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The DOJ is Destroying Doctors Who Questioned COVID · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Imagine you're a doctor and you've spent your whole life trying to save people. And during COVID, you did exactly that. You built the largest COVID testing site in your state because you thought that was what you're supposed to do. You helped bring a treatment to your community that cured people in sometimes fifteen minutes or less. Governors gave you awards.
• 0:32
  The media had had you on every week. But then you started asking questions. Why is this life saving treatment suddenly disappearing? Why are red states getting cut off while blue states keep getting supplies? And four months after you went on the national television and said that people are gonna die because of these decisions, the federal government indicted you, not for hurting anyone, but for picking the wrong billing code on five patient charts out of over a 100,000 people that you treated.
• 1:02
  And now you're facing up to fifty years in prison. That's not a movie, that's a true story, and it happened to my guest today. So who is this person? His name is doctor Ron Elfenbine. He's an emergency room physician trained at Johns Hopkins.
• 1:17
  And during COVID, he built a testing and treatment operation that grew from six employees to over 300 in just over a year. He was on Fox, CBS, NBC, even Saudi Arabian news talking about a treatment called monoclonal antibodies, something that president Trump received himself when he had COVID. So doctor Ron watched that treatment work with his own eyes again and again. And when he saw the government under Biden pull it away and push something else instead, he spoke up. But that's when everything changed.
• 1:46
  This isn't about just one doctor. This is about what happens when you tell the truth in this country today. Doctor. Ron isn't the only one. If it can happen to a doctor with awards from both political parties, a doctor who saved hundreds of lives during the worst public health crisis of our lifetime, it can happen to any of us.
• 2:06
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• 2:42
  Alright. Let's get into my interview now with doctor Ron Elphenbein. Doctor Ron Elphenbein, it is good to have you on the show, and I'm really excited to get your story out. So thank you for being here. I'm looking forward to this discussion.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Seth. It's great to finally meet you. Big fan of your show.
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: I I always I always love hearing that, especially from smart people. Right? So it's always nice to, you know, have people that are like, okay. I'm not just kind of reaching the, you know, people that I think is like myself. I'm reaching people that are, you know, lots of good degrees and intelligent, successful people.
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: A degree doesn't mean you're smart, so don't don't fall into that trap.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: That's true. Actually, I do have a degree from art school, so we'll see how you know, yeah, that's it served me well perhaps. So, you know, just to give kind of an overview, I'll give you a basic understanding of your story, I really wanna kinda walk you through, have you walk us through it. You are obviously a doctor, an MD. You're very successful, very celebrated by even, you know, bipartisan support by the medical associations in your state.
• 3:46
  You were, you know, very proactive during the early COVID stages and, you know, testing a lot of things. But it seems like you made this fatal mistake of thinking for yourself, And you started kinda seeing some inconsistencies and then started highlighting those, and then the system then turned on you. Right? Same system was supporting you, turned on you. Your case was, I think, kind of kinda thrown out initially, but then DOJ opened it back up.
• 4:11
  They're coming back at you again. So that's just kind of my limited kind of understanding of the generals, but okay. Can let's walk us walk us through that process. You tell us that story, starting at maybe around Sure. 2020 or so.
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I owned an urgent care center and I could see what was coming in terms of COVID coming to The United States, even though our government was telling us it wasn't. I could clearly see that there was something coming. So I started to prepare. I started to prepare my staff.
• 4:38
  I didn't actually work at the facility. I was just a medical director. So, I started to purchase PPE, personal protective equipment, and testing supplies, and teaching my staff what to do, and how to care for patients, and how to be safe. And we very quickly became the largest testing site in the area, and then I believe in the state of Maryland. We grew from one site, about six employees, to over eight sites and over 300 employees in about a fourteen month span.
• 5:04
  So, just exponential growth. And it wasn't because of some great business acumen. It was because the world was ending and the people were lining up because they needed to be tested. Like, that's it. There overwhelming demand and nobody could meet that demand.
• 5:17
  So, I mean, just to give you an example, we would open one of our sites at 08:00 in the morning. We had people lining up at four 4AM, backing up over a mile in their cars. I mean, I'm not exaggerating. We had to hire off duty police officers to come and man this because we couldn't manage. It was just insane.
• 5:38
  So, we were the largest testing site, certainly the largest private one in the state. And then President Trump in 2020 got monoclonal antibodies. And I watched this, and I watched him be helicoptered from the White House to the hospital, to I think he Walter went Reed, got admitted, said he felt terrible. He got monoclonal antibodies. And within a couple hours, he walked out of the hospital saying, I feel like a new person.
