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Strictly Come Hamster - Season Seven (featuring Frazer Gregory, Toby Hadoke, Pete Lambert & Eddie Arnold) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  But yeah, that's fixed it. What's that?
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  Brigadier. He's blown up.
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  A salary and bass. He must have had orders from the
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  ministry. Know.
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  Government of frightened, they just couldn't take the risk.
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  Murder. Intelligent alien.
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  Being white them out. Welcome back to Strictly Come
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  hamster. The Doctor Who game show podcast
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  that knows the value of them Thunderbolts can tell its AOC
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  and era from its xylin era knows exactly how many beans make five
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  but we'll still somehow managed to pick the wrong winner from
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  tonight's. Doubtedly.
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  And yes, before you ask, we are all wearing eye patches.
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  The eagle business amongst, you will know that.
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  The last time you asked me to host strictly.
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  It was a series 4 where we all came together to discuss the
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  Series held in the highest of steam by fandom loved by all.
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  And continued what many consider to be the one of the four best
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  stories in the shows history. So tonight I'm Overjoyed, I just
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  come back and talk about something, completely different.
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  Season 7, John putley debut season, the Doctor Who a series
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  which is held in the heist of a steam by fandom loved by all.
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  And continuing what many consider to be one of the four
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  best stories in the show's history The old saline's out
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  there will know the format by now, but for any newbies
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  listening. The format is very simple.
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  We take a collection of Doctor Who stories from a particular
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  season or two and ask our panel of experts flown in from Q8 to
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  pick one and then make the case for either burying it under the
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  English, Moors or blasting it back in space with a mix of pure
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  M3 variant. Once we're sort of wax dummies
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  from our real, generals Will Blast the remain in stories with
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  our third eye, until only one win.
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  Are we means it is after all our mole, Judy.
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  This is why I like guest guest house on, you know, I would
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  never think of that bulshit. Thank you for.
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  So who are these experts? We've got together, who could we
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  call on to do justice to such a revered in exalted year in the
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  life of Dr. Who we needed the best of the best.
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  Oh, so we set out to find them. The first of all, we are still
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  in recent. He said, no, we asked Gary
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  Russell and he said, no, we just look my lawyer and he said, no,
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  we did us to be here to 32 for 50 pound but Joe had spent the
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  payment funds on a paradigm dollar.
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  Sign by Barnaby Edwards. We couldn't afford some Daniels.
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  And Daniel Knight said no Daniel warslie said no.
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  Dan Hollingsworth said, no. Dan Pin said, no.
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  Someone said we should ask Dan hardly and we said no.
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  I'll explain later. The Big Orange snow.
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  McManus said no, as did Mark Rowlands Paul Quinn said, no,
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  but in a very entertaining where we were, yeah, and some guy
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  called Simon heart offered to do it, but notice it heard of him.
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  So I thought best not the lovely.
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  Joe short said, no Michael Mill said, no David, Gillespie Pratt,
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  said no, Nathan bottomley was very Charming but also said no
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  and Toby. He looked at his price to 25
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  pounds, but Joel it just pre-ordered, his copy of Aces
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  jacket. So it was still out of our
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  budget. And we think Oscar Groucho said,
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  no, but he was a lot of big words just assume that we did.
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  And looks Sims Jenkins said no. James Locke said no, Jason
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  Thompson said, no, but with some science, Jim Allenby said, no,
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  Lucy McCall, really surprised us and said, no, but she did have a
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  very severe hair cut at the time and was burned in a pistol from
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  her side. So we don't know what you will
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  limit me from the police box said, no in Scottish as the
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  marks Dot and Donaldson, as well as Steve Renny.
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  Even George Nemesis Michael storm said, no, I was Looking as
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  if we're not gonna have anyone for this one, right?
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  Should we end up with that? Well, we're famous for gold when
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  we asked John Arnold and he said no as well obviously everyone
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  see a big hello and welcome to Eddie Arnold.
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  Good evening. How do you 18, do you see now,
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  why these things last five hours?
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  Yes, because people can't stop laughing on.
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  Yeah, exactly very much so. But you know, we needed more
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  than once with this point. Things got a little bit sneaky
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  and we started to use a little bit of soap diffusion maybe just
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  a few White Lies and everything. So and here's then just find out
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  right now that this is not an episode talking purely about
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  orphan 55. It's the legend that is Pete
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  Lambert's. Good evening, Peter, how are
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  you? I'm fine.
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  Thank, you know, you said you wanted the Drake's.
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  So, I got my little dragon and I was more to it than that.
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  So maybe I should have prepared. We'll see, we'll slide open, 55
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  and reference that George Bounty mention, the Dominator at some
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  point, you like to do that. So we're all good.
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  Some people just can't let their favorite episodes go.
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  Yeah, absolutely. I wasn't made, did you not a
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  robot talking about orphan 50? You almost had a conniption fit,
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  all talking about that episode? All right, about his heart.
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  So, And then when we thought, you know, this was gonna be yet
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  to be here, it comes back to us and it did come on just for the
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  Goodwill and nothing else, but the Goodwill of me on the show.
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  So here he is the man who's booked the quatermass,
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  xperiment, the making of TVs. First sci-fi classic is released
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  on Monday the 12th of May in order now from website Britain's
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  Premiere stand-up comedian and voice artist.
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  It's only Toby. Excess Malarkey every Tuesday
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  night at 532 in Manchester here. Yeah well done that.
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  But there were did you you stuck to the contracted wedding?
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  I'm very happy childhood that bag of crisps when we have a
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  break. Okay.
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  Yeah. You need to you need to add very
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  much take out. You know, they need to be taken
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  out of the bag in any. Any malformed ones need to be
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  rooted out? That's my blue M&M's baby.
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  Is a is a crisp. I've got paid that 25 pounds, it
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  would have gone back in his pocket anyway, because I just
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  want to bought more copies of his book.
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  Please give us the details again for us, but you're losing sales
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  now. So sorry.
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  If yes, if only we were doing stories that had some connection
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  with creative mess, which means bring it up.
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  If only, if only we had a natural junk shot dimensional to
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  see this evening, what? So, season 7 then.
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  As mentioned is one, that is generally held in high regard.
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  So, does everyone feel that? Or is there?
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  Someone sitting amongst us who is not a fan of the series?
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  The best price of there is, I might be surprised, there is.
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  Yeah, of course you wouldn't. I'm a huge fan of this season,
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  but I old also understand people who are not and I also
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  understand Why the show didn't continue in this way?
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  But of course, the beauty of Doctor Who is it is a history
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  made up of Blind alleys and and decisions that were altered or
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  reneged upon or that ended up, you know, branching off in
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  different directions. But I'm glad that we have this
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  moment where they decide to make doctor who like this.
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  Because, then it means that whenever you want something like
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  this, there are there are four Prime examples of it.
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  Absolutely. Would you agree with that?
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  Yeah, and it's funny because I'm not, I'm not like, I don't know.
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  The thoughts off as a perk. We guy I was an 80s kid.
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  I grew up with Davidson was my primary school Doctor, Colin,
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  Baker and guns was my secondary school Doctor Who and so.
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  But then, if I just gradually learn more about put here, all
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  these stories, keep popping up to the top of my my list.
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  And in fact, I found the, you know, that preference revealer
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  thing. You know we put everything into
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  a list and it does this all that this or that and waste several
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  days of your life, but in the end of it you know what your
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  favorite doctor before they not white but three of them are in
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  my top 10 and that is, that is amazing.
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  For anyone series of Doctor Who to be able to do that, and the
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  other ones fine doing fine, you know, just just a little bit
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  further down, but yeah, this is, this is the quality here.
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  And, yeah, it just, it opens doors for Dr. As you said, it's,
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  it's cracker. I mean, I use that preference
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  revealer when I did my top 60s for the 60th anniversary, which
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  I don't mention often and but it is out there, it's guys full of
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  Damon stop wordpress.com. Should you want to go and see
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  and yes, 50% of the stories from the season.
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  Ended up in my top, 61 of them came in at number five, the
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  fifth grade. A doctor who are these stories
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  came outside of your top. Six day did get off over here,
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  Eddie you were substantially younger than everyone else.
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  How do you find the third doctor in general?
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  And this season in particular, I quite enjoy watching it because
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  I know my cousin like spearheading space, it's so
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  different from the rest of the season and the rest of his
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  doctor and general being so action here.
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  Oh, it said I think I performed one, he's more of an action here
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  because it it feels more gripping to me, personally, Do
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  you mind the seven Partners like the length of them?
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  You know, there's a long story? I'm going to be honest after
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  watching The Silo in some of the best that I really didn't mind
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  it, but when I watched The Inferno one, I was like, please
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  bring back seven Parts. Oh, so they say the youthful
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  tonight. Do not have the attention span
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  to watch, you know, long form storytelling.
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  No, absolutely. And Yes.
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  It's definitely a mood. Isn't it season 7?
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  It's, it's a season that I really can't criticize and I
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  think is practically Flawless in what it's trying to do.
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  And it's also a season. I very rarely go to the Shelf.
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  I've never get to the end of the day and go cool.
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  I really fancy seven episodes of the ambassadors of death
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  tonight. Sorry to anyone.
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  That may is so on this call. But I think as a unique season
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  of Doctor Who doing something, unlike the serious ever did
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  before or sinus, It is practically Flawless.
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  Yeah, it's it's what wonderful. But you can't go be in the mood
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  for a bit of grit, you know. It's not much camping 7.
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  There's not much camp in seven, well, until Liz's wig comes
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  along in Inferno. And then what do you mean?
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  Saloon literally is definition of Cam.
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  I was very interesting that comments about what it looks
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  like. When they're shaking their
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  heads. Oh, when we get onto that story,
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  please share those comments. I don't know if it's appropriate
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  to share, but knowing this podcast it probably, this is how
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  your boy Eddie. I'll Trust us.
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  It's probably gonna raise the tone a little bit.
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  Yeah. Can't disagree with anything.
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  That's been said this evening so far.
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  This is a really strong season. I think it does benefit from
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  just being forced stories and, you know, being a concentrate.
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  Everything into just a four, four tails and it is unique.
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  And I like that, I like that. It is not nor being done.
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  After this, that, you know, by letter comes in and makes this
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  one season and things. Well, actually, this isn't
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  Direction. I want the short to go in, and,
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  you know, brings in a bit more camp and brings in a few more
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  space travel. And so, and very settlements.
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  I do think would have sustained throughout the series of thing,
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  you know, the the level of realism, you know, you could
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  have kept that goal. And I think it's the length of
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  the store, he's more than anything that was was
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  unsustainable. If you think, you know, seven
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  seven paths that's, you know, month and a half, two months of
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  watching One store we saw. I think that's, that's probably
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  a hard slog on the audience and I don't think that would have
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  sustained for long, but quality wise, I don't think we can knock
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  it too much. Just on the mat.
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  And if it was a an old still, an old 60 style Series going above
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  40 episodes which you another three seven parties at the end
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  of it. Okay?
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  This one is a big research base that is doing librarian stuff
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  and they discover a book. That's happened.
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  Quite good. You know, Fraser, it's very rare
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  for me to disagree with you but I don't know if the realism
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  could have been maintained much longer than this.
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  I think, the reason why the Right and started bumping up in
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  eight nine and ten was because it was more fantastic and a bit
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  more fun and a bit more colorful.
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  I think definitely the colorful and the fun definitely.
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  But if you look at stories like the mind of evil, if you look at
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  Clause of axis and possibly called are you so much.
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  Realistic Clause of access good. He's going this series, I like
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  part where the Goldman visiting me and gave me a free flower
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  thingy and that's about the whole world.
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  Yeah, I'm gonna chin would be less of a dick.
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  Yeah. See season 7.
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  He was probably be sir, sir chin.
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  So her ratio chin. Yeah.
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  He would be less bumptious. There would be two more swords.
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  The two episodes would be the doctor trying to sort out the
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  political angle of To be an axos vaccinate across the world, and
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  that sort of stuff, but I think it would definitely the, the
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  shape of it is their calling in space as well.
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  I think, you know, it's got Season seven, five Spirit
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  serious. Yeah, yeah.
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  But you can you can kind of see your name.
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  What what letters do is bringing the color and he is bringing
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  the, the excitement and he's, he's swapping Liz out for and
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  your Grant and I love this short of death as we are going to hear
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  several times. So this this evening and but you
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  know Joe's bring something different and a bit fresh out a
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  bit more exciting. But that's not take away from
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  home, calling John and the show who I'll just Highlights of the
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  season for me. So gentlemen, should we see what
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  the listeners out there all? So think of the Season before we
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  dive into the stories say heart, whoever never be.
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  Yes. Consistently brilliant putt.
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  We see his the show and by the end of spearhead, it's his.
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  He is able to assisted by Caroline, John and Nick Cortney
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  who are the perfect foils for his doctor, they are a great
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  team for incredible stories. You wouldn't want all who like
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  this, but thank goodness. We have it.
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  I mean, that's, that's pretty much bang on.
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  I would say. Well we might as well pack up
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  there, aren't we? Yeah, thank you.
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  It's a good comment from a newbie.
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  I'll give him that. He may go far, you may go find
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  us, I'll do my namesake, the lovely people beat some of my
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  favorite moods from Doctor Who's Moody season, 7 are the chili
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  morning Massacre of eeling Broadway.
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  The quiet weariness of desperate virus science.
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  The organic howling of an unknowable Mothership and that
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  area Outdoors of the fascist Inferno.
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  Yeah, we got some good soundscapes and Vibes in this
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  year. He isn't heard about me I'll be
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  chuffed. Unfortunately maybe not the
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  fastest so you've got out your father's comment that I
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  protected this was coming from a mile away.
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  Is this a long-term sustainable format?
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  Probably not but Doctor Who first sustained Venture into
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  more adult terrain works and absolute treat.
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  I mean I agree with that comment.
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  Is it only I've ever agreed with him?
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  Oh yes. Must be difficult down.
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  Hollingsworth says, love this big reboot of our favorite show.
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  Liz is a great foil for the doctor but just imagine if she
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  was Zoe, who would not had her memory wiped?
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  The color era starts so well with spearhead all on Lovely
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  film which is a great result of the studio strikes problem.
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  Well, done those Strikers, Yeah, that's a curiosity.
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  Isn't it about Zoe? Because she could she could do
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  that role. Absolutely.
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  Padre. It could be.
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  Yeah. It strange.
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  And so yeah. Exactly.
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  Is one of the youngest ever Companions and Liz is one of the
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  older ones at this point, it's and if they are, they both do
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  science. That's pretty and they're
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  clever, they're very different in other ways.
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  That would be really different, you know, really different.
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  You won't have to have been knocked out in the Tardis and
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  what can open up after the doctor's left.
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  So she didn't know that he'd been changed, don't use the
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  r-word, it's not invented yet. And yeah, then she would be with
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  the Brigadier. Sorry, I'm writing a different
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  story. You wouldn't get that wonderful
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  scene at the start of spearhead between Liz and the brick where
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  you explaining everything because he's already knows the
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  brick and unit and all that. So you lose all of that as well.
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  That's just my mind to me, if that one plot, that was meant to
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  have Jamie leave at the end of his first story with the yeti in
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  the land of McCrimmon was he gonna go and be the leader of
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  macaron in the Now in the 1980s all were they going to be
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  supposed to be always wondered if that was gonna take him back
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  to his original time or something that I don't know.
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  I think it was back in. Yeah.
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  I think it was. Yeah the day so they would have
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  been some time travel element to suppose.
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  Yeah. How we're off Pace.
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  This much already seasoned. 7! Sure!
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  I think. Oh yeah.
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  So Luke Simmons Jenkins. Season 7 is the best season of
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  Doctor Who there is. And we're talking the purple
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  here and never comes close to bettering it all killer no
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  filler. Yeah, that's going hard.
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  That's a great line because it's often this one does get
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  appreciated with caveats. I like having it appreciated
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  just with no, this is brilliant. Yes, it's brilliant.
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  What does he mean? If I can name some episodes in
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  the middle to stories? That feel very Feller, we'll get
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  there. We will get it doesn't scan as
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  well. If you say all killer with some
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  middle, maybe more accurate. Like let her tagline stand.
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  Sorry, you've got Paul Quinn's comment.
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  I too enjoy the work of Nigel. Neil never well, good, because
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  Paul will very much enjoy the quota Mass experiment films.
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  Oh, they're not their website. As a young when I'm ashamed to
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  say. I've never watched any Quakes
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  mass at all. Well Eddie you're in good
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  company because I've just asked her up chairman.
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  If he is coming to my book launch of my book, the way to
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  mass experiment and he said it will be a perfect vehicle for
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  him to start his watch of quatermass because he is never
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  seen it and he is hundreds of years old so you have nothing to
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  be ashamed of and I rather Envy you because it means you have
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  plenty of joy to come and I hadn't seen until we had our
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  conversation. I watched all of it ahead of ya.
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  I was talking about it and do you remember how shocked I was?
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  It quite fast too which was the one which started with the exact
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  same sequences spirits The people in the room, everything
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  the camera angle on the guy Loop.
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  You know, Sam Seeley, is Fred, large the farmer in greater mass
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  too? I mean, that it's exactly the
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  same shot. Yeah.
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  All right. The movie version, with Peter
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  Cushing, bring an extra something to it.
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  Oh, if Brian done Levy but there, that's another day.
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  So Paul cresser, we're from one pole to the other pole, creta
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  says classic Who at its most adult with one of the best and
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  most underrated companions in this Shore.
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  Three, excellent stories and one that's okay, hmm.
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  Does it suffer from over long stories and a lack of variety?
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  Probably. But I still love it.
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  I'm not gonna ask which one he means by the one.
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  That's okay. He's never comments on every
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  story. So what he means Which I will
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  try jokes about to say something.
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  I really interrupt, what are you talking about?
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  Down pins says I love season 7. My favorite of the perk.
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  We hear it feels gritty and grown up steeped.
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  In realism yet. Not without humor.
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  That's true. Don't value that.
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  Sorry. I'm not supposed to comment in
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  the middle. Am I?
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  Oh, I've ruined it. So it isn't too dark responsible
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  for so many iconic moments in who.
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  Lure? A filthy you guys, it's gonna be
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  hard to pick a winner. He's right.
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  Oh no, one just before we gonna do and be very cheeky and just
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  been all the fun, I don't think it will even know that balls.
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  I don't remember that he and I halfway through the episode, I
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  was supposed to be prosecuted, one of these stories and halfway
• 22:42
  through, I just gave up my argument and just said, oh, it's
• 22:45
  brilliant and that series 8, B. So you're not, you're still not
• 22:49
  gonna win me over with killed the Moon.
• 22:52
  He's coming, isn't it? Eddie.
• 22:55
  It's a Eddie being Kevin Bianco. Ah, yeah, I don't think you've
• 22:58
  gotten. We're actually doing this for a
• 23:00
  second. I think it was an essential
• 23:03
  reset post-second. Doctor Inferno and ambassadors,
• 23:06
  a solid gold class that I like, the harder edged home chewing
• 23:11
  decision to make the show more is bound with the right one.
• 23:13
  Despite what let's index said. David Gillespie practice.
• 23:19
  Although, I'm not reading out the next one, as although, as
• 23:23
  his name has been mentioned a couple of times already.
• 23:24
  It behooves me to point out, his called Darren Makai, not on
• 23:28
  McKay, and I hope he will thank me for that reason, like,
• 23:32
  Fulton, Makai and Mr. Mackay who was played by Fulton McKay who
• 23:35
  only played people after this with the surname Makai, because
• 23:39
  he got fed up with people thinking he was Jane Seymour.
• 23:42
  But anyways, you know what, more embarrassing about me getting
• 23:45
  his name. Wrong is, I've known Darren
• 23:48
  McCoy for many, he was my tape dealer, but he wasn't because I
• 23:56
  was gonna say. It wasn't your drug dealer?
• 23:57
  I was well, yeah. Um, it was like getting drugs
• 24:06
  actually, get well, it was, it was very much in those days,
• 24:09
  wasn't it? It was very well, very much
• 24:11
  under the counter and clandestine and all sorts of
• 24:14
  things, but those were the days. The answer, your question that
• 24:17
  idea is about 10 years in the nick.
• 24:18
  Yeah. But what, some of us had to do
• 24:22
  for those types? Yeah, sorry Darren as well.
• 24:25
  Don't copying, which is why we're, you know, when, when you
• 24:28
  factor you know, save up all your pocket money and trade
• 24:32
  things and go a fantastic Journeys, just to give somebody,
• 24:36
  you know, all your harder and cash to get back.
• 24:39
  An E18 with 7 episodes that look like they've been made out of a
• 24:44
  lighter scope of nuclear waste and Australian fantasies you
• 24:53
  know, you appreciated it, whatever it was that is exactly
• 24:56
  what my copy of The Silo is from Darren McCoy.
• 24:59
  I look like so David, Gillespie Pratt anyway, says season. 7 is
• 25:05
  one of the most brilliant seasons in 26 years of classic,
• 25:09
  who one of the strongest animals most consistent runs of this
• 25:12
  series. There's a real sense that
• 25:14
  everyone has brought their A-game, but special mention for
• 25:17
  Jon Pertwee who Nails the part from episode 1 and we see new
• 25:21
  sides to the doctor. Yeah.
• 25:26
  When we get scared, I'm going to have a lot to say about your
• 25:28
  podcast on that. Oh, who's podcast yours.
• 25:32
  Oh what we talked about Toby's know I'm done with it.
• 25:35
  Practically the only full I haven't talked about season 7
• 25:39
  on. I mean, I apologize to listeners
• 25:42
  in advance you've heard the millions of different ways,
• 25:45
  which I've talked about Seasons. I mean, on behind the sofa for
• 25:48
  God, say I did buy one season, 7 joke on behind the sofa, but
• 25:51
  what I'm going to do this evening, be brilliant.
• 25:54
  As long as about the exploding ourselves it, oh, it's
• 25:58
  definitely about love. Please Pete, get the name right.
• 26:04
  Let's go. Darren MacKay.
• 26:06
  Yes. Says God, I love this season but
• 26:10
  we make a great quota bus. Sorry what he was who, oh,
• 26:14
  right. Hmm.
• 26:15
  Well, pretty much the same as what I was going to say.
• 26:18
  So Lorenz and ambassadors could lose an episode or two, but
• 26:22
  that's about it whistle. Is it stayed for another season
• 26:24
  though? This is not the podcast being
• 26:27
  reading. I come in to say the ambassadors
• 26:30
  of death. Good news.
• 26:31
  Oh, we'll get there. Maybe that was a typo when he
• 26:35
  really wanted eight or nine. Easy to.
• 26:40
  It's like the dominant as we all want to see that extra episode.
• 26:46
  I I'm really conflicted about Liz because I would really like
• 26:49
  to see more Liz but at the same time, I would not lose a second
• 26:53
  of Katie Manning. In the show season 7B.
• 26:58
  Yes. Yeah, or ideally Crossover with
• 27:02
  the two. Yeah.
• 27:03
  Yeah, both for a while. Liz doing science.
• 27:05
  Katie being Intrepid and being the kid to get in trouble.
• 27:08
  Yes, thank you. Well, they've done one as well.
• 27:13
  Call Brian, it was fabulous. But of course it was.
• 27:16
  Stacey Ashford. And Help me out.
• 27:20
  Hitman I was okay. That's Sarah Jane.
• 27:28
  Don't think it's quite big. Custody.
• 27:30
  Is she still with us? He finished his new random box
• 27:35
  that well, yeah. Sorry.
• 27:41
  Any David Troutman was the fourth doctor?
• 27:43
  Well, that's parked out there for now.
• 27:49
  And let's get talking about these four episodes then, so and
• 27:52
  again, quick recap of the format.
• 27:55
  We're going to pick an episode talk about to give three reasons
• 27:58
  to either, keep it or pin it and then everyone else gets divorce
• 28:02
  to see whether it stays in and goes into round two or gets
• 28:07
  chucked in the bin. I'm guessing not many is gonna
• 28:10
  get chucked in the bin the night, but I'm sure you guys I'm
• 28:12
  gonna prove me wrong. I do make these bold statements
• 28:14
  and they get proof wrong. So in order to make up for the
• 28:18
  the sheer and you know, amount of lie in that we did to get
• 28:22
  them onto the podcast and I think it's only fair that we let
• 28:24
  Mister Pete Lambert. Go first.
• 28:26
  Oh, choice. Okay, well let's begin at the
• 28:33
  beginning. I'm gonna say spearhead from
• 28:34
  space. And I'm just gonna I mean
• 28:37
  because this is this is I think my 10th favorite story of all
• 28:41
  time to move around but that's the general Vibe.
• 28:42
  I like I love it that much. Because Doctor Who it's had a
• 28:46
  good Innings all that running about borrowing ideas.
• 28:48
  From other shows that used to do, you can't keep happening
• 28:51
  hacking on like that forever. It runs surely it's run its
• 28:54
  course but they just they just pick it up and they steal some
• 28:56
  different ideas instead and and it just gels that the chances of
• 29:02
  this going really badly. Wrong must have been pretty high
• 29:05
  if it hadn't been in such talented hands.
• 29:08
  But it's easy to forget that this is only the second time
• 29:13
  that we've changed the lead actor.
• 29:14
  And I mean, just no show has ever done that before.
• 29:16
  No signs fiction show that ever thought of just changing their
• 29:20
  lead actor. I'm Toby's not even reacting.
• 29:22
  I thought I'm like getting wings before so but it's this thing.
• 29:29
  We're nothing set in stone that it isn't a regeneration.
• 29:32
  We haven't invented that yet the just having his face changed.
• 29:34
  And I think it's really interesting that in spearhead,
• 29:36
  they I think the early parts that the doctor is trying to
• 29:40
  reassure you, he's very trout me.
• 29:42
  I think just the Tweet is a bit different.
• 29:44
  But all of that scampering about all of them going, if you
• 29:48
  traveling in that wheelchair, a little bit more flapping of
• 29:51
  hands but it would have been basically the same just of it.
• 29:53
  So there aren't. There's still sense of, they're
• 29:57
  not being any rules yet and I love that about it.
• 30:00
  But we said what we used to do. That one man show thing talking
• 30:05
  about his life, he always used to say, oh, that first one, I
• 30:07
  had no idea what I was doing but And he only got the hang of it
• 30:12
  later, but I think he lands this amazingly.
• 30:14
  Well, from the start the setup itself is amazing.
• 30:17
  We've got we've got Bakelite aliens raining from the Stars,
• 30:20
  we got, we get straight away, we get, I'm Sergeant, Major
• 30:24
  ladyboss at the RAF base with her, extremely sweaty assistant
• 30:26
  and and that's just dropping you into the 90.
• 30:30
  It was the 90s before the RAF got rearranged so that you could
• 30:33
  have a woman. Commanding a man, he's so
• 30:37
  sweaty. Because it's okay.
• 30:39
  Yeah I think that's a ninth time.
• 30:42
  I saw it that I realized that's what it was.
• 30:44
  Just yeah. But she's she's cold.
• 30:49
  She's too cool. How did they get a heatwave in
• 30:54
  like mid November anyway? Right I love when it's late all
• 31:02
  night feeling very sweaty. It's what his favorite things
• 31:06
  this is this is the unit I want. They're in a grotty underground
• 31:10
  car park. Everything's really echoey
• 31:12
  miraculously fixed that on the blue right.
• 31:14
  But at last really has got his little trim phone but it says a
• 31:19
  lot of time on the phone. I think it's really got some
• 31:21
  good phone acting from Nicholas Courtney but straight away if
• 31:24
  you if he wasn't so likeable particularly that first is a bit
• 31:27
  you know she doesn't want to be there and that's always a frosty
• 31:29
  way of introducing a new companion but we know we're
• 31:31
  gonna get to know her later. I love the jazz music that's
• 31:34
  playing as she has been driven around.
• 31:36
  She, I think that's her theme. I think she actually just
• 31:39
  listened to that like Ruby kind of diggly Smith thinking, June
• 31:43
  type Jazz wherever she goes, right?
• 31:45
  That that's pretty her Fame. Does it not need to play for out
• 31:47
  the season? That's the one the one downside
• 31:50
  that I'll give this season is the subsequent stories.
• 31:52
  Don't have groovy kitchen jazz music playing whenever he's not
• 31:59
  getting enough it's not good enough.
• 32:01
  Yeah we'll get every single scene is what I'm saying we will
• 32:04
  get there. If You are so and this is
• 32:09
  supposed to be a short intro and I could just waffle for ages.
• 32:11
  Telephone, a little things Calvin, Thomas hoovering More
• 32:14
  welshly than anyone has ever been before.
• 32:16
  The doctors first line being shoes must find my shoes hand me
• 32:21
  Madam which is of course a president of a far too.
• 32:24
  Handsy in orphan 55, which is gonna be setting seeds
• 32:29
  everywhere. This, they make so much out of
• 32:34
  the location filming. It's, it's all just so good, it
• 32:36
  looks so good. Channing is overshadowed by, I
• 32:40
  mean, not overshadowed in when you're watching it, he's so
• 32:42
  scary. He's like, loitering behind the
• 32:44
  phone box and everything. He's Terrifying and before too
• 32:53
  long we've got the best thing that Doctor Who ever does which
• 32:56
  is aliens in the woods and they want to kill you and they're
• 32:59
  looking for you and they're through the trees.
• 33:00
  We get that a few times in doctor whenever doctor does
• 33:03
  that. I'm so sold the kit Bush rate
• 33:06
  this one as well. I think she did.
• 33:08
  Yeah, yeah. It was kind of wrote it.
• 33:11
  Kinda that was a little Textual drugstore, please everyone.
• 33:19
  So yeah, so the most famous shower scene, it's the base
• 33:22
  Motel. We got people being brutally
• 33:26
  killed in that car, crash Blood and Guts and that's what the
• 33:28
  kiddies want. I mentioned scobie, he's a good,
• 33:32
  you know, military type, that's not got the warmth of the rigid,
• 33:38
  but it mildly, and is there at the old popular?
• 33:42
  New Madame Tussaud exhibition of civil servants, which all the
• 33:47
  kids were rushing to see. So it's certainly good that he
• 33:49
  managed to get there to why all the old towns putting real
• 33:53
  people there because they're evil and they just doing it for
• 33:55
  fun. I think, then we, I mean all car
• 33:59
  accidents with the perfect life form for this planet, being
• 34:02
  created in a giant fish tank, which wonderfully doesn't look
• 34:06
  like anything at all. It's like nothing.
• 34:08
  Anyone has ever seen. There's no nothing.
• 34:10
  Anyone could possibly think that looks like.
• 34:11
  So it's just really and amazing. Yeah, um, Liz finale, Liz gets
• 34:19
  To be the one who's working, the thing that actually blows it up
• 34:22
  while Peart, we get to do his bit of gurning and they're
• 34:24
  trying that out and maybe he's not gonna miss the out.
• 34:27
  Your Tom's Breaking Through the Glass that again, just, I don't
• 34:31
  know that there's some you gotta leave a stomach pain because
• 34:34
  magazines all around them. Good Rave magazine.
• 34:37
  And I I went down this. Look at that.
• 34:40
  And someone tried to send me some drugs.
• 34:41
  Um, it was oh, It wasn't about 7:00 on a Saturday night.
• 34:45
  So this story take to, it's like a Doctor Who movie, it puts
• 34:50
  everything in there for the set stuff up for a whole new year,
• 34:55
  to really kick off, and that's an incredible thing to do.
• 34:58
  So many ingredients are laid Outlook, could be picked off and
• 35:00
  run with for years. I'll be and it's a remake of The
• 35:03
  Invasion as well, but it's not like, it's not country and
• 35:05
  nowhere, but it's, it's just snapping it all into new shape.
• 35:11
  You know you said Blood and Guts there is that short of that.
• 35:15
  Oh units. Soldiers faced blade hits the
• 35:19
  windshield with the old is that single nastiest shot in all of
• 35:23
  Doctor Who it's really graphic. Yeah you're looking at like you
• 35:29
  mutant in Revelation of the Daleks or something but because
• 35:34
  it's a car crash rather than a you know dispatch by laser beam
• 35:38
  or you know space sword or something like that because it's
• 35:41
  really it's something that's real.
• 35:42
  It has an added horror about it. I think it's just the way that
• 35:47
  all told or dispassionately as a look you know.
• 35:50
  Oh yeah. Right now I'll go get the thing
• 35:52
  out the back. And every eggs I've got a
• 35:56
  feeling you like that story. It's all yeah.
• 35:59
  Frozen comes just to check. We are keeping this one.
• 36:02
  Yeah. Well, well gotta see.
• 36:05
  It's a keep from it. Okay, so I started with the
• 36:12
  comments. Yes.
• 36:13
  Kick off the hugely intelligent John Arnold says the direction
• 36:18
  of script and spearhead offers with each other with Martin, a
• 36:22
  steamrolling, some Holmes comedy, and occasionally maybe
• 36:24
  pushing things too far as we just discussed the accent on the
• 36:28
  accent. Know the yeah, the accent on the
• 36:31
  action is Thoroughly effective, though.
• 36:33
  It gets Doctor Who's color era off to a thrilling start at.
• 36:37
  Did you agree? I'm offended she called him
• 36:39
  intelligent. I won't do it again.
• 36:43
  And I've already, I already discussed this with him, just
• 36:47
  like a little bit before that. I came on here and I said, no, I
• 36:51
  don't really agree about the directions script.
• 36:54
  Not conflicting because frankly, if I'm just watching it, I don't
• 36:57
  really care to notice about that stuff.
• 36:59
  Okay, I can't wait for you've got to say about it.
• 37:03
  And oh, first of all, though is Jason Thompson.
• 37:07
  Who says it's supposed to be a classic but in a reversal of the
• 37:11
  usual receive fun. Wisdom after years of hearing
• 37:14
  this, I found it very underwhelming.
• 37:18
  Even as the shortest of the Season, it takes forever to get
• 37:21
  going the capture and Escape of the doctor that bridge is part
• 37:24
  one and two is pure. Partying, Sam Seeley is giving
• 37:27
  loads of screen emphasis but disappears when the story has no
• 37:30
  further you swim and the doctor wigs up a magic box, zap the
• 37:33
  alien the end. I will see if it no I would like
• 37:39
  to say that his comment was four times the length of that, but we
• 37:43
  do need to go to bed tonight. So that was the gist of it.
