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You Don't Need a Degree to Do the Thing · The Uplifters

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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, Uplifters, you know how much I love experimenting and trying new things.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am nominating my friend Jennifer Carter.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jennifer is a brand new novelist.
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  SPEAKER_02: She just wrote her first book and I was her hiking buddy in Los Angeles
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  SPEAKER_02: and we're very dear friends.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I got to hear every scary iteration,
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  SPEAKER_02: but she heard a passion and felt a calling and she published her book
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  SPEAKER_02: and she did her artwork and she She's put it out to the world and she's promoting it
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  SPEAKER_02: and I know her very well and she's just a person who lifts other people up,
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  SPEAKER_02: uplifter.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's definitely an uplifter and she's just brave.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she's just so tenacious and brave.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hey, Uplifters.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to The Uplifters Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm Aransas Savas,
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  SPEAKER_03: and I've spent 20 years at the intersection of behavior change research
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  SPEAKER_03: and coaching, helping midlife women do big, brave things.
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  SPEAKER_03: Every week on this show,
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  SPEAKER_03: I get to We talked to an inspiring woman in the second half of her life to learn
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  SPEAKER_03: from her how we can all do big, brave things.
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  SPEAKER_03: Today,
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  SPEAKER_03: we're going to talk about what it actually takes to step into A new profession or
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  SPEAKER_03: a new creative pursuit when you've already built something through a lot of blood,
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  SPEAKER_03: sweat, and tears.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because so many of us have been trained through the media and through
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  SPEAKER_03: the Family stories that we've inherited.
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  SPEAKER_03: To believe that there's just one door to the thing we want.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if we don't go through that door right on schedule and exactly
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  SPEAKER_03: the way we expected, then sorry, friend, too late for you.
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  SPEAKER_03: You missed your chance.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe there's more than one life and you can be reincarnated and do it then.
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  SPEAKER_03: My guest today is going to prove that maybe that's not the case.
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  SPEAKER_03: Her name is Jennifer Shea Carter,
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  SPEAKER_03: and she was nominated by the extraordinary Mandy Fabian,
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  SPEAKER_03: who you probably fell madly in love with in the earlier episode
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  SPEAKER_03: where she was featured.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Jennifer worked really, really, really hard and did this sort of unthinkable thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: She was successful in an acting career.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's like,
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_03: a one in a billion chance because it's a really,
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  SPEAKER_03: really hard career that takes a lot of resilience and a lot of bonkers hard work.
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  SPEAKER_03: And she built a career in theater and in film and television.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that included a national tour of the Pulitzer Prize winning play Proof,
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  SPEAKER_03: which is now back on Broadway.
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  SPEAKER_03: And she It's a very big deal.
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  SPEAKER_03: And now she's taking maybe all that she learned and all that resilience she built
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  SPEAKER_03: and all the courage she cultivated in translating it into something new because
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  SPEAKER_03: in midlife, she has written a novel called What Happened to Annabelle Taylor.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's a big shift for somebody who was all in on one thing for a really long time.
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  SPEAKER_03: And while that can sound...
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  SPEAKER_03: Kind of shocking, I guess, given the narratives that we hear.
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  SPEAKER_03: The truth is the research shows that we're actually really well equipped
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  SPEAKER_03: to make these big pivots in midlife.
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  SPEAKER_03: Midlife women have been shown through research to be uniquely capable of taking
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  SPEAKER_03: on what psychologists refer to as possible selves.
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  SPEAKER_03: So basically like visions of a new version of ourselves and to believe in
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  SPEAKER_03: the possibility of that, which is really what it takes to do it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that we can do it with more intention,
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  SPEAKER_03: a lot more wisdom, and a lot less of what's often referred to as ego threat.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, by midlife especially, we've built up a lot of credibility.
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  SPEAKER_03: We've built up a lot of identity around one thing and around being successful often
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  SPEAKER_03: at one thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that can feel kind of vulnerable to step outside of.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yet, midlife women do it again and again.
