask like
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: a molac or whatever?
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, when it was another name for that thing, and
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: that like.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Like making brains in a petri dish or something or
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: is it purely etherical? Uh?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: Just so many different things that surrounded Honestly, that's my opinion.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 4: It's a couple of different ideas. But like yeah, you
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: were saying, I think hellless explained yours, and I can
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: go on a little a little bit about mine if
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: you want.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: It's it's kind of a combination of spirit and matter energy, right,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: and so what You're what you're doing is you're you're
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: taking your own seed and you're combining some other stuff
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: with it, and then you're burying it in uh cowdung
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: for like three or four months, and then a little
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: man is going to start to appear and grow into
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: into size and you could talk with him. And what
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: they were often used for is to guard the body,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: as the alchemist was doing out of body experiences.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: Wow, how I I have? This has never occurred to me,
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: am I I'm looking at all union stuff when it
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: comes to alchemy like that.
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: He talks about the homunculus, I think of the Red Book.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 3: It's just it's deep in there. The dum keeps it
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: at a nice day's constant, right, So they use cowdung
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: a lot for a lot of different preparations. Mushrooms like
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: eighty five degrees, right, So which're you want to keep
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: it that constant temperature? But it's it's inside a flask, right,
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: So you've got all your ingredients inside of glass container,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: and then the little man starts to grow inside the
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: glass container.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Just bizarre, wild bro damn no, I love it. Alchemy
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: goes ham dude. There's I mean from the diagrams to
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: the methods. There's like just no leash on on these guys. Dude,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: I love that, and it makes me curious about those
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: mushrooms that would grow from that cow. Dum.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 5: The dung is to bring frequency of the butthole in.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never I've never artificially inseminated a cow before,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: but I have.
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  Speaker 3: What the old fashion.
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  Speaker 2: Edit that out?
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  Speaker 5: Oh fuck, dude, where do we go for here? Holy?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, you ever been tripping on mushrooms and then blast
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: off on DMT? You ever? No?
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: I never did DMT. I've done mushrooms, I've done LSD,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: I've done mescally out. That's it.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: It'll uh the mushrooms will act as an m O
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: M A o I inhibitor, as a shorthand inhibitor, uh
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: because it does the same thing as the uh Syrian
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: rue does in your gut, the mushrooms do.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: It's not as effective, but it's uh it is effact.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: So instead of like an eight minute, ten minute flash trip,
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: you get like a twenty five thirty minute like the
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: flash itself.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: The actual d MT flash where you're like on a different.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Station radio station is like fifteen to twenty minutes, dude,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: and then the whole trip itself is like, is like
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes is dude.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's just one in particular speed, not that fucking.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: That's why I said I don't do LSD is too much.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Mushrooms is all right, but like, so this one in particular,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: I actually had to I had to cut out and
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: tape these different attributes of the trip report just to
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: fit it all in.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: But this was one DMT trip, so I took.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: I took a little bit of mushrooms. I took a
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: little bit of Syrian root and made a t out
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: of that. So you got the double m AOI inhibitor
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: thing going on there. And then instead of taking like
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: three huge blasts of d MT like it would be typical,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: I loaded up enough for like five hits and then
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: I would take them one at a time, and then
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: around the third one, I was kind of enjoying myself
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: with it.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: It hit and I knew I was in it to
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: where there was no more functioning.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: My body went completely docile, there was no activity.
