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Bianca Devins - Viral Murder · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: The online world can be both a safe haven and
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  Speaker 1: a nasty place. Creators can make a living, people can
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  Speaker 1: find entertainment, and even a place where they belong. But
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  Speaker 1: there lurks a darker side of the Internet that can
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  Speaker 1: be much more than people imagine. In today's case, Bianca
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  Speaker 1: Devins was a budding creator online when things ended up
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  Speaker 1: taking a turn for the worse when a jealous friend
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  Speaker 1: was unsuccessful in making their relationship become much more than
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  Speaker 1: just friendship.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 2: Wicked and Grim, a.
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  Speaker 1: True crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Warning.
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  Speaker 1: The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience.
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  Speaker 2: Question before we start forty two? Are you going to
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  Speaker 2: crack that beer?
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  Speaker 1: Yes? But I was. I was keeping it suspenseful this time.
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  Speaker 1: Now you just ruined this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, here we go. Oh, I was just
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  Speaker 2: I honestly thought you forgot, which you know what, Actually, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that was stupid. You would never forget.
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  Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't. I was creating suspense this time. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I was going to find a good moment here.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, when's it going to happen? When's it gonna happen?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly? There was going to be the perfect moment right
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  Speaker 1: before I start, that was going to open it. But
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  Speaker 1: you just gave it away.
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  Speaker 2: I ruined it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, as the Red Hot Chili Peppers once said, give
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  Speaker 1: it away, give it away, give it away now. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: that was terrible.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's okay. Let's get to the true crime, shall we.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the true crime now.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I could say that as fast as
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  Speaker 1: give it away now though.
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  Speaker 2: But that was pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate it. Well, this one kind of mirrors
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  Speaker 1: the last episode that we did regarding a murder and online,
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  Speaker 1: because there was much of online involved with this one.
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  Speaker 1: Last time we debunked it saying, look, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: online portion didn't so much happen. This one, the online
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  Speaker 1: portion definitely happened, right on, No, not right on.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm very glad the last one didn't happen because
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  Speaker 2: that was something Yeah. Yeah, wow.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this one involves a young woman by the name
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  Speaker 1: of Bianca Michelle Devins. So Bianca was born on October two,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and one. She was a seventeen year old
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  Speaker 1: teenager at the time from Utica, New York, in the
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  Speaker 1: United States of America. So Bianca had just recently graduated
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  Speaker 1: from high school, and like many people her age, she
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  Speaker 1: was just beginning to take on the world as an
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  Speaker 1: independent person all on her own, you know, coming of age,
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  Speaker 1: finding out who you are, what you want to do.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we've all been there.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of an exciting time.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, it's also very scary.
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  Speaker 2: Scary and exciting as so very mixed emotions.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, especially when you're first taking on the world and
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I hate to say it, but the world
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  Speaker 1: kind of smacks you upside the head and you get
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  Speaker 1: a reality check on like it's not as easy as
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  Speaker 1: you think it's going to be. That's for sure, totally sucks,
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  Speaker 1: But I mean that kind of happens hopefully anyone out there.
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  Speaker 1: If you haven't hit that point yet, hopefully it is
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  Speaker 1: easy for you. But a lot of people do struggle
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  Speaker 1: because the world hits you hard.
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  Speaker 2: It happens to the best of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But as such, she was set to attend Mohawk
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  Speaker 1: Valley Community College in the Fault begin her studies in
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  Speaker 1: the field of psychology. Now, it was a subject that
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  Speaker 1: was rather near and dear to Bianca's heart. You see,
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  Speaker 1: Bianca had struggled with mental illness in her life for
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  Speaker 1: quite some time. She had previously been diagnosed with depression, anxiety,
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  Speaker 1: borderline personality disorder, and even post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD.
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  Speaker 1: She quote had been in and out of the hospital
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  Speaker 1: receiving mental health treatment for much of her teen years.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's too bad. That's hard.
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  Speaker 1: It is really hard. So I feel for her. But
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  Speaker 1: also at the same point, it's like, that's incredible that
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  Speaker 1: she's dealing with these sort of things and then strives
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  Speaker 1: to go into psychology. It's like she's tackling her demon's
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  Speaker 1: head on, which is so amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and using it to motivate her exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so good on her for that. But regardless of
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  Speaker 1: her struggles, Bianca was also described as a kind and
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  Speaker 1: thoughtful person who often proactively helped other people throughout her life.