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  SPEAKER_03: And maybe it's just because we've survived so much
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  SPEAKER_03: that we know we can survive even more hard stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so we let ourselves try new things.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's what we're going to explore today with Jennifer.
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  SPEAKER_03: And my hope is that in listening to this,
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  SPEAKER_03: you start to ask yourself, what big brave thing you set aside?
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  SPEAKER_03: Whether it was learning Spanish or singing on stage or writing a book or,
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know,
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  SPEAKER_03: becoming a therapist and what this conversation might mean for you
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  SPEAKER_03: and your second half.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Jen, hi, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for being here today.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is so exciting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And oh my gosh, it's just so exciting to be able to talk about everything you just stated.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yay.
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  SPEAKER_01: This later part in life and these new visions,
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  SPEAKER_01: visions or ideas you've never even once thought of.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you thought you couldn't, which was a big one for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I love,
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  SPEAKER_01: I love everything you said because it just ding,
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  SPEAKER_01: ding, ding, rings all the bells and whistles and yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the ego threat.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a big one, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's like... That's a big one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's start there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Where do you want to...
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, like, when did you even start flirting with the idea of writing a book?
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  SPEAKER_03: God, that is...
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  SPEAKER_01: I get asked that a lot because in a way, it was a huge pivot from what I normally would do.
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  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, it was also a very creative...
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of had a really bad breakup with screenwriting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I actually started writing screenplays while I was on tour with Proof.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that also was something that I had never anticipated in my life that I would do.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never even thought of myself as a writer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought of myself as a performer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I take characters and I bring them to life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so this whole writing thing was very kind of like a private exercise,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe, of getting ideas out that I couldn't get out in characters.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does that make sense?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, totally.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because it's like you were working with the material you were given.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you had a director to tell you,
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  SPEAKER_01: you need to bump that up a little bit or bring it down or go faster or get
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  SPEAKER_01: a little more emotional here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you really had somebody to help you play.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you're writing, it's really all you and all of your ideas.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's kind of a no man's land in a way.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's very intimidating and scary.
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  SPEAKER_01: And well, how do you get from point A to point B?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not written for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't have the lines to say.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think that's like the scary part of anything truly creative.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I felt like I studied to be an actor, got my master's in it and all that business.
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  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Came to New York and wanted to be an actor.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then I was like, oh, wait, this does not feel very creative.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I think a lot of people find the creativity in it, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like they find the freedom within the framework.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I was like a rebellious child and was like this,
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  SPEAKER_03: like there is not enough freedom in this framework.
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  SPEAKER_01: I feel like I'm being bossed around.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, that's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: See, that bossiness,
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  SPEAKER_01: that being bossed around was something that I clung to because I didn't know
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  SPEAKER_01: who I was.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I was very young, I was so shy and so intimidated by life.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't really able to engage in Unless I was playing,
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  SPEAKER_01: pretending to be a princess,
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  SPEAKER_01: pretending to be a tree, pretending to be anything but myself, really.
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  SPEAKER_01: And acting really grounded me, really made me come alive.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's where I felt the most comfortable.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so having somebody kind of tell me what to do or where to stand, I was like, I'm all in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really kind of like absorbed that and thrived on it because I could do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have to think about me.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just had to think about the character and her wants and needs and how to accomplish that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Let go of Jennifer and let's bring her in.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that was like, Amazing to me and fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could like get rid of all of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to be Jennifer, but I know how to be that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's some sadness in there, you know, and I definitely grew out of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I started to have some success in acting,
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew who I was and I knew my likes and dislikes and I just knew who I was way more
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  SPEAKER_01: than I did when I was seven or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's so interesting that you were like, no, don't boss me around.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, yeah, boss me around.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, somebody
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  SPEAKER_03: give me freedom.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I think what I think is cool here is what you're pointing to is like,
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  SPEAKER_03: and I think this is true for so many of us in midlife.
