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ITB: Going Inside Philadelphia Eagles' Offensive Coordinator Search · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on everybody?
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  Speaker 1: It's Jeff Moser, Adam Kaplan and Inside the Birds. All
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  Speaker 1: season begins now, and we've got a lot of topics
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  Speaker 1: that we'll be covering in this podcast this week throughout
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  Speaker 1: the off season. Adam as the Eagles, it's got to
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  Speaker 1: crush them. It's got to crush some people in the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles organization on the team to watch the playoffs and think, man,
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  Speaker 1: if we weren't just twenty five percent better at this
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  Speaker 1: or that, maybe that could have been us, you know,
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  Speaker 1: especially watching the forty nine ers get their asses handed
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  Speaker 1: to them by the Seahawks, which.
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  Speaker 3: I was expecting. I rarely predict blowouts. I'm like, this
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  Speaker 3: has got to be a blowout. I don't see how
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  Speaker 3: the hell the team that couldn't score at home against
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  Speaker 3: the Seahawks is somehow on the road now minus George Kittle,
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  Speaker 3: how they're going to score? And they didn't. They got destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: The tone was Rashid Shaheed's a kickoff re turn for
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  Speaker 3: ninety five yards first play the game and Seattle never
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  Speaker 3: look back. It was just it was kind of like,
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  Speaker 3: there's no mercy role in the NFL. But I just
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  Speaker 3: felt so bad, like they were so inapt yep, and look,
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  Speaker 3: this is what happens when you were without your best plasure.
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  Speaker 3: At some point you're gonna have to pay the piper
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  Speaker 3: and the shorts hell did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I always feel like when a game starts off or
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  Speaker 1: has a huge special teams like a return touchdown, a
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  Speaker 1: punt or a kick return touchdown, that's just such a
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  Speaker 1: favor already a bonus for the team that's able to score.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, every possession matters so much in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs, and when you get one of those, it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's like house money almost. I remember the old
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  Speaker 1: remember the Giants and Ravens played each other, and the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl was a too die I forget nineties whatever,
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  Speaker 1: where the Ravens were kicking the crap out of the Giants,
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  Speaker 1: and then the Giants open up the second half with
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  Speaker 1: a kick return touchdown and then Baltimore responds. I think
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  Speaker 1: Jermaine Lewis he returns the next kick when kickoff return
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns to kick off or you just know it's not
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  Speaker 1: your day when the other team can do that. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we got a lot to talk about with the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: here and Obviously we'll start off with transactions. They're gonna
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  Speaker 1: make a ton of transactions throughout the off season. It
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  Speaker 1: always begins with the futures guys right after sometimes a
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  Speaker 1: day or not even a day after the end of
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  Speaker 1: the season.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the case here.
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  Speaker 3: You don't have a limited time to resign them where
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  Speaker 3: they're free to sign elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, there were a couple interesting names. So here
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  Speaker 3: are the players that they signed. I think they signed
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  Speaker 3: twelve Carson Steele. If you really follow the NFL, he
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  Speaker 3: made the Chiefs roster. I believe he's an undrafted free
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  Speaker 3: agent his rookie season, and he went up starting a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of games last year in twenty four because that's
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  Speaker 3: when it's probably when Pacheco got hurt. Anyway, he wound
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  Speaker 3: up starting a little bit and he was like a
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  Speaker 3: darling for fantasy for like two weeks that he just fizzled. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's he could play fullback, which he did, and could
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  Speaker 3: play running back. So got to watch in their off
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  Speaker 3: season program. Danny Gray is back one more time. I
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  Speaker 3: give Eagles credit for not walking away from with that speed.
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  Speaker 3: Quas Watkins. I mean, it's remarkable. Former six round pick
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  Speaker 3: We know he can run.
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  Speaker 2: We know that is edit right, you just said it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't you don't walk away when you got speed?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, bite the hands right spite the problems with the
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  Speaker 3: hands of track in the football.
