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Mega Edition: The Goncalves Family And Their Full Court Press For Justice (9/27/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. It
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Speaker 1: has been a year now since the murders in Moscow
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Speaker 1: have taken place, and ever since we learned of the
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Speaker 1: tragedy and found out who the victims were, two of
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Speaker 1: the people that have been out there at the forefront
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Speaker 1: demanding justice has been the Gonsalves family. Steve and Christy Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: along with Kaylee's sister, have been out in the forefront
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Speaker 1: demanding that not only justice be served, but that the
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Speaker 1: authorities do the right thing. So they've kept the pressure
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Speaker 1: on the authorities from the very beginning. And whether you
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Speaker 1: agree with their strategy or not, One thing that everybody
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Speaker 1: needs to keep in mind is it's their daughter who
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Speaker 1: was murdered. And I think it's ludicrous that anybody sitting
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Speaker 1: on a computer or anywhere else would sit around and
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Speaker 1: criticize these people. You have to be a real unit
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Speaker 1: to sit around and criticize grieving parents. Like, what is
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Speaker 1: wrong with you? How could anybody even attempt to try
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Speaker 1: and put themselves in their shoes? Unless you're part of
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Speaker 1: that club that nobody wants to be a part of.
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Speaker 1: You know, the club where your children are brutally murdered.
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Speaker 1: then you really have no idea what the Gonsalves family
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Speaker 1: or any of these other families have went through. So
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Speaker 1: I've always found the criticism of the Gonsalves family especially
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Speaker 1: because they've been at the forefront to be rather disgusting.
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Speaker 1: You had people out here in the beginning stages talking
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Speaker 1: about how Steve Gonsalves should be investigated because he might
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Speaker 1: have been the person responsible for these murders. Imagine saying
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Speaker 1: some shit like that on TV and nobody holding you
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Speaker 1: accountable for saying that? Well, that's the kind of stuff
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Speaker 1: we heard in the original stages of this. And never
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Speaker 1: mind the dum-dums on social media. You know the type.
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Speaker 1: The people out there talking like, oh, the Gonsalves family
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Speaker 1: is going to ruin the case because they're talking about
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Speaker 1: this in public. Tell me you don't know anything about
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Speaker 1: the court system without telling me you don't know anything
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Speaker 1: about the court system. The Gonsalves family, breaking news, they're
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Speaker 1: allowed to say whatever they want. That gag order is
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Speaker 1: doesn't apply to them. That gag order only applies to
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Speaker 1: their lawyer.
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Speaker 2: So if the.
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves family wants to come out and have 500 interviews,
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Speaker 1: that's up to them. And if it was my daughter
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Speaker 1: who was murdered, I'd be doing the same thing. So
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Speaker 1: all the detractors out there that have a lot to
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Speaker 1: say about the Gonsalves family, they should probably just shut up.
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Speaker 1: Today's article is from KHQ.com and the headline. Gonsalves family
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Speaker 1: persists a year after daughter Kaylee was murdered. This article
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Speaker 1: was authored by Sean Owsley. Imagine waking up to that headline,
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Speaker 1: and it was about your daughter. Imagine this being your
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Speaker 1: new reality, like it is for the Gonsalves family, like
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Speaker 1: it is for the Kernodles, and the Chapins, and the Mogans.
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Speaker 2: It has to be surreal.
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Speaker 1: And I don't care how much time has passed, when
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Speaker 1: something like this happens, you're never the same. A year ago,
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Speaker 1: two of the strongest people you'll ever meet, lost one
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Speaker 1: of the most inspiring daughters you could ever know. On
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Speaker 1: November 13, 2022, Kaylee Gonsalves was one of four University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho students killed in an off-campus house. In the
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Speaker 1: years since, Steve and Christy Gonsalves have gone through every birthday, holiday,
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Speaker 1: and anniversary without their daughter. Nonstop's local, Sean Owsley, sat
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Speaker 1: down with Steve and Christy this month to hear directly
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Speaker 1: from them how they're coping with the grim milestone and
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Speaker 1: how they feel about the quest for justice so far.
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Speaker 1: The following is a partial transcript from that interview, edited
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Speaker 1: for clarity. Christy Gonsalves Somehow, rolling into November really has,
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Speaker 1: you know, you didn't really think much about it. You know,
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Speaker 1: people would say it to me and mention it to me.
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Speaker 1: And of course, you know, I'd be like, yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't need to be reminded. But there is something that
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Speaker 1: has come along really strong with this month of November.
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Speaker 1: The weather and everything that came along with it has
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Speaker 1: some deep, significant reminders of losing Kaylee and Maddie.
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Speaker 2: And it's been rough. I can't even imagine.
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Speaker 1: You lose somebody that you care about, even if it's
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Speaker 1: something like cancer or, you know, a sudden illness, whatever.
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Speaker 1: The hole that's left after they're gone is enormous. Now
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Speaker 1: imagine it being unexpected and a young kid like this
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Speaker 1: and your child. Everything that happens is going to bring
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Speaker 1: back those memories. Smells, sounds, places, all of it. It's
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Speaker 1: been rough. It's been really rough. And you just, you
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Speaker 1: just miss them. And the longer they're gone, the more
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Speaker 1: they miss and the more you miss them.
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Speaker 2: And the more you realize how badly you really have
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Speaker 2: been robbed.
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Speaker 1: All of our pictures, that's all we got, you know?
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Speaker 1: All of our videos, that is everything we have, okay?
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Speaker 1: And it's just, it's, um, it's insane. It's just crazy
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Speaker 1: that she was, just a year ago today, she was here.
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Speaker 1: And not to get too morbid or anything, folks, but
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Speaker 1: that could be any of us. Keep that in mind
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Speaker 1: when you're angry at your mom or your dad or
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Speaker 1: somebody you love. We're only given a finite amount of
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Speaker 1: time here on this earth. And whenever there's a tragedy
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Speaker 1: like this, it really puts things into perspective. Steve Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: there's just no right way to do something like this.
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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be something a family should ever have to
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Speaker 1: go through. We're just going to kind of try to
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Speaker 1: figure it out as it happens. But you know, we
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Speaker 1: lean on the community and the people that we've met
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Speaker 1: and all the love and all the support that we get.
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Speaker 1: There's a massive amount of support. It's not just locally,
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Speaker 1: but literally worldwide. And I've definitely seen that. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of people that truly want to see justice served here.
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Speaker 1: And those people are certainly scattered worldwide. It's not just
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Speaker 1: people in Idaho or even people in America that want
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Speaker 1: to see justice served. There are people that have been
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Speaker 1: following this case from Australia, Germany, you name it. And
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Speaker 1: while there has been criticism of the Gonsalves family, there's
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Speaker 1: also been, like Mr. Gonsalves says here, a ton of support.
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Speaker 1: And that's the right way to go about it. How
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Speaker 1: anyone can criticize the family members of somebody who was
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered is beyond me. Let's talk about the wheels
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Speaker 1: of justice. The last time we talked... There was a date.