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  SPEAKER_03: There are different vehicles for getting to the same goal.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so you were always...
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  SPEAKER_01: Looking to create worlds.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, 100%.
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  SPEAKER_03: Little girl, you was creating worlds.
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  SPEAKER_03: Actor, you was creating worlds.
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  SPEAKER_03: Script writing, you was.
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  SPEAKER_03: And now you have the ultimate playground.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my God.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yet for somebody who liked to be bossed around...
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  SPEAKER_03: That and like to like find the freedom within the framework,
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  SPEAKER_03: that would have been like really intimidating to say like blank page,
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  SPEAKER_03: do whatever you want.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It really hit me over the head in a way I never even expected.
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  SPEAKER_01: It really came out of the blue.
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  SPEAKER_03: And by it, you mean like the idea?
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  SPEAKER_03: Writing the book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the idea kind of snuck up on me, but I didn't know what it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that it was a book.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know that the idea in my head was a book, but it wouldn't leave me alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's so funny because Mandy and I, when she did live here, we would go on hikes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was a place where we could just get all of our angst out and just like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was awesome because we could like break through some of the creative blocks
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  SPEAKER_01: that we were having and kind of help each other out and kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of like see clearly what we were really going through.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I shared with her, That I couldn't write any more screenplays.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I would sit down.
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  SPEAKER_01: And were you like sending your screenplays out or were you just still writing them
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  SPEAKER_03: just for you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I had a literary agent and I was having meetings and I had,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: written three screenplays on my own with these ideas and they were being kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of like chopped around and whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was great.
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  SPEAKER_01: Until it wasn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: Until there was a very bad relationship with some producers who were very interested
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  SPEAKER_01: in a script.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it just disheartened me so much how the process was of that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I lost hope in the creative world and how to...
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  SPEAKER_01: Bring these ideas to life.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's such a hard business and you really have to love it so much in order to get
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  SPEAKER_01: through the hard stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because without that love and adoration for what you do, it's just not going to last.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'll break you down.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I kind of got broken down.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't,
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  SPEAKER_01: I took a step back from writing just because there was nothing,
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  SPEAKER_01: there was nothing there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had no imagery, nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was a very sad time.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then this idea wouldn't leave me alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like literally, it was just like, like it just was, hello, knock, knock.
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  SPEAKER_01: It just would not let go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, what is this?
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  SPEAKER_03: And was the idea, was it the story itself or was it a book?
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  SPEAKER_03: Was it like this is a book or was it this is a story that needs to be told?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was the character.
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew who she was and I knew the problem that she was having, little psychological meltdown.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I knew that she was getting entangled in a very, very scandal thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was exciting.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like it was bringing me back to life.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, God, this
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  SPEAKER_02: is so fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is so this is.
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  SPEAKER_01: What is this?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe this will get me out of my writing block or so I've used it as an exercise
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  SPEAKER_01: to write again, thinking it was, well, maybe it's just maybe it's a monologue.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's a short story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's a poem.
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew it wasn't a screenplay, which is very weird because that's how I wrote.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wrote visually.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had visions and images and, you know, and this was just slightly different.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I wanted to respect that and not force it into this thing that I had just kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of broken up with.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I just start, I was writing again and it was just coming out and it felt so good.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm reading it back and I like maybe a couple of weeks in,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I think this is a chapter.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think this is like, am I writing a book?
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: I knew it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Once I had that thought,
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  SPEAKER_01: because it was so foreign to me,
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  SPEAKER_01: I had never, ever in a million years thought that I'd ever write a book.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ironically enough,
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  SPEAKER_01: my literary H&F,
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  SPEAKER_01: long ago,
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  SPEAKER_01: I had written a screenplay and he said,
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  SPEAKER_01: he goes, you know, Jennifer, I think this is either a play or a book.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, well, it's definitely not a book, but maybe it's a play.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I tried to see it as a play.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nope.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now I'm looking back at that and I'm going, that absolutely could be a book.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these weird like there was so much wind in my back kind of propelling me forward
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  SPEAKER_01: to just sit down and write this thing in my head.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it just flowed like the water flowing down the river.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was so easy, easy as in.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was still a challenge and still hard,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it was a surprise to be able to write in that form and have so much joy
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  SPEAKER_01: and freedom and excitement.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was so new and I wasn't scared of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was embracing it and it felt really powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't know if I was gonna even send it out to anyone or have anybody even read it.