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  Speaker 2: E J.
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  Speaker 3: Jenkins is back. Who I know are Andrew to Checko's
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  Speaker 3: talk has gotten No, uh, they're not giving up on him.
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  Speaker 3: A former college receiver. They did resign Holland Pierce. Jake
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  Speaker 3: Majors is back. There's an undirected free agent from a
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  Speaker 3: couple of years ago who was with the Titans, John Ojoku.
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  Speaker 3: I think is how you pronounce it. He's there. He's
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  Speaker 3: got good length defensively. A couple of interesting names here,
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  Speaker 3: guys who had not been with the Eagles before. One
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  Speaker 3: in particular, gave Halls back. That's a good thing. They're
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  Speaker 3: seeing this through with him after that really good offseason.
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  Speaker 3: The guy we're going to talk about it Soose Ramirez,
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  Speaker 3: who was the MAC Player of the Year Defensive Player
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  Speaker 3: of the Year in twenty twenty two. He was not
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  Speaker 3: gonna get drafted, I can tell you from talking to
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  Speaker 3: some Scotland people. But he went off. He had double
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  Speaker 3: jigit sacks and had a great senior season. In Eastern
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  Speaker 3: Michigan and got drafted six round by the Bucks in
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  Speaker 3: twenty three. So he's back now.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't make Did he not make the Bucks out
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  Speaker 1: of training camp or did he?
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  Speaker 3: He was there briefly and then he spent the last
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  Speaker 3: season in the CFL. Oh okay, that's right, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So this is Look, it's it's an all season project.
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  Speaker 3: Sure you see what he can do. Chance Campbell, who
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  Speaker 3: was with Bobby King, their linepacker's coach with the Titans,
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  Speaker 3: so he was with them last year. Taric Castro Fields
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  Speaker 3: Andrew said he talked to Brandon Johnson. He should be
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  Speaker 3: good for the off season program after that ankle injury.
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  Speaker 3: Andre sam is back. And understand something we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: this before in the years past. Just because a guy
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  Speaker 3: doesn't resign now, it doesn't mean he won't be back
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  Speaker 3: later than the odds are against it. So here are
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  Speaker 3: the four guys who have not been resigned. Kyle McCord
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  Speaker 3: hasn't resigned. Not a good sign, doesn't It's not great,
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  Speaker 3: but you never know. Terres Marshall, Taekwon Graham who up boy,
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  Speaker 3: he was a player for the Falcons. All sorts of
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  Speaker 3: injuries for them, but he just brought him into the
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  Speaker 3: practice squab to haven't resigned him. And Patrick Johnson's a guy. Look,
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  Speaker 3: he could sign right for a training camp.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you wonder how much of them A court thing
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  Speaker 1: is that the Eagles quarterback room is.
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  Speaker 4: Going to look a lot different.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Sam Howell has an expiring contract and
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  Speaker 1: then there's going to be trade rumor speculation potential around
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  Speaker 1: Tanner McKee. So the Eagles may want they may have
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  Speaker 1: some kind of other idea for those two spots.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't it this time when did they bring in?
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  Speaker 1: No, they traded because they had Dorian Thompson Robinson last
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  Speaker 1: year that he came over in what the picket trade
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  Speaker 1: was it?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, off season and he was caught. He is not
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  Speaker 3: to my knowledge after he has caught him. I do
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  Speaker 3: not believe he signed with the practice squad. I could
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  Speaker 3: be wrong, but I don't remember seeing it right.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, But to your point, like you know, there's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be movement there in the quarterback room, so they may
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  Speaker 1: not be just worrying.
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  Speaker 2: Right now to get McCord.