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Speaker 1: It's been moved back. Just where are you with the
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Speaker 1: legal system right now? What do you expect going forward?
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Speaker 1: What do you want to say on that? Christy, it's
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Speaker 1: gut-wrenching how slow everything has to go. Why does this
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Speaker 1: have to be so drawn out?
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Speaker 2: It's important. I get it.
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Speaker 1: But there are facts. We have certain facts. We have
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Speaker 1: certain knowledge. I can't believe this is how it works.
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Speaker 1: The old adage of the wheels of justice grind slowly
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Speaker 1: is certainly true. And whenever you have a case as
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Speaker 1: publicized as this one, whenever you have a case as
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Speaker 1: complicated as this one, you can guarantee that there is
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Speaker 1: going to be delays along the way. But be that
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Speaker 1: as it may, that doesn't provide the family any comfort
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Speaker 1: to know that the wheels of justice grind slowly. Steve,
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Speaker 1: they had the whole schedule laid out. Christy, we had
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Speaker 1: a date. We have no date. Even today, people are like, oh, Christy,
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Speaker 1: we got some progress. They got some progress today. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, progress? December 1st? That's not progress. That's a
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Speaker 1: whole nother month away. But they're like, that's better than
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Speaker 1: not having any dates. And I'm like, you're right.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is.
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Speaker 1: Look, I'd be impatient, too. I'd want justice, too. And
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Speaker 1: even though I don't even know these kids, I want
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Speaker 1: justice to move forward. Can you imagine if it was
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Speaker 1: your child? Because let's remember, these might just be names
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Speaker 1: in an article to some people. But to the Gonsalves family, well,
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Speaker 1: that certainly isn't the case. This is their daughter. This
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Speaker 1: is somebody that is going to leave a gigantic hole
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Speaker 1: in their lives and they want justice and they want
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Speaker 1: it now. Steve, that's important to bring up. There are
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Speaker 1: some people who never even get to find the person
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Speaker 1: who did this. We think that the police department, Moscow,
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Speaker 1: the FBI, I'm still learning about what they did and
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Speaker 1: how they put this together.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing the resources we were able to have.
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Speaker 1: We'll be able to do whatever it takes as a
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Speaker 1: community to get this person taken care of. And so
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Speaker 1: we can all move on. With that type of determination
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Speaker 1: from law enforcement and investigators, does it at least provide
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Speaker 1: some solace?
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Speaker 2: Steve, yup.
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Speaker 1: When I see them going into that house and constructing
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Speaker 1: a crime scene and going through doing all their work,
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Speaker 1: it's just more evidence. It's not less. It's more evidence.
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Speaker 1: So then, when we do go to trial, there'll just
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Speaker 1: be more good days than there is those what-if days.
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Speaker 1: And I think he's right. I think once this gets
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Speaker 1: to trial, and the prosecutors present their opening argument, it's
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Speaker 1: going to be very apparent and very clear to everybody
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Speaker 1: out there who wants to be a contrarian that Brian
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Speaker 1: Koberger's ass is cooked. Christy, I don't think it'll be
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Speaker 1: good days. Steve, well, knowing evidence and knowing that they've
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Speaker 1: got the right person and everything. Christy, yeah, I just
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Speaker 1: can't imagine. I mean, we think we don't have a
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Speaker 1: lot of answers. I just can't imagine a mother with
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Speaker 1: a missing child or a dead child Steve, some people
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Speaker 1: might think their kid might be alive. Now back to Sean.
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Speaker 1: That says a lot about you both. In your absolute grueling,
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Speaker 1: most agonizing time, you also think about others. I do
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Speaker 1: want to shine a light on the darkest year that
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Speaker 1: you've had. There have been periods of kindness from people
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Speaker 1: you know, from people you don't know.
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Speaker 2: What has that meant to you? Maybe give us an insight.
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Speaker 1: Of something that took you back that people went so
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Speaker 1: far out of their way to say. We care about you. Christy,
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Speaker 1: we have received a tremendous amount of gifts. Every single
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Speaker 1: one of them are absolutely meaningful to us. We get
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Speaker 1: pictures drawn by little kids that says, you know, my
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Speaker 1: nine-year-old drew this. She just really wanted to, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's a picture of Kaylee and Maddie with flowers.
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Speaker 2: It's meaningful. I love it.
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Speaker 1: I love getting stuff and opening it and reading them.
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Speaker 1: People write you letters like pages and pages and pages.
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Speaker 1: And every single word that they say, you find so
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Speaker 1: much comfort in it. They're telling us that they're crying
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Speaker 1: with us. They're grieving with us. And they have kids
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Speaker 1: like us. For example, that picture over there. It's a
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Speaker 1: real picture of Kaylee, in the arms of Jesus, welcoming
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Speaker 1: her into heaven, is the feeling I got from it.
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Speaker 1: When I unwrapped it, it was face down, and I
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Speaker 1: turned around, and I about fell to my knees. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I honestly, it really took me aback. And that came
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Speaker 1: from an artist in Alabama that you don't know? Christy,
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Speaker 1: I know, we don't know her. Sean, what did it
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Speaker 1: do for the both of you when you first saw it?
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Speaker 2: Steve.
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Speaker 1: It still helps me every single day coming home. It's
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Speaker 1: her smile, but it's a picture that you can imagine
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Speaker 1: and then you get to see it in real life.
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Speaker 1: It's medicine in a way. Christy, it's so lifelike. I've
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Speaker 1: always loved that picture they used of Kaylee. The depiction
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Speaker 1: of Jesus they used. You know, there are many renditions
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Speaker 1: of Jesus. This one is natural. Sean, every time we've
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Speaker 1: met you two, you have shown class and strength that
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Speaker 1: needs to be recognized and highlighted. We appreciate that. I
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Speaker 1: want to give you this opportunity to have the final word.
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Speaker 1: Both of you have the opportunity to say what's on
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Speaker 1: your heart and what you feel you need to say. Christy,
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Speaker 1: I would have to say, you know, the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Just thank you so much to our community, to our
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Speaker 1: friends beyond. Steve, we'll never pretend like we'll be the same.
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Speaker 1: We'll always be missing her, but we'll be reunited with
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Speaker 1: both of them. There'll be some stories and catching up
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Speaker 1: to do. And when you just look at the whole
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Speaker 1: entire situation, it's just heartbreaking all the way around. Whether
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Speaker 1: it's the Gonsalves family, the Mogens, the Kernodals, the Chapins,
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Speaker 1: the hole that's left in their life is just unimaginable.
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Speaker 1: And I can't even begin to think what it must
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Speaker 1: be like to navigate their new reality. But I think
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Speaker 1: one thing is very, very apparent. The Gonsalves family is
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Speaker 1: not going to rest until justice is served. All right, folks,
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Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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Speaker 1: in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back
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Speaker 1: to the program. Now that Brian Kohlberger has pleaded guilty,
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Speaker 1: we're hearing some of the grisly details from some of
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Speaker 1: the families, namely the Gonsalves family, who recently went on
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Speaker 1: record talking about the injuries suffered by Kaylee At the hands.