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  Speaker 1: She was always willing to offer good advice if you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to work through something, or even just be someone
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  Speaker 1: who would sit and listen if that's what you need it.
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  Speaker 1: She was kind, sweet, and a talented artist who had
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  Speaker 1: aspirations to become a model.
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  Speaker 2: Wow she sounds wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding, everything that I've read about her, she's
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  Speaker 1: just this like super kind, super sweet individual.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. We just need so many more people
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 1: We do on this Unfortunately the world is lacking in
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  Speaker 1: that department, yes, which kind of sucks, but like you say,
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  Speaker 1: we need much more of it now. Kimberly, Bianca's mom,
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  Speaker 1: gave birth to Bianca when she was a teenager, just herself,
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  Speaker 1: and in many ways, the two of them kind of
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  Speaker 1: like grew up together, if that makes any sense. So
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  Speaker 1: there was Bianca, Olivia, who is Bianca's younger sister, and
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly their mother. So all three of them were very
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  Speaker 1: close and they not only considered each other family but
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  Speaker 1: best friends too.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness that I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So it's love that a tight knit little family
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  Speaker 1: that got going on now. Kimberly's mother even had this
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  Speaker 1: to say about her daughter Bianca. Quote, she was a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful person, stronger than I could ever be.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Really, Yes, that's what.
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly said about her daughter Bianca.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, if you're gonna have your heart melt, that's
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  Speaker 1: probably a moment when it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So for Beyonca, though the real world was not her
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  Speaker 1: favorite place, she found solace on the Internet, and online
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  Speaker 1: was a way to escape the real world, and social
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  Speaker 1: media became her refuge. On the Internet, it's an easy
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  Speaker 1: place where you can find like minded people who can
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  Speaker 1: relate to you. They are endless memes and videos to
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  Speaker 1: distract you from your strug in the real world.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's a place where you have control and have the
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  Speaker 1: ability to leave an unsafe place, for example, or explore
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  Speaker 1: deeper and learn something new. It's a place where she
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  Speaker 1: could escape, and soon she developed her online persona as
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  Speaker 1: an egirl. So an e girl. This is a term
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  Speaker 1: that's derived from electronic girl or electronic boy. It's a
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  Speaker 1: conjunction word that people have adapted due to their association
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  Speaker 1: with the Internet and their online presence. Okay, so it's
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  Speaker 1: like if I were an e boy, it's because like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm always on Instagram or I'm a gamer,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like you kind of adapt this personality and
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  Speaker 1: it kind of like goes with like your clothes, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, you adapt this style to go along with it.
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  Speaker 2: I've never heard of that before. No, no, really you
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  Speaker 2: had prior.
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  Speaker 1: To Oh definitely. It kind of started gaining popularity, I
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  Speaker 1: believe in about like twenty nineteen with TikTok and the
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  Speaker 1: rise of TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Instagram was one of Bianca's favorite platforms to
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  Speaker 1: frequent and over her time using her account on the platform,
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  Speaker 1: she accumulated more than seventy thousand followers on Instagram, which
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  Speaker 1: is no easy feats. Good on her for achieving that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, what was her content are you going to say?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like based around the egirl sort of stuff. Okay, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so like she liked her modeling stuff and I tried
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  Speaker 1: to look up the account. I'm not sure if I
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  Speaker 1: found the real account or if it was a mock account,
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  Speaker 1: but the one I found only had about nine photos
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  Speaker 1: on it now, okay, so I'm assuming a lot of
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  Speaker 1: it has been taken down if that was the real account.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless of her online persona of an egirl was
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  Speaker 1: was flourishing in this app is where she would actually
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  Speaker 1: eventually meet twenty one year old Brandon Clark on April
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  Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen. So at the time, Bianca was seventeen
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  Speaker 1: and her friend Brandon was twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Through the platform, the two would begin talking and building
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  Speaker 1: a relationship together that Bianca made very clear to her
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  Speaker 1: mother that was a platonic one. She made it very
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  Speaker 1: clear to Brandon that they were just friends. She wasn't
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  Speaker 1: looking for anything else. It was just friends and nothing more.