• 6:07
  That was a direct quote. So I was like, Wow, this is incredible. I mean, I'd heard about monoclonal antibody technology. It's something that's been around since the '70s, and I'll go into what that is in a second. But I was like, I got to learn everything I can about that because that right there is the cure for this disease.
• 6:22
  Everybody should be getting that. So I researched it and I mean, I don't know anything about that stuff. That's not what I do. You get shot, you get stabbed, you have a heart attack, you get run over by a car. I'm your guy, right?
• 6:32
  I'm an emergency room doctor. I trained at Johns Hopkins. I treat emergencies. Infusions was not my thing. But I'm like, Let me learn about it because we have the opportunity to cure people.
• 6:41
  So, what a monoclonal antibody is, if you imagine Remember those koosh balls? Little balls you could throw and they would make the koosh sound with all the little hairs sticking off?
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: So each one of those hairs, let's imagine that's a virus particle. Each one of those hairs is a protein that sticks off of a virus particle. And your body creates antibodies, which is a protein that is an exact mirror image of what's sticking off. So, if this is the hair, my finger is the hair, your body creates something that binds to the hair just like that, okay? It's exact mirror opposite of what the protein is that looks like in three dimensions on the virus.
• 7:20
  And your body, it binds up the virus so the virus can't infect you. So what the drug manufacturers do is they take the best antibody they can find against that particular antigen, that particular thing, virus, bacteria, protozoan, whatever it is, this foreign invader to your body. And they manufacture it and they take it, they make It's mono meaning one, clonal meaning it's been cloned. So they take that one antibody and they replicate it trillions of times. And it comes in a little vial.
• 7:50
  It's a powder. You mix it with some saline and then you infuse it into somebody's arm over in about thirty minutes. And basically what it is, is it's what your body would produce given three or four weeks, we can give you in thirty minutes. So if you imagine your own immune system, we're supercharging it. That's what it is.
• 8:09
  And this is the technology that's been around since the '70s. We use it for lots of things in medicine. It's not new. It's been tried and tested and it's been proven to work in multiple different I mean, immunology, cancer, heart disease, migraine headaches, other infectious diseases, all these things this technology will treat. So, when I watched Trump get better with this stuff, I'm like, Oh my God, we have this cure.
• 8:32
  And I was on national and international news at least once a week. I was on CBS, Fox, NBC, Breitbart, Sky News, Saudi Arabian news. I mean, believe it or not, Saudi Arabia had me on their news program. It's very odd. But anyway, we're talking about COVID, and then I started to talk about monoclonal antibodies.
• 8:52
  And I was like, This is the greatest thing ever. And I set up two infusion centers because this stuff was so wonderful. And I watched with my own two eyes as people got better within fifteen minutes of getting this infusion. And I'm not exaggerating. That's not hyperbole.
• 9:07
  It's incredible. The efficacy was like nothing I've ever seen in medicine. And I would have set up 100 sites if I could have. If I couldn't find the staff and I couldn't find the locations, but I would have kept going because the stuff was so wonderful. And then I set up a third one at the behest of the federal government, actually.
• 9:24
  HHS, the Health and Human Services Department reached out to me and said, We'd like to open up a site at FedEx Field where the Redskins play football. Could you help us with that? So, I went into partnership with the federal government and the Maryland Department of Health, and we opened up a site at FedEx Field and I ran it for a year and a half. And actually, what we set up there, I called the test to treat model, that became the model going forward for the entire country for monoclonal antibodies. We would basically take people and test them.
• 9:50
  And if they tested positive, we would have them wait in their car while the rapid test came back. And if they tested positive, we'd take them right from their car and put them in a chair and cure them of their COVID right then and there. It was remarkable. I mean, truly remarkable. It was the cure.
• 10:04
  And then I started to, to your point, I started to question on national television, why are we going down this rabbit hole of universal vaccination? That's all we will talk about, the government meaning. That's all they would talk about. We have a cure. We don't need to shut the world down.
• 10:20
  We don't need to close schools. We don't need to tank the economy. We can treat those people who get sick, and we can vaccinate the elderly who are at high risk. And if they get sick, we can cure them. Why are we shutting the world down?
• 10:33
  Why are we doing all these things that don't make any sense medically when we have this cure?
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: And so this was kinda and this was early on in vaccination kinda campaign before a lot of the the kind of the real side effects and all those things started coming out. So it seemed like it was like, okay. Because I remember those early days, and you're kind of looking, you're waiting, and you're, you know now I'm I tend to be more skeptical. So I'm like, okay. Where are all the the lies in propaganda?
