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Mountain Biking, Poison Oak & Raising Kids Wildly with Casey Botts | Go Wildly Podcast · Go Wildly Podcast

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  Welcome to Season 2 of Go Wildly podcast.
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  Love it, we live. Oh, do you?
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  I live like Callahan's. Oh no.
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  Wow. Dope.
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  So this is good of. Money is way cheaper.
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  Yeah, yeah, with. Land.
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  Yeah, I mean like I pay the same property taxes that I did on 1/4
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  acre lot in Ashland and I have 10 acres.
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  Wow. Oh, that's sick.
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  That's great. So it's like, do you have a
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  little mountain biking pump track there?
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  Oh yeah, I got. I got.
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  We should have, we should have just did that your place that
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  would that would have been sick. Change location.
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  Location. Next time, next time.
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  Yeah, I I run EVO classes up there.
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  OK, that's what I thought because I've seen, you know, the
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  videos on your Instagram and stuff.
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  I. Have an airbag?
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  Yeah, sick. Probably 5 trails, about 150
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  feet of elevation drop. That's sick.
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  Yeah, so I can. Go out there on the E bike in
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  like 40 minutes at the end of the day and get like.
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  Just get your stove on sick. Or the acoustic if I'm feeling.
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  Rowdy yeah, I feel like you want an actual workout.
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  I don't know you can I try to explain to people like you can
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  still get that on the E bikes, It just takes that edge off, I
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  mean. Do you have to have the
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  electricity running? You don't have to, but then it's
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  like such a heavy bike. Really.
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  Do it without, Yeah, I mean. Through Extra.
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  Workout. Yeah.
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  You guys probably going? To put me in front, I like to
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  walk. Fast.
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  OK, well yeah, get the hell back.
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  Well. We'll, we'll.
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  Introduce you. Yeah.
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  Should we do that right now? We know what we're doing.
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  OK Hey, good morning. Hello.
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  After whatever time of day you're watching this today on Go
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  Wildly, we are excited to be joined by Casey Bonds.
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  Casey grew up in Marin County, California, the birth place of
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  mountain biking. So it's probably no surprise
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  that life on two wheels and in wild places has always been a
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  part of his story. In 2016, he moved to Ashland
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  with his wife and two daughters, drawn by the chance to raise his
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  kids in a place where the outdoors is part of everyday
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  life. Hell yeah.
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  Where we are today? Yep.
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  Yep. When he's not out trail running,
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  mountain biking, hiking, split boarding, backpacking or
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  belaying his kids while they climb, it's a long list of
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  activities. I don't.
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  Really like rock climbing. You like to stay on the ground,
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  That's fair. Casey is helping to build the
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  next generation of riders. He Co founded the Ashland Devo
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  Youth Mountain Biking program in 2019 after first launching the
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  Rogue Composite Youth Mountain Bike team a couple years
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  earlier. In 2018, Casey stepped away from
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  his career as a firefighter to stay home with his daughters and
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  pour his energy into building youth cycling opportunities in
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  the Rogue Valley while his wife continued her work as a labor
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  and delivery nurse. Casey's story is about family,
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  trails and community, and we're excited to talk with him about
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  building something meaningful in On Two Wheels right here in
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  Southern Oregon. Hell yeah.
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  Two wheels, what you like. And today we are in Ashland.
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  We are heading up the Acid Castles trail up above Ashland,
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  OR and it's a beautiful sunny day so these are some of the
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  best views of Ashland. Yeah, 100%, yeah, yeah, Yeah,
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  you can. It's kind of the secret view
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  spot is across the freeway, but there's not too many trails.
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  There's a couple like the city owns some land over there.
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  You can kind of poach a little bit, but that's where you get
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  like the classic shots from. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  This is this. Is probably my favorite though,
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  yeah. Because it's so accessible from
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  town. Accessible and like you get into
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  the watershed and there's bigger, bigger fir and pine
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  trees and the views are obstructed a little more and
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  then this little like scrubby oak, kind of like madrone zone
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  that's a little lower elevation makes it nice, nice viewpoints
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  yeah. And all the trees are dying.
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  And the more you cut them, the better views get a.
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  Plus side aside on Ashland. Yeah.
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  Well, kind of just a little bit of luck.
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  My in laws have a ranch in Roseburg OR so about what 2
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  hours north of here. And when they moved here or to
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  Roseburg, we were still in the Bay Area and we would drive up
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  to visit them. And this was always like the
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  stopping point to, you know, get, get out and rest.
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  OK, Get out and you know, rest the legs or rest the whatever
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  muscles you use when you drive. To use the mind.
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  The mind. So we'd stop in Lithia and walk
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  around and get some get some healthy food from the Co-op, you
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  know, and whatever. It's kind of like this little
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  Oasis on the drive where we could actually get some pretty
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  good hangout time. And yeah, we liked it so much
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  that me and my wife took an anniversary trip up here and
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  spent some more time and we were like, wow, wouldn't this be a
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  cool place? Sure.
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  To. Arrange to raise our kids and
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  like, you know, be a part of like the trails were amazing.
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  I would bring bikes up and go, go go for a quick ride and we
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  kind of looked at each other like, wow, that might just be
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  crazy enough to crazy. Enough to.
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  Pull off Yeah. So I was a firefighter at the
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  time and firefighters were. Urban firefighter.
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  I was at the time, yeah. OK, wait, you don't have a
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  mustache? Well, I don't work there
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  anymore. That's a requirement.
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  Yeah, you got to filter out that smoke, right?
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  Is that is that what they say? I think like in the 1800s,
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  that's what they said, and then it stayed a tradition.
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  Yeah, yeah, we have some gnarly mustaches on the street anyways.
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  Mustache competitions. Yeah, here and there over the
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  years. I've had one a couple times in
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  my life, but I've never had like the curly Q1.
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  Where they really go off pretty hard to.
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  Maintain I think. Yeah, I know.
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  You got to have the wax. You got to have the.
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  Wax, I love this mustache conversation.
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  Actually, I have a mustache. Oh yeah, your finger.
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  My finger. Cool, cool.
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  You took an anniversary. Trip.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. So we anyways firefighting the
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  schedule kind of allows you to live far away from where you
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  work. A lot of times, really.
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  And so it's like. Why is that?
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  Though because you work blocks of days, so I would work like
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  the normal schedule would be two days on, four days off.
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  But you work 48 hours, right? Like you're waking up at night
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  and doing it all. So then you do trades and you
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  can work like 4 days on, 8 days off.
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  And then it becomes really doable to live far away.
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  Because I worked in West Sacramento and don't want to
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  offend anybody, but I wanted to live as far away as I could from
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  Sacramento and this was a good fit anyway, so I was able to do
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  that. So right up here, we're going
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  to. Cut back under that.
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  Go up here if we can. And you just live at the fire
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  station when you're working. So there was no.
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  So it was like a four hour drive, you know, 4 hour drive, 4
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  * a month to get from here to there, which I thought was
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  doable. So are we going this way?
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  Yeah, we'll go that way. Yeah.
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  So we made the move. I guess that's it in a nutshell.
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  We were trying to get away from the traffic and kind of like.
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  California prices California. Vibe, I mean, I grew up there,
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  but I wanted to be kind of closer to bigger mountains and
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  activities than I had. We had good stuff in the Bay
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  Area, but it's all kind of like, look, don't touch like you walk
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  around the reservoirs, but you better not swim in them or.
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  Yeah, yeah. No driving on the fire roads,
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  that kind of thing. And the access was just so
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  incredible here. That was a big draw.
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  Why? Do you have an idea or know why
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  it was so limited there in that way like?
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  Just a lot of like. Just too many people.
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  Or most historical. I think it's historical, just
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  kind of the, I don't know, the vibe of California is a lot of
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  like manage over management and. Well, there's a lot of people.
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  I feel like it's more. People.
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  You have to regulate more when there's so many more looking.
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  For. Yeah, but then, you know, if you
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  don't regulate it, then you wind up with like trash dumps
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  everywhere. Right, right.
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  That's. So.
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  But I felt like it went too far the other way.
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  Like there's barely any mountain bike legal single track in Marin
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  County. What?
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  Because the horse lobbyists. Are so.
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  Huge and very well funded. Whoa.
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  So historically they've just sued every project there until
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  it doesn't happen. That's sad.
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  So yeah, did you? Say the.
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  Forest or. Forks Horse.
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  Yeah. Nay, they say.
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  Nay, damn. Yeah.
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  I didn't realize that that was such like a big pool.
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  That's such a big pool. I.
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  Mean it's still like the same amount of people relative to
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  mountain bikers and hikers, which is like, I don't want to
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  throw out the wrong number, but .5% of the user group maybe
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  yeah, maybe less, but I've. Just been.
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  Yeah, that's a good view. Yeah.
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  So kind of looking around and thinking like, I want someone
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  with better access, less traffic.
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  Four Seasons was kind of a drop. Four Seasons.
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  You know, I lived the day trip to Tahoe life for several years.
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  Heck yeah. Which is a lot of driving, but
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  people in the Bay Area just do it.
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  And then once you live somewhere where you don't have to, you're
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  like, Oh my God, I can't believe I did that.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I'm going down for.
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  I'll have to ask you where some good places are to actually ride
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  now that I know it's so limited. There's spots, but for sure.
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  Yeah, my girlfriend, she lives in Concord, so like right
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  outside of Oakland. Yeah, she lives on this Butte
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  area. Like the backing, like her house
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  kind of backs up to this like kind of like Cathedral Hills
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  vibe. Yeah, I don't know that sound
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  very well. The other thing about the area
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  is that like you are like sucked into your zone.
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  So like that, I probably grew up like 25 miles from Concord, but
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  I don't know if I've ever like been there other than driving
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  through or like riding the trails.
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  It's not like, oh, I'm just going to go to mountain on the
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  road. Right, yeah, 'cause it'll.
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  Probably take 3 hours to get to Concord most times.
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  Yeah, I don't know. We're going to try to go ride, I
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  don't know, somewhere. Maybe in the Santa Cruz
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  Mountains too. We'll see.
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  What? What's.
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  Yeah, maybe. Potentially.
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  That'll be cool. I haven't.
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  Yeah, I've ridden there like once or twice, but mostly all my
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  riding was in Marin and Sonoma counties, OK, down there.
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  So you started mountain biking pretty young?
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  Yeah, super young, like 10 maybe.
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  OK my dad was a big like OG mountain biker.
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  He's since kind of switched to hiking just cuz he's getting
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  older and still staying. Active.
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  Though super active, he just did the JMT like 2 years ago.
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  Wow. That's awesome.
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  That's gonna be me. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I have some Airbnb guests right now that are in their
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  probably like early 70s that are here visiting to train for doing
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  the PCT. Oh, nice.
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  That's. Just.
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  That acid inspiring. Yeah, my dad, he turned 70 in
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  November, and last June he came up and myself, my daughters and
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  him, we all did the Ashland Hill climb.
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  Cool. So it's 3 generations.
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  On the hill climb that's. Awesome, that's sick.
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  Yeah. So.
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  So your dad got you into mountain biking young?
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  He set a good example. He would ride his bike to work
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  from Marin to San Francisco and instead of just like commuting,
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  he would like ride up and over Mount Tam on a mountain bike.
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  So like, his commute was literally a mountain bike ride.
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  And it didn't have to be, which I grew to really appreciate as I
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  got older. But yeah, so occasion, I mean,
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  it feels like every Sunday morning, but it was probably
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  like, 4. Like, he would wake me up early,
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  like, you know, before the sun came up, and we would go do a
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  full ride and come back before everybody in my family woke up,
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  like my siblings. And I just remember, like,
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  instantly thinking that was the coolest thing.
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  Like you're out, you're out in these nature environments and
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  like looking at these reservoirs and like the fogs coming up.
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  And we had like a log where it was like hot chocolate log where
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  he'd like pull out the hot chocolate and you know.
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  It's just like, that's cool. He's really creating those core
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  memories. Yeah, and he like, you know, now
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  we know, like, we can like, look at like an influencer or
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  whatever and be like, well, that's a good idea.
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  But like, he was just shooting from the hip.
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  He's like, well, this log looks good for hot chocolate.
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  Like yeah, no, he's an OG. Yeah.
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  So. Yeah, yeah.
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  So yeah, I started riding super young.
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  I, I had a group of probably like four or five friends who
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  were into it as well. And then then like right after
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  that, a couple years later, it became like the freedom of like,
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  oh, now I'm 5th, 6th, 7th grader and I can get on this machine
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  and like go away from everybody else with my friends and just
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  experience, you know, the independence.
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  And that was like a big thing. We hear that a lot.
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  That's the trend in the Elise, Larry's and some, I think
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  someone else's. It's like it's an independent
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  machine. Yeah, Someone shows you how to
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  do it, and then you do it and you're responsible for, you
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  know, everything on your own. And I remember like really
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  early, you know, like when you live in Moran, you and you ride
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  bikes. You either get bored of riding
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  mountain bikes or you start poaching trails because you get
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  sick of fire roads all the time. So I.
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  What's poaching trails mean? So poaching trails is like
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  trails that you're not supposed to ride your bike on, but
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  sometimes they're really fun to ride your bike on.
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  And it's definitely like in the culture in Marin, because
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  there's been no path to access. So it's kind of like, well.
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  You make your own path. Yeah.
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  And you know, as an 11 or 12 year old, you're not thinking
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  about repercussions or anything. So yeah, we were out there as
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  like little groms, just like ripping through Madrone Canyon
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  and the Kent Woodlands and, and, and like, not a fear in the
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  world of what happens if you get caught and never did, but
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  definitely pretty cool. You feel like you're in Star
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  Wars, you know, riding through the redwoods and.
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's just like instant
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  hooked, you know, I went away from it in high school.
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  I play team sports. I've always been like pretty big
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  on the values of team sports. But yeah, I probably when I was
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  19, I got back into it with my brother who was younger.
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  He was probably 14 at the time. We started riding a lot more and
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  then, yeah, I never really looked back from there, just
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  kept riding more and more. I was going to ask if you were
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  the only one of your siblings that your dad introduced you to
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  or? Yeah, my brother as well, My
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  sister never really got into it. She was like competitive
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  volleyball player and played in college and like that was like
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  kind of all she did. But my brother got into it and
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  maybe not as heavy as I did, but yeah, he still comes up and like
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  he can hop on a bike and he's like he rips the the skills when
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  you learn. Something.
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  Yeah. It's like riding a bike.
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  It's like you just go, you know? Yeah, I'm.
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  Trying to get Emily on a bike. Yeah, because she we can.
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  Walk and talk about that, yeah. Never.
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  Too. I know that's what I tell her
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  this. Really cool quote.
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  It was like so simple but so good and I'm going to butcher it
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  because. It's like.
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  The best memory, but it was basically like, you can think
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  you're too old to start something, but you'll never be
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  as young as you are right now. So start it, you know.
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  Yeah, it's more like just a fear.
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  A lot of I have like a weird fear and anxiety around it.
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  Yeah, I like very simply like crashed my bike into the curb at
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  my front door when I was like 6 years old and slammed my face on
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  the handlebars not to do it. And that created a trauma around
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  it. Yeah.
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  I you're open to it. You said that very open.