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  Speaker 2: It's wild, actually, though, how you can have conversations with
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  Speaker 2: people and you're like friends, right, but you've never physically
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  Speaker 2: met them. Oh, definitely, really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I've got friends around the world that I've talked to
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  Speaker 1: online very frequently and I've never met them. And I've
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  Speaker 1: actually made friends online that I then met in real life,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like we're super good friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's almost like you have spent time
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  Speaker 2: in person. Oh exactly, it's quite Yeah, it's very interesting
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  Speaker 2: to describe.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like it's very much so easier to develop
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  Speaker 1: a relationship online than it is in the real world.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it comes down to two things. One,
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  Speaker 1: you are much more able to find someone to relate
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  Speaker 1: to online because you're in like minded communities for example.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So you find someone that you kind of click with
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  Speaker 1: in a like minded community, then second, you have that
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  Speaker 1: protection of your computer screen or your phone screen or something, right,
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  Speaker 1: So it's much easier to open up because it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not really real at that point,
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  Speaker 1: so you can just kind of let loose. And then
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  Speaker 1: by the time when you meet in the real world,
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  Speaker 1: you've already gone through this process of learning who each
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  Speaker 1: other are, and it's like you're just you click instantly, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because you just know each other now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the good, the bad, you know exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So as such, the two friends, you know, Brandon
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  Speaker 1: and Bianca, they hung out quite a bit and Brandon became,
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  Speaker 1: as described by Bianca's sister, a trusted family friend. Despite this,
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  Speaker 1: there was some speculation that there may have been a
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  Speaker 1: bit more to their relationship than anyone knew, so, with
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  Speaker 1: a friend of Bianca's believing Brandon supplied her with some
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  Speaker 1: drugs at times to entice her to spend time with him.
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  Speaker 1: Whether this is true or not, it's unclear, and anything
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  Speaker 1: that's been brought forward in this regard has been purely speculation.
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  Speaker 2: At this point, Okay, good to know, good, good that
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  Speaker 2: that's noted.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, However, with Brandon's personality that we will find a
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  Speaker 1: little bit later on, I wouldn't put it past them
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  Speaker 1: to at least attempt that.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, I'll just wait. I was gonna be like,
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  Speaker 2: what kind of drugs are we talking about here?
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  Speaker 1: Don't know?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It could have just been weed or I have no clue. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as I said that, it is just purely speculation, and
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  Speaker 1: all I ever found was quote drugs, drugs. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it could have been freaking cough syrup. It could have
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  Speaker 1: been like, hey, you need a you need an ibuprofen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah exactly, I'll hook you up. Who
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  Speaker 1: knows how many milligrams you need? So But regardless of
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  Speaker 1: that speculation, the fact remains they were friends, nothing more,
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  Speaker 1: at least as far as Bianca new done, done done.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I know this is just going to go south
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  Speaker 2: in a terrible way. I have a feeling. Well, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm just like, I have little stories in my
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  Speaker 2: head where it doesn't end bad and it's kind of nice.
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  Speaker 1: You're trying to rewrite it as you go. Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I feel you. Unfortunately, though, in this case, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about what really happened. Okay, so it will
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  Speaker 1: be two months after the first or after the two
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  Speaker 1: had first met in the real world. On July thirteenth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that both Bianca and Brandon were headed to
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  Speaker 1: a concert together. They were going to see a Canadian singer,
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Dollaganger in New York City, so they drove quite
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  Speaker 1: a waste to go see it, which is about four
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  Speaker 1: hours away. It was here at the concert that they
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  Speaker 1: met up with a mutual friend named Alex. During the show,
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  Speaker 1: Bianca and Alex allegedly were close and even started hitting
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  Speaker 1: it off and shared a kiss together. Ooh la la
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  Speaker 1: la la. It was something that did not exactly sit.
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  Speaker 2: Well with Brandon, okay, because he liked her.