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  Speaker 4: I want to go back to Carson Steele.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really interested in this because When the Eagles announced
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  Speaker 1: his signing, they announced it as a full back. He
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  Speaker 1: played both full back and running back for the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a guy who had almost six hundred
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  Speaker 1: and fifty carries in his college career at two years
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  Speaker 1: at ball State and then I think Ucla was the
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  Speaker 1: last year. I don't believe he was used very often,
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  Speaker 1: if at all, as a full back in college, he
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  Speaker 1: carried the ball quite a bit. So I'm curious where
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles are going with this. We know Ben Van
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  Speaker 1: Sumerin had the injury. We know that, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: possible as we get into the OC candidates that a
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  Speaker 1: fullback might become a bigger part of their offense, depending
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  Speaker 1: on who is the OC and all. We know that
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  Speaker 1: they've tried to incorporate the fullback in their offense since
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  Speaker 1: was it the twenty twenty four season they had carry
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  Speaker 1: blasting game.
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  Speaker 3: Right black for Dark Henry Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm just interested in their concept of the
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  Speaker 1: fullback and what they're looking for.
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  Speaker 3: This guy, Carson Steele holy smokes twenty twenty two for
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  Speaker 3: ball State before he transferred to UCLA one of over
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  Speaker 3: fifteen hundred yards.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, he caught the ball a lot too.
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  Speaker 4: In college.
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  Speaker 3: His high was twenty nine that year at ball State.
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  Speaker 3: So you're talking about a guy at over three hundred
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  Speaker 3: touches in one season for ball State in twenty twenty two. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: something there. Yeah, he was a phenomenon for the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 3: Like fans, you know, they sometimes they attach onto an
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  Speaker 3: undirected free agent. Yeah, he was that guy, no question.
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  Speaker 3: And it's funny his UH is on his IG ready
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  Speaker 3: put him. I guess he's gonna be number forty two
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  Speaker 3: because if you check his IG because he's got long
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  Speaker 3: he is just like you know, he has a certain
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  Speaker 3: work for people like Yeah, yeah, interesting signing.
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  Speaker 4: I hope Van Sumer comes back really healthy.
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  Speaker 1: And it was really kind of cool fullback battle between
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  Speaker 1: two guys.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Van Sumer is probably the better athlete.
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  Speaker 3: He had great hands, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Carson Steel, right, he just passes and.
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  Speaker 3: Had great hands. Remember Greg said he had heard col City.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how the hell he found that one out.
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  Speaker 3: BET's hands on the team'll get out of here, really okay,
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  Speaker 3: maybe even if.
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  Speaker 1: It's just running back room, it's it's really not that
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  Speaker 1: surprising because Barkley's hands are okay, they're not they're not.
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  Speaker 3: Going great.
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  Speaker 4: At all, and then who is their backup this year?
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  Speaker 1: I can't even think at the moment, Oh Simpley's hands
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  Speaker 1: are good, he can catch, but I don't even think
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  Speaker 1: Chipley has that sort of explosion that Van Sumeren had
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  Speaker 1: prior to the injury.
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  Speaker 2: Van Sumer is a hell of an athlete. I mean
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  Speaker 2: he is.
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  Speaker 3: Remember he's a former running back, running back and then
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  Speaker 3: the linebacker. But with Ben, he's had two major knee
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  Speaker 3: injuries and you don't know where where he's at physically.
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  Speaker 3: I think this one was what I torn for Teller Tenant.
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  Speaker 3: See I can't even remember in a c L that, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's had two bad injuries. So anyway we wish, let's
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  Speaker 3: we'll see what he looks like. You just don't know
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  Speaker 3: what he can do anymore. And here's the thing about
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  Speaker 3: will Shipley. He is explosive with the balton his hands,
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  Speaker 3: but he's not strong up lower bodies just not strong.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's not going to point. I agree.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, and he got a little bit bigger from
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  Speaker 1: rookie to sofas the second year, but he does have
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  Speaker 1: to continue to add strength, muscle, learn how to playoff contact.
