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162: Sci Fi Soulmates · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: I was actually surprised by War Horse. I expected not
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  Speaker 1: to like it for what it told me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God. We'll get to this. Lucy, are you okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry. Were you upset that I actually liked it?
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  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the show. You hated it?
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  Speaker 4: You didn't hear and say that yet.
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  Speaker 2: I like it because of what happens. Okay. We've never
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  Speaker 2: said a word.
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  Speaker 5: You don't know that he's seen it.
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  Speaker 1: It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 10: Way down among Brazilians, coffee beans grow by the billions,
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  Speaker 10: They got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil.
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Lucy. I'm Fred. I'm Alan.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Merlina.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 2: And we've got the full house once again. So it
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  Speaker 2: is time for another exciting episode of the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 1: Cappuccino my butt. I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 11: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 12: It's time for the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 2: We are coming to you live from Nancy's Babel Grounds
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  Speaker 2: via digital recording, where we get together, drink coffee, and
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  Speaker 2: talk movies and yammer on for hours on end. So, Fred,
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  Speaker 2: I ask you, what blend of coffee are we drinking
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  Speaker 2: this week? Oh, wait, let me see.
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  Speaker 8: He's counting some now.
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  Speaker 12: Ah, that, I'm going to say that's Oregon breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me, oh, no, it's Pepsi. You lost the
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  Speaker 2: Pepsi challenge.
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  Speaker 13: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, you're right this time. It is Oregon breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone enjoys them now.
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  Speaker 14: They can see us.
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  Speaker 2: They can. What we need to do is we need
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  Speaker 2: to start doing some folio.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just thinking.
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  Speaker 15: This is theater of the mind.
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  Speaker 2: So before we get... I told you to start taking pictures.
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  Speaker 2: I've got the camera.
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  Speaker 11: We need to call the guy from Prairie Home Companion
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  Speaker 11: and make him narrate.
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  Speaker 2: Nah, we'll just bring Michael Winslow in here.
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  Speaker 1: He'll cover it.
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  Speaker 2: He'll cover all of that. So before we get too
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  Speaker 2: sidetracked on many, many things, I did want to send
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  Speaker 2: out a thank you. The reason we have this many
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  Speaker 2: people sitting at the table right now is because we
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  Speaker 2: were able to buy a new mixer. and a new
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  Speaker 2: microphone to round out what we were missing to put
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  Speaker 2: this scenario together.
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  Speaker 16: So I've, again, we're in the hole for them, but
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  Speaker 16: we're trying to pay them off now. So we did
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  Speaker 16: throw out a nice little fundraising effort, and it's going well.
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  Speaker 2: I was surprised. We got a few people contributing, and
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  Speaker 2: I did want to send a thank you out to
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  Speaker 2: those who have donated so far. We're not done. We're
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  Speaker 2: only at about 40% of the goal now, so... Keep
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  Speaker 2: the donations coming in. Otherwise, they'll repo this thing, and
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  Speaker 2: Amelia will show up at our house and take it back,
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  Speaker 2: and we're fucked. Can we start a repo?
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  Speaker 1: You might get to see Harry Dean Stan.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's a pretty reasonable goal. I was just
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  Speaker 2: setting kind of a normal, you know, if you can
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  Speaker 2: throw $ 25 in there, we'll mention you by name on
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  Speaker 2: the show or your preferred pseudonym. however you like to
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  Speaker 2: do it. So we did want to throw it out there.
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  Speaker 2: A big thanks to, we'll throw both of them in
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  Speaker 2: there for him, Ken from Los Angeles, or Buda Bukowski
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  Speaker 2: on the Twitters. So yeah, Ken has donated. And another
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  Speaker 2: big one to Jeff Beyer, who this one amazed me
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  Speaker 2: because I saw it come through and I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of remembered his name. And then I went,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, didn't I just talk to him? He's
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  Speaker 2: been listening for about a month. and already sent in
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  Speaker 2: a very generous donation. So that's amazing to me because
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people that have been
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  Speaker 2: coasting for a couple years now.
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  Speaker 17: But anyway, you think about that yourself. You guys just
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  Speaker 17: sit there by yourself and you think about it. But Jeff,
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  Speaker 17: on the other hand, was awesome and came through, so
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  Speaker 17: thank you.
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  Speaker 11: Way to step up, Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you to Jeff, thank you to Ken, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's been really cool seeing that people actually came through
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  Speaker 2: and sent some our way, and we need it because
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  Speaker 2: every episode we go a little further in the hole.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff's going to call in and request that you play
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  Speaker 1: Misty for him, and I'm just going to sit down.
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  Speaker 2: That has a different meaning on this show. Does that
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  Speaker 2: mean I just have to do her voice and tell
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  Speaker 2: people I want to punch them in the face? I
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  Speaker 2: can do a pretty good impersonator at this point.
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  Speaker 12: The role of Misty will be played by Brian.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you how much I hate. Let me
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  Speaker 2: get the list out. Hold on. I can see what
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  Speaker 2: I can do, but I don't think I will do
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  Speaker 2: it justice. I think the Misty fans are a little...
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  Speaker 2: Too dedicated to it.
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  Speaker 11: I don't think you can talk as fast as Misty
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  Speaker 11: is able to talk.
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  Speaker 12: I can't listen as fast as Misty. I have to
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  Speaker 12: slow down the tape.
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  Speaker 2: Misty is a very special girl. We're glad to have
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  Speaker 2: her on board. She won't leave the house, so she
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  Speaker 2: never comes to these. But, you know, what are you
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  Speaker 2: going to do? She's one of those homophobic people. She
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  Speaker 2: won't leave the house. I think she's homophobic. That's a
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  Speaker 2: callback to last episode.
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  Speaker 5: She's not talking about homophobic.
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  Speaker 1: Homophobic. No, no.
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  Speaker 2: She's... She does like her house. Her house is awesome,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. I don't blame her.
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  Speaker 5: If I leave that house, I might not leave.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: There's something going on there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't blame her.
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  Speaker 14: Toys, movies.
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  Speaker 2: It's a pretty sweet setup they got going. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: thank you once again to Ken and Jeff. Every donation
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  Speaker 2: kind of makes a difference and keeps us going here.
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  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to thank you for your support.
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  Speaker 2: And anybody else out there who wants to follow in
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  Speaker 2: their footsteps, I'm not going to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk you out of it.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe we'll say your name and your dream in life
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  Speaker 2: will be accomplished. I'm sure you'll be really, really excited. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: on to the geek activities. Bo, you had something for
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  Speaker 2: this episode?
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  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of episodes this past week. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of episodes. A couple of films I saw
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  Speaker 1: this past week that I enjoyed. One of which was
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  Speaker 1: The Artist, which I think is probably the front-runner for
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  Speaker 1: Best Picture, at least the way things are looking.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't going to go see it because I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: find it in Dolby Surround.
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  Speaker 1: I've been tempted to ask people when they come to
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  Speaker 1: buy tickets for me, like, do you want to see
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  Speaker 1: the 3D version or.
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  Speaker 2: The regular version? It's in 4D audio.
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  Speaker 1: Just an utterly endearing movie, man. I had a smile
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  Speaker 1: across my face the whole time. It goes beyond being
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  Speaker 1: just a novelty. It's just a generally good film. And
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  Speaker 1: something I was surprised by... that I actually liked and
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  Speaker 1: didn't expect to like was War Horse.
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  Speaker 3: Is this where I insert my feigned shock?
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  Speaker 2: Our choreographed moment. Prepare for the gasp.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead, give me what you got.
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  Speaker 2: She's doing a Laura Dern cry face.
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  Speaker 18: Hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where she's going to attack me from,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm just going to at least try to.
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  Speaker 3: The trenches, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know. Watch out for the barbed wire.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just everybody who would see it
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  Speaker 1: and they would come out and tell me about it
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  Speaker 1: and say, eh, it's just sappy and filled with treacle.
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  Speaker 1: And so I went in expecting something just very mediocre effort,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't expect to like it. And those are
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  Speaker 1: usually the movies where I'm genuinely surprised and do like them.
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  Speaker 1: This is one that I enjoyed simply for the fact
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  Speaker 1: that I feel like all that treacle was not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: him being sappy for the sake of being sappy, but
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  Speaker 1: he was trying to do an homage to the films
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  Speaker 1: of the late 30s or early 40s. And when you
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  Speaker 1: look at all of the way that the, um, scenes
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  Speaker 1: are set within the film, it just seems purposeful the
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  Speaker 1: way the camera work is done. And I also like
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  Speaker 1: the fact that every single time the horse switches owners,
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  Speaker 1: the camera style switches. And so does the art direction.
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  Speaker 1: So like when you go from on the farm, this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very sunny green pasture and all these still
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  Speaker 1: static shots, you go to close up handheld gray overtones,
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: like when he's with the Germans or when he's, um,
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: With The Young French Girl, everything has these very vivid
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: yellow tones. It's like the art direction changes, and it's just...
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  Speaker 1: It was a very unique anthology. And if I'm not
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  Speaker 1: too much of a spoiler, I actually like seeing a
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  Speaker 1: World War I film where it didn't have a bleak ending,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to like... Path of Glory or Joyeux Noel
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  Speaker 1: or anything else like that.
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  Speaker 13: I did like the Joyeux Noel reference, since that movie
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  Speaker 13: was lifted and inserted in this movie.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to shame you for liking it. I
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  Speaker 3: really wanted to like it.
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  Speaker 13: And it was actually every year my family goes to
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  Speaker 13: see a movie for Christmas. Sadly, a couple of Christmases ago,
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  Speaker 13: I suggested Up in the Air. So I'm not allowed
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  Speaker 13: to pick the Christmas movie. So this year, when my
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  Speaker 13: brother said War Horse, I lost my privilege.
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  Speaker 3: When my brother said War Horse.
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  Speaker 13: That's obviously our family Christmas movie. A little bit of
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  Speaker 13: biographical background information. My dad has a horse farm. My
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  Speaker 13: dad is in love with horses. Just to see his
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  Speaker 13: eyes light up when he sees a horse, he's rapturously
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  Speaker 13: in love with horses.
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  Speaker 2: And he plays war with them.
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  Speaker 13: He also is rapturously in love with movies. My dad
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  Speaker 13: is one of these very pure spirits that's so adorable.
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  Speaker 13: Every movie I've ever taken him to, it doesn't matter
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  Speaker 13: how crappy it is. As long as there are images
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  Speaker 13: flickering on a screen, he is just in heaven.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you certainly didn't get that.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen one movie. We've seen one movie together. I
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  Speaker 3: can't even remember what it was. Oh, it was She's
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  Speaker 3: Just Not That Into You. And at the end of it,
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  Speaker 3: he turned to me and was genuinely distressed and looked
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  Speaker 3: at me and said, Lucy. that wasn't a very good movie.
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  Speaker 2: Was it?
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  Speaker 11: No, Dad, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: And that was.
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  Speaker 13: This breakthrough moment when my dad finally realized that cinema
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  Speaker 13: could be crap.
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  Speaker 2: That was when your dad was traumatized. Lucy, why is
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  Speaker 2: she just not that into you? I don't understand.
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  Speaker 13: So this movie, my dad, again, let's go back, movies
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  Speaker 13: and horses.
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  Speaker 3: Walks out of this movie and he's like, was that
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  Speaker 3: supposed to be a kids movie? Because that was dumb.
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  Speaker 19: And I was.
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  Speaker 3: Like, well, Dad, I kind of feel that way too.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 13: And I totally get what you're saying in terms of
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  Speaker 13: it being an homage. And I did appreciate that. And
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  Speaker 13: some of it was really beautifully done. It was just
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  Speaker 13: to me so silly that when it got to the big,
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  Speaker 13: and again, no spoilers, but when it got to the
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  Speaker 13: big moment, Instead of crying, which, by the way, everybody
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  Speaker 13: around me was doing, my dad and I both simultaneously laughed.
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  Speaker 3: And, like, he's not jaded or cynical at all. And
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  Speaker 3: somehow this movie made my dad jaded and cynical. He
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  Speaker 3: was the laughing guy.
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  Speaker 2: You heartless bastards.
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  Speaker 3: So, anyway, I just don't have anything to say.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was something about just the dialogue and just
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  Speaker 1: there were a lot of scenes where it looked like
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  Speaker 1: there were purposeful backdrops or matte paintings that were used.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it just... It had that characteristic feel of something,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, from the early 40s. I could see
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  Speaker 1: where it would throw people off because the way it
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  Speaker 1: was marketed in theaters, you'd go in and you'd almost
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  Speaker 1: expect Saving Private Ryan.
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  Speaker 14: But with a friggin' horse.
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  Speaker 1: And it wasn't that type of film at all. I
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  Speaker 1: like that he at least took an idea that was
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  Speaker 1: used a lot in those films, and especially post-World War
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  Speaker 1: II to where you would have a movie about some kid,
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  Speaker 1: he's growing up on a farm, he goes off to war,
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  Speaker 1: and then he comes back and he's like a man,
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  Speaker 1: and they took that sort of tired genre and still
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  Speaker 1: did an homage to it, but did it by changing
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  Speaker 1: it and making the horse that individual. I just thought
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  Speaker 1: that was... Yeah, I mean, I kind of like how.
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  Speaker 13: The horse learned different things from different people and how
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  Speaker 13: that helped him in the next scenario, and there was
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  Speaker 13: like a good through line, and I don't know. There's
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  Speaker 13: an earlier scene where they're doing the tilling or whatever,
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  Speaker 13: I don't even have the.
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  Speaker 3: agrarian vocabulary to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that is right.
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  Speaker 3: But my mom turned to my dad and she was like,
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  Speaker 3: why are they doing it up and down the hill
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  Speaker 3: instead of side to side? And I was like, yeah, wait,
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  Speaker 3: this scene doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 13: And I felt like that's what was going, like, there's
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  Speaker 13: this big dramatic scene where the thoroughbred horse has to
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  Speaker 13: pull the thing up the hill to do it.