• 10:55
  But you can still see though that
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 10:57
  Speaker 1: There's this massive machine moving, and this massive machine was then, like, paving this perfect shiny smooth road for the giant vaccine bulldozer, right, just to kinda move through. And it's like, all of sudden, the only solution was not hydroxychloroquine. It wasn't ivermectin. It wasn't anything like that. It was just, like, vaccine vaccine vaccine everywhere.
• 11:19
  Right? And so you're seeing this and saying, okay. This doesn't make sense. Okay. I'll let you continue, though.
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: No. No. No. No. I mean, you're absolutely right.
• 11:27
  And what what really got me about that because look, trained as a physician, you're trained to believe what they tell you. The CDC says this. You're gonna go with it because they're the experts. What really got me was, first of all, their nonsense about like, you know, you could go to Walmart, but you couldn't go to a funeral. You could go to a BLM riot, but you can't go to your My aunt passed away during COVID.
• 11:48
  I couldn't attend her funeral, but I could go protest at a BLM riot.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: Well, there's also there is a study that they published that if you're at a restaurant, if you're standing, the virus will infect you. But if you sit down to eat, the virus doesn't affect you. Right? So you take your mask off to eat. Right?
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: Or or if you go up one one if you go down the same aisle in Walmart against the arrow, you can get the virus. But if you go the way the arrow points, you can't get the virus.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: Well, arrow is protected.
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: Remember those stupid They have
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: force fields. Right?
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Right. Right. I'm like, this makes no sense. And then New York State, what really got me was New York State, they had all these nurses.
• 12:21
  They were complaining that there was a nursing shortage, which there absolutely was. And these people were heroes. Then a bunch of them got sick. I don't know if you remember this, but a bunch of them got COVID. They recovered.
• 12:32
  They wanted to go back to work. They said, You need to be vaccinated. They refused to get vaccinated because they said, I just got over COVID. They wouldn't let them go back to work. Now they were heroes.
• 12:42
  The next day they were pariahs, simply because they refused the vaccination, which medically they did not need. This is the only virus in the history of the world that doesn't impart natural immunity, meaning you recovered from it, you're therefore immune to it. Made no sense. And that's when I started to say, Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What are they pushing?
• 12:58
  And it begs the question, why are they doing this? So fast forward, we are infusing thousands of people and they are all getting better. We would follow. I had every single person who got infused. I had our providers, nurse practitioners and PAs who worked for me, all the patients within two days to see how they were doing.
• 13:16
  And universally, every single one of them was like, This stuff is a miracle. I am 100% recovered. I saw one hundred and two or one hundred and three, I can't remember, year old man come in, the color of my shirt, and we all thought he was going to die in our clinic. We were ready to call 911, but literally within fifteen minutes of the infusion, his color came back and within an hour, he was like, Oh my God, he was off oxygen. He's like, I feel so much better.
• 13:42
  And I'm not making this up. Like, the data bears this out. Study upon study upon study.
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• 15:04
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• 15:08
  Speaker 2: So the administration, the Biden administration, and I don't mean to be political, but it was them, started to politicize this medicine. First, they said, we're going to federalize the distribution. And what that meant was overnight there were artificial shortages. The day before, whatever you asked for you got, as soon as they federalized the distribution, there was a shortage. Now, live in Maryland, which is an overwhelmingly blue state.
• 15:31
  I could still get most of what I asked for. So if I asked for one hundred doses, I might get 80. But Florida was cut off. Texas, essentially cut off. So it just so happens that the red states seem to have a problem getting ahold of this medicine.
• 15:46
  And what was problematic about that was Florida, by definition, has the highest risk population in the country because it's the highest median age population and the most comorbidities: diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, obesity, these things that put you at high risk of dying from COVID, they cut them off. Florida could not get monoclonal antibodies. So Ron DeSantis, who was on the bandwagon for monoclonal antibodies, he was giving the stuff right and left. He set up mobile units to go out to people's homes to give this stuff because he too recognized how efficacious this medicine was. They cut him off.
• 16:20
  He had to go to the drug manufacturers himself with Floridian taxpayer dollars to purchase the medicines. And the feds tried to stop him from doing that. They said, That's illegal. You can't do that. And he said, Well, arrest me because I'm doing it anyway.
• 16:32
  And he did, and thank God, because he saved people's lives. What they did was unconscionable. They basically, had he not done that, they consigned they being the federal government, consigned all those people in Florida to die or need hospitalization. Well, not all of them, a certain percentage of them. And I can guarantee it was a high percentage that would either have passed away or needed to be hospitalized because of this.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the same behavior that you typically only see in a communist nation or some sort of tyrannical government where they say, okay. We're gonna seize all this land over here for production. We're seizing all the corn and the grain, and we're gonna give, you know, a thousand calories to this village and 30 calories per person to this village. And all of sudden, you've got mass starvation and mass death because of the government. I mean, it sounds like it was a very similar situation.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Very Stalinesque to your point. Yes. A thousand percent. And and and they were basically deciding who was going live and who was going to die. And look, if there's a shortage of a medicine, you don't need to be Albert Einstein to figure out that that medicine should go where it's needed most.