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: And uh, I was talking to this guy, doc Doc,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 5: and I named him doc Doc because that was the
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 5: noise he was making.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Oh ah, but uh, I have I wish I could.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 5: Show you this.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: There's no way you'd be able to see it. Actually,
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm gonna show you this did so I
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the artist who does the album covers for
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: uh uh infint Annihilator, I had him.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: I had him paint doc Doc.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: You can see him here, so that's oh my god,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: that's me and this is that's the picture I was
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: trying to show you that I drew, and that's Doc
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: Doc right there. And he would make all these strange
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: honk noises and whatnot. And at a certain point we
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: were we were thinking the same things at the same time,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: and we were it was like this weird moment of
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: like am I thinking or are you thinking? And he
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: was like exactly, And I was like, you know, so
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: tell me, tell me about yourself and uh he said
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: that he was a physical being just like I am,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: but he lives so far out on the edge of
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: the galaxy of our familiar galaxy that his flesh isn't
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: quite tangible anymore, like he had lost locality or something
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: like that, and that he was in death process.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I'm sorry to hear that.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: He's like, no, it's a beautiful thing because I got
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: a whole plan. And we kind of danced, and so
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: at a certain point he was like, so okay, these
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: words don't work. But he was like, my grotesque form
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: does not bother you. And I was like it used to,
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: but now we're friends. And he ripped open the blackness
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: of void and it was white. And then it's like
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: he unzipped reality and I got sucked into that and
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: it was a realm of complete white where I met
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: these guys and this is the same trip.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 5: And there's like kind of looks like a bunch of rectangles.
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: And squares, like glass doors opening and closing. That's what
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: these beings were. They were like glass, transparent mathematical doors.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: And they started talking to me, but I couldn't understand
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: any of it.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 5: It was like a dial up signal.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: It was just so bizarre, and they were like can
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: you I was like, can you put this in a
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 1: way that I can understand it? And then they shoved
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: me into this place right here, which is like a taurus,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: and this is the center of the tourists that kind
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: of looks like a tree trunk.
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: But this again was like super grotesque.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: And uh, it was like really fleshy and strange, and
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: that kind of scared the buggers out of me a
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: little bit. After that, I kind of came out of it.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: But when I came out of it, dude, it had
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: been like thirty minutes that I was running around. But
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: a background on that character, on that Doc Doc guy
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: was the reason. Okay, this was my third DMT trip ever.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 1: This grimlin woman and she was in a big skyscraper
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: full of cubes, and she was trapped inside of one
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: of these glass cubes and she was pink, and she
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: was very grotesque, very sticky and gross, and whenever I
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: broke through, I immediately was like, I'm not here to
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: see you. I'm supposed to have an angelic host. Something
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: beautiful is supposed to happen.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 5: I don't know why I got you, and I was rude,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 5: and she sent me.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: On this nightmare storm of just like information so fast,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: like okay, bitch, you want to pick, you want to
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: be picky and choosy, take this.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 5: And I was overwhelmed in that.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: So as soon as I came back, I was like, Okay,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: the lesson learned, right, So I got Doc doc later
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: he was also grotesque. But ever since then after recognizing that,
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't had that experience anymore, which is really anomaloust
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: with any hallucinogen because you'd have repeat experiences or whatnot.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 5: But let me show you give you a weird one here.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: This one.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: It goes right into what we were talking about how
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: your perception of them changes the outcome of the event.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: And for some like I had to learn it the
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: hard way because I hadn't really done all the research
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: and stuff at that certain point. You know, I did pharmacopeia,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: which is basically DMT syrian rue and mushroom juice, the
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: blue shit that you get, and instead of smoking the
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: DMT after the NAOI inhibitors, you drink all of it
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: all at once, so it's like an ayahuasca experience. But
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: the lemon juice and the mushroom psilocybin makes it come
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: on really quick and it's very fat, quickly acting, so
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: you're tripping until you drink wet red wine to flush
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: it out. But I got this whole thing going on
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: where they showed me the Taurus field or the magnetic
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: field of a human person with the spiral saying this
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: is where information comes in and there's a torus around it.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 1: When I was looking at it, I couldn't help but
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: think of angel wings and halos. And I came out
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: of that wondering if our modern depiction of angels with
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: the wings and halos is a watered down game of
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: telephone of this objective energy field around all beings, a
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: two D representation of a trust field. This one's just corect.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 5: Can you guys even see these at all?