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  Speaker 3: And she was like, yeah, that's not how you plant crops.
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  Speaker 3: And it just felt like that was the movie.
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  Speaker 13: There were always these sort of setups that were silly
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  Speaker 13: and not based in reality that created tension but were
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  Speaker 13: just so contrived.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: It would be like going back, and we were talking
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: about Old Yeller last episode, or in Thomasina. It also
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of some of those Disney films, too, to
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  Speaker 1: where if you go back and you watch those Disney movies,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, if you watch them now as an adult,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, that really wouldn't work. I think it kind
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: of reminds me of this movie, and what we're talking
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: about reminds me of what Roger Ebert said about the
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Journey to the Center of the Earth remake, in that
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: he came out and he utterly detested it, but then
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: he heard these kids coming out and they were like, oh,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: that was really cool. And the parents were like, well,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: that's based on a book. And he's like, you know,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: that's the ultimate thing. Sometimes we get so past that
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: point where we're jaded and we've seen all these other films,
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  Speaker 1: you forget that. if something's kind of intended for a kid,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: and of course, you're saying your dad's like, was that
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  Speaker 1: meant for kids?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was so violent. It wasn't for kids.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a PG-13 movie.
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  Speaker 2: It was supposed to traumatize.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, though, I mean, you know, Old Yeller,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's sort of traumatizing, too. It's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: made for kids. I mean, you have this, you have
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: the bull that's got rabies in it, and then Old
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeller's killed at the end, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: it's still got that sort of hokey corniness to the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of it, too, and it's, there's a lot of,
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  Speaker 1: that's impractical. I don't know, it's just, I think it
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  Speaker 1: probably helps that I went in expecting not to like it.
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: And probably I set my levels lower and so when
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: it didn't disappoint me, I was pleased with it.
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  Speaker 13: I am discovering the expectation. Like we were talking last
• 15:39
  Speaker 13: week about Planet of the Apes. That was Yeah, you
• 15:44
  Speaker 13: went into it with everybody saying, you have to watch
• 15:45
  Speaker 13: this movie because it's great. I went into the movie thinking,
• 15:47
  Speaker 13: it's Friday afternoon, I have a couple hours to kill.
• 15:49
  Speaker 13: Let's see what James Franco's got for me. And I
• 15:53
  Speaker 13: was like, oh my gosh, this is so much fun.
• 15:55
  Speaker 13: And it helped that there was a dude behind me
• 15:56
  Speaker 13: that was like, what?
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  Speaker 3: The whole time. I was like, yeah, I like your enthusiasm.
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  Speaker 2: Audience experience. Well, I think War Horse should have kept
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  Speaker 2: the giant puppet.
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  Speaker 14: That's what I think.
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  Speaker 2: The stage play there were like four people working a
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  Speaker 2: puppet I wouldn't see Spielberg work with that make that.
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  Speaker 15: Dramatic in these scenes because supposedly everybody loves the play
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  Speaker 15: and I'm just trying to imagine serious scenes with this
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  Speaker 15: giant because I'm just going to be watching the puppeteers
• 16:26
  Speaker 15: try to work this giant horse puppet so yeah I
• 16:29
  Speaker 15: kind of want to see that thrown in the middle
• 16:31
  Speaker 15: of this movie.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Good luck making that work yeah Oh, any others, or
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: is that to round out your geek week?
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: Can I make a.
• 16:41
  Speaker 8: Comment about the artist?
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't seen it yet.
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: I'm very much looking forward to it because I love
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: silent movies, and I'm happy that there's one that's so mainstream.
• 16:50
  Speaker 8: But I think it's important for people to know that
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: Guy Maddin has been doing this for the last 20 years.
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: There is somebody making silent movies nowadays, and Brand Upon
• 16:57
  Speaker 8: the Brain is just something that has to be seen
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: to be believed. So go see that one. See, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: I tried to get into Brand.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: On the brain. It's just, I mean, I saw it
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: through its finish, and I think the thing that drove
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: me up the wall, I wish I could have turned
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: off any and all narration on that. It didn't matter.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, I tried Chris McGlover. I mean, I can't remember.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: There were like several different people you could switch to
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: that were reading that narration that was going with it,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: and I was like, please just stop. Just let me
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: have music, and I would enjoy this more. That, to me,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: drove me up the wall on that film.
• 17:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, I understand.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: It didn't bother me.
• 17:34
  Speaker 8: The music was really incredible. It would have been nice to.
• 17:36
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I just wanted just an audio-only track with that. And
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I wish it had that option, because I didn't think
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: that the narration for Brand Upon Brain, it added to
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the film at all. I felt like it detracted from me,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: because it kept taking me out of what I was seeing.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: But visually, it's pretty astounding.
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: He's got a few.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen them all, but yeah.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I feel badly. I didn't mean to trash it.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Pure evil no but see that's the thing I think
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: because even when I got out of the movie I
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: was like one of the only people who was defending
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: it because all the other people in the theater seemed
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: to be like no it's a problem I was like.
• 18:18
  Speaker 20: No see I really feel like that he was trying
• 18:22
  Speaker 20: to create trying to create a film that went back
• 18:26
  Speaker 20: to that genre and I think.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't think it works with today's audiences.
• 18:33
  Speaker 13: But see, I love, I mean, I, you know, I'm
• 18:36
  Speaker 13: a junkie for the old stuff. Like, I'm a junkie
• 18:39
  Speaker 13: for Hokie. I'm a junkie for Preston Sergis and Frank
• 18:41
  Speaker 13: Capra and all that stuff. Like, I'm over the moon for. So,
• 18:44
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: But, I mean, I guess the same could be said
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: of Darabont's The Majestic.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I hate that movie, too. And that was one where
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I saw he was doing it for some reason.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: It just didn't work for me. Oh, you just don't
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: like anything Darabont does?
• 18:59
  Speaker 8: No.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I could be missing something.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: A soul.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I think he's on to it.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I do hate cartoons, too.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: That's him.
• 19:09
  Speaker 8: I actually like the black and white.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Version of The Mist, but I'm not a huge fan.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I really like The Mist.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of those few movies where black
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and white adds a tremendous amount to it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I really like The Mist.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Actually, I like the end of The Mist.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Seriously. I didn't like this movie where the horse could
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: have been killed but doesn't, but I liked getting in
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the mess where this guy kills his own son.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 19:38
  Speaker 12: Okay, I didn't hear if you said you liked the
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: end of the mess or if you just changed the
• 19:43
  Speaker 12: subject entirely and said you liked into the mist.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I'm like well that's kind of random.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I like gorillas in the mist I.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Have such a mist connection but.
• 19:53
  Speaker 21: Right oh play misty.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: For me yeah like play misty for me wow alright
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: does that round out the geeky sure All right, we
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: will take a break. We will be back with this
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: week's movie.
• 20:14
  Speaker 22: Look at me I'm as helpless.
• 20:21
  Speaker 23: As a kidney of a tree And I feel like
• 20:27
  Speaker 23: I'm clinging to a cloud I can't understand I get
• 20:34
  Speaker 23: misty just.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Holding your hand.
• 20:44
  Speaker 22: Walk my way And a thousand violins begin to play.
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: Like you crave that corn when it's freshly bopped. You
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: gotta beat it to the box with the butter on
• 21:05
  Speaker 7: the top.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Get with it, man. Start strolling down.
• 21:08
  Speaker 14: To the sweets that you're rolling.
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: The best in town.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Our candy's real gone.
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: If I'm understood, to all you squares, that means the
• 21:15
  Speaker 9: confection is positively delicious.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Quark that stuff. Give me five. Let me send you
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: into this nutty jive. Go, man, go.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: It ain't very far.
• 21:31
  Speaker 16: Shake it on down to this cool snack bar.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Come on, Jill. Give us a treat.
• 21:39
  Speaker 17: A friendly pepper-upper with a tasty beat.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Drink Dr.
• 21:44
  Speaker 23: Pepper, Dr.
• 21:45
  Speaker 24: Dr.
• 21:46
  Speaker 23: Pepper.
• 21:47
  Speaker 25: Cause it never.
• 21:48
  Speaker 26: Lets you down.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Frosty, man.
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: Frosty.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: Edgar Rice Burroughs' master of grand-scale adventure takes you beyond
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: the limits of human experience in.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: The People That Time Forgot.
• 22:02
  Speaker 7: See monstrous prehistoric battles, terrifying paradoxes, see the diabolical city
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: of human skulls, witness a thousand nightmares, all new, never
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: before shown.
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: The People That Time Forgot, from American International, rated PG.
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, Carol, now you take these notes, and then we're
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: about ready to begin.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, sure.
• 22:25
  Speaker 19: Well, what are you two doing here? We don't record
• 22:27
  Speaker 19: until tomorrow.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: We're making a new promo for All Games Considered, since
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: you were dragging your feet getting one written.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Hey, she's right, though.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: It's been too long, and a lot has happened since
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: the last promo. Yeah, like winning the gold NE for
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Best Gaming Podcast for 2009.
• 22:40
  Speaker 19: You mean the one you try to work into the
• 22:42
  Speaker 19: conversation every other episode?
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: Hey, now, now, there's more than that. There's the new format.
• 22:46
  Speaker 19: You mean the main show every two weeks and the
• 22:48
  Speaker 19: assortment of other features in the meantime?
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: Right, like games you may never have heard of, the
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: review in new shows. Don't forget the RPG buffet.
• 22:55
  Speaker 19: And on the main show, we have more time to
• 22:57
  Speaker 19: focus on gaming topics.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: Like board and card games.
• 23:00
  Speaker 19: And RPGs. And the people who play them from the
• 23:02
  Speaker 19: old school to the newest of the new.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: But no changeling.
• 23:06
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• 23:08
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• 23:13
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• 23:17
  Speaker 7: The next show will start in three minutes.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I love the movies.
• 23:22
  Speaker 19: Welcome to the biggest movie event of the year. We're
• 23:25
  Speaker 19: going to have a great night, ladies and gentlemen.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: And the Oscar goes to.
• 23:29
  Speaker 25: And the Oscar goes to.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: Thank you so much.
• 23:33
  Speaker 23: Ladies and gentlemen.
• 23:37
  Speaker 14: Prepare yourselves.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, but half the time there's only
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: three of us that show up for this.
• 23:44
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Brian's going to be sitting here buying this stuff. It's
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: just me. With pork products. So, anyway, I'm going to
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: have Hot Dog watch this show. Hey, look at that.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: She's got a fancy dress on. That would be fantastic.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Coming to you soon.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: Brian by himself eating Hot Dog.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Give it. The 2012 Oscar party. From his basement.
• 24:10
  Speaker 14: With all the blitz, glamour, pork products, and vicious commentary
• 24:14
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• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Hey guys, I like bologna.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: So I took some bologna and I wrapped it around
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: a hot dog.
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: Rupert Popkin. Mom! I'm having a show down here!
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Keep it down. I'm trying to tell all the people
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: about this fancy dress she's wearing.
• 24:37
  Speaker 14: Coming soon to this feed.
• 24:40
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• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Is michael winslow from police academy one through infinity.
• 25:36
  Speaker 14: And space posit now.
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• 25:51
  Speaker 2: It's part of your problem, you know. You haven't seen
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: enough movies.
• 25:53
  Speaker 23: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 25:56
  Speaker 14: And now, on with the show. It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Are you tired of sitting around waiting for love?
• 26:09
  Speaker 27: Introducing Timer, a revolutionary device that tells you not only
• 26:13
  Speaker 27: who your soulmate is, but when you'll meet them.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Timer, take the guesswork out of love.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: So how long have the two of you been dating?
• 26:22
  Speaker 26: About a month. After implantation, if the two of you
• 26:28
  Speaker 26: are meant to be, then both of your timers.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: At the very same time go.
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: Huh.
• 26:41
  Speaker 21: So where's Brian?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: He's not my one.
• 26:44
  Speaker 23: It's fine.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: It's not even about Brian. I just want to know.
• 26:47
  Speaker 26: Even if it says I'm not going to meet him
• 26:48
  Speaker 26: until I'm, what, 43?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: I see your timer's blank.
• 26:51
  Speaker 22: Nothing.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: You're sweating your future, though, right? It's a shame, because
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: you'd have a much more exciting present.
• 26:58
  Speaker 11: If you really wanted to.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: Do you think the timer works, or is it just
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a self-fulfilling prophecy?
• 27:16
  Speaker 24: Remember when you said you loved me And all the
• 27:21
  Speaker 24: time you're thinking of me Hey, I feel great.
• 27:28
  Speaker 23: In my heart every day This is my countdown to
• 27:33
  Speaker 23: love Oh, this is my countdown to love.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Really Well Done Sofa Theater. This week's
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Sofa Theater feature is Timer. The year is 2009. The director,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Jack Schaefer. The plot, if you can go by IMDB,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: which actually just sort of seems to use the tagline here.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: If a clock could count down to the moment you
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: meet your soulmate, would you want to know? That's what
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: they call the plot. But all right, whatever. It gets
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: you into this. That was lazy, wasn't it? Yeah, that
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: was really lazy. Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen it, yeah,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll ruin the hell out of this. So
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: go watch it right now. Come back. Are you back yet?
• 28:45
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: All right, so where would you like to begin?
• 28:50
  Speaker 11: Can I start? I mean, the movie was at... totally
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: horrible to watch i'm with you but the plot oh
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: my god that plot makes me want to smash things
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: like there's it's not like you're biologically wired to like
• 29:09
  Speaker 11: mate and marry and fall in love with someone and
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: like be together forever and ever and ever there's so
• 29:13
  Speaker 11: many different factors it's like if this movie was the
• 29:16
  Speaker 11: movie seems to be based in reality somewhat you know
• 29:19
  Speaker 11: if it was like if there were like different and
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: different things that added to this ridiculous plot line, then
• 29:26
  Speaker 11: maybe it would have made sense.
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: I think it's meta in a way that completely depletes
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: the energy and interest of the movie because... the central
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: science fiction metaphor... is not a metaphor for something in life.