• 37:47
  Okay. That was the peak tie edit.
• 37:50
  Yeah. So this next name for say Owen
• 37:53
  Owen you win, you win Morris says the template for
• 37:57
  regeneration stories to come creepy when it needs to be
• 38:00
  Charming. When it needs to be a remarkably
• 38:02
  comfortable production, full of iconic imagery, and it still
• 38:05
  looks absolutely gorgeous. Mmm.
• 38:08
  Alright, guys, I'm gonna need a big big.
• 38:12
  I'm gonna need an orange orange. I'm gonna need to make out my
• 38:18
  kids. It is really have to shout out
• 38:20
  these names like that. Yeah. it's it's yeah, like
• 38:27
  Eddie. performance that ship of sailed over, right?
• 38:32
  I was warned of this happening and I was just like, why don't
• 38:37
  you just get a life? It's good.
• 38:38
  It's gonna happen for more times to make it up.
• 38:41
  So big orange. Michael says, the first of many
• 38:44
  templates stories for future years, creating a template for
• 38:47
  post-regeneration stories. The only classic who see you
• 38:51
  will produced all on film. It looks great.
• 38:53
  A solid four-part day for the third doctor that I adore in
• 38:57
  every way. Keep it.
• 38:59
  Looks seems Jenkins says the boldest New Direction Doctor Who
• 39:03
  ever took new doctor new format a great introduction to unit and
• 39:08
  sigh leash. Sure, I love her.
• 39:14
  Right. Glenn Fitzgerald says spearhead
• 39:17
  is one of those stories that gives me a warm cozy, homely,
• 39:20
  feeling a new doctor, a new era, and water way to start good
• 39:24
  piece from the start and is one of those stories that keeps your
• 39:26
  attention and who doesn't love Sam?
• 39:28
  See the and his thunderballs Daniel know it says a tight four
• 39:35
  partner introducing Lee Shore with the brig as our
• 39:38
  identification character. Although Percy is good.
• 39:40
  He doesn't get much to do. Even Liz is the one who saves
• 39:43
  the day while the doctors being attacked by some very rubbery
• 39:46
  tentacles but the altons are cool and make silly rules.
• 39:51
  Oh yes. She's great.
• 39:59
  All Arthur. Not many stories can be said to
• 40:01
  be actually iconic but spearhead definitely fits that bill, the
• 40:06
  High Street massacre at the end of part.
• 40:07
  Four is one of those quintessential.
• 40:08
  Some of these moments that scored a generation of kids for
• 40:12
  life, you didn't get the new version of the comments are said
• 40:16
  you tonight for us. So I'll show you the one that I
• 40:18
  added Daniel rules. Please says Doctor Who falls out
• 40:21
  of the hardest and into a world of 70s color.
• 40:24
  As a way of relaunching, a minty fresh vision for the show.
• 40:27
  This one can't be endlessly rewatchable with tricks, both
• 40:31
  old and new. You just know her ways the
• 40:34
  doctor because he waste no try to pick up the ladies.
• 40:38
  I think he weighs less time picking up the shoes, and he
• 40:41
  does ladies. I mean, it's Caroline, John.
• 40:44
  Okay, but it is lovely. The way that she immediately and
• 40:48
  she plays it so well that she's not in the happiness.
• 40:50
  And as soon as the doctor arrives, she she likes him and
• 40:54
  she's like, yeah, I'm gonna stay here, we're gonna fun together
• 40:56
  and it just immediately clicks. If I started wagging away my
• 40:59
  eyebrows at you saying, I'm from the planet delphon.
• 41:02
  Was that impress you pay was that you know, that Meme where
• 41:05
  there's a woman and somebody comes around the corner and and
• 41:08
  he's an attractive man and says something.
• 41:10
  So she gets cool HR and then an attractive man comes around the
• 41:13
  corner and says the same thing and she's like she that's back
• 41:18
  at him. It's not actually, I mean that's
• 41:20
  used for nice reasons, usually, but that we put back on his
• 41:24
  eyebrows and I think anyone would just bat Heroes at him.
• 41:26
  I mean how could you resist? He just so damn that was a
• 41:29
  visual gag that didn't work in a podcast.
• 41:31
  Well, Who is he is not artists okay.
• 41:36
  Anyway with John Poe he's just so damn Larry Larry Turner
• 41:40
  anyways sorry back to the comments.
• 41:46
  Alright, so where we should know, you are poor Queen.
• 41:53
  So Paul Quinn says, it's the near future military scientific.
• 41:58
  Investigative agencies where olive green jumpsuits scientists
• 42:01
  with 14 degrees, where the funkiest hats in the world,
• 42:04
  Britain has a space program capable of Manfred flights to
• 42:07
  Mars yet. It's mannequins from Deptford
• 42:09
  drills. Who butcher everyone in
• 42:10
  spearhead. That's it?
• 42:12
  Oh, how many did you had before you started writing your
• 42:17
  comments on season 7? That voice is has to start.
• 42:21
  Well, and boy, does it. But we as possibly, the only
• 42:23
  doctor to hit the ground running after heart, knowing the classic
• 42:26
  rum, listen to break equally strong, he burned, his chilling,
• 42:29
  atmospherically shot on glorious film, wonderfully directed with
• 42:33
  memorable moments and scary. Oh boy.
• 42:37
  Is this scary? John Hall spearhead must be the
• 42:41
  only Doctor Who story to be helped by Industrial Auction.
• 42:44
  The decision recorded all on film.
• 42:46
  Along with Derek, Martyrs is very capable of Direction lens.
• 42:50
  Everything, a cinema of everything, feel of political
• 42:52
  coolness of heritage, James HB, says out the four stories.
• 42:58
  It's got the least plausible. Backstory needed to make the
• 43:01
  on-screen stuff work. It also has the least plausible,
• 43:04
  Invasion, plan and the worst gurning ever.
• 43:07
  Dear God! That was a better attempt, oh,
• 43:10
  and the nesting. A prolapses itself to death
• 43:14
  been. Oh, that is some top top quality
• 43:20
  ghurnan. From John Truitt.
• 43:21
  I must see that. Is, that is next?
• 43:23
  This is this is why you got the job.
• 43:25
  I think that good and anyhow, but she was there.
• 43:28
  It's like what was the first version?
• 43:30
  Do you go into too much? Or because he didn't get enough?
• 43:32
  We'll never know. I think not enough.
• 43:35
  I think he didn't turn it down too much.
• 43:39
  All right, Glenn, Fitzgerald. Inferno takes the series out
• 43:43
  with a bang. Great story, great plot and some
• 43:45
  good old-fashioned vibes. Story sit back and enjoy what it
• 43:50
  is. A big bold story with lots of
• 43:51
  energy, lots of drama and great action.
• 43:53
  You can also play see how many times you can spot the same
• 43:56
  stuntman for out the entire season.
• 43:59
  In fact, I would like please What's up for Speed?
• 44:07
  Oh, that's amazing. That must have been putting that
• 44:10
  one out. You do the next one out because
• 44:12
  it's really long. Oscar Groucho from the
• 44:18
  extraordinary called open to the great film Sheen.
• 44:20
  This is a cracking opener albeit.
• 44:22
  I'm sure I'm not quite what contemporaneous fans were
• 44:24
  expecting. It's darker than any who before
• 44:27
  and I don't just mean the location work with a sense of
• 44:31
  real world. Pessimism permeating, the
• 44:33
  dialogue. Liz isn't sure of units.
• 44:36
  The breakdowns. This strange new man, who is who
• 44:39
  he claims to be. It's entirely atypical of the
• 44:42
  rest of the era, would visceral blood on display and creeping a
• 44:46
  vacation of post-human suburban dread.
• 44:49
  It means the best pilot Doctor Who was hard post.
• 44:54
  Anonymously child and its Innovation and Verve have been
• 44:57
  much copied since a redwood among mere Sprouts yet entirely
• 45:02
  atypical of the area era it was to spawn.
• 45:05
  I was Hammer Suburban trade. I didn't realize I had all these
• 45:10
  medias study. Students doing comments for
• 45:12
  hamster. Oscar, thank you, Paul.
• 45:15
  Kresser says, when I saw this on VHS for the first time, it
• 45:18
  looked quite unlike any other Doctor Who story I seen and all
• 45:21
  its Film Production means. It's still does, it's perhaps a
• 45:24
  shame they couldn't continue like that.
• 45:26
  You can see why it's a template for introducing a new doctor, or
• 45:29
  Doctor Who to a new audience. It really, isn't it?
• 45:32
  Yeah, I've seen the TV movie too hard.
• 45:35
  It's for beat that scene in this.
• 45:38
  It's its gets repeated certain motifs.
• 45:42
  Get repeated in a lot of that. I mean, 11th Hour Steel in the
• 45:46
  closed from the hospital. Now change room, you know all
• 45:50
  comes up, Paul Dunne. All I'm filming, looks
• 45:54
  beautiful. Almost a mission statement of
• 45:56
  what's to come beautifully directed, particularly the shop
• 45:59
  dummies coming to life, truly horrific Perth.
• 46:01
  We hits the ground running and finds his doctor instantly.
• 46:04
  Great turns from burden and would not, we nearly there
• 46:07
  folks, thank you for your patience.
• 46:08
  David Gillespie Pratt said spearhead is the simplest and
• 46:12
  the lightest of the season but possibly the production that
• 46:15
  saved Doctor Who. So for that alone, it deserves
• 46:18
  our respects, the film work is inventive.
• 46:20
  And you've never think it was a last-minute solution.
• 46:22
  We kissed up the season honest, but still a 10 out of 10
• 46:26
  classic. They're all turn out 10.
• 46:28
  This is gonna be hard. Yes, this is gonna be hard.
• 46:33
  Oh yeah, maybe Tantrums look at Michael storms, Nemesis himself.
• 46:41
  We get off to a strong start with the best debut story to
• 46:44
  Lamont Smith era. All the introductions are
• 46:47
  skillfully handled and the nastyynez are much more of a
• 46:50
  threat and much and more interesting here.
• 46:53
  Channing is a chilling villain in the auton attack is
• 46:56
  rightfully lauded. Our penultimate comment comes
• 46:59
  from Paul, Smiley, excellent debut for the doctor.
• 47:01
  It being all on film adds an extra layer.
• 47:04
  I think everyone loves this Sunday.
• 47:06
  The shop window dummy scene is still so terrifying.
• 47:09
  However, it's my least favorite of the season.
• 47:13
  Not leaves me about it with Anthony Carroll.
• 47:16
  Superb, intro to a new era autons are great series need to
• 47:21
  spin-off. I start their finish and death
• 47:25
  toll involves a bush queue 9 out of 10 actually Carol's got a
• 47:32
  thing about death tolls in Doctor Who Right.
• 47:35
  That's the comments. That's what the listeners think
• 47:37
  and Eddie. Would you like to share your
• 47:39
  thoughts with the group? Oh, finally, back to me
• 47:41
  comments. Now, this is your first Strictly
• 47:46
  Come hamster, isn't it? Yeah.
• 47:50
  My thoughts. He won.
• 47:52
  Is it? Yes, please.
• 47:53
  I'll say. I'm gonna.
• 47:56
  I'm gonna have to say again so I already been mentioned.
• 47:59
  Once I have to say it again, we all know Max Heelys deals show.
• 48:04
  Absolutely seals show. And I've said this before to
• 48:08
  Family. But then, yeah, the High Street
• 48:12
  Massacre is one of my top favorite scenes in the whole
• 48:14
  show, the massacre. That's what are your favorite
• 48:17
  scenes and all of Doctor, Who how comes I just really like,
• 48:20
  how the, how it's like built up to, and then And then just how
• 48:26
  they all go out like that. And like with them, you can see
• 48:31
  like the actors eyes in them, but it's like even if that was
• 48:33
  unintentional, I think that just makes it ever so slightly more
• 48:36
  creepy. Yeah.
• 48:39
  About them. All being lined up in a bus
• 48:41
  queue shot in the back as well. And then, yeah.
• 48:48
  I don't care enough to actually have a dog doing a backflip like
• 48:51
  that guy. Did he?
• 48:52
  I think the guys from Harvard have quite a few times It's
• 48:59
  true. It felt as a lovely backflip in
• 49:00
  axos when he's when he's guarding axis and the master
• 49:03
  comes out and zaps him, he does a kind of somersault backflip
• 49:07
  which is rather gorgeous. There's plenty of it as well.
• 49:11
  There's a few, there's a sea devil or two as a death by
• 49:14
  backflip. There's a whole podcast in that
• 49:17
  The challenge is there? Yeah, another thing to do list
• 49:21
  and I believe there's in fact, a whole DVD slash Blu-ray Extra.
• 49:28
  Feature it on. That is the not Mr. Hero.
• 49:30
  Oh, what on Havoc? Havoc.
• 49:33
  Yes. On.
• 49:34
  Listen, very seasoned. Yes, on, on The Inferno, it was
• 49:39
  up first on The Inferno special edition, it was it was there to
• 49:44
  justify people shedding up for a story.
• 49:45
  They'd already got that. They They've restored it in a
• 49:50
  couple of different ways. Haven't they which certain
• 49:53
  people can spot the difference between and I just go okay,
• 49:58
  you've reversed standard to that one and you've done something
• 50:02
  else with that one and you know I couldn't a few showed them
• 50:05
  both to me I would never clue. What do you think of?
• 50:09
  Poetry in this one. Is he like the doctor?
• 50:13
  yes, I do quite like, I mean, Literally he opens up with
• 50:17
  shoes. I don't I don't any other dog
• 50:21
  has a better opening than that. Every time I need to see the
• 50:25
  word shoes, I was trying to deliver it in the style of
• 50:28
  putty. Shoes.
• 50:33
  Holding those desperate person, she's ever seen.
• 50:35
  Just have the Tardis came in like you know, that's the thing.
• 50:41
  Why she keep in your shoe though.
• 50:42
  Have you got like So many pockets.
• 50:46
  What people did in the 70s? It's better than a Secret cowboy
• 50:50
  off the page. Do you like the old ones in
• 50:54
  this? Well, I've already answered that
• 50:57
  technically. Yes, I do.
• 50:58
  I saw a great comment about this somewhere.
• 51:02
  I don't remember where I saw it, but it's like someone said that
• 51:05
  the autons are the greatest feeling in Doctor Who but only
• 51:09
  for their story, and that's something that I could perfectly
• 51:12
  agree with, oh not terribly Alton's, Hmm.
• 51:16
  No. no, it's like I it's up I think there's way more way too
• 51:21
  camp in that compared to their There are there are very
• 51:25
  different manifestations that is right?
• 51:28
  Yeah. I think the kind of place second
• 51:30
  fiddle of the master. That's, yeah, that's very
• 51:33
  concept. After strong several lesser Box
• 51:36
  reviews on it. I know many people do not like,
• 51:38
  how the Orton's place I can handle the master.
• 51:42
  I think yeah what's a letter boxed review ready.
• 51:44
  Oh boy. What a flashlight was the other
• 51:51
  day, Joe. Oh, you don't need to know that
• 51:57
  sort of thing. Alright, you know it was a bit
• 51:59
  it was a big eye opener. Actually, what is a letterbox
• 52:03
  review? Oh enough.
• 52:06
  On an app called letter boxes. Oh, you gotta remember.
• 52:11
  We're all right. Sorry I forgot.
• 52:14
  I was on this past bunch of these.
• 52:16
  Here we are monkey on Pacers and snaps, and when you're in your
• 52:23
  30s like us, you'll understand. But we do actually prefer the
• 52:28
  term Boomer if you don't mind. What would you write spearhead
• 52:32
  from space? I think I gave it four and a
• 52:34
  half stars on this. He might, when I was doing up, I
• 52:40
  hurt my whole doctor who walked through last year.
• 52:41
  I think I thoroughly disliked it.
• 52:45
  But that was probably because I was watching it whilst I had an
• 52:48
  ear infection and I just, oh yeah, that's gonna put you off.
• 52:52
  To fit the war game passed by very quickly.
• 52:54
  When I was watching, that was in the ear infection.
• 52:56
  Don't know what happened with this one.
• 52:58
  I heard it looks comments, quite a few people said it's the
• 53:01
  weakest of the year. Do you think this is the weakest
• 53:04
  of the year? No.
• 53:06
  Oh, okay. So what cost it half the star.
• 53:15
  I didn't know, I just don't feel like it's that I don't think
• 53:19
  it's out of 10, but it's very damp perfect.
• 53:24
  Yeah. So is it safe to say you were
• 53:27
  putting this one through? Yeah, very safe selling.
• 53:30
  Putting this one through to find out which one is weaker than
• 53:35
  this? we'll get, we'll get there, Toby
• 53:39
  Hello. Oh, you putting this one
• 53:41
  through? This is called Doctor Who and
• 53:43
  the auton invasion. This is how I knew this story
• 53:46
  first reading the target novel. So when I collected it, I it's
• 53:51
  odd. I approached this story in an
• 53:54
  unconventional manner. First, I received it on on a
• 53:58
  Blu-ray cassette, not a Blu-ray cassette, a bootleg, cassette
• 54:01
  of, you know, acquired videos and I had episode 4 first.
• 54:08
  For some reason, I think I had episode four at the beginning of
• 54:11
  a six-part and then episodes one to three on the other end of a
• 54:15
  four-part. So what's episode 4 first?
• 54:17
  And Found it somewhat disappointing.
• 54:22
  And then watched the first three and my disappointment was, was
• 54:27
  that nothing in there? As waged any disappointment.
• 54:31
  I felt that it's partially because I was watching Doctors
• 54:34
  only all Film Production on slightly globby video tape.
• 54:37
  I'm going to say something slightly controversial.
• 54:40
  I love filming Doctor Who but I love filming Doctor Who when
• 54:44
  it's mixed with interior scenes in a studio on video tape.
• 54:48
  I like it when they go outside and everything sexy and
• 54:50
  occasionally a ship Corridor, that needs foam in it or
• 54:53
  explosion. It's not the old gorgeous and
• 54:55
  metallic as well. And and I I because I because
• 54:59
  that is what I was used to and because things that were all
• 55:02
  filmed with things like the children's film Foundation
• 55:05
  movies that were on. At sort of tea time when you
• 55:07
  came back from school, that were always wildly disappointing that
• 55:10
  the sound and I don't think the sound recording is particularly
• 55:13
  strong in spirit from space. There is a lot of echo that as
• 55:16
  has been mentioned. Has had magic worked upon it,
• 55:19
  but I'm not sure. We should be judging it from
• 55:21
  what has been done to it. Since is, you know, a lot of the
• 55:27
  the echo in the in the lab scenes for example, Sort of get
• 55:31
  provided me with a bit of a disconnect in the scenes lacked,
• 55:36
  the sort of Engagement that I would have if they were on
• 55:39
  video, which is a bit more immediate and a bit more
• 55:41
  accessible for sort of dialogue scenes, in particular, but
• 55:46
  that's because all I watched was Doctor Who which tended to be a
• 55:49
  mixture of the intimacy, if you like of the video, taped
• 55:52
  television studio, and then the spectacle generally of outside
• 55:57
  and film. So, when film in vagaled its way
• 56:00
  into interior scenes, it seems wrong to me.
• 56:03
  And and also, I attended to look at stories for the first time
• 56:08
  looking for, what was new about that story and I found a lot of
• 56:11
  things Um, you know, for example the fact that perk we doesn't do
• 56:15
  anything really in episode one. And so and and and and and
• 56:20
  actually when I watched episode four because that was first, the
• 56:23
  only seen really got of John would not.
• 56:25
  I was a really looking forward to because John would not see
• 56:27
  loads of Doctor Who stories so he must be, is him rather
• 56:30
  unconvincing a tank and then pushing himself away from it
• 56:33
  when he gets shot and disappearing backwards.
• 56:36
  With the sound effect that doesn't help to to dilute any
• 56:40
  comic that the scene might possess.
• 56:42
  And some of the characters were not how I expected from the book
• 56:46
  in Harry Ransom. I seemed to remember being quite
• 56:48
  anyone called. Harry was quite, was, it was
• 56:51
  quite a rugged name when I was young and then, and he's John
• 56:54
  Ransom in in the TV shows and he's got quite a wobbly face and
• 56:58
  very wet lips, and it's not what I was expecting at all and
• 57:01
  Hubert and chanting. I, he's seemed to call him being
• 57:05
  quite sort of Chatty and alive in the book.
• 57:07
  And I found him quite sort of dispassionate and wooden when I
• 57:12
  first Came to it. But of course I was young and I
• 57:17
  was stupid and it was only as time has gone on.
• 57:20
  And I do think there is something to be said for
• 57:24
  watching. A remastered version.
• 57:27
  So the where the film had been sort of globby and slightly
• 57:30
  indistinct on the, on the, on this bootleg that I had now that
• 57:33
  you can see it all beautiful. That shows a lot of things that
• 57:38
  had perhaps not quite worked in the compromised form in, which I
• 57:43
  watched them. The number one of those being,
• 57:45
  which is going to be my number. One thing is Hubert, and
• 57:49
  Channing, which I think is one of the most brilliant alien
• 57:54
  performance is in the whole of Dr. Look at what he's doing.
• 57:57
  It is an absolutely deliberate Choice.
• 57:59
  He was actually quite a sort of charming and, and eccentric sort
• 58:04
  of player who burden at times. But he could also do cold and
• 58:08
  aloof, but here, he's playing an alien, not many people playing
• 58:13
  aliens in Doctor Who particularly, in Doctor Who 962
• 58:16
  899, sort of decide to play alien.
• 58:20
  It's largely sort of people with things, or whatever.
• 58:23
  And, and when and sometimes, When they do, it cannot work
• 58:27
  because we're not used to seeing people, not speaking like we
• 58:31
  speak. So, the reason that we, you
• 58:33
  don't go full length alien, is because it can look really
• 58:37
  stupid despite people's best efforts, and sometimes admirable
• 58:40
  efforts to create an alien performance.
• 58:42
  You guys see what you're trying to do there, but probably would
• 58:44
  have been better if you just spoken in Shakespearean RP.
• 58:48
  And that's because that's kind of how we translate how alien
• 58:51
  speak. But that that intense gleam
• 58:54
  glare that alien cold malevolence that is just in his
• 58:58
  eyes. Well, the rest of his face is
• 59:00
  really impassive all though. It will occasionally kind of
• 59:03
  when he's doing the concentrated bit with that, lovely goldfish
• 59:06
  Bowl lens that they've got on the camera when he's doing the
• 59:09
  sort of the, the mental communion with his, with his
• 59:13
  Judy, Judy Orton's, or with the great intelligence or whatever
• 59:19
  you can, you can feel a sort of an effort of the will sort of
• 59:24
  mental strain going on behind this sort of impassive mask.
• 59:28
  I think it's a really sophisticated and Brilliant and
• 59:32
  unique performance, in Doctor Who, and I love it.
• 59:35
  So, he burden as Channing. Yeah.
• 59:37
  When you see about 12 versions of his face for that glass in,
• 59:43
  that is a magnificent shot Madonna, loved it so much.
• 59:51
  She put it on her album, cover for MDMA.
• 59:55
  That's just what I was going to say.
• 59:57
  I'm sorry because I know I know all about Madonna album.
• 1:00:01
  I'm sure it's all your favorite. And absolutely, I spend all my
• 1:00:06
  holidays on a lattice lab Bonita just to prove my Madonna
• 1:00:11
  credential. So now so yeah Huber and and
• 1:00:16
  actually Film which I didn't like originally as a explained.
• 1:00:22
  Actually it being all on film is my number two thing because it
• 1:00:27
  just makes it completely its own thing.
• 1:00:30
  And and actually I think had it been an on film story in the
• 1:00:34
  middle of the perk Weir. It wouldn't have been quite but
• 1:00:37
  the fact that the show kicks off this new color era and has the
• 1:00:41
  added boost of being able to do all the lovely things you can do
• 1:00:44
  on color with with with with film.
• 1:00:47
  Which gives us that tracking shot.
• 1:00:49
  That we've mentioned the outside, the scene with the
• 1:00:52
  meteorite that should have been inside that goes out the
• 1:00:56
  Fantastic auten battle that shot of Channing.
• 1:01:00
  There's so many wonderful bits that you're allowed to do
• 1:01:03
  because of film and going from inside to outside.
• 1:01:06
  And it's it's a very beautiful looking production and Derek
• 1:01:13
  Martinez, seizes the opportunity and relishes it, I do think
• 1:01:17
  again, we do have a very compromised sound mix that I
• 1:01:20
  don't think helps it and the magic that is been worked on.
• 1:01:24
  It is not to the credit of the original production but I'm so
• 1:01:28
  I'm saying that twice. But this actually, I'll say it
• 1:01:31
  like this, and I'll do that. And also, then it means stupid
• 1:01:37
  people on the internet go. I'm sure that's John, put we
• 1:01:40
  dubbing Nicholas. Courtney was just then, I'm not
• 1:01:43
  even gonna give that the time of day.
• 1:01:45
  I in fact, I vowed that I wouldn't because it's now I have
• 1:01:49
  seen mustn't. Don't come on to podcasts and
• 1:01:51
  get and voice for annoyance with things that you don't need to
• 1:01:54
  get annoyed by you when you can just ignore them, okay?
• 1:01:56
  It's true though, in those early scenes, some of the dialogue.
• 1:02:00
  It you have to struggle to listen to in the original with
• 1:02:05
  that. Yes, like you really?
• 1:02:06
  Yeah. So getting close to the TV as a
• 1:02:09
  kid. Yeah, the same problem on
• 1:02:12
  elderado. Yeah.
• 1:02:14
  Oh God. I watch the foot.
• 1:02:14
  Yeah. So that when they put them on so
• 1:02:17
  that was during lockdown at least of their problems
• 1:02:19
  everything. Yeah.
• 1:02:22
  If well in fact he probably made some scenes better that you
• 1:02:24
  first or yeah. Oh he was the best thing in it.
• 1:02:30
  Yes. And the third thing I like about
• 1:02:36
  spearhead is Is watching it in order, I love the war games.
• 1:02:42
  The war games is a phenomenal piece of television.
• 1:02:44
  When I was watching Doctor in order with, with Rob Shipman for
• 1:02:47
  running through corridors, and I was surprised how much I liked
• 1:02:50
  the war games because I always sat in the received wisdom, that
• 1:02:53
  was just sort of a bit long and didn't have any Monster's in.
• 1:02:55
  And actually when you watch it, as it's supposed to be watched,
• 1:02:59
  it's absolutely incredible. So then coming off the back of
• 1:03:02
  that and going into spearhead and going, my God, they've
• 1:03:06
  totally Reinvigorated doctor and I like what it was, but you
• 1:03:12
  know, it wasn't going well with the public.
• 1:03:14
  Particularly did need a lovely life.
• 1:03:16
  I think it's no exaggeration today.
• 1:03:18
  Spearhead from space saved Doctor Who and it's such a
• 1:03:24
  Punchy production. It's a, it's a really important
• 1:03:27
  story and the word there are. I mean, again watching episode
• 1:03:32
  4, first one of those tentacles attached to because what the
• 1:03:36
  body in the tank I kind of much there, but the proportions of
• 1:03:42
  the nasty are have not been thought about and that last
• 1:03:45
  scene is a bit as you say, well can't imagine how bad it was the
• 1:03:48
  first time around because it is a bit compromised in its
• 1:03:50
  execution and there are sorts of issues like that.
• 1:03:53
  But nonetheless it's it's it's a really well mounted production.
• 1:03:58
  It's a, it's a very straightforward adventure and
• 1:04:03
  the idea of shop window, dumb is being killers and it's Robert
• 1:04:06
  Holmes. Really finding out what he wants
• 1:04:08
  to do with Doctor, Who, to become its premiere.
• 1:04:12
  Sort of script writer really. And but where it's my third
• 1:04:16
  thing is, where it stands in the history of Doctor.
• 1:04:18
  Who if it hadn't done a lot of the things that it does, we
• 1:04:22
  wouldn't have Doctor Who today and also it creates a template
• 1:04:25
  for a lot of stories that our favorite Doctor, Who stories of
• 1:04:29
  ours. Even though I too, It's very
• 1:04:34
  difficult for me to be objective about this season, but I might
• 1:04:38
  also add to the chorus that say it is perhaps the weakest.
• 1:04:41
  Oh, the season. But nonetheless, Eddie is
• 1:04:47
  shaking his head. None.
• 1:04:49
  Nonetheless. Because, you know, I said the I
• 1:04:54
  have on previous strictly said, well, what I will do is I will I
• 1:04:59
  will, I will split the season in half when I will I will bin 50%
• 1:05:04
  and I will keep 50%, but I was in a mean mood when Joe asked me
• 1:05:09
  to do this partially because I was slightly worried to the day
• 1:05:12
  to have anything interesting. And I'm not sure I've yet a
• 1:05:15
  disproved that noise I am I'm being I'm being rather a stick
• 1:05:24
  in the mud with this edition of Strictly Come Dancing as you
• 1:05:27
  will discover as we go on because I am going to keep It's
• 1:05:31
  a shame. We're doing it in this order
• 1:05:32
  actually because I'm keeping the weakest story.
• 1:05:36
  Okay. You can imagine what I might be
• 1:05:39
  doing great. But yeah, so I will keep
• 1:05:44
  spearhead from space. Keep keep keep keep well to be
• 1:05:47
  and I am not going to add to the core of people who say that this
• 1:05:51
  is the weakest. The season.
• 1:05:53
  And simple reason, being that, this is one of two stories that
• 1:05:56
  made my top 60 and it came in at number 42, I think there's no
• 1:06:00
  going to be no surprises amongst.
• 1:06:01
  Those people who know me as to what the other story is, but we
• 1:06:05
  will get there. So 60 did you Frazer?
• 1:06:08
  Never mentioned. I don't mention it often but you
• 1:06:11
  know, it is out there diamonds but wordpress.com yes.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah. It's there and so, three reasons
• 1:06:18
  why I think this is such a fantastic story and why I am
• 1:06:21
  putting this one through as well.
• 1:06:23
  And first one is Bob Holmes, the writer And I think we all can
• 1:06:28
  agree that the quote ones is a great story and I think we could
• 1:06:32
  all agree that. If we could see it, would all
• 1:06:36
  agree that the space is a great story as well.
• 1:06:38
  But I think this is Bombs first, truly great.
• 1:06:41
  Bangor, the story. And it's just got the lot that
• 1:06:46
  the plotting is just. So on point in this one, it's
• 1:06:49
  that perfect mix of the alien invasion but the new doctor was,
• 1:06:53
  well, you know, with put, we've been gradually introduced in the
• 1:06:58
  story and, but it doesn't feel as if you know, there's not
• 1:07:01
  enough Alien Invasion plot for the stretch, that last, the four
• 1:07:04
  episodes, and the plot and his excellent, the creation of the
• 1:07:08
  autons themself. As he's described or a fantastic
• 1:07:12
  creation. I think what works really well
• 1:07:14
  with them. It's, it's a thing that Steven
• 1:07:16
  Moffat will come back to time after time is the mundane made
• 1:07:19
  menacing. It's the The thing that you're
• 1:07:23
  used to seeing every day, the shop window dummy coming to
• 1:07:26
  life, that's what makes them so scary.
• 1:07:28
  It's just been done before this. And I don't think that was made
• 1:07:33
  menacing. It hasn't the wolf had we've had
• 1:07:36
  Menace. In familiar scenarios.
• 1:07:38
  We've had yetis in the underground.
• 1:07:40
  We've had post office Tower made scary.
• 1:07:43
  We've had cyber men coming down and the What's called?
• 1:07:49
  Step balls Cathedral steps. Yes.
• 1:07:52
  And so we've had locations made minutes in, but with alien
• 1:07:57
  creatures, this is the first time that, you know, something.
• 1:08:00
  You know, that could be not in your house, not in your living
• 1:08:03
  room. But you could walk past on your
• 1:08:06
  way to work or to the shops that could potentially threatening
• 1:08:09
  it. So, it's something at the turn
• 1:08:11
  up a little bit too high, The Following season in the sequel
• 1:08:14
  and get told off by the police and unbelievable.
• 1:08:19
  It's terribly Awards. Where they got their wrist
• 1:08:21
  slaped after. What goes on out in spirit from
• 1:08:23
  space. Yeah, but I think that is, you
• 1:08:27
  know, the it is the point of know you've gone too far that
• 1:08:29
  yet. Shocked me as fine go and be
• 1:08:32
  scared by shotgun. But don't be scared by the
• 1:08:34
  police because the police should protect not scare and And so,
• 1:08:40
  it's it's the template for all the future regeneration stories
• 1:08:45
  after this. There's so many elements from
• 1:08:47
  the previous, from, from this story, that get reintroduced.
• 1:08:50
  So you've got things like the, the doctor knocked out for a
• 1:08:54
  portion of the story. It's, it's not as much as you
• 1:08:56
  think. In this one, it's only like an
• 1:08:57
  episode and a half by the time you wake up and gets dressed and
• 1:09:00
  goes out. And, you know, that's that's a
• 1:09:03
  recurring Motif that you're getting sort of custard of other
• 1:09:06
  and the Christmas Invasion and you get them Swap and the
• 1:09:09
  clothes they've mentioned, which he does in TV movie and he does
• 1:09:12
  in the 11th hour. So there's just so many
• 1:09:19
  Elements. This this kind of sets the bar
• 1:09:21
  really for, for your post-regeneration story, and the
• 1:09:25
  script itself is an absolute singer, which kind of dovetails
• 1:09:29
  nicely into my second choice for why.
• 1:09:33
  This is so great, which is obviously Liz Shaw, because she
• 1:09:36
  is magnificent from the moment just Stomps into the Briggs
• 1:09:39
  office and just started taking the piss out of them.
• 1:09:40
  Should literally just spend vast majority of the story just like
• 1:09:44
  taking the piss out Romans, like, you know, you know,
• 1:09:46
  General scoby walking in and they all know there's a, it's
• 1:09:49
  not a police box. It's a rocket ship and now it's
• 1:09:54
  better camera. Flash police box, it's a
• 1:09:58
  spaceship. She thinks she think you should
• 1:10:02
  open. Not open it pretty.
• 1:10:04
  That might be a police officer and size up the whole show.
• 1:10:09
  Doesn't she goes? Oh man.