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  So I just need to take you out. Cruiser.
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  On a flat path, I'm shaking yeah.
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  For the. 1st 30 minutes and like I had I got a bike I'm super.
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  Uncomfortable. Well, I would just take you to a
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  school. Yeah.
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  And we would just ride very casually until.
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  We start all our younger kid programs in vivo at schools.
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  Yeah, flat ground. Yeah, very flat.
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  You know, some people have the attitude of like, oh, they'll
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  figure it out to send them out there, but that's a recipe for.
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  Disaster and the trauma that comes on.
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  I know multiple people. I just who did we talk to?
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  Was it me or somebody? I I just recently talked to
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  somebody too that just had a couple bad experiences on a bike
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  and they're like, I'm never going to get on a bike again.
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  They're like I'm. Super open and into overcoming
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  fears and facing challenges and knowing that I've done other
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  hard things and things that other people would be like.
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  I could never fucking do that right.
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  But I do really easily. So I'm into it, but it's it just
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  hasn't moved up on my priority list of.
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  Well, it's been winter. Too many.
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  Too many other fun things. You know, you know, it's funny.
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  It's like I feel how you feel about Vikings with river river
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  rafting. Interesting.
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  OK, so. White water, yeah.
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  Kindred opposite spirit. Yeah, yeah.
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  Like, I respect it and appreciate it and I, I wish I
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  could, you know, show my girls because I think they'd have a
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  blast. But like, it's absolutely.
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  Terrifying. How old are your girls?
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  13 and 12. We got a kayak camp, river
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  rafting. Yeah, we got a kayak camp, a
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  youth kayak camp coming up. Yeah, there's a.
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  New kayak camp happening in the the least area in June.
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  I think I can. Do a shout out.
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  I think I'm going to get through.
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  In June. Three, that we were trying to
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  find some sort of camp. Actually.
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  Oh, perfect. This may be serendipitous.
• 20:51
  It could be that was my I mean, I grew up on the river.
• 20:54
  My parents were river guides in the 70s.
• 20:56
  Oh cool. So it's like all we ever.
• 20:58
  Did yeah, yeah, yeah. And then?
• 21:00
  I did a youth kayak camp when I was 10 and was into it for a
• 21:06
  while and then I got more interacting and now I'm getting
• 21:09
  back into kayaking and it's like riding a bike.
• 21:13
  Single. Little.
• 21:15
  Short. Yeah, and, and really like the
• 21:18
  skills. The paddling skills have come
• 21:20
  back very, very naturally, the rolling skills a little harder.
• 21:26
  Well, no. In fact, Ashland funds a coupe
• 21:28
  collector on trails, no? That's somebody's coming back.
• 21:33
  Yeah. Loop trails people.
• 21:35
  People are coming back. For it, but hopefully you moved
• 21:37
  it over, they might not see it. No, don't worry.
• 21:42
  I always remember. And if they forget, they pick up
• 21:45
  two piles next time they're out somewhere.
• 21:47
  Yeah. 100% anyways. Yeah.
• 21:51
  So back to you siblings getting into biking.
• 21:55
  Dad got your other brother into biking open up.
• 21:58
  His sister and your child were still kind of in the like, what
• 22:04
  was it like growing up? I don't know if my dad got my
• 22:07
  other brother in the biking. I think it might have been at
• 22:08
  that point he was 5 or 6 years younger and I think like more
• 22:14
  there were just more kids biking than like the.
• 22:18
  Technology this time. I also feel like biking is just
• 22:22
  like as a kid, like that's what you do, like you have a bike
• 22:26
  and. You're always biking around town
• 22:27
  anyways. I'm.
• 22:29
  Pretty sure my sister. Was doing that.
• 22:30
  I just don't think she ever comes.
• 22:33
  But she's not in biking. Special like, yeah, I think that
• 22:36
  really is like a very link essential.
• 22:39
  Childhood like you bike, you live.
• 22:41
  Like somewhere like this where the trails are right there as a
• 22:45
  kid, it's going to be really hard for you to get that
• 22:48
  experience. True, you can get the bike
• 22:51
  experience, but like this, this is like very unique.
• 22:55
  It is, I agree. And Grants Pass has it now too.
• 23:01
  Yep, which? Is super.
• 23:03
  Cool. Yeah, it's really common.
• 23:05
  We do, literally with the Dollar Mountain baby.
• 23:09
  We're more. We still favor Cathedral.
• 23:13
  Yeah. Well.
• 23:14
  It's an intro. Yeah, there's some nice little
• 23:17
  lines too, some cool little trails, but that's just the one
• 23:21
  we like really crank out miles in for a group ride because
• 23:26
  there's no really barrier to entry as far as like a steep
• 23:30
  climb up. Yeah.
• 23:32
  Summertime, we'll switch over to motor and I'm trying to get Sean
• 23:37
  on board also with going to dollar, but Sean's not super
• 23:43
  into the steep climb in the beginning and they have like.
• 23:48
  More trails planned, would they have?
• 23:49
  Like could they reroute the climb trail?
• 23:52
  I don't know. I might.
• 23:54
  I don't know. I was thinking about doing a
• 23:57
  survey, community survey to see what everybody, or at least like
• 24:01
  the mountain bikers thought about it.
• 24:03
  Sure. Which I think would be
• 24:04
  beneficial because even Marshall said he's like, oh, that climb
• 24:09
  trail in the beginning is a little rough.
• 24:11
  Was it Marshall? I think so, yeah.
• 24:13
  Yeah. You spent some time out there.
• 24:16
  So one thing we'll just keep a heads up on the blind.
• 24:18
  Corners. Bikes.
• 24:20
  Very high speed, one of my favorite.
• 24:24
  Cool, that's what we want. So here's the acid capsules.
• 24:30
  Oh my gosh. Cool.
• 24:32
  That's. The famous.
• 24:34
  This this is all poison oak coming up.
• 24:36
  Oh, yeah, it is. It doesn't have a freeze yet.
• 24:38
  Yeah. But I've already got some.
• 24:41
  I'm not allergic. You already got like you're
• 24:43
  battling. Oh my God.
• 24:45
  Yeah, so there is a clearing up there or we can check out these
• 24:48
  rocks that one might have a tree falling, but there are some open
• 24:52
  spaces down here if you want to explore around or we can just go
• 24:55
  up to the. We can just go up to the thing,
• 24:59
  Jing. You, I mean you want to see the
• 25:01
  rocks. You've never been to the rocks.
• 25:04
  Well, I'm just my shoes. And a proper.
• 25:06
  Footwear, I really am not. I can I can appreciate them from
• 25:10
  here though. Yeah, it's good views.
• 25:12
  You're kind of I'm going to go cut that tree up, but looks.
• 25:15
  Like that tree is. Falling out.
• 25:17
  We've had some pretty epic storms the last couple weeks.
• 25:21
  Yeah, finally, yeah. Tune into our YouTube to see
• 25:25
  what this looks like. Well, I well, video on Spotify
• 25:32
  too. Yeah, but you get a better, I
• 25:34
  feel like you get a better viewer experience on YouTube.
• 25:37
  For sure, for sure. Higher quality, bigger
• 25:39
  potential, and most people aren't listening to Spotify on
• 25:42
  their computer. See up.
• 25:44
  Into the moving drainage. There.
• 25:46
  Yeah, I was just telling Emily on the way up I was like, oh, if
• 25:51
  I could get Sean to move to Ashland or just close.
• 25:55
  Like I love it here. Yeah, it's.
• 25:59
  I think we already talked about it, but like the for me it's
• 26:02
  like the winters and not having the fog.
• 26:04
  Because. Growing up in the Bay Area, it
• 26:07
  was foggy a lot. We have a ton of fog that
• 26:10
  settles in our little bowl of the valley and GP, it's, it's
• 26:13
  almost like, I don't know, it's almost right.
• 26:18
  Huh it? Affects.
• 26:19
  It can affect your mood, yeah. Oh girl.
• 26:22
  We've had many lengthy discussions about.
• 26:26
  The. The way that the fog affects the
• 26:27
  mood and how either you succumb to it or.
• 26:30
  You have to. Work really hard to.
• 26:31
  That's the. Thing, yeah, overcome it.
• 26:33
  It's same with like winter in general.
• 26:35
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:36
  So like, I love winter. My wife is not a snow sports
• 26:39
  person. Yeah, you either have to have an
• 26:43
  activity. That.
• 26:45
  Brings you life. Yeah, let's do it.
• 26:47
  Brings you life at that time or you have to accept that we are
• 26:52
  bears and we must also hibernate, yeah.
• 26:56
  Maybe it's a time to chill. For sure and.
• 26:59
  We just have to like, settle down.
• 27:00
  The days are short, so like, you feel it's like 4:00 and you
• 27:04
  skied, you know, all day for me. And I'm like, wow, it's getting
• 27:08
  dark. Like my day's over?
• 27:09
  Yeah, well done. I can go relax. 9:00 And I'm
• 27:12
  like, I need to be doing something.
• 27:14
  I'm so tired. Yeah, I I like that.
• 27:18
  Also about winter, that it's just like, OK, yeah, it's dark,
• 27:21
  time to chill. Yep.
• 27:22
  Yep. There's no reason to be read a
• 27:27
  good book cool, drink some hot chocolate that's.
• 27:31
  Good. Yeah, totally.
• 27:32
  I I don't know, I had a pretty hard time with the fog this
• 27:34
  year, but I also. Well, the less rainy it is, the
• 27:39
  foggier it's gonna be. Yeah.
• 27:40
  So that's like the inverse. Right.
• 27:43
  And where I live it's we don't even get the ashen fog where I
• 27:46
  live, which is pretty. Sweet.
• 27:47
  You're above it. Yep.
• 27:48
  Nice. Yeah.
• 27:49
  And we pay for the extra commute time.
• 27:53
  Yeah, but pretty nice to have loose guy got my girls off.
• 27:57
  I'm like, have fun in the frog right back up to my place and
• 28:01
  it's like do. You have to commute in every
• 28:04
  day. Yeah, yeah, we're like 1617
• 28:07
  minutes from their school. OK, but it's.
• 28:09
  A really pretty drive. There is a bus but it rolls
• 28:12
  through it like 720. I don't feel like being that
• 28:15
  mean to my kids. Yeah, that's nice of you.
• 28:17
  And then it comes back at like 445.
• 28:19
  That's a lot of bus time. Yeah, that's a long day.
• 28:22
  That's a work. Day, it's not worth it for a
• 28:24
  child. And like we work schedules, we
• 28:27
  kind of designed our, our schedules around, you know,
• 28:33
  having one parent around the kids all the time.
• 28:36
  So I'm not just going to sit there and wait for the bus like
• 28:39
  I'm going to go if it was 10 minutes, I I worked, but it's an
• 28:43
  hour. Yeah, you know, yeah.
• 28:44
  I'd rather hang out with them. That's good quality, valuable
• 28:49
  time. Yeah, 100%.
• 28:50
  Every minute that you have with them is, yeah, precious.
• 28:54
  Can I help set one up? Or yeah, hold on, I'm just
• 28:57
  getting this, getting this dialed in a little bit, setting
• 29:06
  up all chairs thing is getting dialed.
• 29:09
  Marks are. That's where the bikes.
• 29:12
  There's a trail right here and it's really high speed.
• 29:14
  I don't know if we'll see anybody.
• 29:16
  It's probably kind of rare, but they'll see us.
• 29:20
  OK, are they going off the side here randomly?
• 29:23
  Just stop. Slow down here that'd.
• 29:26
  Be scary. Yeah, down there, Yeah, you get
• 29:32
  poisoned. Up.
• 29:34
  Yeah, you roll. End up poisoned up.
• 29:41
  Ching Ching, Oh my God, I got. Bit yeah, it does.
• 29:45
  It is. A girl not that bad compared to
• 29:47
  how I would normally get it. I used to get it really bad and
• 29:51
  I just wildland firefighting. For.
• 29:54
  Like a decade almost, and I would just get it.
• 29:58
  But I liked the job so much I didn't care.
• 30:00
  I used to put my boots on with latex gloves.
• 30:03
  Yeah, yeah. Every morning.
• 30:05
  Did you? Ever find any kind of trick to
• 30:09
  reduce your reaction or? Yeah, I, I think they're all
• 30:15
  like anecdotal, but gosh, what would I do?
• 30:19
  So like immediately after you think you've been in it, you
• 30:22
  have to take like. A cold shower A.
• 30:25
  Cold shower, like nothing hot, you know, because the heat will
• 30:29
  spread it early. But then I found that after it's
• 30:32
  gotten, I never found the heat to like, spread it after a
• 30:36
  couple days, Yeah. Once it's been.
• 30:38
  Washed off it the only way that the only place that it shows up
• 30:42
  is where it already originally touched.
• 30:43
  Yeah, exactly. And I think a lot of people
• 30:46
  don't. Believe that a lot of people
• 30:48
  think that the oil in the rash continues to spread.
• 30:52
  I'll do it. And it's it's not like that.
• 30:55
  It's only the initial contact and then once it's been unless
• 30:59
  you keep making contact with the oil.
• 31:01
  Or unless you get it like systemically, yeah, that's the
• 31:04
  curveball. Yeah.
• 31:06
  But I never I had I knew people who would get like have to go
• 31:10
  get like shots the. Prednisone shot.
• 31:13
  Or I used to get Prednisone but no for for like when you inhale
• 31:16
  it. Oh.
• 31:17
  That's my darkest, deepest fear. I don't know what it's called,
• 31:21
  but some sort of like nebulizer treatment, OK, that would that
• 31:27
  would do that. And I never had to do that
• 31:30
  luckily. But for me, the hot, the boiling
• 31:33
  hot water. So good, yeah.
• 31:36
  Yeah, it feels so good. Yeah.
• 31:37
  Oh yeah. Oh yeah, best feeling in the
• 31:39
  world. Like I'm experiencing those
• 31:41
  twice a day. God, it's sweet.
• 31:42
  It's. Almost worth getting a little
• 31:43
  patch. Yeah.
• 31:46
  Yeah, especially depending on where it's located.
• 31:49
  You can feel better. I used to get it like I had it
• 31:54
  once where it was like just baubles of skin and I had like a
• 31:58
  month worth worth of like once it was healing the.
• 32:01
  You know. Yeah.
• 32:04
  I like, I want to show you a picture of my last like really
• 32:07
  bad reaction or yeah, my last breakout because it was.
• 32:11
  Like, so I remember a doctor telling me like, this is just
• 32:13
  going to get worse. Before it gets better.
• 32:16
  Well, they told me it would just never get better like my.
• 32:18
  But then no, not, not at the time, but like over my lifetime,
• 32:22
  like I'm not going to build an immunity.
• 32:24
  But then I did. Oh, and maybe I was just in it
• 32:27
  more than they. Thought I would be.
• 32:29
  Because I don't get it like I used to.
• 32:32
  Because yeah, usually it is like a the more you're exposed to it,
• 32:36
  your immunity reduces. Yeah, but.
• 32:41
  So when I did wild land on hand crew, we were all a bunch of
• 32:46
  dummies, you know, in our early 20s.
• 32:48
  And one prank we would do is you'd take like, a in Marin,
• 32:52
  there'd be the stocks of poison oak.