• 29:46
  Speaker 12: It's a metaphor for something that exists in romantic comedies.
• 29:51
  Speaker 12: In a romantic comedy, you know that people in life,
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: you don't know that you have a soulmate out there.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: In a romantic comedy, you do.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: And it's going to get resolved in an hour and
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: 20 minutes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: You know that feeling like you're watching the movie and
• 30:04
  Speaker 12: it's like, well, I've got 15 minutes.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: To wrap this up.
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: And that's what they've plopped into the middle of this
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: that makes.
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: Sense i didn't interpret it that way because the movie
• 30:14
  Speaker 11: didn't really seem that like deep to me.
• 30:16
  Speaker 28: No i don't think it's it's meant to be meta
• 30:19
  Speaker 28: in in a way i think it's just referencing something
• 30:23
  Speaker 28: that's such a just unconsciously referencing the basic requirements of
• 30:31
  Speaker 28: romantic comedies which I'm not a great fan of.
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: My favorite is Broadcast News because she doesn't have to
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: pick between two guys because it's an amazing movie.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing.
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: I guess what I'm saying is when the kid finds
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: out who his soulmate is, it's uncomfortable.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: It's like you think you might not want to know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of sad in a way.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And so is the movie.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: It takes the fun out of it. And so you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Mentioned that, and I feel like they could have gone
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: one of two directions. They could have gone more on
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the satirical end, or they could have tried to just
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: really invest interest in the romance, but really it just
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: stayed right in the middle of the road. It's kind
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: of lackluster.
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it was just lackluster. There were good performances. The
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: acting was okay. I do think Emma Caulfield, who I like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: and she does a lot of interesting things, But in
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: this role.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: She doesn't seem needy.
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: She just seems like she wants her soulmate because that's
• 31:38
  Speaker 12: what you do.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Or it's like because that's what the script tells her.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, according to this, I should be seeking
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: a soulmate. So, okay, that's what I'm doing.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Isn't that what life tells you to do?
• 31:47
  Speaker 12: By herself, you never see that moment where you go, oh.
• 31:51
  Speaker 12: You never see her at home alone like she needs
• 31:55
  Speaker 12: somebody to talk to.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: She doesn't.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: There's the shot of her watching the documentary sitting there
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: by herself. There's that moment where it kind of feels
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: like she doesn't want to be there. And it does
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: feel like she needs somebody. But it is one of those,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I think it feels like, like I was saying, she
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: feels like she's expected to need someone. Because isn't that
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: what we're told? From day one, aren't you sent off
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: on this path without the magical timer? Aren't you supposed
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: to be figuring out who you're soulmate is supposedly i
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: think i.
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: Think it's just like i couldn't get over the ridiculous
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: like plot hole i mean like it made it really
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: hard for me to enjoy the movie i think it
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: really like hindered my ability to watch the movie because
• 32:44
  Speaker 11: the whole time i'm thinking like this is such bullshit.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Well that's the science fiction element that's the leap you
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: Take i mean it's just like this everything was exactly
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: like the world is now but they've magically figured out
• 32:58
  Speaker 11: this thing it's like nothing has advanced or progressed like
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: figuring out minds or like everything is exactly as it
• 33:05
  Speaker 11: is now but there's this like magical chimera that finds
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: your soulmate like if it was a little bit more
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: set in the future or if there was some reason
• 33:12
  Speaker 11: that like I don't know.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, that's almost metal like he
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: was talking, too, because we could have all this grit
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: like the internet at one point in time was going
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: to be this huge, tremendous resource tool, and it's just
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: basically nothing's advanced. We just kind of part around and squawk.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing he said with that. It's like, yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: it's this great creation, but.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I kind of like that. I mean, it feels like
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: that's what we do. It's like we've got all this technology,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: but are we worried about curing cancer? No, we're trying
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to make a better cell phone reception. It's like that's
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: how we operate.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 33:46
  Speaker 13: That's actually one of the things that I actually really
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: liked about it, how there was no, like, pseudo-scientific, like, anything.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: There wasn't, like, they didn't try. It kind of reminded
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: me of, like, The Cell. Was that the movie? I
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: like The Cell.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: I love The Cell.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Because it was just like, you know what? She can
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: get in the head of the serial killers. Deal with it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And then you go. You put on a red suit,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you're there.
• 34:04
  Speaker 13: But if the movie had actually been like, well, this
• 34:06
  Speaker 13: happened and that happened, then you'd be like, okay, seriously?
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: But where they're like, look, this is how it is.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: There's a timer. You stick it on your wrist. They
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: got the exposition out of the way during the opening credits.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: You get a cheesy commercial. Yeah, you're all set.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: Because they explain it by the one guy they interview
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: on the street. No, well, mine's out there. They went
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: through all the scenarios. I thought that was done really well.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: without telling you. They just showed you, this person had
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: this happen, this person had this happen.
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: Yeah, they could have belabored it more, but I think
• 34:34
  Speaker 12: it may just be me. It's not that I don't
• 34:36
  Speaker 12: like sci-fi. It's just things that get concept heavy. I
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: feel like it changes the relationship of the person watching
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: to the person producing it, the director or the writer
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: or whatever.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Just stuff that has a heavy....
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: Built on a concept it's just tiresome it's like having
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: a gay friend who's not out and they're always telling
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: you like they were hanging out with their roommate and
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: you just feel like oh come on you know can
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: we just drop call it what it is yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I actually really enjoyed.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: The heavy-handed debate that's why i liked it i like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that that was my favorite part of.
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: It no yeah i'm not you know i've seen a
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: generally like romantic comedies because a lot of the time
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: they're just kind of stupid and, and, uh, unpredictable. And
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: this one, you have this clear cut debate and you
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: have several different aspects of it. You have like the, the, uh,
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: teenager who's basically being thrown into this arranged marriage, uh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: without his, I'm not convinced that anybody asked him, do
• 35:41
  Speaker 8: you want a timer when you turn 14?
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Just his parents are like, you're going.
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: To get a timer. Um, and then you have like the,
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: you know, the people who don't believe in the timer,
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: then you have her, a father who's with a woman
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: who they're not the one, but they're together anyway, because
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: they're in love. And there's just a lot to it that, um,
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: I enjoyed the exploration that made the ending for me.
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: It was really depressing.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I, the second I saw the guy in the, um, spoiler,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: the second I saw the guy in the nursing home,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I was like, I know the ending. I know where
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: this is going.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: It goes back into that predictability thing, but it didn't,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It was also, it also, you got me thinking a
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: minute ago when you were talking about how, you know,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: we're told from, you know, when you're young that you're
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: going to have to meet somebody and that counting down
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: as I was watching it. Um, and also going back
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to what you were saying, that lack of biological credibility,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I got to think, it's like, why not just make
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: it to where instead of it counting it, like making up,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you know, this thing like midichlorians. So there could actually, you're,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: there could be a way to detect your body. Like
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: when you get to that point to where you can
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: no longer like sexually procreate. And it's like, What if
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: it's just counted down to that point for you, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: then just there it's focused on the desperation to find
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: a mate so you can go appropriate to find a family.
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: Before I watched the movie, that's what I thought it
• 36:56
  Speaker 11: was about. I thought it was about her biological clock.
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: You know, like, you're out of time to have children.
• 37:01
  Speaker 11: Are you losing?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: That one's a little more obvious.
• 37:05
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I felt like the thesis of the film was
• 37:07
  Speaker 13: that the idea of soulmates was silly, so it made
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: sense for the.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Whole concept to be silly.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: But I think it raises some interesting questions along the way,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: more than I expected.
• 37:19
  Speaker 12: Well, the idea of soulmates, I heard people talking about
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: it recently. It goes back to Plato by way of Aristophanes.
• 37:29
  Speaker 12: There's this ancient legend that people used to be spherical,
• 37:34
  Speaker 12: and they had eight limbs, and they were cozily joined together.
• 37:39
  Speaker 12: And they could walk, but they could also roll. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: they could roll so fast that they got a kind
• 37:45
  Speaker 12: of confidence that they decided to roll up Mount Olympus
• 37:49
  Speaker 12: and take over. And Zeus got angry and threw thunderbolts
• 37:53
  Speaker 12: and split them apart.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: This is what I thought. This is how it happened, people.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Come on now.
• 37:59
  Speaker 12: Split them apart into separate halves. And then they had
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: to adjust them. They had to turn the heads around.
• 38:06
  Speaker 12: And they had to put the genitals like this.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: You could reach them if you want.
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: And then they left them with this memory, this memory
• 38:17
  Speaker 12: of having had another half, so they spend their lives
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: searching for it. And I think I heard this on
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: Radio Lab, I think.
• 38:27
  Speaker 8: It was in the symposium.
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: Oh, yeah.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good idea. I was going to say,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: this is a man who's actually used the internet for knowledge,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: instead of finding funny videos on YouTube.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: But there was this cat, and he was one of
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the funny.
• 38:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah, well, they did a show on symmetry, and it
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: had many other interesting features, including when Jimmy Carter flipped
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: his hair part, and what.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: A big deal that was.
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: Somebody had actually written to him and suggested he change
• 38:59
  Speaker 12: his hair part, because Well, this is the coolest thing.
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: It's off-topic, but if you look at the photo we
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: all know of Lincoln, if you reverse that thing, it
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: will freak you out.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Like Lee Harvey Oswald? He's not a good-looking.
• 39:15
  Speaker 12: Guy, but if you reverse it, if it's backwards, you
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: will go, oh, no. No.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: That can't be the same picture. No, there's something in symmetry.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: So to actually see how you.
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: look to other people you have to put two mirrors
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: at a right angle so that you see the reflection
• 39:36
  Speaker 12: of your reflection and it all went into this like
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: these symmetrical mated humans who are split apart and then
• 39:42
  Speaker 12: they feel empty until they find their soul mate.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Like the young crystal yeah yeah.
• 39:48
  Speaker 12: And, you know, full disclosure, I should mention that I've
• 39:51
  Speaker 12: been married like since I was 12 or something.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: You were like the little kid in this movie. Whether
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: you liked it or not, you were attached to it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 12: All of my adult life, I've been like, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 12: my wife and I can form a sphere.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And you roll really, really fast. And we roll.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: I thought, you know, when you think about the things
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: that bring up, it really, I think And what I
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: think they really were showing was almost that the mother,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: especially forcing the son to do this, I thought it
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: was very much child abuse because he did not want it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: It was, I think, especially with the sister, the other daughter,
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: I think it almost felt like they were ruining her
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: life because she was delaying her joy. I'm not going
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: to be able to live my life. I'm not going
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: to be able to search for love or have good
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: and bad things happen to me until this date. I
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: can't start until this date. To me, that takes all
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: of the... If you know the ending of a movie
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: before you watch it, you're not going to watch the movie.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: It does. It does seem like hell almost.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: I've got to wait until I'm 43 or whatever to.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: To get married, or to meet the person that I'm
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: supposed to marry, how much of your life are you losing?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: You're just killing time until the whole rest of your life,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: which does seem like a waste.
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: A thought I had on that subject is, in this world,
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: if this was really a thing, there would need to
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: be somebody following up on these couples. Because they say
• 41:31
  Speaker 8: it works 100% of the time. You need to do
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: a really long-term study to see, are they staying together forever?
• 41:39
  Speaker 8: And if so, is it because they're really happy, or because...
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: They're miserable, but they think it's the one, so if
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: they get worse, then it's only worse.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Well, they even say self-fulfilling prophecy.
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: So you need to study, and if they find that, yes,
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: it does completely work 100% of the time or closer,
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: then maybe it would.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Be worth it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: But we're in that middle period. I think in the
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: story it had been around for 15 years, so they've
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: got this... In the 15-year span, it's like a 90%
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: approval rate or something like that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: It was only six. But I guess you.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: I guess that would change things if you had this really,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: you know, a whole generation worth of study.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Involved in it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: And same thing with all those matchmaker, online matchmakers. If
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: you're told that a computer, that someone who has science
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: has figured out that you're right, you're one of the
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: few people that are right for each other based on
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: your personality test they take, well, then you're going to
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: take it more seriously. You're going to invest more in it.
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: You're going to have a conversation first. You're not going to.
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: you know, mess around, you know, on them or whatever.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: And so they probably still are going to do that.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: I know, but, but I think your chances, if you're,
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: if someone just tells you this is the right one,
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: your chances of success should go up because you're forcing
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: yourself to placebo effect.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: Or, but I mean, it's like that Stanley Milgram experiment
• 42:59
  Speaker 12: where he made people shock people.
• 43:01
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 43:02
  Speaker 12: And, and everybody acts like, uh, That's because people do
• 43:06
  Speaker 12: what they're told, but it didn't show that at all.
• 43:09
  Speaker 12: It showed that they thought they were doing it in
• 43:11
  Speaker 12: the interest of science. But when the scientists told them
• 43:14
  Speaker 12: they had no.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Choice, everybody disobeyed.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: So they didn't do what they were told.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: They thought they were.
• 43:20
  Speaker 12: Doing it because it was the right thing, and that
• 43:22
  Speaker 12: would be the effect. So being married and staying together
• 43:27
  Speaker 12: in a committed relationship is basically like shocking people.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Well, and down the line, it would work. eventually like
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: if everybody just fell into that for a generation or
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: two it is that sort of along they'll say that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: wet monkey syndrome thing is like by the time you
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: take the original people out of the scenario and all
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: you've seen is this over the years you will completely
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: accept it and fight anyone who tries to tell you
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: differently so i think you know you would have that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: effect somewhere down the line that people wouldn't even question.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: It it is sort of allegorical now too when it
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: comes to things like facebook i mean um there's going
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: to be a generation of individuals i mean that are
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: going to grow up in, none of us actually grew
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: up in that era to where we were dependent on it,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: but you think of, say, kids that are, you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: 10 or 12 or 13 now to where their concept
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: of what a friend is is just clicking something online
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: and just having casual conversations.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like, how will that lay itself
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: out down the line as well?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: But it will be equally as real as what we've
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: thought somewhere down the line. Yeah, that's true. They'll be
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: equally as good of friends in their way of thinking as,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you know, when we grew up together and we hung
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: out as kids and we played every day. It's like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Is it going to be that different somewhere down the line?