• 1:10:16
  Oh you can change his appearance through time.
• 1:10:19
  Yes. It's just like yeah in Charlton
• 1:10:25
  that for until you're saying it. Now rolls just in case you all
• 1:10:30
  about this doesn't Roll Along on Wheels.
• 1:10:32
  Yeah it does. But I mean, there was comments
• 1:10:37
  at the start, then we talked about this, about how, you know,
• 1:10:40
  Zoe could be the companion here and so we could go fit in.
• 1:10:44
  I, I disagree with that. I think Zoe is a very Is a very
• 1:10:49
  similar character but at the same very different she's just
• 1:10:52
  sort of like the Batman of the Superman as it were and of Liz.
• 1:10:55
  It's you know, Zoe is quite peppy and quite eager and keen
• 1:11:00
  and got a bit of naivety about where is Liz is a lot more.
• 1:11:06
  World where she has got that sort of sarcastic sword on it
• 1:11:09
  Edge to her. She's basically the Belinda
• 1:11:12
  Chandra to Zoe's Ruby Sunday as we are seeing at the minute and
• 1:11:18
  you know she's kind of like the ace to Mel that we get get Lily
• 1:11:24
  on. So I think it's really nice to
• 1:11:27
  have a character that is and you know, doing things on her own
• 1:11:33
  terms. You know, she is Gonna Come
• 1:11:35
  along for the ride but it will be on her and she will chip in.
• 1:11:38
  She will see the day but she will stand out.
• 1:11:40
  She will take the piss out of you regardless of You know, what
• 1:11:44
  rank you are? Or anything at and or she'll
• 1:11:47
  just go back to Cambridge when she's had enough.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 1:11:51
  You know, she's smart, she's sexy.
• 1:11:52
  She's capable. She's fourth right?
• 1:11:54
  She's assertive. She is just a brilliant
• 1:11:56
  character and right from the off and you put number one, fancier,
• 1:12:01
  don't you Frazer? Oh, it doesn't even yeah.
• 1:12:05
  And top of the building has to be the man himself perfectly,
• 1:12:10
  John put we come in and just hit the ground running as as Doctor
• 1:12:14
  Who and he's he's got that arrogance and he's got that
• 1:12:18
  looflis about him and not, you know, You know, almost
• 1:12:24
  aggressiveness to them that there's going to be really at
• 1:12:28
  the Forefront in years to come but he's got such charm in this
• 1:12:32
  story as well. You just bags and bags of charm
• 1:12:34
  when he's kind of like doing his eyebrow.
• 1:12:36
  Waggly dance, that Liz to see Hello and he said, do I have to
• 1:12:40
  call you miss? Sure, you know, stuff like that.
• 1:12:43
  Just really and you know really in years it's to the character
• 1:12:47
  and he plays every aspect of the doctor throughout this and the
• 1:12:52
  story perfectly. He's got that sort of like you
• 1:12:54
  know, when he lost his memory and he's sort of like childlike
• 1:12:59
  quality to him and you know like toddler almost behavior of
• 1:13:03
  hungry mother and all of that and then he goes through and
• 1:13:07
  he's he's busting into the factory at the end.
• 1:13:10
  He's like thinks he's poor Daniels.
• 1:13:12
  You know generally thinks he's a magician at this point in
• 1:13:17
  probably is in. You know.
• 1:13:19
  He gets that good and at the end.
• 1:13:20
  Yeah I love that. I think that's just you know I
• 1:13:23
  think Where is is Cain's trying to sort.
• 1:13:26
  He's all up, he knows he's a comedy actor, he knows he's got
• 1:13:29
  played straight but you can't quite You know, take one away
• 1:13:34
  from the other at this point. So he's doing both together and
• 1:13:37
  it's just a wonderful combination.
• 1:13:39
  Martinus is complicit in that going in.
• 1:13:41
  All right, he didn't have to Take that camera as close as he
• 1:13:45
  does, but he zooms right? Aren't we all glad that we did?
• 1:13:49
  Yes. Aren't we all glad that he did
• 1:13:51
  so and yeah, it's 100% Going through for me.
• 1:13:55
  And I think this is fantastic introduction to a new doctor, a
• 1:14:00
  new series, a new decade and new colorful action packed year of
• 1:14:06
  Doctor, Who Sure what God nothing left to say.
• 1:14:10
  You've said it all a lot of yeah, right.
• 1:14:12
  We'll move on then something snaps in my mind when I look at
• 1:14:18
  the autumns because the facsimile of the human face
• 1:14:22
  really scares me, it's why the robot scared me, is why the
• 1:14:25
  clowns came in great show in the galaxy. but I think the scariest
• 1:14:30
  version of this Subgenre of Doctor Who monster is the ones
• 1:14:35
  in spearhead from space that those faces.
• 1:14:37
  Those dummies all standing in a row waiting to life.
• 1:14:42
  When Ransom is in the room. But are they just terrify me?
• 1:14:46
  A doctor who doesn't really scare me.
• 1:14:48
  But this story, really does scare me.
• 1:14:50
  And the scariest scene in this, isn't that unit soldier with his
• 1:14:53
  face blasted all over the view screen.
• 1:14:55
  It's make Sealy coming home and here at all, that smashing going
• 1:15:00
  on inside her house. We're literally taking the
• 1:15:03
  horror inside our living rooms now and that auten turns around
• 1:15:08
  with the gunk all over his face and she lets out this horrifying
• 1:15:12
  Scream. It's so scary.
• 1:15:14
  And then she runs out into the garden and of God bless.
• 1:15:17
  I don't you love her and I did, I picked up a shotgun.
• 1:15:20
  Yeah, she blows two rounds into his chest and he just keeps on
• 1:15:24
  coming. It is terrifying this story.
• 1:15:28
  I thought what it does sort of kids, but if there's a hell out
• 1:15:30
  of me, I also I love that scene between the Brigadier and Liz at
• 1:15:36
  the start. That's mold.
• 1:15:37
  Run Scully 20 years early. The skeptic and the believer.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah, and it. Really promises.
• 1:15:45
  It promises a sort of sharply written confrontational
• 1:15:50
  relationship between those two. We don't really get it
• 1:15:54
  throughout the year. Do we?
• 1:15:55
  That we don't get enough of it? Anyway, there's a few moments in
• 1:15:57
  other stories but in this in this story it just works bang
• 1:16:03
  on. I think they've got wonderful
• 1:16:04
  chemistry of those two. And I also really love the fact
• 1:16:09
  that the homeless is working with Vivid images throughout
• 1:16:11
  this entire Story. And Another steal that the
• 1:16:15
  X-Files made was in the two parts are in season 6 two
• 1:16:19
  fathers and one son when a politician in his big Grand
• 1:16:24
  Country House Get the doorbell goes and he goes off to the
• 1:16:28
  door, opens the door. And there is a man wearing his
• 1:16:31
  face standing at the door. And he comes in a murder.
• 1:16:34
  She probably is shot for shot. This Cliffhanger in episode 3 of
• 1:16:38
  spearhead from space fucking terrifying.
• 1:16:40
  Imagine going to your front door.
• 1:16:42
  All right, and seeing another Tobey.
• 1:16:44
  Hey do. Eddie Frasier Pete.
• 1:16:46
  Stay at backyard. His hands around your throat.
• 1:16:49
  Like I just, I think all the things you say at are true that
• 1:16:53
  shot and feel, beautiful wonderful Direction, a brilliant
• 1:16:57
  part, we just Nails it straight out the park, but this is the
• 1:17:01
  scariest Doctor Who's story for me and that's why I were putting
• 1:17:04
  it through. I think is chilling.
• 1:17:07
  But when you talk about things that are stolen from it, I think
• 1:17:10
  it's fair to point out that if anyone has seen Counter-Strike,
• 1:17:13
  the 1969 series starring John Finch, which was aired months
• 1:17:17
  before, spearhead from space, and has got an alien in, a
• 1:17:21
  hospital and and driving around in a flashcard.
• 1:17:24
  You there's a lot of Counter-Strike in spearhead from
• 1:17:29
  space. I have to say, It's not like
• 1:17:32
  Doctor Who Nick from start but this is like, for me.
• 1:17:36
  Next door neighbor. It is scary.
• 1:17:40
  That isn't it? Oh, it's great.
• 1:17:41
  Yeah, it's great. Just before move on then and
• 1:17:45
  Eddie I believe you want to talk to about some exploding arsenals
• 1:17:48
  or something. Like he's lucky.
• 1:17:50
  I barely remember that. When I was walking to college
• 1:17:56
  and back, I was listening to those episodes and I just
• 1:18:01
  talking about x-rated episodes Aggie, are you sure you don't
• 1:18:06
  want your podcast catcher? Well, it does look a little bit
• 1:18:09
  like prolapse so let's be honest.
• 1:18:11
  Now sticking up against that glass.
• 1:18:16
  Yeah. Have you just said I went and
• 1:18:28
  immediately messaged Joe and said, you might just ruined
• 1:18:30
  that. For me, tell me you did a Google
• 1:18:32
  the word prolapse. Up now, don't do it now for the
• 1:18:40
  biology examples, moving on then.
• 1:18:43
  So Spearhead from space is our first story to go through.
• 1:18:48
  Toby here would you like to pick the Second Story?
• 1:18:52
  We're going to discuss our first of all, sorry.
• 1:18:57
  I missed it just on a visual guide for the podcast, right?
• 1:19:03
  But my chair with an eyepatch. Oh I didn't have an eye patch.
• 1:19:08
  I just put my hand over my eye, but needs must.
• 1:19:10
  When I was, I thought I would be told to about death, but I think
• 1:19:14
  I've talked about that in every single Way possible.
• 1:19:18
  So happy to talk about in burn, let me think, right?
• 1:19:22
  In Ferno. This was the one I wasn't
• 1:19:24
  expecting to talk about Inferno is a stone cold Doctor Who
• 1:19:28
  classic what are the things? There is a slight caveat that I
• 1:19:33
  think it would be even better. Had Douglas Campfield made it to
• 1:19:36
  the end of the production. I do feel that he has some kind
• 1:19:42
  of ability to invest things with a grittiness and an atmosphere
• 1:19:48
  and a, and a plausibility without you necessarily putting
• 1:19:51
  your finger on exactly how he does it, it's just something to
• 1:19:54
  do with the way that he wields, the camera in the way that he
• 1:19:57
  deals with his actors. And I know Barry.
• 1:19:59
  Let's worked off his camera Scripts. as much as he could,
• 1:20:03
  but I feel the last episode in particular.
• 1:20:06
  Inferno is a lit. I think Inferno Peaks, at the
• 1:20:09
  end of episode 6 and I think episode 7 is a little bit of a
• 1:20:15
  damp squib but that's okay because there's no right way of
• 1:20:19
  telling a story. And there's no right way of
• 1:20:21
  peaking and doing a Doctor Who and sometimes a story relies on
• 1:20:25
  the fact that it's plot is twisty turning to the end and
• 1:20:27
  sometimes it relies to the fact it's got no plot whatsoever but
• 1:20:29
  is is done is made very well and it's exciting and distracting
• 1:20:33
  from that. So a story is, is more than the
• 1:20:35
  sum of its its parts. But I think the reason Inferno
• 1:20:39
  is just Stone Cold classic is because well let's face it.
• 1:20:43
  Well actually the headline news when I was a time taught was
• 1:20:48
  that the alternative universe is where in Ferno really comes
• 1:20:52
  alive and the alternative Universe stuff is really good.
• 1:20:54
  It's, you know, it's almost a cheap fascists are easy to make
• 1:20:58
  exciting and scary because of the iconography because actors
• 1:21:02
  like playing them because they as Mitchell webpoint.
• 1:21:04
  They, you know, they wear their costumes, but actually, when I
• 1:21:08
  first watched in Ferno, I was hugely surprised by how strong.
• 1:21:13
  This stuff outside of the fascist storyline is.
• 1:21:17
  So that's going to be my number one.
• 1:21:18
  It's gonna be the surprise. I watched episode, I've watched
• 1:21:22
  episode one of this about three or four times recently because
• 1:21:25
  I'd watched it just because I was in the mood to and then dear
• 1:21:28
  old Christopher Benjamin died and so I watched it again after
• 1:21:31
  after he died and I loved his performance in it as the lovely
• 1:21:37
  sir Keith. But I love all that stuff in
• 1:21:39
  episode 1, all that scene setting where so Keith comes in
• 1:21:43
  being reasonable and, and, and Starman is really, really testy.
• 1:21:47
  And then Greg comes in and he's a bit of an ass with with Petra,
• 1:21:52
  but but everyone still quite polite to each other and and I
• 1:21:57
  like the way that sir Keith introduces Greg to proceeding
• 1:22:02
  and I love Greek Sutton, I think Greg Sutton's great, I think
• 1:22:05
  Derek new is absolutely fantastic.
• 1:22:06
  He's a real sort of hero type. That Doctor Who sometimes needs.
• 1:22:12
  Are you love it? When it comes in that door like
• 1:22:14
  right near the end of the story, leshore opens the door and it
• 1:22:18
  just goes, hello. He's so sure of himself.
• 1:22:23
  Of. But he's great at the really
• 1:22:25
  sort of gritty. We're all gonna die and this is.
• 1:22:28
  Yeah, and you and standing up to the authority and all of that.
• 1:22:32
  He's brilliant. Derek knew I had quite a tricky
• 1:22:35
  life, poor Chap. And and he did see real action
• 1:22:38
  in the war. So he, you know, everything or
• 1:22:41
  two about dangerous situations but yeah, he's a great actor,
• 1:22:46
  great actor. It's a Wonderful cast, It's a
• 1:22:48
  Wonderful cast, but I think actually the, the story, The
• 1:22:54
  received wisdom when I was young, that the story became a
• 1:22:56
  classic because at the, the fascist bit added to it, might
• 1:23:01
  be true. But actually, I think it the
• 1:23:03
  story itself is strong enough that then the extra Dimension
• 1:23:07
  given to it by those Middle episodes.
• 1:23:09
  Is what is, is icing on a, on a cake that was already rather
• 1:23:13
  Splendid. So yeah, the bit the bits that
• 1:23:17
  nobody talks about will be my number one of the the first bit
• 1:23:21
  because it's sets up. So, Rudely the, the infected
• 1:23:25
  Walter Randall. And then, and that brilliant.
• 1:23:29
  Bit, we talked in about spearhead about the, the
• 1:23:32
  meteorite seen outside, well, as a scene between the doctor and
• 1:23:36
  the Brigadier that doesn't need to be on filming Inferno where
• 1:23:39
  they're just standing Atop The Country.
• 1:23:40
  Talking about Krakatoa and that goes completely against what I
• 1:23:44
  said about spearhead from space actually is that that scene
• 1:23:47
  really benefits from being on film?
• 1:23:50
  Maybe it wouldn't have benefited if it was inside but the fact
• 1:23:54
  that it's on the Gantry and and just the the augmentation of the
• 1:23:58
  soundtrack with that sort of slightly Ambient sound music and
• 1:24:01
  and the way that the Courtney and John put we do, it is
• 1:24:05
  superb. So yeah.
• 1:24:10
  The bit. So I'll do the bits that nobody
• 1:24:11
  talks about the the opening installments before we get to to
• 1:24:16
  fascists Phil. Then I will talk about.
• 1:24:22
  Well, I I have to talk about the That, that wonderful.
• 1:24:32
  A staple of Science Fiction that we've become so used to when an
• 1:24:37
  American series, wants to give it regulars a chance to play
• 1:24:40
  bisexual as lesbian versions of the themselves.
• 1:24:44
  And, you know, as a cricket fan I love leather and Willow or she
• 1:24:51
  is in the in the Buffy ones and made.
• 1:24:56
  There's a nasty major Kira. Isn't there in the Deep Space?
• 1:24:59
  Nine tender. Yeah, they all yeah.
• 1:25:01
  So we've seen all of that, but here, it's it's fresh, it's
• 1:25:06
  unusual. The actors all, do it very well.
• 1:25:09
  And I actually like the fact that throughout it, it maintains
• 1:25:16
  that there's a bit of nurture their Shaping the nature and
• 1:25:21
  that in that Liz is actually a decent and a reasoned person.
• 1:25:25
  And I love it when she turns on the Brigade leader at the end.
• 1:25:27
  Who's whose power is all there because it's been in invested in
• 1:25:30
  him, not because he's a particularly powerful man and
• 1:25:33
  actually shows that the Brigadier is perhaps nicer than
• 1:25:36
  he might need to be in our world because he could be the bad
• 1:25:40
  version of himself. So it's a it actually shines a
• 1:25:42
  light back on our Brigadier. It's not saying oh he's our
• 1:25:45
  Brigadier is a nasty person. Who's just been civilized by
• 1:25:48
  what's around him. It's it's actually that he's
• 1:25:51
  he's our world is allowed him to be as brought out the best in
• 1:25:56
  him. If you like and that that world
• 1:25:58
  brings out the absolute worst in him.
• 1:26:00
  And that that approach to civilization that can make
• 1:26:03
  monsters of us all. And it's a really interesting
• 1:26:06
  philosophical exercise. That provides also with some
• 1:26:10
  great Staples of action adventure.
• 1:26:11
  And I and I think the Brigade leaders sort of fraying as, as
• 1:26:14
  the world starts to end and he loses his authority is, is Is is
• 1:26:20
  really, really good. So, yeah, the alternative World
• 1:26:24
  stuff, which also gives us two of the best Cliffhangers that
• 1:26:27
  the countdown one, where the countdown actually carries on
• 1:26:30
  into the closing sequence and the, the prime more fist through
• 1:26:34
  the window. And then, of course, the
• 1:26:35
  Cliffhanger, where they all die. Because that's, that's the end
• 1:26:39
  of it and they do all die and we love them.
• 1:26:41
  We love Greg and Petra and Elizabeth, and they all get
• 1:26:46
  killed. And that's really great.
• 1:26:48
  And I like Doctor Who being real, I absolutely buy that Dr.
• 1:26:53
  Needs to be light and frothy and fantasy and SD and all.
• 1:26:56
  But, but because so much of Doctor Who is like that when
• 1:27:00
  Doctor Who has has stories where they go, no, we're just gonna
• 1:27:02
  make this really Grim. I love it and because it makes
• 1:27:06
  the child in me, feel all grown up, which is what the child in
• 1:27:08
  me. Wanted to be now, as a grown up,
• 1:27:10
  I probably actually looked to then reconnect the stuff that
• 1:27:13
  makes me feel childish, but but it was, it was really helpful to
• 1:27:16
  me as a youngster, especially as I lived in a world where to was
• 1:27:20
  not Take it seriously and was seen as Daft and silly and two,
• 1:27:23
  fantastic. I was able to if anybody had
• 1:27:26
  come around to my house for me to show them, but I was able to
• 1:27:28
  know if somebody walks in when I'm watching this, they will be
• 1:27:31
  turned, they will become a doctor before.
• 1:27:34
  We all think I used to put that as well.
• 1:27:36
  You know, the Primal is gonna be on screen.
• 1:27:39
  Yeah, the prime odds, not. Yeah.
• 1:27:42
  There is there is the transformation of Benton where
• 1:27:46
  he looks straight to camera with his painted.
• 1:27:47
  Nose is a rare Campfield misjudgment alas, that's walks
• 1:27:52
  in every time. But I mean, I would have seen on
• 1:27:56
  pause waiting for somebody to and then I would for when
• 1:28:00
  somebody like my mum and my brother walked in in order that
• 1:28:02
  they catch a particularly good scene of something, and then
• 1:28:04
  tell me that they were always wrong and I was right in the
• 1:28:07
  doctor was marvelous. It never worked.
• 1:28:09
  I did it. Never worked for me, but then I
• 1:28:14
  always pause it on. No, not the mind probe I was at
• 1:28:20
  Survival. I don't know why when I was
• 1:28:21
  approached by all those, you know, sexy twinx.
• 1:28:24
  I don't know why. I just kept rewinding up here
• 1:28:27
  wave my mom's. Why did you keep me?
• 1:28:30
  Yeah. All right. who in the gym
• 1:28:37
  bunnies and my third and final thing about Inferno which I
• 1:28:44
  hadn't expected to talk about. Well, oh well I mean it's a,
• 1:28:51
  I'll be boring. It's the it's the cast and I
• 1:28:54
  include the regulars in. Oh, special mention to the
• 1:28:58
  stunts as well. Roy scammer falling off that
• 1:29:00
  that big isometer, but there is slightly no less impressive
• 1:29:05
  stunts where he Capers about as well.
• 1:29:07
  They're pretty damn good and kudos to jumper.
• 1:29:10
  We who was scared of heights but it's it's a and I don't feel
• 1:29:15
  that Olaf pulley gets talked about enough.
• 1:29:17
  I think he's absolutely terrific as a Starman, we, we used to
• 1:29:21
  those kinds of characters in Doctor Who, but I think he's a
• 1:29:24
  really plausible version of one and, and I guess we don't lump
• 1:29:28
  him in with the Mad bass commanders, all the or the Mad
• 1:29:31
  professors because he's not mad, he's a bit of a Rude word, but
• 1:29:36
  he's not mad. He's obstinate arrogant, and
• 1:29:38
  he's really believably. So he's not a sort of huffed up
• 1:29:42
  Larger than Life character in order to have a nemesis that can
• 1:29:45
  face off against doctor. I think he's really real, and,
• 1:29:48
  and all the more A dangerous because of it in a way because
• 1:29:54
  because I I think he's totally believable and Christopher
• 1:29:58
  Benjamin's lovely and in a, in a part that could could not work.
• 1:30:02
  I mean, so Keith on paper and could just be giving stolman
• 1:30:06
  back a lot of his, I don't understand why it is, but he
• 1:30:08
  catches it all in an absolute reasonableness that makes him
• 1:30:12
  delightful. And, yeah, Newark is fantastic,
• 1:30:14
  and, and the regulars. All do a fantastic job as well.
• 1:30:19
  It's, it's a classic. I do think the last episode.
• 1:30:25
  struggles to provide the code that the previous three episodes
• 1:30:30
  have. You know, because they've
• 1:30:33
  created such a large Shadow, but it does not really come off
• 1:30:37
  after, oh, my goodness, it's quite really even though it does
• 1:30:41
  give the doctor, the beautiful moment of, you know, Free Will
• 1:30:43
  is, is not an illusion after all, which is, which is, which
• 1:30:47
  is lovely. But it does.
• 1:30:50
  It does slightly mean that it Peters out but nonetheless that.
• 1:30:56
  Yeah. And the prime odds aren't great
• 1:30:57
  but it, it doesn't matter so much of this is so brilliant.
• 1:31:02
  Douglas Canfield's direction is extraordinary that the minimal
• 1:31:06
  sparse sound score because actually the sound that we have,
• 1:31:11
  is the noise of Industry, the noise of Armageddon.
• 1:31:16
  It's, it's an onslaught of sound, but not much incidental
• 1:31:19
  music, which is unusual. And, and really adds to the
• 1:31:22
  atmosphere, the fact that everyone's sweating again and
• 1:31:25
  it's not a heatwave, it's just because we're plunging into, you
• 1:31:29
  know, heat death. It's just those that extra sort
• 1:31:33
  of bit of attention to detail. I'd like some of the smoke that
• 1:31:37
  comes out of the pipes to see the come out, just a little bit
• 1:31:40
  faster, the Primal to have to sort of wander into it.
• 1:31:43
  It's it's magnificent. It's it's Absolutely terrific.
• 1:31:49
  And I will keep Inferno what you were saying about the sound
• 1:31:54
  there. I don't know, never quite gets
• 1:31:56
  to the bottom of what happened between Dudley Simpson and
• 1:32:00
  Douglas Campfield. But For whatever reason, he
• 1:32:04
  stopped using him. All of those stories are more
• 1:32:07
  interesting or really because other people are using stop
• 1:32:11
  music in this, isn't it? Yes, yeah, really effective stop
• 1:32:14
  music. Dear stock music isn't it?
• 1:32:16
  Is it the, I think it's so alien.
• 1:32:19
  Last use of an entirely of a, of a stock music soundtrack.
• 1:32:25
  It's the last time who does not have an incidental, You know,
• 1:32:30
  incidental School Kids, Dental School?
• 1:32:35
  Well, there you go. Listeners at home.
• 1:32:36
  We don't just do you jokes. We inform us as we go as well.
• 1:32:40
  So Oh, and David Simeon, who plays private Latimer who comes
• 1:32:47
  back as Alastair Fergus. His landlord, was Neil Wilson,
• 1:32:51
  who plays Sam Sealy, in spearhead from space, and his
• 1:32:56
  best friend or was Nigel Neil, who wrote quite a mass know more
• 1:33:02
  about him. There is a book out from 10 acre
• 1:33:06
  films. Oh wait, a mass experiment and
• 1:33:08
  of course, the big brother face in alternative Earth is Jack
• 1:33:13
  Kain. Who was one of the two heads of
• 1:33:15
  the BBC visual effects Department, which was founded in
• 1:33:18
  the furnace of creativity, that was quite a mess and 1984.
• 1:33:23
  And those shows going on in the 50s and Jack kind of Bernard
• 1:33:27
  Wilkie, were key members of the Equator Master team, who you can
• 1:33:31
  read all about in the future of volumes of my creative massager.
• 1:33:36
  I didn't make those scary ass aliens to die.
• 1:33:38
  In that capsule. We are surrounded by all the
• 1:33:40
  cobwebs. Did they make those?
• 1:33:42
  Yes they did. Oh Jack kind design those oh yes
• 1:33:45
  Jack kind design those and build them.
• 1:33:47
  Yeah he's not just a Sinister facing know.
• 1:33:52
  Right. So let's go to the viewers
• 1:33:56
  comments. Oh good, Atrium berries says,
• 1:34:01
  listen to that. That's the sound of this planet.
• 1:34:03
  Screaming out its Rage. That's why we're grateful
• 1:34:07
  jumper. He does it Inferno for the win?
• 1:34:11
  All smile comes in with my favorite of an incredible
• 1:34:14
  season. I cannot find any false
• 1:34:17
  whatsoever, the performance of the entire Caster stunning.
• 1:34:20
  The prime odds look suitably creepy.
• 1:34:23
  The ending of episode 6 is one of the greatest ever Mark, never
• 1:34:26
  sent the ultimate Nemesis. Michael storms, says, Stone Cold
• 1:34:32
  classic, which admittedly utilizes its seven episodes.
• 1:34:35
  Which admirably utilizes its seven episodes Starman is very
• 1:34:40
  recognizable. Character superbly played by
• 1:34:42
  Olaf pulley let's say how many people mention him to be in
• 1:34:45
  these comments is the great. Is this the greatest part we
• 1:34:48
  ever got? Why is Lee the parallel universe
• 1:34:51
  character? Is aren't played as evil offices
• 1:34:53
  of their counterparts? Are they not?
• 1:34:55
  Okay. Eddie, if you can just cover
• 1:34:59
  your ears for this one, you might not like it.
• 1:35:01
  Okay. A brilliant and to a brilliant
• 1:35:16
  season promises and delivers the end of the world, by the
• 1:35:20
  parallel universe, power universe is brilliant padding,
• 1:35:23
  we have to have two episodes in our world to meet the characters
• 1:35:27
  and see how they're different. The cost creates two versions of
• 1:35:30
  their characters. Attention filled filled filled
• 1:35:33
  Masterpiece that I've loved since they originally sold on
• 1:35:35
  PBS. Nice to see other fans
• 1:35:37
  appreciation for it growing in the last two decades.
• 1:35:40
  Keep it. Other fans I thought this was
• 1:35:43
  always considered a. Yeah.
• 1:35:44
  Dave Rennie says for me Inferno is a masterpiece it's per weeks,
• 1:35:50
  best story and it doesn't get more adult than the world really
• 1:35:54
  doesn't in this one. Plus I love parallel Earth
• 1:35:57
  stories as a chance to see characters in new lights and
• 1:36:00
  boy. Do we?
• 1:36:03
  Jason Thompson, or was one for a short comment, says long been a
• 1:36:06
  favorite of mine. This doctor who does a disaster
• 1:36:08
  movie on a baby sea budget, and does it damn?
• 1:36:10
  Well, episode's five and six of amazingly tense and that final
• 1:36:14
  shot of the lava approaching his horrific because, you know,
• 1:36:16
  these characters are not getting out of a horrible death.
• 1:36:19
  Next week, this should have dropped that last shot of Benton
• 1:36:22
  with the comedy fangs in the transformation sequence though,
• 1:36:25
  because without that, it's actually quite good.
• 1:36:28
  Keep you see how we all know that I'll be about the fangs,
• 1:36:31
  David GP? We've all had that moment we've
• 1:36:35
  got. Ah, no, it was so good until
• 1:36:37
  then Inferno. Compared to the other previous
• 1:36:40
  three stories is quite static. We spend the whole story two
• 1:36:44
  versions of in the same location actually compared to ambassadors
• 1:36:48
  of death. It really is but directly with
• 1:36:50
  such Flair, that is full of tension.
• 1:36:52
  But people who say classic who is an emotional, look at the
• 1:36:55
  doctor stricken with Jill and near panic in episode 7.
• 1:36:59
  Yeah. Look Sims Jenkins, says it's up.
• 1:37:04
  There has been one of my fear of Doctor Who stories ever all have
• 1:37:07
  poorly. Is the ultimate guy in charge,
• 1:37:09
  you just want to punch in the face.
• 1:37:10
  I love the characters so many good lines and one of the
• 1:37:15
  greatest Cliff hangers ever with episode 4, The goat.
• 1:37:20
  There are minus 10 seconds. Oh I love it just explained to
• 1:37:24
  be the goat means is a goat, it's the greatest of all time.
• 1:37:28
  Ah now I've seen that on Twitter, people saying good but
• 1:37:32
  I never knew what it meant. I thought it meant stubborn for
• 1:37:34
  quite a long time in Illinois. What's Travis call?
• 1:37:41
  Silver Star? Don't you know the greatest of
• 1:37:46
  all time that way Eddie already know Eddie's just shaking his
• 1:37:50
  head and despair with us now you know one hand so you're hanging
• 1:37:54
  out with old people all right? Yeah yeah I don't speak acronym.
• 1:37:59
  I'm sorry. Mean well I speak fluent
• 1:38:02
  acronym, basically. Oh we'll come to you in the
• 1:38:05
  future and Daniel nice, is this is brilliant and brutal like
• 1:38:09
  caves and Genesis you wouldn't want it to be this Grim every
• 1:38:12
  week but it is Percy's. Finest Hour, John Courtney and
• 1:38:16
  Levine Excel as their fascist parallel world counterparts and
• 1:38:20
  the two directors turns attention up to 11 the primals.
• 1:38:24
  Look, both creepy and silly. yeah, that's and I hope I am
• 1:38:30
  pronouncing his name right after I said, so confident in
• 1:38:33
  spearhead but your most The consistent almost oppressive.
• 1:38:36
  Intensity gives an apocalyptic Vibe unmatched in history of the
• 1:38:40
  show. William previous in The Melody
• 1:38:42
  of sound design, and music. Concrete is inspired one of the
• 1:38:46
  Greeks John Holt, Inferno caps off this season, admirably and
• 1:38:50
  is never a bore the constant noise of the Drew head along
• 1:38:53
  with do you Ah along with Delia derbyshire's flatly tonal score
• 1:38:59
  unsettles. One from the style one, John
• 1:39:02
  Canfield's location filming is as always magnificent and the
• 1:39:06
  studio seems directed by Barry. Let's ask seamless.
• 1:39:11
  Okay. Right, you can uncover your ears
• 1:39:14
  now. Eddie it's John Arnold.
• 1:39:16
  I would put my fondue spot Inferno down to it.
• 1:39:18
  Being the first pirate tape of who I saw.
• 1:39:22
  But let's face it. It's really an all time Bangor.
• 1:39:24
  So there you go. Now you can grab some for being
• 1:39:27
  here. Yes, you can keep that one.
• 1:39:30
  Keep that one for like blackmail purposes, Anthony Carroll says
• 1:39:36
  great cars, great alternative world and Relentless how many
• 1:39:40
  fire extinguishers are there on that base?
• 1:39:42
  And who tested them? I'm not out of 10.
• 1:39:47
  Pretty sure other didn't get tested back in those days but
• 1:39:51
  never mind Paul cresa. One of my favorite Doctor, Who
• 1:39:54
  stories really tense and excitement, and a red glimpse of
• 1:39:57
  what happens when the doctor doesn't see if the day and avoid
• 1:40:00
  and the reset switch resolution. However, watched in context, the
• 1:40:04
  first two episodes, just feel like an extension to ambassadors
• 1:40:07
  and get a bit tedious boy. Matt.
• 1:40:11
  Oh, he says a fishing, and such a strong season, parallel world
• 1:40:15
  some 1984 Vibes, Courtney, John, and you know, believer, Paul.
• 1:40:20
  Okay, I'm here. This a lot.
• 1:40:22
  Filling an alternative versions of themselves.
• 1:40:25
  Wonderful Direction, guest cast, writing an atmosphere Pertwee is
• 1:40:29
  fantastic here, maybe his finest Hour, quite a few people have
• 1:40:31
  said that interesting. Okay.
• 1:40:36
  Okay. Gareth bully.
• 1:40:38
  Oh marginally duller than ambassadors, it has the goal to
• 1:40:43
  tell the same story, twice over tedious, alternative reality
• 1:40:48
  story, where nothing really matters. oh, Gareth James hadwin
• 1:40:53
  Bennett on the other hand says though, I don't buy the parallel
• 1:40:56
  world, the atmosphere and drama keeps it wrestling along
• 1:40:59
  outstanding, stunt work. A real sense of total doom and
• 1:41:03
  some staggeringly good Cliffhangers.
• 1:41:04
  We need a whole season long parallel, world of this
• 1:41:07
  atmosphere ASAP, keep for sure. Oh, this is gonna test the vocal
• 1:41:15
  cords. It's Oscar Groucho.
• 1:41:17
  Star Trek's mirror parachuted into the middle of a Rod,
• 1:41:20
  Sterling ecological fearful. Primordial makeup is not aged.
• 1:41:23
  Well, reminded me eerily of an unshaven.
• 1:41:26
  Bob Mortimer occasion. But the premise allows our
• 1:41:29
  regulars to put in their best performance of the season.
