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Feminists call it 'precarious manhood' because they won't name what it is · Honey Badger Radio

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Speaker 1: Okay, good morning, good evening, good afternoon, where you may be,
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Speaker 1: and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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Speaker 1: I'm here with Alison. And this is maintaining frame feminists
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Speaker 1: call it precarious manhood because they won't name what it is.
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Speaker 1: Where we're going to be looking at this medium article
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Speaker 1: or blog, I guess. And it's sort of referencing a study.
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Speaker 2: Is that?
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Speaker 1: Is that right? Is it referencing the study the Maxiculinity
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Speaker 1: Threat in heterosexual Men, the Comprehensive meta analysis.
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Speaker 2: This is the meta analysis. There was the original study
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Speaker 2: that they did, but yes, it is referencing that because
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Speaker 2: they want to they want to point the finger at
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Speaker 2: precarious manhood, which is why influencers, male influencers are getting
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Speaker 2: men to shell out whole bunches of money for some
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Speaker 2: questionable stuff. Yeah and yeah, that's uh. They don't want
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Speaker 2: to actually recognize what it really is that's going on,
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Speaker 2: so they've just this individual Katie, Oh my god, gil
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Speaker 2: Nica jaguil Nica jagil Nica is uh. Is essentially asserting
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Speaker 2: that the reason why men are influenced by masculinity influencers
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Speaker 2: is because of precarious manhood. So just generic, ambivalent, ambiguous
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Speaker 2: masculinity threat. So men are just they want to maintain status, right,
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Speaker 2: they want to maintain a status, but for no no
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Speaker 2: apparent reason. So men just want to be seen as masculine.
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Speaker 2: They want to have status. They want to you know,
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Speaker 2: be able to purchase the Bugatti, they want to have
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Speaker 2: you know, sexy cheek bones, whatever else, whatever Clavicler did.
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Speaker 2: And they're doing it all because they want to rank
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Speaker 2: on the masculine scoreboard higher than other men. For no reason,
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Speaker 2: no reason, they're ranked, no reason none, Brian No, I
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Speaker 2: never do.
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Speaker 1: Anything for any reason as a man, I can confirm
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Speaker 1: there's no reason why men would try to max out
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Speaker 1: like their attractiveness. They're doing it for themselves, guys, they're not.
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Speaker 2: Even for themselves. They're doing it for their position on
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Speaker 2: the masculine scoreboard in the sky. Right, So it's all
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Speaker 2: about status threat and precarious manhood. We're not going to
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Speaker 2: look at what's actually happening, because if we were, we
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Speaker 2: might have to do the thing that nobody can do
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Speaker 2: except us. Apparently pearl and poly elms like that's it,
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Speaker 2: which is to potentially rub out on that that tab
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Speaker 2: of taboos, which is blaming women for something anything, all right. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Let's yeah, let's get into the medium article. So, okay,
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Speaker 1: this is by Kate. I'm just gonna say, Kate, and
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Speaker 1: it is entitled It's from the news sphere. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what that is. Oh is that like news men
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Speaker 1: are in an epidemic, just not the one you think.
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Speaker 1: The not so hidden engine behind male self optimization culture
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Speaker 1: by Katie all Right. Stephen Bartlett, host of the Diary
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Speaker 1: of a CEO podcast and wellness guru, recently confessed to
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Speaker 1: a guess that two glasses of wine had once ruined
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Speaker 1: three days of his life. He slept poorly, ate rubbish,
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Speaker 1: skipped the gym, and even podcasted worse his word not mine,
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Speaker 1: while his Whoop, a wearable health tracking device, informed him
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Speaker 1: that his dopamine and cortisol levels were quote all messed
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Speaker 1: up end quote. This relentless pursuit of a hyper optimized,
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Speaker 1: almost machine like self has become quite the fad online lately,
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Speaker 1: reaching far beyond Bartlett's own corner of the web and
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Speaker 1: its thirty million followers. Did you want to say anything
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Speaker 1: before I keep going? So I'm gonna keep going, all right?
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Speaker 1: M among oh I was.
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Speaker 2: I was struggling with the mute button.
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Speaker 1: Okay, there you go go ahead.
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Speaker 2: My problem isn't carves or wine. It's the mute button.
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Speaker 2: I okay. But you You've always had these people who
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Speaker 2: have been like, oh, the body is a temple high achievers. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: well not just high achievers, but like specifically that the
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Speaker 2: body is a temple. Like this individual's just discovered that
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Speaker 2: particular subculture that obsesses over everything they put in their
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Speaker 2: their stomach and do and everything. I guess that's been
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Speaker 2: an existence. I mean, there were fitness freaks in like
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Speaker 2: the seventies, right that I didn't I don't recall the
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Speaker 2: seventies very well because I was quite young, but I'm
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Speaker 2: pretty sure they were.
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Speaker 1: Don't look at me. I was quite young too, So
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Speaker 1: I was like five years old. Yeah, I mean in
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. In nineteen seventy nine, I was five.
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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, yeah, I was born in seventy three.
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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but look, yeah, go ahead.
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Speaker 2: But what I'm getting at is that like this is
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Speaker 2: this is not new. It's always been a thing. Like
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Speaker 2: there's always been people who have been ascetics about their
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Speaker 2: bodies and things that they consume. There've always been people
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Speaker 2: who've disavowed indulgences, like even before the seventies, there will
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Speaker 2: be hermits living in a hole eating juniper berries like
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Speaker 2: this is this is not new. So I'm just my
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Speaker 2: point overall point is I don't I Okay, she just
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Speaker 2: discovered this. She's just discovered that there are human beings
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Speaker 2: who are not like her and who pursue things that
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Speaker 2: she does not understand, and now she has to make
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Speaker 2: a grand narrative why they exist. Also, I'd like to
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Speaker 2: point out that there's a very dysfunctional and almost exclusively
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Speaker 2: well i'll pig me not now, a branch, female branch
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Speaker 2: of this. It's called anorexia and other eating disorders. Although
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Speaker 2: I will be I'll be honest that anorexics tend to
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Speaker 2: have actual depression, and they're better treated with with treatments
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Speaker 2: for depression. But regardless, maybe not the not the general population,
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Speaker 2: because they're dealing with mental health isshoe. But there are
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Speaker 2: women who are absolutely obsessed by what they eat. She
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Speaker 2: not noticed that, But I'm guessing we're not going to
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Speaker 2: discuss that that this is not just a male phenomenon.
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Speaker 2: There is a female half to this phenomenon. But of
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Speaker 2: course that isn't fragile femininity. It's only fragile masculinity when
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Speaker 2: men hold themselves to a standard.
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Speaker 1: Is it for? Are we talking fragile masculinity or precarious masculinity?
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Speaker 2: Precarious masculinity? Precarious masculinity which means that basically, manhood is
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Speaker 2: held to a set of expectations that aren't just personal
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Speaker 2: personal indulgence and quote unquote empowerment. So because men can
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Speaker 2: fail at the expectations that they're held to, manhood is
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Speaker 2: framed as precarious. And if I say it that way,
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Speaker 2: I think most guys are like. But that's the way
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Speaker 2: that it should be, right, I mean, if you're an adult,
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Speaker 2: if you're male adult, if you're a female adult, you
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Speaker 2: should be held to standards. It's more unfortunate that we
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Speaker 2: don't do the same to women. Yes, there should be
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Speaker 2: some precarious womanhood, like in some ways that you could
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Speaker 2: lose that, but there aren't. So anyway, that's what it means.
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Speaker 2: It means that men are held to a standard, which
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Speaker 2: is really ironic because it's not like feminism stops that.
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Speaker 2: But because men can not live up to the standard
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Speaker 2: they're held to, their manhood is regarded as precarious, which
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Speaker 2: means that they are responsible for all the bad things
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Speaker 2: that happened to them. I know it's a bit of
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Speaker 2: a stretch, but it works. You just have to you
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Speaker 2: just have to follow the logic. Well, no, it's there
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Speaker 2: is no logic. You have to follow the assertions and
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Speaker 2: also the biases and stereotypes, and then you'll get it.
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Speaker 2: Then you'll understand.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So I just want to say the Diary
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Speaker 1: of a CEO guy, which she's using as her example
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Speaker 1: to make like a broader claim about men in the abstract, specifically,
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Speaker 1: is like a wellness guy. So he's going to talk
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Speaker 1: about things from that perspective. He's not just some guy
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Speaker 1: who wants to be good, you know, like wants to
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Speaker 1: be in good shape or whatever, which I think most
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Speaker 1: people would like to be. He's specifically his job. Part
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Speaker 1: of it is wellness, which includes health, I mean, is
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Speaker 1: probably the majority of it. I know that wellness is
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Speaker 1: one of these you know, feminine terms that people talk
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Speaker 1: about where it's like about manifesting and crying into a
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Speaker 1: therapeutic pillow or something. But in this guy's case, it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, what do you put in your body? What
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Speaker 1: do you do at the gym? It's like the same
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Speaker 1: thing as like the Chris Williamson's of the world. He's
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Speaker 1: basically on par with him in terms of like what
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Speaker 1: kind of person he is. And I'm only saying that
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Speaker 1: because she's trying. She's about to make a claim. I'm
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Speaker 1: guessing I haven't watched i haven't read this yet, but
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Speaker 1: she's about to make a claim about all men by
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Speaker 1: cherry picking a couple of men and then trying to
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Speaker 1: connect those men with threads, because because they have this
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Speaker 1: one thing in common, they must have this other stuff
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Speaker 1: in common. Like I can already see the word clovicular
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Speaker 1: in the next paragraph, so I already know that she's
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Speaker 1: going to say clovicular is the same thing as Diary
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Speaker 1: of a CEO podcaster Stephen Bartlett, even though those guys
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Speaker 1: probably don't agree on much of anything, including by the way,
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Speaker 1: physical health. They but that doesn't matter because she has
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Speaker 1: an agenda, so let's find out what that is. And also,
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Speaker 1: it's funny calling it machine like this is another like
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Speaker 1: already planning the seeds of straw man. You know, I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure that Bartlett is not calling for that in
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Speaker 1: any way. But among the other popular influencers in this space,
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Speaker 1: there's also Brayden Peters, better known as Clovicular, the young
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Speaker 1: man who claims to have used bone smashing, hitting one
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Speaker 1: space with a hammer to look smax improve his appearance,
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Speaker 1: and has experimented with crystal meth to stay thin. Crystal methmaxing. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm aware of that. Then there's Brian Johnson, the former
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Speaker 1: tech entrepreneur who swaps blood with his teenage son in
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Speaker 1: a bid to reverse his biological age. And the guy
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Speaker 1: with the eighteen step morning routine that begins at four am,
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Speaker 1: and the one who follows an ancestral diet of raw
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Speaker 1: organs and testicles, and countless others willing to do extraordinary lengths,
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Speaker 1: willing to go to extraordinary lengths to achieve what they
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Speaker 1: consider physical and mental perfection. So I don't want to
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Speaker 1: know who this guy is. Hold on a second.
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Speaker 2: With the testicular guy, I think that's liver King.
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Speaker 1: I think that's the liver King. Yeah, okay, so and
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Speaker 1: the other guy is Ashton Hall. Here's Ashton Hall. This
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Speaker 1: is the guy she's talking about, the guy who has
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Speaker 1: this morning routine that he put online. Everyone made fun
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Speaker 1: of this stuff though when he was doing it. Like, so,
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Speaker 1: so let's look at who she's bringing up here for
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Speaker 1: her for her case. Okay, So first is Stephen Bartlett.
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Speaker 1: So you start off with and this is what they
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Speaker 1: always do. I don't know if you notice this with
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Speaker 1: their examples. They're trying to make like a broad claim.
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Speaker 1: They start with like an example that's very like moderate,
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Speaker 1: and then they step it up to something a little
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Speaker 1: bit more extreme, and then another extreme, and then they
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Speaker 1: connect it all together say look, these are all the same.
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Speaker 1: So basically, you know that guy Hall that I just
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Speaker 1: showed you footage of, he eats bull testicles too, because
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Speaker 1: they're all trying. He's also smashing his face with a hammer.
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Speaker 1: He's also micro Josie crystal meth. He also gets blood
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Speaker 1: transfusions from his son. This is how she's doing this.
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Speaker 1: This setup is so it's annoying because she's lying about
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Speaker 1: these people. Now, I think that the average person finds
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Speaker 1: Clavicular's approach strange, like and I want to say the average person,
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Speaker 1: I mean men. They find the idea of eating bull
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Speaker 1: testicles strange. That's why liver king is like named on.
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Speaker 1: They didn't like the Ashton Hall video. It got clowned everywhere.
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Speaker 1: People were doing parodies of it, especially men, right, And
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Speaker 1: they probably find the idea of getting blood from your
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Speaker 1: son aka Brian Johnson to be absolutely demonic and monstrous.
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Speaker 1: And that's all. That's probably not controversial at all to say.
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Speaker 1: But the author of this article wants you to know
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Speaker 1: that not only is that all normal for men, but
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Speaker 1: it's actually like the same thing. Like, you know, what
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Speaker 1: one guy doesn't do, he might as well do because
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Speaker 1: here's another guy who sort of like him. And I've
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Speaker 1: just decided in my own head cannon that they're basically
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Speaker 1: the same thing. Sough. Anyway, Alison, did you want to
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Speaker 1: say anything to any of that, or do I ever
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Speaker 1: just keep going?
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Speaker 2: I agree like she is going to find the weirdest
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Speaker 2: specimens and then say, look, look this is all men
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Speaker 2: or something, yeah, or this relates to the topic. No,
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Speaker 2: you just selected a bunch of very strange specimens specimens,
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Speaker 2: and you have not even made an attempt to say
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Speaker 2: that this is something. These the attitudes or the behaviors
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Speaker 2: that these individuals engage in in any way relate to
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Speaker 2: the attitudes and behaviors of all men. Okay, that that's ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that there are many men out there
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Speaker 2: who are deliberately crystal meth maxing no or eating testicles
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Speaker 2: or stealing teenage boys's blood. I think that this is
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Speaker 2: this is this is like a these are outliers there. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: well how much this is attention on the internet. How
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Speaker 2: much of this is eating tide pots.
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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't if you thought you can get a million
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Speaker 1: views by saying you're eating bull testicles, Why wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: say you're eating bild bull testicles if that's what you
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Speaker 1: want to do. I'm not saying he's not actually doing it,
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Speaker 1: but I haven't seen him actually do it, you know.
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Speaker 2: Also, that is a food item, prairie oysters, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: something that people eat without being masculinity influencers. So there's that. Also.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to point out that the progressives like Kellogg,
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Speaker 2: you know from Cornflakes. Yeah, he did all kinds of
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Speaker 2: crazy crap like this in order to improve his health.
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Speaker 2: This is not new. That's from like the eighteen hundreds
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Speaker 2: or the nineteen hundreds, that is not this stuff is
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Speaker 2: not new, like it's like this woman is like she's
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Speaker 2: she's she walks in and she says, Wow, I notice
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Speaker 2: these people existed, therefore have discovered them. Nope, people like
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Speaker 2: this have always existed and they have They are not
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Speaker 2: just men. I'm sure we could find some crazy ass
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Speaker 2: women doing crazy.
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Speaker 1: They're just putting on They're just putting on regular old
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Speaker 1: face moisturizer made from the baby foreskins. That's not weird
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Speaker 1: at all.
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Speaker 2: Or they're they're injecting their lips with.
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Speaker 1: With bbls and hair weeds. Yeah, I mean there's a
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Speaker 1: number of things that they lifts.
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Speaker 2: Those things are actually really dangerous.
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Speaker 1: The Brazilian but I've heard, are we.
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Speaker 2: Really going to do a face off between men's weird
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Speaker 2: vanity behaviors and women's weird vanity behaviors? Because I don't
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Speaker 2: feel that this is a fair comparison right here. What
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Speaker 2: you found the craziest male influences doing the craziest things,
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Speaker 2: and then you did not compare them to the craziest
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Speaker 2: women doing the craziest things to get attention to pursue vanity.
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Speaker 2: Because let me tell you there. There are a lot
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Speaker 2: of extreme female behaviors when it comes to pursuing vanity, right,
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Speaker 2: And you know, we had a couple there injecting botox
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Speaker 2: into your lips, uh, injecting fat into your butt, which, incidentally,
20:29
Speaker 2: because you have a whole bunch of big veins there,
20:32
Speaker 2: often they accidentally just injected right into your blood streaming
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Speaker 2: and you die. So, I don't know, lady, maybe we
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Speaker 2: should make this comparison fair. Let's bring in the female specimens,
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Speaker 2: the female freak show. Yeah, like you see, you see
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Speaker 2: how it's completely admitted. Like, No, we don't need to
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Speaker 2: look at the female half. We don't need to look
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Speaker 2: at the female vanity industry. That's not precarious femininity. No,
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Speaker 2: that's the beauty industry forcing itself on women.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's patriarchy.