• 44:37
  Speaker 29: Yeah.
• 44:38
  Speaker 11: Actually, I read this sociological study on, you know, online relationships.
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: And the funny thing is, like, you choose who you
• 44:46
  Speaker 11: are to people, you know? Like, you're choosing yourself.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: Online?
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: You can hide and share certain things.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I've always thought that.
• 44:55
  Speaker 11: You know, it would almost be like in this situation,
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: you know, like, would you create a false self to
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: fulfill this?
• 45:02
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but if you create the self, is it false?
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: In a way, I've always said that on, like, online,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: when they first started the whole little, each version of
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: this Facebook or MySpace or whatever, it's like you never
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: put yourself on there. You put this ideal version of
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: yourself on there. And here's my best photos, and here's
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: the really cool things I do, not the terrible things
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I do when nobody is around. So, I mean, you
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: always create this ideal version.
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: That's why I'm always weary of anyone who's, like, Facebook
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: profile or, like, any type of, like, dating site where
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: they just suck and sound boring and awful. I'm just like,
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: you could have made yourself really awesome and you didn't,
• 45:40
  Speaker 11: so that means you're really.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Really good.
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: Maybe most people suck and are boring and they're choosing
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: to be.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Honest, so that way when you meet them, they'll be honest.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: That was my approach. I'm not going to bother to lie.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: But when it came to this movie, I mean, there
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: were a lot of cool concepts in it. I just
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like there was enough to, you know, span
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: out to an hour and a half it would have
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: worked like maybe a little short 20 to 30 minutes
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: exactly i don't like the.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Interest was not the yeah it was small it just
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: feels slight yeah i.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I thought um i was really going quick because in
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: the in the the score in the first uh five
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: ten minutes of it all the songs had a ticking
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: clock in the song yeah and i thought oh they're
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: gonna go they're gonna they're gonna do a lot with
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: this we're gonna be it's gonna be layered And then
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: it didn't.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Actually, the more I listened to the score, the more
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I felt like whoever wrote the score, the director came
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: up to him and said, okay, I want you to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: watch Little Miss Sunshine. I want you to make something
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: that sounds like this, but not so much that they
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: could sue us. I think a.
• 46:41
  Speaker 12: Lot of film scorers try to do that. They try
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: to be recognizable so that you feel... feel almost like
• 46:48
  Speaker 12: it's something you've heard.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: People do like familiar.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: That's what movies do, generally.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, like Last of the Mohicans and
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: Dances with Wolves. I hear them like, wait, is that
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: one from that?
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: And then all the pseudo Philip Glass scores.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Everybody thinks they're Philip Glass.
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: I mean, most John Williams stuff is Philip Glass.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's so signature at this point, it's like
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you get that response from his sound as much as anything.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: It's like trying to hire Tim Burton. I was thinking
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Danny Elfman. You get that same response from him every time.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: But at first I thought, oh, that's where they're going
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: to be going with this.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I liked the guy in it.
• 47:30
  Speaker 12: And the biggest emotional impact was just like, You broke
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: my fucking heart.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Give me a, you know, that was as big as
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: it got.
• 47:39
  Speaker 12: Right.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: That was as big a moment as it got. He
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: was a pretty realistic character.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: And I don't know. She just seemed really strong. I
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: think the other, the rest, I don't know. I think
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: the character relationships is probably what I like best. I
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: think plot wise it has issues, but, and that's more
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: of the regular stuff. You know, it's like the grand
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: theme of it is interesting, but The characters are interesting.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's just that middle part of making it
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: all work I kind of have issues with, and it
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't do anything all that original in the normal parts
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: of it. But as far as chemistry with them, I
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: think she's got kind of problems with the dating part
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: of her, but what I thought was amazing was her
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: and the sister.
• 48:21
  Speaker 21: Oh, you're up. You're an ass.
• 48:25
  Speaker 18: Now you can tell me where you went last night. Oh,
• 48:34
  Speaker 18: my God.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Tell me what you did or I'm going to pee
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: on your bed.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: I met this guy.
• 48:46
  Speaker 26: Timer?
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 48:48
  Speaker 18: How long?
• 48:49
  Speaker 21: Four months. And some change.
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: Hot.
• 48:53
  Speaker 11: The closer they.
• 48:54
  Speaker 18: Get to D-Day, the more inclined they are to throw
• 48:56
  Speaker 18: you around a little bit.
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: Oh, so hot.
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: It was.
• 49:00
  Speaker 26: So unbelievably hot. He kisses like, um.
• 49:06
  Speaker 25: I don't even know.
• 49:07
  Speaker 26: He has really big hands.
• 49:10
  Speaker 18: I'm so proud.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Seriously.
• 49:12
  Speaker 11: You finally got laid proper.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: See?
• 49:15
  Speaker 26: One night stands. That's what it's all about.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, though I don't really.
• 49:20
  Speaker 26: know if I'd classify it as a one night stand.
• 49:23
  Speaker 11: Uh, well, you're not gonna see him again, right?
• 49:29
  Speaker 16: Una?
• 49:29
  Speaker 24: Mm-hmm?
• 49:30
  Speaker 18: Even if your mismatched timers wasn't a recipe for disaster,
• 49:33
  Speaker 18: he's not gonna want a repeat of last night.
• 49:36
  Speaker 11: They never do.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: But it was fun, right?
• 49:45
  Speaker 26: Yeah, no, it was so fun.
• 49:47
  Speaker 14: Fun.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: You want animal pancakes? When do I not.
• 49:54
  Speaker 11: Want animal pancakes?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: That was the most realistic sister relationship I've ever seen.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: And they weren't even supposed to be blood sisters, but
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: it was one of those. It did feel like they
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: had spent years around each other, and it did feel
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: very real between the two of them.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: I said that to my wife. She watched it with me,
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: and I said that to her. I said, that's what
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: stepsisters are. They're told they're sisters. And what's nice is they...
• 50:22
  Speaker 5: You can tell that they immediately became sisters, and it's
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: a wonderful relationship. Just like you're told this is supposed
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: to be your mate, well, you're told this is supposed
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: to be your sister. I liked that. And I thought
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: the sister was the most interesting character in the movie.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: And that was kind of my favorite part of it.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: As it went on, I was like, even if you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: took the rest of this out, You could take those
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: two characters and put them in something else and give
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: them more to do, and I would like to see that.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Actually, the sister who was constantly pushing her, that actually
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: is something you mentioned that I hadn't even thought about,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: that could have been brought up by the characters themselves.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Using that particular scenario, saying, look, we didn't want to
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: be sisters. We were told we were, and it worked
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: for us. So why wouldn't it work when it comes
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: to this?
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: It struck me that the concept of love kind of
• 51:09
  Speaker 8: seemed to not matter like that yeah una i guess
• 51:13
  Speaker 8: that's her name right yeah she she didn't know what
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: love was because we're in this world now where you're
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: told who to love and so love is no longer
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: this spontaneous thing that just kind of emerges she's she
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: without the timer she may have felt she was in
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: love with mikey but since he wasn't the one she
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: was conflicted about what she felt she'd never felt before
• 51:35
  Speaker 8: and it can't be love because he's not my one
• 51:38
  Speaker 8: and that just seemed.
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: He was capable of loving her because he never got
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: That's what I liked about the Mikey character is like
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: he's so, you know, more or less dumb for the
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: rest of the time. But he's the only one that
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: kind of sees things the real way that they are.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: And in that way, it's like he's kind of more
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: wise than everybody else because he hasn't been duped by
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: this system yet. You know who he is?
• 52:00
  Speaker 12: He's the guy in Invasion of the Body Snatchers standing
• 52:03
  Speaker 12: on the highway that pod people are coming from. He's
• 52:07
  Speaker 12: the last of a dying breed in this movie.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: You mentioned that, and I think that's what made me
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: disassociate with the film quite a bit because all the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: rest of the characters were pod people. Your main protagonist...
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: She is not invested in their relationship, and as such,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: it's hard to invest in her, for me.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: I had trouble investing. I didn't feel her need. I
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: didn't feel her as somebody who.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Felt incomplete and needed.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, she seemed pretty together.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: She was at the point where it's like, I'm not
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: going to accept that I'm incomplete until this timer turns on,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: which it doesn't turn on until like.
• 52:43
  Speaker 12: What she needed was a bracelet that tells you who, like,
• 52:49
  Speaker 12: society will object to you getting together with she needed
• 52:52
  Speaker 12: a Romeo and Juliet bracelet like who's the person that
• 52:57
  Speaker 12: I can get with that will piss the world off
• 53:00
  Speaker 12: and then.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: That I did like that conversation with the two mothers
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: yeah I was just thinking that she's like I would
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: prefer it if they started seeing each other in secret
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: and hated each other for.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: It they forced us to be yeah they forced us
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: to be a family kind of going back to the
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: sister thing like forcing them to be a family so
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: I Again, there's more under the surface here than is
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: on the surface at all, really.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I thought there were a lot of layers to it.
• 53:25
  Speaker 13: I actually really enjoyed it, and I really liked that
• 53:28
  Speaker 13: premise that people weren't investing in relationships because they knew
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: they were going to end, and it's like, well, that's
• 53:34
  Speaker 13: what we do every day. We date all kinds of
• 53:37
  Speaker 13: people where we know it's not going to work out,
• 53:39
  Speaker 13: but we let ourselves fall in love and have experiences,
• 53:43
  Speaker 13: and I really liked it, actually.
• 53:45
  Speaker 8: Did it bother anybody that there were two montages.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I looked at my wife twice. There was a.
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: Happy montage and a sad montage. You know when the
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: music swells to drown out everything. It's coming.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: That's what I was saying in the unoriginal part of it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: There's parts when it falls very much into, and to
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: me it doesn't even feel much like a romantic comedy,
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: but it's like someone who's been watching romantic comedies their
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: entire life is like, here we've got to put it in.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think I laughed hardly.
• 54:16
  Speaker 12: No.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: It's not really a laugh out loud.
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: Funny is just kind of amusing at times.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And again, the back and forth with the sisters was
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: kind of, and occasionally something ridiculous that Mikey would say.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, other than that. I thought there were some great.
• 54:30
  Speaker 13: Lines and very naturally delivered lines. And it felt very
• 54:33
  Speaker 13: real to me.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: The performances I really liked in it.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I thought they had a lot of chemistry, Mikey and Nina.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: She's, again, she's just a weird character. I think he
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: works so well with her. Yeah, those scenes with them,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: kind of, but yeah, it's hard working her into this
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: whole romantic scenario, really.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: One thing that I did enjoy, too, so many dream
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: sequences are not, in other movies, are not like the
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: dreams I have. But for her, that she sees the
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: egg and she's looking in the pot and just waiting
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: and waiting and And then he's there with the mask on,
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: and then it's over with. It's very short. It kicks
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: you out of the dream. That's what dreams are like.
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, it's not right. Because in normal film dreams,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: it's extremely, you know, like Salvador Dali's in your dreams
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: and messing things. And they're not like that all the time.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: But they're just a bit off. Like, I'm the guy,
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: and he's got the mask on, and then it's over with.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, slightly uncomfortable.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was like, that felt real. That felt
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: like somebody did have that dream.
• 55:41
  Speaker 12: My dreams are either the drunk scene in Dumbo, or
• 55:49
  Speaker 12: I live for 40 years and build up a 401K
• 55:52
  Speaker 12: and then I wake up in the sky.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: For those of you who weren't here last week, too
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: bad for you. Well, I think you were saying about...
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: love not really meaning anything i thought what i thought
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: was kind of interesting is you get to that point
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: where they're having their whole big argument midway in and
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: she it's love you know saying i love you isn't
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: a guarantee like it's been made into you know this
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: this thing is so official you know it's so worked
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: into their their brain that that's it and that your
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: actual emotions really don't matter, that he does feel that
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: way about her, and that doesn't matter because she doesn't
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: have this little machine that tells her, you know, 100%
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: ironclad guarantee, you're the one for me, which, yeah.
• 56:38
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but the thing is, he decides that for himself,
• 56:41
  Speaker 12: and the concept.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Of the movie takes all the creative act out of love.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: It's not something for everybody else. Again, he's the only
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: one that makes any sense.
• 56:52
  Speaker 11: You know what I always think is really interesting, and
• 56:54
  Speaker 11: I think about this any time I see a romantic subplot,
• 56:56
  Speaker 11: which is every single movie almost has a romantic subplot,
• 56:59
  Speaker 11: if you think about it.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: It's just storytelling.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Even John Carpenter's a thing.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I love the thing so much. It's not romantic.
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: But it's just so, like, I don't think people really
• 57:12
  Speaker 11: consider the fact that Love, as we know it, is
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: a modern concept. Up until a couple of hundred years ago,
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: it was strictly utilitarian in almost every single case that
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: it existed. So it's funny that people are like, this
• 57:28
  Speaker 11: is this groundbreaking thing that's changing the world as we
• 57:31
  Speaker 11: know it, because it's just like the world has changed recently,
• 57:36
  Speaker 11: and that's what love has come to mean and be
• 57:39
  Speaker 11: for people, but that's not.
• 57:44
  Speaker 12: Yeah, there's still many places where the idea.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: A journalist, I think, was in.
• 57:51
  Speaker 12: She was talking to a woman in Vietnam, and she
• 57:54
  Speaker 12: said she had these Disney princess movie ideas, and she
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: kept asking them things like, how did you know he
• 58:01
  Speaker 12: was the one?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: And they're just laughing. You know, it means nothing to them.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: It's a ridiculous idea.
• 58:09
  Speaker 30: So it's an idea that we've created... And then the
• 58:13
  Speaker 30: movie starts to treat it as if it has this independent, reified...