• 1:41:32
  I would agree that the alternative Soldier is where the
• 1:41:35
  port finally gets his handle on her.
• 1:41:37
  Exactly. His doctor is Forces, survive
• 1:41:40
  and uncertain terrain, where everything is going to hell.
• 1:41:43
  The moral indignation and empathy comes to the fore good
• 1:41:47
  but uneven. Daniel rules says it's the end
• 1:41:53
  of the world as we know it and the doctor doesn't feel fine.
• 1:41:56
  Oh, I'm not going to sing. It contains the most exciting
• 1:41:59
  build-up structure since the war games and cements the evil
• 1:42:02
  companion outing as a doctor who tradition, which will live on
• 1:42:05
  deservedly into the future. What does this mean?
• 1:42:09
  Why does that say evil Dan voice?
• 1:42:13
  Record. Why evil down for us there?
• 1:42:20
  Good. I don't know.
• 1:42:24
  Have you not seen all the clips? I've seen a few on a much of a
• 1:42:29
  life already, but not watch all of them on the on tiktok because
• 1:42:33
  we're too old for that. No, it's no, it's YouTube and
• 1:42:35
  twisted mostly. Oh, Right, Paul done.
• 1:42:40
  Well, you're there, folks. Paul Dunn says a clever way to
• 1:42:42
  spin story out telling it twice until universes.
• 1:42:45
  Everyone, clearly, relishes, their duel rules all have poorly
• 1:42:49
  steals. The show.
• 1:42:50
  Bettens transformation is slightly comical, but overall, a
• 1:42:53
  fantastic end to a strong season.
• 1:42:54
  That's three mentions of our life.
• 1:42:56
  Probably Arthur says this. The last comment here, my first
• 1:43:01
  viewing of Inferno was as a young lad in the early 90s, it
• 1:43:05
  was the infamous ABC bootleg. I was blown away by its
• 1:43:09
  repressive, Doom, Laden tone and it's still has that same power
• 1:43:13
  today. But what I watched all the time,
• 1:43:15
  but if I'm in the right mood, nothing else comes close.
• 1:43:19
  It. Yeah, it is one of those ones
• 1:43:21
  where it's a bit, like a wine. You know, you've got to save a
• 1:43:24
  rich, you've got to, you know, it's not like a it's not like a
• 1:43:27
  session beer that you can just chalk down.
• 1:43:29
  If I had my time again, I think I probably because it's always
• 1:43:31
  boring when I mention the cast because I've always is that, I
• 1:43:34
  actually the tone of it is probably would probably be my
• 1:43:37
  third thing that I'd replace. I just think it's, it's so
• 1:43:41
  unique in that sense. And what I was trying to explain
• 1:43:44
  about the difference between camfields and that's, there's a
• 1:43:46
  brilliant bit in part one, when Walter Randall touches the green
• 1:43:49
  slime, and it burns him and you get a bit of smoke, shoot out of
• 1:43:54
  that lovely bit of attention. Which then when later on,
• 1:43:56
  they're all covering themselves and you don't get now, obviously
• 1:43:59
  it would be harder to do when you putting on the face is to
• 1:44:01
  get smoke coming out but it's just that little attention to
• 1:44:04
  detail in part one that you don't get later on that.
• 1:44:06
  That I think just is the difference between Campfield,
• 1:44:12
  and let's see. And as a say, maybe Campfield
• 1:44:14
  wouldn't be able to do that in the later ones, but it's
• 1:44:16
  emblematic of the slight shift and the fact that the the wall
• 1:44:20
  is burnt, when, when Walter Randall slides, off it, and that
• 1:44:24
  sort of thing, there's lovely little bits of attention to
• 1:44:26
  detail, and I never mention enough that the leads because I
• 1:44:30
  take them for granted Peart, we was not An experienced actor,
• 1:44:34
  really? He was a, he was a voicemail.
• 1:44:36
  He was a comic his first time really properly doing drama in a
• 1:44:41
  TV studio as doctor in the silurians.
• 1:44:42
  He was not used to acting drama on television in the way that
• 1:44:46
  any of us at the other doctors really were and his performance.
• 1:44:50
  In this is fabulous when he's under the Cosh in the
• 1:44:53
  alternative world and I think, you know, but we does sometimes
• 1:44:57
  struggle to be as good. An actor, he's a brilliant
• 1:44:59
  doctor, he's a brilliant presence, and he's a brilliant
• 1:45:01
  leading man, but in terms of as an actor, I think sometimes he
• 1:45:04
  is overshadowed by by some of the other doctors, but he's got
• 1:45:07
  so many other innate qualities that it doesn't matter.
• 1:45:09
  But actually in this, I think he's a damn good actor too.
• 1:45:12
  Yes, sir. I just wanted to because I
• 1:45:14
  missed all of that out in my previous stuttering monologue,
• 1:45:18
  you should know what I did. Forgotten that you had a short
• 1:45:21
  list and read out the entirely things and oh, I did 25 for some
• 1:45:32
  tour. Strip that run away.
• 1:45:35
  Just four guys for certain stories that's coming up in a
• 1:45:39
  minute. Okay, Eddie Eddie Eddie are you
• 1:45:44
  gonna put this one through or you're gonna bin it?
• 1:45:48
  I've got a few interesting things I could say about it.
• 1:45:50
  Go on, then right, I've got so many things I could say that for
• 1:45:54
  like, obviously, there's like the Beautiful film shots with
• 1:45:58
  the primals outside when it's all going to hell essentially
• 1:46:01
  really like that. I'm just gonna say the one thing
• 1:46:07
  that I really didn't like is like the Omnibus Edition that
• 1:46:11
  they just did for the collection box at recently.
• 1:46:13
  I've not watched it why it's fat.
• 1:46:16
  They cut out all the flat or like the flash forward to the
• 1:46:19
  normal Universe. Like it's just go from the main
• 1:46:25
  menu, but straight to the power wielding keeps it and back, and
• 1:46:28
  it just cuts out so much stuff. I think would be essential to
• 1:46:32
  keep in. What I remember reading in
• 1:46:35
  Doctor, Who magazine about the boxes that they couldn't find a
• 1:46:38
  way to cut down, ambassadors for Omniverse because apparently,
• 1:46:42
  quote, unquote, it's too perfect.
• 1:46:44
  I think they just couldn't cut it down.
• 1:46:50
  They couldn't cut it down because it's just got almost
• 1:46:54
  everything's essential to know what's going on.
• 1:46:58
  Yeah, you got me thinking, they could have done.
• 1:47:00
  I'll just cut out all the parallel world stuff and then it
• 1:47:02
  just turns up at a complete panic and tells them all to
• 1:47:08
  switch it off. No reason.
• 1:47:09
  And I've had a dream. Yeah.
• 1:47:13
  Say what, what I said about it in in the video I gave it with
• 1:47:18
  2025 Universe Edition cuts out way too much.
• 1:47:21
  The main will compare this shells in favor of only showing
• 1:47:24
  the alternate world. So learning of the monsters
• 1:47:26
  weaknesses, cut a post, ultimate will pass his cut and a bit of
• 1:47:31
  the ending was cut as well. The originals, absolutely
• 1:47:34
  brilliant, but the cut down just way too much and kills
• 1:47:37
  attention, quite a bit. Still able to make so.
• 1:47:40
  Yeah, and gonna sometimes you buy documentation so it
• 1:47:43
  literally takes out plot details.
• 1:47:45
  Yeah. Take like, I don't remember
• 1:47:48
  there being like, Oh, five, things just killed and I don't
• 1:47:52
  remember that part being here, then I'm pretty sure.
• 1:47:55
  Yeah, they just cut out the whole part of him being in the
• 1:47:58
  comment. Oh, really wasn't impressed with
• 1:48:02
  it. Well, she'll be watching that
• 1:48:04
  but I quite enjoyed the The Omnibus version I'm not gonna
• 1:48:10
  lie, I think or perverse like that right?
• 1:48:12
  Well I I thought it flowed a lot better, I think couldn't The
• 1:48:15
  Flash, keep coming back to the alternate World, it kind of kept
• 1:48:20
  the the tension going and I kept the The momentum of that plot of
• 1:48:26
  you know that the world is duped now.
• 1:48:28
  So you know there's no let-up in the Omnibus you know you're not
• 1:48:32
  kind of skipping back just to see.
• 1:48:33
  And so Keith and his car and Skip forward again it's just
• 1:48:38
  Builds and builds and builds. I think that that element worked
• 1:48:41
  well. But, you know, there is, there's
• 1:48:43
  a lot of sort of action that's lost.
• 1:48:44
  And I think I believe voice commands Infamous fall as lost
• 1:48:49
  and know what from that Tower. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:48:54
  I mean I could be wrong. You know, I watched I watched
• 1:48:58
  the long version then I watched on the bus later.
• 1:49:00
  So you know my memory is not what it used to be.
• 1:49:02
  So it might be in there but I think, you know, that kind of
• 1:49:04
  stuck out of something that Well, why did you cut that?
• 1:49:07
  It's yeah, doctor ever. We'll get there.
• 1:49:13
  We'll get there. And yeah.
• 1:49:14
  Anyhow carry on one. Yeah.
• 1:49:17
  Say I think it's like if I'm just going off that almost going
• 1:49:25
  to do. Another thing, is this something
• 1:49:27
  I was discussing true when I was thinking, oh, what could I do to
• 1:49:30
  make things more interesting? And what I said was like, I
• 1:49:33
  could make things more interesting by judging it, the
• 1:49:35
  entire season, just based off of what the shores.
• 1:49:38
  Hairstyles, like, change it up, basically, every episode.
• 1:49:43
  I'm gonna be honest, I really don't like it here so I didn't
• 1:49:46
  know that, which one evil, the normal one, the normal one, the
• 1:49:51
  parallel universe one is good, but I'm an account Normal
• 1:49:53
  University here that hairstyle sucks, I'm sorry, go come on
• 1:49:58
  that week. She's wearing the parallel
• 1:50:00
  universe is something else. Yeah, that's good but Just that
• 1:50:04
  normal hairstyle. Just throws me off.
• 1:50:06
  I don't like it or not it this story because you don't like
• 1:50:10
  this short hair. Are you?
• 1:50:12
  I was like that. I could do that.
• 1:50:14
  Just based off of here. I've paid off that and the only
• 1:50:19
  person, How about I? Just make things more
• 1:50:21
  interesting and been it. Oh yeah.
• 1:50:26
  Oh wow, I mean did he just everything went through?
• 1:50:32
  You heard the series for one, did you?
• 1:50:39
  And see who's 20 young to see the ones that I don't know.
• 1:50:45
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:50:46
  Okay, so that's one through one in the bin.
• 1:50:49
  Okay, so well I'm going to continue the theme of keeping
• 1:50:53
  things. Interesting, in that case, so
• 1:50:56
  listeners at home, this is what you need to do.
• 1:50:58
  Now, you need to imagine that the shiny tin foil special
• 1:51:02
  effect is sweeping across. The screen is way of talking and
• 1:51:05
  revealing Toby, hero is still sat there with his eye.
• 1:51:08
  Patch on Eddie has now got a very severe haircut that he
• 1:51:12
  doesn't approve of. I am now more hairy and more
• 1:51:15
  drooling than ever before, but don't worry Pete and Drew or
• 1:51:18
  still in a very loving relationship.
• 1:51:20
  So, Let me now now that the scene is set.
• 1:51:24
  Thank you. Let me give you the three
• 1:51:31
  reasons why Inferno is schitt in his going in the bin.
• 1:51:35
  Are you for real number one? Oh, you are for real, okay, it's
• 1:51:40
  original. Is it Is it though?
• 1:51:44
  Really when you come to think about, I mean, if I said yeah,
• 1:51:46
  I'm watching a doctor who story where Doctor Who this short and
• 1:51:50
  Bessie find themselves in a beige scientific establishment
• 1:51:53
  ran by an overbearing administrator, which has a civil
• 1:51:57
  servant stuck between them and the doctor.
• 1:51:59
  And if he's a knight of the realm that really helps.
• 1:52:01
  And then, which story would I be talking about the silurians know
• 1:52:06
  how, anything, from season 5? That's from this?
• 1:52:09
  It could be, it could be the saloons.
• 1:52:11
  It could be Inferno. It could be the old pretty
• 1:52:14
  similar like that here, please. I'm not taking any season 5
• 1:52:20
  around these days. Yeah, the voice of listen to the
• 1:52:25
  voice of Youth. It's like poor Cresta said, you
• 1:52:29
  know, it's if you missed the stop the end of the ambassadors
• 1:52:32
  of death and missed the start of Inferno if you missed that open
• 1:52:36
  and credit. And you just came in.
• 1:52:38
  You would be forgiven for thinking you would just
• 1:52:41
  continue. Exactly, but you know, you, you
• 1:52:46
  would struggle to tell the difference coming in for know,
• 1:52:48
  because it is getting a bit. So you can see why Kevin let us
• 1:52:51
  know. We can't keep this going.
• 1:52:52
  We can't do this again. We need to stop changing it a
• 1:52:56
  bit more Colour, a bit more magic, a bit more Sparkle going
• 1:52:58
  in there, okay? I am second thing is
• 1:53:02
  unfortunately, this story isn't written by Markham Hulk.
• 1:53:06
  Because Markham Hulk is the King of the Seven part.
• 1:53:09
  I hear you writes the saloons in your rights.
• 1:53:11
  The ambassadors of death, which we've already established, is
• 1:53:14
  too good and too perfect and impossible to cut down any
• 1:53:18
  further than it is say, louisians can be cut down with
• 1:53:20
  Vernal, can be cut down and what are the reasons is?
• 1:53:24
  You know, hook isn't right next to the plot in is a little bit
• 1:53:27
  off. You know, it's parted to the
• 1:53:30
  hilt really, I mean, we talk about episode 6 what actually
• 1:53:33
  happens in episode 6. All that really happens is doggy
• 1:53:36
  camfields wife needs to change a fuse and the spent 25 minutes
• 1:53:39
  trying to do that. Literally the end of the world.
• 1:53:42
  It's literally the end of the world and everyone gets killed.
• 1:53:45
  Yeah. so, The rest you have that everyone.
• 1:53:57
  It's the sound of the podcast screaming out.
• 1:54:02
  What happened eventually? Charming family.
• 1:54:10
  It's fine to be, I won't feel the bullets.
• 1:54:12
  It's It. But yeah, it's just, you know,
• 1:54:15
  it's an episode of a change in a fuse to try and get the doctor
• 1:54:18
  back. It's, it's an idiot plot.
• 1:54:21
  It's an it because all the characters, all they do is spend
• 1:54:24
  seven weeks shouting. Each other about drilling.
• 1:54:27
  That's all I have everyone shouting each other about
• 1:54:30
  drilling and yeah, that's very from the Jeep as well.
• 1:54:32
  He just More than that. And it's it's everyone's just
• 1:54:42
  stood around good. Please stop the drilling.
• 1:54:44
  Well don't we stop the drilling. Yes, it's gonna kill the World's
• 1:54:46
  Gonna well actually, that guy's in charge.
• 1:54:49
  What? The one that's me and the goal
• 1:54:51
  of his face and locked himself away in the nuclear.
• 1:54:53
  But yeah, that's the guy who can't really stop it until he
• 1:54:56
  says, oh, but he's, he thought is he?
• 1:54:58
  Yes, it's good. Keep going for for three hours,
• 1:55:01
  please let that Yeah, it's just none of the characters.
• 1:55:08
  The worst one has to be perfectly.
• 1:55:10
  It has to be the doctor. Unfortunately, this is the start
• 1:55:13
  of the dick head doctor ERA. This is where sort of the charm
• 1:55:16
  kind of evaporate. And we all just left with the
• 1:55:19
  arrogance of Doctor Who and you know, the so many opportunities
• 1:55:24
  for him to actually put a stop and to starman's.
• 1:55:29
  Plan. But it doesn't because you just
• 1:55:31
  can't come out and just say the simple line of.
• 1:55:33
  Yeah, he's got the and he's got the micro circuit in his pocket.
• 1:55:36
  He's got to go empty, your pockets Professor.
• 1:55:38
  I'm going to try and get one over and you'll be a bit smug
• 1:55:41
  ass or, you know, it's in this this kind of this doctor leads
• 1:55:45
  more and, you know, Season 8 and I much prefer.
• 1:55:48
  The doctor will get early on in the season.
• 1:55:49
  How much prefer the one that's got bags of swagger and charm
• 1:55:52
  and spearhead. He is with his Shore at the
• 1:55:55
  start of episodes. He's stroking her face please,
• 1:55:57
  how lovely to see you. He is charismatic.
• 1:56:03
  What Lost Sea. You know that military idiot.
• 1:56:06
  Oh, bring it here. My dear fellow.
• 1:56:07
  Oh, I mean it's it's it is, I'm not gonna lie, it's fancy and
• 1:56:10
  all sort. And that's seasoned shouting at
• 1:56:12
  Nazis, and in the rest of it. But it's just now, I prefer the
• 1:56:15
  Doctor Who won. Okay.
• 1:56:17
  So those are my three reasons for putting in the bin.
• 1:56:21
  What we need to do now obviously is get the silver foil back.
• 1:56:26
  World at the cross. The street I will go in my hot
• 1:56:29
  content. I call it for a freezer, you
• 1:56:32
  want to keep it. So the three reasons because
• 1:56:37
  obviously, a man only a Madman or a young handsome child would
• 1:56:41
  want to Chuck in funeral in the bin.
• 1:56:45
  So three reasons why it's great. Well, you know, for all that
• 1:56:48
  problems with the plot that alternative version of me and
• 1:56:51
  the polar Universe mentioned, it is really well, written, isn't
• 1:56:54
  it? It's got so many good lines.
• 1:56:55
  Just we'll just quote with them all their, the planet screaming
• 1:56:59
  out its rage. The bullets on gonna, you know,
• 1:57:02
  you're not going to feel the bullets and all of it in certain
• 1:57:05
  intrigues. Suspend yeah, drama.
• 1:57:07
  It was reminds us of when Mark Hulk said to Kevin sticks, well,
• 1:57:12
  you know, the problem tenants with your stick and everything
• 1:57:13
  on Earth is you've only got two plots to tell, you've got mad
• 1:57:16
  site list and you've got healing evasion, and I think this sees
• 1:57:19
  and all the three, seven parts stores is 10, stickney's,
• 1:57:23
  fingers up the Muckle and seeing what bollocks to you.
• 1:57:25
  I'm gonna do that but not in the way that you've said.
• 1:57:28
  So yes, we've got the Mad site but you don't just get them out
• 1:57:30
  Saints. Get the two Madness we split.
• 1:57:32
  The polo universe is such, you know, if you gonna part pod
• 1:57:36
  well, pad with some actual flare in excitement, that's what the
• 1:57:41
  the Paula Universe. Does it really gives us that
• 1:57:42
  opportunity to see and What happens when the world isn't
• 1:57:47
  saved? And you know, it's It's such a
• 1:57:52
  clever twist and then gives the the characters, the actors so
• 1:57:58
  much to do, you know, you've spent what 20, weeks or
• 1:58:02
  something plain, plain the bigger play in this show and now
• 1:58:05
  you get to turn it around and you get to do some really
• 1:58:07
  exciting different with it. And both of them do such an
• 1:58:11
  interesting things. Nick Courtney Takes the Brigade
• 1:58:14
  leader, and we're thinking, you know, when Michael storm says
• 1:58:16
  not just playing the evil versions of themselves, it is a
• 1:58:19
  different version of Brigade of the Brigadier because the
• 1:58:22
  Brigadier has in a cowardly. Doesn't turn out to be weak and
• 1:58:24
  helpless in and you know, self-serve and like the Brigade
• 1:58:28
  that does when the chips are down at the end, you can't
• 1:58:31
  imagine the Brigadier doing that, you know.
• 1:58:33
  This sure is, you know, she didn't grow up to be a saint as
• 1:58:37
  she not grew up Nazi instead, and that's the kind of
• 1:58:40
  difference is there. So that's really clever.
• 1:58:41
  And the second reason why I'm going to keep it is the
• 1:58:44
  atmosphere. That's what tool be sort of
• 1:58:46
  mentioned. Just the whole feel of the thing
• 1:58:48
  from you know Campfield second off and you know conductors and
• 1:58:53
  get in the stock in it backing off.
• 1:59:00
  Stop it. And You know that that just adds
• 1:59:03
  so much tension and it's it's so flat and Eerie that music and it
• 1:59:07
  just adds something and you know just so downbeat and forbidden
• 1:59:14
  and doom ridden to the whole story then when you get to the
• 1:59:18
  parallel Earth and the shit hits the fan or the drill hits, the
• 1:59:21
  magma and everything starts explode, not Sheen, that goes
• 1:59:24
  over so and just gets redder and redder and redder you just see
• 1:59:28
  the world is getting hotter and hotter and hotter and you know
• 1:59:31
  it's just such a oblique tool. Down be ending, you know that
• 1:59:38
  Cliff hanging out the sword, six, you know where everyone you
• 1:59:40
  know the love is coming and you don't get a resolution at that
• 1:59:44
  Cliff at the resolution is just the doctor wake up on the floor.
• 1:59:46
  You don't even get the swirly. You don't get a chance to good.
• 1:59:49
  You just wakes up on the floor and say, wow, crap.
• 1:59:51
  It's worse when it's left to your imagination because my
• 1:59:54
  imagination can go quite far. Yeah, I don't care about you.
• 2:00:01
  But, you know it, it's so, third reason that is just the obvious
• 2:00:05
  one. It is the whole, you know, Paula
• 2:00:07
  World stuff, but I'm gonna twist that little bit and I'm gonna
• 2:00:09
  agree with with what to be said, is that you could take that
• 2:00:12
  parallel with stuff out, your pet, made a joke of it.
• 2:00:14
  Let's cut. Let's cut all the power words
• 2:00:16
  stuff out. You could actually make a really
• 2:00:18
  decent four pots story of what is cut from, you know, by just
• 2:00:22
  taking all the stuff out you could make a decent four part
• 2:00:25
  about stuff, you know, and sort of a little bit like a
• 2:00:29
  documentary though, wouldn't it? For no, no, I think it would
• 2:00:33
  honest if, you know, someone out there someone go and do it on
• 2:00:37
  the internet. You know, someone be clever with
• 2:00:38
  take. All the best bits out of info.
• 2:00:41
  Hit the polo Universe without give us a four-part edit.
• 2:00:45
  Or however long, it would be edit of, just our world of
• 2:00:49
  Inferno and see what it's like. And then I think it would still
• 2:00:52
  quite stand up quite well, to be honest.
• 2:00:53
  So yeah, 100%. I'm putting this through and,
• 2:00:56
  you know, and it's not your favorite of the Season.
• 2:00:59
  That one is still the be discussed, but I think it is a
• 2:01:02
  cracking story. And then we went back to the
• 2:01:04
  main University would have, a 15 minute Prelude to his actual
• 2:01:08
  points to make. Yeah, yes, you didn't bring us
• 2:01:12
  on yet to be concise Pete Lambert, is it in?
• 2:01:17
  For Noah? If you get asked me whether I
• 2:01:22
  hate it, you'd have to win for know because this is by 5th
• 2:01:26
  favorite Doctor Who story of all time and it's not my favorite
• 2:01:30
  story of this season. Um, as the end of the flipping
• 2:01:35
  world, and I used to proudly explain to simple Star Trek
• 2:01:41
  fans, the doctor who was better than stuck when I was, you know,
• 2:01:44
  12 or whatever, the doctor who was better than Star Trek
• 2:01:47
  because it's writers didn't use time, travel or parallel
• 2:01:50
  universes to give himself a cop out and an easy way out at the
• 2:01:52
  end and I would, but they just did it once and when they did
• 2:01:56
  it, that one time. And Wave the book at them,
• 2:01:57
  literally it was Inferno. And it's and it's so it's just
• 2:02:04
  so horrific and and you do not believe for a minute.
• 2:02:08
  Oh often in parallel world, things particularly 45 minutes,
• 2:02:12
  John want, you sort of you, leave the power of what the end
• 2:02:15
  and it's like you've sort of forget about those people.
• 2:02:17
  They're just figments but because you're with those people
• 2:02:20
  for such a long time and you get the doctor getting to know them
• 2:02:23
  and the doctor, put his reaching, so hard to find the
• 2:02:27
  version of the the good version of those people in there that
• 2:02:31
  You really start to care for them.
• 2:02:34
  I mean, and I love the comment that someone made earlier about
• 2:02:38
  it being they're not, just 2D evil versions, there's a bit of
• 2:02:42
  that but there's, there's not always a bit more to it.
• 2:02:45
  And the doctors clearly hoping you'll find that in the
• 2:02:47
  Brigadier and just can't, but he does find it in Liz.
• 2:02:50
  And I think this is Caroline, John's absolute tour de force
• 2:02:54
  that she creates this other version of Liz and and that
• 2:02:57
  there's that glimmer, it's in there and the doctor works with
• 2:03:00
  her. And at the end, she shoots the
• 2:03:02
  Brigadier dead because in order to make sure the world gets
• 2:03:06
  destroyed because the doctor is convinced her.
• 2:03:08
  It's Gonna Save another world that she's never heard of.
• 2:03:11
  And that she doesn't, she can't be certain really exists.
• 2:03:14
  Like she has faith in him. That's just incredible.
• 2:03:17
  Drama tragic. Pay is the Carolina.
• 2:03:21
  Sean Paul, the reasons of I think being fired walked away
• 2:03:25
  from Doctor Who thinking she'd done a bad job.
• 2:03:27
  It is. Yeah.
• 2:03:28
  And she's delivers this whole And it was such a, I mean, and I
• 2:03:33
  wish they just sat down and explained, you know, the real
• 2:03:35
  read they were they create accidentally created a show that
• 2:03:38
  didn't have anyone under the age of 30 in it, and it's like,
• 2:03:41
  what? Really?
• 2:03:41
  You're too good? You?
• 2:03:43
  Yeah. And for the first, but yeah, for
• 2:03:47
  the first time ever Dr. Who is so entirely about people in the
• 2:03:50
  30s and 40s, and they felt that needed fixing.
• 2:03:53
  And she was the, she was the the week, not weak me.
• 2:03:58
  She was the vulnerable one who could who could be switched out
• 2:04:01
  for a more trade assistant, I guess.
• 2:04:03
  But yeah. So it it's the only time that I
• 2:04:08
  really watched a parallel universe think and really cared
• 2:04:11
  as much about the people in the parallel Universal, they do back
• 2:04:13
  home. I think the American podcast,
• 2:04:18
  the old doctor, who showed they call her East berries and I love
• 2:04:22
  that. She's that's what she'll always
• 2:04:27
  be to be for now and Greg. That a romance could get a bit
• 2:04:33
  soppy, it borderlines on, you know, for me as a 12 year old,
• 2:04:36
  which I will always be when I'm watching Doctor, Who it could
• 2:04:39
  get a bit sloppy. But again, there's the
• 2:04:41
  desperation that we really alive, you know, and he's
• 2:04:44
  someone who's prepared to fight the fascism a bit anyway.
• 2:04:46
  So that all lands so well and I'll even go in a little bit a
• 2:04:51
  little bit. I was gonna waive a little
• 2:04:52
  flight for episode 7 because yes, we've had that conclusion.
• 2:04:55
  Did that main story is finished but I still remember the first
• 2:04:58
  time I saw episode 7, I still got caught up, is he gonna read
• 2:05:03
  the book and he was, but it is he gonna manage to make these
• 2:05:06
  people, not repeat the mistakes that we've all just seen.
• 2:05:08
  It doesn't take as well. We kind of know it won't but
• 2:05:11
  it's the end of the series. We don't know for certain how it
• 2:05:13
  if you put yourself in the mind of someone watching it for the
• 2:05:16
  first time, you don't know for certain how it's going to end
• 2:05:20
  out and there and it's a shame that Liz doesn't get an actual a
• 2:05:24
  traditional farewell scene. But she does get that same where
• 2:05:28
  the doctor says goodbye to her and goes off, you know, because
• 2:05:30
  he's leaving And and and that's, that is really well-written,
• 2:05:34
  very nice restatement of why these people are all friends.
• 2:05:38
  And, and the final thing is her smiling and happy and that,
• 2:05:42
  she's, they knew they were going out by the time they were
• 2:05:44
  filming it. I think, didn't?
• 2:05:45
  They did already been, I think it would already been decided
• 2:05:48
  she wasn't coming back by then. So I think she was shooting her
• 2:05:51
  last scene and it's it's warm and it's it's a yeah.
• 2:05:54
  After all of that, the six very harrowing weeks, it is a nice
• 2:05:58
  way of wrapping it up, even if it's it's not the climax of the
• 2:06:01
  story, but it's a, it's a good really nice coder to it.
• 2:06:06
  So I'll be shocked. I think I'm probably gonna keep
• 2:06:08
  this one thing. I've got a ticket in the
• 2:06:10
  keyboard, just it was just I was getting Jew.
• 2:06:20
  It's how you said. Sometimes you can't put your
• 2:06:24
  finger on why Douglas can't feel is as good as he is.
• 2:06:31
  I think I can and I think it's a scene transition in this story
• 2:06:34
  and it's the bit in episode 1 where the French comes down and
• 2:06:39
  then it goes, straight to that hammer back.
• 2:06:42
  In that nail in the wall. Yeah, he needs to and I'll tell
• 2:06:45
  you now this a ton of Doctor Who directors in classic Doctor Who
• 2:06:49
  and most of them, don't. Seen transition with that kind
• 2:06:55
  of detail. It does it in Daleks Mastermind?
• 2:06:58
  Doesn't it the Sun going into the Dalek Daria?
• 2:07:00
  Yeah, he really thinks about the pacing of the story, The
• 2:07:05
  Transition of the scenes, I don't know.
• 2:07:07
  And interestingly laughed, my first thing for keeping this.
• 2:07:10
  Sorry AJR can't go against the toilet or before it is.
• 2:07:14
  That is Barry layers because I think they were just so lucky
• 2:07:19
  given what happened that somebody experience could go
• 2:07:23
  down on that. He can't that script and do what
• 2:07:27
  he can and I don't I think people really Rave about Douglas
• 2:07:31
  Canfield but Rave less about Barrett's on.
• 2:07:34
  Yes, it would. I mean, Jesus is terrifying as
• 2:07:36
  it is in imaginative Douglas Canford had directed those all
• 2:07:39
  those alternative Universe scenes, it would have been Too
• 2:07:43
  scary to watch but I think he does a really great job.
• 2:07:47
  And yeah I just have people. Just don't talk enough about the
• 2:07:51
  fact that he just steps into the shoes of possibly, the best
• 2:07:55
  director Doctor Who ever had and hold it off.
• 2:07:58
  So Barry. Let's is my first reason.
• 2:08:00
  My second reason is I think this has the best directed sequence
• 2:08:06
  of all time and I know you're going to fight me in ambassador
• 2:08:09
  to death, but I think the action sequence where the doctor first
• 2:08:12
  materializes in the alternative Universe from when he shot at
• 2:08:17
  outside the door to. When that man falls off the
• 2:08:21
  tower. That whole sequence.
• 2:08:23
  I mean, it could just come from a fucking movie.
• 2:08:25
  It looks, it's so Dynamic, the cameras on the car as people are
• 2:08:31
  coming out of his punching them off.
• 2:08:33
  You know, there's High shot of them all running around.
• 2:08:36
  In that industrial estate, their shots of them fighting on top of
• 2:08:39
  the tower. It's absolutely incredible.
• 2:08:41
  It is incredible. And well, you've all said it, my
• 2:08:47
  third reason was the alternative versions of the Brigade leader
• 2:08:50
  and Liz, but I particularly like the Journey of the Brigade
• 2:08:55
  leader from the bully, boy, to the complete coward, because
• 2:08:58
  we've all known that person, right?
• 2:09:01
  That's in a position of power. I'm really loves it and till the
• 2:09:05
  chips are down, and then you absolutely see who they are and
• 2:09:09
  Courtney's. Not afraid.
• 2:09:11
  If one is not afraid to make the, this usually aimable
• 2:09:14
  Charming character, that's sadistic and really nasty.
• 2:09:18
  But he's also, I think this is more impressive.
• 2:09:21
  He's not afraid to make him pathetic in that last season.
• 2:09:24
  Yeah, Ali's. He's a shity and Courtney knows.
• 2:09:27
  He's a bad fighter and he was leans into it.
• 2:09:30
  And that scene he's lashing out and, you know, I don't need a
• 2:09:35
  weapon to finish you. It's really quite sad.
• 2:09:38
  She's basically putting him out of his misery but all the
• 2:09:42
  reasons you said yeah it's just glorious, but The edginess of
• 2:09:47
  episodes, 6, I've long hair that there are a handful of single
• 2:09:52
  episodes of Doctor Who that I just perfect in isolation from
• 2:09:57
  the story around them. I think persevere MC 4 cases
• 2:10:01
  only for The Invasion Episode 6. I think that they're all back as
• 2:10:08
  well but episode 6 of this, which doesn't start with the
• 2:10:12
  hand going through the door. Which is a great Cliffhanger,
• 2:10:16
  um, and it ends on the end of the world, they atmosphere is
• 2:10:20
  thick, isn't it? It's so edgy yet.
• 2:10:24
  It's a level of intensity that Doctor Who Does he ever reach it
• 2:10:28
  again? I don't think it.
• 2:10:29
  Does. It mean as intense as Doctor Who
• 2:10:32
  ever gets, I'm gonna see episode six and I'm going to raise your
• 2:10:35
  episode 5 because I think that's better.
• 2:10:36
  I think episode 5 of this is near as perfect as you can get.
• 2:10:40
  I think you know, you start off with, you know, that Cliffhanger
• 2:10:46
  of You know, the drill has got through and that's it.
• 2:10:50
  The world is doomed. And I think You know, the the
• 2:10:54
  tension just starts building there and it builds and it
• 2:10:56
  builds and it builds in this. There's no way that up, you
• 2:10:59
  know, things stock going wrong, people are in a way.
• 2:11:00
  I think just its edge of your seat stuff, but I think the
• 2:11:03
  really impressive thing about five is the bit where the doctor
• 2:11:06
  just turns out and says, yeah, mate it's fucked, it doesn't, it
• 2:11:09
  doesn't have those sequences. It doesn't have those sequences
• 2:11:12
  where you know where it explodes.