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  Speaker 1: He did see although Bianca had made it very clear
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  Speaker 1: that she didn't want to be romantically involved with Brandon,
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  Speaker 1: he clearly hoped that she would change her mind, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe that he could get in there and you know,
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  Speaker 1: change the situation a little bit. And then when he
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  Speaker 1: witnessed Bianca kissing Alex, his jealousy would take over.
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  Speaker 2: That's tough. He was sort of just giving it time.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't taking you know that she wanted to just
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  Speaker 2: be friends as the end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was hoping, you know, it could develop into
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  Speaker 1: something else.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean sometimes it does sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless of if it does or does not develop,
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  Speaker 1: you need to respect if someone says no, if they're
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  Speaker 1: right now just being friends and he's hoping it develops
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  Speaker 1: into more, there's nothing wrong with that. But if she
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  Speaker 1: goes off and is now with Alex, he needs to
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  Speaker 1: be okay with that too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like she's very honest.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, following the concert, Bianca and Brandon hopped into
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  Speaker 1: his car and began their four hour drive back to Utica.
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  Speaker 1: On this strip, the two began talking and arguing about
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  Speaker 1: the kiss that Bianca shared with Alex. Things were getting
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  Speaker 1: worse and worse and heated, and eventually it ended up
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  Speaker 1: with them kind of quieting down and not really talking
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot to one another.
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  Speaker 2: It's an awkward drive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it would have been quite the awkward drive,
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  Speaker 1: and Bianca clearly probably just wanted to get home at
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  Speaker 1: this point, so as she waited for her arrival at
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  Speaker 1: her destination. She began drifting off to sleep. At this time,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was quite late, like they made the
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  Speaker 1: four hour trip to the concert, which I'm sure probably
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  Speaker 1: started at like seven, eight nine o'clock, went a few
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  Speaker 1: hours now, they got another long drive back home, so
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  Speaker 1: it's in the wee hours of the morning, and she
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  Speaker 1: began drifting off to sleep, and it would be then
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  Speaker 1: that Brandon would strike. Brandon turned his car into a
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  Speaker 1: dead end road that was not too far from where
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  Speaker 1: Bianca lived, and this is where they were isolated. He
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  Speaker 1: put his car in park, he set up his camera,
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  Speaker 1: hit record, and reached down beside his seat and retrieved
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  Speaker 1: a large black handled knife he had stashed away. Then
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: in this instant, in the early morning hours of July fourteenth,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Brandon attacked the sleeping Bianca and began quote
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: sawing at her throat with the knife. Oh gosh, police
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: described it as.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Sawing, oh wow, okay.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Yanka woke up when the attack began, but unfortunately would
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: quickly succumb to her wounds from the assault. Brandon now
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: took over Beyanca's lifeless body with her head not dearly
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: nearly decapitated. He left her sitting in the car while
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: he exited and built a bonfire while listening to the
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: song test Drive by Joji on repeat. He then took
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: to social media. He started on Instagram Stories, where at
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: six forty am on July fourteenth, he posted a still
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: frame photo from movie Fight Club, then posting a photo
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: after that from behind the wheel of his car looking
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: at the nighttime road with words here comes hell. It's
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: redemption right, which her song lyrics from a band called
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Hollywood Undead. From there, it only escalates. His next post
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: would be a picture of Bianca's lifeless body, now removed
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: from the car, laying underneath a green tarp, but you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: can clearly see the outline of a person underneath his
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: bloody hand in the picture, with a caption quote, I'm
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: sorry Bianca.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Yeah, you gotta be fucking me.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Oh it gets worse. After these images being posted, Brandon
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: then took to another popular app called Discord. In a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: group chat with several other individuals, including members of Bianca's family,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Brandon posted a picture of Bianca's deceased body where you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: could see very clearly her face and lifeless eyes, along
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: with the words quote, sorry, fuckers, you're going to have
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: to find somebody else to orbit. So to clarify, orbiting
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: is apparently when people follow an online individual, idolizing said person,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: like a creator or an influencer. It's kind of like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a term simping that means anything to you.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Jeez, this is okay, you said she I can't even speak.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: There was family in this discord chat. Correct, and this
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: is going to be how they're finding out that she
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: has died.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Correct. This is how the family found out she died
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: via photo sent by Brandon?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is wrong with him? Was he on drugs?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: No?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: No?