• 58:18
  Speaker 30: But for me, he was the most interesting character because
• 58:21
  Speaker 30: he was the one.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Who brought Nietzsche into it. You know, it's a matter
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: of deciding.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: You're speaking of the Mikey character.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, Mikey. Yeah.
• 58:34
  Speaker 12: And then the guy she winds up with, I just
• 58:36
  Speaker 12: didn't feel like a connection, and it just seemed sad.
• 58:40
  Speaker 13: And I think that's sort of the other level that
• 58:42
  Speaker 13: the film operates on, is that, I mean, at its core,
• 58:45
  Speaker 13: there's this corporate entity that's telling her who the appropriate
• 58:48
  Speaker 13: partner is, and she falls in love with this person
• 58:50
  Speaker 13: that's younger, and he's not successful, and he realizes that
• 58:53
  Speaker 13: she actually needs those things, and then she even tries
• 58:56
  Speaker 13: to take his record to her.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: record producer.
• 58:58
  Speaker 13: Dad to see like well maybe he's got talent and
• 59:00
  Speaker 13: maybe this can be parlayed into something that will you
• 59:03
  Speaker 13: know be success on paper and so it's about this
• 59:07
  Speaker 13: sci-fi concept but it's also about just this idea that
• 59:11
  Speaker 13: sometimes we let the right person go because they're not
• 59:14
  Speaker 13: appropriate or what we were told is appropriate.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it reminds me of the scene to where...
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: she first goes over to his house, or I think
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the second time, but it's basically when she's in the bedroom,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: roommates come home, and then he's out, and he's yelling
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: at them. He's like, I've got this girl way above
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: my league, which I like that scene.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: I liked her reaction.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: When she heard him.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: But also, at that point, you're thinking objectively, whether it's
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: you as the audience member watching this, or whether you,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: if you just happen to know these two people in
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: real life, looking at that relationship, you think, that's never
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: going to work out. It's just sort of a thing.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: And then that goes back to the whole idea of
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: that timer. It's like, yeah, it's telling you it's not
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: going to work out. But, you know, still, I mean,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: it had a lot of clever stuff in it, but
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: it's just there was a lot of padding in between
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: those moments for me.
• 59:59
  Speaker 12: You know what's a much more fun movie with some
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 12: similar themes is that Eternal Sunshine.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to get to that because it's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: sort of, I don't know, it skates around those same
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: kind of ideas.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: What I like about that is no matter what you
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: do to get rid of, you're going to get drawn
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: back in by love, if you're meant to be.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought was interesting in this, and they
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: even bring it up, because I've thought that. It's like, yeah, there's...
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: something I'd like to take out of my entire brain.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I don't like this relationship so much, I want to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: remove it. But then you look at, well, maybe you
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: needed that relationship to get where you are. So then
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: they go into that story about her and her dad.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: And it's like, if you and my dad were never
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: supposed to be together, then I didn't need to exist.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: And I'm here. And I don't know, it does throw
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: that big loophole in this plan. It's like, that's bullshit.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Because if everything has this path that we're supposed to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: be on, then that was supposed to happen. Regardless of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: whether the timer told you to or not, this did happen.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I am here. I think it is one of those,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: and you see that where it kind of has that
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: maybe there is some sort of path that you're supposed
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: to be on, regardless of what decisions you make. You
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: still sort of end up going where you need to go.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think there was a little bit
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: of that thrown in there that was kind of interesting. Again,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: They just sort of skate around it, but I thought
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that part was really cool.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: How am I supposed to truly enjoy a great movie
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: if I've never seen a bad one? You have to
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: have a comparison level.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 12: Spotless Mind is kind of concept-heavy, too, but for me
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 12: it was a little bit more involving, a little more fun.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: Stylistically, it's, you know, yeah, everything, I mean.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: It's not a fair comparison, really, but I'm making it anyway.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: I think it throws a couple of different things out there.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Aside from that where you're supposed to end up thing,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: I think it also has that, and he even says,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: live in the present rather than stress about the future,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: which is a very legitimate way that some people live.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: And I think, again, that concept has nothing to do
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: with the timer. There's that that they throw in there
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: that I think is, is really interesting. And you can
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: build an entire movie around just that, about just somebody
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: in a relationship who is just there to have fun
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: and that they want to be there. And they're not
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: really worried about the future. And you've got somebody who
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: that's all they worry about. I mean, there's, there's two
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: different ways of taking the, you know, that, that relationship or,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: or any, I guess your life in general in that,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: in that capacity. I don't know.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: That gets me thinking about, uh, midnight in Paris. Uh,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: it's kind of a similar mindset in the sense that
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: you've got this, another, this pair of characters where they're
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: in a relationship that where there's not that really that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: much love. And it's rather than one person being obsessed
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: with the future, they're obsessed with the past, but they
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: kind of come to a similar realization throughout it.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: I thought that was, again, really interesting and it works
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: completely outside of the sci-fi element. It really is just
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: about how you look at things and how you live
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: your life. If you're in the same situation, you're just
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: kind of working the opposite end of it. And it
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: really does come down to that, well, what are you
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: okay with? Are you okay with just screwing around right now?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Or do you have to have some sort of plan?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: It has to be going somewhere and you know 100% okay,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: you're going to be around later. I don't know. I
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: thought that was kind of interesting.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 12: But Mikey, I mean, he's like, in his mind, he's
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 12: made up his mind that he will be around. He's
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 12: not really just In the present, he's like saying, well,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 12: you have to decide. You have to make up your mind.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I think that's him kind of growing up, too. Because
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: in the beginning, he was just sort of, hey, let's
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: hook up. You're some hot chick at the grocery store.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: And by the end, he's the one saying, I can
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: tell you now. You're from now. We're going to be
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: together because I want to be with you. And she's
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: the one that can't. All of a sudden it sort
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: of switches, and she's the one that can't commit to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: that because she needs this thing telling her that that's okay.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Which makes it sort of bleak and fatalistic.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: It does. It does feel bleak.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Because you've got this thing, and it's like there's no way.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what path you choose in your life.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter whether you choose to go off and
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: get your doctorate or become a drug dealer. If you're
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: going to meet your true love in two years, then
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: that's just what it's going to be. There's no way
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: to escape that, at least. Because they could have played
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: up that angle to where, she makes certain decisions in
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: her life to where it alters the time on, you know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: somebody's wrist, but it doesn't, it doesn't explore that at all.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: One, one thing I, I would, I, when I kept
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 5: thinking over and over in my brain, if I, if,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: if that day was my day, I don't know if
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: I'd be able to get out of bed. I would,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: I would stay almost, I've had that thought in my mind.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: If everything is predetermined, then why get out of bed
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: in the morning? And that to me, that's a really, uh,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: you know, I, I would, I would like, well, if,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: why get up if I'm supposed to meet that person today?
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: And she did that, right?
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: And she did, exactly. And I said, that's exactly what
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: I would do.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: And then your house catches on fire and it's the fireman.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 8: It reminds me of that scene in Stranger Than Fiction
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: where Dustin Hoffman's like, well, just stay in bed all
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: day and see if you control your destiny or if
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: it comes to you and the thing comes and bulldozes
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 8: his apartment. Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: It is, yeah. Again, it's that, you know, you're heading
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: down that path whether you like it or not, whether
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: you know it or not. Whatever decision you make still
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: ends up leading you to that destination that you have
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: to be at.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 13: But then Mikey was always on that path because she
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 13: doesn't go meet him because she's hanging out with Mikey,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 13: and assumably if they both had timers and both been on,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 13: then that would have been the day rather than the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 13: day 15 days later or whatever.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. It's a weird circular thing
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: going on.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 12: It's like every episode of That's So Raven where she
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 12: has a permanent.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 12: And the thing she does because she had the premonition,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 12: lead the premonition.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: That's true. Is that a real name?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Sadly, that's actually accurate. And it's worse than I can
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: tell you.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: He's right.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 31: I feel like Mikey's got this youthful, hopeful, ignorant thing
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 31: going on because he says, yes, I know we'll be
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 31: together in a year, but he's just been having sex
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 31: with random women and then he actually.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: Connects with one and falls in love, and it's like
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: that first love, of course you're going to be together
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 8: for a year, but maybe not. He's just never had
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: that before, so he doesn't really.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Know how that first love works. But isn't that how
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be? Well, yes. Again, in the real
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: way things were.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: And I was rooting for him, but he says, I
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: know we'll be together for a year, and maybe not.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Apparently not.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: Apparently not for a week.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: You never know. What if things just.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 12: Don't work out with the guy that she's fated to
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 12: be with.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: That's the thing I thought, actually. I was like, by
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: the end of it, it seems like it sort of
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: shoves you into this thing. But I was like, really?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, she's taken the timer off. She already has
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: this realization that it's kind of bullshit. And it's this
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: grand gesture on one hand. But at the other, it's
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: her sort of saying... she doesn't believe in it on
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: the one. I mean, she's still sort of falling into
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: the trap, but at the same time, it's like, well,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: when he's just a guy who was already in love
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: with this other woman, if, if that was his real one,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: you know, if, if you're not, if you're assuming that
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: the timer is bullshit, like I guess she is at
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: this point, then, you know, give it a year and
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: maybe she does end up back with Mikey.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 11: I just think the timer, you know, declaring that you're
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: going to be together for the rest of your life,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 11: It's just, like, I mean, I'm the kind of person that, like,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 11: worries about, I don't know why I think my mother
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 11: did this to me. I worry about freak accidents constantly. Like,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 11: I worry about horrible things happening at any given second
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: of my life. And I'm watching this movie and thinking, like,
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: what if he gets hit by a bus? Like, what if,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 11: you know, he goes to work and a plane crashes
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: into his office building?
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: A truck.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: You know, what happens to his timer then, or her
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: timer then?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 11: In order for this timer, for everyone to have a
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 11: timer in it, be your soulmate that you're going to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 11: be with for the rest of both of your lives,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 11: that would have to mean that no one can die,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 11: like no one can get cancer and die, you know,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 11: no one, it's just like.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Or it just goes back to the fatalistic thing, like
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, where it somehow just knows,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: and that's not really.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 12: Well, it knows because you can fast forward to the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 12: end of the movie and then back up. That's the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 12: nature of film is that it is already decided by
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 12: the time you're watching it. But for me, I just
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 12: have a mental habit of... of always i guess i'm
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 12: amused by the idea of opposites or symmetry but immediately
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 12: i think well do they have like a divorce timer
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 12: it's like we're gonna get to.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: This point and it's like we're gonna call it quits now.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: You speak of divorce, did you all take it as
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: a huge betrayal that was glossed over even by the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: daughter that the mother lied to her about her father
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: having the timer and him saying that it wasn't... It
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: was almost like she was denying that... I don't know.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: It does seem like a big deal.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 12: If it was your relationship, you'd go, what the fuck?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: Because that would change my whole concept of from an
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: early age of what love was and what my parents
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: love was. And then, you know, the fact that my
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: dad did or didn't have a timer, you know, uh,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: before they broke up, that's to me as a huge, it's.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 12: Like in strictly ballroom when you find out the dad
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 12: never danced and.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: The whole vision of him, you know, going overboard.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 12: It's like, well, he never danced.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: That changes everything.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: And the other thing is the sister gets pissed because,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: That the guy that she's dating or wants to date
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: is the one. Well, she has no claim on him.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: She knows it's not him. She's already met him. Even
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: if he doesn't have his timer yet, she's already met him.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: So she has no... I mean, I thought that was
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: kind of almost manufactured....
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: That felt like sisters to me.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 12: I think she was really transferring that anger because she
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 12: was really pissed that she got hers taken off and
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 12: can't get it back on now.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: And then you bailed on me.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: And she knows it's still not going to be for
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: a long time. Regardless of if she removes it, she
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: knows the date. Everybody's gotten the calendar out. As soon
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: as they get their thing, they've planned out the date
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: and they know that date better than they know their
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: own birthday. So having that on means nothing.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: She knows she's going to meet the guy. It just
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: makes it sort of pointless other than having that certainty of,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: bumping into that person, that alarm went off. But for
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: the better part, I mean, it's just.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 12: I wonder what their refund policy is.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: Right, that's true.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 12: Because then you could get it on, get the date,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 12: and then say, no, I've changed my mind.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: But you also have to pay to get it off.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: You pay twice, yeah.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: When the sister had her thing removed, though, the guy
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 8: she was supposed to be with, his would have gone blank.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 8: And so he would have thought, oh, she was in
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: an accident or something. And so he would just say, okay, well,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: I'll do the best I.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Can, then.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: find and fall in love with someone else.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: They would have met on the bus and not known
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: each other.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: They may meet and not know each other, or it
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: may just completely change the path.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: But also think about how bleak that is. All of
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: a sudden, it just goes blank on you. Like, oh,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: my soulmate died.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: My soulmate's dead now.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: Well, see, that's what I like.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 13: I think all the sort of issues that we're bringing up,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 13: the movie was smart enough to at least address in passing.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 13: They do address that that's what happens. I liked that
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 13: the one character didn't want to get a timer because
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 13: his wife had died and he was just so fully
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 13: committed to the idea that this woman that he was
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 13: married to obviously had to have been his soulmate.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 12: I don't think it was poorly made or poorly thought
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 12: out or even poorly written. I just think it... Yeah,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 12: it just didn't have a lot of impact. And I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 12: kind of wondered if that was because, you.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: Know, it's something that is a big deal to.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: A lot of people.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 12: And a lot of people are really unhappy about their
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 12: relationship status.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's just.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 12: For me, it seems to lack oomph, but maybe it's
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 12: just sort of comforting.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if it just... I
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: don't know how it would be comforting. It's such a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: grim outlook, it's kind of the other way around.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: I would not want that timer to go off, ever.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 12: Well, it's a grim outlook if you were in the movie,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 12: but since you're not, it's kind of like it's just
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 12: taking a conventional thing and playing it out, but maybe...