• 2:11:14
  Yeah. And but and it goes outside and
• 2:11:17
  there's just that shot of that man.
• 2:11:18
  Looking absolutely hopeless. It's always it's it's just the
• 2:11:23
  way it's so subtly underplayed. It's just it's just announced by
• 2:11:27
  the doctors like what can we do doctor.
• 2:11:29
  No way. We're arguing nothing the best
• 2:11:31
  right? It's the best.
• 2:11:32
  You know if you if you think if this was like made now now it is
• 2:11:36
  that would be a cliffhanger or that would have movie gold you
• 2:11:39
  know blast and every instrument and who got green Sky up this
• 2:11:43
  scene but it's just so Underpants.
• 2:11:45
  That's why I think invited a little bit better than six.
• 2:11:48
  Never before has strawberry jam running towards a camera been
• 2:11:52
  more. Tara fighting.
• 2:11:53
  Okay. Doctor.
• 2:12:13
  I advise you to try. I can't.
• 2:12:15
  I literally cut. Create a cosmic disaster.
• 2:12:18
  You're not gonna leave us here. Give anything to save you all.
• 2:12:24
  It's not loaded. To go.
• 2:12:32
  I'll give you until 3, Dr. 1, I'll have to shoot.
• 2:13:30
  Anyhow. Let's crack on and where we up
• 2:13:33
  to with our wheel onto tomeasure?
• 2:13:36
  Well, we we cut off after if, if we do it in the Fairway Eddie
• 2:13:44
  was due up next. Hey here, we first base.
• 2:13:48
  So, naturally in the role already, it feels like his third
• 2:13:51
  or four. They had an inferno a top tier
• 2:13:53
  story, saloons is good, and bastard is decent.
• 2:13:57
  This is one of the best Companions and the unit Castle
• 2:14:00
  pretty amazing as well. It's anyone gonna hate this
• 2:14:04
  season like anybody? Oh well, Greg Stanley isn't
• 2:14:08
  because he says great season. John putty takes on the role of
• 2:14:12
  the doctor effortlessly and Caroline John as the No
• 2:14:16
  Nonsense, but caring is sure is great.
• 2:14:18
  The silurians has a top-notch cast spearhead sets the season
• 2:14:22
  off to a great start. Ambassadors is action packed and
• 2:14:26
  Inferno, his fantastic. Young Morris says to mix
• 2:14:33
  metaphors. This was a huge swing and they
• 2:14:36
  stuck The Landing. No timid half steps to something
• 2:14:40
  new. They go for it and the boldness
• 2:14:42
  is rewarded. Few other Seasons feel so
• 2:14:44
  distinct. Perhaps not a Bible approach in
• 2:14:47
  the long term but all the more reason to treasure these four
• 2:14:50
  stories, Me next Michael store, medic.
• 2:14:57
  I'm not gonna do any flashy thing or anything for him, but
• 2:15:00
  no, please don't. He is my nemesis.
• 2:15:04
  Three-fold and it was completely successful retooling of the
• 2:15:08
  show. We have the best, the doctor
• 2:15:10
  team Dynamic. That was cut short before it
• 2:15:12
  could break down. However, seven part format
• 2:15:15
  shows, it falls fairly early with only Inferno really fit in
• 2:15:18
  the structure. Yes.
• 2:15:22
  Luke Malloy says, considering how universally loved season 7
• 2:15:29
  is It's amazing. The show does anything but this
• 2:15:33
  again. Seriously.
• 2:15:34
  Why does the show go to Great? Pains to avoid this tone when
• 2:15:38
  it's such a hit? Yep.
• 2:15:39
  A joy from start to end ambassadors for the win.
• 2:15:44
  That's the average his opinions on horror Fang, Rock a little
• 2:15:48
  bit, so be I was I don't know to whom you refer because I wiped
• 2:15:56
  him from my memory and left. No one alive, having his
• 2:16:01
  opinions. I loved the fact that you wrote
• 2:16:05
  that convention, third opinions. Alex says the best season of
• 2:16:15
  classic Doctor Who for me but also one of its most
• 2:16:18
  unconventional it's effectively. What if Doctor Who was an ITC
• 2:16:21
  show with the Espionage, Christian tone, more grounded,
• 2:16:24
  character work and a scientific focus, a fascinating and
• 2:16:28
  compelling. What could have been?
• 2:16:29
  Oh, I am so sorry. You got Jason Thompson.
• 2:16:34
  What's so bad about him? Well, normally they're quite
• 2:16:36
  long, actually, this one's quite brief. however, everyone is it
• 2:16:41
  the seasons that saved you did so by not being Doctor Who Gon
• 2:16:46
  as a mysterious traveling time in space.
• 2:16:48
  This thing in Worlds, and in its place is nearby with a military
• 2:16:52
  on tumble cars and it's bloody brilliant.
• 2:16:56
  Wibbly and turns that they're all superb in different ways.
• 2:17:01
  Easy to forget, it's a small miracle.
• 2:17:04
  Any actually got finished strike for the first, two endless and
• 2:17:08
  debilitating rewrites for ambassadors, heart attack.
• 2:17:11
  Any one of them could have been canceled all 10 out of 10.
• 2:17:20
  All Smite says, season 7 is gritty adult experimental and I
• 2:17:26
  absolutely love it. John put we as arguably never
• 2:17:29
  better than he is in this season.
• 2:17:30
  Aided by Caroline, John's marvelous betrayal of Liz, Shaw
• 2:17:34
  Sublime. Let's do one more reach and then
• 2:17:37
  if we do, the last one between the last two stories, all right.
• 2:17:42
  Matt voy said, a stunning season, whatever.
• 2:17:45
  Uncalled Terrence grumbles about the earphone premise.
• 2:17:47
  It's a Triumph of Brave intelligent and nuanced
• 2:17:50
  storytelling, just read through this season's writers and
• 2:17:54
  directors, exploding head emoji, What if it could they have
• 2:18:01
  continued it in this thing for another seasonal too?
• 2:18:05
  Paul done says, this is my favorite series of poetry and
• 2:18:08
  possibly of the whole series, but he'll the brig is not yet.
• 2:18:13
  Completely relief, is not yet, comedy relief, but we plays it.
• 2:18:16
  Did Serious. Liz's.
• 2:18:18
  Wonderful, refreshing change of companion.
• 2:18:20
  I wouldn't want every serious like this, but this season is
• 2:18:23
  perfection 10 out of 10. Spider-Man 72 says, my favorite
• 2:18:31
  season of her. We tied with 11 ambassadors is a
• 2:18:34
  bit over long but every season this year is enhanced by
• 2:18:37
  Caroline John's Liz, she's superb from the off and has a
• 2:18:40
  lovely Report with poetry. I wish he could have stayed
• 2:18:42
  longer. Oh right, a few more still go.
• 2:18:48
  We will get those. Before around 2 but until then,
• 2:18:52
  we have two stories to go. So Eddie you have got a pick
• 2:18:56
  between Doctor Who in the silurians and the ambassadors.
• 2:19:01
  Of death, you've got the twang know he is the twang Eddie, you
• 2:19:08
  edit that in later. The source comedy sound effects
• 2:19:12
  and it actually, when you're on, yeah, yes, fully enough during
• 2:19:17
  the break, I was asked by my father, have I got to pick
• 2:19:20
  anything yet? I didn't say anything.
• 2:19:22
  So I had been able to pick anything out.
• 2:19:23
  Wow. Now she's now because I, I feel
• 2:19:29
  like I always overlooked this one's off when I'm thinking
• 2:19:31
  about the feet and Side lyrics and okay.
• 2:19:37
  Go ahead. Okay.
• 2:19:39
  Alright, so let me just pull up my thingy for silence because
• 2:19:45
  I've got something. Yeah.
• 2:19:47
  Okay. Got it. so, What I've said it
• 2:19:53
  for my first thing, I really like how they did the makeup for
• 2:19:58
  like, the infection stuff that was Bloody terrifying.
• 2:20:04
  Rate. Like what I've actually said is
• 2:20:07
  um, maybe something problem. Really freaks me out like that
• 2:20:10
  could be real and it freaks me out big time.
• 2:20:12
  Yeah. Perfect makeup.
• 2:20:14
  Absolutely love it. and then, that kind of had Well, let me
• 2:20:20
  find next thing. I said, in, in the Omnibus
• 2:20:25
  station, I watch this time. Not like, in Fair know, The
• 2:20:29
  tension leading up to this appearance, could have made it
• 2:20:31
  all the more exciting for a review and 1970.
• 2:20:33
  That's the first half, so without them was really well
• 2:20:35
  done. The big guys, aged like milk.
• 2:20:38
  So for modern Navy that probably killed most the aforementioned
• 2:20:41
  suspense right off. But what I think is it?
• 2:20:44
  I've watched normal version since it's like Baker, goes to
• 2:20:48
  her episodes out, like showing it for more than Split Second in
• 2:20:52
  a shattered. Like, That I think the build-up
• 2:20:56
  to their first appearance is really worth it because like it
• 2:20:59
  pays off and then you just see those nice rubber monsters.
• 2:21:02
  And I think they're designing is really nice as well, although
• 2:21:07
  they were real. Yeah.
• 2:21:09
  Oh yeah. And for yeah, like yeah, third
• 2:21:16
  thing is that, it's all, it's all the action of the
• 2:21:18
  characters. It's like, basically I could see
• 2:21:21
  several of the characters in it, like, I believe it's like,
• 2:21:26
  Doctor Lawrence is either one that gets like infected when he
• 2:21:28
  leaves a base or whatever. It's just saying, no, I won't
• 2:21:34
  take cure or anything. It's like that.
• 2:21:36
  Just fit, that just feels like it was protecting.
• 2:21:38
  What? Every comment, hate comment on
• 2:21:40
  Doctor, Who on Twitter? Like, five years in the past?
• 2:21:44
  Yeah, I really like it just saying, oh, this is just some
• 2:21:49
  woke suspicion. I'm not, I'm an anti-vax.
• 2:21:53
  I'm not going to take it. This is going to harm all my
• 2:21:55
  kids and give them disease like autism and it's like, oh no, he
• 2:22:00
  dies. Anyway, want one suck.
• 2:22:02
  It takes on a whole new Reading. Post the pandemic doors.
• 2:22:09
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:22:12
  And can I just say, one more thing I was Originally like
• 2:22:17
  jokingly going to go in and say yeah, this may, I was going to
• 2:22:21
  say like this might only be my second best father.
• 2:22:23
  In story kissing, I believe Were Meant to do my favorite quite
• 2:22:26
  soon. Actually.
• 2:22:28
  Oh, your favorite snow is it? Oh.
• 2:22:35
  It's a classic. Look at Toby.
• 2:22:38
  Oh. That's not saying this is still
• 2:22:45
  a very close second. Well, that's all right.
• 2:22:48
  Then I'm as of that I'm still going to push it right?
• 2:22:54
  The hell through way. Good.
• 2:22:58
  It's going through and just to confirm for listeners at home.
• 2:23:01
  Yes, call blood and hungry Earth is a very good story, as well.
• 2:23:06
  Yeah. Take out fucking annoying kids.
• 2:23:13
  Right, and the whole of episode 2.
• 2:23:18
  Yeah, we're free rados decided the entire failure.
• 2:23:22
  Should we show the disparate, disparate points of view through
• 2:23:27
  through metaphor, through plot through character?
• 2:23:29
  Now, let's just have them sit around a table and explain it.
• 2:23:32
  Tortuously whilst they exchange the Sahara Desert for a space
• 2:23:36
  calculator and and even so bored of it themselves that they look,
• 2:23:42
  that one of them, falls asleep during the scene.
• 2:23:44
  I mean you remember that character was like an evil
• 2:23:49
  scientist at the end of last episode.
• 2:23:51
  Yeah, he told you all those children.
• 2:23:55
  Yes, I'm not sure if the details hungry has been sat in 2020 was
• 2:24:02
  intentional because like they say obviously they don't but
• 2:24:04
  they say they're in the end of that saying in 1970 they'll come
• 2:24:08
  back in 50 years old. Would you look at hungry?
• 2:24:10
  Yes that yeah like even though he didn't think it was gonna be
• 2:24:15
  that disappointed when they went back to sleep.
• 2:24:19
  Little pressed snooze again. Oh wait, maybe that's why they
• 2:24:24
  quarantine Village off and that don't because obviously there
• 2:24:26
  was pandemic going on. Oh, nice one.
• 2:24:30
  On this. Bring that bring that with you.
• 2:24:31
  So the commentary. All right.
• 2:24:34
  Rates of everyone else that hasn't turned off.
• 2:24:36
  Now to go and watch called the wrong, the Earth.
• 2:24:39
  And no one. After that, brilliant trailer.
• 2:24:42
  That is of all provided there. Let's go.
• 2:24:44
  See what everyone is saying about Doctor Who and the side
• 2:24:47
  durian, so allow me to kick off with Daniel Lawrence Lee.
• 2:24:52
  Love the virus. So plot, he'll Hulk master of
• 2:24:55
  incident. Shame.
• 2:24:57
  We never get to see the doctor, confront, the brig about his act
• 2:24:59
  of murdering his defense. Still, that final scene is one
• 2:25:04
  for the books. No wonder.
• 2:25:05
  It's quoted almost word for word decades.
• 2:25:08
  Later in the Christmas invasion. Daniel.
• 2:25:11
  Oh Daniel, I always surprised me.
• 2:25:13
  Probably my least favorite but it's still exceptionally.
• 2:25:16
  Well, cast and directed. I find the music on the site
• 2:25:19
  Laura and head warbling to track.
• 2:25:21
  Someone is this Paul Darrow's best performers in doctor.
• 2:25:25
  Daniel, why are you talking about?
• 2:25:27
  Yeah. It is it the Galaxy that's, it
• 2:25:33
  is his best performance in Doctor Who on the assumption
• 2:25:35
  that you've never seen Time Rush.
• 2:25:37
  Oh, come on. And that's all.
• 2:25:40
  We're going to come back into fashion, it's not right.
• 2:25:45
  Ah, Oscar gradual and Nigel Neil story dropped headfirst into a
• 2:25:51
  series, still shaken up by the change in format.
• 2:25:53
  The ensemble cast is superb. The scenes of what Loop Station
• 2:25:57
  would not be able to place in a British horror film of the era.
• 2:26:00
  Some odd choices of Music, accused do nothing to detail or
• 2:26:04
  derail the escalating Stakes. The elongated seal format works
• 2:26:08
  here, allowing Hulk to craft tale of fear and the unlike
• 2:26:11
  weaving in allergies that would hold Premiere to a divided
• 2:26:15
  world. How sad that this remains.
• 2:26:17
  So potentially is on perhaps the doctor was right that we do
• 2:26:22
  create our own monsters in the Mirror Luke's Jenkins far.
• 2:26:27
  More succinctly, says, the silurians is great, A cool and
• 2:26:30
  clever new race who won their Planet back.
• 2:26:32
  The ending is one of the best. Ever.
• 2:26:37
  Met Foy the new monster and thoughtful tale.
• 2:26:40
  For one of this sea of stole Watts, great cast, great guest
• 2:26:45
  cast, and the series moves from Monster of the week to a more
• 2:26:48
  sophisticated to take on Alien Invasion.
• 2:26:50
  They've always been here and not everything is black and white
• 2:26:54
  from either side. John Hall says the silurians is
• 2:26:57
  a complex. Layered morality play.
• 2:26:59
  That demonstrates Malcolm Hulk's talents as a screenwriter, both
• 2:27:03
  the humans and silurians have goods and bads and these
• 2:27:07
  xenophobia ensures that both sides lose in the end.
• 2:27:10
  It's impossible to view this story in quite the same way,
• 2:27:13
  post-covid with Peter miles. Eddie, Peter miles, is Dr.
• 2:27:17
  Lawrence coming across as the original anti-vaxxer who denies
• 2:27:21
  the truth around him as he succumbs to the plague in a
• 2:27:24
  harrowing riveting. What did I say about?
• 2:27:27
  Nicholas Courtney willing to look prophetic.
• 2:27:29
  He's got nothing on Peter miles in this story out there.
• 2:27:33
  Right then, gentlemen, next up. He is big.
• 2:27:37
  Yes, yes. And he is Michael Oher fan and
• 2:27:47
  now, no, no. I am lining him up to appear on
• 2:27:52
  the finale of strictly, after all this.
• 2:27:56
  So, big orange, Michael contains one of the most Doctor Who seems
• 2:27:59
  ever to start episode 4. When the saloon is finally
• 2:28:02
  revealed in the doctor extends, his hand and introduces himself.
• 2:28:06
  Brilliant moment. One of so many in this story.
• 2:28:11
  Some see it's too long. They are long.
• 2:28:13
  Hello. Are you a silurian?
• 2:28:16
  Well, changing battery charm would have just pulled out an
• 2:28:19
  antisol phone gun and obliterated it on site.
• 2:28:22
  I think somebody says that in a minute.
• 2:28:24
  How old is James had been Bennett says, the only way, the
• 2:28:29
  digital releases of this could be improved would be a dialogue
• 2:28:32
  only option rather than an isolated score a fascinating.
• 2:28:36
  A fascinating idea, which is its crime.
• 2:28:39
  It hasn't been Revisited as a society before human, and the
• 2:28:43
  plague or the unrealistic is still terrified.
• 2:28:46
  Keep Let's revisit it in cool blood and hungry, you.
• 2:28:54
  Glenn. Fitzgerald Salem's is probably
• 2:28:56
  my least favorite of the Season, not that it's about story.
• 2:28:59
  I just feel it's too long. The opening episode has my
• 2:29:02
  attention, and after that, I drift away, I feel the sailings
• 2:29:05
  oh, a little too wobbly on screen.
• 2:29:06
  However, they are far superior to the modern day wish version.
• 2:29:16
  I think the makeup's a little too good on the modern.
• 2:29:19
  One of this bizarre thing, Jason Thompson says oh, sorry it was,
• 2:29:23
  I'm getting it. I wish the monster has had that
• 2:29:25
  third eye. Oh yes.
• 2:29:27
  It's like in both classic appearances, they had that to
• 2:29:31
  die, but for some reason mock just went.
• 2:29:33
  Yeah, that's Graphics, although they sort of it flashed on and
• 2:29:37
  off like davros, didn't he? Yeah, I believe I've mentioned
• 2:29:41
  bringing that one comment. I heard about the saloon shaking
• 2:29:43
  their head as well. I wasn't, yeah, go on.
• 2:29:46
  Yeah, I believe the thing I heard was that when the side
• 2:29:50
  alone just shaking their head, doing their Road, I just looked
• 2:29:52
  like they must be Eddie Arnold this podcast is PG-13.
• 2:29:58
  How dare you with the time I did say it might be a little
• 2:30:03
  inappropriate. You know, many movies and dogs
• 2:30:06
  masturbation. Jason Thompson, says a nice idea
• 2:30:09
  with some excellent. Casting.
• 2:30:11
  The old silurian staff is unintentionally hilarious with
• 2:30:14
  the gurgling, and weird cat playing with a toy motions, he
• 2:30:17
  does. And I wish I'd spent a bit more
• 2:30:19
  time trimming the molded parts of the costume to remove the
• 2:30:23
  flash from the mold scenes. Oh Jason.
• 2:30:25
  You do worry about the stranger things.
• 2:30:27
  Introducing new characters in the play.
• 2:30:30
  Support seven, Parts structure very well.
• 2:30:32
  And even though the beginning is slow to get going in the
• 2:30:34
  characters, make it never less than engaging keep.
• 2:30:38
  He's wrong about the old salarians death scene by the
• 2:30:41
  way. It's really moving.
• 2:30:42
  It's a lovely piece of body, but physical acting, so yeah.
• 2:30:47
  Yeah, Paul Arthur gives us one of Dr. Who's best realized
• 2:30:51
  monsters everything from there. Clearly defined motives to the
• 2:30:54
  brilliant design. All comes together to create
• 2:30:56
  something special and I don't even mind carry blatant
• 2:30:59
  crumhorn. It's terrible.
• 2:31:02
  Gareth bubbly, says great tone and the story that keeps
• 2:31:06
  diverting from one disaster to another keeping his interest in
• 2:31:09
  sensitive incident. So I lose themselves have never
• 2:31:12
  looked better than here. Yes, stick that your pipe and
• 2:31:14
  smoke it. Jason Thompson plus a Como over
• 2:31:17
  from miles that deserves an Oscar.
• 2:31:21
  On to difficulty, practice says, a doctor who in the Sailor wins
• 2:31:25
  takes his into a new Direction, Earthbound, and embracing the
• 2:31:29
  new setup and intelligent story. Well produced Percy gives one of
• 2:31:33
  many Stella performance as in the final scene conveying both
• 2:31:36
  anger and sadness with just a look at the exploding kids.
• 2:31:39
  Hold your breath. Eddie, John Arnold says 7
• 2:31:43
  episodes gives Malcolm Hulk a chance to build the solar in to
• 2:31:47
  a convincingly thought through alien society and allows a
• 2:31:51
  deeper exploration of their motivations and internal
• 2:31:53
  conflicts. That ending tells you we're not
• 2:31:56
  in trout on era anymore a critique of previous who I hope.
• 2:32:01
  Possibly. It's the Nemesis Michael storm.
• 2:32:06
  It's an episode too long but usually it feels padded at the
• 2:32:09
  beginning. However, once you get good, it
• 2:32:12
  is very good. The infected Dr. Lawrence in a
• 2:32:14
  state of denial plays a bay. Plays.
• 2:32:17
  A bit different bit different post 2020, as does, the plague
• 2:32:22
  sequences pity about the score smile.
• 2:32:28
  Like all seven smart, like all seven parts of the Season, it
• 2:32:31
  does not suffer from padding, it is creepy and superbly.
• 2:32:35
  Well, acted, the silurians look and sound fantastic and the
• 2:32:38
  ending elevates the story to a very top tier piece of who.
• 2:32:43
  Everyone loves it. Anthony Carroll epic and
• 2:32:47
  brilliantly, acted, I even forgive dinosaur.
• 2:32:50
  Put we at this most prickly, I support brig on Blue in them up.
• 2:32:54
  But I love the silurians in this, a race of individuals for
• 2:32:59
  good and bad, something lost in their subsequent outings.
• 2:33:02
  Carry blasters music is out there but somehow really sells
• 2:33:05
  the ancient nature of the silurians and their base, it's
• 2:33:09
  very atmospheric. Someone gets it.
• 2:33:11
  I'm glad someone gets it. I'm gonna be going there.
• 2:33:15
  Good man. And you and Morris five weeks
• 2:33:18
  into the season in Hulk's already pushing the boundaries
• 2:33:21
  of the new format. Some stunning location work, the
• 2:33:24
  way it builds up and out across the seven episodes is masterful
• 2:33:27
  hits. All the harder post pandemic, Oh
• 2:33:30
  boy. Pole Quinn, the doctor spends
• 2:33:32
  the second half of the silurians trying to engineer a peace
• 2:33:35
  treaty between humans and the lizard men who try to kill
• 2:33:38
  everybody with the plague. But a year earlier, the doctor
• 2:33:41
  killed Wheezy space crocodiles with Reckless, abandon the
• 2:33:46
  Brigadier, had the right idea to blow up the shaky headed Club
• 2:33:49
  footed, Fox to Smithereens shelf that farty Kazu music out there
• 2:33:53
  is as well. I thought I'd be like that or
• 2:33:56
  not. It's hard to tell.
• 2:34:00
  Okay, the singing accountant comes in with sailor Moon's.
• 2:34:04
  Been my absolute favorite of the Season, compared the strange
• 2:34:07
  experimental music, to the cheesy music from Saturday
• 2:34:10
  evening. So far, it doesn't okay, I'm
• 2:34:15
  sorry. Finally, Paul done a banger.
• 2:34:17
  It might be long, but it doesn't track.
• 2:34:20
  Interesting, score, lovely location, filming The Bouncing.
• 2:34:22
  So, great as all the scenes of Geoffrey Palmer coming to the
• 2:34:25
  plague. Peter miles going nuts is a
• 2:34:28
  highlight It is. It is so Joe.
• 2:34:33
  You've went last on all the ones so far, so I'll let you go first
• 2:34:36
  on this one. What are your thoughts on a
• 2:34:38
  Doctor Who on the side luian? Well, what's gonna pick on this
• 2:34:41
  one to be? Right, because it does have
• 2:34:45
  weak. Quite unconvincing rubber
• 2:34:48
  costumes. In Longshots, it does.
• 2:34:51
  Have they come on, they don't look convincing.
• 2:34:54
  They look like people in costumes.
• 2:34:57
  Most of the time. The face is good, but they look
• 2:35:00
  like people in terrible costumes and doesn't doctor who looks
• 2:35:03
  like that. In Cold Blood and the hungrier.
• 2:35:09
  And the music is so distracting. Like I, I would love a doubling
• 2:35:14
  Simpson score for this story, but I know you're going to give
• 2:35:17
  a great reading on it, pay Oh, come on.
• 2:35:20
  You don't want someone who's not a doctor who fan in the room
• 2:35:23
  when you're watching this story you know it's going around its
• 2:35:30
  God's. Um, I saw the caves sets as
• 2:35:32
  well, or a bit dodgy that silurian set looks unfinished.
• 2:35:36
  I think the case that's were a bit unfinished.
• 2:35:38
  What they didn't have the sets ready and they had a cobble
• 2:35:40
  something together in a hurry and get them on Barney.
• 2:35:44
  The dinosaur of course is that's successful issue.
• 2:35:48
  And imagine that would be and I do think as well when the plague
• 2:35:51
  is cured towards the end of the story, the rest until that final
• 2:35:57
  scene, it feels like a bit of an anti-climax.
• 2:35:58
  However, I was so I was building this argument and then I got to
• 2:36:04
  the final scene, which is just great.
• 2:36:07
  And I was like, what was I thinking?
• 2:36:09
  This is marvelous. This is magnificent story.
• 2:36:13
  So, of course, I'm gonna put it through.
• 2:36:14
  I really like that. It's a seven part of that takes
• 2:36:19
  the time to set up that normal working environment the way it
• 2:36:23
  does. It's very kind of slow episodes.
• 2:36:26
  One and two, as it's building up the Mysteries, but we get to
• 2:36:29
  know people, which means When the shit hits the fan later in
• 2:36:33
  the story with cave monsters and plagues and whatever you have,
• 2:36:35
  you actually get to see how that really affects people and their
• 2:36:39
  relationships. It uses its extra time in a
• 2:36:42
  really mature way in a way that doctors who was not doing in the
• 2:36:46
  60s. I love the motivations of the
• 2:36:49
  characters as well, and the fact that just everybody's got a
• 2:36:52
  great motivation. You know, the knowledge I gain
• 2:36:55
  is worth any risk. Says, Doctor Quinn.
• 2:36:57
  We know immediately what he's trying to do get hold of our
• 2:37:00
  scientific knowledge, the director Peter miles is
• 2:37:04
  character. His career is on the line.
• 2:37:05
  You know, a piece of Machinery, that's worth 50 million pounds
• 2:37:09
  could be on the line. That's not worth 15 million pins
• 2:37:13
  of it isn't working. Oh my God, what's the name?
• 2:37:17
  Mr. Awesome, yeah, she loved with Dr. Quinn, I'm not sure but
• 2:37:22
  there is, oh, yes. Oh he's such a suggestions that
• 2:37:25
  she might be, that's really interesting as well.
• 2:37:28
  The doctors motive to broker peace between the humans.
• 2:37:31
  And the reptiles and given the fact that both are doing
• 2:37:34
  terrible, things on both sides, makes his reactions.
• 2:37:37
  That he's angry reactions to that really interesting Baker,
• 2:37:41
  that, that that's little bit of information about his troubled
• 2:37:45
  past. And so he's trying to salvage
• 2:37:48
  his reputation. So, he's so desperate to do the
• 2:37:50
  right thing here, and it makes them a really stubborn
• 2:37:54
  character, but we understand why he's doing it.
• 2:37:56
  I just think the character work is phenomenal in this.
• 2:37:59
  I don't think anybody outclasses Malcolm Hulk when it comes to
• 2:38:02
  character work. And I just, I think John Purge
• 2:38:06
  is. So assured is unbelievable.
• 2:38:08
  This is his second story, and he was probably quite comfortable
• 2:38:13
  on film, because he was used to working on film.
• 2:38:15
  And here he is in these cramped little Studios and he's just
• 2:38:19
  amazing. I love how he walks in as if he
• 2:38:21
  owns the place how he gathers evidence, he's with the
• 2:38:25
  Brigadier, I love him. Working brilliantly with Liza,
• 2:38:29
  absolute gentleman. With the silurians he's
• 2:38:33
  furiously angry. When they strike out of both
• 2:38:35
  sides, how he's tired, he's trying to create a cure for the
• 2:38:38
  play. And best of all how how angry he
• 2:38:43
  is at the brigadier's final solution.
• 2:38:45
  It's kind of sad that we don't get any Fallout from that
• 2:38:47
  really. It possibly should have been
• 2:38:49
  where their relationship went to make it really impacts.
• 2:38:53
  But you know, we love Nicole me. The fact that he was so nervous.
• 2:38:59
  Playing a dramatic role like this up from with these TV
• 2:39:03
  cameras in this face. I just think it makes his, his
• 2:39:05
  presence, his Charisma, how he holds it all together.
• 2:39:09
  So impressive, Fuck. He looks hot in that white
• 2:39:13
  T-shirt in episode 7. He looks so hot.
• 2:39:16
  In normal clothes. He should have gone full, shoot,
• 2:39:18
  he got one. Just one normal clothes for, I
• 2:39:20
  was entire run. I think he's amazing.
• 2:39:22
  I think this story is amazing. There are production issues.
• 2:39:26
  There's always production issues is Dr. Who I love it?
• 2:39:29
  Yes. Oh, I really hate the music.
• 2:39:33
  Okay. So to be here, I saw you pulling
• 2:39:36
  a few faces at Joe's comments there.
• 2:39:39
  So would you like to come in at this point and tell us what your
• 2:39:41
  thoughts are on a doctor who in the cave monsters?
• 2:39:43
  Yeah, well it is another one that's for me.
• 2:39:45
  Some what? Always seen through the lens of
• 2:39:48
  the book and I hadn't particularly enjoyed the book, I
• 2:39:51
  found welcome Hulk's, novels heart because I was reading them
• 2:39:55
  at an age when I shouldn't have been really, and I didn't
• 2:39:57
  understand the subtleties and nuances, a lot of them.
• 2:39:59
  And Terence, dicks is more straightforward, prose, and
• 2:40:02
  characterizations, and and Renditions were easily more
• 2:40:05
  accessible. So, there were my favorite one.
• 2:40:07
  So I came into silurians a knowing the story very well I
• 2:40:14
  thought and and they're being, you know, not many surprises to
• 2:40:17
  come and also With the received wisdom That season 7 was a kind
• 2:40:24
  of stuttering start at the perk, wayra found its form when Barry
• 2:40:29
  Letts and Terence sticks took over so season 7 was a was a
• 2:40:32
  massive surprise to me when I came to it in the piecemeal form
• 2:40:36
  that I did. And silurians was recommended to
• 2:40:38
  me by the man. I got my bootlegs from because I
• 2:40:42
  said, what I started with the 60s but I thought, well, I
• 2:40:45
  should get some some poetry, some some color.
• 2:40:48
  Although, for me I was at a time when, you know, the older, the
• 2:40:51
  better it was just how we were conditioned in those days and
• 2:40:55
  to, you know, to to miss quote Star, Trek, six, the
• 2:41:00
  Undiscovered Country. You've not experienced doctor in
• 2:41:03
  the silurians until you've seen it in its original black and
• 2:41:05
  white. I had a gorgeous black and white
• 2:41:08
  off are almost Australian version and so it always seems
• 2:41:14
  the color, were always likely surprises me and I loved it in
• 2:41:18
  black and white it worked really well. and, And I realized later
• 2:41:23
  that the reason that the man who did me my bootlegs had
• 2:41:26
  recommended doctor in the solarwinds, as the first perk
• 2:41:29
  with that I should have was because he had that in good
• 2:41:32
  quality which he didn't have Inferno in any.
• 2:41:34
  I didn't have an ambassadors in and it was easier for him to do
• 2:41:37
  a seven-part than it was for him to do a four-part and then three
• 2:41:40
  episodes of the network or the single episode, he was basically
• 2:41:43
  being lazy. He could just let it run and do
• 2:41:45
  me a tape and there we would have it.
• 2:41:48
  So it was the first sort of pert, we I really properly.
• 2:41:52
  Owned. Expecting it to be fairly
• 2:41:56
  familiar because of the book. And there's so much in it, that
• 2:42:00
  is not in the book and there is so much in it, that started the
• 2:42:03
  book, that is magnificent. And a lot of them Malcolm Hulk
• 2:42:06
  stories sometimes, miss out when you see them on television,
• 2:42:08
  because a lot of the best bits from the books, don't make it.
• 2:42:11
  But the silurians has so many bits that are in the book that
• 2:42:14
  are magnificent in and of themselves.
• 2:42:16
  I am surprised about Doctor Who in the silurians because most
• 2:42:21
  people I know kind of like it and think it's pretty good.
• 2:42:23
  I think it is an absolute Banger.
• 2:42:26
  I think it is. One of the greats of doctor.
• 2:42:28
  I think pretty much all of season 7 is but so, Lauren's, I
• 2:42:32
  think sometimes. a sufferer's maybe because of the book, maybe
• 2:42:37
  because Of the different prompts that come from the other stories
• 2:42:41
  that it gets slightly sort of overlooked.
• 2:42:44
  So I will choose three. But I could have chosen dozens,
• 2:42:50
  I think it's an absolute Corker. That doesn't really put a foot
• 2:42:55
  wrong and Toby there. If they people do want to hear
• 2:42:59
  the rest of your reasons there is a five and a half hour.
• 2:43:02
  Absolutely blunt pen knife, commentary on the side.
• 2:43:05
  That's right. So I got I'm sorry, I'll try not
• 2:43:08
  to repeat myself. And I I, you know, I do accept
• 2:43:12
  that the music sounds like Charlie, the cat desperately,
• 2:43:15
  trying to remember his safe word, but it is.