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Speaker 1: Of this bitch boy Brian Koberger. And it was the
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Speaker 1: brutality of this attack. That led me to believe. That
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Speaker 1: Madison Mogan. Was actually the object of Brian Koberger's desire.
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Speaker 1: When this all first started. It looked to me that
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Speaker 1: Kaylee was the target. But as we learned more information.
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Speaker 1: As we got more details. I started to shift towards Maddie.
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Speaker 1: Being the target. And I still stick with that as
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Speaker 1: of today. I think that Brian Koberger ran into her.
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Speaker 1: At the Mad Greek. And then from there, his disgusting fantasy,
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Speaker 1: his fixation grew. And then finally it got to a
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Speaker 1: point where he decided to enact his disgusting bitch boy fantasy.
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Speaker 1: But the problem is that he wasn't expecting Kaylee to
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Speaker 1: be there. So he took his anger out on Kaylee.
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Speaker 1: She was the one that ruined his moment with Madison, right?
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Speaker 1: So he's going to take the anger out on Kaylee.
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Speaker 1: And the technical term is overkill. That's exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: There was overkill, and the reason was Brian Koberger was mad.
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Speaker 1: He was mad that his time got taken away, that
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Speaker 1: his plans were thrown into turmoil. And in my opinion,
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Speaker 1: that's why Kaylee was so brutally beaten and murdered. Of course,
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Speaker 1: that's just my speculation. We don't have any details one
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Speaker 1: way or the other, but I think that tracks the
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Speaker 1: most when you look at the evidence and you look
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Speaker 1: at the details that we do have. So today we
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Speaker 1: have an article from Daily Mail and the headline, Kaylee
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves' mom reveals that Brian Kohlberger beat her in the
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Speaker 1: face before the massacre. The author of this article is
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Speaker 1: Bethan Sexton. The mother of one of the four murdered
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Speaker 1: University of Idaho students has revealed that her daughter was
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Speaker 1: beaten in the face by killer Brian Kohlberger as she
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Speaker 1: tried desperately to defend herself. Kaylee Gonsalves' mom, Christy, shared
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Speaker 1: the update after Kohlberger pleaded guilty to the brutal stabbings
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Speaker 1: of Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, Maddie Mogan, and Ethan Chapin. Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: admission was part of the plea deal with Latah County
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Speaker 1: prosecutors that allows him to dodge the death penalty, infuriating
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Speaker 1: several of the families, including the Gonsalves. And you have
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Speaker 1: the Gonsalves family and the Kernodle family that are down
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Speaker 1: with the death penalty and they're not happy with what
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Speaker 1: happened here. Then you have the Chapin family and relatives
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Speaker 1: of Maddie saying that they're okay with the decision and
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Speaker 1: they feel like justice has been served now that Brian
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger is going to be in prison for the rest
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Speaker 1: of his bitch ass life. Ahead of the sentencing later
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Speaker 1: this month, Christie shared harrowing details about her daughter's final
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Speaker 1: moments on December 13th, 2022. She also hit back at
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Speaker 1: critics who have suggested the family cares more about vengeance
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Speaker 1: than justice. He deserved life on death row, Christie wrote.
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Speaker 1: People say that Gonsalves don't want justice, they want revenge. Well,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, you blame him? You got a
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Speaker 1: lot of big mouths out here talking a lot of bullshit.
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Speaker 1: It's real easy to tell these family members what they
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Speaker 1: should do in the wake of their loved one being murdered.
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Speaker 1: Until you live it. Until it's your daughter that's lying
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Speaker 1: in that coffin. And this punk motherfucker's over there smirking
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Speaker 1: and having the time of his life. See how much
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Speaker 1: you like it. And for me, I already know I'd
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Speaker 1: be wilding out way more than Mr. Gonsalves is. So
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Speaker 1: I can't sit here in good faith and tell you
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Speaker 1: that he's wilding out and he's acting a fool he's not.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about a man who lost his daughter and
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Speaker 1: this punk bitch murderer is just going to be able
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Speaker 1: to sit there and rot for the rest of his
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Speaker 1: life and not have to pay the most serious of consequences.
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Speaker 1: I completely see that side of the argument. So you're
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Speaker 1: never going to hear me criticize the family members at all.
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Speaker 1: None of us are walking in their shoes. Nobody understands
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Speaker 1: what it's like to wake up every day and that
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Speaker 1: be your new normal. Go look at your daughter. Go
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Speaker 1: look at your sister, your good friend. And then for
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Speaker 1: a moment, put yourself in the shoes of these family
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Speaker 1: members that can never do that again. And then you
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Speaker 1: tell me you don't want justice. You don't want vengeance.
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Speaker 2: I want it all.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question about her. If
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Speaker 1: your 21-year-old daughter was sleeping in her bed, and bitch
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Speaker 1: boy BK, Brian Kohlberger, went into her house with the
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Speaker 1: intention to kill her, and he did, by stabbing her
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Speaker 1: many times, as well as beating her in the face
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Speaker 1: and head, while it was clear that she fought for
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Speaker 1: her life, what would you want? Justice or vengeance? I'd
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Speaker 1: want 10 minutes alone with Brian Kohlberger. And I truly
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Speaker 1: mean that. I would take this bitch-ass motherfucker apart, piece
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Speaker 1: by piece. Because a punk motherfucker like this deserves no less.
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Speaker 1: Deserves no quarter, no empathy. What he deserves is to
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Speaker 1: be put under that fucking jail. If he's not going
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Speaker 1: to be put to death, put him under the jail.
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Speaker 1: But that's not going to happen either. He's going to
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Speaker 1: be in general population. I guarantee it. At some point,
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Speaker 1: he's going to general population. And right now I'm talking
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Speaker 1: with somebody who has actually served time in that prison,
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Speaker 1: and I'm going to have a lot more to say
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Speaker 1: about what goes on in that prison in the coming days.
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Speaker 1: The Gonsalves family was calling for the killer to face
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Speaker 1: death by firing squad if convicted. That was too good
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Speaker 1: for him. Helicopters, volcanoes, or my new one. Why don't
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Speaker 1: we connect him to some kind of harness, drop him
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Speaker 1: in the ocean with a breathing apparatus behind a boat,
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Speaker 1: and use him as shark bait?
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Speaker 2: No, no, no, hear me out.