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: No?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Sober?
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: That is so just.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah you could, br no, you like and understand why?
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Like she literally thought that she was with a friend
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: and in a safe place.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the exact opposite.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Wow, my gosh.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: He very quickly did not hesitate to take her life
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: because she didn't want to be with him. She kissed
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: some other dude.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: It was only because she kissed someone else like that. Ish.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So Brandon reportedly also called numerous of his family members
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and then reportedly alleged or resembled a suicide note slash
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: goodbye on said phones which prompted family to call nine
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: one one. They weren't the only ones to call, though,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: People online who had now seen the photos which were
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: posted you know, Instagram and Discord, had begun dialing nine
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: one one, most of them not sure if this is
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: real or fake or what the hell? So they called in,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and so did Brandon himself. His call went as such, quote,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: my name is Brandon. The victim is Bianca Michelle Devins.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to stay on the phone for long
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: because I still need to do the suicide part of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: the murder suicide.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I was just about okay, I yeah, this one is
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: this one you didn't warn me about at all?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't, No, you didn't. You really didn't, Okay, And
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: that's the call. And then he just hung hangs up
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the fucking phone.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's the only thing that was said,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: but that is the majority of what he said. Yes,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that's the only insert from the call that I could
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: find and locate.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: You have to be kidding me. This has me so uncomfortable.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: It's a fucked up one. Now. The police, of course,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: immediately took these nine and one calls very seriously and
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: they immediately went to Bianca's home to make contact with
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Bianca's family to see if they can get a hold
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of her. You know, again, they thought it was.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Fake because yeah, who and who would have done something
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: like this for right? Can I just go back to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the sawing thing? So basically he's sawing her and she
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: like wakes up from being asleep and it's just too late,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: like basically basically even like help herself.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know. I don't know if she like
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: woke up to the act of him cutting her throat
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: or woke up to him like attacking her and like
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: getting on top of her, but she could not defend herself.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: He had a knife and he went right for her
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: throat and it was far too late.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Jeez. Okay.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the family had, at this point before the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: police arrived, already seen the photos, hoping it was fake too. Yes,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: no one could get a hold of Bianca. Her mother
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: was just unable to reach. And in that moment, officers
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: knew that when they reached the scene that Brandon where
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Brandon told him they were, they would be finding something
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely horrific, and they were right. As a police arrived,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Brandon took the knife he had used to murder Beyondka
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and turned it on himself. He then slit a left
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: side of his own neck and threw the knife in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: his car and laid back onto the green tarp that
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: was covering Bianca's body. Immediately, he began taking selfies on
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: his phone with his neck bleeding out and posting photo
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: one of the photos to snapcheck Snapchat Sorry. In the photo,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: he's showing off his neck on which is now bleeding,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: onto his blood saturated shirt, with the caption quote ashes
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to ashes. Law enforcement body camera footage shows officers approaching
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: with guns drawn, talking to Brandon, who tells them where
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the knife is and that Bianca is under the tarp.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: A suicide note and message were found at the scene,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and the body cam footage even shows the spray painted
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: message that was left on the road and it read
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: quote may you never forget me? And I just want
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to say this, Brandon, I hope the whole fucking word
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: forgets you.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Shit. No shit.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So he was quickly arrested and was rushed to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: hospital where he received emergency surgery for his self inflicted
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: wounds to his neck. He survived, and the following day
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: he was officially charged with second degree murder of Bianca Devns.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: So he didn't go on this trip intending that that
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: was going to happen, But I guess because she was
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: well with another guy, kind of kissing another guy.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: There is the possibility that it could have been a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: premeditation because he had the knife stashed.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Away, right, he fucking did.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: He had the knife stashed away and ready. And now
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: police are suggesting potentially because he had recording equipment available.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: But I believe the video that he recorded while killing
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: her was on his phone because he did record the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: entire attack him Because I said, the police described a
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: sawing action. Yeah, they watched the video of him slicing
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: her throat.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: No one should have to watch that. And when you
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: went to go about describing, you were like grabbed his phone.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: This okay, just like he just cannot be in his
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: right mind. This is some of the most bizarre shit