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: Are like, oh yeah, I can once? Uh yeah, once
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: headless out of doing that. Yeah, definitely can now at
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: least I can.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 5: This one was there was no message involved. It was
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 5: just super deeply abstract.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: It was five spatial dimensions.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 5: I tried to draw five spatial dimensions but I couldn't.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: But there's different.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 5: Backgrounds in the same past one background, and.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: There's all these like fleshy electrical limbs with a bunch
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: of elbows and knees in them, and they're wiggling around
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: like uh, like electricity like a tube or something like that.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 5: And I asked what was going on there and it
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 5: was just it just made splashing.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: Noises at me. I could go on, man, you got
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: you'll have to stop me. But uh, all right, this.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 3: One we're right in about two hours.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: All right, we might go out here, but uh, one
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: of these reatures, he's like he's built for five spatial dimensions.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 5: It was possible to draw it, but like, we have
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 5: hands that can reach.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Around in three spatial dimensions. This is my best interpretation
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: that I could about this creature, that he could reach
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: around in five spatial dimensions. Specifically, and when I say
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: specifically five spatial dimensions, I'm not using that as a metaphor.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: When you break through on people always talk about it's
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: more real than real, and they're seeing colors and shapes
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: that are impossible if they stop and do the math,
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: and like, look at the research that mathematicians have done
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: on five D all the way up to eleven D.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 5: Whatever it is, they're looking at five spatial.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: Dimensions, not to be confused with time as the fourth.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 5: Very weird. Something I don't think the brand could dream.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: Up, certainly is like a download.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 5: I I'm gonna I'm gonna give you one more, one more.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 5: This one was had a huge effect on me.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: This is like what you're looking at here is like
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: this cloud of sentience, like a library of souls.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 5: And I was here, let me see if I can't.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: So that was me and I was in the d MT.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 1: Weren't realm before I saw this guy. But while I
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: was here, I had this thought. This shape occurred to me.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 1: And when this shape occurred to me, I thought to
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: myself immediately, that is perfect for Michael McGee, my old
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: buddy Mike. That shape is perfect for him. I'll have
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: to let him know about it. And then I thought
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: to myself, at wait a second, why is that shape
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: perfect for Mike. That doesn't make any sense. That's abstract.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: When this guy revealed he was laughing his ass off
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: at me, talking about he's this giant cloud skyscraper sized
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: thing of souls.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 5: Floating over he kind of pulled a tentacle.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 1: Out of my head and was like, I put that
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: idea there, and it was really convincing, wasn't it. And
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: I poured over that for I still do to this
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: day that he had complete and utter control of my
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: attention span and logic so he could make me see
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: some abstract shape and then I would think, oh, that's
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: perfect for Mike, and he would make it specific and real,
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: and then like a screen memory like that was a
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: download and then he'd pull himself out of me, and
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like why would I think that?
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 1: It was almost like waking up an elucid dream. But
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: that same occurrence happens in shamanic traditions abduction, where they
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 1: can pry into your mind and cause you to focus
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: on whatever it is they want you to focus. So
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 1: if you over there with an attitude like bitch, move
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 1: out the way, I'm ready to learn some esoteric shit,
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: they can really deceive you. And it can be And
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 1: that's where like discernment is very important in the DMT realm,
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: because creatures will tell you things that are very wrong,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: morally wrong, objectively wrong. They'll try to trick you, and
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: I've had some of them even like they freeze up
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: and then turn to stone and then into ash, which
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: isn't I don't think what's objectively happening. But I've said
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: to some of them before, like I don't believe you,
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: and then they'll they'll turn into something else or whatever.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: All of these things I used to take when I
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: would tell people about them, I would take the safe
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: route and say, oh, it's interesting psychologically how these things
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: are happening in my subconscious right I would use that
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: buffer before telling these stories to say, it's, you know
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: how amazing imagination knowing better. After reading the neuroscience on
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 1: what Gallimore has just put out, I'm pretty much done
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: taking that safe road, and I'm here to say that
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 1: those are things that I objectively saw, beings that are
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: objectively real outside of me, and the only thing that
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: is subjective about them is the form that I assigned
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: to them in order to not lose my mind, all right,
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: but that it plies.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: A sort of timelessness, yeah, right to their existence. Yeah,
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: And so all of these things can happen retrocausality, and