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Speaker 2: Women are victims of that. It's patriarchy. It's men, even
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Speaker 2: though men don't really want that. I'm pretty sure that
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Speaker 2: a man would be fine if you didn't have a
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Speaker 2: body count in the dozens and just look normal and
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Speaker 2: not obese.
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Speaker 1: That's it, yep.
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Speaker 2: I mean, as long as he's also an average dude
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Speaker 2: like or that. That's not what they're complaining about. So
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Speaker 2: I don't know. And then the other thing is that
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Speaker 2: women will say that men make us do it, but
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Speaker 2: we don't do it for men, which is it? Sister? Okay,
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Speaker 2: all right, shall we read a bit more? So?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna read some more.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the eighteen sep morning routine that was the black Eye.
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Speaker 1: I already read that part. But whether it's loosmaxing, biohacking, longevity,
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Speaker 1: ancestral living, or any other flavor of self optimization, it's
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Speaker 1: impossible not to notice that most of it's created by
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Speaker 1: and conspicuously marketed to men and boys. Now, well, I
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Speaker 1: don't know why is this alarming? Like, why is that
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Speaker 1: it's interesting that this bothers you so much when women
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Speaker 1: have been doing this forever. It only bothers me because
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Speaker 1: I don't think men need to do this stuff. And
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Speaker 1: I've seen the kind of stuff that young guys especially
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Speaker 1: are doing to themselves because they're trying to look smacks
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Speaker 1: or be attractive to women. I think most of it
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Speaker 1: is because they want to be attractive to women, and
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Speaker 1: they're like getting on all kinds of drugs, like like pds,
22:38
Speaker 1: you know, like steroids, gear that kind of thing, performance
22:42
Speaker 1: enhancers and they're doing it very young. I've seen some
22:46
Speaker 1: pretty like brutal pictures of like you know, sixteen, seventeen,
22:51
Speaker 1: eighteen year old boys and they're like totally shredded. But
22:55
Speaker 1: you can tell it's because they're doing a bunch of
22:58
Speaker 1: pds and and they have like acne all over their
23:02
Speaker 1: back and chest because that's like a side effect and
23:05
Speaker 1: they're going to have heart problems and stuff. And I
23:08
Speaker 1: don't like that because I I but not because I
23:11
Speaker 1: think that it's fragile masculinity or anything like that. I
23:13
Speaker 1: think that these guys are trying to they're trying to
23:17
Speaker 1: adapt to the dating market. Basically, they're trying to compete.
23:23
Speaker 1: They want to find somebody they and maybe they bought
23:26
Speaker 1: into some of the stuff that women have said online
23:28
Speaker 1: about the six pack, and so they well I'm gonna
23:30
Speaker 1: get that, you know, and they're like really young, I mean,
23:33
Speaker 1: what do they know. Anyway, I got a super chow
23:35
Speaker 1: for twenty five dollars from a anonymous account, thank you
23:39
Speaker 1: whoever that was. So, you know, I think that men
23:43
Speaker 1: should be doing stuff for themselves, like it's good to
23:46
Speaker 1: just be healthy for its own sake, not because it
23:50
Speaker 1: might attract a woman. Or anything like that. Just just
23:53
Speaker 1: you know, take care of yourself. That's all I would
23:55
Speaker 1: say about that. But two, for men who are just
24:00
Speaker 1: taking care of themselves, this one wants to pathologize them too.
24:04
Speaker 1: And she doesn't recognize that that women's existing is actually
24:10
Speaker 1: a major influence on men's behavior. I mean, it shouldn't
24:14
Speaker 1: be that way, but it is that way, you know.
24:16
Speaker 2: So anyway, let me let me, let me get in
24:25
Speaker 2: here for a sec One. No, she doesn't acknowledge at
24:28
Speaker 2: all the influence of women's behavior of men. Uh, why
24:33
Speaker 2: is it that men are suddenly engaging in these extreme behaviors? Well,
24:38
Speaker 2: because something has changed. But but the but the other
24:42
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to point out is that I don't
24:44
Speaker 2: think you'll get away from men wanting to be attractive
24:47
Speaker 2: to women as long as we are a bye, I'm
24:52
Speaker 2: gonna say bisexual species. But that does not mean bisexuality
24:56
Speaker 2: is in the orientation. It means that you need two
24:59
Speaker 2: sexes to re produce. Yeah, so it's almost like it's
25:03
Speaker 2: just a given that one set both sexes will want
25:05
Speaker 2: to be attractive to the other. Although I guess in
25:09
Speaker 2: this era women have decided that being attractive to men
25:12
Speaker 2: outside of those gross And uh, I mean by gross
25:17
Speaker 2: is like coarse and unrefined or unsubtle ways. Yeah, yeah, well,
25:25
Speaker 2: I mean, like my continuous complaint about Hannah Cox is
25:29
Speaker 2: that she injects both. Yeah, she injects botox in her lips,
25:32
Speaker 2: but cannot ever extend herself to understand the male point
25:37
Speaker 2: of view. I don't want to say ever, because maybe
25:39
Speaker 2: she did at one point, but it's like, you can't.
25:41
Speaker 2: So you are going to manipulate men through your sexual attractiveness,
25:47
Speaker 2: but you won't make the effort to understand them. You
25:50
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. It's that's what I mean by
25:54
Speaker 2: crass and coarse unless subtle or evolved, she always say,
26:02
Speaker 2: And so women will do that, but you're not going
26:05
Speaker 2: to get away from a situation where men and women
26:07
Speaker 2: don't want to be attractive to the opposite sex. And
26:10
Speaker 2: I think that to expect men to attain a level
26:14
Speaker 2: of Buddha hood where they're like, yeah, I don't care
26:18
Speaker 2: about being attractive to women is a bit much, I think,
26:22
Speaker 2: probably more attainable, or it's putting a lot on men,
26:26
Speaker 2: especially since if men could easily attain that, we wouldn't exist.
26:31
Speaker 2: Like that's literally the evolutionary kill switch, right, It's like
26:36
Speaker 2: you hit that and the human race extinguishes like a
26:39
Speaker 2: freaking I don't know, a fart or a candle in
26:41
Speaker 2: a wind. Because so, men are not supposed to be
26:45
Speaker 2: able to easily achieve the ability to just completely ignore
26:50
Speaker 2: being attractive to women, because that means as collectively, if
26:54
Speaker 2: you had evolved that trait, most likely it would have
26:57
Speaker 2: been an extinction level event. So I think that sort
27:00
Speaker 2: of unfair to expect men to attain that level. However,
27:04
Speaker 2: at the same time, I do think it's reasonable for
27:09
Speaker 2: men to want to invest in a system that doesn't
27:12
Speaker 2: actively undermine their mate value at every potential opportunity. See
27:17
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, it's like why And I
27:23
Speaker 2: was actually working on this, like because I'm doing I'm
27:27
Speaker 2: doing research into how to describe I'm doing research into
27:32
Speaker 2: the psychology of men in masculinities field. And don't be
27:36
Speaker 2: don't be deceived by the name guys. It is not
27:40
Speaker 2: anything to do with psychology, anything to do with men,
27:44
Speaker 2: or anything to do with masculinity. It is basically the
27:48
Speaker 2: feminist feminist scale of snidely whiplash. So the feminists have
27:57
Speaker 2: constructed a scale based on their own ideology that what
28:03
Speaker 2: men are. And then they score men, of course, according
28:08
Speaker 2: to how men appear to them in feminist conjecture, and
28:12
Speaker 2: that is essentially the entire field. In a nutshell, it's
28:17
Speaker 2: how much you resemble snidely Whiplash. Actually snidely whiplashes he's
28:21
Speaker 2: a little bit too of a he's still too sympathetic.
28:27
Speaker 2: Like if you combine Hitler, Satan and I don't know,
28:32
Speaker 2: the guy from Lolita into one man. That is the
28:36
Speaker 2: feminist scale of manhood. And they will take the'll apply
28:39
Speaker 2: it to men and they'll say, well, you totally reject this. Men,
28:44
Speaker 2: But because you haven't entirely reject this, and you know,
28:48
Speaker 2: like to the point where you've just annihilated the entire
28:53
Speaker 2: study itself, we are going to make We're going to
28:56
Speaker 2: say that you still score on it. So just scoring
28:58
Speaker 2: on this stupid scale means that you're bad. That's how
29:03
Speaker 2: stupid this entire freaking Okay, I'm sorry, I'm going a
29:07
Speaker 2: bit of a tangent, but my overall point is these
29:10
Speaker 2: are the people who have defined manhood for the last
29:13
Speaker 2: three generations. They've defined it in a way that is
29:16
Speaker 2: pathological and psychotic, and only in terms of its negative qualities.
29:23
Speaker 2: And they've done a lot of fraud and malice in
29:26
Speaker 2: order to do so, and they are highly influential. Let
29:30
Speaker 2: me tell you, the World Bank bases its funding choices
29:35
Speaker 2: on their well, a derivative of their scale. It's called
29:40
Speaker 2: the conformity of Masculine norms index, or alternatively them all
29:44
Speaker 2: of the masculine gender stress indexes. Right, And they have
29:51
Speaker 2: defined and they've they've not just gotten the World Bank right,
29:55
Speaker 2: they also have the associate the the American Psychology Sociation.
30:00
Speaker 2: They have influenced there. They're they were the ones who
30:04
Speaker 2: were consulted for how to treat men and boys when
30:07
Speaker 2: they have mental health issues. People who are so convinced
30:10
Speaker 2: that men are evil, they actually just they have a
30:15
Speaker 2: freaking scale of how evil are you? And when men say, actually,
30:19
Speaker 2: I don't really like any of these things on your scale,
30:23
Speaker 2: they reject the scale. They don't reject, they don't say, well, actually,
30:27
Speaker 2: the skill doesn't seem to be doesn't seem to be
30:29
Speaker 2: describing men. They just do a whole bunch of chicanery
30:33
Speaker 2: to pretend like it is. It's unbelievable anyway. So these individuals,
30:38
Speaker 2: they're like the freaking hidden death star of darths femicists, right,
30:46
Speaker 2: And they're constantly destroying, influencing things to destroy men's men's
30:52
Speaker 2: own perception of their self worth and everybody else's perception
30:56
Speaker 2: is the worth of masculinity in men. So we're now
30:58
Speaker 2: in a society that's acting undermining men's worth as mates,
31:02
Speaker 2: mate value. And before anybody's like oh, like, the feminists
31:06
Speaker 2: are like, oh, you just want to go back to
31:08
Speaker 2: the period of time when women were forced to choose
31:11
Speaker 2: men because they had to uh, they could, they had
31:15
Speaker 2: to survive economically. No, first of all, there was there
31:20
Speaker 2: was that was an artificial period of time where the
31:24
Speaker 2: vast like even a majority of women could just stay
31:26
Speaker 2: at home, right, And that was a construct of advertising.
31:32
Speaker 2: The househore who doesn't actually contribute financially or in any
31:39
Speaker 2: like because she has everything is automated. She doesn't really
31:42
Speaker 2: contribute in terms of the domestic tasks either. She's just
31:46
Speaker 2: sitting there being paid for. And then feminists looked at
31:50
Speaker 2: that and said, you are you're you're enslaving us by
31:54
Speaker 2: paying for our leisure and lifestyle, right, And we were
31:58
Speaker 2: forced to because we couldn't take care of ourselves. That's bullshit.
32:01
Speaker 2: Women have taken care of the home forever, They've always
32:06
Speaker 2: contributed financially. There was just one period in time and
32:09
Speaker 2: history where it was prosperous, prosperous enough that women didn't
32:13
Speaker 2: have to and they stopped and then never forgave men
32:17
Speaker 2: over it. Although I will admit the losing their minds
32:21
Speaker 2: over losing their jobs makes them somewhat sympathetic to me. Regardless,
32:26
Speaker 2: they'll look back at that and say, well, you just
32:29
Speaker 2: want to put women back in the back in the cage,
32:32
Speaker 2: back dependent on you, back dependent on your money, when
32:35
Speaker 2: that is just one period, Like there's just like twenty
32:38
Speaker 2: years where that could possibly have happened for the human race, right,
32:42
Speaker 2: just twenty years. And men will never live that down.
32:45
Speaker 2: You will never live that you created so much prosperity
32:49
Speaker 2: that women can have absolute leisure. You'll never live that down. Guys,
32:53
Speaker 2: you enslaved them. You'll never You'll never they'll never forgive
32:57
Speaker 2: you for it anyway. They'll point to that. But that's
33:00
Speaker 2: not when I'm talking about. I'm saying that men have
33:05
Speaker 2: a right to not have to invest in a society
33:10
Speaker 2: that's active, actively undermining them as partners, as sexual partners
33:17
Speaker 2: for women and reproductive partners and relationship partners. You know,
33:21
Speaker 2: but why would men invest in a society that actively
33:24
Speaker 2: undermines them? Right? I mean could we like even a
33:29
Speaker 2: neutral society would be better. And I think what we
33:33
Speaker 2: were operating off before all of this was simply a
33:37
Speaker 2: society that made men's love legible to women, so that
33:42
Speaker 2: women understood where they were coming from and could understand
33:45
Speaker 2: how men express love and connection and loyalty and affection
33:51
Speaker 2: and appreciate it. So they were investing in a society
33:54
Speaker 2: that made them legible to women, not forced women to
33:58
Speaker 2: love them, just made them legend. And now we're in
34:01
Speaker 2: a society that has completely fucked that social contract construct
34:07
Speaker 2: and everywhere it can, it's making men out to be demonic,
34:14
Speaker 2: and then women are like, well, I don't want to
34:15
Speaker 2: marry a demon, Like, if I'm going to be oppressed,
34:18
Speaker 2: I might as well be oppressed by Christian Gray, not
34:20
Speaker 2: Joe the Plumber. Right, That's where the ridiculous hypergamy is
34:25
Speaker 2: coming from. That these guys are responding to the masculinity influencers.
34:30
Speaker 2: They're responding to it, although it's actually pretty hilarious because
34:34
Speaker 2: they'll be out like they'll say, yeah, women's standards are ridiculous,
34:39
Speaker 2: they're just insane. By my course, ten installments of six
34:45
Speaker 2: ninety nine, and you will be able to live up
34:48
Speaker 2: to the ridiculous and insane standards of women. It's like,
34:53
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I'd sort of agree with her.
34:56
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's an interesting approach. That's uh. I don't
35:01
Speaker 2: know if I think that that's that's exactly what we
35:04
Speaker 2: need right now. I honestly think we need to have
35:08
Speaker 2: these institutions stop undermining men at every available opportunity, and
35:13
Speaker 2: then we can just see if things just improve. Right, Like,
35:19
Speaker 2: we stop poisoning the relationship between men and women, see
35:22
Speaker 2: if it grows back a bit. Stop saying that men
35:28
Speaker 2: oppress women. Maybe women will stop this situation where they think, well,
35:33
Speaker 2: if I'm going to be repressed regardless, then the only
35:36
Speaker 2: thing I've got to optimize for is being oppressed by
35:39
Speaker 2: the best man I can get. Like, here's the thing.
35:42
Speaker 2: If you say that the relationship between men and women
35:45
Speaker 2: is oppression, then the only men who are going to
35:50
Speaker 2: make a woman say yes to that are the top
35:54
Speaker 2: twenty five percent. Think about it, No woman's gonna say yes.
35:59
Speaker 2: I'll be ap press by. You know, Joe average, she's
36:05
Speaker 2: gonna be oppressed. She'd better be oppressed by the best.
36:08
Speaker 2: That's what's constructing this entire insanity of hypergamy, which has
36:13
Speaker 2: only existed here and possibly in harm cultures. But we
36:17
Speaker 2: want to talk about that. Yeah, it's and it hasn't
36:19
Speaker 2: been like this. It wasn't like this thirty years ago. Right, Yeah,
36:26
Speaker 2: it wasn't that bad. Trust me on this, guys. I mean,
36:29
Speaker 2: I am a woman, so maybe I didn't really understand
36:32
Speaker 2: how it was going. But at least when I looked
36:35
Speaker 2: around me, I saw people pairing up and getting into relationships.