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  Speaker 1: That's something Barkley obviously does amazingly, but yeah, that would
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  Speaker 1: benefit him more.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And of course Tank Bigsby is is because of Tank
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  Speaker 1: Bigsby is great at playing off contact and that's why
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  Speaker 1: he was you know, traded for and then started to
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  Speaker 1: see all that a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: More time uh down down the stretch. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: good running back room the egos got, Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, brings more competition to training company, all season program, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: no doubt.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: The Patrick Johnson, of course not surprising. I am interested
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  Speaker 1: because of what you said though in Ramirez, just because
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, you hear these small school guys who
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  Speaker 1: really explode, right, and he was the MAC defensive player
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  Speaker 1: of the Year. And you know, certainly the coaching staff
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  Speaker 1: has done an amazing job with a guy like Jelex Hunt.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to compare them athletically, but Jelex
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  Speaker 1: Hunt went to a small school and has been a
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  Speaker 1: year ahead of schedule ever since he got on the
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  Speaker 1: field for the Eagles. So the Ramirez guy sort of
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  Speaker 1: tantalizes me because he was he stood out at a
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  Speaker 1: small school.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just to give you an idea of how good
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  Speaker 3: he was, he had twelve sacks at nineteen and a
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  Speaker 3: half tackles for a loss, and that got him drafted.
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  Speaker 3: The one year got him drafted. I talked to someone
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  Speaker 3: in scouting when another team who said, oh yeah, he
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  Speaker 3: just blew it up. He kind of. I guess if
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  Speaker 3: you had his area, he knew who he was because
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  Speaker 3: this junior was decent, but that would not have got
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  Speaker 3: him drafted. So yeah, he got him in your off
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  Speaker 3: season program. Never know because all you know out of nowhere,
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: you know, the Eagles made the well we knew that
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  Speaker 3: they were working on it, but they got but to
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  Speaker 3: start last season, it's not like Jalen Phillips was on
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  Speaker 3: the roster or on the radar. They added BG, came
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: out of retirement, added Jalen Phillips. BG again is not signed.
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  Speaker 3: See if he wants to play again. Never to say never,
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  Speaker 3: Ye Phillips is his contracts up. It was the social
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  Speaker 3: laard got hurt. So yeah, I mean they do have
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  Speaker 3: a need for depth.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, And that's a great point. That great great segue.
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  Speaker 1: We'll we will start to get into our roster review
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  Speaker 1: that we do every year around this time. Pretty soon
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go through the offense seat tell everybody what
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  Speaker 1: they need to know about the direction the team's going
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  Speaker 1: in there defense. The next part too, we'll have that
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  Speaker 1: out pretty soon, but obviously we've got to get some
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  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator stuff going first. And then also Adam, on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: we'll drop part one of a fantastic two part to
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  Speaker 1: Checko Daily special And let me just tell you, guys,
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  Speaker 1: you're all in for a treat. The Checko did a
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  Speaker 1: great sit down well at zoom chat if you will,
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  Speaker 1: with Marty morning Leg to talk about Hurts and also
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  Speaker 1: about offensive play calling, which.
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  Speaker 2: Are all, you know, really pertinent topics.
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  Speaker 1: And first of all, with the Hurts thing, because if
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  Speaker 1: you remember, Marty was on the staff for Hurts' first year,
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  Speaker 1: some amazing stories some probably never been told before, wor
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  Speaker 1: stories about Marty's involvement in both not only just developing
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  Speaker 1: him but even scouting him prior to him being drafted,
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  Speaker 1: and his in his say in the process. There really
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  Speaker 1: good stuff. And then yeah, really good, really good stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And then part two will be about how Marty sees,
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  Speaker 1: you know, play calling, what he thinks is important that
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles decide about what they want to do, what
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  Speaker 1: they want to be as they get this play caller,
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  Speaker 1: and then how difficult or how environmentally important being a
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  Speaker 1: play caller is like having somebody you can nurture. He
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  Speaker 1: talked about his relationship with Andy Reid and vice versa.