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: that I've ever heard. And also not at the same time,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: because of just the day and age that we live in.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: We're social media and like our phones and documenting everything
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: is just so forefront in all of our minds.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just run rampant and taken over many people,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and clearly something like this has taken over Brandon's life.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's probably just almost felt natural for him
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to just be posting what the fuck he was doing.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, there are many investigators, such as police Sergeant
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Michael Curly, who actually believe Brandon was searching social media
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: fame himself and wanting to post this and also his message,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you know that he wrote in spray paint, may you
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Never Forget Me? So he may be looking at, you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Bianca's success on Instagram, having all these followers, and maybe
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: he wanted to achieve that too, And now that he's
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: angry with her, he's going to achieve what she did
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: by killing her and posting it too. Yeah, there's that
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: whole other layer there too, that he's wanting to achieve
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: this stardom, this fame, may you never forget Me sort
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of fucking attitude by killing her.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it almost seemed like he was just obsessed with
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: her numerous ways. Really.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, he was through and through for sure.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: But rightfully so, because it sounds like she was amazing.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So back to that potential premeditation part, though, there
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: was also evidence that will be found through Brandon's search
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: history showing that he made online searches on how to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: locate the carotid artery, which is the artery that runs
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: through a person's neck and feeds blood flow to your brain.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: You pointed out, Well, I'm just like that definitely is
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: kind of a premeditation then for sure.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he also searched how to incapacitate or kill someone
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and other general searches for choking and hanging.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Oh jeez, Yeah, I can say my search history is
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: pretty fucked. But I guess like all stuff like that
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: on there.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you and I host a true crime podcast,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: so I think if there's any investigators, we could probably
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: be like, look at our podcasts. I'm pretty sure those
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: searches are going to be related to many of these things.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: My part or my search history is so all over
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: the place because I have like true crime celebrities, hockey,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's just chickens chickens. Like people
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: would be like, who is this chick what is she
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: actually interested in?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like me and my personal Instagram pages, Like
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I've got huskies, I've got mountain biking, I've got tiny
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: home stuff. And then it's like just sprinkled in with
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: like a little bit of a few other things just
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: randomly in there.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like having diverse interests is good.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I kind of strive for that, I believe fair enough.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: It's not a bad thing by any means. I'm just
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: sure it confuses the hell out of the algorithm. But anyways,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: we digress. So in court on July twenty ninth, twenty nineteen,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Brandon would plead not guilty to second degree.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Murder you don't say.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: He was later charged with promoting prison contraband as well,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: after officers had found a shive in his possession, like
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: in his cell, constructed out of a sharpened toothbrush. Brtal
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: He had allegedly also written a letter to a friend
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that was found in a cell as well, where he
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: bragged about knowing what it felt like to kill someone.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And the letter also actually explained his motive for the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: murder as well.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, and what was it?
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: So? To quote it, it read he couldn't handle the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: thought of her walking out of his life.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: What a piece of shit?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: The fact that he's already planning shit in prison too
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: is just so alarming.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I know, it's totally fucked. He enjoyed the shit out
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of it, and he wants that glory for being a murderer.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel like it could if he
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: doesn't remain in jail, there could be more.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'm gonna say this, he clearly has that
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: glory for being a murderer at this point. He does.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: It's undeniable. But that is the worst fucking fame you
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: could ever.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh my gosh.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: You're famous for all the wrong reasons. Not a soul
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: in his fucking planet likes you.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: No, you're not respected whatsoever.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: No. I wonder if he even has visitors honestly.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean maybe he's family, but just because they
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: kind of feel obligated, right, yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Well because they're family.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Who knows that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: But anyways, on February tenth of twenty twenty, Brandon changed
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: his plea to guilty, and on June second, tried to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: ages plea back to not guilty, but was rejected as
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: he had already admitted his guilt in various different ways,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: like he had talked to officers and all this sort
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: of stuff, and he's like, oh, yeah, I'm guilty, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: there's the video like it was just they're just like, no,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you're not changing your fucking plea.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So on March sixteenth, twenty twenty one, Brandon Clark was
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: sentenced to twenty five years to life in prison.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's probably the maximum, but gosh, I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: was so young though that it just it has to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: be more than twenty five years.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I sure fucking hope it is. Now. Since her daughter's death,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Kimberly Devns was also dealing with an onslaught of graphic