• 32:54
  Oh, no, Yeah. That's just my face, part of it.
• 32:57
  That's a good one. Then it was also when.
• 32:59
  You wake up and you're like, my eye won't.
• 33:01
  Open my eye wouldn't my eye won't wouldn't open.
• 33:03
  It was both of my hands. Oh, so shiny.
• 33:07
  Yeah, yeah. I've never gotten poisonous.
• 33:10
  November of 2023 can. You see that?
• 33:14
  That's both my hands. Oh God.
• 33:17
  And I couldn't. I couldn't do anything for two
• 33:20
  weeks. I couldn't use my face, I
• 33:23
  couldn't use my hands. I just had to like Lay.
• 33:27
  Oh my God, Jesus. Yeah, sorry, trigger warning.
• 33:33
  Let me see it. Oh my God, Emily.
• 33:35
  And, and it was like on the back of my neck, it was up my arms.
• 33:40
  My dog had gotten in it. And then he laid on my pillow,
• 33:44
  and then I laid on my. Pillow, dude, that's rough.
• 33:46
  Yeah. We would take these huge stalks
• 33:48
  and we would he'd walk up behind like somebody on the crew and
• 33:52
  just stamp their back with it. Oh my God.
• 33:55
  That's evil. No, they'd be wearing, like,
• 33:58
  their yellow Nomex, you know? And then when you clean the
• 34:00
  Nomex, it leaves a chemical ring around it.
• 34:03
  So like, all I remember is that these black stamps of different
• 34:07
  diameter circles on our backs every once in a while, if you
• 34:10
  were super sensitive, it would get into your skin.
• 34:12
  Yeah. And then you'd have like, this
• 34:14
  red rash of a, like a ring, like a massive ringworm, Right?
• 34:19
  Yeah. And yeah, we they told us to
• 34:22
  stop doing. That that'd.
• 34:23
  Be me. I've gotten it before.
• 34:24
  I went to a show out at the Applegate Lodge and I hugged
• 34:28
  somebody and like 3 days later I woke up with poison oak all
• 34:32
  along the inside of both of my arms and down one side of my
• 34:35
  face and neck which had been the hug.
• 34:39
  It's like that's fucked up. So I I stopped hugging hippies
• 34:43
  at the Applegate Lodge. Yeah, yeah, you probably saved
• 34:46
  yourself from other potential contagions as well.
• 34:50
  Quite possibly. There we go.
• 34:51
  It's better here. Is that cool?
• 34:53
  Perfect. Yeah.
• 34:55
  Go pee pee. We're gonna get the pee pee
• 34:56
  sound on the It's going to pick me.
• 35:01
  Up pretty far from that, Mike's phone is hot and if we just talk
• 35:05
  well while he's peeing and does it sound.
• 35:08
  Like a babbling. Brook.
• 35:10
  You didn't know this, but actually there is a beautiful
• 35:13
  Creek with a waterfall just trickling just.
• 35:17
  Right off the to. Actually ride a bus.
• 35:24
  There come two people. Hi.
• 35:30
  OK. Just looks really.
• 35:34
  Hard. To pedal uphill, it is.
• 35:37
  It's a workout. It's a workout.
• 35:40
  Well you can get there from back roads too and just come down
• 35:42
  this make a loop. Yeah, yeah.
• 35:44
  This is my seat. Yeah, you're in the hot seat.
• 35:46
  Middle, middle. All right.
• 35:50
  Yes, welcome. Welcome to the Go Wildly
• 35:54
  podcast. This has been great so far.
• 35:57
  My generator is some good. Content.
• 35:59
  You know, I feel so self. Yeah, you are.
• 36:01
  I look just like an idiot. No, no.
• 36:03
  Most of most of our like summer recorded episodes.
• 36:06
  Are all on the hot. OK.
• 36:08
  If you feel self-conscious about it, we could put it.
• 36:10
  Now that we're not walking, you could put it on your.
• 36:14
  Yeah, Here, we'll do that. I'll help you.
• 36:17
  Because you can see it. Huh.
• 36:19
  Yeah. In your peripherals looks.
• 36:21
  Like I'm like an art project because.
• 36:24
  You are. There we go, doodles.
• 36:26
  They're perfect. Perfection.
• 36:27
  Cool. I have to admit that I've never,
• 36:32
  never gotten poison oak. Ever.
• 36:35
  I don't know why I. Probably don't get it then.
• 36:36
  Yeah, because my wife doesn't get it either.
• 36:38
  Yeah, I mean, maybe I've had like a little scratchy or
• 36:41
  something one time, but like also I've never like rolled
• 36:44
  around in it to know me. Either.
• 36:47
  Yeah, I figured like my wife would have got it from.
• 36:50
  You having it? Yeah, over the.
• 36:51
  Years. And managing the clothes,
• 36:53
  laundry, he's. Just and so my younger my older
• 36:56
  daughter doesn't get it that bad and my younger daughter gets
• 36:59
  covered and my younger daughter is more looks like a young me
• 37:03
  and then my older 1 looks more like you.
• 37:05
  Know genetics. Yeah, well, he just doesn't get
• 37:08
  it. I thought that maybe I like
• 37:10
  don't get it because my dad doesn't get it, which is like a
• 37:13
  thing. But he said that he doesn't get
• 37:15
  it because growing up he drank goat milk that the goats would
• 37:19
  eat. But then but that's not like
• 37:21
  genetically transferable. But maybe it is in some I don't
• 37:25
  know. Bought it.
• 37:26
  Bio is weird. Bio how things work is a little
• 37:29
  odd. So maybe it's like.
• 37:31
  Yeah, maybe. Maybe we evolved in that 30
• 37:35
  years if your. Mom had drank the goat milk.
• 37:37
  That might make some more sense. Yeah, I know.
• 37:39
  Especially then you're drinking her milk.
• 37:41
  Yeah. Yeah, because that's why you're
• 37:43
  not supposed to drink alcohol. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:46
  Or smoke, right? Yeah.
• 37:47
  Maybe, yeah, I don't know. You get a little bit of it all.
• 37:50
  Like filters down just like if a fish eats some kind of pollutant
• 37:56
  and then the bird eats the fish and then totally the cougar eats
• 37:59
  the bird like it all might bio accumulates.
• 38:03
  Yeah, I just tell people that's why you don't get poison milk.
• 38:07
  Yeah, because your dad drink. The goat's milk.
• 38:09
  The goat's milk. Well, that's what I kind of
• 38:11
  assimilate it too. Yeah.
• 38:12
  It's like, well, maybe that's it, but like I said, I've never
• 38:16
  I. Think there's like a percentage
• 38:17
  that doesn't get it, like a high percentage like 2530%.
• 38:21
  Well, maybe I'll test it out this year and I'll be like,
• 38:23
  let's see what? Happens.
• 38:24
  Yeah, I have. I had a friend who did that.
• 38:26
  And then we're on a hike and. He's like, I don't get it.
• 38:28
  And he's like, I'm like, oh God, it's.
• 38:31
  All like do not do that around me.
• 38:33
  Yeah. I mean, I get it from like
• 38:35
  looking at it too much. Yeah, there's different strains
• 38:39
  too. So like the Bay Area coastal
• 38:42
  strain? I was gonna.
• 38:43
  Still get that I'll get it worse down there to this day than I
• 38:47
  will, and like my unlaws property in Roseburg.
• 38:50
  Yeah, I was gonna say, I wonder, like you used to get it really
• 38:52
  bad and then now that you you don't get it as bad.
• 38:55
  Maybe it's because it's the, yeah, the variety that's up
• 38:58
  here. It's a little.
• 38:58
  Or maybe it's like honey and like, you know, the benefits of
• 39:01
  local honey are supposed to be like if you live within like 5
• 39:03
  to 10 miles. That's what they say, yeah.
• 39:05
  Maybe it's. Like poison?
• 39:05
  That for poison oak too. Poison oak Honey.
• 39:07
  I've tried eating poison oak, honey and to reduce my reaction
• 39:12
  and the only way has been to just basically not be outside.
• 39:16
  Yeah, not. Touching it normally works,
• 39:18
  yeah. But like, I'll get it from dogs,
• 39:20
  I'll get it from other people who have been in it, I'll get
• 39:22
  it. From yeah.
• 39:22
  So you're. Yeah.
• 39:23
  Yeah, I'm just super. Alerted You did pretty good last
• 39:25
  year when we went on a lot of hikes and stuff.
• 39:27
  Yeah, yeah, I did pretty. We did a lot of water based
• 39:32
  recreation like water vicinity recreation.
• 39:35
  And so there's a way that I can rinse real quickly that's really
• 39:39
  helpful. That's also the key, the quick
• 39:41
  rinse because the your show Yep binds quicker to certain people
• 39:47
  than others. So like the faster you can get
• 39:48
  it off. I don't also allergic to the oil
• 39:53
  on the skin of a mango which is the same oil and only like 1 in
• 39:57
  a bajillion people who are allergic to poison oak are also
• 40:00
  allergic to that. So I can't touch a mango.
• 40:02
  Yeah. I can't pick up a mango and
• 40:05
  slice it and if somebody else slices it for me like they have
• 40:09
  to rinse the knife and. I didn't know.
• 40:11
  There was off the cutting board. That's.
• 40:14
  Cool. Yeah, raw cashews.
• 40:15
  Like, still in their shell. And mangoes have the same oil as
• 40:20
  poison oak. Wow.
• 40:21
  It's fucked up. Dang, you know I was going to
• 40:24
  say too. Like I'm, I don't, I don't know
• 40:27
  if this is anything to do with it, but I also like when we're
• 40:30
  in really like when we're camping and stuff and we're in
• 40:32
  really like heavy mosquito Y territory.
• 40:36
  I don't really like, they don't flock to me and I don't really
• 40:38
  get mosquito bites, but Sean will get eaten up.
• 40:42
  Yeah. And I've heard it's like your
• 40:44
  CO2 output. I've heard it's like blood type.
• 40:46
  I've heard so much. Like I've never, I, I never
• 40:49
  really like get any ticks on me being out either.
• 40:52
  Like I've never really study you.
• 40:54
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like a superhero orgy
• 40:58
  story. Yeah.
• 40:59
  We got dunked in the VAT of like protecting.
• 41:02
  Yeah, I'm an outdoors superhero. Just don't get any of the things
• 41:06
  like. Pretty good comics.
• 41:08
  Yeah, yeah. We need to find a graphic artist
• 41:12
  who could create this for us. Yeah.
• 41:14
  That's kind of cool. I don't know.
• 41:15
  We always, we're always like, hi, I wonder what that's about
• 41:18
  cuz Sean just gets eaten up to the point where like we won't
• 41:22
  well, we still camp and stuff, but he's like really sensitive
• 41:25
  and he's. Got the right time of year just
• 41:26
  like. And he just beats it up.
• 41:28
  He's like, I got, I need the real deep.
• 41:30
  I can't use any of that, you know, like.
• 41:33
  I always try the hippie stuff 1st and.
• 41:36
  It never works. See how?
• 41:38
  See how vicious the mosquitoes are?
• 41:40
  Like, can they be worded? Yeah.
• 41:41
  Or do you just gotta go? Fabric Store yesterday suggested
• 41:45
  keeping cedar balls in your pockets and that will keep
• 41:49
  mosquitoes away. Interesting.
• 41:51
  I love all those like little home remedies like what you
• 41:53
  should do and I know I think it's kind of funny some of.
• 41:55
  Them probably work pretty well. In some, at least keep them up
• 41:58
  Bay. And some of it really does
• 42:01
  depend on. You.
• 42:02
  Yeah, yeah, some things work for other.
• 42:04
  People totes it does. It's totally just chemistry.
• 42:09
  I also have a really rare blood type.
• 42:12
  Did you know that I didn't? Know that, that's why I'm like
• 42:14
  I. Don't want it.
• 42:15
  Yeah, yeah. They're like, what the fuck is
• 42:16
  that? Like we don't see like.
• 42:18
  The escargot of blood. What type is it?
• 42:22
  It's AB positive or negative? It's the more rare one.
• 42:26
  Interesting. I think negative, yeah.
• 42:32
  Because that's like an 8. Like they don't know where that
• 42:34
  like negative RA factor came from or whatever.
• 42:36
  I don't know. I've been told whenever I like
• 42:38
  go to do blood work, they're like you really need to think
• 42:41
  about giving blood. I don't have the extra rare one.
• 42:44
  There's one that is like insanely rare.
• 42:47
  I'm just like a step. Above that, medium rare.
• 42:49
  Medium rare. Yeah, so, but I don't know
• 42:53
  exactly what it is, but I've just been told, like Heather,
• 42:55
  you need to be giving blood. I'm like, OK, well maybe I'll
• 43:00
  think about it anyway, so let's. Get back to Casey here.
• 43:03
  Yeah, yeah. I wanna know about.
• 43:05
  I wanna know about. Devo yeah, I wanna know where
• 43:08
  origin story. What Devo is, what it stands
• 43:12
  for, why you're doing it, Yeah. Everything, huh?
• 43:15
  Yeah, yeah, we'll help. Who?
• 43:18
  What when we're wise? So Devo basically, well in a
• 43:25
  nutshell, it's a youth development program to teach
• 43:27
  mountain bike skills to kinder through 12th graders.
• 43:32
  It started well, I moved here right from, we talked about on
• 43:36
  the hike from Marin County and right when I was graduating from
• 43:41
  high school there, there was like this kind of uptick in like
• 43:45
  organized club sport, mountain bike stuff.
• 43:47
  And I had some friends who were on kind of the early teams and
• 43:55
  worked with one of the founders of NICA who is the, it's the
• 43:59
  National Interscholastic Cycling Association.
• 44:02
  So NICA is huge now. I mean, there's, I don't know,
• 44:07
  10s of thousands of student athletes in Nyka across the
• 44:10
  country. But at the time it started
• 44:12
  Berkeley High School across the Bay from where I grew up.
• 44:14
  And yeah, I thought it was pretty cool.
• 44:17
  But I never, I never did the team, but I knew about it and I
• 44:24
  had friends who did it and it looked cool.
• 44:26
  Mountain bike racing. I never thought about racing or
• 44:29
  anything. Yeah.
• 44:31
  So I put that on hold. But that's just kind of the
• 44:34
  background of like, I knew these programs existed and cool,
• 44:38
  right? And then so when I had kids and
• 44:40
  we moved up here and back in Marin, I'd see like groups of
• 44:44
  kids riding on the trails, on the fire roads.
• 44:46
  And so like, even though we didn't have like the really cool
• 44:49
  single track and features on the trails, there'd be groups of
• 44:53
  kids riding out there. So when I moved here, all of a
• 44:55
  sudden it flipped and there was all this epic single track
• 44:59
  trail, which is like don't know what the equivalent and like a
• 45:03
  really sweet rapid compared to like the boring stuff.
• 45:06
  You know right The. Standing way that you can serve.
• 45:08
  Yeah, sure. Stuff like, yeah, so single
• 45:11
  track is like the Holy Grail for mountain bikers.
• 45:13
  Like that's what you want to be riding.