• 17:34
  But you know what they use? They actually came out and admitted, We're going to use this criteria to determine where the medicine's going. Do know what term they use? Equity. Was where it was Of most course.
• 17:43
  Of course. I don't even know what the hell that term means, and no one's ever been able to give me a good definition. But I can tell you this: it has no bearing in a medical discussion. That's a discussion about need and about who's the neediest patient that needs this medicine the most. You know what?
• 17:59
  It may have been equitable to send it to Vermont, but Vermont wasn't having an outbreak. They didn't need it. Florida did. And to think that way is just antithetical to everything we're trained for as doctors and everything that your audience should be outraged by this. And I don't want to get off topic, but I want to say something that and please prove me wrong, but I don't think you can.
• 18:24
  Doctor who spoke out during This is a pattern of behavior by the federal government. Any doctor who spoke out during COVID against the mantra and against the narrative got spanked one way or another. You either got de platformed, you lost your privileges at hospitals, you lost your medical license, or in my case, they indicted you, federal or criminally. One of those things happened to you. I don't know a single physician who spoke out on any major platform or anywhere who none of those things happened to, who spoke out against the narrative.
• 18:55
  That could scare the crap out of everybody because the doctors are the ones that you want to be able to speak out during a pandemic, for God's sakes. Questioning the narrative. I mean, science means questioning. You shouldn't take anything for granted. Everything should be questioned all the time.
• 19:08
  That's how you grow. That's how we learn. That's how we get better. If you take things for granted, we're just a bunch of sheep. And that's what they wanted.
• 19:16
  So then, just to go back to my story, then they shut the whole program down. They basically shut the monoclonal program down in December 2021. They just said, We're shutting it down. And they used very serious data for that reasoning. And I went on Fox News and here's a copy of the article where I went on Fox News and I said, Maryland doctor says people are going to die after the Biden administration uses faulty data to snub antibody treatments.
• 19:41
  And I just was livid because they canceled this lifesaving medicine that they had no business canceling. And people were going to die because of it. There's no question about it. And then Newsmax called me like two or three days later and said, Wow, that was a pretty provocative interview you gave. Do you want to come on our show?
• 19:58
  And I said, Absolutely. And I went out I on with, I believe it was on with Sean Spicer. And I said, I doubled down. I'm like, Yeah, they are killing people. People are in the hospital or dead because of these decisions that these idiots are making.
• 20:09
  And I said, They've never been right about anything in this entire pandemic, and they're leading us down this pathway that doesn't make any sense. And it's needless. And they're dying needlessly. Four months later, almost to the day that I was on Fox News, I get indicted for federal healthcare fraud charges. Now, so your audience understands, typically healthcare fraud is what happened in Minnesota, right?
• 20:32
  It's for billing for things that don't exist. Making stuff up. These were real patients. They charged me with five counts, five patients that I didn't even see providers, nurse practitioners, and PA saw. And they said that we were billing the wrong code.
• 20:48
  Even the judge, okay, the chief judge that was adjudicating my case, who happened to be the chief judge of Maryland, right? So he's not some schlock judge. He's the chief judge of the entire state. He called out the prosecution. Now, this is the federal judge who said to the prosecution in a pretrial conference, this is a case of, quote, shoot first and ask questions later, end quote, because they had done no real investigation.
• 21:10
  They just indicted me.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: So so they indicted you so for health care fraud, which okay. Using the Somali case as an example. Right? What is what would health care fraud be? Say I have this kind of pseudo clinic that I'm doing, you know, treatments, you know, and I'm, you know, supposedly, say, giving treatment x, y, and z to these patients coming in, and I'm getting paid through, you know, health care payments or whatever coming through for, say, $10,000 per per treatment, and I'm just keeping it.
• 21:38
  Or I'm giving them each $500 for their time as they walk in. It it's basic I mean, it's kind of the basic fraud. It's just lying about something to to steal money. Right?
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Correct. Correct. Right. But but but in but when you're talking about kickbacks, that's a different statute. That's a totally different but but it's still fraudulent.