36:41
Speaker 2: This is really bad. And of course this woman will
36:46
Speaker 2: never allow us to even skirt why it's gotten so bad.
36:51
Speaker 2: All right, let's continue, all right.
36:55
Speaker 1: In theory, there should be nothing alarming about men's desire
36:58
Speaker 1: to improve their appearance, get healthier, or become more disciplined.
37:03
Speaker 1: So or here we go. Hear's them saying, well, you know, technically,
37:07
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with this. But in practice, though, these
37:13
Speaker 1: pursuits rarely exist in a vacuum. Even if you were
37:17
Speaker 1: to strip male self optimization culture of its more extreme
37:21
Speaker 1: and bizarre practices, all the blood swapping and testical eating
37:25
Speaker 1: and whatnot. It remains esthetically, ideologically and even linguistically closely
37:31
Speaker 1: connected to the Manosphere, the online network of male centered
37:35
Speaker 1: communities promoting rigid gender roles and anti feminist, misogynistic beliefs.
37:41
Speaker 1: So there you go, there is the delivery method. Okay,
37:48
Speaker 1: the manosphere did this? Okay, fine, So this is rich
37:55
Speaker 1: coming from This is rich coming from a woman who
37:58
Speaker 1: cites a bunch of.
38:04
Speaker 2: Studies I don't even want to call them studies that
38:08
Speaker 2: basically amount to shaming men for having anxieties over anything. Yes, like,
38:14
Speaker 2: you got to realize where this like she is. Just
38:17
Speaker 2: imagine her in like some black cape with a cap
38:21
Speaker 2: at top of a pulpit, saying scum like what that's
38:32
Speaker 2: that's because that's where she's calling from. She's coming from
38:35
Speaker 2: a position where they have utterly defined men's mate value
38:40
Speaker 2: everywhere you could define it, like they've captured the entire thing.
38:46
Speaker 2: They control it wherever you wherever there's any kind of
38:50
Speaker 2: centralizing resource describing how men are, and do the the studies,
38:57
Speaker 2: the people involved in the studies that she cites, and
39:00
Speaker 2: the movement that she's part of, they're there to poison
39:03
Speaker 2: the well when it comes to men, they have a
39:07
Speaker 2: tremous okay on the legal definition, they have tremendous amounts
39:12
Speaker 2: of malice towards men, and they use every believer and
39:16
Speaker 2: every crack and every committee and every possible pulpit to
39:22
Speaker 2: spew their malice against men to reframe men not as
39:28
Speaker 2: you know, husbands and fathers and providers and protectors, but
39:32
Speaker 2: as dominators of pressers, rapists and beaters. Like this, they're
39:38
Speaker 2: doing it everywhere, and it's saturating everything. It's leaked into
39:42
Speaker 2: the ground water. And again, it's why the dating market
39:47
Speaker 2: is so distorted, so disrupted, so screwed up. And the
39:54
Speaker 2: funny thing is that they will term I'll just look
39:58
Speaker 2: at that this like zoological perspective. If you have a
40:03
Speaker 2: female mammal that isn't reproducing, something is fricking wrong. Right.
40:07
Speaker 2: If she has abundance, she has access to mates, she's
40:10
Speaker 2: got safety, security, whatever, and she's not reproducing, something is wrong.
40:15
Speaker 2: And these people look at that and say it's empowerment
40:19
Speaker 2: because they're trying to hide just how much destruction they've
40:24
Speaker 2: caused to us, to men and to women and to
40:27
Speaker 2: relationship between the two. And it's unbelievable because It's like
40:34
Speaker 2: nothing in the manosphere compares to this. I don't see
40:39
Speaker 2: the manosphere publishing studies on how femininity is the source
40:46
Speaker 2: of all evil. And maybe there are a few say
40:49
Speaker 2: that women can be evil or that they are a
40:53
Speaker 2: moral is actually more the approach that I think they take,
40:57
Speaker 2: that they do whatever men sort of lead them into.
41:00
Speaker 2: But regardless, they don't have this kind they don't have
41:02
Speaker 2: this kind of cloud. I don't even think they have
41:04
Speaker 2: this level of animosity towards women. Most of the times
41:09
Speaker 2: when they're saying something, it's like, oh, women are really frustrating. Well,
41:12
Speaker 2: I get, what can you do. Let's try to figure
41:14
Speaker 2: out how to appeal to them, right, I mean, you
41:17
Speaker 2: can't have that much animosity to something that you ultimately
41:20
Speaker 2: want in your life, right, that's your goal. But these
41:28
Speaker 2: these individuals, I don't know if they're destroying their own relationships.
41:33
Speaker 2: I think we've we've looked at whether or not the
41:35
Speaker 2: people who say this stuff actually practice it. But they
41:38
Speaker 2: sure as hell want to destroy everybody else's. And that's
41:44
Speaker 2: the funny thing. The mamosphere is simply reacting to what
41:48
Speaker 2: feminism has done to the dating landscape. Because when you
41:52
Speaker 2: teach generations of girls that heterosexual reality is the site
41:55
Speaker 2: of oppression. Then the only reason why you would consent
42:00
Speaker 2: to a relationship with a man is if he's on
42:03
Speaker 2: the very top of the ziggarat, Like, why would you, like, seriously,
42:07
Speaker 2: if you're okay, why would you want to be a
42:09
Speaker 2: slave to Joe the plumber? Right? If you're going to
42:14
Speaker 2: be a slave, that's what they're saying to women, you
42:16
Speaker 2: bet them all better be a slave to the emperor. Right,
42:19
Speaker 2: nobody's good, nobody's No man is going to live up
42:22
Speaker 2: to that. Because now the bar that men have to
42:26
Speaker 2: have to get over isn't hey, is he a good dude?
42:29
Speaker 2: Does he show up? Do I find him attractive? Right?
42:33
Speaker 2: Will he help me take care of the kids? Will
42:36
Speaker 2: he provide that kind of thing? Now, the bar that
42:39
Speaker 2: men have to get over is will he make turning
42:43
Speaker 2: me into a slave worth my while? Yeah? No, men
42:48
Speaker 2: are very few men are going to get over that bar? Right? Well,
42:51
Speaker 2: will he make being oppressed as a woman? I mean,
42:55
Speaker 2: can he make up for that? What kind of man
42:57
Speaker 2: can make up for the fact that if I, if
43:00
Speaker 2: if I have sex with him, if I'm in a relationship,
43:01
Speaker 2: he's oppressing me. What kind of man can make up
43:04
Speaker 2: for my oppression. Well, obviously only the top five percent
43:09
Speaker 2: two percent point one percent could possibly make up for that,
43:15
Speaker 2: and feminists injected that into everything, and the dating market
43:21
Speaker 2: has responded, Hey, I'm probably gonna have to shill because
43:26
Speaker 2: I do need you guys to finish this fundraiser off
43:29
Speaker 2: so we can continue to do this work. I can
43:32
Speaker 2: continue to yell at you three times a week. Yeah,
43:35
Speaker 2: all right, Hey Brian, you want to do some more?
43:38
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, I thought I thought you were in a shill. Okay, No,
43:43
Speaker 1: it's okay, I'll just I'll just read. That's okay, I'll read. So. Yeah,
43:47
Speaker 1: so it's the manisphere. We've landed on the manisphere. They
43:50
Speaker 1: are ultimately the reason why men go to the gym, apparently.
43:54
Speaker 1: Bartlett's Diary of a CEO, for example, has on several
43:58
Speaker 1: occasions hosted guests who have suggested that society should put
44:03
Speaker 1: systems in place to ensure lonely men have partners, or
44:07
Speaker 1: that anti family women are responsible for declining birth rates.
44:12
Speaker 1: Oh no, the humanity. Meanwhile, luksmaxing and other terms ending
44:18
Speaker 1: in maxing have directly originated on in cell involuntarily celibate
44:23
Speaker 1: forums the most misogynistic and extremist corners of the Manisphere.
44:30
Speaker 1: So there there, Now we have to Now we just
44:33
Speaker 1: have to connect the threads to find ways to demonize
44:38
Speaker 1: Bartlett Diary of the CEO by saying, well, he's basically
44:43
Speaker 1: manisphere why because he had on somebody I don't know who.
44:46
Speaker 1: Let's find out. I'm just gonna look and see who
44:49
Speaker 1: they're talking about. Did the Siri Diary of the CEO
44:54
Speaker 1: take the red Pill? And this is from the cut,
44:57
Speaker 1: and of course it is behind a paywall, so I'm
45:02
Speaker 1: going to archive it because I am smart and I
45:07
Speaker 1: know how to get around these things. Okay, this is
45:12
Speaker 1: from January of twenty twenty six, so it's kind of old.
45:17
Speaker 1: Did the Diary of a CEO take the red pill?
45:21
Speaker 1: Stephen Bartlett? I doubt it. He's basically a male feminist
45:26
Speaker 1: for the most part. So I'm just gonna like quickly,
45:31
Speaker 1: like sort of go through this really quick. Okay, So
45:34
Speaker 1: he had a oh yeah, Chris Williamson on his show.
45:38
Speaker 1: I guess that's the reason I didn't know that Chris
45:41
Speaker 1: Williamson was on Love Island. I mean I didn't watch that,
45:46
Speaker 1: so no whatever. But yeah, so I guess because he
45:49
Speaker 1: had Chris Williamson on, and Chris Williamson has on on
45:52
Speaker 1: some people who have been critical of the feminist movement.
45:56
Speaker 1: Basically that was it, I mean, as far as I know.
45:58
Speaker 1: But Chris Williamson's always been very careful not to piss off, like,
46:05
Speaker 1: you know, the people that run the narrative essentially, and
46:09
Speaker 1: it hasn't done him any good because he's still going
46:11
Speaker 1: to get associated with these people anyway. So you know,
46:15
Speaker 1: there's no reason to conceal your intentions. Just come on out,
46:20
Speaker 1: come on out of the dark and come forward and
46:24
Speaker 1: just say, look, I care about men, because that was
46:26
Speaker 1: all it is. Chris Williamson comes from a position of
46:28
Speaker 1: caring about men in like a you know, a normy way,
46:32
Speaker 1: like how do I do that without upsetting women? Which
46:35
Speaker 1: is impossible, but that's his approach. So we're talking about
46:39
Speaker 1: guys that are generally sympathetic to feminist world views Bartlett
46:44
Speaker 1: and Chris Williamson. I would bet you Brian Johnson is
46:51
Speaker 1: also a big feminist guy. Even Liver Kaying is probably
46:56
Speaker 1: pretty big feminist guy. I'm willing to bet that they
46:59
Speaker 1: are not as non feminist as we are, at least
47:03
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter in cells, Like I'm sure that
47:08
Speaker 1: the overhallming majority of in cells are themselves also male
47:11
Speaker 1: feminists because they are in the they're frustrated at their position,
47:18
Speaker 1: mainly because they're trying to gain the favor of women
47:21
Speaker 1: and it's not working out for them, and they they
47:24
Speaker 1: have bought into the lies about them that feminism tells
47:27
Speaker 1: them about their nature. So as a result of that,
47:30
Speaker 1: they're going to become embittered and they may want to
47:34
Speaker 1: try direct their anger towards, you know, men who are
47:37
Speaker 1: out competing them on the on the dating market. But
47:40
Speaker 1: it's not really the fault of those men either, So anyway,
47:49
Speaker 1: all right.
47:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not like, honestly, I don't know why
47:55
Speaker 2: people don't. Maybe I do know, but it seems really
47:59
Speaker 2: obvious to me that if you poison the relationship between
48:03
Speaker 2: men and women with the kind of crap that feminism
48:06
Speaker 2: spouts off about. And the funny thing is that people
48:10
Speaker 2: who won't say booed if feminists will refuse to make
48:15
Speaker 2: this connection. And I wonder if the two are connected actually,
48:19
Speaker 2: But it's like, yeah, if you tell women that heterosexuality
48:23
Speaker 2: is oppression, and there's like most women believe a good
48:29
Speaker 2: portion of feminist nonsense right now, because it's what they've
48:33
Speaker 2: been raised in. And what do you think the reasonable
48:37
Speaker 2: response to that is? Is it to be to continue
48:41
Speaker 2: to want to be in a relationship with the average man. No,
48:44
Speaker 2: the rational response is to say, well, if I'm going
48:48
Speaker 2: to be oppressed anyway, I better get the best bang
48:51
Speaker 2: out of my buck, right, then bang for my buck.
48:55
Speaker 2: And the best bang for my buck is not Joe
48:57
Speaker 2: the Plumber, it is Christian Gray, right. And and of course,
49:02
Speaker 2: the the target keeps going up and up and up.
49:05
Speaker 2: The more the feminists, the worse the feminist rhetoric gets
49:09
Speaker 2: gets the tiger the target goes. And it is a
49:12
Speaker 2: purely rational response by women. And no hype. This level
49:16
Speaker 2: of hypergamy is insane, okay, And it is actually a
49:21
Speaker 2: rational response by women. If you tell women, oh, well,
49:25
Speaker 2: you get in a relationship with the man, you're gonna
49:27
Speaker 2: be dominated and impressed, and you're gonna be you're gonna
49:29
Speaker 2: lose out. You're basically gonna be a slave. You know.
49:32
Speaker 2: That's that If that's your situation, if you're in Rome,
49:35
Speaker 2: in the slave market, then all you can really hope
49:38
Speaker 2: for or aim for is to be the slave of
49:41
Speaker 2: the emperor. Not not the slave of like the sewer worker, No,
49:48
Speaker 2: the guy who slings boxes down at the dock and
49:52
Speaker 2: that that actually happened though, you know. But but yeah,
49:55
Speaker 2: it's like, you just maximize your oppression position. Until we
50:00
Speaker 2: stop saying this to women, we're going to inherit all
50:03
Speaker 2: the corruption, the problems of saying it to women. It's
50:07
Speaker 2: just it's just reality. And like I mean, it's just
50:15
Speaker 2: like you can't expect people who are being told this,
50:18
Speaker 2: women who are being told this, especially since the average
50:21
Speaker 2: person doesn't really question that much as far as I
50:23
Speaker 2: can tell, you just can't expect them to choose men
50:28
Speaker 2: under these circumstances. And that is probably the most depressing
50:32
Speaker 2: thing I could tell you. Guys. I'm really sorry. I
50:38
Speaker 2: actually really don't like saying it, But this is what
50:43
Speaker 2: I see when I analyze things. I can see the
50:47
Speaker 2: connection between telling women that heterosexuality is the side of
50:50
Speaker 2: oppression with their wholesale dismissal of the average man, and
50:56
Speaker 2: aiming for a man that's going to make that depression
50:58
Speaker 2: worth their while. Like, can I see the connection here?
51:03
Speaker 2: And I see that the only solution is to somehow
51:07
Speaker 2: lessen the influence of the people who write things like
51:11
Speaker 2: Precarious Manhood, which essentially is that that we're gonna get
51:15
Speaker 2: to the precarious manhood stuff, right. That precarious manhood stuff
51:20
Speaker 2: is essentially shaming men for having anxiety over the fact
51:25
Speaker 2: that they're judged for not being manly enough m hm.
51:29
Speaker 2: And it's it's it's incredibly not just shaming men but
51:33
Speaker 2: making them out to be some kind of villains because
51:35
Speaker 2: they have anxiety over whether or not other people see
51:40
Speaker 2: them as men, or whether or not they feel like
51:42
Speaker 2: they live up to a standard, which incidentally is just
51:46
Speaker 2: the way the operative mind works. You live, you want
51:51
Speaker 2: to live up to an external standard. You set an
51:53
Speaker 2: external standard for yourself, and you try to live up
51:56
Speaker 2: to it, and you judge yourself based on whether or
51:58
Speaker 2: not you live up to that. That is literally like
52:01
Speaker 2: the substrate of how operative minds work in the world.
52:06
Speaker 2: So basically, what they've said is that the way that
52:10
Speaker 2: men think is an abomination and they should be ashamed
52:14
Speaker 2: of it. And if they if they can't handle both
52:18
Speaker 2: holding themselves to an external standard and not caring if
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Speaker 2: they fail, then they deserve everything that befalls them. It's
52:26
Speaker 2: it is. We gotta somehow reduce their influence. I have
52:29
Speaker 2: ideas of how to reduce their influence. By the way, guys,
52:33
Speaker 2: I'm doing, I'm trying to do my part. Well, I mean,
52:36
Speaker 2: I guess you know this. This podcast is part of that,
52:39
Speaker 2: so I might as well do a shill, all right.
52:42
Speaker 2: I do want to thank I want to thank HENSI.