• 45:14
  And yeah, I but I didn't see any of the kids or the organization
• 45:20
  around it. So I'm like, my daughters
• 45:23
  hopefully will get into this one day and it'd be really cool if
• 45:27
  they had friends to ride with then.
• 45:29
  Like is there a high school team?
• 45:30
  I googled Ash and high, there's no mention of any mountain
• 45:32
  biking stuff. I'm like, this is crazy.
• 45:34
  Like the access is so good. I mean, you literally can be on
• 45:38
  the trails 10 minutes after you get out of school.
• 45:41
  And so at the time I was doing my research, I stumbled across
• 45:48
  this website for this brand new thing and it was the Oregon
• 45:51
  League. And the Oregon League was going
• 45:52
  to, this was 2017, was going to be in its inaugural season in
• 45:57
  2018. And basically somebody had moved
• 46:01
  here from San Francisco, moved to Oregon.
• 46:04
  They live in there in Portland. Heather Wolfgang, shout out.
• 46:07
  Heather Wolfgang. Yep.
• 46:08
  Hi Heather. We just had a meeting with her.
• 46:11
  Nice. Yeah.
• 46:11
  Yeah, She's cool. Amazing.
• 46:12
  So her and Kurt, her husband Kurt, moved up and they started
• 46:18
  the league here. And they had coached in San
• 46:20
  Francisco and knew how valuable the program was, and they
• 46:22
  started it. So somehow I saw in my research
• 46:26
  of, like, what's around for kids, this league was starting.
• 46:28
  It's like, if you're interested in starting A-Team, e-mail here.
• 46:31
  And I was like, this has to be some sort of divine intervention
• 46:35
  because I don't know. And at the time I was a
• 46:38
  firefighter. So when you're a firefighter,
• 46:40
  you, you work block schedule like I was telling you.
• 46:43
  But when you're off, like you don't have, you don't bring work
• 46:45
  home, right? So I had like 4 to 8 days of
• 46:49
  basically just like doing family stuff that I could put into
• 46:53
  starting A-Team. So I had the time and the
• 46:54
  energy. So I emailed Heather, we had a
• 46:57
  conversation and we got this NICA team rolling.
• 47:00
  We did a bunch of recruitment at like local events in town and I
• 47:05
  want to say and I found some other coaches who were willing
• 47:07
  to help me out. Yeah, you got to have the
• 47:09
  coaches I'm. Yeah, you got to have support.
• 47:11
  It's not a one person show by any means.
• 47:13
  That's. What I'm finding?
• 47:15
  And we, I think we start with like maybe 10 to 14 kids the
• 47:22
  first year. Wow, that's a good.
• 47:24
  Starting amount. Yeah, I guess it was at the
• 47:26
  time. I mean, now we have 40, so it
• 47:29
  seems like a small team, but yeah, I think it was, it was
• 47:33
  good. And we're kind of like the Bad
• 47:34
  News Bears, you know, like these kids are showing up in like full
• 47:37
  faces and goggles and full pads and like these super clap bikes
• 47:42
  and and we're like, oh, we're actually like a cross country
• 47:45
  team, right? Like technically, like it's
• 47:47
  focused on cross country and cross country is like climbing
• 47:52
  up and down, up and down rolling hills.
• 47:55
  But the problem is these mountains are set up for enduro
• 47:58
  and downhill, which is basically either shuttle or pedal really
• 48:01
  slowly up and then RIP down as fast as you can so.
• 48:05
  That's the full face mask. Yeah.
• 48:07
  So these masks are showing all like, yeah, we want to be on the
• 48:09
  bike team like we're jumping and doing.
• 48:11
  Tricks and crash. You're like late.
• 48:12
  Hold on. Yeah, and Nica, I gotta adjust.
• 48:15
  I'm sorry you'll. Be fine.
• 48:17
  I gotta like. Oh, you are.
• 48:19
  Oh, no, you were sinking. You're in a little sink.
• 48:22
  I. Want to sink this way though?
• 48:23
  Yeah. OK, there we go.
• 48:24
  OK. Cool.
• 48:26
  Yeah, so it was kind of funny because these kids are like,
• 48:29
  wait, you wants to pedal up there?
• 48:31
  Like our parents just drive us and we get like 8 laps.
• 48:35
  And I was like, yeah, how do I sell this?
• 48:37
  You know? So we had a couple years like
• 48:39
  that and then I think we talked about it, but my girls were
• 48:43
  kindergarten and preschool when I started this and I was like,
• 48:47
  this is a long term investment. I got to do this for six years
• 48:50
  before they get into this. And I was like, what if we had
• 48:54
  something for younger kids to like learn the skills and then
• 48:58
  they're like ready to go when they get to to Nika.
• 49:01
  A Rogue composite was the name of our team because we're a
• 49:03
  composite of the Rogue Valley. Meaning like kids from all.
• 49:08
  Over it's not it's not school based.
• 49:10
  There are school based teams, but we can get into that piece a
• 49:14
  little later. But in terms of the start, it
• 49:18
  was like, hey, if you wanna drive to the practices, like you
• 49:21
  can be on the team, right? Right.
• 49:23
  Well, that's where I was like, we need something in GP because
• 49:26
  like 45 minutes is a lot. We've had Grants Pass kids on
• 49:30
  the team a lot, yeah, and that's a lot.
• 49:32
  And they don't always come back, you know, because.
• 49:35
  That's a lot. Yeah, especially if it's a multi
• 49:37
  year commitment. Yeah, right.
• 49:39
  If you know it's only gonna be two or three years, sure, sure.
• 49:42
  But if it's like, oh, you're in. You're going.
• 49:45
  Sick the next 16 you. Can just see the writing on the
• 49:47
  wall and you're like, I don't want to drive there.
• 49:49
  Every day, that's a bit. That's a bit.
• 49:52
  Anyways, so at the time we were maybe a season or two into the
• 49:58
  Rogue composite team, which is in the fall and kind of having a
• 50:02
  pretty good, pretty good success with recruiting kids.
• 50:04
  And, and we started to get get a little more into, OK, they kids
• 50:10
  understand what this is. We understand what it is.
• 50:14
  Yeah, totally how it works. And at the same, at the same
• 50:18
  time I was trying to figure out how to get younger kids into it.
• 50:21
  We were also starting to lose some of the kids who are were
• 50:24
  like, yeah, we don't want to pedal anymore.
• 50:26
  That's not for us. We want to ride bikes for this
• 50:28
  specific experience and you're not providing it.
• 50:31
  So all of a sudden I'm like, oh man, we need more programs and
• 50:35
  we need to open this up. How do we do it?
• 50:38
  Well, another kind of divine intervention, whatever you want
• 50:41
  to call it was one of my Co founders Steven Caruthers had
• 50:46
  moved into my. Hey howdy.
• 50:49
  Hi y'all. It's Heather here to interrupt
• 50:51
  this amazing episode with Casey. So I want to talk about Ashland
• 50:56
  Devo. If you have a kid with energy,
• 50:58
  curiosity, or honestly just way too much screen time happening,
• 51:01
  this could be for you. Obviously you have to be in the
• 51:04
  Ashland area as well, but Ashland Devo is a Southern
• 51:07
  Oregon youth mountain biking program.
• 51:09
  Getting kids off the couch and onto the trails.
• 51:11
  Building confidence, resilience and real life grit through these
• 51:15
  coached rides and community baby.
• 51:18
  And it's not just for kids. Devo also runs Wombat Women on
• 51:22
  mountain bikes and trails Baby. These are three hour clinics for
• 51:26
  women and young adult girls focused on fundamentals of
• 51:29
  mountain biking in a supportive all female environment with
• 51:33
  professional coaches. So whether you're signing up for
• 51:36
  your kid, learning for yourself, or you just want to support this
• 51:39
  really cool mission that Devo has going on through donations
• 51:42
  and scholarships, this is how we build a stronger outdoor
• 51:46
  community. Y'all, let's get involved.
• 51:48
  Check out Ashlyn Devo and come ride with us.
• 51:55
  Howdy friends. Quick little pause on the
• 51:57
  adventure. First of all, we just want to
• 51:59
  say thank you. Truly.
• 52:01
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• 52:03
  outdoor podcast we started means more to us than you probably
• 52:06
  realize. We're just two little feral
• 52:09
  childhood besties that had an idea, grab some microphones and
• 52:12
  decided to record conversations in the wild.
• 52:15
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• 52:17
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• 52:34
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• 52:36
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• 52:38
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• 52:53
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• 52:57
  OK, we're back, Carruthers. OK, we did it.
• 53:03
  Yeah, so I met Steven Carruthers, who was a new
• 53:06
  neighbor. He has a daughter maybe three
• 53:08
  years younger than my girls. And yeah, he he he was like, how
• 53:14
  do we get these girls riding together?
• 53:16
  I'm like, well, funny you say that.
• 53:17
  I have this team and I want to start this K through 5 program
• 53:21
  like, but I don't know how to do it.
• 53:23
  Like, like does anything like this exist?
• 53:25
  And he's like, I'm from Durango and there's a massive program
• 53:30
  and like, yeah, let's start it like instantly, you know, And I
• 53:35
  was like, well, if there's a model and a guide, like let's
• 53:39
  see, let's get into it. And Stevens like the dreamer and
• 53:42
  I'm the realist. So it was automatically a good
• 53:44
  combination because like he could tell me when I wasn't
• 53:47
  pushing ideas enough and I could tell him when when whatever he
• 53:51
  was saying was crazy. But it both kind of worked.
• 53:53
  But just crazy enough to work. Just crazy enough.
• 53:55
  Yeah. This is not a what's up, man?
• 54:00
  I'm podcasting. Yeah, yeah, I'm starting a new
• 54:02
  career and. Sound bite.
• 54:11
  Look at me. I'm doing it.
• 54:13
  It's way better than mountain biking.
• 54:18
  Yeah. So we got together and we pulled
• 54:19
  in another friend, Mike Vanderberg, and and we kind of
• 54:24
  put our heads together and we're like, how do we do this?
• 54:27
  Well, Steven was like, I'm just going to call Sarah Tescher, who
• 54:30
  founded Durango Devo and see what she has to say.
• 54:33
  And he's like, he calls her and he's like, hey, she wants to fly
• 54:35
  out like and now and she does this, we just got a pair of 500
• 54:40
  bucks. She'll be the entire weekend.
• 54:42
  Like it's really good value. And I was like does.
• 54:44
  She still do it for that, she still I.
• 54:46
  Don't know if she does it for that but she definitely still.
• 54:48
  I could just pay you though and you could help.
• 54:50
  Yeah, No, I. Could do it for sure.
• 54:54
  Yeah. There you go.
• 54:55
  It'll be 400. $99.00 that seems, I mean that seems worth it
• 54:59
  because even started to interrupt.
• 55:02
  But even Bob and I now are just like we talked to we talked to
• 55:06
  Heather and it was still a little like, wait, she didn't
• 55:08
  get she didn't tell us that there is like we can get online
• 55:11
  to the portal and all of the guide stuff is there to like
• 55:14
  starting A-Team and everything. Then we talked to somebody else,
• 55:17
  the one of the gals in oh gosh, where is she at?
• 55:20
  I can't remember. We talked to another team
• 55:23
  captain, Gal, and she was like, Oh yeah, all you need to do is
• 55:27
  get on the portal and it's all of it's right there for you.
• 55:30
  And we're like. Yeah, totally.
• 55:33
  Anyway, I just want to say that because, like, it's hard to
• 55:36
  figure it out. Yeah.
• 55:37
  Who's? Done it before and like kids
• 55:40
  riding bikes, we're not reinventing the wheel.
• 55:41
  No, it's easy, but the coordination.
• 55:43
  Something that doesn't exist where we live, right?
• 55:46
  Right. So there's value to it, but
• 55:49
  there's also a hack. Yeah.
• 55:51
  Yeah, yeah. So Sarah flew out and she was
• 55:55
  amazing, you know, she, they started their program in 2006.
• 55:59
  I think they have close to 1000 kids in their program and their
• 56:02
  town is the same size as Ashland, which is insane.
• 56:05
  So cool. But it's way more, it's been a
• 56:08
  culture. I've never been there, but from
• 56:11
  what I gather it's like a, that's the culture there.
• 56:14
  Like here it's Shakespeare there, it's mountain bike.
• 56:17
  Like you can't do anything with or cycling.
• 56:19
  I'll say you can't do anything without running into that, you
• 56:23
  know? Anyway, so she had a meeting and
• 56:28
  I had put out feelers to parents who are already in the night cut
• 56:32
  program. And I got maybe 15-8 to 15
• 56:35
  people who were interested in coaching to show up to this
• 56:38
  meeting with Sarah. And Sarah kind of talks about
• 56:41
  how to create an organization. And then we do this whole thing
• 56:44
  and we offered some free clinics.
• 56:46
  We're like, let's just put some feelers out K through 5 free
• 56:49
  clinic like how's this going to work?
• 56:51
  And beat a white rabbit. And we, we would show up and
• 56:55
  Sarah would kind of walk us through like a class, how you
• 56:59
  would maybe run a class. And then we spent more time
• 57:01
  doing games with her and like all the things you would know,
• 57:05
  need to know to like the meat and potatoes of it.
• 57:08
  But then she also told us, like, how to set up a nonprofit, how
• 57:12
  to fundraise all this stuff. And.
• 57:14
  Wow, she brought a lot of value. At the time, it was like, do we
• 57:17
  set up as a nonprofit or a private business?
• 57:19
  And for me, I think at this time, actually, I had left my
• 57:23
  fire crew with the intention of setting something up that would
• 57:28
  help bring income in, but I wasn't going to be the primary
• 57:32
  breadwinner. And I didn't know how long that
• 57:35
  would take or how that would look long term.
• 57:38
  It's still like a moving goal post, it seems, with my family
• 57:43
  to make it work. But yeah, at the time it was
• 57:46
  like, oh man, this is going to take a lot of work to make any
• 57:50
  make any living wage from. Well, that's how we.
• 57:53
  Feel savings built up to be able to.
• 57:56
  Oh yeah, for sure. Because my wife hadn't been
• 58:02
  working. OK, so we essentially flipped
• 58:05
  and she got a really good full time job here and she wanted to
• 58:08
  go work labor and delivery. That's like her passion.
• 58:11
  She's 10 times better at that than I am at running mountain
• 58:15
  bike programs. Like she's, that's just like her
• 58:17
  calling, you know? And so we were already a single
• 58:21
  income family. So it was less harsh, I think.
• 58:26
  But yeah, we were able to do it and it's kind.
• 58:30
  Of what you have to do to chase a dream just.
• 58:33
  I guess, yeah, it was probably. Some sacrifice and risk.
• 58:36
  Really like financially, no financial planner would have
• 58:41
  ever told me to go and do that. But like I was really miserable
• 58:46
  at the FIRE job. We don't need to get into that
• 58:48
  piece of it because it's not that interesting.
• 58:50
  But like, it was a good time to like have something new to like
• 58:54
  grab my attention. Yeah.
• 58:56
  And yeah, so I looking. For a way out and.
• 59:00
  It was right. Yeah, 100% yeah.
• 59:03
  And super supportive wife Allison, who diva wouldn't exist
• 59:09
  without her because like, you know, she could have easily been
• 59:11
  like, you're right. You're not like chasing the
• 59:14
  stupid dream of like mountain biking stuff.