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  Speaker 1: And he also talked about when he worked for defensive
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  Speaker 1: head coaches the difference between that and offensive head coaches.
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  Speaker 1: So Andrew asked great questions. Marty was fired up as
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  Speaker 1: Marty he was out in Montana. You know, he went
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  Speaker 1: to the University of Montana. He does like play by
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  Speaker 1: play for the school, So he was out there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was out there in Montana and you can see
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  Speaker 1: him with the fireplace on in the back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So what happened is Andrew and I were doing the
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  Speaker 3: DCB show last week. He said, I think he said,
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  Speaker 3: I'm thinking to call him Marty morning. Way do a
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  Speaker 3: show with him, to do an interview?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Please do.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, he's phenomenal. You never know what he's
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  Speaker 3: going to say, which is the beauty of it? And
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  Speaker 3: next thing I know, I guess Friday he texted us.
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  Speaker 3: He goes, I'm Marty and I are talking Tom. I'm oh,
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  Speaker 3: I cannot wait for this. I haven't heard of you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't this is my first I've heard of it
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  Speaker 3: about what they were talking about. So, so it's a
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  Speaker 3: two part A. Wow, it's that long.
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  Speaker 2: Holy So yeah, forty minutes. Yeah, it was good.
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  Speaker 3: And Andrew had Brad Chilter song before he had him
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  Speaker 3: on last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: I cannot wait to hear this. I used toill love
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  Speaker 3: talking to Marty. He's great. I felt he dumbed it
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  Speaker 3: down for me early in my career because it was
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  Speaker 3: he didn't put it over like some coaches you talk to,
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  Speaker 3: they don't even care if you what your background is.
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  Speaker 3: They want to talk high level football. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I feel embarrassed to ask him what he meant by
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  Speaker 3: you know what a coach meant by that.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But with him, oh, he was, in fact you were
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  Speaker 3: covering the team. And then I'm pretty sure I actually
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  Speaker 3: still have my email notes. This is how on AOL,
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  Speaker 3: this is how long ago it was. So it was
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  Speaker 3: a chop talk Marty had with us probably like seven
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  Speaker 3: eight era area, and he was going over does specific
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  Speaker 3: play calls what they meant, and he just he just
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  Speaker 3: did such a great job. I'm pretty certain I have it.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm going to Now that you've brought this up,
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  Speaker 3: I gotta find it anyway.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, see, Brad Childress is very insightful and
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  Speaker 1: he has really good that's the word I'm looking for,
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  Speaker 1: just really good way of explaining things. Marty is that,
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  Speaker 1: but with the additional like at some point it felt
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  Speaker 1: like Mark, it felt like Marty was interviewing Andrew so
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  Speaker 1: much energy.
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  Speaker 2: No, he didn't drop a sick click in this one.