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: images of her daughter for years and I'm pretty sure
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: still is to this day. Many cruel people on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: internet still circulate the images and have even sent them
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: to Beyonca's family members out of sick and twisted humor.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Seriously, yes, they're kidding me.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Why many of those people who are quote orbiters that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Brandon was talking about find someone else to orbit now?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Or also these quote in cells is another term for
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: many of these type people who just thrive in this,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Like these in cells are people that like they're guys
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: who can't attract women in the real world, but then
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: they they orbit these women on social media platforms and
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: then it's like when they get rejected, they just like
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: hate on them like that sort of thing. And these
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: sort of sick fucks are the ones that are doing this.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: There is just there's no excuse for anyone to be
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: sending anything like that to a anyone or the family, Like,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: what kind of unbelievably disgusting piece of scum are you?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I know, Biyonca's younger sister, Olivia, actually couldn't even facelogging
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: into any social media platforms for over a year because
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: she had this fear of like seeing more photos that
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: she could possibly come across every sister's brutal, fucking murder online.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Wow, that is so beyond sad.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kimberly originally thought Brandon Clark was a quiet,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: nice man, but now she realizes who he truly was
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and being a part of this whole in cell community online,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: so to quote her, there's definitely this toxic max sculinity
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: where they believe they're entitled to women. And I really
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: think Bianca stood for everything they hated. She was a
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: strong woman, and I mean even the motive behind her
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: murder is if I can't have you, no one can.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: In the wake of the tragedy, the family and online
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: supporters advocated for change that would prevent people from sharing
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: violent or harmful footage on social media. On September twenty one,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the introduction of Bianca's Law was put in place,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: and in January of twenty twenty two, the New York
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: State passed the law, which criminalizes posting, sharing, or publishing
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: personal images with intent to degrade or views under certain circumstances.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Beyonca's family would also create a scholarship in Beyanka's name
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: for students pursuing psychology degrees. In July of twenty twenty one,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Biyanka's family had actually sued the Oneita County District Attorney's
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Officer office sorry for distribution of child pornography. So allegedly
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: they had learned from producers but documentary on Beyanca's story
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that they had received footage from the District Attorney's office
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of Bianca's death and of her having sex, along with
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: other contents from her personal phone, which included nude photographs
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: of Bianca.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Beyonca was seventeen years old, which makes this distribution of
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: child pornography. Allegedly a YouTuber was also given access to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: this in request response to the Freedom of Information Act.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: The lawsuit, however, has and it's been dismissed by courts,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: with the judge saying the state's open record laws could
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: not be used to obtain child pornography from government agencies
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: who prosecute offenders.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, why on earth is anything from her phone being
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: put out there? I don't think that's actually okay, that's.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why there was this lawsuit. But there was
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of like, there wasn't much said about this
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: lawsuit once it was dismissed, basically the judge being like, yeah,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: with laws, you can't obtain that from the governing agencies,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: like you're stating, But there's people saying.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: That they did that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: They did Oh man, that I'm assuming the court is
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: saying they must have received it somewhere else. You can't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: prove it you got from the government.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Well, of course they are. But the fact that this
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: family is already dealing with so much shit, but they're
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: still going about like creating scholarships and just trying to
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: remember her in the best of ways, But then they're
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: also having to deal with this complete bullshit. Really that
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: should never have been leaked or put out there at all.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: Well, and those photos are still out there today. I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: saw many of the photos in my research. I am
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: not going to tell you where how to access them
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: because I hope that they eventually get taken down and
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: fade away and are never out there again.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean the Internet. Once something's up there,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: though it kind of is up there, yep. Which is
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: scary and disappointing and awful.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: It really is. And it's scary to think how just
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: putting yourself out there like that, like like Bianc was
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: doing and trusted, as you said, a friend, it just
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: turned around and ended her own life.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah wow, And she just like just ended this beautiful soul.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: And who knows what she would have done with her life.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I bet you she would have just done like some
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: amazing things.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I honestly imagine that she would have continued with her
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Instagram and continue with her education, and I have a
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: feeling she would have taken her knowledge of psychology and
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: started putting it out there in form of content helping people.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: That's which would have been so amazing to have because