• 59:17
  But I think she recognized the value that it was going to give
• 59:19
  our daughters. And she believed in me and
• 59:23
  herself. And then, you know, but yeah,
• 59:25
  definitely, you know, two way street or whatever, like
• 59:30
  definitely had to have her on board.
• 59:33
  Yeah. So we found like it was just me,
• 59:36
  Steven, Mike and then our wives on the board to start.
• 59:39
  And we like drafted bylaws. We got a lawyer.
• 59:43
  And it was just like, we kept pushing like we asked these
• 59:45
  questions like, well, how do we do this?
• 59:48
  And then we just figure out the answers.
• 59:49
  Like you would, you have to like you can't, you can't let
• 59:52
  something stop. You just have to make the phone
• 59:54
  call. You have to set up the meeting
• 59:56
  and you have to like ask the questions that make the make the
• 1:00:01
  lawyer like, well, I better look into that, you know, and.
• 1:00:04
  So it's a lot of persistence. I think and lots of other people
• 1:00:09
  have done it before, yeah, probably with in some ways less
• 1:00:13
  smarts, less skills, less connections.
• 1:00:16
  They've made it. Work, they've made it work.
• 1:00:17
  Yeah. And it's always scary because
• 1:00:19
  you look at those programs as like, it's kind of like when I
• 1:00:23
  don't know if you have kids, but when you when you have kids and
• 1:00:25
  you're like, shit, I'm still the kid.
• 1:00:28
  And you realize that your parents didn't know what they
• 1:00:31
  were doing. Yeah, it's kind of like that
• 1:00:33
  too. Like where you're like.
• 1:00:34
  Oh, you look. Up to these other people or
• 1:00:37
  entities as like, oh, they've been there forever.
• 1:00:39
  They must know everything and then they don't.
• 1:00:42
  And you're like, oh, that's kind of scary.
• 1:00:43
  We're all just out here shooting from the hip.
• 1:00:45
  Yeah, I'm trying to tell my son, my 9 year old, I'm trying to
• 1:00:48
  relay that message now. I'm like, hey, I don't know what
• 1:00:51
  I'm doing, OK? Like please listen.
• 1:00:54
  But if I make a mistake right, I don't know what I'm doing that's
• 1:00:57
  good too. Though that's like, that's yeah.
• 1:00:59
  Instead of pretending. Like.
• 1:01:00
  You've got it all figured out. And you?
• 1:01:02
  Know what? Yeah.
• 1:01:03
  Yeah, nobody does. Yeah, nobody does.
• 1:01:06
  Yeah. Anyways, so we were able to kind
• 1:01:09
  of Fast forward, we, we set up these first programs and we, we
• 1:01:14
  had everything like on Google Spreadsheets, you know, and
• 1:01:17
  we're like set some pricing like, I don't know, this sounds
• 1:01:19
  OK, like it's gonna cover the insurance, but like we need the
• 1:01:22
  people to sign up, you know, hope, fingers crossed.
• 1:01:25
  And we had done 3 or 4 free clinics and like one of them had
• 1:01:28
  like 100 kids show up. So I was like, I know the needs
• 1:01:31
  there. Now how do we like connect the
• 1:01:32
  dots, right? And, and so we're like ready to
• 1:01:37
  launch. We have our final board meeting
• 1:01:38
  before registration and then we're like all right, March 5th
• 1:01:42
  registration opens, but it was 2020, so.
• 1:01:47
  It's like. Yeah, it's COVID and all that
• 1:01:54
  just like goes away. And it was like so
• 1:01:57
  disappointing. I was like, it was such, you
• 1:01:59
  know, we had so much momentum, you know, and, and it was like,
• 1:02:03
  Oh my God, how are we going to get through this?
• 1:02:07
  I'm definitely not getting any. This is definitely all volunteer
• 1:02:11
  pro bono, you know, like there's no money coming in.
• 1:02:14
  And we did the small amount of money we did get, it was like
• 1:02:18
  we'll be sponsored business sponsors gave us money, but like
• 1:02:21
  now we can't do anything. So what do we do?
• 1:02:24
  And we just had to really adapt and like play by the rules.
• 1:02:28
  We did end up running kind of like an abridged like 4 week
• 1:02:34
  middle school program that spring in like June.
• 1:02:37
  Like I forget how it worked, but we were following all the
• 1:02:40
  guidance kids that we had Devo masks, like Devo on it and then
• 1:02:44
  and you're outdoors, you're outdoors.
• 1:02:46
  You're on your own bike, it's not like really interfacing with
• 1:02:51
  one another. Yeah.
• 1:02:53
  And like, we didn't maybe know as much as we know at the time,
• 1:02:55
  but like, now you, like, you know, you're not gonna catch a
• 1:02:59
  cold outside. You're gonna catch it indoors
• 1:03:01
  around a bunch of people. So it felt pretty safe.
• 1:03:05
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  And. But there was so, so much
• 1:03:09
  unknown that you're like, oh shit, we might as well just
• 1:03:10
  like, play it right here. Yeah, we have to be very
• 1:03:12
  terrible about perception yeah too, because all of a sudden
• 1:03:16
  people are like, Oh no, if they see us on the trails and we're
• 1:03:20
  not. So it was like a very stressful
• 1:03:22
  already stressful just with like personal everyone's family life
• 1:03:28
  of like, oh, our kids aren't going to school this and that.
• 1:03:30
  But yeah, we some of those kids in that first program are not,
• 1:03:34
  there are seniors now and they have become like the kids that
• 1:03:40
  have kind of carried the development of the program all
• 1:03:42
  the way through. So it's like.
• 1:03:43
  Really cool to. See them make it through anyway.
• 1:03:45
  So by the fall, we were able to run what we initially wanted to.
• 1:03:50
  And yeah, that that was a pretty good feeling.
• 1:03:54
  So that's how the ball got rolling.
• 1:03:56
  Kind of a long way around that, but yeah.
• 1:04:00
  And then so basically what these programs look like is semester
• 1:04:05
  long, 6 to 8 weeks, once a week or twice a week, depending on
• 1:04:10
  your age and skill. And these kids are just getting
• 1:04:13
  together in peer groups of like 8 to 10 kids with two coaches
• 1:04:17
  and they're just playing, learning, you know, developing
• 1:04:22
  skill and really well. Our mission is instilling
• 1:04:27
  Wellness in our youth by building great resilience and
• 1:04:29
  camaraderie. So like trying to build great
• 1:04:31
  resilience and camaraderie. So it's like the teamwork, it's
• 1:04:34
  the pushing through hard things, It's continuing to move even
• 1:04:38
  when things get hard and handling setbacks.
• 1:04:41
  So. Getting back up when you fall.
• 1:04:43
  Down, yeah. And of course, having fun,
• 1:04:44
  that's like the first and foremost program goal of every
• 1:04:47
  program that says have fun for the coaches to remember that.
• 1:04:53
  Yeah. And yeah.
• 1:04:55
  So that's kind of what the programs do.
• 1:04:58
  And then we've added stuff every year.
• 1:05:02
  So we have a race series we do in the spring for the community.
• 1:05:07
  We do like 5 or 6 races local around, and then we end like at
• 1:05:11
  a business sponsor in town, which is pretty cool.
• 1:05:15
  We started a women's initiative called the Wombats, Women on
• 1:05:21
  mountain bike, bikes and trails. And so we have a community
• 1:05:27
  development director, Leslie Eldridge, who is running that,
• 1:05:31
  and she's doing a great job. Yeah, we kind of identified like
• 1:05:35
  the lack of girls is like we wanted to address, and it's a
• 1:05:40
  nationwide thing with mountain biking.
• 1:05:41
  But we thought, well, who cares? We can still try to change it
• 1:05:45
  here. That's kind of outdoor
• 1:05:46
  recreation as a whole is pretty male dominated.
• 1:05:50
  Women are changing that and thank you for being a man
• 1:05:54
  wanting to change that. Well, you know, I have two
• 1:05:56
  daughters and I probably admittedly would not feel the
• 1:05:59
  same way if I had two sons, but maybe cuz I didn't know, you
• 1:06:03
  know, and about the about like how 25% of girls drop out of
• 1:06:09
  their sport by the time they're in 8th grade, that kind of
• 1:06:11
  stuff. But yeah, having two daughters
• 1:06:15
  and trying to raise them like with like a lot of inner
• 1:06:18
  strength and like those things, resilience and grit, like it's
• 1:06:22
  super important to me. And now I'm trying.
• 1:06:24
  To raise them as. Boys, but trying to raise them
• 1:06:26
  as girls with these. Qualities because there are
• 1:06:29
  major differences and I'm finding out every day, you know,
• 1:06:32
  they're like my older one's a teenager now and.
• 1:06:36
  Making adjustments for hormone cycles.
• 1:06:39
  And. Social demands and.
• 1:06:42
  So it's like this, but I, you know, someone once told me if
• 1:06:45
  you get your daughter through the age of 11 and 12 and she's
• 1:06:48
  still riding bikes, she's probably going to keep doing it.
• 1:06:50
  And I was like, OK, they're 13 and 12 now, so.
• 1:06:54
  Yeah, hopefully they're close. One of the key.
• 1:06:56
  I've recently been learning that one of the key indicators for
• 1:06:59
  anybody, but particularly a female, to grow up with a sense
• 1:07:03
  of confidence is having love and attention from her father.
• 1:07:07
  Yeah, for sure. There's like a lot of, you know,
• 1:07:10
  data that backs that up and it's, it's unfortunate that
• 1:07:14
  doesn't happen for everybody, but I'm in a position to make it
• 1:07:18
  happen. So I'm not going to like, screw
• 1:07:20
  that up, hell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally
• 1:07:22
  like. If I can do it, I'm going to do
• 1:07:23
  it like, and I'm lucky enough for like, I'm not, I'm not gone
• 1:07:29
  like I used to be all the time, the fire department.
• 1:07:31
  So a lot of that decision making was like being freaking
• 1:07:35
  terrified at like the possibility of like not being
• 1:07:39
  able to give my kids that. Yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, yeah. So on that, on that women,
• 1:07:45
  woman's and like woman's and yeah and yeah.
• 1:07:49
  And the women's space of mountain biking and stuff.
• 1:07:51
  I right before I had Roscoe and I kind of fell off the face of
• 1:07:55
  the earth, I started a just an Instagram account that was
• 1:08:00
  called Send Her. So it's like a women's mountain
• 1:08:03
  biking collective and it didn't go anywhere because obviously I
• 1:08:07
  got pregnant with Roscoe and kind of did anywhere yet anyway.
• 1:08:12
  And I just thought was me. I was like just being in the
• 1:08:15
  bike shop full time. It was like seeing such a lack
• 1:08:17
  of women in the space, but the women that were coming in and my
• 1:08:21
  friends, I would quickly make friends with them.
• 1:08:23
  And it was like there's only, they really wanted that space to
• 1:08:27
  not ride with the guys because there's only ever guys riding
• 1:08:31
  group. Like even our, you know,
• 1:08:33
  Thursday night trail ride that Sean puts on every like that's
• 1:08:36
  our bread and butter. He does it rain or shine, hot or
• 1:08:38
  cold, and. Cycle Sport does that on
• 1:08:41
  Thursday. Nights here, yeah, one of them.
• 1:08:42
  And yeah. And it's just like, but there's
• 1:08:45
  all these guys and he comes in and he's like, oh, yeah, a girl
• 1:08:47
  showed up. She said that she would like to
• 1:08:50
  ride with more girls. And it's just like, da, da, da.
• 1:08:52
  Anyway. But I was so amazed at the
• 1:08:55
  support that I got when I launched that center.
• 1:08:58
  I had so many Ashland girls. That's cool.
• 1:09:01
  Just like, yeah, follow and then message me like, hey, what's
• 1:09:06
  this all about and all this shit.
• 1:09:08
  And I was like, this is really cool.
• 1:09:09
  Like there's a lot of like want and need.
• 1:09:11
  And then unfortunately I just like I was in a space that I
• 1:09:14
  couldn't. Whatever, just cuz you didn't
• 1:09:15
  have the capacity. I didn't have the capacity to
• 1:09:17
  put it on, but that was kind of, it's always kind of been my
• 1:09:19
  goal. I'm trying to revive that in
• 1:09:23
  Grants Pass, at least for the few women that ride or and
• 1:09:26
  getting more women in writing. I want to do a like every other
• 1:09:30
  week alongside the guys ride and.
• 1:09:34
  Less. I mean, you have your own thing
• 1:09:35
  up there, I know, but like, if you ever send a carpool down,
• 1:09:39
  like Leslie's doing it every Wednesday night.
• 1:09:41
  Cool. That's.
• 1:09:42
  Cool and so show up for that and like you'll probably meet 2030
• 1:09:46
  women like it's. Cute.
• 1:09:47
  Yeah. I mean, that's part of the.
• 1:09:49
  I mean, I would like to network meet and then, you know, if,
• 1:09:53
  hey, Thursday nights every other week.
• 1:09:55
  We do this right in GP if you want to explore.
• 1:09:58
  Yeah. I was just saying on the on the
• 1:10:01
  write up, I was like, oh, I really want to, I really want to
• 1:10:03
  go trail running with the woodland girls crew.
• 1:10:06
  They're very active down here. And I was like, but I got to
• 1:10:07
  start running because like I haven't been trail running in
• 1:10:10
  forever too. So I.
• 1:10:12
  Got a different caliber of athleticism in general.
• 1:10:16
  I know. But you got to remember like
• 1:10:19
  like even the most of the there's a couple men's groups
• 1:10:22
  that are not gonna they're gonna try to drop you.
• 1:10:24
  But like most of those kind of like sponsored rides are no
• 1:10:27
  drop, right? So like that means like.
• 1:10:30
  Leslie. 'S going to be there with like
• 1:10:31
  the person who's in last like helping you and just like she
• 1:10:35
  like it's all just fun like. Yeah, don't have to.
• 1:10:38
  You don't have to. Be like a certain you're not
• 1:10:42
  slowing people down, you're not ruining their time.
• 1:10:45
  Like it's just like getting out there and like it's super.
• 1:10:49
  Building community and doing it together.
• 1:10:51
  I'm telling you that Sean doing hit the Thursday night ride has
• 1:10:55
  been like so I and I'm surprised he always has the core group of
• 1:11:00
  dudes, but like and then he'll have like draw, you know, like
• 1:11:04
  there'll be seasons where there's this one guy riding or
• 1:11:06
  like this group and it's just like you think there would be a
• 1:11:10
  little bit more, but there's not.
• 1:11:11
  But like, I don't know. We try more turn out.
• 1:11:13
  You mean? Yeah, like more turn out, but
• 1:11:15
  it's still happening. We're not really in like.
• 1:11:17
  Just the fact that it's existing and it's existing because like
• 1:11:20
  we offer stuff too. And sometimes I'm like, this is
• 1:11:23
  going to sell out in, in a week. And then like, because everybody
• 1:11:26
  is like, Hey, you should do this.
• 1:11:28
  And then you do it and like one person signs up and you're like,
• 1:11:31
  well, we, we're still doing it though.