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Speaker 2: You put in fifty dollars. Thank you, Hensy, And that
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Speaker 2: which is not too bad. Like I think there's about
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Speaker 2: eighty ninety of you here. So if let's see, math
53:02
Speaker 2: is not my strong suit when I'm wandering around thinking
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Speaker 2: got to somehow reduce the power of these people to
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Speaker 2: define what men are because they are lying. They are liar, liars,
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Speaker 2: pants on fires, all of them, all of the entire
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Speaker 2: freaking field. And they know it. I'm pretty sure they
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Speaker 2: know it because they had that like the thing is
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Speaker 2: in field, the field that she's gonna They have the
54:02
Speaker 2: option to go with a scale that was positive. It's
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Speaker 2: called the b s r I these bsrr brs I.
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Speaker 2: It is a scale of actual positive masculine traits. And
54:18
Speaker 2: get this, it actually has scientific validity compared to the
54:23
Speaker 2: uh the informity to masculine norms, which has none.
54:29
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the.
54:30
Speaker 2: Positive scale actually shows to have predictive value. The the
54:34
Speaker 2: the men are evil scale shows none. And the reason
54:37
Speaker 2: why is because men reject it. They're like the feminists
54:41
Speaker 2: keep giving them freaking surveys that say, are you evil,
54:45
Speaker 2: and men are like, no, I don't know, do you
54:47
Speaker 2: endorse even things? And then men are like not really,
54:54
Speaker 2: they're lying. Conn. It is infuriating, but anyway, please help
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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't let them win, okay, all right, all right?
55:13
Speaker 1: If you were to draw a ven diagram of these
55:16
Speaker 1: two worlds. One of the most significant overlaps would also
55:20
Speaker 1: be their shared obsession with status. Much like the various
55:24
Speaker 1: subcultures of the manisphere, from in cells to pick up artists,
55:28
Speaker 1: self optimizing influencers frequently equate perfection and excellence with being
55:34
Speaker 1: the highest ranking individual in the male pecking order. Whether
55:38
Speaker 1: the focus is wealth, power, success, popularity, attractiveness, biological superiority,
55:45
Speaker 1: or physical dominance, or all of the above, the desired
55:48
Speaker 1: outcome remains the same, to climb higher and higher, ideally
55:53
Speaker 1: to the very top within a given domain. Yeah, something
55:56
Speaker 1: that only men do, right, completely unique to me. Trying
56:02
Speaker 1: to increase your status. Okay, so I'm gonna just I'll
56:07
Speaker 1: just keep going. So. As Ashley Ogawa Ogawa Clark observed
56:13
Speaker 1: in a Vogue article later earlier this year, oh yeah,
56:16
Speaker 1: let's read. Let's read a quote from the philosophical powerhouse
56:22
Speaker 1: rag known as Vogue, male optimization in twenty twenty six
56:27
Speaker 1: is all about finding new ways to mark yourself out.
56:30
Speaker 1: If you can't be the richest of the hottest, maybe
56:33
Speaker 1: you can live the longest. What the male self improvement
56:38
Speaker 1: industry sells, then, isn't just supplements or wearable tech or
56:42
Speaker 1: sleep tracking apps or red light therapy. It's status too.
56:46
Speaker 1: You're not enough yet, but if you buy whatever we're selling,
56:50
Speaker 1: you too can become a high status optimized man, the
56:53
Speaker 1: kind of man who matters.
56:57
Speaker 2: Do you like that? Why do you think is this?
57:01
Speaker 2: Is this really selling to men with women aside from
57:04
Speaker 2: the men who want to make sure they can keep them,
57:07
Speaker 2: Like do they think about this stuff? Why is it
57:10
Speaker 2: that men want to optimize?
57:11
Speaker 1: Now?
57:11
Speaker 2: I know Brian Johnson or he has probably got a
57:15
Speaker 2: wife considering he has a child, but a son he's
57:19
Speaker 2: vamporizing on. Yeah, really doing that.
57:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's getting blood transfer. Look, he's a weirdo. He's
57:25
Speaker 1: a weird Oh billionaire guy who's spends billions. He's a billionaire.
57:30
Speaker 1: He's spending billions of dollars. So like he wants to
57:33
Speaker 1: live forever. He thinks he can do it. He's just
57:35
Speaker 1: going to be another and a long list of people
57:37
Speaker 1: that just you know, I don't know old and die.
57:40
Speaker 2: But I mean, at some point, when you're like vamporizing
57:46
Speaker 2: your own son's blood, do you ever just stop and say, hey,
57:49
Speaker 2: I think I've taken this too far? Like I can't
57:53
Speaker 2: believe that anybody would follow this man. How did he
57:56
Speaker 2: become a billionaire?
57:58
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have to look at it. I
58:00
Speaker 1: don't know what he made. But like the thing is,
58:02
Speaker 1: he isn't admired, not not as far as I know.
58:07
Speaker 1: I think most people think he's weird for doing that
58:10
Speaker 1: and that, and that includes a lot of men. But
58:14
Speaker 1: he is. I mean, he is rich. Is his money
58:17
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Maybe he thinks he can do it.
58:19
Speaker 1: I don't know, but no, Yeah, nobody, nobody thinks this
58:23
Speaker 1: guy is like the bomb. The men do not look
58:26
Speaker 1: up to this guy. So yeah, venture capitalist author, former
58:33
Speaker 1: CEO of Camel, a company creating devices that monitor and
58:36
Speaker 1: record brain activity. Uh. He's also the founder, chairman and
58:41
Speaker 1: CEO of Braintree, company specializing in mobile and web payment
58:45
Speaker 1: systems for e commerce. He acquired Venmo, so he owns
58:51
Speaker 1: he's he owns them. So yeah, he's basically a guy
58:54
Speaker 1: with with his finger in multiple pots.
58:59
Speaker 2: So okay, So since Robin, nobody has put in or sorry,
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Speaker 2: since the last individual, nobody has put anything in. So
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Speaker 1: All right?
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Speaker 2: Keep going?
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Speaker 1: Uh okay, what makes all of this even more insidious
1:00:38
Speaker 1: is social media algorithm's ability and tendency to target users
1:00:43
Speaker 1: when they're at their most vulnerable. Men and boys are
1:00:46
Speaker 1: often drawn into these unspoken competitions of masculinity, not because
1:00:50
Speaker 1: they consciously seek them out, but because they are already
1:00:53
Speaker 1: feeling insecure, lonely, or anxious or inadequate, and once inside,
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Speaker 1: they can find themselves trapped in us cycle of comparison
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Speaker 1: against an endless stream of seemingly higher status peers. Why
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Speaker 1: do they feel insecure, lonely, anxious or inadequate? Why?
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Speaker 2: I wonder? Why are so many?
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Speaker 1: She just says that and doesn't like even think this
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Speaker 1: should be talked about, just so they feel they feel
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Speaker 1: like and you know, even if you if she was
1:01:21
Speaker 1: pressed on it, I bet her answer would be, well,
1:01:24
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Speaker 1: Optimizing yourself out of your loserdom, out of your perceived
1:03:08
Speaker 1: failure to measure up as a man, then becomes your
1:03:11
Speaker 1: one and only priority. Again, they're doing this thing where
1:03:15
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, you feel like you're failing to
1:03:17
Speaker 1: measure up as a man. Measure up to what?
1:03:21
Speaker 2: To what?
1:03:22
Speaker 1: Who's imposing the standard? Now, of course she's going to
1:03:26
Speaker 1: say it's other men doing this. It's not. Yes, it's not.
1:03:29
Speaker 1: Somehow it's going it's it's going to be blamed on men,
1:03:33
Speaker 1: but it's not. Men.
1:03:35
Speaker 2: Go ahead, somehow, Men give each other privilege but at
1:03:37
Speaker 2: the same time hold each other to high standards. Yes, patriarchy,
1:03:45
Speaker 2: But the thing is that it can't both be true.
1:03:48
Speaker 2: Manhood can't be a status conferred on you by other
1:03:51
Speaker 2: men just by virtue of existing, but also something that's
1:03:55
Speaker 2: precarious that can be taken away, like patriarchal privilege. Can't
1:03:59
Speaker 2: be both of those things. Patriarchal privilege can't be a
1:04:02
Speaker 2: privilege and also an expectation that you can fail. That's not.
1:04:07
Speaker 2: That is like a contradiction in terms I know relational
1:04:10
Speaker 2: web thinking does not understand contradiction in terms, They just
1:04:14
Speaker 2: move the freaking coordinate like some kind of four dimensional creature,
1:04:18
Speaker 2: and then they're like, no, this isn't. This isn't a
1:04:20
Speaker 2: contradiction that makes perfect sense. Hur a dirt because it
1:04:23
Speaker 2: both lands on me being right. But it's not like
1:04:28
Speaker 2: you cannot Men cannot be privileged simultaneously bere privileged and
1:04:33
Speaker 2: their only value be granted to them when they uphold
1:04:38
Speaker 2: an external standard. Masculinity can't be privileged and precarious just
1:04:44
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Contradiction in terms are.
1:04:47
Speaker 1: One or the other? All right? Nova Fan twenty one
1:04:50
Speaker 1: gave us a rumble rant for a dollar and says,
1:04:54
Speaker 1: I legit got told by a retard that Andrew Tape
1:04:57
Speaker 1: via the algorithm on social media is what was programmed
1:05:00
Speaker 1: my mind to hate feminism. Never mind the TV shows
1:05:03
Speaker 1: during the twentieth century reacting to feminism. Uh yeah, I
1:05:08
Speaker 1: don't know why you would be told that entretate didn't
1:05:11
Speaker 1: just suddenly change the landscape. I think that that's just well,
1:05:15
Speaker 1: you're right, they were retarded, but anyway, all right. A
1:05:18
Speaker 1: recent meta analysis published in Personality and Social Psychology Review,
1:05:24
Speaker 1: which examined more than one hundred and twenty experiments involving
1:05:27
Speaker 1: nearly twenty thousand men predominantly from Western countries found that
1:05:32
Speaker 1: men still experience masculinity as an insecure status that must
1:05:37
Speaker 1: be continually reaffirmed. This aligns with a precarious manhood theory
1:05:43
Speaker 1: developed by social psychologists Joseph Vandello and Jennifer Bassan. Manhood,
1:05:50
Speaker 1: in this view is hard won and easily lost, and
1:05:54
Speaker 1: when men feel like they're falling short of its demands,
1:05:57
Speaker 1: emotional distress follows. As that Cautchell, one of the lead
1:06:02
Speaker 1: researchers behind the meta analysis, explains, the effects are surprisingly
1:06:07
Speaker 1: strong when men conclude that they do not conform to
1:06:10
Speaker 1: the masculine ideal, Stronger than what than when they receive
1:06:14
Speaker 1: external feedback, Especially when others are present. The pressure to
1:06:18
Speaker 1: present oneself as masculine increases. All right, So now we're
1:06:22
Speaker 1: talking about the study. Do you want to say anything before?
1:06:25
Speaker 2: How is it that masculinity is hard won and easily
1:06:28
Speaker 2: lost and men are privileged?
1:06:33
Speaker 1: Uh? There is no answer to them. No, there's no answer.
1:06:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't there's no answer. Patriarchy hurts men too.
1:06:41
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense if patriarchy is a club that
1:06:45
Speaker 2: men can only get into when they earn their way in.
1:06:49
Speaker 2: Then what they get when they get in the club
1:06:52
Speaker 2: is not privilege. It's an exchange. Yeah, they get for
1:06:57
Speaker 2: the risk and sacrifices they've made to get in. Okay,
1:07:02
Speaker 2: So either men have to win their way in to
1:07:07
Speaker 2: the patriarchy club, which does not make what they get,
1:07:11
Speaker 2: then get privilege, or this is just bullshit. Everything that
1:07:15
Speaker 2: they're talking about is bullshit. And I'm pushing on this
1:07:19
Speaker 2: because I am tired of these contradictions and these this
1:07:23
Speaker 2: illogic being allowed to float and just skate by. If
1:07:30
Speaker 2: men are privileged, masculinity is not precarious. And here's the
1:07:35
Speaker 2: other thing. These particular researchers, they're part of the same field,
1:07:39
Speaker 2: the psychology of men and masculinities. If they want men
1:07:43
Speaker 2: to be violent because of gender role strain, in other words,
1:07:47
Speaker 2: men are violent because they can't live up to being men,
1:07:51
Speaker 2: then they also simultaneously want to say that men are
1:07:54
Speaker 2: violent when they live up to being men. No, you can't,
1:07:58
Speaker 2: all right, you cannot say cause you have a population
1:08:01
Speaker 2: of men. The men who live up to being men
1:08:03
Speaker 2: are not violent. The men who don't live up to
1:08:05
Speaker 2: being men are violent. Why probably because they're frustrated about
1:08:09
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1:08:22
Speaker 2: can't then turn around and say masculine norms cause violence
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Speaker 2: against women. How that doesn't work. And that's what these
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Speaker 2: researchers want. They want simultaneously to say that men who
1:08:35
Speaker 2: are strained in their relationships to their masculinity cast are violent,
1:08:39
Speaker 2: and also when they're perfectly content with their relationship with masculinity,
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Speaker 2: they're also violent. Well, it's one or the other. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's basically they just want to say men are violent,
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Speaker 2: of course, but scientifically it's one or the other. It's
1:08:57
Speaker 2: either the thing or the absence of the thing. It's
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Speaker 2: not the thing, and and the absence of the thing
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Speaker 2: that's circular and unfalsifiable. That's not science. You're just a
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Speaker 2: freaking You are a bias, a hatred dressed up in
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Speaker 1: All right, so humans are generally sensitive to status, but
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Speaker 1: men on average are particularly so. Well, then you're basically
1:12:18
Speaker 1: just saying women are not as concerned as men. You're
1:12:22
Speaker 1: just like, there's literally never mind. After all, traditional masculine
1:12:26
Speaker 1: norms have long tied men's worth to various status markers
1:12:30
Speaker 1: financial or professional success, physical dominance, authority, power, et cetera.
1:12:35
Speaker 1: When men's sense of value then becomes dependent on these
1:12:38
Speaker 1: external measures, especially when they also feel themselves lagging behind others,
1:12:43
Speaker 1: the result is usually status anxiety, and status anxiety affects
1:12:47
Speaker 1: both how they feel and how they behave. So now
1:12:50
Speaker 1: we're going to get to the point where they're saying,
1:12:53
Speaker 1: She's going to say, I'm just predicting this that a
1:12:57
Speaker 1: man who feels status anxiety because he's his masculinity is
1:13:03
Speaker 1: in peril because other men are imposing their status on him,
1:13:08
Speaker 1: is going to result in him potentially hurting women. That's
1:13:12
Speaker 1: what they're gonna That's where they're gonna land, because that's
1:13:14
Speaker 1: where they always land. So you know, but okay. Another
1:13:20
Speaker 1: recent study published in Sociology Compass Compass found a connection
1:13:25
Speaker 1: between status anxiety, competitive environments and a greater willingness to
1:13:29
Speaker 1: engage in risky self optimizing practices aimed at improving one's
1:13:34
Speaker 1: social standing. If a person is already anxious about where
1:13:37
Speaker 1: they rank and perceives others as climbing the ladder ahead
1:13:40
Speaker 1: of them, the pressure to optimize, even in damaging ways, intensifies.
1:13:47
Speaker 1: Now apply this to young men and boys immersed in
1:13:50
Speaker 1: the manisphere adjacent optimization circus. How many of them will
1:13:54
Speaker 1: buckle under the pressure and spiral into obsessive self improvement
1:13:58
Speaker 1: that borders on self destruction? How many will chase to
1:14:02
Speaker 1: be as high risk, unethical or even illegal shortcuts to
1:14:05
Speaker 1: a higher status. Not all, but definitely some. Okay, I
1:14:10
Speaker 1: can't lie and say it's all of them, but it's
1:14:12
Speaker 1: gonna be some. And isn't that scary? You don't actually
1:14:17
Speaker 1: care that the like, the market for this stuff would
1:14:21
Speaker 1: not exist if those men were able to just like
1:14:25
Speaker 1: pair bond and get a job and afford like, you know,
1:14:30
Speaker 1: a regular wage, like live on a regular wage with
1:14:34
Speaker 1: a woman, and have kids. None of this stuff would
1:14:37
Speaker 1: exist if those things were there. But they're not there,
1:14:40
Speaker 1: And you guys don't want to change that. You actually
1:14:43
Speaker 1: want to make money off of that. You want to
1:14:45
Speaker 1: use that to get more power. And now you're just
1:14:48
Speaker 1: blaming men for their situation. I mean, of course you are, so.