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Speaker 1: We could put GoPros on him, and then we could
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Speaker 1: sell the stream for 20 bucks a stream and give
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Speaker 1: the money to the families. Sounds much better than putting
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Speaker 1: this bitch-ass motherfucker in prison for the rest of his
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Speaker 1: life and feeding him and taking care of him. They
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Speaker 1: have since slammed the plea deal, hitting out at lead
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Speaker 1: prosecutor Bill Thompson for notifying them of the decision by letter. However,
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Speaker 1: several of the other families have expressed gratitude that they'll
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Speaker 1: be spared a trial. Bitch boy did not show Kaylee
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Speaker 1: any mercy, Christie added. People tell us we should be
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Speaker 1: happy with life in prison without parole as he will
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Speaker 1: never get out. How is that not a win? They ask. Well,
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Speaker 1: the death penalty also means life on death row. We
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Speaker 1: knew it would be decades before he ever would face
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Speaker 1: the firing squad. We knew that his execution was not
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Speaker 1: going to happen anytime soon, but his life on death
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Speaker 1: row while serving his time would have been much worse
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Speaker 1: than serving his time as life in prison.
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Speaker 2: She is not wrong.
19:23
Speaker 1: Serving time as a condemned man is a lot different.
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Speaker 1: than being in GP. Brian Kohlberger is gonna, you know,
19:30
Speaker 1: make friends, gonna live a life, and gonna be able.
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Speaker 2: To go on with his stupidity.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, all these beautiful kids, they're gone forever. But don't worry, Mr. Gonsalves,
19:40
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger is gonna have his vegan fucking lasagna. If
19:44
Speaker 1: you don't see the injustice in that, I don't know
19:46
Speaker 1: what to tell you. Now look, I understand why they
19:49
Speaker 1: did the plea deal as I said previously. That doesn't
19:51
Speaker 1: mean I have to like it.
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Speaker 2: And I don't.
19:54
Speaker 1: I think they had the goods to send Brian Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: directly to the firing squad. Kohlberger's shot guilty plea was
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Speaker 1: entered on Wednesday. The deal also included a clause that
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger cannot ever appeal his conviction. He will be sentenced
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Speaker 1: later this month and will have the chance to speak.
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Speaker 1: But Kohlberger will not be forced to address the court,
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Speaker 1: meaning his true motive may never be known. That's such bullshit.
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Speaker 1: If you're going to plead guilty to something like this,
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Speaker 1: you should have to give a whole ass statement in court.
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Speaker 1: You should have to tell everybody why you did it,
20:26
Speaker 1: how you did it, how you planned it, all of it.
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Speaker 1: If not, things might come to a completion, but are
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Speaker 1: they really over? Did we really get the information that
20:37
Speaker 1: was needed to help us make sense of what happened?
20:41
Speaker 1: Unfortunately in life, a lot of times, we don't get completion.
20:45
Speaker 1: We don't get the complete storyline. And a lot of
20:48
Speaker 1: threads are still left to be pulled. And I hate
20:51
Speaker 1: to say it, but it seems like this might be
20:53
Speaker 1: one of those times. Unless bitch boy decides to write
20:55
Speaker 1: a book with Catherine Ramsland or something. Which is definitely possible.
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Speaker 1: I don't put it past him. Lead prosecutor Thompson laid
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Speaker 1: out his key evidence Wednesday at Kohlberger's plea hearing. The
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Speaker 1: evidentiary summary spun a dramatic tale that included a DNA-laden
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Speaker 1: Q-tip plucked from the garbage in the dead of night,
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Speaker 1: a getaway car stripped so clean of evidence that it
21:17
Speaker 1: was essentially disassembled inside, and a fateful early morning door
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Speaker 1: dash order that may have put one of the victims
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Speaker 1: in Kohlberger's path. These details offer new insights into how
21:29
Speaker 1: the crime unfolded and how investigators ultimately solved the case
21:33
Speaker 1: using surveillance footage, cell phone tracking, and DNA matching, But
21:38
Speaker 1: the synopsis leaves hanging key questions that could have been
21:41
Speaker 1: answered at trial, including a motive for the stabbing and
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Speaker 1: why a bitch boy picked that house, those victims, who
21:49
Speaker 1: were all apparent strangers to him. And again, I think
21:52
Speaker 1: our answer lies at the Mad Greek. I think it's
21:55
Speaker 1: relatively obvious that that's where Brian Koberger first had contact
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Speaker 1: with Madison Mogan. And like I said before, everything spiraled
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Speaker 1: out of control from there. And until I see something
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Speaker 1: more logical... That's what I'm going to believe happened. Kohlberger,
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Speaker 1: now 30, had begun a doctoral degree in criminal justice
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Speaker 1: at nearby Washington State University across the state line from Moscow, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: months before the crimes. The defendant had studied crime, Thompson
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Speaker 1: told the court. In fact, he did a detailed paper
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Speaker 1: on crime scene processing when he was working on his PhD,
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Speaker 1: and he had that knowledge skill set. Kohlberger's cell phone
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Speaker 1: began connecting with cell towers in the area of the
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Speaker 1: crime More than four months before the stabbings, Thompson said.
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Speaker 1: And pinged on those towers 23 times between the hours
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Speaker 1: of 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. in that time period.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he was just there hanging out, right? You know,
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Speaker 1: watching the stars. He likes to do that.
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on.
22:53
Speaker 1: Who's buying that bullshit? Who thinks that Brian Kohlberger was
22:56
Speaker 1: doing anything but casing that place? Trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: the best time to sneak in and kill those kids.
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Speaker 1: That's what he was up to.
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Speaker 2: And guess what? That's not speculation anymore. That's fact.
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Speaker 1: And the fact is, Bitch Boy is a vile, disgusting,
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Speaker 1: piece-of-shit murderer. And anybody who defended him should punch themselves
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Speaker 1: directly in the face. A compilation of surveillance videos from
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Speaker 1: neighbors and businesses also placed Kohlberger's vehicle, known to investigators
23:23
Speaker 1: because of a routine traffic stop by police in August,
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Speaker 1: in the area. On the night of the killings, Kohlberger
23:29
Speaker 1: parked behind the house and entered through a sliding door
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Speaker 1: to the kitchen at the back of the house shortly
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Speaker 1: after 4 a.m. He then moved to the third floor
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Speaker 1: where Mogan and Gonsalves were sleeping and stabbed them both
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Speaker 1: to death. Kohlberger left a knife sheath next to Mogan's body.
23:45
Speaker 1: Both victims' blood was later found on the sheath along
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Speaker 1: with DNA from a single male that ultimately helped investigators
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Speaker 1: pinpoint Kohlberger as the only suspect. On the floor below,
23:56
Speaker 1: Kernodle was still awake. As Kohlberger was leaving the house,
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Speaker 1: he crossed paths with her and killed her with a
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Speaker 1: large knife. He then killed Chapin, Colonel's boyfriend, who had
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Speaker 1: been sleeping in her bedroom. The two other roommates, Bethany
24:10
Speaker 1: Funk and Dylan Mortensen, survived unharmed. Mortensen was expected to
24:15
Speaker 1: testify at trial that sometime before 4.19 a.m., she saw
24:19
Speaker 1: an intruder there with bushy eyebrows, wearing black clothing, and
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Speaker 1: a ski mask. Roughly five minutes later, Kohlberger's car, could
24:28
Speaker 1: be seen on a neighbor's surveillance camera speeding away so fast,
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Speaker 1: the car almost loses control as it makes the corner,
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Speaker 1: Thompson said. After Koberger fled the scene, his cover-up was elaborate,
24:40
Speaker 1: but methodical police work ultimately caught up with him, with
24:43
Speaker 1: Koberger now one of the world's most notorious mass murderers.