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  Speaker 3: That one, to me should have been a meme before
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  Speaker 3: memes were out, because I just that was his pet
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  Speaker 3: phrase and we all made fun of him, like jokingly,
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  Speaker 3: like oh my god. And the great thing is we
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  Speaker 3: would set them up in a press and never cared
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  Speaker 3: for during press converce because they oc has had to
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  Speaker 3: speak once a week and we make sure we'd we
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  Speaker 3: would go like is it does it happen frequently? And
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  Speaker 3: we we'd urge him to stay sick.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway anyway.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: So yeah, make sure everybody checks that out and it'll
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: be up to probably Tuesday and Wednesday, part one and
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: part two on our inside the Birds platform.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: And there's a video component.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: We usually did check o daily as an audio podcast,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: but we have the video component if you want to
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: watch it, you can't wait. All right, offensive coordinators, let's
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: get into the names, like well, cover the names of
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: people who've interviewed or or requested to be interviewed so far,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: and then as as.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: The week goes on, we'll get into him more.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Zach Robinson's an interesting one, Adam, because this is a
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: guy and we're gonna probably have this conversation about other
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: guys that Eagles talk to or might be interested in.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: But obviously he's someone who comes from Atlanta last year
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: under Raheem Morris. But he really is a branch from
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the McVeigh tree, right from his He's spent several years
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: under McVeigh.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: With the Rams.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: So when you talk to a guy like this, right,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: whether you're Howie, whether you're Nick, all the people involved,
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: this is who he is. And then you have to
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: and this is something already talked about, you have to
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: decide if that's how you want to be as an offense.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Those kind of concepts which we talk about all the time,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: which is a lot of under center, a lot of
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: pre stat motion, a lot of misdirection. We have this
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: conversation a lot.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we talked about him on our Thursday show.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: It's the first. I think it was the first name
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: we talked about, just because I knew he was available.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: From just talk to some coaches around the league, it
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: sounds like he wasn't gonna come back to Atlanta just
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: because they're gonna have a new head coach. Yep, Kevin
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: Stefanski is their head coach. Kevin does run a West
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Coast offense, but they don't have a relationship. So the
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: thought and the belief is and that's why Robinson's interviewing
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: from it's not just with Eagle to a interview with
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: He interviewed with other teams. But yeah, he was with
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: McVeigh for five seasons, was the OC for the Falcons
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: for just two, So he's only called plays for two years, right,
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: But he was drafted into the league. Really smart guy.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I love that he's got the McVeigh concepts. He was
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: a seventh round pick. I do remember that.
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: Oklahoma State he was a QB right, yeah.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. In fact, I remember Paul Gunther told me.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I remember Paul Gunthrough the former Bengals decordinator Raiders decordinators
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: now at dwant LV is their coordinator defensive coordinator. He
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: spoke very high level him. He this was just I
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: remember his name came up a couple of years ago.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: He goes, oh, yeah, I could tell this kid was
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: pretty smart. Yeah, where that goes?
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder where he got connected with McVeigh along
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: the way, because I don't think he played He never
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: played in Washington when he was a quarterback.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: No. No, As a matter of fact, he was with PFF.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: I believe for a brief time.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: That's right, I think correct.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's honestly, there was.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: His first coaching job was in twenty nineteen with the
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Rams assistant quarterbacks coach m h. Yeah, there was. From
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: fourteenth or eighteen, he was out of the league. I
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: don't know what he was doing. But the bottom line
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: is it's that McVeigh. I like that he sort of
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: had apprenticeship in the in the McVeigh system. And you
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: know McVeigh and Shanahan, Yes they are calling the same language,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: but they don't see it exactly the same way.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yes, they're a big both big emotion and deception all that,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: but they it's like from the and Andy took the
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: West Coast offense, he bastardied is like he he took
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: it a completely different way. It's funny how they all
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: see it differently.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I think what's impressive about him is how quickly he
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: rose up. It's not like he was a quality control
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: guy in the NFL for a few years. His first
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: job with McVeigh was assistant quarterbacks, then next year was
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: assistant wide receivers. In the year after that, he's I
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: think us QB's coach, so that that was, or pass
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: game coordinator something like that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: By so.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So he's bright, so and he would bring a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: lot of different concepts to the Eagles offense that they
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he would presumably do these things that they
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: don't do.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I mean, and that'll be I get on
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: football at four. I talked about that exactly what you
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: just mentioned, just some of the things that are so
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: obvious that have to be done these coaches. And we'll
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: talk about Brian Dable and a couple others we talked about.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: We talked about table last week. But I just can't
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: imagine when they watched this tabe did they go, wait
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: a minute, you guys who were thirty second in screens?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Why screens called? Why? What's your answer for this right,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: the hell is that acceptable to me? Is it's unfathomable
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: that that could happen.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you almost think you would benefit a coordinator. Candidates
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: are just sit in a chair and the first thing
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to say is, I'm gonna bring you guys.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: A screen game again. Okay, anything, anything?