1:14:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, well the situation that her ideology caused because she
1:14:57
Speaker 2: doesn't want anybody to start pulling the threads. And and
1:15:01
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be really honest, like, you don't have to
1:15:03
Speaker 2: go to this whole idea that you want to create
1:15:06
Speaker 2: a society where women are assigned to men. Although that's
1:15:09
Speaker 2: basically a tribal society, but and that's not what we
1:15:14
Speaker 2: came off of. We were a Christian society and consent
1:15:17
Speaker 2: was a big part of the sacrament, right, Yes, so
1:15:20
Speaker 2: that was never really a thing for us, at least
1:15:22
Speaker 2: in Northern European. You're in Northern Europe and all of
1:15:25
Speaker 2: the countries that sort of descended from there. But anyway,
1:15:28
Speaker 2: my point is, we don't have to go back to
1:15:31
Speaker 2: or not even go back to. We don't have to
1:15:32
Speaker 2: propose that women be assigned to men, or that women
1:15:37
Speaker 2: be obligated to have male partners, or that you know,
1:15:42
Speaker 2: we take away women's education aside from the education to
1:15:46
Speaker 2: hate men that we might want to curtail, shall we speak,
1:15:52
Speaker 2: or their economic contributions because that they've always done that
1:15:55
Speaker 2: they've always been educated, they've always to whatever degree was
1:15:59
Speaker 2: reasonable for their station, and they've always been been contributing
1:16:02
Speaker 2: to their families economically. What the idea is, The question
1:16:09
Speaker 2: is why should men invest in a system that actively
1:16:15
Speaker 2: undermines them as sexual, romantic and relationship partners. Why should
1:16:22
Speaker 2: they do that? And I think I think that those
1:16:25
Speaker 2: systems that actually make men legible to women, so they
1:16:30
Speaker 2: make it so that women understand how men do, and
1:16:33
Speaker 2: that how men express their love, how men express their loyalty,
1:16:38
Speaker 2: how men move through the world. Those systems that make
1:16:41
Speaker 2: men legible to women and make men's love legible to
1:16:45
Speaker 2: women are ones that succeed best. They're called monogamous. They're
1:16:48
Speaker 2: generally associated with monogamy. Actually they're almost exclusively associated with monogamy.
1:16:53
Speaker 2: But I think that's exactly it. The most successful system
1:16:58
Speaker 2: was a very strictly monogamy system where both parties consented
1:17:03
Speaker 2: to the relationship, so there was no actual coercion right
1:17:07
Speaker 2: economic or otherwise, or if there was, it was equal
1:17:10
Speaker 2: on both parties. Men needed women's economic contribution, women needed
1:17:16
Speaker 2: men's economic contribution, or their physical contribution to the household
1:17:20
Speaker 2: or the homestead, whatever right was there was that kind
1:17:24
Speaker 2: of an equality. I don't mean like an equality, like
1:17:26
Speaker 2: the feminist term of equality, but the idea that both
1:17:29
Speaker 2: brings something to the relationship. And it was based on
1:17:33
Speaker 2: consent and it was monogamous, and it worked because I
1:17:40
Speaker 2: think it made men's love legible to women, so they
1:17:45
Speaker 2: chose them out of their own free will. And those
1:17:47
Speaker 2: men were investing in a system that what did it say.
1:17:51
Speaker 2: It said that a husband loves his wife is Christ
1:17:54
Speaker 2: loved the church. That's actually a pretty good sales pitch
1:17:57
Speaker 2: if you think about it. Yeah, that's pretty powerful sales pitch. Hey, hey, ladies,
1:18:04
Speaker 2: this is what a man's love is. And then everybody
1:18:07
Speaker 2: invested in that system. It was great. You know, people
1:18:11
Speaker 2: got pair bonded, the children were raised, people's lapses weren't
1:18:16
Speaker 2: quite as punished as people think, but you know, they
1:18:18
Speaker 2: were still not considered to be ideal. And it worked
1:18:23
Speaker 2: and that was because it made men's love legible to women.
1:18:27
Speaker 2: All right, And now we're here in this society and
1:18:31
Speaker 2: the people who control the pulpit are saying men are
1:18:34
Speaker 2: demons who want to oppress women. That is the act, Like,
1:18:38
Speaker 2: that's not just not making love, men's love legible to women.
1:18:42
Speaker 2: It's replacing that legibility with a complete lie about men.
1:18:48
Speaker 2: And then women rationally say, you know, i'd be oppressed
1:18:52
Speaker 2: by a demon. And if I do have to be
1:18:54
Speaker 2: oppressed by a demon, I'm not going for any you know,
1:18:57
Speaker 2: like sulpur puddle. Uh, you know, a cleaner demon. I'm
1:19:02
Speaker 2: going for Satan. I like, that's a perfectly rational response.
1:19:07
Speaker 2: I know I'm being a little bit hyperbolic, but you
1:19:08
Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying. Yeah, And it's because the people
1:19:12
Speaker 2: of the pulpit have pumped so much toxicity into what
1:19:16
Speaker 2: people perceive men to be. You know, it's it, and
1:19:21
Speaker 2: that's what's happened. And we don't need to say, oh,
1:19:23
Speaker 2: we want to get back to a society where men
1:19:25
Speaker 2: are assigned a woman. That wasn't the soniety we were
1:19:28
Speaker 2: part of. We're just part of a society that said,
1:19:30
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to make men's love legible to women.
1:19:33
Speaker 2: So women want one want a man. They think it's
1:19:36
Speaker 2: prestigious to have a man to be a wife. Make
1:19:40
Speaker 2: men's love legible to women. Give it a nice sales pitch.
1:19:44
Speaker 2: It doesn't even really need a sales pitch, but just
1:19:46
Speaker 2: explain it. And now men are expected to invest in
1:19:50
Speaker 2: a culture that does even worse than the exact opposite.
1:19:54
Speaker 2: I mean, even a neutral colored culture would be better
1:19:56
Speaker 2: than this, but just like a cultures that it's like, yeah, guys,
1:19:59
Speaker 2: you're a your own. We're not gonna say anything. Even
1:20:05
Speaker 2: that would be better. But instead these people are insisting
1:20:08
Speaker 2: men invest in a culture that turns their love into
1:20:13
Speaker 2: a toxic, vile, sinful thing and tells women you would
1:20:20
Speaker 2: be a fool to invite this into your life. And
1:20:25
Speaker 2: that's what that's what people are, that's what that's what
1:20:28
Speaker 2: this woman are is arguing. She doesn't want you to
1:20:31
Speaker 2: question that. She doesn't want men to say, hey, wait,
1:20:35
Speaker 2: when am I doing? Why am I why am I?
1:20:38
Speaker 2: Why am I supporting? And you guys are supporting this,
1:20:40
Speaker 2: You're supporting it through your cass dollars. Me I have to,
1:20:44
Speaker 2: you know, go out and say, hey, would you be
1:20:46
Speaker 2: a sparadim throw a few shekels in our hat. These
1:20:50
Speaker 2: people get.
1:20:50
Speaker 3: Billions, millions to pursue the corruption of what is every other,
1:20:59
Speaker 3: every other belief system in history around the planet.
1:21:02
Speaker 2: Many consider it a sacrament, or if they're confusions, they
1:21:05
Speaker 2: consider it basically the foundation the practical foundation of society.
1:21:10
Speaker 2: Not sure if they recognize a sacrament, but everybody else
1:21:12
Speaker 2: considers it's sacred. And the feminists have called what everybody else.
1:21:18
Speaker 2: Every other religion, not just Christianity, Shintoism, Hindu Buddha, Buddhism, right, Judaism,
1:21:28
Speaker 2: every other pagan religions call this a sacrament. They consider
1:21:33
Speaker 2: the relationship between men and women in marriage to be
1:21:35
Speaker 2: a sacrament, every single one throughout human history. And this
1:21:39
Speaker 2: one that we have says it's evil, says it's the
1:21:45
Speaker 2: site of oppression, says that men just want to use
1:21:49
Speaker 2: their relationships with women to lord it over them and
1:21:52
Speaker 2: be and rape them into place, into their positions as inferiors.
1:21:56
Speaker 2: Just one ideology says this out of all of human history,
1:22:01
Speaker 2: and somehow we've convinced ourselves it's right and it's also
1:22:07
Speaker 2: not satanic. Maybe our ancestors had something about, you know,
1:22:15
Speaker 2: this being considered marriage being considered sacred, or the relationship
1:22:18
Speaker 2: between men and women being considered sacred. Maybe they understood something. Yeah, Nah,
1:22:25
Speaker 2: they're all rubes. No, Feminism's got it. Feminism has got
1:22:31
Speaker 2: all figured out. The human race didn't come from the
1:22:34
Speaker 2: relationship between men and women. Feminism created humans. Yes, that's
1:22:40
Speaker 2: why feminism knows exactly what human beings need to do,
1:22:43
Speaker 2: especially women. God damn. Anyway, my overall point is we
1:22:52
Speaker 2: don't have to imagine a world in which men are
1:22:54
Speaker 2: assigned women. We can just imagine a society that either
1:22:59
Speaker 2: maybe goes back to making their love legible to women
1:23:02
Speaker 2: so women want a man, or alternatively just gets the
1:23:05
Speaker 2: hell out of the way, right, we don't. Yeah, we
1:23:08
Speaker 2: could try that. Let's go to that, give that a go.
1:23:14
Speaker 2: I don't even think men want a woman assigned to them, Honestly,
1:23:21
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't speak for you, guys.
1:23:23
Speaker 1: I don't think men want that either. I mean, I
1:23:29
Speaker 1: don't know, like maybe things would have been. I don't
1:23:33
Speaker 1: think we can go back to another time. But I
1:23:38
Speaker 1: think that, you know, when people were looking to sort
1:23:43
Speaker 1: of spend the rest of their life with people who
1:23:45
Speaker 1: were like in their community that they grew up with,
1:23:47
Speaker 1: that they knew that was probably like the best way
1:23:51
Speaker 1: to like get into something that's you know, not likely
1:23:54
Speaker 1: to implode. But since the since we've been able to
1:23:59
Speaker 1: like talk to anyone from anywhere, it's opened up our options.
1:24:03
Speaker 1: But I think it's also created another problem, especially with
1:24:08
Speaker 1: the women, because the women now have access to so
1:24:12
Speaker 1: much variety that they're not going to choose in many cases.
1:24:18
Speaker 1: I mean, unless they like make it a point to
1:24:21
Speaker 1: only you know, like marry a guy that they know
1:24:25
Speaker 1: because they know the same family members or whatever. They
1:24:29
Speaker 1: have some like proximity connection. But I think that this
1:24:34
Speaker 1: is going to be an issue. But assigning people to
1:24:38
Speaker 1: other people is not the solution. So I don't think
1:24:42
Speaker 1: men want that anyway they want they want the same thing, honestly,
1:24:45
Speaker 1: they want the same thing that a lot of women want.
1:24:47
Speaker 1: They just want to be with somebody that loves them
1:24:49
Speaker 1: and wants to like, you know, wants the best for
1:24:51
Speaker 1: them and wants to become like a partnership, you know,
1:24:55
Speaker 1: together where you know. But but you yeah, good.
1:25:05
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're grinding it down, guys, all right, So
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Speaker 2: I want to thank Sleepy for ten, ZARANX for ten,
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Speaker 2: Egregious for ten. Guys are all going with the ten.
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Speaker 1: That's good, that's good. No, but that's like it's better
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Speaker 1: to do the smaller. If more people gave the smaller amounts,
1:25:26
Speaker 1: I think that's a lot better for everybody.
1:25:29
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, not that I'm not that I'm dissing
1:25:32
Speaker 2: the larger amounts either.
1:25:33
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, obviously not. But like if you
1:25:38
Speaker 1: if you're like you know, able to continue because you
1:25:40
Speaker 1: have like yeah, two or three big donors, that's cool.
1:25:44
Speaker 1: But like if something happens to one of them or
1:25:47
Speaker 1: they lose their job or whatever, especially because they're investing
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Speaker 1: so much, I think that it just would be easier
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Speaker 1: on everybody if, like, you know, we have more people
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Speaker 1: giving a smaller amounts.
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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not. I didn't mean to sell like
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Speaker 2: I was throwing. It was a repetition that was amusing me.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, uh, yeah, we're all yeah, you guys have
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Speaker 2: you guys have voted. We're all ten.
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Speaker 1: Anymore.
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1:27:14
Speaker 1: Okay. Besides, it's not just the online self optimization sphere
1:27:20
Speaker 1: that's fueling this, whether directly or not. The prediction market industry,
1:27:26
Speaker 1: which consists of online platforms where people can bet on
1:27:29
Speaker 1: future events, also heavily markets itself too, and is disproportionately
1:27:34
Speaker 1: used by young men. Timothy Shalomey, he's an actor. The
1:27:38
Speaker 1: thirty year old actor just fronted a series of adverts
1:27:42
Speaker 1: for Calshi, one of the leading prediction platforms. Logan Paul,
1:27:46
Speaker 1: the YouTuber turned wrestler, meanwhile, is sponsored by its competitor, Polymarket.
1:27:53
Speaker 1: But there's something else that tends to well, you know what,
1:27:55
Speaker 1: let me stop there for a second again. You're bringing
1:27:59
Speaker 1: up Timothy Shalomy and Logan Paul to make an argument
1:28:06
Speaker 1: about men in general, like every man in the country.
1:28:11
Speaker 1: How many men even watch those guys Timothy Shallo May
1:28:15
Speaker 1: he's like a Hollywood guy. Last thing I saw him
1:28:17
Speaker 1: in was Dune two or whatever it was. Now, I mean,
1:28:23
Speaker 1: this is a stretch. All I'm saying is it's weird
1:28:25
Speaker 1: that you're trying to like connect these threads together. But whatever,
1:28:29
Speaker 1: I'm not a woman, so but there's something else that
1:28:32
Speaker 1: tends to supercharge both status anxiety and the risky behaviors.
1:28:36
Speaker 1: It encourages inequality. As philosopher Elaine de Bouton, whose two
1:28:42
Speaker 1: thousand and four book Status Anxiety popularized the concept, wrote, quote,
1:28:47
Speaker 1: the desire for high status is never stronger than in
1:28:50
Speaker 1: situations where ordinary life fails to answer a median need
1:28:54
Speaker 1: for dignity and comfort. Wait a minute, how does ordinary
1:29:02
Speaker 1: life not answer the median need for dignity and comfort?
1:29:08
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Like we are living in the United
1:29:14
Speaker 1: States of America or in the Western world. If you're
1:29:16
Speaker 1: not in the US, which is where like even the
1:29:20
Speaker 1: poorest people are, they're not starving. In fact, they're obese.
1:29:26
Speaker 1: If anything, they they live in the freest country ever.
1:29:30
Speaker 1: They live better than kings of you know eras past
1:29:35
Speaker 1: like better than Louis the fourteenth, better than Napoleon, you know,
1:29:39
Speaker 1: better than King Charles the first, Like they live better
1:29:43
Speaker 1: lives than those guys. Right, there is no that. Like
1:29:49
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is the lifestyle is not the reason
1:29:54
Speaker 1: for this, and this is a stretch. The desire for
1:29:56
Speaker 1: high status is never stronger than in situations where ordinary
1:29:59
Speaker 1: life fails to answer a median need for dignity and comfort.
1:30:03
Speaker 1: We all have those things. Dignity is like you seek
1:30:07
Speaker 1: that out on your own. Comfort we all have access
1:30:10
Speaker 1: to if we live in the first world, you're fine, okay.
1:30:13
Speaker 1: And if you're homeless or something, you're not reading this
1:30:16
Speaker 1: article anyway, You're not watching liver king and fucking Brian
1:30:20
Speaker 1: Johnson online. You're just trying to like get your next meal.
1:30:25
Speaker 1: So no that it just it just okay whatever by
1:30:29
Speaker 1: many measures, Oh, you go ahead, go ahead, right.
1:30:33
Speaker 2: The desire for high status is never stronger than in
1:30:35
Speaker 2: situations where ordinary life fails the little answer a median
1:30:38
Speaker 2: need for dignity and comfort. Well for men, you know,
1:30:43
Speaker 2: having a partner, for a pair, bonding species, having a
1:30:47
Speaker 2: partner is a median need for dignity and comfort. And
1:30:50
Speaker 2: again I'm not saying, assign women two men. I'm saying,
1:30:54
Speaker 2: stop undercutting men men's ability to acquire a partner, stop
1:31:01
Speaker 2: undercutting it, right, and so they he she's saying that.