24:47
Speaker 1: And just to reiterate, I can't even imagine being the
24:49
Speaker 1: family members of these kids. Imagine waking up and knowing
24:54
Speaker 1: that this happened, and only getting some of the details?
24:58
Speaker 1: To know that your daughter was beaten, senseless, and then
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Speaker 1: murdered by this piece of shit? And he's still going
25:04
Speaker 1: to be able to breathe every day? Talk about a
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Speaker 1: living and waking nightmare. And the excuse people gave previously,
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Speaker 1: when they criticized Mr. Gonsalves, was that he was going
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Speaker 1: to ruin the integrity of the case.
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Speaker 2: Well, guess what?
25:16
Speaker 1: That's out the window now. Back up, let this man grieve,
25:19
Speaker 1: and let him say whatever.
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Speaker 2: The hell he wants.
25:22
Speaker 1: Because now that Brian Kohlberger admitted to murdering his daughter...
25:26
Speaker 1: I think bro has earned enough space to say whatever
25:29
Speaker 1: the fuck he wants. And if you don't like what
25:31
Speaker 1: he's saying, well, that sounds like a you problem. All
25:36
Speaker 1: of the information that goes with this episode can be
25:39
Speaker 1: found in the description box. What's up everyone and welcome
25:43
Speaker 1: back to the program. The state of Idaho has announced
25:48
Speaker 1: that they're going to seek the death penalty when it
25:51
Speaker 1: comes to Brian Koberger and that they intend to prove
25:54
Speaker 1: without a shadow of a doubt, that Brian Kohlberger is
25:58
Speaker 1: responsible for these murders. And this comes at a time
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Speaker 1: when the prosecution is being accused by the defense of
26:06
Speaker 1: not providing all of the DNA profiles that were used
26:10
Speaker 1: for testing and slow-walking the grand jury transcripts that tell
26:15
Speaker 1: the story about how the grand jury came to the
26:18
Speaker 1: decision to indict Brian Kohlberger. And like a cherry on
26:22
Speaker 1: top of all of that, as we're recording, Brian Koberger
26:25
Speaker 1: is in court where he's arguing that the proceedings against
26:29
Speaker 1: him should be stayed until he receives all of the
26:33
Speaker 1: information that we just talked about. And the state, they're
26:36
Speaker 1: being resistant to some of these requests, saying that some
26:40
Speaker 1: of them do not fall under the regulations of Idaho code.
26:45
Speaker 1: So there's going to be some back and forth between
26:48
Speaker 1: both sides. as they try and figure out what's going
26:50
Speaker 1: to be turned over and what's not going to be
26:53
Speaker 1: turned over. One thing we don't have to debate about, however,
26:56
Speaker 1: is how Mr. Steve Gonsalves feels when we're talking about
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Speaker 1: the death penalty. And in this episode, we're going to
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Speaker 1: hear from Steve Gonsalves, who is speaking out after the
27:06
Speaker 1: state of Idaho announced that this will be a capital
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Speaker 1: punishment case. Today's article was published by Today.com and the headline,
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Speaker 1: Dad of Idaho slaying victim reacts to news of prosecutors
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Speaker 1: seeking death penalty on the suspect. Steve Gonsalves said it
27:26
Speaker 1: was a relief prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against
27:29
Speaker 1: murder suspect Brian Kohlberger if he is convicted of the charges.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think there was ever a doubt that Mr.
27:36
Speaker 1: Gonsalves wanted this to be the end result. If Brian
27:40
Speaker 1: Kohlberger is guilty of these crimes, there is not a
27:44
Speaker 1: shred of doubt what Steve Gonsalves wants to happen. This
27:48
Speaker 1: article was authored by Anna Kaplan. The father of Kaylee Gonsalves,
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Speaker 1: one of the four University of Idaho students found slain
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Speaker 1: in an off-campus home last year, said it was a
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Speaker 1: relief to hear prosecutors are seeking the death penalty against
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Speaker 1: murder suspect Brian Kohlberger if he is convicted of the charges.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that we're in a situation of strength and
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Speaker 1: the evidence is there and we feel that we can,
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Speaker 1: they can, go forward with this. Steve Gonsalves said in
28:20
Speaker 1: an exclusive interview with NBC News. And now that it's
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Speaker 1: a capital punishment case, remember the burden of proof is
28:27
Speaker 1: even that much higher. So like we talked about in
28:29
Speaker 1: that previous episode, I highly doubt they'd be going after
28:32
Speaker 1: this in capital punishment form if they didn't have all
28:36
Speaker 1: of their ducks in a row or didn't think that
28:39
Speaker 1: they had all of their ducks in a row. Shannon Gray,
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Speaker 1: an attorney for the Gonsalves family, also lauded the decision
28:46
Speaker 1: from the prosecution and said he thinks the case is
28:49
Speaker 1: clearly cut out for the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: Me as well.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not a fan of the death penalty, as
28:55
Speaker 1: I've said a million times before. But if it's on
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Speaker 1: the books and the people of Idaho feel like it's
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Speaker 1: something that needs to happen, well, hey, who am I
29:04
Speaker 1: to tell the people of Idaho how to manage their state?
29:07
Speaker 1: I don't live there. I don't pay taxes there. So
29:10
Speaker 1: my opinion really doesn't mean squat. And if the people
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Speaker 1: of Idaho have decided that that's the ultimate form of punishment,
29:17
Speaker 1: if you dick around in their state, well, it's time
29:20
Speaker 1: to dance to their tune. And Brian Koberger is somebody
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Speaker 1: who is being accused of probably the most heinous crime
29:28
Speaker 1: in the history of the whole last state. So he's
29:31
Speaker 1: going to have to answer for that. And the people
29:34
Speaker 1: of Idaho say the ultimate answer is a capital punishment sentence.
29:39
Speaker 1: If you're not going to pursue the guy for the
29:41
Speaker 1: death penalty on a case like this, who are you
29:43
Speaker 1: going to pursue for death penalty?
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Speaker 2: Gray said. And that's where I fall.
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Speaker 1: If this doesn't meet the level of a death penalty case,
29:51
Speaker 1: then the death penalty should just be done away with
29:53
Speaker 1: because it doesn't get more heinous, more egregious than this. Kohlberger, 28,
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Speaker 1: is accused of killing Kaylee Gonsalves, Maddie Mogan, Zanna Kernodle,
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Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin, who were found dead with multiple stab
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Speaker 1: wounds at a home in Moscow, Idaho, in November. Kohlberger
30:13
Speaker 1: stood silent at his arraignment last month, and a judge
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Speaker 1: entered not guilty pleas on all of the murder charges
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Speaker 1: on his behalf, and the burglary charge, by the way.