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 12: real life seems a little more tolerable.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 27: By comparison no not really no see maybe that was
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 27: you said is they took kind of an unconventional and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 27: cool idea but it still came off as feeling conventional
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 27: in the end story-wise it did to me it has
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 27: moments it reminds me of a movie that apparently doesn't
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 27: exist anymore but it was a really good movie and
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 27: it was uh It was in a series of American shorts,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 27: and they basically filmed some classic short stories.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: And it was called Vintage Thunderbird.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 12: It opens with a couple in a car lot with
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 12: the little plastic triangle things blowing in slow motion in
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 12: the wind. And they have this vintage thunderbird, and I
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 12: just remember they break up, things go wrong, and she's
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 12: sort of getting back with her previous boyfriends. There's a
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 12: hilarious conversation with the boyfriend and the ex-boyfriend, and it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 12: has nothing to do with it.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: It's the city, man.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: It makes you crazy. You've got to get out of
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: the city.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: And it's advice from the ex-boyfriend to the new dumped boyfriend.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: And in the end, she sells.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 12: They get back together, but she sold the Thunderbird, and
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 12: she really got screwed on the deal.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: And the ending is about trying to buy back.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 12: The Thunderbird, and they're going to have to pay you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 12: off more than they got for it. And it just
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 12: captures that sense of diminishing returns. They're together again, but
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 12: they've lost something, and they've lost something like kind of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 12: that certainty about their relationship, even though they are together.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've pulled back the curtain, too.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: You can't have what you had before because you sold it.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: Even if you buy it back, you're still never going
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 5: to have it back.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 12: And that's kind of like the feeling I get from
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 12: this movie. It's like her connection with the guy who
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 12: is her guy just seems so disappointing.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, again, that's the sad part of it. What I
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: think was kind of cool was just the way it's
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: showing you the way that the world really works and
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: how that actually works. Because the one that she has
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: chemistry with is Mikey, and then the sister is the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: one that has chemistry. The only time she ever seems
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: kind of happy is when she's with this guy. He
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: goes to get the timer just because she's made him
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: realize he doesn't want to be alone the rest of
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: his life. So they both sort of are working out
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: their relationships the way that nature intended them. And then
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: the timer fucks everything up.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: We have to consider, though, that maybe Una and Mikey
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 8: would have been miserable together, and Steph and Dan would
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: have been miserable together, and now Una and Dan will
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: be happy together. And I still see it as depressing,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 8: but ultimately we're trying to find happiness in our lives,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 8: and if that's how they find it, then maybe they
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 8: all avoided miserable lives.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 21: Mm-hmm.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 8: We could have had the plot of Closer.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 12: But it's our happiness that matters.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Are the pod people the happy ones, or are we
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: the happy ones?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: That becomes the question, really. Well, whenever.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 12: People do get together in a relationship. They are kind
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 12: of like pod people, especially after they have kids. Then
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 12: they're just like, come be like us. When are you
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 12: going to get married?
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: When are y'all going to have kids? It really is.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 12: Nobody ever says, when are y'all going to get split
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 12: up so we can have fun again?
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 11: The timer's almost like a mother permanently attached to your wrist.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 11: Like the literal mother.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: Are you married?
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: The way that she is, like the mother brought up how,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: you know, that lie, like the mother is not a
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: good character. And, you know, not even in the way
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: mothers are normally annoying. But this is like above and
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: beyond that, where she's just like, well, he's not your one.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: And like she's just adding fuel to this fire of
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: how dysfunctional this whole situation is. And again, she brought
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: it on herself by, you know, doing it to herself,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: doing it to her kids now. So, yeah, the mother
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: comes off really bad in this movie.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: Like I said, to me, I thought of having the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: guy over and he's almost forcing this on like a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: shackle on the kid. You have no choice in who
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: you're going to love and you don't even get to
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: try to love anybody else.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: It's like child abuse to me. Robbing them of their
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: life for their choice.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: She was super cute.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: If somebody told me, I would have been doing cartwheels
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: in the front yard.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking at the kid's reaction. I'm like,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: what is he, gay? No, but you also got.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: To look at it from the point of view of
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: a standard 14-year-old to where it's like, Screw you, parents.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: You're telling me that I'm going to be falling in
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: love with this girl? Fuck you.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 8: I'll do what I want.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 5: Because that other girl that he was talking to at school,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: she was probably fine, too.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: No, she wasn't.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 12: Yeah, but think what a great setup that is for
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 12: a young guy.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: Hey, I'm the right one.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Which, if anything, you mentioned that. I was almost more
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: interested in seeing more of that story than the one
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: that we were getting. It's like, I want to see
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: more of this scenario to where it's I thought the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: whole timer thing would have worked better as a subplot
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: rather than the whole gimmick behind the film, and that's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: something where you could have done it with. That's why
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: these two met, and then they're forced to possibly be
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: soulmates or not throughout the film. I could see something
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: like that be more investing than the characters we had.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it was like when Apu met his wife on
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 12: The Simpsons, and they were like, you know, oh, what
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 12: the hell, we can always get divorced.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: It was an arranged marriage, but it's sort of okay.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: It works out pretty well. What was her name? Manchula.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: It's like when Apu met Manchula.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: Or like when Lord Zedd met Rita in Power Rangers.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 23: Yes.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: That is a faded meeting. Right up there with Romeo
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: and Juliet.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 8: I found myself really curious about the technology itself. And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 8: At the beginning, they mentioned the personality profile. So I'm wondering,
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: are they matching by just this really extensive personality profile?
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 8: And if so, people change drastically over the years.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: And if not that, then what?
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 8: And then the other thing is they've invented precognitive technology.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 8: This is what they're doing.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: Again, that seemed very real. That's how we operate.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Well, there were some scientists who threw this little quick
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: 30-second pseudoscience blurb out. To me, I could kind of
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: get into that, because it's pretty much the director's way
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: of saying, accept it or don't.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking too deeply, but I just.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: I like that it was so dumbed down that the.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: The technicians in the store had no clue how.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Any of it worked.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 11: They were like people at the Apple store.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. They were the people at the Apple store.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: No, it felt like a cell phone store to me.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: They were just trying to sell you the new plan. Yeah,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: Especially the manager who was less knowledgeable about it than
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: she was.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: And was like 21. Right, right. Yeah, let me put
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: this on you.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 23: Hold on.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: They have no clue.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: That's, you know, you're dealing with potentially the greatest invention
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: of mankind and Yeah, again.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 12: It's not a fair comparison, but the technicians in The
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 12: Eternal Sunshine are spotless.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: But I like the way they were here, because they
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: were also like... They were like that Disneyland happy about everything,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: but at the same time cold about it. Just like, oh,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: are you back again? And she's like, you know, dying alone.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: You're like, hey, time for another sale.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: I like the mindset, too, that when she's wanting to
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: get rid of it, really? It'd be no different if
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: you went to a cell phone provider and said, I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: want to get rid of my cell phone. Who are
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: you going with?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Nobody.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I just don't want a cell phone anymore.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Are you sure you want to cancel this plan? Yeah,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: I know exactly what they do because I did that recently.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: And they say... We can give you a free month.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, sure, do it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 12: And so my daughter's been calling all her out-of-state colleges
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 12: on this phone that they gave us a free month.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: We've already switched.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 12: There's no way.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: We're going back. But, you know, if they want to
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: give me a month, I know I've already paid for it.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: This is how it works.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 26: Oh, okay. So how many more times are we going
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 26: to do this?
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: Well, as many more times as you let me.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 15: See, I.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not like you.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 26: I've slept with a total of four men in my life,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 26: and each time I've had to face the very real
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 26: possibility of losing them. And with you, it's actually not
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 26: a possibility.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: It's absolute certainty.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: So I guess you can relax, then. Wait, um, so
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: you're saying that I'm lucky number five?
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 18: Ha ha ha!
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: So we're getting it.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 24: Yeah.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 19: Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 8: Just shut up.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 11: I just think it's silly to think of a life
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 11: where you're not allowed to make mistakes. You know, like.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 11: I've had horrible relationships, but, you know, like, I've learned
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 11: a lot from them. They've shaped me and made me, like,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 11: who I am, which might not be, like, the most
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 11: awesome person in the world, but, I mean, like, you know,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 11: I reserve the right to be proud of these things
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 11: that you overcome. I don't know. I mean, like, imagine
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 11: if you've never gone through, like, a horrible breakup or, like,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 11: never had a shitty boyfriend or girlfriend in your life.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Like, And I think that's what the movie's saying. It's
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: like this preoccupation with the perfect one is going.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 13: To screw you and keep you from having a, you know,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 13: being an interesting full person.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: So live your life.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: So would any of you get A timer, if it
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: was a thing?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: It seems like a really bad idea. Except possibly getting
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: that fake one and then just hooking up randomly. I
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: like that fake wedding ring thing. That was kind of funny.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: I was proud of him when he took it off.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: I was like, good job.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: But I like, once again, he could just be a
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: sleazy guy trying to hook up, but I like that
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: he also had a reason behind it.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 12: Man, if I was that teenage kid, I'd be trying
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 12: to hook up.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I just want to experiment and see if it would
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: work if you put it in a light bulb. dog
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: or cat. Something that is more animalistic. Are they going
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: to find their sizzle?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 13: That's why you hated Planet of the Apes, because you're
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 13: pro-animal testing.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 20: I hated Planet of the Apes because I was just like, no,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 20: there's no logic to it.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I like the fact that the whole... We're totally getting excited.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: That never happens on this show.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: If we're going to suddenly go back on this like
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: we're going back to the war horse today. My whole
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: issue was, I like the idea that the apes were
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: escaping and all this, but the ultimate question is, Why
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: did the apes have to fight the humans? There really
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't a reason for it. Because they escaped from the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: compound in the dark of night and managed to be
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: stealthy and get away without anyone knowing. They could have
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: gotten across that bridge and to that redwoods area without
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: anybody knowing.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 3: I'll have to revisit the movie.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: Or it's also, where does all the technology and know-how go?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 12: Go because they're really primitive in the planet of the apes.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, well, we don't know what happens between now.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: But also, too, it's like, well, if they wanted it
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: to attack humans, I could have also seen it to
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: where you had an ending to where they just attack
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: humans to get back at them because they felt like
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: they were wronged. And it just, it was, they kind
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: of went for the middle of the road thing and
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: it didn't work for me. And, you know, there's just
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. I mean, even like the whole
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Spielbergian ending at the end, where it's like, you know,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: Caesar's home now. It's like, okay, it can change him mentally,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: but it can't change him physiologically, and that ape's going
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: to be incapable of speaking like a human. I mean,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: just little stuff like that. Well, if they're so much.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: Smarter, then why does technology, you know, go, and.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 12: Why don't they have the wrist bracelets? That's my question.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 12: Why don't the apes have the wrist bracelets if.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: It's If it's going into the future, the timeline. Right.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: They should all be in the middle of some sort
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: of romantic comedy right now. Just with monkeys.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 11: I want to make a romantic comedy about monkeys.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Give them all timers. So basically we've decided that monkeys
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: can fall in love.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Of course they can. Who was it? Cordelia and Roddy McDowell?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: Cornelius and Zero. Oh, yeah. Cornelius.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: I'd watch that movie, though. Because those two were a
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: charming couple.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 12: They were.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: I'd watch that any time.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: I'd watch the Dr. Zayas spinoff, too, that would inevitably come.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: He's got to be a horrible guy to go out with.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: That guy's a jerk.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Bitter, bitter, lonely old man.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, like, If you married the first person you've
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 11: ever dated or, I mean, I guess some of you
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 11: guys at this table.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Sorry to say, we've got an interesting group here, actually.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: That's the first relationship I ever had.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 12: It's not the first relationship I had, but we were...
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 12: Potheads and stuff.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: We didn't date. We didn't date.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 12: I didn't start dating until I'd been married for five years.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: Then we had free time and a little extra money.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Let's go on dates. But no. Oh, wait, I have
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: to take you?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 11: I mean, I guess you don't if you have a
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 11: complete happy, loving relationship. But I was with the first
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 11: guy I ever dated for six years from the time
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 11: I was 12 to the time I was 19. And,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 11: you know, I just, like, think, what would my life
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 11: be like if I'd married him and never made any
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 11: other mistakes? Like, I would always wonder what else, like,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 11: is out there.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 5: There's still plenty of room for mistakes and pain within
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: a long-term relationship.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 12: You can achieve a lot of mistakes in a very
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 12: short period of time. A friend of mine told me that, oh, like,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 12: when her relationship was breaking up, it had been, like,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 12: three years, and she said that's really the shortest relationship
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 12: I've ever had, and I said the shortest relationship I've
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 12: ever had was about 30 minutes.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: You can make all the mistakes you need. You don't
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: have to spread it out.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, I guess that's true.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: You've got a relationship like in Wet Hot American Summer
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: to where the entire summer is condensed down to a
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: single day.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: It begins, it's over.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 8: Marriage is absolutely not happily ever after. You have to worry,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 8: which I'm wondering about the characters in Timer who It's
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: your soulmate. It's supposed to be happily ever after. So
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: when they have their first big fight, are they freaking
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: out and wondering if the time is.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: It also takes all... Again, it's so prophet-like that it
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: takes all of that out to that point that, well,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: we can't not be together. So obviously this argument isn't
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: going to do anything. So again, does it become that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: self-fulfilling prophecy that once you have accepted that, You don't
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: let it break you up? And is it is it
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: happy this that you settle into or is it just
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: some sort of mundane existence once.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: You sold the timer to everyone your company then is
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: gone you can't have a 2.0.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's a maintenance.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 8: Fee which uh with that many people have it that's
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 8: a it's all yeah.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: That's true It's all about the maintenance.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's a convenience charge in there somewhere.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: Upgrade.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: It goes back to what you were saying. I mean,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: why not just get the time? get the date, and
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, and then just have it pulled out.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Because imagine if you get this timer put in, it's
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: like 21 years from now. It's like, how much is
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: this going to cost? You start weighing it like that.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: You don't care about the love anymore. It's like, how
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: much is this going to cost?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: I can read a calendar.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: But you're forgetting that next year's model, they're going to
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: have new apps. You're going to be able to play
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Angry Birds on it. I mean, you're going to want
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: to have this. Let me tell you. This is the
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: pitch they're giving you.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 19: Angry Spouse.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: You slingshot your spouse.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: If you do happen to have that date, the only
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: wonder is, what if I end up at a concert
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: and there's a couple hundred other people there who I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: know here, who it might be.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 12: But here's the thing, if it tells you the date
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 12: you're going to meet and that person you're fated to
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 12: be with, then why do you need the bracelet at all?