1:31:09
Speaker 2: Now she's saying that, or she's simply she's creating this
1:31:14
Speaker 2: sympathetic thing. So are we sympathizing with the fact that
1:31:18
Speaker 2: men have the status anxiety now? Because what what she's
1:31:22
Speaker 2: saying is it's a part of something that's being forced
1:31:26
Speaker 2: on everyone or something right, you know, So it's a
1:31:28
Speaker 2: it's a yeah, it's a deprivation. I don't want to
1:31:32
Speaker 2: say inequality. It's a deprivation. So she's saying, well, men
1:31:35
Speaker 2: have the status anxiety because of a deprivation. Okay, So
1:31:41
Speaker 2: are you going to continue to condemn them for it?
1:31:44
Speaker 2: Are you saying that? It's a sensible response, is what
1:31:47
Speaker 2: I'm getting at.
1:31:49
Speaker 1: Let's keep going, all right, by many measures, ordinary life
1:31:54
Speaker 1: increasingly fails to answer that need by many measures, okay,
1:32:00
Speaker 1: particularly for younger generations, as wealth and income inequality have
1:32:04
Speaker 1: widened significantly in recent years. At the same time, stable employment,
1:32:08
Speaker 1: affordable housing, and long term economic security have become more
1:32:12
Speaker 1: difficult to attain. Plus, the zero sum logic of neoliberal
1:32:15
Speaker 1: capitalism that helped create these very conditions, is itself intertwined
1:32:20
Speaker 1: with obsessive status seeking, pushing all of us to compete
1:32:23
Speaker 1: endlessly for what we're told are scarce opportunities and rewards,
1:32:28
Speaker 1: and even as the odds of winning shrink, many of
1:32:30
Speaker 1: us keep playing the game. So now we're landing on
1:32:34
Speaker 1: its capitalism's fault, of course, So that means but then okay,
1:32:41
Speaker 1: so that means that what this person means by when
1:32:45
Speaker 1: they say the wealth and income inequality have widened significantly. Remember,
1:32:50
Speaker 1: no matter what they're going to say about the men
1:32:53
Speaker 1: in this in terms of how they're dealing with these
1:32:56
Speaker 1: wealth and income inequalities, the women have it worse because
1:33:00
Speaker 1: they're the victims of wealth and income and equality. So
1:33:04
Speaker 1: when this person says they're they feel like they need
1:33:09
Speaker 1: to compete Again, I have to ask compete with who?
1:33:13
Speaker 1: Compete with who? And of course they're not gonna say women,
1:33:16
Speaker 1: even though like I think that on average women are
1:33:22
Speaker 1: still they're still making a little bit more than men,
1:33:25
Speaker 1: like in because in the in the workplace, but they're
1:33:31
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that it needs to be addressed,
1:33:32
Speaker 1: because that's just like you know, historical oppression we're just
1:33:36
Speaker 1: correcting it, correcting for past past mistakes, past sins. But
1:33:40
Speaker 1: that also means that those women don't want those men.
1:33:43
Speaker 1: They don't want most men, even men who are making
1:33:46
Speaker 1: more than them, they don't want because those men are
1:33:48
Speaker 1: not making enough, more like more by you know enough.
1:33:53
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're not gonna address this now, this is
1:33:58
Speaker 1: just gonna turn to a communist creed At this point,
1:34:00
Speaker 1: I think let's find out if I'm wrong. You think
1:34:06
Speaker 1: you can't control what's going on and change the rules,
1:34:08
Speaker 1: so you focus instead on controlling things within your own
1:34:11
Speaker 1: individual bubble. As Bartlett often reminds his followers, the only
1:34:14
Speaker 1: thing we can control in life is ourselves. The problem
1:34:18
Speaker 1: is that these attempts to control and optimize and maximize
1:34:20
Speaker 1: and hack whatever you can don't necessarily work as advertised either.
1:34:26
Speaker 1: So now they're going to say, at least before this
1:34:29
Speaker 1: is over, she'll probably say, what we need to do
1:34:31
Speaker 1: is collectivize, overthrow capitalism and vote for insert you know
1:34:38
Speaker 1: Zora and Mamdani look alike here. Okay, So, young men
1:34:45
Speaker 1: who consume masculinity influencer content and not just the overly
1:34:50
Speaker 1: misogynistic variety, are more likely to report worse mental health
1:34:54
Speaker 1: outcomes and to reduce willingness to prioritize it, engaging in
1:34:59
Speaker 1: risky health behaviors, and feel frustrated with dating. Teenage boys
1:35:04
Speaker 1: exposed to this content are also more likely to feel lonely, isolated, anxious,
1:35:08
Speaker 1: and struggle with their self esteem. Again, why who is
1:35:13
Speaker 1: doing this to them? Why are men feeling this way?
1:35:17
Speaker 1: Why are men frustrated with dating? Can we can we
1:35:20
Speaker 1: look into this at all? I don't think we're going to.
1:35:24
Speaker 1: Let's see, let me open this link here a young
1:35:29
Speaker 1: Men's health in a digital world. Yeah, I don't. I
1:35:32
Speaker 1: don't believe any of you guys men in masculinity. Yeah,
1:35:36
Speaker 1: it's basically the same arguments. They just have a different Well.
1:35:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. It's a very good likelihood that they don't.
1:35:45
Speaker 2: And the reason why I say that is the same
1:35:48
Speaker 2: people that are currently turning the economy into a gigantic
1:35:53
Speaker 2: fat bird. And what I mean by that is it's
1:35:57
Speaker 2: I'm when you, when you backstop, like when you basically
1:36:05
Speaker 2: capitalize gains socialize the losses, you construct an economy that
1:36:12
Speaker 2: is very well, let's say, stagnant, very top heavy. Because
1:36:17
Speaker 2: what happens is all the big players can never die
1:36:21
Speaker 2: no matter what they do. They just get to the
1:36:23
Speaker 2: point where they can force all of their losses on
1:36:26
Speaker 2: the American taxpayers. Right. So this creates a very stratified
1:36:31
Speaker 2: economy with huge chasms between the haves and the have nots.
1:36:34
Speaker 2: The halves are who's ever closest to the to the
1:36:39
Speaker 2: to the money nozzle, And no longer can men really
1:36:43
Speaker 2: succeed by simply becoming productive, making something, building something, maintaining something.
1:36:50
Speaker 2: So the and the thing is that the very people
1:36:53
Speaker 2: who are promoting this system, who are creating this system capitalize,
1:37:00
Speaker 2: capitalizing gains, socializing losses, are also promoting women like this
1:37:06
Speaker 2: and undercutting men as as both workers and as partners.
1:37:14
Speaker 2: That sounds I don't know if that sounds common. That's
1:37:16
Speaker 2: not how I meant it. They're silencing men as workers
1:37:20
Speaker 2: and they're undercutting men as partners. So this is part
1:37:24
Speaker 2: of the whole The funny thing is that she works
1:37:28
Speaker 2: for the very people she calls out here, the very
1:37:32
Speaker 2: people who are destroying the free market economy, the free
1:37:37
Speaker 2: market in order to construct this very hierarchical system where
1:37:43
Speaker 2: they're on top because they get the fed back stopping,
1:37:46
Speaker 2: they get to socialize their losses to the tax pair
1:37:49
Speaker 2: increasingly smaller amounts of taxpayers. Right, and they justify all
1:37:55
Speaker 2: of this the feminist firewall that says that men are
1:37:58
Speaker 2: terrible people. They justify their interventions into all of this
1:38:04
Speaker 2: with diversity effort East ESG. It's why the renuneration the
1:38:12
Speaker 2: CEO Hay has gone from twenty to thirty times the
1:38:17
Speaker 2: average worker to two hundred or three hundred in some
1:38:20
Speaker 2: places six hundred times the average worker, because everything has
1:38:25
Speaker 2: become about financialization, not production. Before the CEO's wage will
1:38:30
Speaker 2: be tied to actually producing something. Now it's tied to
1:38:34
Speaker 2: things like pursuing ESG and DEI and taking wanes in
1:38:41
Speaker 2: order to buy back stocks and all kinds of other chicanery.
1:38:47
Speaker 2: And again it's all just a good portion of it
1:38:51
Speaker 2: is justified by feminism. Then, I uh, it takes a
1:38:57
Speaker 2: while to set this one up, So I'm going to
1:39:00
Speaker 2: step away from it and just remind everybody that we
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1:40:01
Speaker 2: let's read a bit more, all right.
1:40:03
Speaker 1: The rise of masculinity oriented content, particularly the ever more
1:40:07
Speaker 1: exaggerated expressions of status, dominance, fitness, and success, has also
1:40:13
Speaker 1: likely contributed to the resurgence of more rigid traditional ideas
1:40:17
Speaker 1: about gender roles and manhood, especially amongst younger men. Be afraid,
1:40:28
Speaker 1: I well, and she does. Apparently apparently being fit and
1:40:34
Speaker 1: successful is a masculine thing. Okay, ladies, well, I mean,
1:40:38
Speaker 1: if you want to say that about yourselves, yeah, Okay.
1:40:44
Speaker 2: She doesn't want to acknowledge, or she can't, or she
1:40:46
Speaker 2: doesn't realize that. When you define hetero sexuality as oppression
1:40:51
Speaker 2: of women, of course women are going to increase their
1:40:55
Speaker 2: their standards rationally. And the reason why men are now
1:41:00
Speaker 2: obsessed with status is because we've shifted from a society
1:41:05
Speaker 2: in which we reward productivity, which means a much latter hierarchy,
1:41:12
Speaker 2: to a society in which we reward nepotism, which is
1:41:16
Speaker 2: a much steeper hierarchy. So not only do men how
1:41:20
Speaker 2: have to have to have to jump or clear the
1:41:25
Speaker 2: bar of justify why you get to oppress me, they
1:41:31
Speaker 2: also have to clear the financial bar, the higher financial bar,
1:41:38
Speaker 2: So it's like both ways men get it. Their ability
1:41:44
Speaker 2: to their ability to produce and gain status, not necessarily status,
1:41:52
Speaker 2: but gain a decent living, be a protector and provider
1:41:55
Speaker 2: is curtailed in this economy because it's gone from being
1:41:58
Speaker 2: a producer to how close you are to the nozzle.
1:42:03
Speaker 2: And they're also being undercut, so now they're squeezed from
1:42:08
Speaker 2: both ends. They have to get over a higher bar
1:42:13
Speaker 2: and they have less ability to do so. And this
1:42:17
Speaker 2: is entirely can you lay it on the feet of
1:42:19
Speaker 2: her and her ideology, because her ideology gave cover to
1:42:26
Speaker 2: the most It is actually men who did it, but
1:42:27
Speaker 2: their psychos, to the men who constructed this entire nepotistic system,
1:42:32
Speaker 2: and women. There are some women too. It's just that
1:42:34
Speaker 2: the psych of men tend to be a little bit
1:42:36
Speaker 2: more strategic about how they go about things, right, and
1:42:41
Speaker 2: they've constructed this entire system of nepotism, and how close
1:42:44
Speaker 2: you get to the nozzle which has been she her
1:42:48
Speaker 2: belief system provided the firewall for them to be able
1:42:51
Speaker 2: to do it, and then her belief system turns around
1:42:56
Speaker 2: and squeezes men on the other side by saying, oh, no,
1:42:59
Speaker 2: you got to get over the oppression bar. Now, not
1:43:03
Speaker 2: just the regular you know, like just a provider bar.
1:43:06
Speaker 2: The feminists took out the provider bar, and they put
1:43:09
Speaker 2: in the oppression bar, which is about a metric it's
1:43:12
Speaker 2: about it's about a mile higher than the provider bar.
1:43:15
Speaker 2: And then they're like, yeah, get over that bar. You're
1:43:17
Speaker 2: not a real man. And then their friends, the financialization
1:43:24
Speaker 2: sociopath made it so that men can't even freaking earn
1:43:29
Speaker 2: a living, all right, at least not much of not
1:43:31
Speaker 2: as much of one yeah, their own productivity.
1:43:35
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so going on, let me just double
1:43:40
Speaker 1: check my try. Did to miss any super chats or
1:43:42
Speaker 1: any super chows or anything. No, not yet, all right yet,
1:43:47
Speaker 1: even the men who seemingly take this issue seriously frequently
1:43:50
Speaker 1: offer solutions that are just more of the same. Scott
1:43:54
Speaker 1: Galloway's advice to young men, for example, is to get
1:43:57
Speaker 1: out of the house, make some money, get strong, and
1:44:00
Speaker 1: start hunting lions. If you showed me that quote alongside
1:44:03
Speaker 1: one from the man who eats raw testicles, that would
1:44:06
Speaker 1: be liver king. I'm not sure I could tell you
1:44:09
Speaker 1: who said that. I could tell who said that. So
1:44:12
Speaker 1: this is interesting too. Again, I don't know why these
1:44:16
Speaker 1: like feminist men think that they're going to get in
1:44:19
Speaker 1: the good graces of these people. Scott Galloway is a
1:44:23
Speaker 1: he's one of the approved men's issues advocates. Not really
1:44:27
Speaker 1: a men's issues advocate. He's actually a male feminist that's
1:44:30
Speaker 1: just trying to stop men from checking out of society
1:44:36
Speaker 1: because he can see the writing on the wall. It's
1:44:38
Speaker 1: a bad thing. And of course he's surrounded by people
1:44:41
Speaker 1: who don't give a shit, and he still does not
1:44:44
Speaker 1: want to wake up and smell the coffee on what's
1:44:47
Speaker 1: going on he wants to Basically, he actually uses the
1:44:50
Speaker 1: term precarious masculinity. I thought he coined it because I've
1:44:55
Speaker 1: seen him do a lot of other talks and he
1:44:57
Speaker 1: would bring it up, and I knew that. I'm not
1:45:00
Speaker 1: saying he's fake, but I think that he's not the
1:45:03
Speaker 1: right answer. He's at all like he's just like a
1:45:06
Speaker 1: male feminist. He's just not as bad as say Michael
1:45:09
Speaker 1: Kimmel or Michael Flood. You know, he's not one of
1:45:12
Speaker 1: those guys, but he's not much better. You know, he's
1:45:15
Speaker 1: still going to basically put women first, and he doesn't
1:45:19
Speaker 1: have the answers at all. So and of course even
1:45:23
Speaker 1: though he's basically on their side, they're gonna attack him
1:45:25
Speaker 1: anyways because he's telling men something it's not even like
1:45:31
Speaker 1: advice that you would find at all reprehensible. Get out
1:45:37
Speaker 1: of the house, make some money, get strong, and star
1:45:39
Speaker 1: hunting well, hunting lions is a little bit is a
1:45:41
Speaker 1: bit much, But like the other stuff. Yeah, and that's
1:45:46
Speaker 1: that's what that's normal. That's just normal. I can't even
1:45:50
Speaker 1: classify that as something ideological. It's just normal. But again,
1:45:54
Speaker 1: they don't like that. Oh that just that sounds like
1:45:56
Speaker 1: something the liver king would say. So that's something Andrew
1:46:00
Speaker 1: Tate would say. I don't give a fuck. This is
1:46:03
Speaker 1: your problem is that you don't want to even consider
1:46:08
Speaker 1: regular advice that makes sense for ninety nine point nine
1:46:12
Speaker 1: percent of the population. If you are hearing it from
1:46:14
Speaker 1: someone you don't like, that's all it is. You know
1:46:19
Speaker 1: that person. I don't like that person. What if they
1:46:21
Speaker 1: say they like that thing. Oh I don't like that thing.
1:46:23
Speaker 1: That's a bad thing. Now because that person liked it?
1:46:27
Speaker 1: What are we fucking six? This is ridiculous anyway. I
1:46:36
Speaker 1: got a rumble rant from Nova fan twenty one, who
1:46:40
Speaker 1: gives a dollar and says, I'm curious that the author
1:46:42
Speaker 1: did an article on men dropping out of the dating game,
1:46:45
Speaker 1: or if she gets fixated on the lack of male
1:46:47
Speaker 1: simps and reframes it as misogyny like other feminists. Well,
1:46:51
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but I don't think this
1:46:55
Speaker 1: person has anything to offer, Like I've been saying for years,
1:46:59
Speaker 1: they have. They have nothing to offer men except get
1:47:02
Speaker 1: back out there and stop complaining. That's all they have.
1:47:06
Speaker 1: So what's being said is more important than who's saying it. Yes, obviously.