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger is set to return to the courtroom on June 27th.
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Speaker 1: That's today, and it's happening as we speak for a
30:31
Speaker 1: pretrial hearing, where his legal team is asking the judge
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Speaker 1: to pause legal proceedings until prosecutors hand over records from
30:39
Speaker 1: last month's grand jury indictment. And that's the big point
30:42
Speaker 1: of contention here between the two sides right now. What
30:45
Speaker 1: they're going to hand over, meaning the prosecution, and what
30:48
Speaker 1: they're not going to hand over, and what is protected
30:52
Speaker 1: under seal. And I think at the end of the day,
30:54
Speaker 1: the judge is going to have to step in and
30:56
Speaker 1: make a decision.
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Speaker 2: One way or the other.
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Speaker 1: In a court filing earlier this month, prosecutors said Kohlberger's
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Speaker 1: DNA was a statistical match to DNA found on a
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Speaker 1: knife sheath found at the crime scene. Kohlberger's attorneys said
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Speaker 1: in a June 22nd court filing, Authorities did not find
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Speaker 1: DNA matching any of the four victims' DNA in his apartment, office, home,
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Speaker 1: or vehicle. And that sounds very damning on its face, right?
31:25
Speaker 1: You would think there'd be a lot of DNA transferred. Well,
31:28
Speaker 1: how long did Brian Koberger have between the time of
31:31
Speaker 1: these murders and the time that he was picked up?
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Speaker 1: And on top of that, I don't believe that the
31:36
Speaker 1: prosecution has released everything that's in their possession yet. Stephen Kramer,
31:42
Speaker 1: a former FBI attorney, told NBC News the period between
31:46
Speaker 1: the killings and Koberger's arrest could be a reason why
31:49
Speaker 1: no victim DNA was found at those locations. He had
31:53
Speaker 1: over a month before those search warrants are executed after
31:57
Speaker 1: the crime to throw away his clothes, wash his clothes,
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Speaker 1: wash his car, clean out his apartment, Kramer said. He
32:04
Speaker 1: added there is multiple ways to explain the lack of
32:07
Speaker 1: DNA in his vehicle, in his apartment. There's not a
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Speaker 1: lot of ways to explain his DNA on the sheath
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Speaker 1: of the murder weapon. And that's what it all comes
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Speaker 1: back to for me. I'm certainly under no preconceived notions
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Speaker 1: that it's Brian Koberger and it's a guarantee. What I
32:24
Speaker 1: have said from the very beginning is that the evidence
32:27
Speaker 1: so far built against him is damning as hell. But
32:30
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the process doesn't have to happen,
32:33
Speaker 1: that we don't have to go through all of the steps,
32:36
Speaker 1: that he doesn't get his day in court. because that's
32:38
Speaker 1: exactly what's happening here. And I'd be much more willing
32:41
Speaker 1: to look at Brian Koberger in a different manner if
32:44
Speaker 1: it wasn't for the totality of all of this evidence
32:48
Speaker 1: that's underpinned by this DNA on the sheath. Now, if
32:52
Speaker 1: his attorneys can come up with some kind of explanation
32:56
Speaker 1: for why his DNA is on that sheath that doesn't
32:59
Speaker 1: sound like absolute garbage, hey, I'm all ears. But until then,
33:03
Speaker 1: that's the biggest problem that him and his team are
33:07
Speaker 1: running into. Another legal battle is unfolding over the preservation
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Speaker 1: of the three-story house near the University of Idaho campus.
33:17
Speaker 1: The university said in a statement to NBC News it
33:19
Speaker 1: is working towards demolishing the house, though it does not
33:23
Speaker 1: have a date set for the demolition. We have limited
33:26
Speaker 1: staff working on several large projects, the school said. We
33:31
Speaker 1: hope to have the house down by the start of school.
33:34
Speaker 1: And their reasoning behind that is they don't want it
33:36
Speaker 1: to be a distraction, right? They don't want, you know,
33:39
Speaker 1: tourists to come there, true crime tourists to come there
33:42
Speaker 1: and post up shop and disrupt what's going on on
33:46
Speaker 1: the campus. Steve Gonsalves said his family has hesitated about
33:50
Speaker 1: demolishing the crime scene before the trial. I don't want
33:54
Speaker 1: to sit six months from now and hear somebody in
33:57
Speaker 1: the court case say, well, I really wish we could
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Speaker 1: be in the house right now, he said, and it's
34:02
Speaker 1: a possibility. Remember, the jury took a field trip down
34:07
Speaker 1: to Moselle in the Alec Murdoch aisle so they could
34:09
Speaker 1: look at the surroundings for themselves. So it's not something
34:13
Speaker 1: that's completely out of the realm of possibility. So knowing
34:16
Speaker 1: all of that, I think that the conservative approach here
34:19
Speaker 1: should be taken and the House should be left standing,
34:22
Speaker 1: at least for now. Gray added that once the case
34:25
Speaker 1: is over, he feels the university can do whatever they
34:28
Speaker 1: want with that property. That seems to be the most
34:31
Speaker 1: sensible way to go about it, right? Once everything's said
34:34
Speaker 1: and done here, you can go back and knock this
34:36
Speaker 1: house down at any point. Until then, put a big
34:40
Speaker 1: fence around it, whatever you have to do, but it
34:43
Speaker 1: has to be available if the jurors or the court
34:46
Speaker 1: need to go back to the scene of the crime, right?
34:49
Speaker 1: So I certainly don't see the rush on knocking this
34:51
Speaker 1: house down. Once the case is over, there's really no
34:55
Speaker 1: need for the house, he said. Then they can move on.
34:58
Speaker 1: They can do whatever they want with that property. But
35:01
Speaker 1: right now, it's just it's the crime scene. And I
35:04
Speaker 1: wonder if the court is going to be petitioned to
35:07
Speaker 1: step in here to help preserve this crime scene if
35:10
Speaker 1: that's the decision that they come to. Because I think
35:13
Speaker 1: that it's a good idea and it doesn't do any harm, right,
35:17
Speaker 1: to have that crime scene available for the investigators to
35:20
Speaker 1: go to or the jury or the court in general.
35:24
Speaker 1: So I think that taking a little bit of time here,
35:26
Speaker 1: leaving the house standing and having it available moving forward
35:30
Speaker 1: is probably the prudent decision. When asked whether the house
35:35
Speaker 1: would be preserved for the jury to do a walkthrough,
35:38
Speaker 1: the University of Idaho said, the house has been released
35:41
Speaker 1: by the court and both prosecutor and defense have verified
35:45
Speaker 1: they have no objection to its demolition. I wonder if
35:48
Speaker 1: that can be revisited. I'm guessing it can be, right?
35:52
Speaker 1: All the court has to do is step in, and
35:54
Speaker 1: write up an order, and then that's the end of that.