• 2:43:21
  I love that about doctor. You can come to a story again
• 2:43:24
  that I thought I knew and I knew the music was different because
• 2:43:27
  it was Carrie blight, it wasn't Simpson and all that sort of
• 2:43:30
  thing. But nothing quite prepared.
• 2:43:32
  Me until I saw and I love that about old doctor that you can
• 2:43:35
  tune into a story and it has a dimension to it that you could
• 2:43:39
  not possibly expect it to possess.
• 2:43:42
  And yet, for some reason of some conjunction of the moon, the
• 2:43:47
  stars, and personnel, and taste, and all sorts of influences that
• 2:43:50
  have brought Carrie blight. And to be in the orbit of Doctor
• 2:43:56
  Who that means we get that score for this particular story and
• 2:44:00
  you go okay gorgeous because we could just have four scores
• 2:44:04
  unexpected and weird and it makes you go.
• 2:44:10
  I'm not sure. I like it.
• 2:44:12
  But come on, Joe. You're a kinky sort of fella.
• 2:44:15
  Sometimes you have. I'm sure you.
• 2:44:17
  I'm sure there's been a time in your life when you've saw when
• 2:44:19
  you've said I'm not, I'm not sure I'm enjoying this and At
• 2:44:23
  its marvelous circumstances where the I'd say you have that
• 2:44:28
  with food stuff. Sometimes really good, it's just
• 2:44:30
  challenging flavor, but actually I'm rather liking.
• 2:44:32
  I'm sure, it's it's happened in the Ford dungeon many times you
• 2:44:37
  better ask Pete about that. So could I ask you, can I ask
• 2:44:42
  you, you know, the know you probably won't notice if you do
• 2:44:45
  know the answer but Barry. Let's talk about a composer who
• 2:44:50
  hounded him. Oh, the doctor, whose music who
• 2:44:55
  he worked with on Doctor, Who's music?
• 2:44:57
  He did not. Like, and eventually I'd say, I
• 2:45:01
  just don't like you all music please.
• 2:45:03
  Stop bothering me. I think.
• 2:45:04
  Where is Caribbean? I think it probably was.
• 2:45:07
  Yeah, I think it. Oh, totally.
• 2:45:10
  Derailed you there. I mean, he does subsequently
• 2:45:18
  robbed at the Darks of any possible Melissa death to the
• 2:45:20
  doctor. But I nonetheless, I kind of I
• 2:45:25
  the art, like the lies in the fact that it is there.
• 2:45:28
  I, I would, I would find it boring.
• 2:45:32
  If I, if I wasn't sometimes challenged by the music of
• 2:45:35
  doctor and various bits and Bobs of doctors and how we used to
• 2:45:38
  do, television, where risks were taken, where everything didn't
• 2:45:41
  have to be homogenized and always recognized as the same
• 2:45:45
  package and the same product. I think television is poorer for
• 2:45:48
  the fact that you have to now turn it on and know exactly what
• 2:45:51
  program you were watching. The beauty of doctor is you
• 2:45:54
  might go it's Doctor Who. Oh my God, they're doing that
• 2:45:56
  this week. Okay?
• 2:45:57
  And and that path sometimes lead to qualified successes,
• 2:46:02
  surprising successes, and sometimes bold failures.
• 2:46:06
  But I I I'm perfectly happy to watch to have the silurians
• 2:46:13
  story augmented by that particular, you know, epileptic
• 2:46:16
  Choir. Oh, that's seems to be going on
• 2:46:19
  and but I will choose three things.
• 2:46:22
  I promised I would just choose three things and shut up.
• 2:46:24
  I fail. So three things.
• 2:46:26
  It's been mentioned a lot. But you can't mention it too
• 2:46:29
  much. Peter miles is death, scene is
• 2:46:31
  absolutely glorious. It's Not Over the Top.
• 2:46:34
  I mean it's big and it's uncomfortable and it's he has
• 2:46:38
  the courage to make it ugly. This is what I like about it
• 2:46:41
  dying. Is a brilliant is great fun.
• 2:46:43
  When you're an actor and there's nothing better than dying in a
• 2:46:46
  way that looks sort of very distinct.
• 2:46:49
  You know, very Noble or very brave or very scared of it.
• 2:46:56
  It's a good Flex of the acting muscles, but not many actors are
• 2:47:00
  brave enough to do what it would be like, in real life, which is
• 2:47:02
  ungainly, which is slightly embarrassing, which is sort of
• 2:47:06
  ugly, which is, and, and I think miles is brilliant.
• 2:47:10
  I mean, it's a brilliant cast. None of them sort of going for
• 2:47:15
  sort of start and they all work as a really good.
• 2:47:17
  They're all really good, solid, proper character's all doing a
• 2:47:22
  really proper job. I'm Norman Jones is I think a
• 2:47:26
  underrated actor. And I think he's great his major
• 2:47:29
  Baker and of course, Geoffrey Palmer that Darrow is, I think
• 2:47:33
  is fantastic, a Fulton Makai. They're all super But I think
• 2:47:39
  Peter Mi doctor Lawrence is such a prick, but that death scene is
• 2:47:45
  great. The fact that he absolutely
• 2:47:47
  loses it and it's, as I say it's ungainly, and it's doesn't look
• 2:47:53
  choreographed, it looks horrible.
• 2:47:55
  And people could hurt themselves.
• 2:47:56
  And it's, yeah, it's brilliant. Great death scene, one of the
• 2:47:59
  great death scenes in Doctor Who and Martin steering isn't there
• 2:48:02
  that way you. It's, it's bureaucracy out of
• 2:48:08
  control but also a man frayed and it's superb and it serves as
• 2:48:14
  a comment on the character as well as a as a brilliant moment,
• 2:48:18
  it's it's a synthesis of of that sort of characters.
• 2:48:22
  Story coming to an end and a performance.
• 2:48:25
  Absolutely, you know, going the last place it needs to go.
• 2:48:28
  It's terrific. It's a brilliant scene.
• 2:48:31
  I think it's a brilliant scene and if it looked and I'm sad for
• 2:48:34
  people who, if to them, it looks comical because I don't supposed
• 2:48:38
  to look comical and I think that's that's taking it the
• 2:48:41
  wrong way. It is ungainly, it is ugly, it's
• 2:48:43
  not well, it's not a choreographed death scene and I
• 2:48:46
  think it is all the more interesting and compelling
• 2:48:49
  because of it Ma beautiful. Second thing I'm gonna having
• 2:48:54
  talked about the film in silurians and obviously, we're
• 2:48:57
  gonna talk about the action sequences and brilliant.
• 2:49:03
  A scope that ambassadors is afforded by Michael Ferguson.
• 2:49:07
  I think Fred Hamilton's film work in.
• 2:49:09
  This is magnificent from the fact that they decide not to
• 2:49:13
  show the silurian until the end of episode 3, which can
• 2:49:17
  sometimes be really frustrating when you want a story to sort of
• 2:49:20
  get to the meat of it. But actually those tantalizing
• 2:49:23
  Silhouettes and long shots and shuffling bushes and all that
• 2:49:28
  sort of thing is is actually part of the story drawing and I
• 2:49:33
  think it uses it seven episodes very well, I don't think it's an
• 2:49:36
  episode too long at all I think Malcolm knows exactly how to to
• 2:49:39
  add layers to the story to make the story.
• 2:49:44
  Tell itself in its own time. But in a way that never nothing
• 2:49:46
  that you're seeing ever feels redundant.
• 2:49:48
  And I think the way that that That the director Tim and his
• 2:49:51
  and his film cameraman. Fred Hamilton draw out the
• 2:49:55
  suspense over the reveal of the silurian, who won't be seen
• 2:49:58
  until the studio is, is absolutely gorgeous.
• 2:50:01
  And then he does. Lots of sweeping helicopter
• 2:50:04
  stuff on the Moors, which is really great and brings brings a
• 2:50:07
  bit of sense of scale to it and then does a completely different
• 2:50:11
  kind of shoot in merrily bone station, which he fills with
• 2:50:14
  dropping corpses, which is a really ambitious and
• 2:50:19
  extraordinary set of sequences. So, yeah, Fred Hamilton the
• 2:50:25
  camera, the film cameraman. Oh, and Masters is death
• 2:50:28
  railings, mostly silhouette, and then moves backwards, and it
• 2:50:35
  plays with, because of the way that those that play with the,
• 2:50:39
  the perception of the film camera that they're really Giddy
• 2:50:42
  and dizzying, and he and Tim Kuhn repeats, That Trick In Mind
• 2:50:47
  of evil when Benton gets mined bothered, And the third thing.
• 2:50:52
  Well, I mean the mentioned the ending will be mentioned a lot
• 2:50:56
  and, and is worthy of it. But maybe I could tie that in
• 2:50:59
  with actually just the whole premise of We are not being
• 2:51:03
  invaded. These creatures were here,
• 2:51:06
  first, nobody is right, nobody is wrong.
• 2:51:09
  And you have the doctor as the sole voice of reason between
• 2:51:13
  two. Absolutely 240 who are
• 2:51:17
  completely equal and opposite of each other and who will never?
• 2:51:20
  And we know how Drama Works. We're not gonna have it ending
• 2:51:23
  where the solariums just decided to live in the Sahara Desert or
• 2:51:27
  whatever. So it's so it's we're in just
• 2:51:32
  the way that we are in Inferno. We are on a juggernaut to
• 2:51:35
  Armageddon. This is not going to end pretty.
• 2:51:38
  We know the word be arbitration and every time the doctor looks
• 2:51:41
  like he's getting somewhere. Once somebody from one of the
• 2:51:44
  factions comes in and throws a curveball, because humanity is
• 2:51:48
  flawed because the silurians are flawed, but also humanity is
• 2:51:51
  sort of slightly justified in its position.
• 2:51:53
  The salarians are justified in their position and it's a cut
• 2:51:57
  and there's a horrified horrible inevitability of it or where
• 2:52:01
  nobody's really wrong. But because of the setup that
• 2:52:06
  we've been given, somebody's gonna have to die.
• 2:52:09
  And that then makes the brigadier's decision all the
• 2:52:12
  more fascinating and the pragmatism of It and could can
• 2:52:17
  easily be seen as Justified. But also tugs at us
• 2:52:20
  particularly, because we've got the doctor there and enunciating
• 2:52:23
  that. So and I think the way that that
• 2:52:25
  is played out is really superb stuff.
• 2:52:28
  It's a banger, it's another 10 out of 10.
• 2:52:32
  I am standing in front of the bin with a machine gun.
• 2:52:36
  It will be gunned down. Okay, peace.
• 2:52:45
  Are you getting gunned down or you're not?
• 2:52:46
  I'm merely fight Toby for the gun so that I can be the one who
• 2:52:52
  does the Gunning down of anyone? Who's glad he's wrong about.
• 2:52:57
  What is my third favorite Doctor Who story of all time.
• 2:53:02
  All of them have the whole after a shotgun, the Demon's, which,
• 2:53:06
  what place at the top all the time.
• 2:53:08
  I was like I got into Target books, a bit on the latest side
• 2:53:12
  and I was in love with this book before I haven't got to see it.
• 2:53:15
  The book reminded me of Planet of the Apes, the movie, which I
• 2:53:18
  think is deliberate was, I mean, the story Planet of the Apes was
• 2:53:21
  two years before this. And I think there's a, there's a
• 2:53:24
  themes there who owns this planet and obviously the ending
• 2:53:27
  is different, but the ape Primitives being driven out is a
• 2:53:29
  very, what the Apes, what to do to the humans in that.
• 2:53:33
  I love that. It was the first illegal
• 2:53:37
  criminal Doctor Who that I ever got to watch.
• 2:53:39
  I'd like you to be. It was a really good quality
• 2:53:41
  copy of friends. Older brother was a fan and it
• 2:53:44
  got it and he was like, you're gonna see this one.
• 2:53:46
  You really want to see this one and we watched it in perfect
• 2:53:49
  black and all it seemed fairly good black and white quality and
• 2:53:53
  my mum wanted to impress his mum.
• 2:53:56
  So she made his Posh triangular sandwiches with the cross cut
• 2:53:58
  off which never happened before, and that was like, this is
• 2:54:02
  special something. I was like a real pay wasn't
• 2:54:04
  there. Yeah.
• 2:54:05
  It was like, this is a special love watching those tapes.
• 2:54:08
  What do I love about it? Try and keep it short.
• 2:54:12
  I, the immediately being the terrifying creature on the
• 2:54:16
  heath. When it shot in a silhouette the
• 2:54:18
  sun's setting behind it, was it going?
• 2:54:20
  What is it? The sound of the trace of
• 2:54:22
  beeping? They don't Doris.
• 2:54:26
  And The Squire, or is he missed a squire?
• 2:54:28
  I'm not sure they're up there. There's good as the series, and
• 2:54:32
  it was What? Something moving.
• 2:54:35
  I'm kind of a circus Freak The Cliff.
• 2:54:39
  But all that drama, all that fear.
• 2:54:41
  And then, yeah, the Cliffhanger is resolved by the doctor
• 2:54:43
  shaking his hand shaking. The salarians hand that's
• 2:54:46
  untrained would not have shaken. A nice hand.
• 2:54:49
  The other someone point out a gathering on Blue Sky.
• 2:54:56
  The Mind robber pointed it. I'm gonna quote his tweet, even
• 2:54:59
  though he said it was. He just posted it at?
• 2:55:01
  I love it. It's a travesty that there's a
• 2:55:03
  bit in the solariums where Dr. Quinn gives us a salary and a
• 2:55:06
  lift in his little car and we don't get to, we don't get to
• 2:55:09
  see that one of those really awkward silent drives or you
• 2:55:13
  can't think of anything to say and I bet I bet the salary was
• 2:55:17
  turned out the heating to fall and it was steaming up the
• 2:55:19
  windows and they had an argument, then they got to the
• 2:55:21
  cottage and had and argument about the thermostat and that's
• 2:55:23
  what the city and killed him, because that's what I see you
• 2:55:26
  we're all imagining it just imagine that space what the
• 2:55:30
  grandson was like five to the slot.
• 2:55:33
  Oh yes, you just turn the heat up and then the guy turn into
• 2:55:39
  snakes. I love Miss Dawson, I love Miss
• 2:55:42
  Dawson goes full, tell them all kill the monsters, who have to
• 2:55:45
  be after this guy that she said with him.
• 2:55:47
  Isn't she gets killed? I love the structure.
• 2:55:50
  It's the best use of seven episodes.
• 2:55:52
  It's the best use of more than the best use of six or seven
• 2:55:54
  episodes. The Handover from Fulton Makai
• 2:55:57
  to Geoffrey Palmer, as guests of the guest person and one of
• 2:56:01
  those moments where someone did come in, my sister came in,
• 2:56:03
  while we were watching it quite a few years.
• 2:56:05
  Older, she sat and was what she did not ridicule, it was it was
• 2:56:10
  where Jeffrey Parker, it was Jeffrey, Palmer's, putting the
• 2:56:13
  plague around and ever since then, in our house Geoffrey
• 2:56:16
  Palmer was known as the man from the ministry of spreading
• 2:56:19
  diseases. It was, when we couldn't
• 2:56:22
  remember his name, we call them. That Liz.
• 2:56:25
  Liz is so good. I forgot to mention before.
• 2:56:27
  So, I'm gonna mention it now. Liz, I think is, is based on Geo
• 2:56:30
  Kelly, I think that from from seeds of death, I see that in
• 2:56:34
  her and she's so good in this so astute, but not, I see, she's
• 2:56:38
  just like her. She does certify, neither is
• 2:56:42
  dead two seconds after he hits the floor, which I think is just
• 2:56:44
  Speedy science. But the main thing I'm going for
• 2:56:48
  is the music. I love this music.
• 2:56:50
  It's weird, it's alien Carey. Blighting is Professor of
• 2:56:53
  Harmony Counterpoint and orchestration at clinical
• 2:56:56
  Trinity College of Music in London.
• 2:56:58
  At this time, he knows what he's doing and he's been told, these
• 2:57:01
  are primeval things from before the history, so we get
• 2:57:05
  prehistoric instruments. He makes sounds that humans
• 2:57:09
  might have heard in the very early, as of humans being
• 2:57:12
  created. He doesn't have that excuse to
• 2:57:14
  death of in this its unnerving and strange.
• 2:57:22
  And if you want to hear Murray gold all the time.
• 2:57:25
  Whenever you're watching Doctor, Who do a lot, more gold does.
• 2:57:27
  Stick on a Murray gold CD. It's fine.
• 2:57:29
  You can do that if you want, but this is It's takes you to
• 2:57:33
  another world and without, and I think we're trapped on Earth,
• 2:57:37
  but this series takes you to other worlds and this takes you
• 2:57:39
  to this version of Earth that the solariums rule without
• 2:57:42
  actually even need to show you it.
• 2:57:44
  Do you love the story of Carrie blonde founding up?
• 2:57:49
  Tim Cooper like midnight. Tim.
• 2:57:52
  I've got the noise of the silurians he played it.
• 2:57:55
  All right I'll talk to you tomorrow.
• 2:58:00
  He was clearly very passionate about it.
• 2:58:03
  He cut his own family. Did it his own way?
• 2:58:05
  Yeah, actually enough though, I absolutely love the music for
• 2:58:08
  death to the Daleks, but I, that was my first VHS.
• 2:58:12
  So, okay. So, you know, the, the strange
• 2:58:16
  care about the fact that he wrote the children's song,
• 2:58:18
  Bananas in Pyjamas are coming down the stairs.
• 2:58:20
  No. Yes, that I guess that was his
• 2:58:24
  niece. But did Carrie blatant do any
• 2:58:31
  any work on quit? I must Know, he didn't, she can
• 2:58:35
  read it about how much work on he didn't do on Creative mass,
• 2:58:38
  in my fourth coming book, the question coming out May the
• 2:58:44
  12th, it will be out by the time.
• 2:58:46
  This is, I'm sure my God is coming out my birthday, my
• 2:58:49
  amazing, but still available from 10.
• 2:58:51
  Is that your birthday? It is.
• 2:58:53
  Oh, how amazing? How wonderful.
• 2:58:58
  That's right. It copies are going out now.
• 2:59:05
  So oh wonderful. So you might you might get it
• 2:59:08
  exact same times and I'm going to wrap up Doctor Who in the
• 2:59:12
  side durians and I'm gonna do something that I don't usually
• 2:59:14
  do. When I am going to keep it brief
• 2:59:15
  and bloody hell, you know, there is something big coming don't
• 2:59:19
  worry and, but I'll keep this one brief and lots of been said
• 2:59:22
  about lots of the wonderful things.
• 2:59:24
  Yeah, the end. This handshake, the, the plot
• 2:59:27
  and buy Hulk, the pandemic stuff and the three things that I've
• 2:59:31
  written down and in that, I'm going to put this on the base of
• 2:59:35
  a first one, is The Supporting Cast.
• 2:59:37
  And, you know, we've got a cast, which is got Myles, Jeffrey Paul
• 2:59:42
  Darrow in it. Joe, I remember something you
• 2:59:44
  said to me, when we were to and see see he's four and he sent
• 2:59:49
  his clip of Silence in the library in or what one of the
• 2:59:52
  clips and he said, you know, how how have we got a cast like this
• 2:59:56
  in this silly little show of hours?
• 2:59:57
  You know this we don't deserve to have a cast of this quality
• 3:00:02
  and I think Not just this story but a lot of the other ones in
• 3:00:05
  this season. Yeah.
• 3:00:06
  It's just so well cast. But you know, this one really
• 3:00:09
  sticks out for me is is one way you're looking to think my God,
• 3:00:12
  we got no right to have performance of this color but
• 3:00:15
  you know, doing as Daphne sense with rubber monsters that they
• 3:00:19
  are. So that's me first one and the
• 3:00:22
  second one and it's just gonna recap what Pete and Toby.
• 3:00:24
  We've already said it is Kaylee blatant key of Gazoo score and I
• 3:00:28
  think it's fantastic. I think you know, there's a
• 3:00:31
  there's the thing about Doctor Who is you get everything with
• 3:00:34
  Dr Who and you get every variety of Science Fiction, and story
• 3:00:39
  and drama and excitement, we've had 60 years, you know, you've
• 3:00:42
  got to keep doing new things, you know, and we all loved.
• 3:00:46
  Oddly Simpson. God bless him and we're going to
• 3:00:47
  talk a lot about very soon. But you know, by the end of his
• 3:00:50
  tenure, it is just, you know, what you're going to do with a
• 3:00:54
  noble with this week Dudley, you know, give us carry Blake and
• 3:00:58
  give us something that's gonna do something really different
• 3:01:00
  and really distinctive. And like Pete says, is actually
• 3:01:04
  going to town on this. He's done his homework.
• 3:01:06
  He's really putting an effort in, so God bless him for that.
• 3:01:09
  I love the score for this. I'm mad kinky Bunch for sure.
• 3:01:12
  You come in and sit down on the sofa that bit at the end of
• 3:01:17
  episode six. It's a written winner, honestly,
• 3:01:26
  and last one, then, last but not least, is the title of the
• 3:01:30
  episode of the story is called, mentioned it.
• 3:01:33
  Doctor Who in the silence? I love the fact.
• 3:01:36
  It's called Doctor Who in the series, not the doctor in the
• 3:01:38
  same Doctor, Who Doctor Who doesn't get called Doctor.
• 3:01:40
  Who enough the character, you know, is this too much box?
• 3:01:43
  Now, it is about the Doctor, Who's the show in the doctor's.
• 3:01:46
  The character does know Doctor Who was the character as well.
• 3:01:48
  He is called doctor who threw away my memory.
• 3:01:51
  Isn't that awesome unintentional titles?
• 3:01:53
  Yes, the mistake they did the same thing from bastard as a
• 3:01:56
  death and then sent it back again because they're noticed
• 3:01:57
  it's just don't know what. I don't care.
• 3:02:00
  I mean it's it's the guys got Registration plate.
• 3:02:03
  Come on. We don't avoid it in the total
• 3:02:06
  of the Solaris. That's why Moffitt was banging
• 3:02:08
  on about it for our Series 7 and 8 so much.
• 3:02:11
  That's just so anyhow. There will go, there was on my
• 3:02:15
  three reasons why I am putting the side even sorry Doctor Who
• 3:02:19
  and the side of ruins through to around two just mentioned,
• 3:02:23
  Folsom McKay for a second. I know you want to move us on
• 3:02:26
  but yeah thank you. Oh yes.
• 3:02:29
  Sorry I got it wrong again. Every time I watched this right.
• 3:02:33
  Kind of forget, he's a bad and they come in and he's so
• 3:02:37
  Charming, isn't he with everybody?
• 3:02:39
  And I've sort of sitting there watching it this time, okay?
• 3:02:41
  He's just too nice. This is so fake, this is fake.
• 3:02:45
  And then it turns out every time it is in fact, like nice list.
• 3:02:48
  It gets me. Every time I watch it.
• 3:02:50
  I think he's great. Who is the highest paid guest
• 3:02:53
  star Arcane? It was here.
• 3:02:57
  No. No.
• 3:02:57
  I'm going off memory because I only glanced very quickly at
• 3:03:00
  when I was interviewing Sue up and she showed me a Legends so I
• 3:03:05
  could be I remember being very surprised.
• 3:03:08
  The person I'm gonna mention might be the second but I've got
• 3:03:11
  a feeling the person. I'm gonna tell you was actually
• 3:03:14
  because when you work for the BBC you get more every time you
• 3:03:17
  work for them and all. So there are different
• 3:03:20
  circumstances. Peter Halliday.
• 3:03:25
  Oh, wow, we're doing the voices. Yeah.
• 3:03:27
  Oh yeah. We should have went.
• 3:03:29
  I mean, I was stunned when I did when I realized.
• 3:03:32
  When I realized it was one person doing those all those
• 3:03:35
  different characters because they're so distinct.
• 3:03:37
  These ante ante does the section 3 closed down in, in episode 1?
• 3:03:43
  When all the different sections are closing time, he's all of
• 3:03:45
  them as well. He's not, he is yeah.
• 3:03:49
  But then he's just, he's found his old cyber director voice
• 3:03:52
  from The Invasion and asked that to do it because it's the same,
• 3:03:56
  it's the same voice. The only listen, get paid more
• 3:03:58
  than on a company for the same reason.
• 3:04:01
  I've been you. I'm not sure that.
• 3:04:04
  Yeah, I I'm not sure you're wrong there.
• 3:04:06
  I think there is, yeah, there was there was, there was
• 3:04:08
  something he was the male lead. She was the female lead and he
• 3:04:11
  had more miles on the clock. I get, I just remembered now,
• 3:04:15
  while I was watching suicide and so I just made it.
• 3:04:17
  I always thought the voice was like, oh, that just sounds like,
• 3:04:20
  some weird American person or something just voicing them and
• 3:04:23
  I was like, well, The Silo is no.
• 3:04:25
  It's a steamed character, Peter Halliday.
• 3:04:27
  Yeah. The voice is caught me off guard
• 3:04:30
  and I found them quite funny, but every time I was saying, oh,
• 3:04:34
  this sounds kind of funny, or this seems kind of off.
• 3:04:36
  I had that film mysterious, John Arnold person telling me to bin
• 3:04:41
  it and I was like, no, I'm not bending here.
• 3:04:43
  Never listen to your father. The voice is the voice is like
• 3:04:50
  the music. You know, you can have it where
• 3:04:51
  monster voices all sound the same.
• 3:04:53
  It's all we are all going to sound like this.
• 3:04:55
  So the fact that they go well, let's shake it up a bit and try
• 3:04:58
  and do something a little bit different.
• 3:04:59
  I'm all for that. Absolutely and ambitious.
• 3:05:04
  And how experimental is absolutely but also cars with
• 3:05:08
  the wrong eyes watching it it could also be extremely
• 3:05:12
  embarrassing. I think.
• 3:05:12
  Oh I do think that is true. We're all forgiving them.
• 3:05:18
  The standard viewer. Yeah well yeah well that's why I
• 3:05:22
  am out. It's a great way to decide who
• 3:05:27
  lives or dies when the great recording is upon us.
• 3:05:30
  Stick him in front of small dog too.
• 3:05:32
  And if they don't look up on it as generously or imaginatively,
• 3:05:35
  we do Ben and what can you sell it?
• 3:05:37
  Don't get the vaccine. Yeah, Right.
• 3:05:43
  How is it? 11 oclock?
• 3:05:45
  We've already got four stories talk.
• 3:05:48
  I've got well podcast after this.
• 3:05:53
  I'm behind, right? Let's power on then because we
• 3:05:56
  have got one story that discuss left, some might say that we
• 3:06:01
  have kept the best story to last and some would be quite correct.
• 3:06:04
  So Joe would you like to go first on I I'm not doing this.
• 3:06:07
  No way. This isn't this?
• 3:06:09
  This is yours. This is mine.
• 3:06:11
  Yes. Okay, I because this is your
• 3:06:13
  favorite. It's titties.
• 3:06:15
  It's no secret. Everyone should.
• 3:06:17
  Everyone might meet me know this already.
• 3:06:20
  I have a big love for the ambassadors of death.
• 3:06:22
  So much got the twang. It gets its post-production.
• 3:06:27
  It's it's like okay I'll do it. Yeah, it's good.
• 3:06:31
  It's like when you know the film and Star Wars and the keep
• 3:06:34
  trying put the zoom of the lightsabers and if you don't you
• 3:06:38
  do that it doesn't work properly.
• 3:06:39
  So and yeah this this is one I adore and reserved and it was
• 3:06:44
  really difficult for me to narrow it down.
• 3:06:45
  Three reasons why I was going to put ambassadors of death so I
• 3:06:50
  didn't. And I thought how many am I
• 3:06:52
  going to put give I thought, well, I could do seven.
• 3:06:56
  Seven would be easy and, you know, one for each episode.
• 3:07:00
  I thought that's probably a little bit too easy.
• 3:07:02
  Can I do double seven? Yeah, no problem, kind of triple
• 3:07:04
  seven probably. Can I do if you are 17 times 7
• 3:07:10
  possibly as well? But then to get to do.
• 3:07:14
  Yes, let us finish the Thing that we struck us was it is
• 3:07:20
  literally to the week, 55 years. Since this story, we went out.
• 3:07:24
  I'm pretty sure that was a few days ago.
• 3:07:26
  Yes, we just ended. Yeah, episode 7.
• 3:07:29
  I think they went out on the second of me in 1970 so you
• 3:07:34
  know, we're 55 years, celebrating the ambassadors of
• 3:07:37
  death. So here we'll go with the 55
• 3:07:39
  reasons. Oh, I am gonna put I'm busted as
• 3:07:44
  Twang of death float around to, and I will try and keep it brief
• 3:07:49
  story. You have 10 minutes.
• 3:07:50
  All right, let's see how quick I can get through the list of 55
• 3:07:54
  then. So number one is the, we're
• 3:07:56
  gonna start at the beginning with the opening credits, the
• 3:07:58
  ambassadors twang of death in that new way of, starting the
• 3:08:02
  show, which I think is really fantastic.
• 3:08:04
  I really copy that the ambassadors, and they didn't do
• 3:08:07
  any further because it makes ambassadors of death that little
• 3:08:10
  bit more special. Second Point number two and with
• 3:08:14
  alluded to it and Dr. In the same Lunes it's the Fantastic
• 3:08:16
  cast that story. He's got a real good cast but
• 3:08:19
  this one is superb as well. So number three is Ronaldo.
• 3:08:22
  Number four, silver shops number five, John Pitts.
• 3:08:25
  We of course, which makes number six, obviously John.
• 3:08:27
  Courtney number seven will have the Fantastic John.
• 3:08:29
  A Buneary number eight, is Michael Wisher.
• 3:08:32
  Number 9, William, Diesel, number 10 is Jeffrey.
• 3:08:35
  Tell me how did you get a job in the shore that you make?
• 3:08:41
  Number 11, Caroline, John, and we can't mention Caroline John
• 3:08:44
  at number 11 without making number 12, this Shaw's hat,
• 3:08:47
  which is fantastic in this story, of course, but it's not
• 3:08:50
  just the cast, it's not just the people, you know, perform, its
• 3:08:54
  the characters themselves. And so number 12 is the
• 3:08:58
  character of Ralph Cornish. These super cool and guy, he's
• 3:09:03
  probably the only one that gets one over.
• 3:09:05
  John put his doctor in that scene, where we say, well no,
• 3:09:08
  I'll just put all the M3 in and take the cheese and say, well,
• 3:09:11
  yes doctor, but Can't take it when the rocket explodes on the
• 3:09:14
  launch pad now Kanye's. It totally deadpan, isn't it?
• 3:09:17
  Ah, gorgeous good point. Well, me, it's so Ralph Cornish
• 3:09:21
  is a brilliant Capital. We've got Reagan as number her.
• 3:09:24
  14 is Reagan. Who is just one of the most
• 3:09:29
  brilliant villains we've ever had in Doctor, Who is so of the
• 3:09:33
  Sweeney and he's just such a and again, he's like a Suave and You
• 3:09:39
  know Sinister guy. He's got number 50 in that scene
• 3:09:43
  where he buries the bodies in the Quarry.
• 3:09:44
  He's just so cold hearted just you know, shocking them out the
• 3:09:48
  back. He's Chuck them in the back with
• 3:09:49
  the Ambassador find. Well that's gonna kill them out.
• 3:09:52
  All those stones down and number 16 is the fact he gets away with
• 3:09:56
  it. The end he doesn't get away with
• 3:09:57
  it, but he you expect him to go out in a hill of bullets.
• 3:10:00
  But no, he's alive at the end and he still sit in there,
• 3:10:03
  giving me. Oh, well, you know, cut some
• 3:10:04
  time off me prisons because I give you that idea.
• 3:10:07
  And number 17, Dr. Lennox the brilliant.
• 3:10:10
  Doctor Lennox Spotlight by sell shops.
• 3:10:12
  Just, again, the sort of scientists down on his look,
• 3:10:14
  having to get some money and he's having worked for the bad
• 3:10:16
  guys, but he knows he should be doing.
• 3:10:18
  He's doing the wrong thing and he should be doing the right
• 3:10:20
  thing, but that leads us to number 18 that wonderful mystery
• 3:10:22
  of who killed Lennox not Benton and general Carrington.
• 3:10:27
  It is General in order to talk about it for an entire hour.
• 3:10:31
  Go find that episode of a house, I think that's episode 5 of our
• 3:10:35
  comment on. How stupid can they so number 90
• 3:10:38
  and I told you said, is General Carrington this absolutely well,
• 3:10:41
  rounded character who in, you know, he's, he's the bad guy,
• 3:10:45
  he's the ultimate but, you know, he's a soul gray and
• 3:10:49
  understandable, and then number 20, that wonderful line of his.
• 3:10:53
  I did my moldy and which really, you know, highlights that number
• 3:10:58
  21 is the one that probably doesn't get talked about enough,
• 3:11:01
  which is the wonderful Bruno and the character who again is, it's
• 3:11:05
  this, this Wouldn't seems out the seasoned scientists as these
• 3:11:09
  noble men. You know, I'm a scientist, so I
• 3:11:12
  do science and I would put other scientists in.
• 3:11:14
  So, if Bruno's Italian is number 21, obviously number 22, needs
• 3:11:18
  to be Bruno titanium's accent, which is a character in its own
• 3:11:21
  right? Much, like fellow on the Terry
• 3:11:23
  Pratchett books in Mission. You father was a hamster and
• 3:11:29
  your mother smells of older berries it's fantastic and
• 3:11:33
  Number 23, I've put down as Dudley Simpsons music because
• 3:11:37
  you know, Dudley Simpson is never better than he is in this
• 3:11:41
  one. And number 24, the unit theme of
• 3:11:52
  the ambassador's reception of it, which is so cool and Lennox
• 3:12:02
  at the stairs, and the doors locked in and it's creepy as fuk
• 3:12:06
  and you're really like, you see. So and number 206 is, you know,
• 3:12:10
  which is them the Liz short Chase music, Beauty and which
• 3:12:22
  obviously, again, makes number 27 Days shows how because we
• 3:12:25
  can't mention the show without Hut, which is fantastic.
• 3:12:27
  And number 28 is Michael Ferguson's Direction.