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: you know, we would be none the wiser because that's
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: not even a thing to.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: Us, right, Yeah, they seem to be able to even
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: implant memories and stuff. There's been times that I've come
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 1: out of a d MT trip in a different house,
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 1: in a different life, like it's my house and it's
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 1: my life, but it's a different house, a different life,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: and then it'll be like five minutes later everything starts
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 1: to coagulate and.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 5: I'm back in my what I think is my normal
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 5: home base life.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: It's like your memory centers are not only completely subject
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: to them, but almost not even real in the first place.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 5: It's very weird.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: Right, well, this is great, dude.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 5: This dude's getting flashbacks, he says. That's what's crazy about
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 5: it is compare my experiences.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: And I was doing this shit years ago, you know.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, we had the Internet and everything. But comparing
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: these experiences mine to other people's is like normal everyday
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: people who I can actually talk to, not just in
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: Rick Strassman's book. Is mind blowing to me because somebody
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: will tell me an experience that is I mean down,
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 1: it's like we watched the same movie. Dude. How can
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 1: that be?
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: That doesn't happen with mushrooms?
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: You know, certainly doesn't.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: I want to invite you guys over and your while
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 1: you're travel out there traveling, stop by Saint Louis. Let's
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: get your feet wet.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: That's where you're at. That's where you're at, all right.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm in Saint Louis.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: I got I got spare space, dude, we got we'll
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: have a podcast right here.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: Well I'll come out, dude, come on out close Arkansas.
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 5: What I'm saying, so I am three hours from Arkansas?
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Oh ship? Okay, all right? That bed, that bad one
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: thing before we do start to wrap it up.
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: I just want to mention because there's so so many
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 4: people in the chat, and I think we talked about
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 4: him here at third times the charm. This is my
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 4: third time. The first two times he did answer me
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 4: himself and put me down at least and say no,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 4: I can't make it because I'm busy. But I did
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 4: email while we're on the show because I didn't want
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 4: to forget Rupert Sheldrake for the third time.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I would like to try to get you.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: He also sent me a rejection letter and it was
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: the most post. Oh yeah, it's so nice right and
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: read in my life, dude, like opposite of fucking Andrew Collins.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 5: Bitch ass that fucking as.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 4: Shel Drake will make you feel okay about I'm telling you,
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, because like I think,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: like normally, like what is he goes to somebody and
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: then they're like all right, I'll forward it to him
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 4: and then he'll answer you, and it's actually like all
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: nice and shit, who's that? Whenever I whenever I email him,
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: it's like somebody answers and they're like all right, I'm
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 4: gonna afford this to Rupert to see, you know, blah
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 4: blah blah.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: And then he answers and it's like, you know, he.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: Sent back a paragraph talking about He's like, I'm extremely
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 1: busy right now, but I'll have you on the list.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, this dude is a gentleman, fucking Andrew Collins. Uh.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 5: I wanted to invite him on the show because I
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 5: I've read like seven of his books.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 1: I've got like ten of his books, right, But what
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: I do I don't I don't email these people from
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: Library of the Untold first. I always send him fan
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: mail first. And so I sent a picture of Andrew
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: Collins a stack of his own books, and I was like, damn, bro,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: I've wrote quite a few of your books, you know,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And he sent back two words, no caps,
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: no punctuation. He wrote loads missing, loads missing, and I
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: was like, oh.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 5: Boy, okay, I guess I've got some pussons.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bitch, dude. He was an.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: Asshole and serious.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: It was like, I think about forty eight hours later
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: or whatever, he sent me back an email or not
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 1: an email, but like a message back and he was like,
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, hey, blah blah blah. I noticed that you
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: have guests on your show. I was like, no, no,
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 1: if you treat your fans like shit, I found you,
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: I ain't no, don't don't come on my show, but
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: I'll have I'll have Shell Drake on.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 5: That motherfucker is awesome.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: Like whenever I sent some fan mail, he was like
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: he was like, thank you and prestigious, and I was like, dude,
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: that's my guy.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 5: Chris Done was the same way, dude, But.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: That's what That's wild though it loads.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: I know, dude, I have to air that out sometimes
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: because yeah, I'm supposed to be all stoic and well no,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: I'm petty as fuck, dude.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 5: That shit bugs me.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 4: Jordan Maxwell, when he was still alive, he told me
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: five hundred bucks to come on the show.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: It was like, go, fuck you no, are you?