35:57
Speaker 1: They can't demolish the house if Judge Judge says, look,
36:00
Speaker 1: I need this house as a crime scene. So it's
36:02
Speaker 1: going to be interesting to see what comes of that,
36:04
Speaker 1: but as far as Steve Gonsalves and his opinion about
36:07
Speaker 1: the death penalty, that's certainly not a surprise to anybody,
36:11
Speaker 1: and I would think that, moving forward, When the evidence
36:15
Speaker 1: becomes even more clear, we're going to hear more from
36:18
Speaker 1: Steve Gonsalves, especially now that the gag order has been
36:21
Speaker 1: pared back.
36:23
Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
36:25
Speaker 1: Obviously, we're going to have some more when we get
36:27
Speaker 1: some information about what went down in court today. And
36:30
Speaker 1: once we have that information, we'll make sure we get
36:32
Speaker 1: it added to the catalog.
36:35
Speaker 2: All of the.
36:35
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36:41
Speaker 2: You made this.
36:42
Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Ever
36:47
Speaker 1: since the murders in Moscow occurred and we found out
36:51
Speaker 1: who the victims were, we all knew right away that
36:54
Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves' parents weren't going to be the kind of
36:58
Speaker 1: people that just sat back and let things occur. Instead,
37:02
Speaker 1: they were going to take a much more proactive approach
37:04
Speaker 1: and and demand justice every step of the way. And
37:08
Speaker 1: that has not abated in the wake of Brian Kohlberger's arrest.
37:13
Speaker 2: If anything, it's only accelerated.
37:16
Speaker 1: And we've heard from Steve and Christy Gonsalves before about
37:19
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger and the way he is coming to court
37:22
Speaker 1: dressed and how the fact that he's wearing a suit
37:25
Speaker 1: to court makes them sick. And I completely empathize with
37:29
Speaker 1: their position. If this was a man who the authorities
37:33
Speaker 1: told me that murdered my child, I'd feel the same
37:36
Speaker 1: exact way. But when you look at it from an
37:39
Speaker 1: outside perspective, we have to keep in mind that Brian Kohlberger,
37:43
Speaker 1: he hasn't been convicted of anything yet. So the fact
37:47
Speaker 1: that he's wearing a suit, the fact that he's not shackled,
37:51
Speaker 1: I get why the optics of it look bad for
37:54
Speaker 1: the victim's families. But when we're talking about the pursuit
37:57
Speaker 1: of a fair trial, of trying to impanel a jury
38:01
Speaker 1: without that jury pool being tainted, then I think it's
38:04
Speaker 1: a good idea to let them present their client as
38:07
Speaker 1: somebody who, for now anyway, is still innocent. And honestly,
38:12
Speaker 1: does it really matter what Brian Koberger wears? With as
38:15
Speaker 1: much evidence as they have stacked against this dude, you
38:18
Speaker 1: really think that if he's rocking a John Gotti, Armani
38:22
Speaker 1: kind of suit, it's going to matter in the long run?
38:24
Speaker 1: My guess is those jurors aren't really going to care
38:27
Speaker 1: what Brian Koberger's wearing. But it's the appearance, the outward appearance,
38:32
Speaker 1: the optics. So, As much as I empathize with the
38:35
Speaker 1: Gonsalves family and totally understand why they would feel like this,
38:40
Speaker 1: I understand why the court is going the other way
38:44
Speaker 1: and why Brian Koberger is allowed to wear what he's wearing.
38:49
Speaker 1: They want to give off the appearance that their client
38:51
Speaker 1: is innocent, right? They don't want him to look like
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Speaker 1: a criminal. And in fact, until he's convicted by a
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Speaker 1: jury of his peers, we have to keep in mind
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Speaker 1: that he's innocent, right? As much as we think he's guilty,
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Speaker 1: as much as the evidence is stacked against him, until
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Speaker 1: he is convicted by that jury, as far as the
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Speaker 1: legal system is concerned, Koberger is still an innocent man.
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Speaker 1: So that's something we have to keep in mind. Today
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Speaker 1: we have an article from The Sun and the headline.
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Speaker 1: In the doc, Kaylee Gonsalves' mom demands change for Idaho
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Speaker 1: murder suspect Brian Koberger in court and says his suit
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Speaker 1: makes her sick. This article was authored by Emma Crabtree.
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Speaker 1: The mother of Idaho murder victim Kaylee Gonsalves has demanded
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Speaker 1: that her daughter's alleged killer no longer receive pre-trial special treatment.
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger is set to stand trial next year for
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Speaker 1: the deaths of four University of Idaho students, who had
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Speaker 1: been brutally stabbed in their off-campus home. And this has
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Speaker 1: been a point of contention for Kaylee's family for a
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Speaker 1: very long time now. They've talked about the suit in court.
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Speaker 1: They've talked about all of this. And not only that,
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Speaker 1: but they've been critics of the investigation from the beginning,
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Speaker 1: whether it had to do with the gag order or
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Speaker 1: the fact that they said they weren't receiving enough information
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Speaker 1: from the investigators. There has been a lot of tension
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Speaker 1: here from the jump. And that doesn't seem like it's abating, right?
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Speaker 1: It seems like there's still that contention, and if there
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Speaker 1: was no gag order in this case, I'm guessing that
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Speaker 1: we'd be hearing a whole lot more from the Gonsalves family.
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Speaker 1: But they have been very outspoken, they've been very upfront
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Speaker 1: about how they feel, and putting myself in their position,
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Speaker 1: I would feel the same exact way. But looking at
40:38
Speaker 1: it from an outside point of view, a more surgical
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Speaker 1: point of view, if you will, then I understand what
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Speaker 1: the game plan is for having Brian Koberger get as
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Speaker 1: much of a fair shake During this trial is possible.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to deal with some kind of appeal.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to deal with any kind of nonsense.
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Speaker 1: So I completely understand. What they're doing here. But for
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Speaker 1: the families. I also understand that the optics. They could
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Speaker 1: look real bad. It could look like Brian Kohlberger is
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Speaker 1: getting some kind of. Preferential treatment. It could look like
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Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger. And his team are getting some victories where
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Speaker 1: they shouldn't. But really what's going on. Is the judge
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Speaker 1: is trying to make it. As fair as possible. And
41:19
Speaker 1: if you've noticed when we've covered these cases, a lot
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Speaker 1: of times you'll see the judge give both sides a
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Speaker 1: bit of a victory when we have an issue that
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Speaker 1: is contentious. And I don't doubt that that's what we're
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Speaker 1: going to see as we continue to move forward. But
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Speaker 1: in this instance, I don't think that the judge or
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Speaker 1: the court is going to step in and tell Brian
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Speaker 1: Koberger that he has to wear black. Prison issued closed
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Speaker 1: to court when he hasn't even been convicted yet. He
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Speaker 1: has maintained his innocence as not guilty pleased of four
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Speaker 1: charges of first-degree murder and one charge of burglary were
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Speaker 1: entered on his behalf in May. Monday will mark exactly
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Speaker 1: one year from when police discovered the bodies of Kaylee
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Speaker 1: and her best friend Madison Mogan, both 22, as well
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Speaker 1: as Anna Kernodle, 21, and her boyfriend, Ethan Chapin. While
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Speaker 1: awaiting trial, the families of the victims and the 28-year-old
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Speaker 1: suspect have appeared in court for a series of hearings.