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: You're fated. It's going to happen.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 8: You don't necessarily know that. There's a song that came
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 8: out like last year by Ben Foltz. It's about that,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: like about two people who are meant to be together,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 8: but like ran into each other at a party or
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 8: they went to the same movie and like didn't look
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 8: around at each other and they married other people. And, um,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 8: there's lines like they were never really unhappy, but they
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 8: had this vague feeling that something was missing.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: That always, everybody feels that something is missing.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 12: If you don't feel something's missing, there's.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Something wrong with you.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: There's something that's unbreakable. Yeah. There's something missing if you
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: don't feel like there's something missing.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I'm just extremely cynical. There's your country
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: music song.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 11: I mean, like with the first boyfriend that I had
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 11: that I ended up not marrying, I hadn't seen him
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 11: for like five years, and I ran into him like...
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 11: two no one week before he got married and i'm
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 11: just like this is fate this means something and i
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 11: was like really.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 32: Torn up about it you were kind of freaking out
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 32: i remember yeah i remember i remember that and now
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 32: i think about it i'm just like when did i
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 32: ever believe in that like why why would i even
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 32: think that that's ridiculous i don't know i think i've
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 32: just become so cynical maybe through the years that i
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 32: just think like yes that was a strange coincidence But.
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 11: It doesn't mean anything. And I mean, I think that
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 11: further jaded me, you know, because we didn't end up together.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 11: I didn't, like, ride in and crash his wedding on
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 11: a white horse, you know, like.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: You could have.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: It's hard to be in conversations with other women. Just
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: watch that and feel like it.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 23: Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 11: But I mean, it's just like, I think I've just
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 11: been so jaded that, I don't know, just, I have
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 11: a hard time with concepts like things are supposed to
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 11: work out or people are like meant to be together.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 13: I don't know.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 11: I think I just have a hard time finding that.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: I think the question would be like, if you know
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: there's somewhere down, if you're like the sister, if you've
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: got this 20 year span, do, do you do what
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: she does? Do you then get involved in random relationships
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: just for the hell of it? You know, cause that's
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: kind of what we ended up doing anyway.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 12: Really?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like assuming you're not going to end
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: up with all these people along the way, but you're,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: assuming down the line you're going to meet this person.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: So each time that these other little ones along the
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: way fail, you do have to quit. It wasn't a mistake.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: How different would it have been if you knew this
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: magic number and avoided all those? Would you be less
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: of a person for not going through that? Or would
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: you actually be happier because all of these kind of
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: sucked along the way? It's kind of both because there's
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: times I feel both sides of that argument.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: I think for me it would be.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: I liked her scenario better than any, and I think
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: she was misusing it because it would be very freeing.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: I can do all of these things and not have
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: to worry about anybody or taking care of somebody or
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: looking for love or wasting any time. Now I can
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 5: just go be with my friends, get the degree that
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: I want to, travel the world when I want to,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: and it's going to come when I'm 46.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I kind of saw that. I mean, that
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: could be her because it was she was working crappy jobs.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: It's like she really could just be focusing on, you know,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: what she wants to do with her life. And so
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: she did have that option that she could have done
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: and didn't. But I don't know. That's kind of what
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of it as it went on. Is
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: it like do you is it worth having these other
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: throwaway relationships if you're assuming somewhere out there there's this
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: perfect person that you're supposed to be with in the
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: real world versus, you know, in both of these scenarios?
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Is it worth it?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: Why wasn't she doing more with her life?
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 18: I know.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Because she's kind of a slack ass.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she was working at a nursing home in a bar.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: In a bar.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: That would be horrible.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 8: I'm a bartender, too, and I very much like it. But,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 8: you know, I have other things that I enjoy as
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 8: well that I work on. Bartending is not my ultimate ambition.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: You're just there to meet men. That's what she was there.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: That's what she said.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 12: At the nursing home?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: First of all, the old dude at the nursing home,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: I don't even know, recognize the actor.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dutch.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: That's the date of my life.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: He played Mickey Morton. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: I had to look.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Him up, but I knew I knew that guy. That's right.
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  Speaker 5: I loved that old man. I wanted more of that
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: old man.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: See, that's something I thought too. I was like, okay,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: if you have like this little indie little budget, you
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: don't always need it, but it always helps to have like.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: that seasoned character actor that is just there for like
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: that one role just to, you know, give that movie
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: a little bit of presence. It's like, okay, you kids
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: have your fun. I'm going to come in here for
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: about two minutes, blow you away with my scene.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: And we'll steal the show. Hi folks at home, hope
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: you're enjoying my cameo.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: And then I'm out. I was like, can't wait for
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: one of those to pop up.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 13: I thought that's what the executive or the music producer
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 13: dad was going to be.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, that's going to be Bruce Dern.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: That would have been very cool.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I did like that scenario too though that you
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: get to that character that I guess she's the only
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: other character outside of Mikey that was just like yeah
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: he wasn't my one but I said fuck it and
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: I was just like okay I like this you know
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: it's like all of a sudden there's somebody else who
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: kind of sees the way the world really works and
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: it is one of those that's like okay I'm going
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: to you know accept the situation I'm in and enjoy
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: the life that I have made for myself now instead
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: of waiting for something that may or may not ever
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: actually come.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 13: See, I think there was a character that sort of
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 13: explored every possibility of this scenario, and that's what I
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 13: really liked about it. There's more of an ideological sort of.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 12: It didn't really acknowledge, in a way, the whole ugliness
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 12: of the.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: Corporate exploitation of things that people are so anxious about.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 12: How it makes people feel like bad about their lives,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 12: even though they're doing okay.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, no, but you're supposed to do this. You're
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: supposed to find your soulmate. Those commercials were pretty good.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 13: She felt so disaffected and so cut off. I mean,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 13: I think that's why she was working these jobs. Like
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 13: she said that she worked in the old folks home
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 13: because they didn't have timers. And that was like the
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 13: only sort of community that she felt normal around because
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 13: she wasn't being pushed or, you know, seeing everybody else
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 13: hooking up and getting married and knowing that it wasn't.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Her time yet.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 11: Actually, old people are the worst about that. I mean,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 11: in real life, they're the ones that are like... I mean,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 11: I get asked by old ladies how many kids I have.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 11: I'm just like, I don't have any kids. I have
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 11: no kids.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 8: I'm not married.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: I do not have kids.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 11: Just because I'm 26, it does not mean I have
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 11: to have these things.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 12: But you have to understand, they got married at 16.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 13: But I actually, the mother character, I know that we've
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 13: been complaining about her, but I actually found her to
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 13: be a sympathetic character.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: Because she had.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 13: Been through the heartbreak and wanted to prevent her children
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 13: from going through that, and it was completely misguided, but
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 13: that was her impetus. And, you know, lied, I think,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 13: about the father just because she didn't want, she was
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 13: denying her own heartbreak.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: She was trying to be.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 8: Like, well, I was.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Not sympathetic, but tragic.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: They at least gave you that perspective where you understood.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: When she lays that out in the car for them
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: that you kids are so lucky because you don't have
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: to worry about that. You don't have to worry about
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: catching diseases because you know the person you're supposed to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: sleep with. She lays out several reasons that you're like,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: I can see. She got suckered in by the sales pitch.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: There is a way to look at this where it's
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: got all these upsides to it. It's a good sell
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: if you buy into all that shit.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 8: I kind of saw the mother, I mean, kind of
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 8: going off topic, I disliked her because I saw her
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 8: as sort of this typical upper middle class kind of
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 8: condescending white woman, like the Thanksgiving scene I found. The
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 8: Thanksgiving dinner. I guess, you know, she sees it as
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: a nice gesture that she's making Mexican food for their
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 8: new friends.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: It's kind of a condescending thing and It's massively kind
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: of simple.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: Nachos and margaritas.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 13: And I love the little details, like when the sister
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 13: drinks out of her margarita glass and there's the price tag.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 27: On the bottom.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 13: They just got out and bought the glasses, but they
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 13: hadn't even washed them.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 8: For the birthday party, where I bartend, I actually bartend
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 8: for events, banquets, dinners, things like that. A lot of
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 8: very rich people who I wait on. So so then
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 8: during the surprise party, when they hired caterers to come
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: and bartend down their house, it's like, yeah kind of.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 33: Have you ever watched Party Down I have not seen
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 33: it it's a sad it's a sad week for me
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 33: I just finished season 2 oh I'm so sorry.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah oh god it's one of the best shows ever
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: I mean it really it's amazing.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 12: It meant so much to me that my kids liked
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 12: that show they like really got into it they thought
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 12: it was great and it's like okay.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: I'm done yeah it sucks I used to do that
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: as well, so I've avoided the show. They keep talking
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: about it. I've avoided the show because I was like,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: I lived in that world, and I did. I hated
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: everyone that ever had a party with us.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 12: Oh, man, there's one guy in there who's like a
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 12: sci-fi nut, and he's a writer, and he, I don't know,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 12: he has some unfinished novels, but if you count them together, he's,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 12: you know, if you count all his unfinished novels, they
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 12: add up to how many novels he's written. But a
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 12: guy he used to work with hires them as caterers.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Just to rub it in his face that he's got
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: a multi-million dollar.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 12: Oh, the resentment and the unhappiness and just the unease
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 12: and awkwardness of it is just magnificent.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 5: It's like the episode of SpongeBob where Squilliam comes to
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: the Krusty Krab to rub it in Squidward's face that
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: he owns a restaurant.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 23: Yeah.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: I love our references on this show. It's also like the.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 12: One where the only way out for SpongeBob is through
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 12: the perfume department.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good show. It's about caterers. Well, it's
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: caterers in L.A.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: It's about SpongeBob.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: It's about the sponge.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Won't wear square pants. And a pineapple under the sea.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 12: Trying to figure out who killed Laura Palmer.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: And he has these psychic visions and he has to....
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 34: And there's an actor who's like given up on acting
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 34: he's tried he got a commercial it stuck to him
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 34: so much now he can't get any other work and
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 34: he's working as a caterer and he always wears a
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 34: shirt that's weirdly too.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 11: Small no that bothered me and everybody is in it
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 11: at some point or another I think Omar.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 12: Sharif wanders through even You know, Jessica Tandy's in the
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 12: old show.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: SpongeBob. There's a SpongeBob episode. It's a great show. It's
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: a great show.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 14: I'll give you that.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: We've gotten sidetracked.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 11: Wasn't as magical as you hoped? You know, it doesn't
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 11: all have to be chemistry from the jump. Feelings can
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 11: grow over time.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, sparks are fleeting.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: Nothing to talk about can last a lifetime.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: So, I don't know. As far as directing, I was
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: going to go into, I mean, it doesn't do anything groundbreaking,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: but I think it does a pretty decent job of
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: just piecing it together. What I was going to say
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: I thought was interesting was the, because as I read
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: the director, I read it as it's written in IMDb,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: which is Jack Schaefer. It's J-A-C because it's Jacqueline. And
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if she's trying to hide that fact until it's,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: you know, until she's got her foot in the door.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: Because it's, yeah, it kind of, I don't know. That's
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: what I wondered. Because that's how Emma, you know, referred
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: to her as Jacqueline. And then I got to this
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: and I was like, it's, I mean, it is such
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: a weird situation to be in as a female director
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: What else has she done?