1:47:12
Speaker 1: But this is the thing with these people. They they
1:47:15
Speaker 1: don't It's a isn't this relational web thinking where it's like,
1:47:19
Speaker 1: well did the person who said this and they are
1:47:21
Speaker 1: they in my tribe? Oh they're not. Oh, then I
1:47:23
Speaker 1: don't agree with what they're saying. There must be something
1:47:26
Speaker 1: wrong with what they're saying because I don't like them.
1:47:29
Speaker 1: And if there's someone else who I should like, but
1:47:33
Speaker 1: they also say the thing that the person I don't
1:47:35
Speaker 1: like said, then that means that that person Scott Galloway,
1:47:39
Speaker 1: The Diary of a CEO, guy, Chris Williamson, They're all
1:47:42
Speaker 1: basically just the same as Clavicular and Andrew Tait and stuff.
1:47:46
Speaker 1: They're all the same. Why because they're saying things I
1:47:49
Speaker 1: don't like and some of those people are really bad
1:47:52
Speaker 1: people because I said so, So I'm gonna exclude all
1:47:55
Speaker 1: of them, and I'm gonna offer nothing, by the way, No,
1:48:00
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna complain. I'm just gonna complain that people
1:48:03
Speaker 1: listen to these people. That's it, all right?
1:48:07
Speaker 2: Okay, Anyway, I should probably I should probably, Uh can
1:48:12
Speaker 2: you hear me?
1:48:13
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
1:48:15
Speaker 2: Okay, guys, so we haven't moved in a bit, so
1:48:17
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1:48:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it always.
1:48:37
Speaker 2: All right, So please go to feed the Badger dot
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Speaker 2: com slash uh support and huh. I guess I should
1:48:46
Speaker 2: try to try to convince you guys that this is important.
1:48:51
Speaker 2: You can just I guess, imagine if we weren't here,
1:48:55
Speaker 2: what we would be doing. I mean, honestly, that terrifies
1:48:57
Speaker 2: me because then I would know that, for the most part,
1:49:01
Speaker 2: except for a few other scattered voices, the femosphere and
1:49:07
Speaker 2: I don't even know if the femosphere is the right
1:49:09
Speaker 2: way to put it, but feminists would be completely uncontested
1:49:14
Speaker 2: in the things that they say. They would be literally
1:49:18
Speaker 2: uncontested in their attempts to drag us down and tell
1:49:24
Speaker 2: And I know that sounds hyperbolic, but I don't know.
1:49:27
Speaker 2: Once you start defining the relationship between men and women
1:49:31
Speaker 2: as oppression, there's not much further down you can go.
1:49:34
Speaker 2: Because I hate to tell you all that that's how
1:49:36
Speaker 2: we got here and that's how we're going to continue
1:49:39
Speaker 2: to be here. Maybe that's the problem. They don't like here.
1:49:44
Speaker 2: They think here is a punishment. I'm not sure why
1:49:49
Speaker 2: they had to make it worse, but anyway, if you
1:49:52
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1:49:55
Speaker 2: go to Feed the Badger. I'll calm slash support. You
1:49:57
Speaker 2: are the only reason why we continue to be able
1:50:00
Speaker 2: to speak, So if you think you're unimportant, don't. You're
1:50:06
Speaker 2: why we're here. You're why we're continue to make this content.
1:50:09
Speaker 2: You're why I can go and do the research that
1:50:12
Speaker 2: I do to find out what they're up to and
1:50:15
Speaker 2: what they're engaging in, and properly give you the answers
1:50:20
Speaker 2: to how or the counter arguments to what they're up to.
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1:51:18
Speaker 1: The masculinity industry can churn out as many slightly new
1:51:24
Speaker 1: and improved ideals as it likes, but it's doubtful any
1:51:28
Speaker 1: of them will dramatically improve men's lives, because it's precisely
1:51:31
Speaker 1: these ideals that help create the feelings of inadequacy insteatus
1:51:34
Speaker 1: anxiety that they claim to solve. Continuously telling men that
1:51:40
Speaker 1: their value lies primarily in their ability to provide and
1:51:42
Speaker 1: that they should simply go out and make some money
1:51:45
Speaker 1: in a deteriorating socioeconomic landscape is just absurd and cruel.
1:51:50
Speaker 1: So they create. So they create the problem, which is
1:51:54
Speaker 1: that men are not able to, you know, like get
1:51:58
Speaker 1: a good job and essentially use it to support a family.
1:52:03
Speaker 1: And then they say, well, God, why are you trying,
1:52:06
Speaker 1: Why why are you trying? Why are you still involved
1:52:09
Speaker 1: in the rat race? Well, because men have to or
1:52:13
Speaker 1: they die. They're not like women. They don't get to
1:52:16
Speaker 1: just call their parents and be like, I just want
1:52:18
Speaker 1: to move into my house and just like be taken
1:52:21
Speaker 1: care of. They know that they have to. That's just
1:52:25
Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, it'd be nice if women
1:52:27
Speaker 1: also had to, But unfortunately women do have a way
1:52:30
Speaker 1: of getting out of it. They can go back home
1:52:32
Speaker 1: and live with their parents, they can get some orbit
1:52:34
Speaker 1: or to take care of them. They can and do
1:52:37
Speaker 1: do that. And you seem upset that men recognize the
1:52:42
Speaker 1: reality that we live in where you have to work
1:52:46
Speaker 1: to live. What It's crazy. The Bartlets of this world
1:52:55
Speaker 1: may make the success and elaborate routine seeing within reach
1:52:58
Speaker 1: if you only work hard. But how many of these
1:53:02
Speaker 1: men could still maintain their lifestyles without someone a paid
1:53:05
Speaker 1: employee or an unpaid female partner dealing with all the
1:53:08
Speaker 1: domestic drudgery behind the scenes. How many benefited from financial
1:53:12
Speaker 1: support or other opportunities that they rarely mention. How many
1:53:16
Speaker 1: just got lucky? How many aren't actually successful at all? Well,
1:53:21
Speaker 1: those guys are certainly not collecting you know, like government support,
1:53:26
Speaker 1: because they can't, So I'm guessing that theyve actually did
1:53:30
Speaker 1: work hard. And here's another thing that I'm seeing too.
1:53:33
Speaker 1: In this article, and maybe this is like a weird
1:53:37
Speaker 1: like woman thing, but want they want men that read this,
1:53:43
Speaker 1: If men read this, they want the men that might
1:53:45
Speaker 1: read this to compare their situation to people like Bartlett
1:53:51
Speaker 1: and Liver King. I don't know if he's making any money.
1:53:54
Speaker 1: He's been arrested, Liver King, but like Bartlett and Chris
1:53:58
Speaker 1: Williamson and these other guys. They want men to look
1:54:01
Speaker 1: at those men and compare themselves to them so that
1:54:04
Speaker 1: they can grow resentment. And I don't think I mean,
1:54:08
Speaker 1: I know that jealousy exists, but I don't think men
1:54:13
Speaker 1: want to be in that position where they will be
1:54:16
Speaker 1: where they're comparing their their situation with another man. I
1:54:21
Speaker 1: don't think it's good for them. I think that most
1:54:22
Speaker 1: men know that, and in fact, it's just better to
1:54:24
Speaker 1: compare yourself to who you were, you know, like yesterday.
1:54:31
Speaker 1: But they want, they want men to feel resentful. They
1:54:34
Speaker 1: want that because they want them to basically be a
1:54:36
Speaker 1: part of the revolution that they're pushing for. And the
1:54:39
Speaker 1: men won't do it if they don't think that there's
1:54:41
Speaker 1: any reason for it, or that they won't benefit in
1:54:44
Speaker 1: some way. But they'd rather not destroy other people's lives
1:54:47
Speaker 1: and these people do want that. This is what it is, so.
1:54:54
Speaker 2: All right, Okay.
1:54:57
Speaker 1: Social media is full of smoke and mirrors. It's also
1:55:00
Speaker 1: full of narratives that blame women for anything and everything.
1:55:03
Speaker 1: When men succeed, they credit their hard work and they're
1:55:06
Speaker 1: supposed innate male superiority. But when they don't, the finger
1:55:11
Speaker 1: somehow starts being pointed at women. Women blame men, blame
1:55:17
Speaker 1: women for everything and anything. Is that really? Is that
1:55:22
Speaker 1: really true? Dude? The projection on this is actually through
1:55:27
Speaker 1: the roof.
1:55:29
Speaker 2: No, it's not true. It is not true. Of course,
1:55:32
Speaker 2: men do not blame women for mundane choices that they
1:55:35
Speaker 2: make in their lives. And yet I have heard look
1:55:39
Speaker 2: at how much women blame men for. Like I'm pretty
1:55:44
Speaker 2: sure that these guys who are watching Clivicular or the
1:55:48
Speaker 2: testical guy, they're not blaming women for doing that. I mean,
1:55:52
Speaker 2: they may be like, I hope that watching him will
1:55:54
Speaker 2: give me some way of attracting women, but they're not
1:55:58
Speaker 2: blaming women for their choice to do that.
1:56:01
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
1:56:02
Speaker 2: Like women will blame men for all kinds of things.
1:56:05
Speaker 2: They'll blame men for their choice to wear pink, They'll
1:56:08
Speaker 2: blame men for their choice to eject their lips with botox, right,
1:56:13
Speaker 2: they'll blame men for not becoming a mathematician. Like there's nothing,
1:56:20
Speaker 2: no mundane choice in a woman's life that I haven't
1:56:22
Speaker 2: seen a woman blame on a man. This is ridiculous.
1:56:29
Speaker 2: It's almost like they're arguing that men should lead women,
1:56:32
Speaker 2: that women should be in charge because they're gonna be
1:56:35
Speaker 2: blamed for it no matter what. They might as well
1:56:38
Speaker 2: be the ones making the decisions.
1:56:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:56:41
Speaker 2: But yeah, like this this is absolute projection the manisphere.
1:56:47
Speaker 2: I don't even think that they I don't even think
1:56:49
Speaker 2: that they go as far as we do in terms
1:56:51
Speaker 2: of blaming women. I mean, they might say that women's women's.
1:56:59
Speaker 1: They're very hill. They don't they don't really blame women.
1:57:03
Speaker 1: They they try to go around that, like basically like
1:57:08
Speaker 1: they're just like, well, if you maintain frame, then you
1:57:10
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about like, you know, women won't
1:57:13
Speaker 1: make problems for you. But they ignore the fact that
1:57:16
Speaker 1: like what women do is they vote for, you know,
1:57:19
Speaker 1: the government to create problems for men. So yeah, they're
1:57:24
Speaker 1: they're not they don't blame women as much as we do.
1:57:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so yeah, that's uh, I don't know, like
1:57:35
Speaker 2: this is This seems to be a ridiculous presumption on
1:57:37
Speaker 2: her part from what I've seen. No, women blame men
1:57:40
Speaker 2: a lot more than men blame women.
1:57:42
Speaker 1: Oh, for sure, she's gonna blame men in this article.
1:57:46
Speaker 1: She's gonna blame men.
1:57:47
Speaker 2: But the other thing is that men, men recognize women
1:57:49
Speaker 2: are away and then they try to do something to
1:57:53
Speaker 2: either live up to it or overcome it or something
1:57:56
Speaker 2: like men refocus on their own action when women engage
1:58:03
Speaker 2: in these shenanigans. Right, So it's it's not even like
1:58:08
Speaker 2: a situation where when men blame women they even demand
1:58:14
Speaker 2: that women change. They're just recognizing that women have set
1:58:18
Speaker 2: the bar at a particular place and that they now
1:58:22
Speaker 2: have to get above it. But apparently that's wrong too.
1:58:26
Speaker 2: And it's also interesting, like so she's basically this, this
1:58:29
Speaker 2: entire article has some this is her thesis, right or
1:58:33
Speaker 2: her uh conjecture. This is what she's putting forward. I
1:58:37
Speaker 2: want thesis, Like, yeah, thesis. This is her thesis that
1:58:41
Speaker 2: men are trying to look attractive, trying to trying to
1:58:46
Speaker 2: be muscular, trying to be have status and money, and
1:58:49
Speaker 2: they're doing it for completely like you know, mysterious reasons.
1:58:56
Speaker 2: Who knows why men are doing this thing, right, it
1:58:59
Speaker 2: must be the the big masculine leader board in the sky.
1:59:03
Speaker 2: Except strangely, men don't blame the great masculine leader board
1:59:08
Speaker 2: in the sky, right. They don't blame that. They blame
1:59:12
Speaker 2: women for all of the things that they're trying to
1:59:14
Speaker 2: do for no particular reason. They say, we're doing what
1:59:20
Speaker 2: women want. I mean, it's not even a situation where
1:59:23
Speaker 2: men are saying that women should not want these things, right,
1:59:27
Speaker 2: I'm saying that a lot of these guys aren't. The
1:59:30
Speaker 2: masculinity influencers aren't, because if they did say that, they
1:59:35
Speaker 2: wouldn't be encouraging you to buy you their courses. Right.
1:59:40
Speaker 2: So it's not that the men are saying that women
1:59:43
Speaker 2: should stop wanting these things, especially the masculinity influencers. They're
1:59:48
Speaker 2: just saying that they do. And she is upset over that.
1:59:53
Speaker 2: She's saying, no, we can't have that. Men can't even
1:59:56
Speaker 2: identify it is that they are attempting to increase their
2:00:02
Speaker 2: status for because that would be hatred of women. It's
2:00:09
Speaker 2: not that men can't even identify that it's actually women
2:00:14
Speaker 2: that they want to impress and have relationships with, which
2:00:18
Speaker 2: is why they're engaging in all these shenanigans at women.
2:00:21
Speaker 2: Men can't even say that that's propotent. Why does she
2:00:26
Speaker 2: have such an animus over that that statement in particular?
2:00:30
Speaker 2: That's my what do you think, Brian? Is there a
2:00:33
Speaker 2: reason for towards what statement in particular that men are
2:00:38
Speaker 2: doing all of this stuff for women?
2:00:41
Speaker 1: Oh?
2:00:41
Speaker 2: Why does she haven't? Yeah?
2:00:44
Speaker 1: Why does she have a problem Because because it might
2:00:47
Speaker 1: highlight the fact that anything that men are doing to
2:00:51
Speaker 1: themselves is directly related to what women are doing. And
2:00:57
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to say that women do anything except
2:01:01
Speaker 1: you know, be affected by stuff, So they can't possibly like,
2:01:06
Speaker 1: in this worldview, it's impossible to see a scenario where
2:01:12
Speaker 1: the oppressor men can be affected, influenced, harmed, or even
2:01:18
Speaker 1: like feel pressure from the oppressed, which is women. So
2:01:22
Speaker 1: none of that can exist. So instead they just have
2:01:25
Speaker 1: to act like, well, men are just doing that for
2:01:27
Speaker 1: other men they're doing or they just won't they won't
2:01:29
Speaker 1: explain it at all. She doesn't really say why. She's
2:01:32
Speaker 1: just like, well, men, I don't know what they're doing.
2:01:33
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're trying to get paid and
2:01:36
Speaker 1: you know, work a job and be in good shape.
2:01:38
Speaker 1: I don't know why anyone does any of those things.
2:01:40
Speaker 1: I don't know why anyone makes an effort. And this
2:01:42
Speaker 1: is like setting aside the fact that it might not
2:01:45
Speaker 1: be because of women, It might just be for their
2:01:47
Speaker 1: own for their own health, right. They might just have
2:01:50
Speaker 1: been raised that way to be like, yeah, I care
2:01:52
Speaker 1: about my fitness, I care about my diet whatever. But
2:01:57
Speaker 1: just the act of doing that, like the act of
2:01:59
Speaker 1: self improvement for men, is a problem. I think that
2:02:03
Speaker 1: they want men to be weak and passive and dependent
2:02:08
Speaker 1: on the state like women are. That's what they want,
2:02:12
Speaker 1: but men they won't do that because they know the
2:02:15
Speaker 1: system won't take care of them. But I mean, besides that,
2:02:19
Speaker 1: they also understand, they learn early that if they don't
2:02:22
Speaker 1: like figure it out on their on their own somehow,
2:02:26
Speaker 1: or work with other men, they're going to die. They're
2:02:29
Speaker 1: going to die hungry, homeless, and alone. So they just
2:02:33
Speaker 1: do what they gotta do. And these people they nitpick
2:02:36
Speaker 1: at that, like why are you doing, why are you
2:02:38
Speaker 1: trying things? Why are you making an effort? Why are
2:02:42
Speaker 1: you working? You know, well, without recognizing they obviously don't
2:02:47
Speaker 1: feel the pressure the same way that men do. They're
2:02:50
Speaker 1: just like, well, I don't know, I'm just over here
2:02:52
Speaker 1: in my Manhattan comdo writing these bullshit articles because you know,
2:02:57
Speaker 1: my parents and my boyfriend and a couple of these
2:03:00
Speaker 1: like hangers on guys are like helping me pay for everything.