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  SPEAKER_03: It really was such a personal, personal event, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_03: It seems like one of the big factors here is that you didn't have a lot of expectations, period.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zero.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are so right.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was like that right there kind of took the weight off of Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it sounds like you were able to stay out of your own way in a lot of ways
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  SPEAKER_03: because you didn't have a lot of weight attached to any outcome,
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  SPEAKER_03: including it being great, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Right?
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  SPEAKER_03: If you're writing something and you know you want to sell it, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like there's already so much expectation there.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: If you're writing something and you know people are going to read it, there's expectation there.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know,
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  SPEAKER_03: like if you already have a reputation and There's expectation to live up to
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  SPEAKER_03: that reputation.
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  SPEAKER_03: But you were just like, this wants to be written and I'm going to show up and write it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I actually think like, what a freeing concept for all the things, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: What if I just go learn some stuff?
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  SPEAKER_03: What if I go practice this thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think like one of the things that,
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  SPEAKER_01: and this might sound odd,
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  SPEAKER_01: but one of the things that was very freeing as well was that I didn't know how
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: to write a book.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't go to class to learn how to write a book,
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: you know, like it just, there was no, so I had no expectations of myself.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_01: I really, truly didn't.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: I just knew that this was bringing me so much joy and it was so much fun and it was
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: In sort of the realm of creativity that I was mourning and missed and knew,
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: wasn't sure I would go back to.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still not sure I'll go back to that.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: But this was like, not replacing it, but giving me something that was really important.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it was giving me just that creative outlet that just me as a person,
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: and I think many of us out here, Yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: We need a creative outlet.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: But then I also just think like,
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: I giggled to myself just now that the metaphor that came to mind
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_03: for me was gluten-free bread.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like you realize you've got like celiac and you can't have gluten-y bread anymore.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, dude, I miss bread so much.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, well, what is it about bread?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like, and it's that, like, it's the texture.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's the way it sops up sauce, right?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's all the things it does.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: It may not even be the thing itself.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: And so then you make some bread that doesn't hurt you.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right, exactly.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's safe now.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: It still sops up sauce and accompanies your soup and like meets your needs,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: but in a way that doesn't harm you.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, that's perfect.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: And what a surprise.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: What a surprise.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: What a surprise.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Completely unexpected surprise that two and a half years later, You know, there it is.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like there it is on my computer, like 33, 35 chapters, a prologue.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm still like...
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like super tangible in this weird AI virtual world where everything feels
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_03: so like artificial and...
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_03: Intangible.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: You've made something really real and complete.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: it just builds so many desires
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: and imaginational like areas I never thought I would go into.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: And it just was a huge blessing.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my gosh.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: When we're doing something like this,
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: a lot of our fears fall into one of two categories and usually both.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I kind of think of them as capability fears.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: Will I be able to do it?