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: Right, Like this isn't twenty years ago you kind of
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: washed up?
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: But uh yo, real quick.
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 4: Before I wrap it up, headless, please remind everybody about
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 4: all your shows and everything and that Thursday show you
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 4: got going on.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: All right, uh, if you have any weird occult experiences
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 3: involving any of the stuff mentioned here tonight, you can
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 3: send me an email at the Headless Giant Podcast at
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: gmail dot com and we will get that right up
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 3: on that show on Thursday nights and also uh Sunday mornings,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 3: we've got the trialogues with Ethan Indigo and Ricardo and
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 3: on Monday. Now it's gonna be Alchemy Monday. So I'm
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 3: gonna get out the equipment, we're gonna make some videos,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 3: and we're gonna start cooking some herbs. So it's gonna
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: be awesome.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: Oh nice, nice. Yeah.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 4: So then eventually by this time next month we should
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: hopefully be starting will probably be stuck in the first
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 4: few ten pages of seven seven seven.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is so cool because you're actually doing
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: the fucking great work, like you're actually getting your hands
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: dirty and like experimenting and putting to Yeah, it.
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: Took me long enough to be like, fucking I'm just
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: gonna do it out there.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 3: That's that's what That's what's up, dude.
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 2: That's four years to finally get the balls, so whatever.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 5: Be careful.
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no, I know that's why I wanted people
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: to be educated on a lot more stuff before even
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: so taking me right, Yeah.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 4: That's another reason, honestly why I put out a lot
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 4: of those solo things on those old piece. But look
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 4: at what they were doing before you. You look at
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 4: what they were really looking at.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: Getting into this shit. I think that's a little bit
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: more important. But Joey, real quick, let everybody know what's
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: up with you.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 5: I have Library of the Untold on YouTube, of course.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: However, if you would like to dive deeper into everything
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: Library of the Untold, there is Library of the Untold
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: dot com where I'm very proud to say, because everybody
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: in the comments has always been like, have you done
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: a video on this?
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: Have you done a video on that? Or where can
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 5: I find this episode I saw a long time ago,
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 5: blah blah. I got so many of those, dude.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 1: So Library off the Untold dot Com at the very
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 1: top is a list of all of my full length
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: episodes in order, so you can go there and browse
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: or can see what you missed all that stuff.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much, Joey, and please everybody
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 4: go check out his stuff if you have not already.
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 4: I would even suggest to go back to other Occult
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 4: Regions shows. Again, like you said, he has brought topics
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 4: on here before he has covered him, and I have
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 4: had him on for topics after he's covered him, and
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 4: other people's point of view added to the show. So
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 4: definitely check that out. And again, Joe, I'll always appreciate
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 4: you coming on man. You know you're part of the
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: crew with me, so you're always welcome here, my man,
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 4: And again, thank you for the chat. There's amazing stuff
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 4: in there, a lot of great stuff being said. I'm
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 4: assuming some of these people might even have been some
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 4: of your fans because they look new to me. But
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: a lot of great stuff in there, and I appreciate
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 4: I appreciate the love and everybody's showing up. And there's
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of people that men from the beginning to
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 4: the end, and that's what's up. If they're staying, it
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 4: must be a good show. And we got beans, got
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 4: beans there showing up real quick before the end. So
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 4: oh oh oh, you heard me talking about him, all right.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: So that's the end of another Occult Rejects and until
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 4: the next one, everybody be well Later