• 1:11:33
  And like people might feel bad, like my helpers might feel bad.
• 1:11:35
  And I'm like, no, don't feel bad.
• 1:11:37
  Like we're, we're, do we're like putting it out there.
• 1:11:40
  Yeah, it exists and it's consistent.
• 1:11:42
  Yeah. And it's consistency, right?
• 1:11:44
  Like that's all like, yeah, things that pot, like group
• 1:11:47
  things and activities that pop up, I'm always just like, gosh,
• 1:11:50
  I hope they just stay consistent through this, like through the
• 1:11:53
  time of like maybe there's a season where there's not a lot
• 1:11:55
  of show up. Like don't, don't, I don't know.
• 1:11:58
  I'm just like, that's been Sean and I was like, no, continue to
• 1:12:02
  do it like you need to just like regardless if you're the only
• 1:12:05
  one or. I think it's really valuable to
• 1:12:07
  do things that you want to do, so that no matter what, if
• 1:12:11
  nobody shows up, you're still. Doing what?
• 1:12:12
  Yeah, Sean's still doing. If other people were there.
• 1:12:14
  Yeah, knowing that could be an option so you stay positive
• 1:12:17
  about it. Like I like I knew something
• 1:12:20
  like maybe we wouldn't have numbers that I thought we could
• 1:12:23
  get, but that's just like a problem for me to solve.
• 1:12:26
  It doesn't affect the whole experience.
• 1:12:27
  Yeah. It's like I can take that piece
• 1:12:29
  back and be like, how can I do a better job at getting the word
• 1:12:32
  out or recruiting who I think would enjoy this or benefit from
• 1:12:37
  it? But I still experience that with
• 1:12:38
  maybe three other kids and two other coaches that had the time
• 1:12:42
  of their lives or whatever. Yeah, cuz there's then it's
• 1:12:44
  that. Small group like more one-on-one
• 1:12:46
  attention and connection and then there's value in Oh my God
• 1:12:49
  look at all these people here. This is so cool.
• 1:12:50
  Right. And sometimes it's better when
• 1:12:53
  it's just like a core group. It's just two.
• 1:12:56
  I don't know. It's funny because the times
• 1:12:58
  that we've put in Group rides on like weekend trips up to like
• 1:13:01
  Bandit and stuff, yeah, I have like we have like 50 riders and
• 1:13:06
  I'm like we can't all ride together.
• 1:13:08
  Like we'll do a run all in a fucking snake and it's just
• 1:13:11
  like, it's like, OK, that's not fun.
• 1:13:14
  Like we got to pair off it or like, you know, break off into
• 1:13:16
  groups and like, but those are the funnest times when we go and
• 1:13:20
  do like big rides. Big.
• 1:13:22
  Stuff. But yeah, that's super cool
• 1:13:25
  anyway. But yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Mountain biking, that's. Devo yeah, yeah, I don't know.
• 1:13:31
  I mean. It's like culture.
• 1:13:33
  I have like my 2 minute pitch on to what Devo is down and like
• 1:13:36
  that was like you asked me like what is Devo?
• 1:13:38
  And I was like, oh. And see, I think.
• 1:13:40
  How I'm gonna free form this but?
• 1:13:42
  And that's. More. 7 minutes tomorrow, yeah.
• 1:13:45
  Yeah, for sure. And the devo part of like that,
• 1:13:48
  like from the, you know, kindergarten or whatever, like
• 1:13:52
  young into like all the way up and more development and stuff,
• 1:13:55
  right? Cuz devo short for development
• 1:13:57
  right? It's like what a lot of cycling
• 1:13:59
  programs use. And when Sarah got here, she's
• 1:14:01
  like, feel free to steal that. Actually, Devo sounds nice.
• 1:14:04
  I'm like it does. Yeah, do that, yeah.
• 1:14:06
  And that makes it feel like it is part of this whole, right?
• 1:14:10
  Bigger thing, development. Program, Yeah.
• 1:14:12
  And that's, I feel like where I really want that centered, you
• 1:14:16
  know, and I'm not saying like I want the Nica too, because I
• 1:14:20
  think that's such a good program to have as well.
• 1:14:23
  But that's where I like I got my kids.
• 1:14:25
  I got to get them going. And yeah, Sean would be more
• 1:14:29
  involved and yeah, you can. The bike shop, the kids meet up,
• 1:14:32
  right? Yeah, like we're gonna meet at
• 1:14:33
  the B St. jumps or whatever, like half an hour, 45 cents.
• 1:14:38
  You know, it doesn't have to be. That's what I learned too, is
• 1:14:41
  like to be on a mountain bike. You don't have to be in the
• 1:14:44
  mountains necessarily. Yeah, you just be ripping and
• 1:14:47
  doing. You just have to.
• 1:14:47
  Be riding with like a group of people that that you enjoy being
• 1:14:50
  around. Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  You know, you don't have to be riding like some of the little
• 1:14:53
  kids will just like have the best they they might remember
• 1:14:56
  like splashing in Bear Creek as their debo experience.
• 1:14:59
  And then like their parents ask them in the next semester, do
• 1:15:01
  you want to sign up? And they say, yeah, hopefully,
• 1:15:04
  you know, and like, you get a lot of kids who come back year
• 1:15:09
  after year, semester after semester.
• 1:15:12
  Yeah, that's cool. I love that part of it, love
• 1:15:14
  that component. Yeah, and you know, it's.
• 1:15:17
  And it's March, guys, yeah. So it's really kind of weird.
• 1:15:20
  I feel like at least GP yeah, GPS coming out of the
• 1:15:24
  hibernation hole so. Yeah, it's it's about time.
• 1:15:27
  I mean, we've kind of just with the low snow here, it's been
• 1:15:30
  kind of like a year round deal which.
• 1:15:32
  That's been great. Yeah, that's good.
• 1:15:33
  It's not good for my favorite. Yeah, I need the.
• 1:15:36
  I need, like, the seasons. I need them because I'm gonna be
• 1:15:40
  on my bike so much, you know, starting right after spring
• 1:15:44
  break that like I can't, I burn out.
• 1:15:48
  I know, I know it when I'm burning out.
• 1:15:50
  And like, I'll go, I have a question.
• 1:15:52
  I'll go. I'll coach, you know, like two
• 1:15:55
  or three days a week. But in my spare time, like, I
• 1:15:57
  will not ride my bike. Like I'll go run.
• 1:16:00
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that nice balance.
• 1:16:02
  Yeah, I'm I also have a love for trail running.
• 1:16:06
  Ask your question and we have to ask our core question.
• 1:16:09
  And then we got to get rolling. Yeah.
• 1:16:10
  OK. So I was like every time I see
• 1:16:13
  like the no snow up at Mount Ashland, I always comment on
• 1:16:16
  like the I'm like, you guys really need to capitalize on
• 1:16:19
  those mountain biking, you know, in the summertime, like get the
• 1:16:22
  get the runs up and get those, get all, you know, get the
• 1:16:24
  things rolling up there. I would love to see Mount
• 1:16:27
  Ashland kind of capitalize on mountain biking more.
• 1:16:29
  Yeah, I definitely think that would be really good for the
• 1:16:35
  area. I just don't think, I think
• 1:16:37
  there's like enough red tape with the federal government in
• 1:16:40
  the way that the Mount Ashland ski leases and like the
• 1:16:44
  designation, yeah. It's a little different.
• 1:16:46
  The watershed being like a gosh, there's a name for it.
• 1:16:50
  Marshall probably knows LRA or something.
• 1:16:55
  Anyways, it's got some special designation that makes it really
• 1:16:59
  hard to build new things or use whatever I know.
• 1:17:04
  And it's like such a shame because the terrain is really
• 1:17:07
  good up there. It's like way different.
• 1:17:08
  It's like sub Alpine. So there's a lot of rock and and
• 1:17:12
  more Tahoe style. Yeah, it's my favorite.
• 1:17:14
  It's my favorite ride in the like.
• 1:17:17
  I love the Ashland ride. There's like a couple spots
• 1:17:21
  where you could put the sweetest loops, like if you ever climbed
• 1:17:23
  out to time warp, if you had like a way to get back down to
• 1:17:26
  the South and grab a fire road and just like do a loop up
• 1:17:29
  there. Like that would be a great ride
• 1:17:31
  in itself. And you're not even going out to
• 1:17:34
  time warp and dropping into the watershed.
• 1:17:35
  I think the opportunities only exist really in a feasible way
• 1:17:41
  on the Klamath side, because right there it splits the
• 1:17:43
  Klamath side to South side. And the Siskiyou's is the Rogue
• 1:17:50
  River, Siskiyou is the north side.
• 1:17:52
  And there's just too many. Too much red.
• 1:17:54
  Yeah, totally. Marshall mentioned something we
• 1:17:58
  just recorded with Marshall last Monday.
• 1:18:00
  He won't see this in the, you know, show.
• 1:18:03
  Like cuz we're gonna splice up who comes.
• 1:18:06
  Who's this? Episode's already out.
• 1:18:07
  Oh yeah, Marshall's is already out.
• 1:18:08
  OK, anyway, But he was mentioning the like kind of not
• 1:18:13
  necessarily like lack of mountain biking community, but
• 1:18:16
  like a little bit broken as far as like he was mentioning that
• 1:18:20
  sometimes it's hard to get like a community together.
• 1:18:24
  Like there's Ashland mountain biking, there's Grants Pass
• 1:18:27
  Mountain. No, not not like that.
• 1:18:28
  No, even just in Ashland, he was saying just being on RV MB A and
• 1:18:31
  like, you know, having these meet ups and like little events
• 1:18:34
  here and there to kind of bring the community together.
• 1:18:36
  He notices kind of a lack of like, I don't know, camaraderie
• 1:18:41
  with like, individuals and like all coming together to mountain
• 1:18:45
  bike. Do you experience that?
• 1:18:46
  Do you see that? I mean, you're on the youth
• 1:18:48
  side, so there's a lot of community.
• 1:18:49
  For sure, yeah. And it's basically like relative
• 1:18:55
  to other mountain bike communities, I'd say, whereas
• 1:18:57
  like you go to Bellingham and like the local businesses are,
• 1:19:05
  are like calling you to give you money, you know.
• 1:19:07
  Yeah. And I'm not saying like that's
• 1:19:10
  what RVNBA is trying to do, but I was on the board of RVNBA at
• 1:19:16
  one point and it's it's sometimes a struggle because
• 1:19:20
  there's these perceptions of who's on the board are
• 1:19:22
  representing the current iteration of mountain bikers.
• 1:19:27
  So like maybe somebody, maybe a shop owner had a disagreement
• 1:19:31
  with somebody who's like on the board now and they're like, oh,
• 1:19:33
  we don't, we're not going to donate money to that.
• 1:19:35
  We're going to go do this thing instead or this business is
• 1:19:39
  doing the same thing. So then all of a sudden you have
• 1:19:41
  like a bunch of people like in their own little subgroups and
• 1:19:46
  oh, it's all, it's been this way forever, so why would we try to
• 1:19:48
  change it now? And this, whatever part of that
• 1:19:52
  comes from, I think, I know we're blessed with good trails
• 1:19:56
  here, but like they all are in one area and there's like
• 1:19:59
  basically 2 main routes to get out on that side.
• 1:20:02
  There's not enough. So everybody gets fixated on
• 1:20:05
  these single trails and there's like.
• 1:20:09
  Some tension can develop because people have different ideas of
• 1:20:12
  what those trails should look like and who should be running
• 1:20:15
  them. You know who should be managing
• 1:20:16
  it? So interesting.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah, it's there is a dynamic. Do you think it's just like
• 1:20:21
  Ashland ego? Yeah, part of it.
• 1:20:24
  Yeah. Like just like when you said
• 1:20:26
  like, oh, some business owner doesn't like somebody that was
• 1:20:29
  on, so they had a disagreement or some sort of a yeah.
• 1:20:31
  I think a lot of it's like you guys just put Eagle away from
• 1:20:34
  mountain biking. Well.
• 1:20:36
  Like, you know, mountain biking can be pretty artistical as it
• 1:20:40
  is for whatever reasons. And yeah, I think it's not just
• 1:20:43
  businesses, but it's it's people who you would expect would want
• 1:20:47
  to, you know, help out. Or my favorite is like when when
• 1:20:52
  you put in all this volunteer time and effort to go put a
• 1:20:56
  trail work day on, you get it done and you have this great
• 1:20:58
  turn out, everyone's positive. And then like every time you're
• 1:21:02
  going to get an e-mail from somebody who has never, they'd
• 1:21:05
  get a blister just looking at a shovel, you know, but they're
• 1:21:07
  going to like start burning. Well, why did you change this
• 1:21:10
  berm here? It should be this way like
• 1:21:12
  keyboard warriors. And like, I can't believe you
• 1:21:15
  just sent me this e-mail, you know, like just would never.
• 1:21:19
  And there's a lot of people, like who like, would never go
• 1:21:22
  out and help out and, like, try to make stuff better around
• 1:21:26
  them. But they're going to be the
• 1:21:27
  first to comment on what's wrong with what you did.
• 1:21:30
  And it's pretty wild and. It's everywhere for sure.
• 1:21:33
  Yeah, that's when you got to pick your battles and just like,
• 1:21:37
  let it go. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:21:40
  Yeah. And I'm pretty good at like,
• 1:21:41
  letting that kind of stuff go. Yeah.
• 1:21:43
  Skills and like whatever, If you don't, if you don't, we're all
• 1:21:46
  here. Like, you know, people for Diva
• 1:21:48
  Devon, this is like less egregious, but they'll be like,
• 1:21:52
  oh, can you do this on this certain day?
• 1:21:54
  Like I only can make this certain day work Or you know,
• 1:22:02
  you know, you put that event at a really bad time for for the
• 1:22:05
  kids who are doing this activity.
• 1:22:07
  I'm like, sorry, like what? I mean, I'm not going to change
• 1:22:10
  it. And like I'm going to take
• 1:22:12
  feedback where I can and make my programs better, but like I need
• 1:22:15
  to accommodate my coaches, my instructors and my staff before.
• 1:22:20
  And if you want to make it a priority, you'll make it a
• 1:22:22
  priority. But.
• 1:22:24
  Yeah, totally. Otherwise like.
• 1:22:26
  It's kind of back to you. Like you just do it.
• 1:22:28
  When you can do it and when you want to do it.
• 1:22:30
  And those who can join, will join and those who can't.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah. Sorry, you can't meet everybody.
• 1:22:35
  You can't meet everyone's needs. And like, that's what that's
• 1:22:37
  what's like, I just have to like turn that, shut that off, like
• 1:22:42
  I'm not going to meet everyone's needs and that's OK.
• 1:22:45
  Yeah, they can start their own club, yeah, for sure.
• 1:22:48
  They have that prerogative. Well, then, but that's what ends
• 1:22:50
  up happening though. It's like, yes, that's great and
• 1:22:54
  everybody starts their own thing.
• 1:22:56
  But then I feel like and then every all these associations are
• 1:22:59
  like not working together to to make a bigger collective point
• 1:23:04
  or bigger collective come together on a certain trail
• 1:23:06
  system or yadda, yadda, vice versa.