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: And it sounds like because you didn't have a lot of expectations,
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: that wasn't like a huge factor.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: You were like, I did it.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: And then, oh, wow, I like what I've made.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: But the other is the permission fear.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: Do I have permission to do this from the world?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Do I have permission for myself to do this?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: And ultimately, because I think you self-published, as I recall.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: So you sort of created your own permission and did something.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: There were no gatekeepers there like your screenplay.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_03: You were the gatekeeper.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like I say I
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: get to pass go.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: And when,
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: like it was so because there was some interest and it was interesting because
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: a couple of people I talked to when there was interest,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: they're like, well,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: why don't you just,
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: you know, they're going to be so much easier if you just go there right there.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, but.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: I just, my stomach is in a knot now.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just, I don't, I feel like I'm in, like I got all those feelings again.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I just knew that, no,
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think I,
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: I think I just need to do it this way because I haven't had that knot in my stomach.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's not been there and it's just been me.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: And now that this is a possibility, all that is back again.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I just, I didn't want that.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want that.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's when I knew that, okay,
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: self-publishing is the way to go for me after making the decision
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: to actually put it out there.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_03: So the just me thing, though, is its own particular puzzle, right?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like part of the reason we want all these other systems and we want the frameworks
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: and the form and the structure around us is because then it's not just me.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's not on me.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: That feels scary.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: And yet it is now you set it up.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, this is Jennifer's writing.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: This is Jennifer's publishing.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is Jennifer's marketing.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: This is Jennifer's work.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's you.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_03: And so what has that experience been like for you to put your heart out
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: and say like,
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_03: first of all,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: that first layer, like friends and family, see me, love me, be kind to me.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_03: And then to the broader external world.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like read this, have an experience with it that I can't control.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think it has been really good for me because I've gotten praise and I've gotten,
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: I can't believe you did that.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm so surprised you did that.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I really loved it.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I also did the audio book.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't do the audio book.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_01: I tried and I was way too critical of myself.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I couldn't get past the first paragraph.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder that.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, she's an actor.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't hear her doing her acting.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it would be fun.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, this sounds like a different voice.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I couldn't, I was just like, no, this is not, I am not the person for this.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe somebody else's book, definitely.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I couldn't, it was just, it wasn't.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I found a wonderful narrator and she brought it to life.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly how I had heard it in my head.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was amazing.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: But even that, I've had some really positive, wonderful messages and feedback.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then I've also had...
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: One star.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is a nothing burger.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is not.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't get that as much with acting.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: You do.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it's this was different because I wrote it.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: I put it out.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: If the.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's the director.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's the playwright.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like the screenwriter.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: This was, there's one person, she's right here.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: So it was hearing all of that and I really had to kind of check myself a little bit
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: and go, okay, you can go two ways here.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can go really sad and go down that rabbit hole of you did a horrible job
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: or you can learn from it and try to, should you write another book?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: Learn from possibly maybe there is some helpful criticism in those bad reviews.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so it is hard to receive that,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: of course,
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: because this was a,
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: even though it's not me,
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: the character is not me,
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: I did pull from my life and put it in a salad spinner and And
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: then it became something else.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: But there is a lot of experiences in there that did happen to me that I have experienced.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: And so when you do get like somebody going, this was just the worst thing I've read.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe not that hard.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: Why do people have to say that stuff?
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, you don't have something.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's out there, you know, you're going to get both.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to happen.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you just got to be able to go, well,
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: it made that person feel a certain way and maybe they're processing it in a way
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: that they can't quite handle what button I may have pushed.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: And also like that was just their experience of it.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you don't have a point of view, then what's the point?
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like you,
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I wrote this,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I decided to put it out there and I knew going into that,
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: not everybody was going to love it as much as me.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: But a lot of people would.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then there would be some that don't.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I was OK with that.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that was so good for me to experience that it's OK for somebody
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: to love it and also for somebody to kind of be mediocre about it or not like it.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know, I just kind of accepted it.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: I accepted it all and just tried not to get too, I don't know, screwed up by it.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what I mean?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Because what a waste.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: Why would you ever do anything brave again if all your energy was going into those people?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, it is a book that deals with mental health and psychological stress.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of mental health out there right now,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: the issue of mental health and caring for one's mind and spirit.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I really wanted to make sure that that was handled in a very supported,
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: researched way so that it didn't just come across as make-believe.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: That you were being responsible if you were going to put this out.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for sure.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's super smart and thoughtful.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: And it just speaks to the fact that you weren't just doing this because it felt good to you.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: You wanted it to have a positive impact.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: And to serve the reader while also being a creative and authentic expression.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: And while being on this kind of dangerous journey with this unreliable person.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like, I think that's super fun.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: The whole thing.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: I could just.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's crazy.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: So can we talk about what life is like now that your book is now, I think, a year old?