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: This was it. This was her first one. And I
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: kind of wanted to see where else she was going.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: And she hasn't done anything since then. So.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 11: The thing that I thought was really weird, there's an
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 11: episode of Better Off Ted where they assign people to
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 11: date other people within the corporation because it would make
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 11: the insurance cheaper. And it reminded me of this movie.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 11: And it's so funny, like the commercial at the beginning
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 11: reminded me, there's always like this commercial in Better Off
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 11: Ted for their company that's like ridiculous. And it reminded
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 11: me of the commercial part. So I don't know if
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 11: one was, I don't know the date. or which one
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 11: came first, but I wonder if one was inspired by
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 11: the other, just that it was eerily similar.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 8: Did anybody notice, like in the title credits, when you
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 8: have the news things and the testimonials and everything, on
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 8: one of the news people, there's the news ticker at
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 8: the bottom, and it says, Return of the King maps
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 8: 11 Oscars, which puts this taking place in 2004, which
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: means this technology has been around since the late 80s. Yeah.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: It's like an alternate universe.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 12: There's a futuristic thing set in the present.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Well, at this point, yeah. It was made in 2008,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Another Earth was like that, too. It's set essentially present day.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's present day, but 2009 is how they list
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: this one. But I guess they were probably making it
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: in 2008. But yeah, that kind of falls in that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: same category. And a lot of people... I had issues
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: with that and the science of that, too.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's better than predicting what slight changes there
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: will be and then being horribly wrong, and then when
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: it gets to that date, you're like, oh, that looks
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: so bad.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I'm.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 12: Jaded to that because I grew up with weekly readers
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 12: that told us all earnestly that, None of us would
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 12: ever have to learn to parallel park because the wheels
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 12: would turn sideways. We would all be wearing little wrist radios.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 12: But technology somehow just went around that.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: We have wrist radios.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: You can put your.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Your iPod, they.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Have their watches. Think how much you can do with
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: your phone that they never saw coming.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: And the cars do park themselves.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: All these big things.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 12: And there actually was a car that the wheels turned sideways,
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 12: but when they were showing it for investors.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: There was a horrible accident. It just never happened.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: But you still don't have to learn how to parallel
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: park if you just buy a new car. Technology's kind
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: of catching up with the crazy stuff we come up
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: with in sci-fi.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 11: It's really funny that this is so off-topic, but... And
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 11: even those, like, Tex Avery, House of the Future things,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 11: it's like they predicted all of these things. Most of
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 11: the things in, you know, the Tex Avery cartoons are silly.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 11: They're meant to be silly. But, like, a lot of
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 11: shows that are, like, silly predict the future things have
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 11: actually been somewhat accurate. They never predicted, like, changing gender
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 11: roles from, like, the Tex Avery.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 11: The house might do all these amazing things, but the
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 11: wife is still a wife and she's still like a housewife.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: It's like the Jetsons. Nothing about that is futuristic. It's interesting.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 12: Well, that would upset the audience at the time.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: The woman in charge of men? Not in our future, no.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: Hell it'll be.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, it's weird because I remember reading when
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 12: I was in college that Ibsen's doll's house was performed
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 12: in louisville in 1893 before it hit europe.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: And nobody found anything up and they went to.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: The play it was a good play.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: And they all went home and then and then.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 35: It burnt like a fire across europe and everybody was
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 35: inflamed about it but the odd thing about that really
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 35: is that it didn't really express any opinions that weren't.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 12: In newspapers, but something about the play just set people off.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 12: And I think that's why they don't predict things that
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 12: maybe because they do see them coming is why they
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 12: don't predict them because they're not trying to create a
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 12: controversy or a statement. They're just trying to make a
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 12: fun entertainment.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: Is there anything else we have on this one? I
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: think we've kind of come to that conclusion. Again, I
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: think it's Got a lot more there than you... I mean,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: if you're not paying attention, you could kind of just
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: throw this in there as a bad romantic comedy, which, again,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think it is. But even as, like, a
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 2: relationship movie, it's got a lot more going on under
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: the surface than you can kind of tell right off.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 12: Well, I'm really impressed by all the observations people have
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 12: made about it, because I have to admit, I just.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 12: And I think a lot of well that's the thing
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 12: and then I looked up I just felt like it
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 12: lacked spirit and I wasn't that engaged and so.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I like the mom or not
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Again I go back you know I think it's sort
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: of been concurred by a couple people there's a lot
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: of stuff there just not enough for a feature length
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: film at least not where it's at it.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 12: Just didn't excite me I mean I'm sure there's stuff
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 12: there I mean I'm sure if I peer in my
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 12: neighbor's window there's stuff going on there I'm just.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: Not going to do it well You know?
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: I think it's just, it wasn't exciting for me. I
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 5: think her story is the least interesting story to me. Like,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: everyone else's story is the one that I would like
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: to spend, you know, more time on.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: That's not usually. I mean, you've got to have the
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: boring character as your main character a lot. Or they
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: seem to do that a lot of times because you
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: want to tell these other side stories, but you need
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: somebody there to carry you through.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much the whole premise of Seinfeld.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's the least interesting character, yeah. So... I don't know.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: But that's what I was going to say as far
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: as people's response. I went to Rotten Tomato just to
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: kind of see what people... It's got a not-so-good rating,
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: but then if you go down to the reviews, they're
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: almost all positive. It's like everybody kind of has good
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: stuff to say about it. Maybe not raves, but everybody
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: has positive things to say about it, and then it's
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: got like a 58 or something. Yeah, it's likable. It's
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: just you don't care that much. I think it does
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: kind of fall in there. I think there's a lot
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: of good things in there, but something doesn't quite click
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: with it. It never quite gets to that point where
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: it's great. But there's some really interesting stuff going on.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 8: I just kind of got drawn in by the philosophical
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 8: debate presented.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I did too. I think that's what
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: I liked.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 8: I say I like it because just that overshadowed everything
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 8: else for me. I told my wife, we watched it together,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 8: I'd seen it before, and I told her before we
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 8: watched it, it's... You probably won't love it, but it's
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 8: better than it should be.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think I like it for what we just had.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: I think the fact that it brings about all these
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: questions and all these different thoughts and scenarios of the
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: way things could work or should work.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: It is an interesting way to debate.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably better than the finished product itself.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: And I think Lucy said it a couple times that
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: they do explore– all of the scenarios. And that's what's
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: good about it. They don't... Because you're apt to say, well,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: what if this? And they didn't cover that.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: It's very coherent.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: And they at least follow that and give each person
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 5: has their own story on what would happen if.
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  Speaker 2: Which is pretty impressive for her first movie, too.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 11: Sometimes I think too much outside the context of a
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 11: film without really thinking about other, like, ways to interpret
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 11: a film. And that's what gets me in trouble with either, like,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 11: liking a stupid movie or not liking a good movie.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 11: I mean, I'm definitely guilty of that, you know.
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  Speaker 14: But I.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 11: Think there were just, you know, they did explore a
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 11: lot of what-ifs within the plot line. But I'm just
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 11: too busy thinking of, like, what if, and if this
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 11: means this, then this means this. And I just, like, couldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Subscribe to it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 24: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For me, it lacked the key emotional moments where I
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: care about. I wasn't worried about her.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, she wound up with him. Cool.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: I'd be okay.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: If not, well, she'll be okay.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure she was going to be okay no
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: matter what happened.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Again, I think it's because you said she's such a
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: strong character on her own, really, that whoever she ends
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: up with, or if she stays alone for years, it's
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: like she's still... kind of a good person and you
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: know she'll be all right so i can i can.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 12: See that i wasn't i didn't have those moments like
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 12: well in manhattan uh that hemingway girl at the end
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 12: she says i can't believe you found somebody you like
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 12: better than me and that's just so raw and affecting
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 12: it's such a great.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: Moment mikey's the only one that's got that yeah he
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: has that moment like that and i i care but
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: even he seems like Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 12: Or people make fun of the movie Juno because it's
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 12: so self-consciously... And it is. But there's that scene where
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 12: the guy starts creeping on her and then she's driving
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 12: along and she's crying because she's fucked, man.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: And that's a good scene.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 12: That's the kind of thing that, you know, makes it, like,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 12: real within its emotional world.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: And there.
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  Speaker 15: So I.
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  Speaker 12: I think for me, it's interesting philosophically, but it's kind
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 12: of bloodless. I'm not worried about the stakes in the movie, really.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: I could see that.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 11: I think if it was more of a commentary, it
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 11: just didn't seem... It kind of seemed like they halfway
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 11: wanted it to be about almost the absurdity of everyone
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 11: in life feeling like they need to find that person
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 11: that they're supposed to be with forever, but I just
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 11: feel like it fell a little short on the... I mean,
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 11: I guess it was supposed to be a lighthearted comedy,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 11: but I don't know.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: It was like.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: I think maybe you want it to be... you know,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: skull crushing. I think that's what it is. Like you
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: were saying, they do such a good job of exploring
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: these avenues a little bit that they never pick a road,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: you know, much like this. It's like they never kind
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: of decide where they're going with the movie because they're
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: so busy kind of covering their bases.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 12: They do cover the bases and it's coherent and it's
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 12: kind of enjoyable, but, you know, it'd be hard to
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 12: watch it again.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: It's not that they at least left some ambiguity to
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: the end of it.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: I did like that. Because again, I sort of, took
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: it the other way. I was like, because she's now
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: kind of free of it, even mentally, you know, granted
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: she'd already found out who, but that, that gesture was
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: her kind of, you know, saying, screw it. And, you know,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: hopefully following her heart, which was the basic idea behind
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: all of this. So I don't know. That's kind of
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: the more how I took the end of it.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: You never see anybody officially together who are supposed to
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: be other than the parents, you know, other than her
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: parents are supposed to be by the timer. Because the
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 5: kids never get together, and the sister, of course, hasn't
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: found anybody, and she never officially, you know. So none
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 5: of that's ever resolved, I guess. No one gets the
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 5: person they're supposed to.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Not really. Yeah, how do you depict that?
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: Right. Show a wedding? How cheesy would that be?
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: Sequel! I will not see the sequel to this movie.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: The hell he said.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: Unless you sign it.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 12: Just the idea of a sequel to this movie is
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 12: so enjoyable.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: You could go a really weird couple of directions with that, actually.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: Two timers. Two timers. It could be interesting.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 12: Oh, there you go.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: That would be.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: I still... Yeah. That would be the.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: It'd be timer two.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 8: Two timers.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: With Reese Witherspoon.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: In 3D.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: Or there's like a new app where it turns out
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: that the old software was out of date and actually
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: maybe not everybody's timers were accurate.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a big lawsuit.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden all these people who are together,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: their timers recalibrate and they don't.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: Sync up sadly that would be more interesting.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: They should have said it in like the mid 90s
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: and then we get there and realize none of them
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: were programmed for the year 2000 they don't know how
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: to flip over y2k probably y2k goes to hell that's
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: what it should be you see well before we totally
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: round it out uh we do have the the one
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: from the vaults from emma caulfield which I normally run
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: into the beginning, but this one, I, I, you know,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: we talk a little bit about the director on that episode.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: If you go back to her episode, it's, she's pretty awesome. So,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: and I'm convinced our timers link up, but anyway, you know,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: don't tell her boyfriend that, but, um, yeah, she's, she's
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: pretty awesome. But I kind of saved this one because
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: I asked her sort of her thoughts on the general
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: theme of it all. And I wanted to sort of
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: leave it to the end. So yeah, let's see what
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: Emma thinks.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 21: And timer's interesting, you know. It's an interesting idea. And again,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 21: not a very typical traditional ending.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 21: Which, you know, I'm a... There was definitely a camp
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 21: of people who didn't like that ending, who wanted Una
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 21: to end up with Mikey. And her argument was that
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 21: she felt real. And had she done that, she would
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 21: have had to sell out the entire film in order
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 21: to give the audience that ending, even though it might
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 21: have made them really happy. And I really liked that.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 21: I liked the fact that it was an unorthodox ending.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 21: And I think it was a pretty gender-friendly film.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 29: But it does sort of raise those weird questions.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you, I don't know, as far as the.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 29: Relationship stuff goes, do you feel that there, I mean,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 29: it has that, you.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Know, you're meant for one person kind of thing, and
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: then it's got the other camp.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 29: That's sort of like you meet people and you grow
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 29: to love people, and I don't know, it sort of
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 29: raises that weird question that, do you think that there
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 29: is one answer to.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: That, or....
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 21: Um, I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 21: think that there's only one person for you. I don't
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 21: know that that's fair. Um, particularly if you look at
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 21: just friendships in general, right? You have, you have soulmates
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 21: in a lot of different ways, not just sexual, not intimate.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 21: You know, you, you can definitely bond with people and
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 21: have really intense workable relationships that run the course of
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 21: of a lifetime if that's your end result, right? If
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 21: success is predicated on a lifetime of being with that
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 21: one person, whether in a friendship or in a relationship.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 21: well then I guess that'd be the point of the timer.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 21: The timer would argue, no, you'll be with them until death.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 21: Like that's, that's it. That's that success. You can't be
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 21: with someone successfully for 20 years and then grow apart.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 21: That's considered a failure. And if you had a timer, well,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 21: you wouldn't be with someone 20 years. You'd be with
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 21: them forever. Um, really negating 20 years. And I don't
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 21: know that that's fair.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 21: I don't know that a limited impact is, is equal
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 21: to failure. I don't think that that's true. I think
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 21: that there are people that you get caught up with
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 21: that really, if you could have avoided them, you would
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 21: have been a lot better off. I don't think every
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 21: lesson needs to be learned, put it that way.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 24: You know?
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 21: There are plenty I could have avoided and should have
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 21: avoided in my life.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: If you just had a darn timer.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 21: If I just had that darn timer, yeah.
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, so thank you once again to Emma and I
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: think we're done. I think we've timered this thing out.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: We've zeroed out on the timer.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 5: Again, we've talked about a movie longer than the movie.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: That's how we roll. Anything else for this week? Anything
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: to pass along to these people? Follow your heart, damn it.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: Not your digital watch. Right.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 13: All right.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 25: They even looked at each other once across a crowded bar.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 25: He was with Martha.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: She was with Donald.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 25: Neither of them really knew What was going on A
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 25: strange feeling of never Heartbeats becoming synchronized Staying that way
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 25: forever But most of the time It was just near Mrs.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 25: Atkinson's Once in a bookstore, once in a party She
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 25: came in as he was leaving And years ago at
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 25: the movies She sat behind him Six-thirty showing While you.
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 8: Were sleeping Never once looked around.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 24: It's so easy from above You can really.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 25: See it all People.
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 24: Who belong together Lost and sad and small But there's
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 24: nothing to be done for them It doesn't work that
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 24: way Sure, we all have soulmates But we walk past
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 24: them every day on earth.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 25: And it's not like they were ever actually unhappy in
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 25: the lives they lived. He married Martha, she married Tom.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 25: Just this vague notion that something was wrong.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 6: A naked absence.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 12: A phantom limb.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 24: A bitch that could never be scratched. It's so easy
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 24: from above, you can't really see it all. People who
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 24: belong together, lost and sad and small. But there's nothing
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 24: to be done for them, it doesn't work that way. Sure,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 24: we all have soul mates, but we won't pass them every.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: Day on them.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: Neither of them knew what was.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 24: Coming on A strange feeling of never Heartbeats becoming synchronized
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 24: Stay that way forever.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 22: Who knows whether that's how it should be Maybe I'll
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 22: go swim in that vacancy Maybe that's how books get
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 22: written Maybe that's why songs get sung.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 24: Maybe we are the unlucky ones It's so easy from
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 24: above You can't really see it all We all belong
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 24: together Lost and sad and small But there's nothing to
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 24: be done for them.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way Sure.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 24: We all have some makes But we won't pass them
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 24: every day on Maybe.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 13: That's how books get written Maybe.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 24: That's why songs get sung Maybe we all need a
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 24: lucky one Maybe that's how folks give in. Maybe that's
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 24: why songs get sung. Maybe we are the unlucky ones.
• 2:03:04
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• 2:03:08
  Speaker 19: Talk hard.