• 1:23:09
  It's just like that's ends up and it's just like too many of
• 1:23:12
  these subgroups when really if we we could all just work
• 1:23:14
  together, we could get more done.
• 1:23:15
  I know. The most successful
• 1:23:17
  organizations are communities that are like, they trust the
• 1:23:21
  organization, so they're all on the same page.
• 1:23:23
  And also the alliance idea of like so Sierra Buttes, Trail
• 1:23:29
  Stewardship, Downeyville area and like Northern Sierras, they
• 1:23:32
  have like hikers, snowmobilers, Moto, mountain biker, all in the
• 1:23:37
  same all kinds. Of trail users and that.
• 1:23:40
  They're just, like, raking in money from all these different
• 1:23:43
  funding sources, like Caltrans and, like, big OHP money.
• 1:23:47
  And they're super successful and like, yeah, the subgroup thing
• 1:23:51
  and like, the bickering and the infighting is just, like,
• 1:23:54
  counterproductive, yeah. Because it makes it would make
• 1:23:56
  sense if there's a club that can meet on Wednesdays and a club
• 1:24:00
  that can meet on Fridays and so. But then you maybe do something
• 1:24:03
  together too. Things together or you at least
• 1:24:05
  communicate or you like pull the same fundraising and.
• 1:24:10
  Yeah. Yeah, and not like you.
• 1:24:12
  Get a lot more dumb. I work with them, but I.
• 1:24:14
  Don't. It takes a really good organizer
• 1:24:15
  to pull that together, yeah. Like.
• 1:24:17
  Manage personalities. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:20
  It comes down to managing personalities for sure.
• 1:24:22
  Yeah, that's not like a paid position in itself.
• 1:24:25
  Yeah, you know, it's a full time job.
• 1:24:26
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:28
  Well, let's, we are, we are getting to the end of our
• 1:24:31
  allotted time here. So that's our, our core question
• 1:24:36
  is share with us. I mean, it really does sound
• 1:24:39
  like most of your life has been oriented in the outdoors and
• 1:24:43
  outdoor opportunities have redirected your path in life and
• 1:24:46
  guided you every which way. But has there been one
• 1:24:50
  particular moment or experience that really, really change the
• 1:24:56
  course of your life or change the way that you look at
• 1:24:58
  yourself for the world? Yeah, this, you kind of summed
• 1:25:02
  it up is like it's kind of just been a constant and I, I kind of
• 1:25:06
  struggled with, you know, one thing, but I know you guys
• 1:25:10
  wanted to hear something so yeah, I.
• 1:25:15
  OK, here, let me help you. Let me help you.
• 1:25:17
  Have you ever taken a big like Backcountry fall on your bike or
• 1:25:20
  something? And it's been like a, it was
• 1:25:23
  just like really crazy or sort of big energy or like maybe
• 1:25:26
  seeing a wild animal. Setbacks, I mean, I yeah, I, I
• 1:25:31
  honestly think like my biggest like singular, like aha moments
• 1:25:36
  for me where I am now. I think so maybe less my, my
• 1:25:39
  life, but like my family is like watching my girls like thrive on
• 1:25:43
  like on like a ski run where I'm behind them or like where I'm
• 1:25:49
  riding bikes with them. And then the points where they
• 1:25:53
  like started to develop more skill than I have.
• 1:25:56
  And I could just see the stoke being passed.
• 1:25:59
  Like it's almost like they're like sucking the skill out of
• 1:26:02
  me, you know, cuz you ride at their pace, right?
• 1:26:04
  And like then you forget how to ride at your pace, but they get
• 1:26:08
  better and then all of a sudden they're like.
• 1:26:10
  So I think like just that experience has been like the
• 1:26:14
  most like the coolest thing to like, cuz it's like the ultimate
• 1:26:19
  flow state. Like you're not just in your
• 1:26:20
  flow state, but you're in like the family.
• 1:26:24
  It's like playing music with somebody totally, you know, and
• 1:26:26
  you're like, I don't know, I, I wish I had a really cool story
• 1:26:30
  for you guys. I mean, I've had a lot of fun
• 1:26:33
  experience, like, you know, wild, like the first time on a
• 1:26:36
  wildland fire is just like mind blowing because you're just in
• 1:26:42
  this environment you're used to, but it's on fire, it's night
• 1:26:46
  time and there's like noises and sounds and sights that like
• 1:26:51
  aren't normal. And you know, that was those
• 1:26:57
  were like formative moments for outdoors of like, not only am I
• 1:27:01
  like recreating the outdoors, but I'm like a part of this
• 1:27:04
  phenomenon of like fire and like change.
• 1:27:08
  And that's always been really cool to me.
• 1:27:11
  Yeah, that's a cool point. Yeah, that's a good answer.
• 1:27:15
  Yeah. And like, I'm really drawn to
• 1:27:18
  things that like people have experienced like in different
• 1:27:23
  past generations. So like, that's probably a bad
• 1:27:28
  way to explain it, but this will make sense.
• 1:27:29
  Is like being out there on a fire with like, just like an axe
• 1:27:35
  and you're like digging the dirt and you're like, oh, someone in
• 1:27:37
  the 1850s did this exact same thing.
• 1:27:40
  And it still works today. And those things are hard to
• 1:27:43
  find in today's works. Everything's automated or AI or
• 1:27:46
  even just like phones. Like it's like.
• 1:27:48
  Gas powered. The experiences we're living now
• 1:27:51
  aren't like the same as they were, but I think there's so
• 1:27:55
  many lessons, like we were like, probably tougher as like a human
• 1:27:58
  race, at least Americans, you know, back in those times.
• 1:28:01
  So like, I try to find those experiences that give me that
• 1:28:05
  feeling and they're hard to find.
• 1:28:06
  But yeah, the wildland fire thing was one of them where I
• 1:28:08
  was like, and also that's why I like trail running because like,
• 1:28:12
  I don't have this big fancy bike, which is super fun, but
• 1:28:15
  it's still, you know, a bike and everyone's trying to sell you
• 1:28:19
  upgrades and this and that. But like trail running or
• 1:28:21
  hiking, like you're just throwing your shoes on and like
• 1:28:24
  it's like the most pure feeling for me of like being out there
• 1:28:27
  with like barely any gear. Just you.
• 1:28:31
  And I like that too. Sean's always questioning.
• 1:28:35
  He's like, well, why don't you take your bike out?
• 1:28:36
  And I'm like, there's just something different about trail
• 1:28:38
  running, man. Like it's lower.
• 1:28:40
  It's just a different it sounds. More right feel the the earth.
• 1:28:46
  It's a different, it's a completely different experience.
• 1:28:48
  Well, now that he had his calf, he just tore a muscle in his
• 1:28:50
  calf really bad. He's like, maybe I need to
• 1:28:53
  diversify and I'm like, yeah, maybe.
• 1:28:56
  If I'm like struggling with like a devo program or like something
• 1:29:01
  a question that came up and I go for a run, it has to be over 30
• 1:29:05
  minutes I found. But I get in this mindset flip
• 1:29:09
  where I'm like, my best ideas come when I'm driving.
• 1:29:14
  Me too. Me too.
• 1:29:15
  Oh my God, that's where good. High five.
• 1:29:17
  Yeah, that was good. So I was.
• 1:29:19
  Gonna ask for it when I was. Like when I the when I had my
• 1:29:23
  aha moment when I was trail running that I needed to sell my
• 1:29:26
  catering company and by the bike shop, there you go.
• 1:29:29
  And it was just like this, like so much clarity.
• 1:29:32
  Yeah, I can't find it in biking that the.
• 1:29:35
  It's this not the same complexity?
• 1:29:37
  It still does. It still does a lot for me.
• 1:29:39
  It's like I got it for a bike rider.
• 1:29:42
  It's something about the pace and like where your heart, I
• 1:29:46
  don't know, there's gotta be. Something.
• 1:29:47
  Yeah, it's well also. It's about bilateral movement,
• 1:29:50
  but that is. Like real.
• 1:29:52
  Processing and nervous system calming and it absolutely does
• 1:29:56
  get you in a close and of clarity.
• 1:29:59
  The trail running, I'm like, I really love being by myself
• 1:30:02
  because of that reason of the clarity.
• 1:30:04
  And I like mountain biking for the like community aspect in
• 1:30:09
  writing with other people. That's where I get all my stoke.
• 1:30:12
  And so I'm not thinking about this.
• 1:30:13
  I'm not processing the same things on my mind because I'm
• 1:30:16
  more just like interacting with my group too while I'm writing.
• 1:30:19
  That makes sense. So it's this like different
• 1:30:21
  experience? I don't like trail running with
• 1:30:22
  other people. No hail freaking no, this is.
• 1:30:25
  Something. To my trail.
• 1:30:26
  Go on. Sorry guys.
• 1:30:27
  I. Have friends who go on group
• 1:30:29
  runs and I'm like I just the pace is just too different.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah, yeah, I don't mind. I don't mind trail running with
• 1:30:37
  a group if it's like, you know, like I have, obviously, but and
• 1:30:41
  it's fun when it comes like every once in a while, but like
• 1:30:43
  the daily grind that I used to. I haven't been on the trail in a
• 1:30:46
  while, but yeah, it's like it's something special.
• 1:30:50
  Yeah, it's it's, it's you time. Yeah.
• 1:30:53
  It's when you get to like actually hear yourself and get
• 1:30:57
  in touch with yourself. And and that's where, yeah, we
• 1:31:00
  come up with. All the ideas, all the best.
• 1:31:03
  Ones we see the truth in our experiences when we're on our
• 1:31:07
  own a. 100%. Yeah.
• 1:31:09
  I feel like I flopped the big question.
• 1:31:11
  No, no, it was great. See, that's what it's just meant
• 1:31:13
  to do is just like random. But here's another question.
• 1:31:17
  When you pass away one day, how do you want to be remembered?
• 1:31:22
  Oh man. Like how quick that was.
• 1:31:24
  Usually it's a little bit more elaborate.
• 1:31:28
  Yeah, no, I just hope that people who are around me, like
• 1:31:32
  keep doing kind of like, you know, if I I just, I can't think
• 1:31:38
  of anything out of my kids, right.
• 1:31:39
  Right, that's how I'm me too. So yeah, I love my wife, but
• 1:31:44
  there's probably some like positives that will come when
• 1:31:47
  I'm gone for her. Like little things, just like
• 1:31:51
  the, you know, like the little Silver Linings, right?
• 1:31:55
  Like, Oh no, more like clean up his messes when he I was looking
• 1:31:59
  for a bike ride and like I got some room back in the garage.
• 1:32:02
  No more calls that he crashed his bike, Yeah.
• 1:32:04
  Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
• 1:32:06
  I mean, hopefully that's like, but I'm not.
• 1:32:08
  Decades. In the.
• 1:32:09
  Future where that's like not an everyday thing the.
• 1:32:11
  Point is, like, I don't think I'm going to be passing anything
• 1:32:14
  to her, right? Like we're like, you know, we're
• 1:32:17
  not. I don't make.
• 1:32:19
  She's not your light legacy. Yeah, sure.
• 1:32:21
  Yeah, I'm gonna. Clear that up.
• 1:32:23
  But yeah, with my girl. Allison, he still loves you.
• 1:32:26
  Yeah. With my girls, yeah, I just want
• 1:32:28
  them to. I really just want them
• 1:32:30
  honestly. Like my main thing is I want
• 1:32:32
  them to like try harder things. And like, work hard and.
• 1:32:36
  Yeah, yeah, of course, like Thrive, but I think you get that
• 1:32:39
  from like learning to to work hard and try and persist and
• 1:32:43
  figure things out. And it's not like anyone
• 1:32:47
  activity that can do that. But for me it's been the
• 1:32:49
  outdoors. But yeah, I think like whatever,
• 1:32:54
  whatever they do, just like do it 100%.
• 1:32:58
  I was like thinking about that the other day, like if I was
• 1:33:02
  like on my death bed, what would I want to tell them, you know?
• 1:33:05
  And I just be like don't give up.
• 1:33:07
  Do it 100,000% baby. And it's it's, it's sounds so
• 1:33:10
  silly, but like it's so it's true.
• 1:33:12
  It is. I have so many chances to like
• 1:33:15
  give up and like stop doing Devo, but like, or move, you
• 1:33:20
  know, even. And it's just, I want to see how
• 1:33:24
  the story of Devo plays out. I was like, so like, yeah, I
• 1:33:27
  just got to keep moving forward. So my dad always used to say
• 1:33:30
  like he's, he's just like, it doesn't matter what you're doing
• 1:33:34
  as long as you're moving, like keep moving forward.
• 1:33:36
  Don't be stagnant. I have the 1% every day.
• 1:33:39
  Just do you know, be better like every day try to be better, like
• 1:33:43
  1% better at least like just. Yeah, and you have your off
• 1:33:46
  days, sure, but like. 100% looks.
• 1:33:49
  Different every day, generally like you, if you're moving in a
• 1:33:52
  positive direction, like your days are going to be positive
• 1:33:55
  too, so. Yeah, even the down ones.
• 1:33:57
  I hope I have enough time to say all that on my deathbed.
• 1:34:01
  Well, there it's, it's recorded here.
• 1:34:04
  We'll send it to 4 words out. Yeah.
• 1:34:08
  So when or actually it's the. What's your Do you have a
• 1:34:13
  favorite piece of outdoor gear? That's the one.
• 1:34:15
  That you that you have with you either what you're doing or on
• 1:34:20
  your during your favorite outdoor activity.
• 1:34:25
  I definitely have like my brands, like I always get the
• 1:34:28
  ultra trail runners. Oh yeah, they're kind of
• 1:34:31
  minimus, but I have some hip issues and like anything with
• 1:34:34
  the big drop is going to mess me up.
• 1:34:36
  So these they're not super durable, but they don't make me
• 1:34:42
  hurt when I run. So I love these shoes.
• 1:34:45
  I'm in the market for some new shoes.
• 1:34:48
  I don't think everybody would love these.
• 1:34:50
  Well, I'm coming from the Nike trail.
• 1:34:52
  To them if you've been in like. I don't know.
• 1:34:55
  Or soccer or anything else, you kind of have to take it easy
• 1:34:58
  getting and I've. Been in the.
• 1:34:59
  Good transition shoe to then be like super minimalist, yeah.
• 1:35:04
  Well, I came from the zeros, yeah yeah, I came from the
• 1:35:07
  barefoot 5 right? The five finger barefoot shoes.
• 1:35:11
  I was running in those forever and then I was like, I mean,
• 1:35:13
  where's the port? Cuz I keep having some weird
• 1:35:15
  things going on and I went to the running store here and I got
• 1:35:20
  fitted for and they fitted me in the Nike trail shout.
• 1:35:24
  Out Rogue Valley runners. Yeah, shout out.
• 1:35:26
  You guys did good. I always tell anybody whenever I
• 1:35:28
  Yeah, that's what people. Are like they carry they carry
• 1:35:30
  ultras too. They do, and that's where I
• 1:35:33
  would go get. I just threw away my my Nike
• 1:35:37
  trails because my Nike trails the like gum on the bottom of
• 1:35:40
  them like hardened really bad and had like a really like it
• 1:35:44
  that got old. The like sole rubber.