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: It just had its year anniversary.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was last month.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I was struck as I read,
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: a couple of things struck me as I read some things about you and what you shared.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_03: So your bio, I noticed, did something that a lot of women in midlife do in their bio.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Do you have any guesses what I'm going to say?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, I should have a guess.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't mention the book.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't mention the book.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't mention the book.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't mention the book and a lot of people don't.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: That is so funny.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's interesting to you.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: What are we doing here?
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like people who professionally promote their books who are right.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm fascinated by this and I'm like, what's going on there?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: That is so funny.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my God.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm having a moment, truly, because I totally should have put that in my bio.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: You did it.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you did the book.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's real.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want to know my theory on it?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, please.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: That it's part of stepping into the new identity and writing the book is different
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: than saying I am a writer.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, my God.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: Claiming it.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's, I think, exactly it.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: They're clearly, you know, that's a great example of me still accepting that I am a writer.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because that was something,
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: as I said,
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: earlier on,
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: I never considered myself to be an author,
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: a writer of a book or... And here it is sort of still floating around in me.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: And I imagine the screenwriting experience sort of tugged at any pre-existing fears.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you know what?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think I did mention this in communication with you before here,
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: is that because even when I was writing screenplays,
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: I never considered myself a writer.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: I never did.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: And here I had like,
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: four screenplays and still was just, I was calling myself, oh, I'm an actor.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: Who writes screenplays.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Who writes screenplays.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_01: And that ties back to not going to school for it,
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_01: not doing the proper protocol to be able to say and have the credentials of being
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: a writer.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah,
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: and I think I'm still sort of figuring that out if that was my upbringing or if
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: that, you know, because I did go to school for acting.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: I went through so much training and soaked it all in as much as I could
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: and did not do that with writing.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so there might be a little glitch there.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Going, well, you didn't have education for that.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, you took creative writing in college, not real.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: but that's something I wish that I could have broken through earlier
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: and realize just because you don't have formal education or whatever it might be,
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: technical study of something that you are doing doesn't mean you are not that thing.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think we all need to just hear that over and over and over again.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm doing it with my own book.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_03: I've got this big book deal.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: I got my scholarships from college from writing.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: I write a newsletter several times a week.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: Anyone in my world sees
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: me as a writer.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: As a writer, yes.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: I met with my publisher yesterday and we were talking about citations
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: and I realized I have like such a terror of writing the research citations
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_03: for my book.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because I feel like that is something that people learned when they went to writing school.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God, that is so funny.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's ridiculous.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_03: This is not a hard thing to do.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: And yet, It feels like hidden knowledge that I would have acquired at 24 that I've like now
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: at 51 need to learn.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: And I think that's kind of what happens in my own glitch where it's like I worked
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: in business for 20 years, but I didn't have an MBA.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: And it's been a long time going like, don't tell anybody I don't know how to use a spreadsheet.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's so funny.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly it, though.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: We like stop ourselves from really claiming it because of certain really ridiculous reasons.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Really small stuff.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so I think we just need to keep saying it over and over again.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: So...
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me, how do you see yourself?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: How would you introduce yourself at a party?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: I would definitely, I would absolutely say that I'm an author.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a writer, you know, whichever one comes out first, author, writer, who knows?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: But one of them, definitely.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: And... Are you still an actor?
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think...
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, my son is in, my son just turned 16.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: And he's in an arts high school and he's in the cinematic arts department.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: So he has to make these short films and he's always asking me, using me to be in them.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's when I act.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then like some of his friends will ask me, they're so cute and shy.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, did you ask your mom if she'll be in my short movie?