• 3:12:30
  And let's not forget, Michael Ferguson is the one that and,
• 3:12:34
  you know, gives us the action from Havoc in which is going to
• 3:12:38
  come up in a minute where your ten sticks at scriptures in his
• 3:12:41
  outbox. That's still, I'm gonna stick a
• 3:12:43
  load of action there. So Michael Ferguson and really
• 3:12:46
  shines, he's, you know, you're talking Campfield, you see a
• 3:12:49
  camfields best directive classic, its focus.
• 3:12:51
  And number 29 is the best way. And John Pitt, we gets these big
• 3:12:56
  blue because Ferguson has learned his lesson from the
• 3:12:59
  seeds of death doom and instead of having them try to pull his
• 3:13:03
  face, but he's like realize how ridiculous that looks.
• 3:13:05
  You get a big fuck off fan and blasted in John, put his sibling
• 3:13:09
  at the G4S. Number 30 that I've come up with
• 3:13:12
  is the realism behind this because it is a fantastic.
• 3:13:15
  And, you know, it's the grit, it's the realism, nothing really
• 3:13:19
  strikes home. It just how well thought out
• 3:13:23
  this is and how the fantasy is write down and the science and
• 3:13:27
  the Sci-Fi is Right. Hi.
• 3:13:28
  So number 31, is the fact, the show that does take months to
• 3:13:31
  get the Mars and back. It's not just stick them in a
• 3:13:33
  rocket, shoot them off. Its Mars poop sevens been out
• 3:13:35
  there for ages and it's, you know, it's been six months
• 3:13:38
  coming back which is the right length of time.
• 3:13:40
  And number 32, I love how this just your episodes and episodes
• 3:13:44
  of them arguing about the fuel, you know, it's got to be the
• 3:13:46
  right fuel mix, you know, you can't just put a man in a rocket
• 3:13:49
  and blast it off straight into space.
• 3:13:50
  It's these things take time to get thought about.
• 3:13:53
  So number 33, I mention it before to the action by Havoc,
• 3:13:56
  because this is just such and this is the the sizzle reel for
• 3:14:00
  Havoc. If you like, this is the first
• 3:14:01
  real proper store we. Yeah, they get taught about in
• 3:14:04
  the field but this is where kicks off me.
• 3:14:06
  Number 35, is that wonderful Warehouse fight at the start
• 3:14:09
  where, you know, everyone's getting Shot, three times over
• 3:14:12
  and everyone's fallen over. And, you know, and Nick
• 3:14:15
  cortney's blinking, every time he shuts a gun, it shoots a gun,
• 3:14:18
  it's fantastic. It's not as good as number 35,
• 3:14:20
  which is the gas attack, where they've got helicopters coming
• 3:14:23
  in. And you guys, you've got and
• 3:14:25
  motorbikes going and then hit and production assistants.
• 3:14:28
  And and then the big chassis number 36 where Liz showrooms
• 3:14:33
  cross the wheel and get nearly chucked over.
• 3:14:35
  Which obviously we all know 37 is going to be because I've
• 3:14:38
  said, I name its number 37 years later.
• 3:14:40
  Well done. So 38 the Briggs fist fight at
• 3:14:45
  the end. Brigadier actually gets in with
• 3:14:47
  fight, and he gets to show that, you know, Nicole says, one much
• 3:14:50
  of a fighter, but he doesn't get much of an option much of a
• 3:14:52
  chance. But yeah, the Briggs in the
• 3:14:54
  trenches, he's throwing punches and shooting guns, and getting
• 3:14:56
  everything sort of there. So, that leads nicely at number
• 3:15:00
  309, I love the relationships and the character moments that
• 3:15:02
  the stories got between so many people number 40, the doctor and
• 3:15:06
  the book idea have such a warm and welcoming relationship in
• 3:15:10
  this story. There's a bit where the big
• 3:15:12
  goals the goals to shake his hand before goes into the
• 3:15:14
  rocket. There's a bit where the sit and
• 3:15:16
  having tea in his saw. She looks and Dr. Watson.
• 3:15:19
  It's unbelievable 41, though. Is the doctor, Wendell is
• 3:15:21
  because You know that again, that relationship is just so
• 3:15:27
  fantastic. It shows just how different
• 3:15:30
  account on Liz is to everyone else.
• 3:15:31
  That's the first episode where, you know, like the doctor said,
• 3:15:35
  how to get a cup of tea and you brings the cup of tea and he's
• 3:15:37
  not listening to search like thump someone the shoulders, got
• 3:15:40
  your team and you ask and what, you know, this Liz is the key
• 3:15:45
  for this number 42 is this Shore as the doctor and drive on the
• 3:15:50
  platform when she is when he's up in space and she's, you know,
• 3:15:53
  being captured, so she still drive in the plot for so much.
• 3:15:57
  In those scenes, you know, sending Linux out you know go
• 3:15:59
  and you know give you know, let me out let me the key.
• 3:16:02
  While our conquer you pushing Everything For What.
• 3:16:05
  And so for your again, it's a shortcut because that's
• 3:16:09
  fantastic. And for number 44, telling
• 3:16:11
  dicks's writing down, six is done so much right on this.
• 3:16:14
  But I love the fact that it's all credited David Whittaker.
• 3:16:17
  And I think that's just such a lovely thing to do with just,
• 3:16:19
  you know, where and you know, he's time shift.
• 3:16:24
  Guy in the shore would not going to stiffen.
• 3:16:26
  We'll pay them and we'll put his name on and we'll get someone
• 3:16:28
  else to come in and write it. But it's it's gonna go down as
• 3:16:30
  his you know, it's that same thing that lets us with them can
• 3:16:34
  feel when he has his heart attack.
• 3:16:35
  I'm going to protect this guy's reputation and I'm not gonna let
• 3:16:37
  on what's actually went on and behind the scenes.
• 3:16:40
  But number 45 has to be, you know, Michael so much of this
• 3:16:43
  and it's his plotting and, you know, kick me powder, dry and
• 3:16:47
  saloons because that's so well, plotted with the different
• 3:16:50
  elements, the, you know, the the slow introduction of the
• 3:16:53
  cellular and then the plague just mad managing the spread it
• 3:16:56
  out seven episodes. And as we've said this one can't
• 3:16:59
  be cut down because he's plotted it.
• 3:17:00
  So well, every episode has something that's key to the
• 3:17:03
  store. You just can't get rid of
• 3:17:04
  anything. It doesn't feel like set my
• 3:17:06
  episode just flies along. 46 is the ambassadors what a
• 3:17:11
  tremendous and monster. They are how well realized just
• 3:17:14
  this idea they're in a space suit in the space suit is fogged
• 3:17:18
  up with radiation. You can't see who's inside the
• 3:17:21
  space. Suit design is what was 7 and 48
• 3:17:23
  is then when they have actually come out of the suits in that's
• 3:17:26
  just that flash flash flash, flash, flash the blue of the
• 3:17:29
  blue fists and alien it's just hanging in.
• 3:17:31
  That's the only time you see the really good and clever thing
• 3:17:36
  just to barely see them and keep that sore and restrained number
• 3:17:41
  409, and is the Martian, says the ambassadors up in their
• 3:17:44
  spaceship with the Martian, Blinds To Be.
• 3:17:48
  And not the Venetian blinds at the Martian, Blaze open gloves,
• 3:17:52
  you know, giving it all the hand acting, fantastic number 50,
• 3:17:56
  we'll get in there guys. Number 50 is the cliff hangers
• 3:17:58
  because all these Cliffhangers are terrible, the old, in the
• 3:18:01
  wrong place. None of them should work, but
• 3:18:03
  every single one does because of the way it's written.
• 3:18:06
  Because of the way that everyone's just put Everything
• 3:18:08
  in the wit number 501. How many meat beans make five
• 3:18:11
  guys? Cut it open.
• 3:18:13
  Brilliant. Number 52.
• 3:18:16
  It's the reveal of Carrington at the end is the bad guy when he
• 3:18:19
  comes down and he puts the gun at the doctor?
• 3:18:20
  And it's ridiculous because we know he's a bad guy.
• 3:18:22
  He's been a bad guy in the first episode and the second episode
• 3:18:25
  just not dressed as a general. He's killed bloody Linux and
• 3:18:28
  he's come down. So it's this cliff hang out
• 3:18:30
  like, oh my God, he's the bad guy.
• 3:18:31
  We know that, it shouldn't work, but it does.
• 3:18:33
  You just buy this point? You clean forgotten have?
• 3:18:35
  That is the bad guy and number 53.
• 3:18:38
  Then is that sympathy we have for coming in at the end where,
• 3:18:41
  you know, he's beaten and he's defeated and he looks the doctor
• 3:18:44
  in the eye and he's wanting some Solace from the doctor, you
• 3:18:48
  know. And I did my mother Judy, you
• 3:18:50
  understand? And the doctor just looks and
• 3:18:51
  goes. Yes, I understand.
• 3:18:53
  You know, he gives them that kind of song, He's not a green
• 3:18:55
  with them or anything. He's just saying I understand
• 3:18:58
  about shit crazy but I understand why you've done.
• 3:19:00
  You have things and Number 54, then it is the the clues and
• 3:19:06
  credits, because we always talk about the opening credits, and
• 3:19:08
  Buster's death. We always forget to talk about
• 3:19:10
  the closing credits and it gives us the sting that sting into the
• 3:19:15
  theme tune from this. This story that's kept in, you
• 3:19:20
  know, the opening isn't, but the end is all about for having that
• 3:19:22
  sting and which leaves us with number. 55, the very last one,
• 3:19:25
  obviously has to be the great thing about this episode, which
• 3:19:29
  is Liz short, hot, So there you go.
• 3:19:32
  There is the 55 reasons. Why?
• 3:19:34
  The ambassadors of death is well fantastic.
• 3:19:36
  And just because I am, you know, the type of person that will
• 3:19:41
  see. I'm going to do 55 reasons and
• 3:19:42
  not stick to it. Number 56.
• 3:19:44
  Oh Parkside, we can start off it now.
• 3:19:48
  We can see this, we can watch this, you know, we've gone from,
• 3:19:52
  you know, such terrible quality episodes, you know, black and
• 3:19:57
  white fuzzy you know nuclear winter and to now have not on a
• 3:20:01
  pristine box set and high definition is a fantastic
• 3:20:05
  things. The fact that we can see it as
• 3:20:07
  well as we can need to celebrate and so there you go gentlemen.
• 3:20:09
  That is the embass. Ah, never that like that first
• 3:20:18
  episode, the original tapes are there.
• 3:20:20
  Oh my, you can really see how beautifully played that first
• 3:20:24
  episode. Yeah, just makes me long to see
• 3:20:27
  the rest of it like that. But yeah, right.
• 3:20:29
  All the work that's been done. It's extraordinary.
• 3:20:31
  It's fantastic. Oh yes.
• 3:20:38
  We'll just go back and we will, we edit that in Christ, that's
• 3:20:41
  one of the casualties of being friends with him.
• 3:20:43
  You know, he's not keep hearing about that fucking hat.
• 3:20:45
  All Okay then, so should we go and see who else has got
• 3:20:50
  anything? Nice to see about it?
• 3:20:54
  Is there anything left to say? Find out.
• 3:20:59
  And right, I'll kick off. Then with Mr. Signs, Jason
• 3:21:03
  Thompson. Took me a while to warm up with
• 3:21:06
  this one, but damn, it's good, isn't it?
• 3:21:08
  Yes. There's a space Enthusiast.
• 3:21:11
  This probably has the most realistic depiction of space
• 3:21:13
  missions. Very topical at the time with
• 3:21:15
  the polo 11 or a few months prior and a Apollo 13 happening
• 3:21:19
  smack in the middle. But this also shows why you
• 3:21:21
  don't necessarily want that The seven pots structure allows time
• 3:21:25
  for the lengthy scenes of we, and Mission Control readouts,
• 3:21:27
  but it's not always as dramatically tense as it should
• 3:21:29
  be. The first two episodes are
• 3:21:32
  basically have a show Wheels as the big fight scenes, look,
• 3:21:34
  fantastic, but don't Advance the plot one bit.
• 3:21:36
  It takes the doctor less time, it was the stone and spacecraft
• 3:21:39
  using Bessie as a trap. Then it took the Commando team
• 3:21:42
  with helicopters and vehicles in the first place.
• 3:21:45
  Keep James. Happy birthday says the most
• 3:21:48
  Bruce Lee real Doctor, Who's story ever.
• 3:21:50
  And I'm desperate to say the Fallout from it, every character
• 3:21:53
  feels real. Even if they're accents are.
• 3:21:55
  And it's basically the doctor versus England for the English
• 3:21:58
  and moral duty, keep, and preserve as a warning for when
• 3:22:03
  we make contact. A matte Foy.
• 3:22:07
  Why was this all supposed to be rubbish?
• 3:22:09
  It's brilliant. Despite being a mix of civil
• 3:22:11
  rights as ideas, the premises, excellent.
• 3:22:13
  The aliens visually stunning Carrington, a flawed xenophobe.
• 3:22:17
  Rather than villain in Reagan is a great AE bastard.
• 3:22:20
  All this plus cereal shops and Liz's hat.
• 3:22:23
  John Hall, says, for the longest time, ambassadors was my least
• 3:22:28
  favorite, poetry story. Thanks for its convoluted
• 3:22:30
  conspiracy plots, which makes the regulars look like idiots
• 3:22:34
  and the shoddy black and white film prints that we Americans
• 3:22:37
  had to live with back in the 1980s.
• 3:22:39
  When, so if you put, we stories survived in color however, age
• 3:22:44
  and increasingly successful tends to color restoration have
• 3:22:48
  greatly increased, my appreciation of this story, I'll
• 3:22:51
  never have the love for it. That Toby has and so many
• 3:22:55
  others. He is quite right that this
• 3:22:58
  something inherently on Noble about this story.
• 3:23:01
  But Bravo for trying, Daniel, warnsley Or doctor who does
• 3:23:09
  James Bond? The poop were years reputation
• 3:23:12
  for auction properly starts here with the doctor as Chief
• 3:23:15
  negotiator between Mankind and monsters.
• 3:23:17
  Huge turnaround from trout. Launching ice Warriors in the
• 3:23:20
  sun, Caroline, John and Nicholas Courtney are so great in this
• 3:23:26
  oh, Quinn says, finally, we know what happened to dominate a Rago
• 3:23:30
  after he escaped, his abusive relationship from Toba and the
• 3:23:34
  sex droids, and before he took refuge in a motel in East
• 3:23:38
  Midlands, Who was busy? Paul Dunn says this is the last
• 3:23:45
  whose story I ever saw because fan law told me it was dull.
• 3:23:49
  It's not, it's my favorite of the season.
• 3:23:51
  Probably the biggest Neil, homage of the four.
• 3:23:54
  Again, it's long, but keeps on moving Ferguson's, direction is
• 3:23:57
  great and gives the location action scenes.
• 3:23:59
  Welly Fanfare Fanfare. Big Orange Michael says, would
• 3:24:05
  be the best of the season in just about any other season.
• 3:24:07
  Mark, Holt saves the shows bacon.
• 3:24:10
  The Third Doctor is absolute best here solving every issue
• 3:24:13
  with Panache and style. The incidental music is so good.
• 3:24:17
  Keep it. Oh I'm loving this.
• 3:24:19
  Love for the ambassadors of this group, isn't it?
• 3:24:21
  It's fantastic. Oscar Groucho, I'm not the one
• 3:24:25
  who usually engages in hyperbole but this is magnificent a
• 3:24:28
  chillingly. Simple premise, beautifully
• 3:24:30
  played with the alien. Astronauts the standout, Eerie
• 3:24:33
  monster design of the season one great set piece after another
• 3:24:36
  filled with the best iconography of the season, a jolly good set
• 3:24:40
  of Cliffhangers too blend. Fitzgerald's and bastards is a
• 3:24:44
  story, I never think about watching.
• 3:24:45
  It's one that floats out there somewhere until I find it again.
• 3:24:49
  And I remember it's not actually that bad not great but not that
• 3:24:53
  the doctor in space with no Tardis and zombie like
• 3:24:56
  astronauts pretty mediocre but a keeper for me.
• 3:25:02
  Oh yeah seeing a bit of a downtick yo by Ewan Morris.
• 3:25:06
  Not my fear of it sorry to be but considering it is it bubbles
• 3:25:10
  along and there's a specialty enjoyable when viewed one
• 3:25:13
  episode at a time as intended I yes it really is.
• 3:25:16
  It overnight on unit being stupid, even for units.
• 3:25:20
  But plenty of fun to be hard. You are.
• 3:25:23
  Thank you. Bang on about this story while I
• 3:25:25
  know, I didn't know, I had this recordation.
• 3:25:27
  Michael storms, says weakest of the Season, not that no doubt
• 3:25:32
  because of its trouble Journey to the screen.
• 3:25:34
  Plenty of memorable set pieces, but it does feel like a lot of
• 3:25:37
  them are there to trade water. However, the story is fairly
• 3:25:40
  solid and the direction is top notch.
• 3:25:44
  Well, kressa says, I first saw this as a Realty black and white
• 3:25:47
  pirate VHS and I'm not gonna lie, it was a slog to get
• 3:25:50
  through. Unfortunately, despite the other
• 3:25:52
  Improvement picture quality, I still can't shake that initial
• 3:25:55
  feeling and I just find it too. Slow Liz and her hat is still
• 3:26:00
  great though. Wonderful Luke Sims Jenkins says
• 3:26:03
  action packed great set pieces, twists and turns and Caroline.
• 3:26:08
  John in Boots. I love the music in this one
• 3:26:11
  too. A floating good time.
• 3:26:15
  And so, the intelligent John Arnold says, I'm busted.
• 3:26:18
  As is an unsurprising mess of a script.
• 3:26:20
  The production means you rarely notice, abania is Noble, but
• 3:26:25
  thoroughly misguided. General Carrington is one of the
• 3:26:27
  great antagonists in who all smile.
• 3:26:30
  Another almost perfect Story. Each episode adds a layer to the
• 3:26:34
  plot. You cannot take your eyes off of
• 3:26:36
  it. The location work again.
• 3:26:37
  Is superb. The Cliffhangers you formerly?
• 3:26:40
  Excellent. Another classic.
• 3:26:43
  All Arthur can see why lots of people like ambassadors.
• 3:26:46
  The personally, I tend to lose interest after the first couple
• 3:26:49
  of episodes, it's definitely the weakest of the four stories, but
• 3:26:53
  I would still want to keep it Daniel Knight my favorite of the
• 3:26:56
  season, a revelation after it was dismissed by proxy received
• 3:27:00
  fam, wisdom, quite a few people have said that, haven't they?
• 3:27:03
  They've been turned off this, by by the great fan, wisdom,
• 3:27:06
  brilliant Direction, performance is some final location work, and
• 3:27:09
  action sequences to specially the episode 3 Cliffhanger, plus
• 3:27:13
  the awesomeness of w Simpson's best musical score and Liz
• 3:27:18
  Shaw's. That's just the message of the
• 3:27:21
  story. Really is just don't listen to
• 3:27:24
  fans. Go meet you.
• 3:27:25
  Yeah, that's the moral it is. It's a one we can all take away
• 3:27:33
  and learn from Anthony Carroll says, it's the weakest one for
• 3:27:36
  me. Forgive me.
• 3:27:37
  Toby feels too long and mishmash of a few plots and a miracle
• 3:27:43
  units sold. Are you I must be, I had no idea
• 3:27:49
  anybody listened to anything I said.
• 3:27:51
  So I didn't know, I didn't know that people.
• 3:27:53
  People knew I liked it but there we go.
• 3:27:56
  Well, it's nice. It's nice to be nice.
• 3:27:58
  It's nice to be remembered for something.
• 3:27:59
  Don't what? Ambassadors of death, you know,
• 3:28:02
  David GP says, the ambassadors twang of death is bloody
• 3:28:07
  marvellous laid conspiracy Thriller with added aliens.
• 3:28:10
  Doctors reaction to Karen at the end.
• 3:28:13
  Not condemning the man. Perhaps understanding him shows
• 3:28:16
  a series of mature for the 70s. Last but not least, we have the
• 3:28:20
  lovely Jewish or who comes in the sea.
• 3:28:23
  Ambassadors is a great Cold War paranoise store in beautifully
• 3:28:26
  filmed. And the best hot ever.
• 3:28:30
  Bloody. Oh okay.
• 3:28:36
  There to describe as a stump man, right?
• 3:28:39
  it's why it's there is not as important as what it does.
• 3:28:46
  Well, it is there. So, And Pete.
• 3:28:52
  Pete Lambert. What did you think of the
• 3:28:54
  ambassadors reception? Was it in you?
• 3:28:56
  It's all right. Um, this one is this is what is
• 3:29:03
  in my mid-range of I don't tears.
• 3:29:06
  I first saw this and possibly impacted but I'm not getting
• 3:29:10
  anyone else told me anything. I don't know.
• 3:29:11
  I don't know. Anyone else's opinion was but
• 3:29:13
  when I first saw it, it was, it was a long play VHS copy,
• 3:29:18
  supposedly in color and just veering all over the place.
• 3:29:21
  And I just spent three hours developing a headache, while
• 3:29:24
  that baby going and going and going.
• 3:29:28
  I didn't see his hat. So that was probably a factor
• 3:29:32
  every time everyone watched it since it's got up and got up and
• 3:29:35
  got up, I'm still not madly in love with it.
• 3:29:38
  It doesn't have that gear shift that Inferno and both have to
• 3:29:43
  shift the tempo or you know would be going to parallel or
• 3:29:47
  whatever. A Lizzie's locked up in a
• 3:29:51
  basement for about five episodes and escapes twice.
• 3:29:54
  And then goes back again. It does have my one of my
• 3:29:57
  favorite bits one but there's plenty to love that.
• 3:29:59
  I'm not, this isn't me crushing it, but this is about negative
• 3:30:02
  that I was like, okay, but I love there's a bit where
• 3:30:06
  particularly when Liz is escaping from the bunker and
• 3:30:08
  they're really jazzy music, playing, and she's running along
• 3:30:09
  and then we cut to totally and just going, you are being most
• 3:30:14
  insulting that is a pristine do smash cut moment.
• 3:30:20
  I do love a bit of a smash cut once in a while and the doctor's
• 3:30:24
  like you were being continually obstructive.
• 3:30:26
  So I do enjoy their arguing, the space bits.
• 3:30:30
  I know it's realistic but it's so slow.
• 3:30:32
  Like, and the part then, you got, we've got Dudley doing is
• 3:30:36
  doing his wife. Shade of Pale house.
• 3:30:39
  Did not like the Hamlet music I do.
• 3:30:41
  Yes. So that that does me.
• 3:30:44
  So I'm saying I do like it, but it doesn't blame a socks off.
• 3:30:47
  But yeah. So I don't Fast enough to get me
• 3:30:49
  driven out with sticks. It depends.
• 3:30:53
  It depends. The big question is are you
• 3:30:54
  going to put us through or in it?
• 3:30:55
  No, I'm still putting it through put it.
• 3:30:57
  Well yes. Oh yeah, it's perfectly good.
• 3:30:59
  It was still love you. Then there will be no sticks for
• 3:31:03
  you this evening and then Pete Lambert and Eddie.
• 3:31:06
  Okay? Yeah.
• 3:31:08
  Sorry I just thought it sounded out after 56 reasons.
• 3:31:11
  Now you know how far am I right? Yeah.
• 3:31:18
  So firstly I have heard anyone mention this yet.
• 3:31:21
  It's probably our 56 threes and I don't think anyone's mentioned
• 3:31:26
  the trailer they did for it. Oh yes, no, that's true.
• 3:31:30
  Yeah, I really enjoyed the trailer they did for it.
• 3:31:33
  Actually makes it seem tense and gripping.
• 3:31:35
  Well, make that 57 Charles. Somebody has kidnapped.
• 3:31:39
  Liz sure he Is great. It's just the voice yet.
• 3:31:45
  I and I just remember the voice of the Angel saying, doctor in
• 3:31:48
  the ambassadors of death and night at whatever time on BBC
• 3:31:52
  One. And just a shot of the embass,
• 3:31:55
  the walking down with some oh I love that Ferguson shot, isn't
• 3:32:00
  it? Yeah, and you're listening, I
• 3:32:04
  mentioned the direction, you know, she was trying to keep it
• 3:32:06
  brief. Yeah that really loves that
• 3:32:11
  shot, one of my favorites in the season and then yeah, like if I
• 3:32:16
  can think of a video it's like I just feel like how they're all.
• 3:32:20
  So I've just sort of this on the spot was like I just feel like
• 3:32:24
  how they also seeming. Oh yeah, so many people have
• 3:32:27
  already been to Mars at this point.
• 3:32:30
  Well, I thought there's a British Space Program.
• 3:32:32
  Yeah, it's like and then every other math story have after wash
• 3:32:37
  them out. It's like, oh, there's no
• 3:32:38
  account of any other mask. Oh, boy, based one, is the first
• 3:32:43
  mission ever meanwhile. The seven miles Pros.
• 3:32:46
  My actual said, we can save it those like, I just really like
• 3:32:51
  the ambassadors in the space suits.
• 3:32:54
  Yeah, they just really intriguing.
• 3:32:57
  It's like I like that. This no other doctor who wants
• 3:33:00
  to quite like them. They're not even monsters.
• 3:33:04
  They just they just come in pee. Yeah, there's lots of love about
• 3:33:09
  it. It's what was about Inferno, you
• 3:33:13
  know, and having sticks sticking his fingers up with Mark up and
• 3:33:16
  saying, well, okay, if that's what you're going to see if
• 3:33:17
  we're gonna do nearly Invasion, we'll do it.
• 3:33:19
  But the aliens on actually invaded the awkward coming here
• 3:33:21
  to make friends. So, and there's that element and
• 3:33:24
  I just think that the quietness, you know, the never speak, the
• 3:33:28
  just troops along that people. With radiation.
• 3:33:32
  It's it really Sinister really scary, you know so they started
• 3:33:35
  a trend as well. You know.
• 3:33:36
  They do that sort of thing with the hand now.
• 3:33:38
  Oh, fucking doing it in the publicity pitch.
• 3:33:40
  That's all right. Yeah, Blazers DVD cover is just
• 3:33:44
  them with their hands out in the doctor doing or his typical
• 3:33:48
  jumper. We shocked face.
• 3:33:50
  It's a great image though. Isn't it with that?
• 3:33:52
  Yeah, it really is. Yeah.
• 3:33:54
  I it's probably like probably one of my favorite death covers,
• 3:34:01
  I would say my one of my favorite scenes in seven but
• 3:34:05
  Seasons Heaven. If we count the spearheads
• 3:34:07
  special edition is just all My favorite desk covers gorgeous
• 3:34:13
  and yes, if it was not with ready, put it through, there's a
• 3:34:17
  very funny in the wall. It's several moments where Katie
• 3:34:21
  Manning and Matthew was talking in the sofa.
• 3:34:24
  She's convinced that one Ambassador, they asked her
• 3:34:28
  hands. One of them is Giant and one of
• 3:34:29
  his Matthew was trying to go to a know that has just closer to
• 3:34:33
  the camera and she is watching you and it's just amazed me that
• 3:34:44
  and every episode they were going oh it might this be the
• 3:34:48
  one with my ex-boyfriend in it. Right.
• 3:34:53
  And that is a through for Eddie, then and Joe are you gonna put
• 3:34:58
  us through? What are you gonna keep it to
• 3:34:59
  your polish box, opinion of well bin my policy.
• 3:35:04
  But wow, totally was traitorous and betrayed my good friend Cam
• 3:35:08
  and then ended up siding with Toby.
• 3:35:10
  I think, you know what? I think about this, you know, I
• 3:35:12
  just couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it.
• 3:35:14
  I like tried really hard to find Dusty corners of the ambassadors
• 3:35:18
  of dictator size. And I remember you, when you
• 3:35:21
  message me and I said I was doing it, and you were like, oh
• 3:35:23
  yeah, good luck Toby's got a murder.
• 3:35:25
  You in that one, I was like, thank you very much for your
• 3:35:28
  face in me crazy Gregory. I mean, what the hell, can I add
• 3:35:32
  to your 505 and your wonderful points there already?
• 3:35:35
  Yeah, I'm sorry and you're wonderful points.
• 3:35:39
  Ah, so I'll just say there are several, I think the direction
• 3:35:45
  of this is one of the most stunningly.
• 3:35:47
  Directed Doctor, Who Stories, the Dutch angles on the guns in
• 3:35:50
  the battle fire, the slow motion attack on the astronaut, you
• 3:35:54
  know, when he comes out of the hatch in episode 1 absolutely
• 3:35:58
  terrifying and he's upside down to come up.
• 3:36:01
  So don't let me know. Write an interesting way of
• 3:36:05
  shooting. It will do it the Ambassador
• 3:36:06
  silhouette by the sun. Like you said, Eddie, I love the
• 3:36:09
  handheld camera workers. The Brigadier is being marched
• 3:36:12
  out of space control in the last episode, that weird those weird,
• 3:36:15
  staccato, close-ups that you talked about race, when the
• 3:36:18
  helmet comes on the ambassadors. It's just amazingly good folks
• 3:36:23
  and directed what four stories? They're all brilliantly
• 3:36:25
  directed, but this this is Showcase, right?
• 3:36:29
  This is it. This would go as his wife, watch
• 3:36:31
  this, here's what I can do with no fucking money.
• 3:36:34
  Well actually know what didn't terrorist say.
• 3:36:37
  You wrote a very simple you know.
• 3:36:39
  Capture the probe sequence. That sounds very boring.
• 3:36:44
  I'm gonna do that. Oh, get me a helicopter.
• 3:36:47
  I'm too motorcycles and a load of bombs.
• 3:36:49
  Let's go. I've just had the music again.
• 3:36:53
  I think it's one of the best scores.
• 3:36:55
  I love the theme of paranoia in this as well.
• 3:36:59
  It's definitely something that's worth exploring.
• 3:37:01
  I don't know if we ever go into the details really enough.
• 3:37:06
  And again, it's a very X-Files idea is, yeah, of being afraid
• 3:37:11
  of what's out there, but just the fact that they go here, how
• 3:37:15
  far will you go to discredit to embarrass to destroy something?
• 3:37:20
  Just because you Theory, and you don't understand it.
• 3:37:23
  And I just love the fact that he's gonna put them on TV.
• 3:37:27
  Yeah, it's supposed to the whole world, Carrington's amazing.
• 3:37:31
  It's such a universal theme. Paranoia and doctor, who doesn't
• 3:37:35
  cover it enough really? So it's well, I was just about
• 3:37:38
  to say 55 years. Don't the name of Lucky death.
• 3:37:40
  Yeah. I would just popped into my head
• 3:37:42
  as well like that. Like now I think about it.
• 3:37:46
  Comrade reminds me so much of caring in the fact that oh he
• 3:37:49
  wants to expose all the lies. On midnight, to be fair
• 3:37:53
  midnight, absolutely deals with paranoia.
• 3:37:55
  But yeah, midnight sucks. We got some basing.
• 3:37:58
  What is wrong with you coming out tomorrow?
• 3:38:02
  Listen to that and find out. Yeah, Jesus Christ.
• 3:38:04
  Be scared. Although John Arnold.
• 3:38:06
  Is there talking good sense to be fair?
• 3:38:07
  Oh, one talking good. Thanks.
• 3:38:09
  Put it through. Its extraordinary.
• 3:38:12
  It's seven episodes of. Oh, the most delicious
• 3:38:16
  delectable television you're ever gonna watch.
• 3:38:18
  It makes me feel like a real man with all those guns being shot
• 3:38:22
  about the place. Okay.
• 3:38:24
  And started to see if you to be. I mean it's I'm not really sure
• 3:38:28
  where you're starting with this one.
• 3:38:29
  I'm not really heard much about. Do you know that you're a fan of
• 3:38:32
  quit. I must.
• 3:38:33
  What do you think of this one? Well, yes.
• 3:38:36
  I like creative Mass. Very much and if you want to
• 3:38:38
  know how much you can well, look, I mean, I've banged on
• 3:38:44
  about the ambassadors of death in very other places.
• 3:38:46
  So, I don't want to be too repetitious, but I would like to
• 3:38:50
  thank it for being for coming to my life at a time.
• 3:38:53
  When I was probably getting a bit blase about watching old
• 3:38:57
  Doctor Who I, you know, I'd collected all the ones I really
• 3:39:00
  wanted to collect and I would have been no hurry to collect
• 3:39:02
  this because it was one of the two perks.
• 3:39:04
  We stories, we allowed to be rude about the other one being
• 3:39:06
  invasion of the Dinosaurs, the part where is otherwise
• 3:39:09
  unimpeachable. And, but this one, it was you're
• 3:39:13
  allowed to say it was a bit over long and slightly confused and,
• 3:39:16
  and it had that the received wisdom and I'd actually found a
• 3:39:19
  lot of the period, a bit disappointing on first viewing,
• 3:39:22
  because I had expected it to be like the target novels and the
• 3:39:25
  movies in my head. And I'm much fonder now of the
• 3:39:29
  of the quaint, if you like put Weir that follows this, the than
• 3:39:34
  I was when I first discovered it.
• 3:39:36
  But we're not talking about that.
• 3:39:37
  We're talking about this. This I came into with low
• 3:39:40
  expectations. If the friend of mine that
• 3:39:42
  showed it to me said, oh no I must have death is brilliant.
• 3:39:44
  I was like what are you talking about?
• 3:39:45
  It's supposed to be this confused mess and he showed me
• 3:39:49
  the first two minutes and I was just like this is incredible.
• 3:39:53
  And and what the first version of it, I saw But no, I did see
• 3:40:01
  the color episode one and the rest all in black and white.
• 3:40:03
  And then a bit later on, I got, oh, the Black and White episodes
• 3:40:07
  with the rainbow color and then I got the video with the black
• 3:40:10
  and white and bits of color, and then I got the restored, but
• 3:40:13
  still has it. And I've only just got a new
• 3:40:16
  television. I've only just got a television.
• 3:40:18
  I'm not a television for 10 years.
• 3:40:19
  I've had a projector and I've got a sexy new television that I
• 3:40:22
  had to save up for and get in the sales.
• 3:40:23
  And I've been holding off on the new version of ambassadors death
• 3:40:27
  to watch on the Telly. And I haven't had a chance to
• 3:40:29
  yet, because I've only just really set it up.