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: look at how many people need like just feel there
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  Speaker 2: alone or would love to have help or guidance or
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: someone to look up to.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And I think she would have been someone who would
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: have guided a lot of people, she disappointed, she had,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the audience, she had, the people watching her. Yeah, and
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I think, being the kind soul that she was, if
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: she had the education which she was going to get,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: she would have continued to help because at the very
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: beginning I said she was the kind of person who
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: would offer advice or even just be someone to listen
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: if you needed it. Yeah, So I know she would
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: have done that.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I also just can't stop thinking about the mom too.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: And she would have saw these photos and just like
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you know, would have just so hoped that they were
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: fit ache. Yeah, but then couldn't get a hold of
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: her daughter. I just can't even imagine that kind of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: feeling her mom.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm honestly torn about the idea on the
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: suicide portion of this. I mean, of course, I don't
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: want anyone to fucking end their own life, don't get
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: me wrong, but sometimes people deserve things. Brandon deserves to
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: be fucking shit on in life. I'm kind of glad
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: he did survive so he can be fucking locked away,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: he can fucking rot, and he can know that the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: world fucking hates him. Because if he did end his life,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: he would have got his way and I'm glad he
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: didn't get his way at least in that aspect.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but now I just feel like he's going to
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: be Not that I like I would wanted him to
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: have died either, but like he's just going to be
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: in prison causing issues.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, touche.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Right, he's already has a freakin toothbrush made into a
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: knife of sorts. Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a flip side to everything, that's for sure.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: But maybe that'll just make him be in there for longer, right,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: which is definitely not a bad thing.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's the story of Bianca Devins. And I'm
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: not even going to repeat the dude's name again because
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I do hope we all forget them.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I honestly cannot fucking remember his name.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Good good, don't he's a piece of shit, Yeah, the
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: douche Canoe. We don't like him. You can fuck off.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: That's all we need to know, exactly. Yeah.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, thank you so much for listening to this episode.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. I mean, it's hard to
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: enjoy stories like this at times, but we appreciate you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: being here. Nonetheless, if we want to check out any
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of our links, they're all in the description of the podcast.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: We have website, Instagram, Facebook, all the social media platforms
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: where we don't want anyone to start getting weird on
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: us and potentially wanting to, you know, do this situation.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: But you can just go follow us and support us.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: That'd be cool.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Gosh wow, Okay, I don't even know how to finish
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: that at.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: All, do So. We just covered a case where a
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: creator was attacked and we're creators. We don't want you
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: to attack us, but you can go ahead and support us.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: That would be cool.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: That would be amazing, That would be amazing. Well done
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: on this. I just have one follow up question. Is
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: this like a pretty well known case?
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Because I have not heard Yes, this is a relatively
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: well known case, and it's fairly recent, only the last
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: few years.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I'm like, I'm surprised that I never
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: heard of anything in the news about it or well.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: The reason why this one is quite well known is
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: because well, the murder pictures were posted online.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Well, and she also had like quite a bit of
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a following and stuff too.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: So okay, well well done.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Should I say it?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what do you want?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: To say that you're doing next weekisode. I just said it,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: so it's happening now.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Wow, you just decided to do that just to set
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: me up.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Bank you were supposed to do this.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I know, I've been shipping in the bed. I've just
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: there's been a lot on the go.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: There has been, so I can't blame you. Your photography
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: has been doing incredible and you've been stupid busy with that.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: So you do your thing, you still hear. I'll just
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: keep pumping on episodes.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: If Nicole, the goal is for me to have it
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: next done next week and it will most definitely probably
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: be a two parter.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, there's a chance that I'm doing the next
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: week's episode, but if I am, Nicole is definitely doing
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the following week. But she's probably doing this next.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Ba Akay, you know what, Just tune in and we'll
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: surprise you.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: She's doing an episode soon. Don't hold your breath on when.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: How's that so terrible? Anyway, thanks for being here, and
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: either way, we'll see you next week.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And until then I was pointing at you. First
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you said I.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Set you up to say it, and then you just
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: stay wicked.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: There you go