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something innovative, like you did talk about Brian Dable
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: last pod. I think his offense really would fit the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Eagles well. I mean he has worked with a lot
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: of different athletic quarterbacks.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: That helps.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I don't think the run game, it would be as
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: much as him spicing up the pass game, which is
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: which might be fine with Jeff Delllin being the run
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: game designer.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had. The thing that I like is, yes,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: he's called plays for so many different teams. He's coach quarterbacks,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: he's coach wide receivers, tight ends, which you love that
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: he's coached all sorts of positions. The coaches that work
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: with them for the four seasons he was with the
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Bills felt that it was one of the best coaching.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: One coach I talked to work with and says, and
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think this guy's like Beeble's best friend. I'll
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: put it that way. He said, it's one of the
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: best coaching jobs he's ever seen, the way that he
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: coached Josh Allen super hard. Josh Allen, you have to remember,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: one of the most inaccurate quarterbacks in Division on history
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: in terms of being a first round pick. Yeah, guys
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: like by Josh Allen don't make it. If you're under
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: sixty percent in college. It's really hard to improve accuracy.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: You talk to any quarterbacks coch she'll tell you it's
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: really difficult. And dab all just did it a great job.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: So overall, that would be a helm run higher. But
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I've been told by two people that there are multiple
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: head coaches and candidates that have day ball, very interested
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: in dayball. He's highly in demand as a coordinator, not
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: just the Eagles, other teams. It'll be hard to get him.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It would be an absolute home run higher, no question
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: about it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: If they can again, I.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Agree, it would be a home run higher for the offense.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: I do wonder how certain dynamics would work out. You know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: he is at a different stage of his career as
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is when they were together at Alabama. That
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: is the year that Jalen Hurts got yanked in the
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: National Championship Game. And I know Nick Sirianni has talked
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: about because they were together on the Kansas City staff.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: But that was quite a while ago, and I don't
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: know what.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: We'd have to see because both of those guys are
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: kind of like Alpha's right. They get very fiery Sirianni
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: and Dabele, which can be great or it could be
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like a salt and pepper type of thing
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: or oil.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I hear you.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: But Dable is an even stronger personality. He's exactly this
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: is the guy who's just not a head coach, but
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: he's a phenomenal schemer and designer. And the good thing
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: is it's kind of like it's kind of like Todd Monkin.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: You can't really pin him down on any particular thing.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: He he he's malleable, like you could. He could form
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: whatever he thinks his needed. He could do that that season, right,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: and he coaches hard, which is what hurts once. But obviously, yes,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: as he said, they coached together, but they could really,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, that was so long ago. Everybody changes and
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: it's different as they get older. So we'll see what
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: happens here. But that I just I like that just
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: on the surface. That's it's good to see the direction
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: that they're trying to get here.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly a wide net because you would not
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: put Robinson's offense and dables offense in the same category.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: They're completely different. And then of course the next guy,
• 23:11
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: The thing I look about Kafka is, you know, unfortunately
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: there his tenure as the offensive coordinator, he got the
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: plays he was given play calling, Dable took it back
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: and give it back to him. But the cool thing
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: about what he did is talking to son to coach
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: with him, is that he doesn't see it like a
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: lot of these Andy Reid guys like he Yes, Andy
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  Speaker 3: brought in his horizons. He wasn't so Mike Holmgren West
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  Speaker 3: Coast vision like it. It's sees it like Shanahan. He
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: they took it a different way. Kafka's big on trick
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: plays like h sorts of different. He sees it a
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: little differently like he's he sees it. He's outside the
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: box thinkers as this coach Tuck. He told me, So
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: that was good to know. Uh, super smart guy, this
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: coach said, Uh, and look, you love that he's worked
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: with quarterbacks someone.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's worked with a lot of them, Mahomes and