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves' mother, Christy Gonsalves, told News Nation that Koberger's behavior
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Speaker 1: and appearance in court makes her sick. And I completely understand.
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Speaker 1: If it was my daughter who was murdered, I'd be
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Speaker 1: disgusted by sitting across from this dude. And especially knowing
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Speaker 1: that there's a delay in justice, the trial being pushed
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Speaker 1: back All the stuff that's going on, I would be
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Speaker 1: highly agitated if I was the family. So again, I
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Speaker 1: think the Gonsalves family, considering the terrible circumstances, has handled
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Speaker 1: themselves in a masterful way. Look, they're advocating for their
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Speaker 1: murdered daughter. I think people need to remember that and
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Speaker 1: understand that. I know that not everybody likes the outspoken approach,
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Speaker 1: but I respect it. and you could either sit on
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Speaker 1: the sidelines and wait for justice to come, or you
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Speaker 1: can be an advocate for that justice, and you can
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Speaker 1: get on the ground and get to work. And the
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves family, well, they've chosen to get on the ground
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Speaker 1: and get to work. It makes me sick that he
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Speaker 1: sits there in his suit, and he sits there and
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Speaker 1: taps his hands, the heartbroken mother said. She continued, I've
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Speaker 1: never seen another murderer, or whatever he is at this point,
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Speaker 1: in a case, not in handcuffs, not in shackles, one
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Speaker 1: or the other, or both, and an orange. The suspect
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Speaker 1: initially attended hearings in court wearing the traditional orange jumpsuit,
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Speaker 1: but shortly after he began wearing a suit and a tie.
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Speaker 1: It's not the first time the Gonsalves family has spoken
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Speaker 1: out about Kohlberger's alleged pre-trial privileges, and the Gonsalves family
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Speaker 1: has every right to say whatever is on their mind.
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Speaker 1: If they think that this dude wearing a suit is gross,
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Speaker 1: then they have every right to say that. Christie's husband, Steve,
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Speaker 1: previously told Fox News Digital that he had been told
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Speaker 1: that Kohlberger had been given five suits, video and computer
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Speaker 1: special treatment, and vegan meals while in custody.
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Speaker 2: The vegan meals.
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Speaker 1: Should be like whatever the vegetable option is for everybody else.
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Speaker 1: Why are you making special meals for people? I never
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Speaker 1: understood that. No special meals for you, bro. You're going
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Speaker 1: to get whatever everybody else is getting. And if you
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Speaker 1: just want to eat your beans and your corn, then
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Speaker 1: go for it. I think that special diets and special
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Speaker 1: privileges should be reserved for inmates who are doing the
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Speaker 1: right thing, who have decided to change their life, and
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Speaker 1: who are going to get out someday. If you're in
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Speaker 1: there for the rest of your life for murdering somebody, buddy,
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Speaker 1: enjoy the beans, enjoy the rice. Maybe, just maybe, you'll
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Speaker 1: get a PBJ every now and then. The bereaved father
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Speaker 1: added that this is unprecedented in the history of Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Steve noted, I witnessed the moment they agreed not to
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Speaker 1: handcuff him in court. Regrettably, it seems that the judge
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Speaker 1: and prosecutor are overly concerned with accommodating the defense, leaving us,
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Speaker 1: the advocates for our children, with no choice but to
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Speaker 1: step forward. And again, look, I completely understand what Mr.
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Speaker 1: Gonsalves is saying here. But on the flip side of that,
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Speaker 1: The court and the judge, they're trying to look at
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Speaker 1: the big picture.
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Speaker 2: They're hoping to.
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Speaker 1: Avoid a situation where there's an appeal that pops up
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Speaker 1: that turns out bad and gets a conviction thrown out.
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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to deal with that. Imagine starting at square
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Speaker 1: one all over again after Brian Koberger gets convicted if
45:35
Speaker 1: that happens. That would be an absolute nightmare for everybody involved,
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Speaker 1: never mind the families. So I understand what the prosecution's doing.
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Speaker 1: And I understand why the prosecution has kept everything close
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Speaker 1: to their vest. But at this point, when these families
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Speaker 1: are struggling through their grief still and wanting justice, that
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Speaker 1: gives them little relief. It looks to them like Brian
45:59
Speaker 1: Kohlberger is being dealt a special hand, right? That's what
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Speaker 1: it looks like. That's what the optics look like. But
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Speaker 1: in reality, what's happening is the judge is giving them
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Speaker 1: enough leeway here so that later on down the road,
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Speaker 1: there's no issues. As the parents fight for justice for
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Speaker 1: their daughter, Christy admitted to NewsNation the worst part, obviously,
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Speaker 1: is being in the same room with him and knowing
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Speaker 1: what he has done. Yeah, that has to be terrible. Like,
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Speaker 1: that has to be not only uncomfortable, but enraging. Imagine
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Speaker 1: sitting across from the person that the government was telling
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Speaker 1: you murdered your child. Think about how you would feel
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Speaker 1: for a minute. And I can honestly tell you, I
46:41
Speaker 1: don't think that I would have any kind of act
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Speaker 1: right if it was me. Both Christy and Steve have
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Speaker 1: spoken out about their desire for Koberger to face the
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Speaker 1: death penalty if found guilty. The Gonsalves family is anxious
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Speaker 1: for justice after the judge announced that Koberger's trial, which
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Speaker 1: was supposed to begin on October 2nd, would be pushed
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Speaker 1: back indefinitely. Prosecutors requested the delay immediately. in the trial
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Speaker 1: to give themselves time to create 3D models of the
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Speaker 1: crime scene, according to a statement from the university. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's not true. This all happened because Brian Koberger waived
47:18
Speaker 1: his right to a speedy trial. That's what gave them
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Speaker 1: more time. It wasn't like the FBI or the prosecutors
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Speaker 1: petitioned the court. They went along with it because they
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Speaker 1: understand that, in the long run, this behooves them. Not
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Speaker 1: because they think that they don't have the goods To
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Speaker 1: slam the door on Kohlberger, FBI investigators revisited the Moscow
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Speaker 1: house on October 31st and November 1st to conduct further investigations.
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Speaker 1: And obviously we'll have no idea what they got from
47:48
Speaker 1: those investigations until we get to the trial. Because it's
47:52
Speaker 1: going to be all kinds of renderings, slideshows, you name it.
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Speaker 1: All of that stuff is going to be presented and
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Speaker 1: probably presented during opening statements. But as that journey to
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Speaker 1: get there continues, we're going to be here every step
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Speaker 1: of the way, cataloging everything that goes down. All of
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Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
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