• 1:35:46
  It was weird, but I love them and I never had any weird issues
• 1:35:51
  that I was having in my barefoot runners.
• 1:35:54
  So that's cool. Yeah, I don't get too attached
• 1:36:00
  to things. Oh my, I got 1.
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  OK, let's hear it. My ice axe.
• 1:36:05
  What's that? My ice axe is for
• 1:36:07
  mountaineering. Oh my ice axe.
• 1:36:09
  OK. Yeah, and what?
• 1:36:10
  Did you hear? I don't know.
• 1:36:12
  I didn't. I didn't hear it.
• 1:36:13
  I heard something funky. I heard like a weird brand and I
• 1:36:16
  was like, what's that mean? Yeah, I'm not like any pro level
• 1:36:21
  Mountaineer or anything, but I really love to get in the
• 1:36:23
  mountains and split board and like I've climbed Shasta 5 or 6
• 1:36:27
  times and done McLaughlin in the winter and whatever.
• 1:36:33
  Mount Whitney's house sister, all that stuff.
• 1:36:35
  But that thing that's legitimate to save my life.
• 1:36:38
  Yeah, I got into some hairy conditions on Mount Bailey with
• 1:36:42
  some friends and had to do like full speed self arrest at like
• 1:36:47
  30 miles. This is actually probably gum.
• 1:36:49
  Gum we we'll make time for this one.
• 1:36:54
  Yeah, so, so yeah, we're. I know I was just sitting here
• 1:36:57
  and like oh shit, excuse. Me.
• 1:36:59
  Excuse me, Sir. It's a good story, but I guess I
• 1:37:01
  don't like to think about it too much.
• 1:37:03
  But yeah, went out to Mount Bailey on a Hut trip with some
• 1:37:09
  friends. So we we got just one Hut.
• 1:37:12
  So you go to, you basically do your runs and you come back and
• 1:37:15
  you stay at the Hut and yeah, we got into some really good stuff
• 1:37:20
  and it was facing north, really stable pow, no avalanche danger.
• 1:37:24
  Morning. And yeah, we end up like wanting
• 1:37:28
  to check out the north side of Mount Bailey, which is
• 1:37:29
  traditionally like, I mean, it's kind of like the steepest runs
• 1:37:33
  there. The north facing is the best
• 1:37:35
  powder in North America at least because it's protected from the
• 1:37:38
  sun and it gets really, it stays cold over there.
• 1:37:43
  So we get up there with a group of four of us.
• 1:37:47
  They're all skiers, but I'm on a split board, so I have one less
• 1:37:50
  edge. Don't do a foreshadowing.
• 1:37:53
  I don't do as well in the icy conditions and like, all right,
• 1:37:57
  let's just poke our heads over, over that Knoll.
• 1:37:59
  So like the Knoll kind of starts like this and kind of just picks
• 1:38:03
  up a little gradient, but it's not bad.
• 1:38:06
  And at the top, for whatever reason, I probably because I
• 1:38:10
  hadn't been there before and I'm pretty good risk management
• 1:38:14
  style of recreating. I pull up my ice axe and I just
• 1:38:19
  start snowboarding down and my skier friend gets like 50 yards
• 1:38:22
  below me and he kind of looks around and turns around and
• 1:38:25
  gives like the X like go that way.
• 1:38:27
  We're not going to do this today.
• 1:38:29
  So what happened? This ice lens had like formed
• 1:38:32
  and it wasn't like a solid thing of the ice is like these little
• 1:38:34
  ice balls, but like very consistent all the way through
• 1:38:38
  and like some somehow the temperature had spiked or
• 1:38:41
  something. And it, it does that, you know,
• 1:38:43
  like weird stuff happens and things have to align to be able
• 1:38:46
  to hit something safely. Anyway, so I start going down
• 1:38:49
  and and I'm still like on train that's not very steep, but I'm
• 1:38:54
  like, oh, this is a little icy. And I try to stop and I kind of
• 1:38:58
  slide out and I just fall and I don't move.
• 1:39:01
  I'm like, oh, that was weird. This is like really icy.
• 1:39:04
  I get up again and, and I I'm trying now to traverse on my
• 1:39:08
  heel edge to the right to this Knoll where it's like super safe
• 1:39:11
  and I can get to another aspect facing east or something.
• 1:39:15
  And I slip again. I'm like, uh oh.
• 1:39:20
  And that time I'm like trying to get up, but I'm like slipping as
• 1:39:23
  I'm getting up. And so I have my ice axe, which
• 1:39:25
  is about this long and I have it buried so I can't go anywhere.
• 1:39:30
  And I'm like, OK, I'm going to have to like think about how I
• 1:39:33
  stand up, pull the ice X out without slipping.
• 1:39:37
  I do it again. I slip again.
• 1:39:38
  And I'm like, now I'm like getting a little nervous and.
• 1:39:41
  And you're essentially alone. Like well, my friends are below
• 1:39:44
  me and. They can't see you.
• 1:39:46
  They can see me. OK, Yeah.
• 1:39:47
  And they're kind of over to safety, kind of watching me.
• 1:39:50
  OK, They can see me, but they can't really help me at the
• 1:39:52
  moment. So then I, so then I, I'm like,
• 1:39:57
  OK, I have to stand up and I have to get over there.
• 1:40:00
  This is like my big shot, you know?
• 1:40:02
  And so I stand up. And I start going and I slip,
• 1:40:07
  but this time I had a little more speed because I was trying
• 1:40:09
  to reverse hard and I just start sliding and I'm like, oh shit.
• 1:40:14
  So you practice self arrest technique, which is self arrest
• 1:40:18
  is like stopping yourself with your ice axe.
• 1:40:20
  That's why you have the ice axe. So I bury that thing in the ice
• 1:40:24
  and I'm like hauling ass down the hill like out of freaking
• 1:40:27
  movie. And I'm just like, and as I'm
• 1:40:31
  putting all my weight into this axe, I feel my rib muscles start
• 1:40:35
  to pull. Like I'm like, oh, God.
• 1:40:40
  So now I have like, these pulled muscles.
• 1:40:42
  And I slide probably like 5050 feet.
• 1:40:47
  And I'm at this point I'm like 50 feet from this huge edge that
• 1:40:51
  goes like 2000 feet. Oh, my God.
• 1:40:53
  Yeah. And it it's not like a Cliff
• 1:40:56
  where I would die. Honestly, it could have been
• 1:40:58
  like smooth snow on the other side.
• 1:41:00
  I could have been fine. But in my mind, like, that was
• 1:41:03
  death, right? Like, no fall zone.
• 1:41:05
  And my friends are looking up and they're like, all right,
• 1:41:08
  that's that's good enough. Like, we're going to come get
• 1:41:10
  you. So I'm just sitting there like
• 1:41:14
  ice axe buried. My ribs are on fire, you know,
• 1:41:17
  And, and now I'm cramping at, I'm shaking because I'm like, Oh
• 1:41:20
  yeah. Linda.
• 1:41:21
  And like I'm cramping everywhere.
• 1:41:23
  Have you stopped moving? I'm not moving anymore.
• 1:41:25
  Yeah. Done sliding.
• 1:41:26
  Yeah. And so they are able to take
• 1:41:28
  their skis off. They put boot crampons on.
• 1:41:31
  Thank God they had those in their pack because you don't
• 1:41:32
  always bring those. And but I only go with people
• 1:41:36
  who are pretty prepared. Yeah.
• 1:41:39
  And they hike up to me. They're kicking steps in the
• 1:41:43
  snow, right in the ice. And with the crampons, they're
• 1:41:45
  pretty bomb proof. So they're able to get to me.
• 1:41:47
  They cut me like a path and took my snowboard and we, like,
• 1:41:51
  walked out the 75 yards to get to the knob and then dropped,
• 1:41:56
  dropped safely back. And yeah, I still get like a pit
• 1:42:00
  in my stomach talking about it. Yeah.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, I could see. Trauma.
• 1:42:03
  Body posture. Like changed.
• 1:42:06
  In yeah, it was. It was.
• 1:42:09
  It was honestly like terrifying and I thought I was being
• 1:42:14
  careful and I was, and things can still go wrong.
• 1:42:17
  Yeah, even when you're being careful.
• 1:42:20
  You think you're in control of outside.
• 1:42:23
  You're like you're not, and outside doesn't care about you
• 1:42:25
  either. Like it's just there and like it
• 1:42:28
  doesn't care if it kills you. It doesn't care if you have a
• 1:42:30
  good time. Yeah, it has no conscience.
• 1:42:32
  Has no conscience. Well, that's like the river.
• 1:42:34
  It's like you can be the safest on there and then like
• 1:42:36
  somebody's still like a river guy.
• 1:42:38
  It is drowning it. Or you hear of that happening
• 1:42:41
  and you're like, but how they're the safest people.
• 1:42:43
  And it's like because you don't have any control sometimes.
• 1:42:45
  Yeah, it's like you've got to. Just that experience for me is
• 1:42:47
  like I don't have control and like I don't even know.
• 1:42:54
  Like it definitely made me scared but I don't even know
• 1:42:59
  like what I would have. I feel like I did the right
• 1:43:01
  things. Like I waited for my friends,
• 1:43:03
  that my friends did the right things.
• 1:43:06
  Well, obviously you did the right thing because you're alive
• 1:43:08
  today and you're or you didn't break a major like if you fell
• 1:43:14
  and something I don't know. Right, right.
• 1:43:15
  I didn't have any like serious injuries.
• 1:43:17
  I was able to snowboard the next, like finish snowboarding
• 1:43:20
  and then like keep keep the trip going.
• 1:43:22
  It didn't, yeah. It didn't scare you out of no
• 1:43:24
  doing that activity again. It definitely.
• 1:43:29
  Didn't teach you a lesson? I I feel like I'm a little more
• 1:43:33
  scared of like firm conditions, which is kind of like spring
• 1:43:37
  springtime, which I coincidentally don't have as
• 1:43:39
  much time to because the devo starts up.
• 1:43:41
  Anyway, but this weather is like kind of giving us weird
• 1:43:45
  conditions. Yeah, for sure.
• 1:43:48
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:43:50
  So just like, I don't know, it was really scary.
• 1:43:51
  I thought I was going to die. I came home and looked at Google
• 1:43:54
  Earth and it was like, that is so gnarly looking, you know?
• 1:43:58
  You're like, would I have died like?
• 1:44:00
  Yeah. And I was like looking on Google
• 1:44:02
  Earth and I started to feel queasy and I'm like, I need to
• 1:44:06
  anyways, Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if that's like.
• 1:44:10
  That's a great story. That's what we were looking for
• 1:44:11
  a bit. That's what they were looking
• 1:44:13
  for. So that ice axe is like, my
• 1:44:14
  favorite because I look at that thing just hanging there and I,
• 1:44:17
  you know, I've used it a handful of times since then.
• 1:44:20
  That was probably four years ago.
• 1:44:22
  And I'm like, yeah, this is my favorite piece of equipment.
• 1:44:27
  Sick. Yeah.
• 1:44:28
  That's awesome. I was going to ask you to, we
• 1:44:30
  got to wrap it up, but what's like a piece, like a tool that
• 1:44:33
  you always bring on mountain biking rides?
• 1:44:35
  Like, what's the one thing that you're always bringing?
• 1:44:37
  So. Do you even bring any tools?
• 1:44:38
  Some people don't, but then I know worse.
• 1:44:40
  Because all I do is harp in the kids like you have to bring your
• 1:44:45
  retired, your required, not your retired, your required items on
• 1:44:48
  every ride. And then but when I ride my
• 1:44:52
  bike, I generally just bring like a snack and like if, if I
• 1:44:59
  get OK. So there's a couple variables.
• 1:45:01
  There's a. Couple factors in play and the
• 1:45:05
  kids definitely don't have attention span to make it this
• 1:45:07
  far into the thing anyway so none of the kids will see this.
• 1:45:11
  Part their parents, though. Their parents might, but the
• 1:45:15
  trails are set up here where you go up and then you go down and
• 1:45:18
  there's roads everywhere. So I never feel on these rides
• 1:45:23
  in Ashland that I'm gonna get stuck somewhere that I can't
• 1:45:25
  just walk out of. And to me, I really like the the
• 1:45:29
  minimalist feel when I ride a bike.
• 1:45:31
  I hate a big pack and I don't like the feel on my shoulders
• 1:45:35
  and I can't ride as fast as I want to on the downhills or the
• 1:45:37
  skills I want to work on because of the way the pack is shifting.
• 1:45:41
  So it's almost like this is my two, maybe 2 rides a year
• 1:45:45
  sacrifice to the mountain bike gods if I don't bring the tools
• 1:45:49
  and I'm just like, well, that's just how the ride went today and
• 1:45:51
  that's OK. But if I have a multi tool in
• 1:45:54
  the car I'll generally just put my pocket.
• 1:45:56
  Yeah, totally. That's multi tool, yeah, I.
• 1:45:58
  Rarely bring. All the stuff to.
• 1:46:01
  Fix a flat tire, Yeah, but it's also no.
• 1:46:03
  Plugs to get them find plugs out there's.
• 1:46:05
  Also, not a lot of rocks here like these are like the most
• 1:46:07
  rocks you'll see. And the chances of somebody else
• 1:46:09
  riding by in a decent amount of time that could help you is
• 1:46:13
  probably pretty high. That too or.
• 1:46:15
  You. Yeah, you just.
• 1:46:15
  If I was in real trouble, yeah. But yeah, like, I mean, I can
• 1:46:22
  run every trail like in the watershed or whatever, and it's
• 1:46:25
  like, well, I can walk my bike too.
• 1:46:27
  It's still exercise. Same.
• 1:46:30
  Same. Totally.
• 1:46:32
  Well, anywho, if we're going to wrap it up, but if you want to
• 1:46:37
  be found or anybody's interested in getting involved with Devo or
• 1:46:41
  Nika here in Ashland, give us the shout of all the how to get
• 1:46:45
  a hold of you and how to be. Found so Ashland Devo on
• 1:46:48
  Instagram and Facebook and then Ashland devo.org
• 1:46:51
  www.ashlanddevo.org on our website you can sign up for a
• 1:46:55
  newsletter. We sign out, send out all our
• 1:46:57
  info about our programs and then my personal is cbots 40 on
• 1:47:01
  Instagram. But it's really just my kids
• 1:47:04
  doing athletic things. It's like my, it's like the
• 1:47:08
  modern day, like wallet photos. Yes, yes.
• 1:47:10
  Yes. So.
• 1:47:11
  Awesome. You won't see me doing, like,
• 1:47:14
  mediocre things. You'll see, like my kids doing
• 1:47:16
  really cool things. Mm.
• 1:47:18
  Hmm. Yeah.
• 1:47:18
  Yeah, cool. It's the fun.
• 1:47:19
  I love that. Yeah, awesome.
• 1:47:21
  All righty. Thank.
• 1:47:23
  You. We're gonna walk down you.
• 1:47:25
  And hang out and read your stories.
• 1:47:27
  Yeah, get some behind the scenes.
• 1:47:29
  Have a great day in the. Woods, yeah.
• 1:47:31
  Yeah, beautiful. Settings.
• 1:47:32
  Amazing. Beautiful time.
• 1:47:34
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