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Jackson Dart obviously.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: So that's Daniel Daniel Joes.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, who's the Who's the guy who became a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: cult hero in New Jersey, DeVito, But yeah, I mean
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: he's come across a lot of different guys.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Winston made some start.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: It seemed like he was able.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's him directly, but watching the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Giants over the last five Wandale Robinson started to get
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: more involved. Theo Johnson got a little bit more involved
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: in the offense, and and you're right, the offense. The
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: offense looked a little bit differently when when he was
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: finally able to just have the play calling and not
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: worry about it getting taken away every two seconds.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, exactly. So it's, uh, it's just kind of
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: funny that Kafka and Dable interview list. It's just got
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: a funny you know that they worked together.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I know it is kind of interesting.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: And then of course I think you predicted this was
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: going to happen just because, all right, Nick sirian is
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: gonna get one of his guys, Jims, James Robert Couter.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: This to me is like Nick Sirianni bringing in a guy,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: you know, you give him a chance that's his. But
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: there's so many kind of red flags to it. He's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: not been a play caller, right, No, he has no, No,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: he wasn't playing calling plays in Indianapolis, correct, Yeah.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: No, yeah, no he at Indy not calling it because
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Chrishane Steykeen is. No, he did a good job. He
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: was like the sexy name and like twenty seventeen.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Lions was that when he was at the Lion?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, correct, yes, with Stafford because he was Stafford. Yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: and then he was unfortunate with the staff that got fired, right,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and he kind of moved on and he's kind of
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: bounced around, and he's a really sharp guy.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: It's just.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: He's this is a this is a guy who was
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: here in Philly, so he kind of knows. He knows
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: about her team. He was on the stage. He was
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: a consultant's more of a senior offensive assistant. Yes, doing
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: advanced projects and so forth.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: Honestly, he just should have been with the team last year.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: But I coordinated, like he said, with the red flag,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: this is not I like, I like the calf go
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: on day ball is a home run. It's going to
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: be very difficult. Zach Robinson's different. Yeah, I mean Jim
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Bob Couter is here, so he least knows the challenge
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: with hurts of strength and weaknesses and everything, all the
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: whole package. He knows because he's friends with Nick and
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: they're other coaches. So but I just think this is
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: a look, it could be a fallback option.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: I know he's a good coach, but I just don't
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: I want someone outside this trade man.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, right, you're looking in order for people
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to truly trust that Nick is handed over the keys
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and they're not running some variation of Knicks offense.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: And he's got a known his own acolyte in there.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: And I think that I know what we know.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: The reporting that's out there a little bit too much
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: is made of Jeffrey and how we are always going
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to be involved in this stuff.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: It should an offense.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Anybody that, no matter who gets hired into this. And
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: and by the way, Dom is sitting in it too,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like there are guys who are always going to be
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: involved in this process, so it shouldn't who's leading it
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: is almost not even is important.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right, right, They're all gonna talk about it
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: and all gonna figure out what's best for the team.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's there may be other names. I mean,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: it generally takes ten to fourteen days to get a
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: coordinator higher because you have to go through you have
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: to go through Maney World candidates, right, You sometimes want
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: to have second interviews. Okay, that could happen. And then
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: there are other guys that are rumored. Cliff Kingsbury's not happened.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Mike McDaniels, I mean he wants to be head coach, right,
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  Speaker 3: that would be It's just funny you're talking about another
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  Speaker 3: West Coast guy, but he's he's he's a Shanahan part
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  Speaker 3: of West Coast. It's kind of funny with the the
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  Speaker 3: North Turner. There's there's a Nerf Turner, Ernie Samps group.
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  Speaker 3: We should do, we should do. Like you know, I'd
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  Speaker 3: love to do a show with Marty one time. We'd
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  Speaker 3: go over every every influence in his career.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, study yeah, yeah, that would be great.
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  Speaker 4: All right, We'll continue to go into more names.
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  Speaker 1: As they come up throughout the process that they'll do
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