• 3:40:31
  So that's a joy. I have to come but so As yet
• 3:40:37
  because I understand it's beautiful.
• 3:40:39
  My number one thing because I'm going to try not to mention and
• 3:40:43
  it's a, it's a measure of the story that somebody has done 55
• 3:40:46
  things. And then other people have done
• 3:40:48
  things that I'm still gonna try and do any number of the
• 3:40:52
  wonderful things that have been mentioned and I was so close.
• 3:40:54
  You were getting, you were in your 50s before you did cut it
• 3:40:57
  open. I was like, damn, I didn't do
• 3:41:01
  that. I thought well, at least I've
• 3:41:02
  got the secrets where it kills Max Faulkner and it's in
• 3:41:04
  silhouette. Oh no, it is brought that up.
• 3:41:06
  So a chipping away, all the ones I had in reserve, the judge her
• 3:41:09
  in close ups. Oh, as well as all the ones that
• 3:41:12
  you mentioned in your initial 505 and I wouldn't have chosen.
• 3:41:16
  This show said that actually is wonderful, but just to be
• 3:41:20
  controversial, it's perfect, but but the first thing for me, is
• 3:41:25
  the fact that it is, it is always been amazing and a
• 3:41:31
  revelation to me, but it's a revelation to me every time I
• 3:41:33
  watch it because it's slightly unreachable, I think.
• 3:41:35
  Dudley Simpson score is mysterious which adds to that,
• 3:41:38
  but the fact that the picture quality is never quite coalesced
• 3:41:41
  into what we get from other stories, the fact that when one
• 3:41:44
  was watching through black and white or that the haze of that
• 3:41:47
  sort of dancing Kaleidoscope, that sort of, was like a weird
• 3:41:51
  sort of goals between us and and you know what the picture should
• 3:41:55
  have been meant that that deliberately Sort of slightly
• 3:41:59
  strange looking alien. That was not quite the right
• 3:42:05
  shape or size and you couldn't quite see you couldn't quite
• 3:42:08
  make it out slightly pixelated, it's not quite hung onto That's
• 3:42:11
  that's there with the story anyway but then history has sort
• 3:42:15
  of kindly given us another layer to make it just as Untouchable
• 3:42:19
  and oblique and all of that which which seems wildly
• 3:42:22
  appropriate. One of the things I love about
• 3:42:23
  Dr. Is the archeology and suddenly finding a picture of
• 3:42:26
  that character or getting a better quality bit of that clip.
• 3:42:29
  And and you can see it all the new and all the fresh and I feel
• 3:42:32
  like every time I've watched down, bassadors, that is
• 3:42:34
  happening. And I've seen ambassadors a lot
• 3:42:36
  and more than a lot of stories and yet, still it surprises me,
• 3:42:39
  there's still bits. That seems like this strange and
• 3:42:41
  slightly unreachable so we'll never quite be Sort of two known
• 3:42:47
  or knowable and I love that about it.
• 3:42:49
  It has a unique, it has a uniqueness that I think is
• 3:42:53
  adorable and that is not just to do with the story in the way it
• 3:42:57
  shorter, it complements that but it's to do with the way that we
• 3:43:00
  have it and that it has been mended and that it has come back
• 3:43:03
  to us and and even the way that it was reported back in the day
• 3:43:06
  which was slightly accurate and slightly grudging and it meant
• 3:43:09
  that nobody really thought about it too much.
• 3:43:12
  So I like that that sort of like there in the corner of our eye
• 3:43:15
  and it but that does mean it saddens me.
• 3:43:17
  Every time the rappers and ambassadors frequently comes in
• 3:43:20
  last and I do understand why apps, it's not people's favorite
• 3:43:25
  but I I and I'm always a bit unsure when people give personal
• 3:43:30
  reasons for for liking a story. Like, you know, I watched it
• 3:43:33
  while I was getting a French Kiss by Reese with a spoon and
• 3:43:36
  you know, balls cut by Uma Thurman was.
• 3:43:39
  Somebody was beating me banana ice cream and as a friend was
• 3:43:43
  saying to me only the other day. And you go out, that's nothing
• 3:43:48
  to do with a story. But the way I came to this meant
• 3:43:52
  that it's just constantly rewarded me.
• 3:43:55
  I'm going to try and mention things that haven't been
• 3:43:57
  mentioned. So the Cliffhangers of rightly
• 3:44:00
  been mentioned but not the Cliffhanger to episode zero.
• 3:44:03
  This story starts sexy. Something took off from Mars.
• 3:44:08
  Oh, you're in like Flynn banging away and it ends with pillow
• 3:44:15
  talk, I do understand, it was your moral duty.
• 3:44:17
  Ah, it's so hot. So, yeah, I love something.
• 3:44:20
  It's a, it's a, it's a cold open before we did cold opens.
• 3:44:24
  Yeah. And and leads us into the
• 3:44:26
  marvelous but that has been covered of the ambassadors
• 3:44:28
  trying it. But the way the story opens
• 3:44:31
  immediately makes you sit up and go oh, this one's hot.
• 3:44:34
  Give me more very similar to space Action.
• 3:44:39
  Baby Through The Eyes of a TV. Oh, and I suppose, oh, I could
• 3:44:45
  choose anything. From somebody.
• 3:44:47
  Remembers you to make a list to any number of people but I think
• 3:44:54
  I'll chose them because it's not been mentioned or they're
• 3:44:57
  Regan's making. Lists is very cool.
• 3:44:58
  Region is very cool but not touches upon something that has
• 3:45:01
  been chosen. General character also.
• 3:45:03
  Oh, pretty well. So one of I gotta choose between
• 3:45:06
  two, I thought I would be stuck with the star.
• 3:45:08
  I'm gonna sew with an honorable mention to just a bit at the end
• 3:45:10
  before they capture Reagan where they knock out the door and he's
• 3:45:14
  not sure. Or did he Powell?
• 3:45:15
  I think it's did he Powell it might be no shit.
• 3:45:18
  It doesn't matter. Runs up the stairs and the
• 3:45:20
  Brigade is shoots himself, backwards, down the stairs.
• 3:45:22
  They could have just come in, but it's a cool way to make a
• 3:45:28
  song and dance about it. It's just this is what happens
• 3:45:31
  in this show. Not for like just I can care
• 3:45:37
  about Ferguson being in the Premier League.
• 3:45:38
  Well, I have to say all of the directors, this season are
• 3:45:41
  A-list Doctor Who directors? They all do it.
• 3:45:44
  Absolutely phenomenal job. And I like the way because it
• 3:45:48
  feels I feel beholden to to end. I think on John.
• 3:45:54
  I've been airing. I love the way when he talks
• 3:45:57
  about, why he did, why he's doing it?
• 3:45:59
  When he says they killed Jim and then he sort of straightens up a
• 3:46:03
  little bit and goes, Jim, Daniels fellow astronaut and
• 3:46:05
  that, that is him in a nutshell because he's there, remembering
• 3:46:09
  watching his friend, die Jim. And then he almost delivers it
• 3:46:12
  like a report because he's talking to the doctor and he's,
• 3:46:15
  and he is still a general and he's, you know, trying to be
• 3:46:17
  formal and and rationalize his Prejudice or the fact that this
• 3:46:22
  is all, you know, he's fixating on a nightmare that he keeps
• 3:46:25
  remembering but I sort of in his report going.
• 3:46:27
  Yeah, I will acknowledge Jim Daniels fellow astronaut it's
• 3:46:30
  the way that it's written. That that bit is slightly
• 3:46:31
  formal. But the way that a binary sort
• 3:46:34
  of changes, the texture of his delivery from talking about his
• 3:46:37
  friend, being killed in front of him, to filing the report about
• 3:46:40
  his colleague, who is missing in action or whatever is just a
• 3:46:43
  subtle lovely bit of detail in. A story that's full of subtle.
• 3:46:47
  Lovely bits of detail, amongst, lots of beautiful bangs and
• 3:46:50
  flashes as well. It is a story that I went into
• 3:46:54
  with very low expectations or I imagined To be one where low
• 3:46:59
  expectations would be at the order of the day, and it's
• 3:47:02
  constantly thrilled surprised. And delighted me.
• 3:47:05
  It's a banger. I'm in front of that bin machine
• 3:47:08
  gun in one hand, big hammer in another and and a bloody
• 3:47:14
  flamethrower for a dick. So yeah, that's another 10 out
• 3:47:23
  of 10 in a seats. I thought I was gonna be unusual
• 3:47:25
  when I agreed to do this. I thought I'm going to be pesky.
• 3:47:28
  Joe's gonna hate me. I am sticking nothing in the bin
• 3:47:30
  and there is nothing in season 7 going in.
• 3:47:32
  I think they're all probably 10 out of 10s but certainly this
• 3:47:37
  one is and yeah I absolutely love the ambassadors of death.
• 3:47:43
  It is a stone cold classic everyone.
• 3:47:47
  I suppose she didn't say he had like some sort of like Alcatraz
• 3:47:51
  level of guarding on that bed. It is well, so lots of flame
• 3:47:56
  thrower Dixon. Alcatraz Everybody talks about
• 3:48:00
  that, rightly talks about that amazing ending with the doctor
• 3:48:03
  forgiving Karen, but like focus on is so good about the story is
• 3:48:07
  over. The doctor is leaving, it could
• 3:48:09
  just end it. No, he does a long shot with
• 3:48:12
  everybody in it and they're really sophisticated special
• 3:48:15
  effects. Like we're gonna go out with a
• 3:48:18
  bang, baby. What's so good?
• 3:48:21
  The real ending is just Dr. Hugo, and we used to say,
• 3:48:24
  alright, we're done. No, he's lazy, trust, that
• 3:48:30
  little clean up. It's fine, I'm off.
• 3:48:34
  Bye. But this time, I won't shake
• 3:48:37
  your hands because that would cause me a bit of trouble.
• 3:48:40
  Now, he probably kill me, but I really want to get in the back
• 3:48:45
  of that. Hey, how van with Reagan, you
• 3:48:47
  know? Oh gorgeous.
• 3:48:48
  I've got that on a t-shirt. Okay.
• 3:48:51
  Oh, you read everything. I just said, well, no, I mean if
• 3:48:57
  you were in the back of the van with him, and I'll be dead by
• 3:49:00
  the astronauts, or not? Well, no, you'd say it's he'd
• 3:49:04
  say, I'm gonna tell you what. I want you to do with me right
• 3:49:07
  Reagan. And he'd go here, he goes, Joe,
• 3:49:09
  make a list. That would be enough.
• 3:49:13
  Yeah, Right. Are we all okay, the power on?
• 3:49:18
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 3:49:19
  We nearly done. Nearly done.
• 3:49:21
  Yeah, we still got those three. We still got this other comments
• 3:49:24
  for you. Oh shit.
• 3:49:25
  I forgot about that, right? We could do this.
• 3:49:31
  So in a move, which will surprise, absolutely.
• 3:49:34
  Nobody all four stories from season 7 have went through
• 3:49:37
  around 2 before we get to that particular bit of the show, we
• 3:49:42
  have got one last round of comments, overall comments to
• 3:49:46
  get through. So, Take it away, guys.
• 3:49:49
  I believe I was next. Again you won't you up to Paul
• 3:49:53
  Ed? This is very easy.
• 3:49:55
  One to go with one the best seasons of the classic here.
• 3:49:59
  I think we've come to that conclusion.
• 3:50:00
  Yes, doctor who gets retooled as a Sci-Fi Action Adventure,
• 3:50:07
  series quite a mass Meets, the Avengers meets James Bond, a
• 3:50:11
  massive shake-up of the series that paid off beautifully.
• 3:50:13
  One of the few perfect seasons of Doctor Who there is not a
• 3:50:17
  single bad story among them. That we make a brilliant.
• 3:50:20
  First impression, swerve, dashing, flamboyant prickly
• 3:50:24
  charming and so damn cool. Glenn Fitzgerald says, season 7
• 3:50:29
  overall is a delightful mixture of Science Fiction, and horror,
• 3:50:32
  and some campus thrown in for good measure.
• 3:50:34
  The start of a lot of Earthbound stories with the Dandy doctor
• 3:50:37
  and we finally get to see just how shabby and Tatty that is
• 3:50:40
  prop is in glorious color. Love it.
• 3:50:43
  It's green. Didn't mention that Waze is and
• 3:50:45
  groans. Doesn't it consoles green, it's
• 3:50:48
  official. And Paul says, undeniably
• 3:50:52
  brilliant, John hits the floor, right?
• 3:50:55
  And all four stories are exceptionally solid actually
• 3:50:58
  think you have a hard time bending any of them?
• 3:51:00
  Well, look what we've done now, but despite that, I personally
• 3:51:03
  prefer the Cozy unit of later years, I find, I really need to
• 3:51:07
  be in the right mood to watch this run.
• 3:51:11
  Oh well that Daniel Knight says, I don't think there's a more
• 3:51:15
  consistent run in classic or modern who despite being a
• 3:51:19
  period of uncertainty including the producer abating out.
• 3:51:21
  After the first story, this is all of an exceptionally high
• 3:51:26
  standard. Put we as his best ably
• 3:51:28
  supported by Caroline John and Nicholas caught me.
• 3:51:32
  Rob Valentine says a great season.
• 3:51:35
  That casts a long Shadow, it's Saturday time, quite a mass
• 3:51:38
  starring The Love Child of John Steed and Adam Adam hunt funny
• 3:51:41
  to think it's technically a product of the 1960s but
• 3:51:44
  fascinating, how far away it is from the show Ian and Barbara
• 3:51:46
  wandered into, I love spearhead Solutions and Inferno, maybe
• 3:51:50
  spearhead the most, but struggle with ambassadors, a little, you
• 3:51:53
  know, you're not alone, but we are the sorry, the Poetry era
• 3:51:56
  idea of being in the English Countryside.
• 3:51:58
  Never more than six feet away from a top secret experimental
• 3:52:02
  Research Center is endlessly in chanting, what's a appropriate,
• 3:52:06
  quite a mass sound effect or? Yeah, every time somebody
• 3:52:10
  mentioned it in this episode, I'm gonna oh yeah I think every
• 3:52:16
  time someone says the word equation Matthew just need to
• 3:52:17
  play Toby saying about his book again.
• 3:52:21
  Just Toby saying the word book. Did I mention that?
• 3:52:25
  I've got a book out, tell us about it.
• 3:52:30
  I've got a really interesting comment.
• 3:52:32
  I can tell you about Loaf from Joe short saying all excellent
• 3:52:36
  stories. Here, we as the doctor from day,
• 3:52:38
  one should have kept pulled out with the captain to be great.
• 3:52:41
  Leader can interrogate me any day, okay, that's why I should
• 3:52:51
  drop in everything. Nigel horse says, Banger of a
• 3:52:58
  season, four, strong stories with great supporting casts
• 3:53:02
  would have been nice. If I listened gotten a proper
• 3:53:04
  send off though. Chris Holden says, one of the
• 3:53:08
  best series of 72 so setting up a new day.
• 3:53:11
  Cade John is the guy to do this spearhead is a fantastic
• 3:53:14
  introduction. I love Inferno.
• 3:53:16
  And the salarians is fun, I think Liz is played beautifully,
• 3:53:20
  witty, warm fun, and clever. Just these are goodbye story at
• 3:53:23
  the end. And think how old that great
• 3:53:27
  season most adults so far, but we hit the ground running, this
• 3:53:31
  show is great and so is Brig Maybe by end bit Fed Up of seven
• 3:53:36
  episodes. Don't breathe?
• 3:53:39
  I can understand that but I don't agree.
• 3:53:41
  But actually that sentence itself shows the shortcomings of
• 3:53:45
  being pithier because maybe by end bit Fed Up of seven Parts.
• 3:53:51
  Always it shows that if you cut something down it actually
• 3:53:53
  doesn't make us somewhat inelegant.
• 3:53:55
  So it is, in fact, a pie and for the longer story and Herald of
• 3:54:01
  creation says, I think season 7 is extremely important for what
• 3:54:05
  it does and why the show didn't continue doing it.
• 3:54:07
  It's clearly channeling The Avengers and it tells complex
• 3:54:11
  ambiguous stories with a strong. Grounding in modern science,
• 3:54:14
  what we have is something that is artistically great, but
• 3:54:17
  difficult to sustain on the schedule that the production
• 3:54:19
  team are working on. We are fortunate to have seasons
• 3:54:22
  and seven but it is unfair to expect everything that follows
• 3:54:25
  to be of the same caliber. Oh well look who we've got
• 3:54:28
  laughs. Big Orange.
• 3:54:32
  Michael never heard of him says, like season 12 and overlap of
• 3:54:36
  production team sensibilities creates a memorable season.
• 3:54:39
  A top 5 season in all of Doctor Who remarkable that just say
• 3:54:43
  remarkable in. Just about every way.
• 3:54:46
  Spoiler alert. I'm probably going to keep all
• 3:54:48
  of it. Yeah you're not alone now
• 3:54:50
  Michael you know it isn't it nice that just for once I mean
• 3:54:54
  this been a couple of very a very fuse or negative comments
• 3:54:59
  that sort of 98% of Doctor Who found them.
• 3:55:02
  So all in a calls that this is a fucking brilliant season of
• 3:55:08
  Doctor, that's rather wonderful. It is it is so who said that
• 3:55:13
  we're going to struggle the bin, something, which comment was
• 3:55:16
  that a couple of people, a couple of people.
• 3:55:19
  So we're gonna struggle the Benson and unfortunately, that
• 3:55:22
  is exactly what we have to do. Now in round 2, we are in the
• 3:55:26
  head-to-head, round saw him. Just to try and keep to be a
• 3:55:30
  little bit happier than usually was the last time when we did
• 3:55:33
  season 4, and it was a random selection, there is no random
• 3:55:36
  selection. This evening, I was just a
• 3:55:39
  random connection. It was an asshole of us.
• 3:55:42
  It's gonna happen as well. I know, let's not, let's just
• 3:55:48
  forget that. Let me forget that a big,
• 3:55:50
  pulsating, nesting it with this, surely, you're complaining about
• 3:55:55
  anything. Going up against anything, uh, I
• 3:55:59
  don't mind. No, because we are because it's
• 3:56:02
  all I think fairly evenly matched, what is infuriated me
• 3:56:05
  is when it's gone. Best story of us is best story.
• 3:56:08
  Best Story versus best story. Best story that hanging on by
• 3:56:11
  this thing going up and gets better.
• 3:56:13
  What's left versus worst story? Then you vote think that
• 3:56:17
  through, like, fools the underwater because you need to
• 3:56:25
  seeding. Time monster.
• 3:56:27
  No more. Thank you find.
• 3:56:30
  It was Eddie's. Father, the kicked out of
• 3:56:32
  Carnival of monsters, it's a reason.
• 3:56:34
  We don't have proportional representation in this country.
• 3:56:36
  I, I have been told many stories about the carnival mom to sing.
• 3:56:42
  It was actually my opinion. He used for it as well.
• 3:56:45
  So, technically, oh, It before that Carnival monsters is my
• 3:56:50
  least favorite season 10. Right right.
• 3:56:53
  Well I'm gonna start adding stories.
• 3:56:58
  This is everyone in episode 7 already.
• 3:57:02
  Okay great episode 10 Warriors Let's crank up the camp music.
• 3:57:10
  Then let's get down to it. We are going to just put them
• 3:57:13
  Against each other, in the order that they were put through.
• 3:57:16
  So, first up, we have spearhead from space facing off against
• 3:57:21
  Inferno. oh, it's the best strawberry jam ever. heard know
• 3:57:39
  what I was expecting to say, but Oh yeah, okay.
• 3:57:43
  Well because obviously, I was the only actually been
• 3:57:46
  something. Here, I'll go for your head
• 3:57:48
  because obviously, I bend in further.
• 3:57:50
  Oh, we can't bring a photo first.
• 3:57:52
  Come on you, mad people. Well, I got two rounds.
• 3:57:57
  It's not, I will vote Inferno as well and that leaves to be.
• 3:58:02
  Well, I have to say, I came into this with the idea that probably
• 3:58:09
  the easiest, the only one I would be easy to cast, aside
• 3:58:13
  would be speared because in the past, you know, if I had to do
• 3:58:17
  some scores out of 10, I give all of the Season 10 and I would
• 3:58:20
  get spearhead nine. And that's partially to do with
• 3:58:23
  my first viewing of it in the reasons that we've talked about
• 3:58:26
  it tonight. And I can see it in my mind's
• 3:58:28
  eye as this beautiful Film Production has so much going
• 3:58:32
  for. I've warmed very much to
• 3:58:34
  spearhead and I thought the advocacy for Inferno by whoever
• 3:58:38
  was chosen to do that was stuttering and unconvincing and
• 3:58:41
  so I'm not feeling great. That was me, by the way, this
• 3:58:45
  time based on this I'm sort of thinking along with all the
• 3:59:01
  others. Particular, everybody does love
• 3:59:09
  with them. Now I'm going to put I'm gonna
• 3:59:11
  put in Ferno through Inferno. That was a hell of a journey to
• 3:59:15
  get So spearhead from space is the first to fall and what is
• 3:59:22
  going to be next? Is it gonna be a Doctor Who and
• 3:59:24
  the side luian or the ambassadors twang of death?
• 3:59:28
  Oh Eddie. I've been sitting on this ever
• 3:59:34
  since we did it ambassadors. It's like who else could make
• 3:59:36
  like 50, 60 reasons for a hole. That's I don't think it's any
• 3:59:41
  contest there. Buster's for idiots and Busters
• 3:59:44
  from me as well, Pete. Love for me.
• 3:59:47
  There's only two doctors that could be the salary ends and
• 3:59:50
  then they're not in this season. It's the story and it's Unique,
• 3:59:53
  it's Joe. Yeah, I I go by my comments, I
• 4:00:00
  think there are things in the, sliders you camping.
• 4:00:03
  There's nothing you'll be. I mean, they're both crackers
• 4:00:14
  but I think it is my oh, I'm so sorry.
• 4:00:24
  About it goes through, which gives us our grand final its
• 4:00:29
  infernal versus ambassadors of death and I will go first.
• 4:00:36
  On this one, I am going to see I'm Bastards of death recalls in
• 4:00:40
  shock, Toby. Ambassador Bastards of death.
• 4:00:50
  Joe, this is one of those times for me really is genuinely very
• 4:00:56
  difficult. See.
• 4:01:09
  Around the middle. and Pete gets its East Berlin
• 4:01:32
  is, does it in ambassadors of death?
• 4:01:35
  Sorry no I don't even know he has the best.
• 4:01:41
  She has the best hat in US citizen of death.
• 4:01:43
  But she delivers the best knockout performance Inferno
• 4:01:48
  Eddie. Well, What?
• 4:01:51
  Unfortunately, Inferno does not have lizards hats so I think you
• 4:01:55
  know my answer ambassadors are their ambassadors of death so
• 4:01:59
  there's like a cult Everybody else.
• 4:02:02
  And most of the comments that you know, that were that did
• 4:02:06
  have a negative note says, and when I'm Busters isn't quite as
• 4:02:09
  good as everything else. So yeah, that's an ago.
• 4:02:11
  Even that Pete who wasn't gonna choose ambassadors actually
• 4:02:14
  said, it feels like some sort of conditioning that's gone.
• 4:02:18
  Yeah, sleeper cells have been activated.
• 4:02:20
  All right we're all rubbing behind our left ear going I
• 4:02:24
  think it's ambassadors. Absolutely.
• 4:02:26
  I mean Joe I think it's rather wonderful that this story that
• 4:02:33
  Had troubled fan opinion back in the day is being celebrated.
• 4:02:38
  Hey I guess right? Yeah but you've solid that
• 4:02:41
  Victory by voting through some utter dog shit in previous
• 4:02:44
  result in previous strictly is this would be like absolutely
• 4:02:51
  last ambassadors can join some of the true classic that have
• 4:02:55
  been both through. It's dead.
• 4:02:57
  It's snuggling up next to what time won't stop, the three
• 4:03:02
  doctors. And I can't remember what one
• 4:03:06
  season 11. Oh, the time Warrior, although
• 4:03:09
  I'm talking of the three doctors in this week that we record.
• 4:03:12
  This was it. Yes.
• 4:03:14
  No, it was a day before yesterday, I rang Mr. Ollis to
• 4:03:17
  wish him happy hour. Hey, oh yes.
• 4:03:20
  Still in. Fine petal.
• 4:03:22
  And Joe as your birthday is coming up as we record this, you
• 4:03:26
  share your birthday with the Doctor Who Legends Pat butcher
• 4:03:30
  off of Dimensions In Time Hansen.
• 4:03:32
  There's very little between Henson not on TV doctor but from
• 4:03:39
  lougarou, fine. Actor, Royce Mills voice of The
• 4:03:42
  Darlings in the 80s and Monday. These were all made.
• 4:03:46
  The 12th is snake up to, who is the lady, who smokes a fagg and
• 4:03:50
  then shoots a melty man in episode one of Resurrection.
• 4:03:53
  She's right. Yes.
• 4:03:56
  One of the small subsection of Doctor Who guest actors to
• 4:04:00
  appeared on black Kitty blank. Katherine Tate is Oh, that's me.
• 4:04:07
  We should spend the day together and so I should have saved her
• 4:04:11
  for last. Last is Steve from EastEnders
• 4:04:13
  Mark Monero, who's one of the the the priests with machine
• 4:04:18
  guns in the you know, the one in the caves flesh and I'm sure
• 4:04:24
  he's lovely as well. Yes, flashing statues.
• 4:04:26
  Yeah, don't blink twice. Yeah, really wonderful.
• 4:04:31
  Yes. Yeah.
• 4:04:32
  And just to end on us and the people who died on your
• 4:04:35
  birthday. I'm free.
• 4:04:39
  So who did the music for The Myth makers?
• 4:04:41
  You're not good for musicians, Norman.
• 4:04:43
  Kay the music for an Earthly child and the kids and said
• 4:04:47
  rights, they both died on your birthday, not Harry below and as
• 4:04:50
  well. No, no, no.
• 4:04:52
  I mean I think you probably tried but escaped.
• 4:04:57
  You the caber who is also a guarded in power of the Daleks
• 4:05:01
  Robert Russell and lane from Warriors gate.
• 4:05:05
  Well you would well you you were celebrating in the wake of this.
• 4:05:08
  A lot that you heard people who died.
• 4:05:13
  Happy death day for everyone. Well, we didn't give the prize
• 4:05:20
  to the ambassadors of Death. Yeah, that's because of death on
• 4:05:25
  May the 12th. I was just an ambassador of
• 4:05:29
  death on, May the 12th. Yes.
• 4:05:33
  Well, there we have it. Then we, it's safe to say a
• 4:05:36
  gentleman. We have done our model, due to
• 4:05:38
  this evening. And we have crowned, the
• 4:05:40
  ambassadors. Of death as the champion of
• 4:05:44
  season 7 and thank you so much everyone for giving so much time
• 4:05:49
  to discuss this brilliant season quite brilliantly.
• 4:05:52
  And would you all like to let us know where abouts our listeners
• 4:05:56
  can find you? Or if you've got anything else,
• 4:05:58
  you want to plug or anything else going on published?
• 4:06:00
  Yeah, me. Oh, well, yes.
• 4:06:06
  I mean, I've kept this under my hat but I have a book out.
• 4:06:09
  Wait, that's been writing for 306 years.
• 4:06:14
  It is very much, a labor of love, but I hope shines a light
• 4:06:18
  on a classic piece of television.
• 4:06:19
  And if you like Doctor, Who Quasar such an important part of
• 4:06:23
  the fabric of British television, science fiction,
• 4:06:25
  certainly and also British television full stop, and
• 4:06:29
  there's load stuff. If you think, you know, you're
• 4:06:30
  quite a masters that stuff, you won't know that's in there.
• 4:06:33
  And if you've never cross paths before I hope it helps to put it
• 4:06:37
  in contacts and illuminated and maybe encourage you to watch it
• 4:06:41
  and it's the Of five volumes because I will be covering the
• 4:06:44
  whole of creative mass in all its different manifestations.
• 4:06:47
  And as a sideline to that, instead of plugging all the
• 4:06:51
  other stuff that hopefully have people have heard me plugging on
• 4:06:53
  before. This, as we record this I'm
• 4:06:55
  doing my proper job soon which is being a proper actor and I'm
• 4:06:59
  in a production of a play that I probably couldn't say the title
• 4:07:02
  of on most podcasts, but I cannot this.
• 4:07:04
  You definitely can because it's called cock.
• 4:07:07
  It Is by, there is a doctor connection it's by Mike Bartlett
• 4:07:11
  who wrote knock knock. But he's, he's an esteemed
• 4:07:14
  playwright and this play was done in the west end with the
• 4:07:16
  Taron Edgerton and not that long ago.
• 4:07:18
  And I'm doing it in Manchester and the Shakespeare on Playhouse
• 4:07:23
  and then appropriately because you can't have too much cock,
• 4:07:27
  the cockpit theater. So, it's a bit of double cock,
• 4:07:30
  which or Sunday afternoon is it snowing in?
• 4:07:33
  Joe says, you've got, you've got both coming at you from both
• 4:07:40
  directions and the name of the Play and the title of the
• 4:07:43
  theater that's in June and July by her Productions, cock by
• 4:07:47
  Mike. But it and I'm in that and doing
• 4:07:50
  proper acting and stuff so, come see that?
• 4:07:52
  Oh, that's a great night. Get yourself out the sea Toby's
• 4:07:57
  cock. But I've given my bottom on a
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  number of occasions. Now, somebody just needs to
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  write a play call balls. No, what have I done to you?
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  I see my CV though. I mean, my CV sends you search
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  engine to all sorts of do Lally. Now it's got cock and bottom
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  nestling next to it or Saturday afternoon as its All right,
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  peace workers. When does this one coming out
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  again, have coming out this Sunday?
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  Well, then this Sunday, everyone will be very excited because the
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  week later it's gonna be the Eurovision song contest on
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  Saturday. And I've and I'm something of a
• 4:08:47
  Eurovision person. And I've got an episode of trap.
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  One coming out, where I'll be reviewing the Doctor Who episode
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  called the galactic song. Contest of thank you.
• 4:08:59
  And I've got on an episode with Dylan of His Marvelous, two hot
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  for TV, where we review Bonnie langford's, Doctor Who
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  Eurovision spoof. Bang.
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  Bang a boom. I still getting it wrong after
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  he isn't it? Glorious pants.
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  And we go into the full phenomenon of the Bonnie
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  Langford universe and her. How she became what she was
• 4:09:22
  because well maybe don't know. Quite the everything that she
• 4:09:27
  stood for a certain point in her career and the ups and downs in
• 4:09:30
  the public eye to her current status of National Treasure.
• 4:09:34
  So that was a really fun with villain as well.
• 4:09:37
  So yeah. I say hello on Blue Sky where I
• 4:09:41
  am quite a mess, some reason. Something funny, do you think
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  the against some stiff competition, Patricia Quinn,
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  gives the campus before of all time, in bang, bang above my
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  little, man. She really does.
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  Eddie. Where can you be found?
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  Well not even joking. Find me when he was doing the
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  app for this. Like even though I told him it
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  just after his podcast he didn't find it until funny enough
• 4:10:15
  someone commented it. So do you know how many people
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  are talked to? I don't remember anything about
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  who any of these people are. That it's true.
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  It's like every 51st dates every time I message him.
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  Why don't you tell me again? Yeah, just in case it has been
• 4:10:34
  reinforced after that comment on the season 17 and the message
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  to. You, literally just asked me to
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  midnight. I I'm on I'm on both blue sky on
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  Twitter, but I'm marked from Blue Sky.
• 4:10:46
  That sends no man. Don't snowman.
• 4:10:49
  Now, I tried Eddie Ed. Every permutation funnily
• 4:10:53
  enough, I did not try dead center snowman but I love to be
• 4:10:57
  fair when when someone tries it Joe or Joe or Joe or whatever.
• 4:11:00
  So he wouldn't back to find Doctor Who Would Have got a boy,
• 4:11:07
  you do well. And I will also say, as well.
• 4:11:10
  You will be able to find Eddie very shortly on the Midnight
• 4:11:12
  episode that I'm gonna drop at will have been dropped by now
• 4:11:16
  where Eddie was very much against midnight.
• 4:11:19
  John and I were for it and then we did a two-part commentary on
• 4:11:24
  Attack, on the sidemen, where Eddie and I were very much for
• 4:11:27
  Attack of the five men, and John was very much against him, so
• 4:11:31
  it's basically sort of intergenerational War on those
• 4:11:35
  episodes. Coming up gonna be interesting,
• 4:11:37
  which I can't hold blood. And, oh, fucking him.
• 4:11:41
  The best, like the reinstall. Hi, this is the next Generation,
• 4:11:49
  all right. Yeah, we doomed race.
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  Where can people find you? Well, let me give you a list of
• 4:11:56
  55 podcasts and he can he go, yes.
• 4:12:01
  Am I probably have anyone. I'll have us to be on a stem.
• 4:12:04
  Hamster, trap one. And you know, just Find me on
• 4:12:08
  Twitter or blue sky at Felix freezer or one word and freezer
• 4:12:11
  spot with his head just like Mr. Haynes and you'll find my
• 4:12:14
  nonsense call witterings there and they will generally point it
• 4:12:18
  in the direction and waiting for a very good happy times and
• 4:12:22
  places on megals. I believe.
• 4:12:24
  Yeah. Did it was it was I like that
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  one. Two.
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  Have you got anything that you've got?
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  Oh, great. I wanna go to bed.
• 4:12:33
  I don't care where I am. Yeah, just put in a little blunt
• 4:12:39
  pen knife. Oh, you'll listen to it now.
• 4:12:40
  So, you know what? That is?
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  No, let's go to bed. Oh, that's right.
• 4:12:44
  What happens at the end of these episodes.
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  Well, That really means now was for me to see goodbye, Pete
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  Eddie? To be, I shall miss you my
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  dears, but I've had about all I can stand of this pompous self
• 4:13:03
  apparently. Pompous.
• 4:13:10
  Self-opinionated, idiots, eh. West Melbourne.
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  Don't bear a good for a few years.
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  He was doing not all the years we broadcast it together.
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  Come on my dear fellow put on a smile.
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  Oh remember George?