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're so sweet.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know,
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: because they do, they know me from Victorious or NCIS, whatever it might be, movies.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm there for them.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be there on set with these students that are going for it
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: and support them,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_01: have them ask me questions, whatever, and just be there so they can...
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: work with a professional actor that they may not have access to
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: and just see what that's like.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so that I would say is when I act, but I don't have the desire like I used to.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's really kind of,
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: it's just manifested and changed and transitioned into something else
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: that I'm really excited about.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it's writing books and But I do still act, but it's in that capacity.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_03: You're a writer who acts sometimes now.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so now, do you believe
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: That we can have second, third, fourth
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: acts.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, ma'am.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: I love that too.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: This idea that we are just getting started.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: I am open to the idea that this is only like my third major pivot and I might have four more.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_03: Because I intend to take really good care of my body and my mind and
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_03: to keep trying new things and Challenging myself and making a big mess in a bunch
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_03: of other different areas.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: And you know,
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: this was like,
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: for me, the fact that I was so stuck and so stuck creatively and sad about it.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: And now that I'm kind of on the other side of that,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: looking back, I have to remember things change.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: You don't stay in that sad lane all the time.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: It will get better and it will surprise you.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_01: And allowing that surprise and inviting that in and not being scared or be scared,
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: but let it come in and embrace it is fabulous.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_03: It really is.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_03: It really is.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: And it's a tolerance we build up just like any other.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: And I think we build it up best through hearing that other people do it and survive it.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: And so I really appreciate your story.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, thank you.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I am so...
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: Energized by your book and so excited about it.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I can't wait to see the next one and then see what you do again after that.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: So who do you want to nominate for The Uplifters, Jen?
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for saying all that.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: This woman is...
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: A beautiful woman inside and out.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: And she is pure inspiration to many.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Bianca Cepetto Think.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: And she is a creator,
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: an uplifter,
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: and a lover of the earth,
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: of experiencing whatever there is to experience using the body.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: She embraces life in the most beautiful way.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: And she shares that.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't keep it just for herself.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that's something that I've always admired about her.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: And she literally comes from the circus.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the talent is not just in her physical body.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's in how she gives it to others and has others experience it and lifts them up
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: while doing it.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: She's just a beautiful, beautiful woman.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that she just needs to be...
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: I think as women,
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_03: so many of us are so eager and inspired to lift up the people around us
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: that inspire us and to shout them out and sing their praises from the rooftop.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: And yet we are just as bad at Yes.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: And so I challenge every guest on the show to both lift up somebody
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_03: who inspires them, but also ask for some support from the community.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: So as Uplifters, how can we support you and your work right now?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think for me, go read the book.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: Go listen to the book.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Check it out.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Have fun with it.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Leave an Amazon review.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: And leave a review.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: And that would be amazing.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Something simple like that would be amazing.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty great.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for being here.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: For those of you listening, head over to Substack.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: You'll find so many more of these incredible stories that teach us all how
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: to overcome the inevitable crazy brains and to do the big brave things anyway,
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: despite whatever fears and worries that might be getting in our way.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I'll see you over on Substack.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: Jen will be there too.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: I will.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: And let's continue the conversation in the comments.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for listening to The Uplifters Podcast.
• 40:22
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• 40:25
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• 40:31
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• 40:34
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• 40:36
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• 40:37
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• 40:42
  SPEAKER_03: It'll really help us connect with more uplifters and it'll ensure you never miss one
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: of these beautiful stories.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Big love.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Painted water sunshine with rosemary and tongue.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Dwell and not perplexing, though you find it vexing.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: Toss a star and hover, be your own best lover.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Relish in a new prime, plant a tree in springtime.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Dance with idle hindsight, bring the sun to twilight.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Lift you up, whoa, lift you up, whoa, Lift you up.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: Lift you up.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: Lift you up.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Lift you up.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: Do do do.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Do do do do.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: I cried.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that little thing you did with your voice?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Right, in the pre-chorus.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like...
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: Mommy, stop crying.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: You're disturbing the peace.