2:03:04
Speaker 1: So why why are you broke? Why are you struggling?
2:03:08
Speaker 1: And Yeah, and the fact that men are trying to
2:03:12
Speaker 1: do something to like improve the situation that bothers them
2:03:15
Speaker 1: more than if they were just like like, she's not
2:03:18
Speaker 1: writing an article about like homeless people, like homeless men
2:03:22
Speaker 1: that are just like starving and dying in the streets
2:03:25
Speaker 1: and the cold, because they're not people to her. She
2:03:27
Speaker 1: doesn't even see them. She's only concerned with the men
2:03:31
Speaker 1: who are trying not to end up like that.
2:03:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:03:36
Speaker 1: So so.
2:03:38
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of making an effort, let me make one
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Speaker 2: to start introducing something that actually says the truth about
2:04:07
Speaker 2: men and what they are and what they do. Yeah,
2:04:12
Speaker 2: that's it, Like what we're battling is an entire culture
2:04:17
Speaker 2: of lies about men that's underselling them as partners. So
2:04:23
Speaker 2: the only real solution to that is, I mean, you
2:04:25
Speaker 2: can you can continue to try to vault to get
2:04:31
Speaker 2: over the oppression bar that feminists set with the whole
2:04:36
Speaker 2: men oppressed women. I mean, of course China also has
2:04:39
Speaker 2: this problem, and I don't think they have the same
2:04:41
Speaker 2: amount of feminism or do they.
2:04:43
Speaker 1: I don't know China they have feminism China, Yeah, yeah,
2:04:48
Speaker 1: I just I just covered a story about this like
2:04:52
Speaker 1: gotcha game that's for women. Well, it's aimed at women,
2:04:57
Speaker 1: and the women, the Chinese women specifically, they like canceled
2:05:04
Speaker 1: like one of the fictional characters that the gotcha game
2:05:09
Speaker 1: was about to introduce. It's like all over x. I
2:05:12
Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. I think it's called Love
2:05:14
Speaker 1: and Deep Space. It's it's a romanticy gotcha game with
2:05:18
Speaker 1: a bunch of like you know where Wolf Ceo types
2:05:20
Speaker 1: in it. And yeah, so Chinese women still women, it's
2:05:25
Speaker 1: the same. They can't get rid of feminism. I mean,
2:05:28
Speaker 1: especially because like Mao is, China like used feminism to
2:05:32
Speaker 1: start the fucking cultural revolution. Do you think you're gonna
2:05:36
Speaker 1: shake that off, even though like she is trying to
2:05:38
Speaker 1: like tamp down on it. Their replacement rates are in
2:05:41
Speaker 1: the toilet too, by the way, So yeah.
2:05:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, it just it's it seems like it's
2:05:49
Speaker 2: really like I noticed that there's somebody in the chat
2:05:51
Speaker 2: who's like, you know, what's the point? Well, I get that,
2:05:58
Speaker 2: like for a long time been really depressed about all
2:06:01
Speaker 2: of this and feeling like, wow, what the hell, what's
2:06:05
Speaker 2: the point? Right? But the truth is, you do what
2:06:10
Speaker 2: you can. And I know what I can do is
2:06:15
Speaker 2: I can research this stuff. I can go in I
2:06:19
Speaker 2: can find all of the problems with their arguments, you know, logically,
2:06:23
Speaker 2: and I can also look at the the data that
2:06:25
Speaker 2: they put forward about men and contradict it and like
2:06:29
Speaker 2: give the counter argument. I can present the argument that
2:06:33
Speaker 2: men are valuable, that men's love is good and important,
2:06:40
Speaker 2: right yeah. And I can do it on a podcast.
2:06:43
Speaker 2: I can try to write a book, which is something
2:06:47
Speaker 2: that I am thinking about doing it. I'm thinking of
2:06:49
Speaker 2: calling it everything you know about men is wrong, because
2:06:52
Speaker 2: this is this problem is not just in feminism, it's
2:06:54
Speaker 2: also in anthropology. But it's like you can't you can't
2:06:58
Speaker 2: look at that in the like. For me, I can't
2:07:01
Speaker 2: look at the gigantic thing that I'm facing and be like,
2:07:07
Speaker 2: give up, right, stop trying, stop trying to support things,
2:07:11
Speaker 2: stop trying to fight just because it's big. I guess
2:07:19
Speaker 2: it's because I just don't want these lies to stand.
2:07:22
Speaker 2: And I will do everything I can to keep to
2:07:25
Speaker 2: keep going forward and to keep fighting for the truth
2:07:28
Speaker 2: and for men and the truth about men in particular.
2:07:32
Speaker 2: So that's I mean, that's my answer. You do what
2:07:34
Speaker 2: you can, right, and you continue to do what you
2:07:37
Speaker 2: can for as long as you have the resources to
2:07:40
Speaker 2: do it, and then I guess you lie down and die.
2:07:44
Speaker 2: That's life. So anyway, if you would like to help
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Speaker 2: out feed the badger dock com slash support, let's uh
2:07:53
Speaker 2: we if we keep together, if we keep supporting each other,
2:07:55
Speaker 2: I think we'll we'll get through this. And at some
2:07:58
Speaker 2: point I will be putting out What I want to
2:08:02
Speaker 2: do is I want to compile a document that just
2:08:06
Speaker 2: goes through all of the shit that I've seen being
2:08:08
Speaker 2: published about men. And it's not just feminism. It's also
2:08:12
Speaker 2: an anthropology, ethnology, ethnographic studies, it's in sociology. I mean
2:08:19
Speaker 2: a good portion of it is in the psychology of
2:08:22
Speaker 2: men in masculinities field. That thing needs to that thing
2:08:25
Speaker 2: needs to be removed from society with prejudice because it
2:08:30
Speaker 2: is it. It's unbelievable. But yeah, I'm gonna I'm actually
2:08:34
Speaker 2: in the process of compiling everything. So don't think that
2:08:37
Speaker 2: your support goes nowhere. I mean, obviously it doesn't. We
2:08:41
Speaker 2: do this every day. But also I'm doing what I can,
2:08:45
Speaker 2: which is putting forth a good argument for why the
2:08:49
Speaker 2: way we look at men is wrong, the way that
2:08:52
Speaker 2: feminists look at men is wrong anyway. So if you
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2:08:59
Speaker 2: with your help, will be able to continue. And uh
2:09:04
Speaker 2: probably you know, it's up to you guys. All right, Brian,
2:09:07
Speaker 2: let's how much more of this.
2:09:09
Speaker 1: Discim quite a bit. I mean it's almost done. Yeah,
2:09:18
Speaker 1: it's almost done. Well, we'll just finish this off, I think. Okay,
2:09:24
Speaker 1: social media is full of smoke and mirrors. It's also
2:09:27
Speaker 1: full of narratives that blame women for anything and everything.
2:09:29
Speaker 1: Already read that bit. Okay, men aren't in crisis because
2:09:32
Speaker 1: women gain rights and opportunities, or because feminism exists. Intersectional
2:09:37
Speaker 1: feminism actually works to dismantle the rigid hierarchies that contribute
2:09:41
Speaker 1: to this situation. And while some women still judge men
2:09:44
Speaker 1: by the signs of their wallets, it's overwhelmingly not women
2:09:47
Speaker 1: building the media empires and selling courses that prey on
2:09:50
Speaker 1: male insecurity. It's other men again. You see what she
2:09:54
Speaker 1: did does there? It's not women that it's it's but
2:09:59
Speaker 1: women are not help helping men, like get anything together.
2:10:02
Speaker 1: They're just sitting there saying, what are you gonna do
2:10:04
Speaker 1: for me? That's why they're not helping men. So other
2:10:08
Speaker 1: men are gonna help men, and some of them, yes,
2:10:10
Speaker 1: are gonna exploit that. But why is that there to exploit?
2:10:15
Speaker 1: But you're just gonna say capitalism or something? So whatever,
2:10:22
Speaker 1: should I keep going? I will. The real crisis men
2:10:27
Speaker 1: face stems from worsening inequality, declining social mobility, and precarious masculinity,
2:10:34
Speaker 1: all of which create fertile ground for an epidemic of
2:10:37
Speaker 1: status anxiety. Entire industries then emerge to exploit this fear
2:10:41
Speaker 1: at scale. What about the one that exploited it be
2:10:45
Speaker 1: to start it off? What about that industry? That one's
2:10:47
Speaker 1: multi billion dollar, if not trillion dollar. The pressure to
2:10:51
Speaker 1: self optimize becomes relentless, sometimes pushing men towards more extreme behaviors,
2:10:57
Speaker 1: and the overall result is a generation of young men
2:10:59
Speaker 1: caught and a status arms race, too preoccupied to challenge
2:11:03
Speaker 1: the very system that traps them. Because running on the
2:11:05
Speaker 1: optimization treadmill is much like running on the masculinity treadmill,
2:11:09
Speaker 1: there is no finish line. Okay, this is the end,
2:11:14
Speaker 1: This is the end right here. Okay, There's naturally nothing
2:11:17
Speaker 1: wrong with wanting to be healthy, live longer, grow as
2:11:20
Speaker 1: a person, or take care of your body and mind. Ideally,
2:11:23
Speaker 1: we should all be able to do that if we
2:11:24
Speaker 1: want to, while also setting aside time and energy for spontaneity, play, community, rests,
2:11:30
Speaker 1: and just doing nothing. How many people today can afford
2:11:33
Speaker 1: to do that, though, at the end of the day,
2:11:35
Speaker 1: neither individual men, nor women, nor anyone else can easily
2:11:38
Speaker 1: optimize themselves out of problems that are fundamentally structural. That's
2:11:44
Speaker 1: the end. So they tear down the structure. Just tear
2:11:47
Speaker 1: it down. It's okay, I'm sure men will be the
2:11:50
Speaker 1: ones that are gonna get taken care of if we
2:11:52
Speaker 1: tear it all down. Sure that won't come out of it. Okay,
2:11:56
Speaker 1: that was the article. Allison, I'm sufficiently.
2:12:00
Speaker 2: Irris Okay, yeah, yeah, no, thank yous yet, so again
2:12:08
Speaker 2: be the badger'll calm slash support. We're pretty close three
2:12:12
Speaker 2: hundred ands. I think three hundred and sixty. I could
2:12:18
Speaker 2: take a look. What do I want to say about that?
2:12:26
Speaker 2: Let me think, Well, we finished the article, so yeah, yeah,
2:12:36
Speaker 2: I don't know.
2:12:40
Speaker 1: Just like it's just shit, all right, I got I
2:12:43
Speaker 1: got a couple of rumble rants and then that's it.
2:12:46
Speaker 1: I'll just read them really quick. So Nova fan twenty
2:12:48
Speaker 1: one gave us a dollar and said, imagine how much
2:12:51
Speaker 1: society would be improved if men blamed women even one
2:12:54
Speaker 1: percent of what the feminists believe men did, even if
2:12:56
Speaker 1: the men were all in the wrong. Then he says
2:13:01
Speaker 1: for another dollar. What infuriates me about feminists like her
2:13:04
Speaker 1: is when she blames quote unquote toxic masculinity, she denies
2:13:08
Speaker 1: and deflects any and all women that influence the very
2:13:11
Speaker 1: male traits she despises. Yeah, uh yeah. They don't want
2:13:16
Speaker 1: to solve problems. They want to complain, and because this
2:13:20
Speaker 1: is exactly what it should be. So we're not dealing
2:13:24
Speaker 1: with rational people, it's all I'm saying. They just want
2:13:28
Speaker 1: what they want. They just want what they want.
2:13:32
Speaker 2: So and the funny thing is that she does not
2:13:39
Speaker 2: understand that somebody has to produce things and maintain things,
2:13:43
Speaker 2: Like I don't think she understands that at all. The
2:13:46
Speaker 2: thing is, and how do you make that happen? Right?
2:13:52
Speaker 2: How do you how do you make how do you
2:13:54
Speaker 2: get women to understand the water level test when many
2:13:57
Speaker 2: of them fail it? And they fail it because they
2:14:00
Speaker 2: can't see through the symbol to the substrate underneath, to
2:14:04
Speaker 2: the fact that this is a symbol of a glass
2:14:06
Speaker 2: and when you tilt the glass the water level changes.
2:14:09
Speaker 2: Because they think in symbols and they think in abstract
2:14:13
Speaker 2: like they think in relations. They don't have the same
2:14:17
Speaker 2: instinct to just go to the substrate like men do,
2:14:20
Speaker 2: which is why men needed to be marginalized in the
2:14:22
Speaker 2: first place. You're going to construct an economy entirely out
2:14:26
Speaker 2: of symbols, then you've got to get rid of the
2:14:28
Speaker 2: people who see through them to what the symbols represent
2:14:32
Speaker 2: and can tell when when they're not representing them accurately anymore. Right,
2:14:38
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing, that's the whole shebang in a nutshell,
2:14:44
Speaker 2: So I don't know it's you just have to keep
2:14:48
Speaker 2: calling it out. Yeah, and you have to be clear,
2:14:54
Speaker 2: and you have to explain what went wrong. And when
2:14:58
Speaker 2: people are ready to understand what went wrong, then maybe
2:15:03
Speaker 2: we can start putting things right. I don't know if
2:15:07
Speaker 2: I want to use the word right, but less less dysfunctional.
2:15:13
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, what okay? Every time a woman fails the
2:15:19
Speaker 2: water level test, take a drink? Hm oh man. Yeah, well,
2:15:26
Speaker 2: I guess I'll do the final shill. Okay, because it
2:15:30
Speaker 2: still hasn't moved, feed the badger dot com slash just
2:15:34
Speaker 2: the tip we did get about we got we chewed
2:15:37
Speaker 2: off about one hundred dollars, so we're now three hundred
2:15:39
Speaker 2: and sixty left. We have about eight hours, a little
2:15:45
Speaker 2: less than eight hours left in the fundraiser. So if
2:15:48
Speaker 2: you are listening to this after the show is over,
2:15:51
Speaker 2: there's still a bit more time to put something in
2:15:54
Speaker 2: if you can, If you would, hopefully, I know that
2:15:57
Speaker 2: I don't have a heck of a lot positive to say.
2:15:59
Speaker 2: I don't know what's positive here? What would be positive?
2:16:02
Speaker 2: What would be a positive message in all of this?
2:16:05
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys can tell me for me the positive
2:16:09
Speaker 2: messages that I continue to be able to do this,
2:16:12
Speaker 2: and that we continue to be able to fight back,
2:16:14
Speaker 2: and we continue to be able to say our piece
2:16:17
Speaker 2: despite the fact that what we say is not something
2:16:20
Speaker 2: YouTube likes. I mean, we've been able to say exactly
2:16:24
Speaker 2: what we think because you guys have supported us. We
2:16:27
Speaker 2: haven't had to chase the algorithm. Right, So if you
2:16:30
Speaker 2: want to continue that winning streak, feed the Badger dot
2:16:34
Speaker 2: Com slash just the tip. I certainly do. No sorry,
2:16:36
Speaker 2: feed the Badger dot Com slash support. I certainly do,
2:16:40
Speaker 2: and I guess I'll hand it. I guess I'll hand
2:16:43
Speaker 2: it back to Brian.
2:16:44
Speaker 1: All Right, I got another super im sorry rumble, No
2:16:47
Speaker 1: super chat is a super chat. I'll read this and
2:16:49
Speaker 1: then I'll wrap it up. So mister Nubad says, for
2:16:53
Speaker 1: five dollars, I certainly don't know about love and deep
2:16:55
Speaker 1: space and Silas isn't best boy. Okay, So you do know, Okay,
2:17:00
Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about it, but I know
2:17:02
Speaker 1: they added another male romance option, and Chinese women and
2:17:07
Speaker 1: just women in general got really upset because they wanted
2:17:11
Speaker 1: them to spend more of their programming time and development
2:17:16
Speaker 1: time on one of their favorite dude in the game.
2:17:21
Speaker 1: And they were upset that they were like using some
2:17:23
Speaker 1: of their resources to add another character. That was what
2:17:27
Speaker 1: it was about. So all right, thank you for the
2:17:29
Speaker 1: super chat, and thank you guys for everything you've done.
2:17:33
Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll get across the finish line today. If you
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