• 21:54
  But, typically, what they would talk about would be, like, billing for cases of patients that you never came to your clinic.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I see.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: So, the classic example this actually happened to a guy in Maryland, I believe, who was billing for Medicare patients while he was in England. And the government had his flight records, his hotel reservations, everything. They could prove that he was in England. How could you possibly be seeing patients in Maryland while you were in England? They clearly didn't happen.
• 22:22
  They didn't get seen. These were real human beings that got seen. In fact, the government called three of them in my trial, and they all were like, yes. I'm a human being. Yes.
• 22:30
  I got seen. And, I got tested. So where is
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the was only five people? It wasn't like you're running this big operation. It was just five individuals that
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Yes. So to put this into perspective and just how insane this is, they said we chose the wrong code on five patients out of over 100,000 that we saw during that timeframe of the indictment. Over the whole course of the pandemic, we saw over 300,000. But during the timeframe of this indictment, it was like eight months, I think we saw 100,000 patients.
• 22:59
  They chose five and they said, You picked the wrong code. Just so your audience understands, the lexicon of coding that we use in medicine is over 69,000 codes. They said we picked the wrong one on five charts. And fine, reasonable people can disagree. If you think I chose the wrong code, for God's sakes, pick up the phone and say, Could you explain, like any normal person would do, if you go to the grocery store and you're buying, I don't know, pens, and you think they overcharged you, you don't call the federal government or the FBI.
• 23:30
  You say, Can I speak to the manager or can I speak to the checkout person? I think I got overcharged. They never did that. So, anyway, even if you say, Fine, we picked the wrong code. Okay?
• 23:42
  We picked what's called the level four billing code. If you say, We should have picked the level three billing code. Okay? The difference between a four and a three on average is about $50. So you're trying to throw me in prison for fifty years, okay?
• 23:55
  This carries fifty years in jail. Destroy my life, millions of dollars in costs to defend myself, which I didn't have and I still don't have, over a $250 billing dispute Because five times 50 is 250
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: In in which, agency or which which organization was actually coming after you in this indictment?
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: The Department of Justice, or as I call them, the Department of Injustice.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: So this is the So DOJ you start within four months of you going on this interview and speaking on Fox News publicly about this the misuse of medication, basically, how the government is is kinda killing people by selectively giving out this medicate medication, limiting it to certain areas that actually do need it. Four months later, all of a sudden, the DOJ is coming after you threatening a fifty year up to fifty year sentence for, you know, basically, what's pocket change in someone's wallet in terms of of of potential Medicare fraud.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Essentially. Yeah. I mean, that's another way to put it. Yes. I mean, that's just to give you the idea of the ridiculousness of this.
• 24:56
  And to prove my criminal intent, because you have to prove intent as part of a crime, they put up my tax returns. And they were like, Look how much money his business made before COVID when we saw 10,000 patients a year. And look at how much money he made during COVID. When we saw, in a year, saw 120,000 patients. That's proof of some sort of nefarious intent, the fact that we made some money.
• 25:17
  That's what they did. So anyway, the chief judge of Maryland, again, this guy who adjudicated my case, issues The jury finds me guilty somehow. Worst day of my life. I just could not believe it. And I'm like, I didn't do anything wrong.
• 25:33
  This is insane. But just goes to show you how powerful the United States government is and how they can When you walk into a courtroom, just imagine The United States Of America versus your name, whoever you are, anybody, put your name in there. You are at such a disadvantage from the very beginning. Worst day of my life, I had to be carried out of the courtroom. I was like just, I couldn't see I mean, it was And then I had to drive home and tell my four children, all of whom are young, I'm going to be going to prison.
• 26:00
  There's something I didn't do. Anyway, three months later, the judge issues this 93 page opinion, I keep a copy of it here, completely eviscerating the government's case, acquitting me of all charges, overturning the jury verdict. And he said such things as, and I just read you a couple of quotes, The government did not carry its burden and no reasonable jury could have so concluded. Now he's saying this after a jury found me guilty, okay? The evidence weighs so heavily in favor of the defendant, that's me, that it would be unjust to enter judgment against him.
• 26:34
  There can, of course, be no crimes if the defendant complied with those rules. I mean, it just goes on and on and on. 93 pages of this, basically saying they should never have brought this case. It was ridiculous and completely equitting me of all charges. And he guaranteed me a new trial in case the government appealed.
• 26:49
  And like weeks before Trump's about to be inaugurated, the Biden Department of Justice decides to ruin my life yet again and appeals the case, knowing that once that snowball starts rolling, it's nearly impossible to start. So now I face a second criminal trial, even though it's under Donald Trump. You got to find the right person that would look at this and be like, This is crazy. We need to stop this. It's like finding a needle in a haystack.
• 27:14
  So, they knew what they were doing and they wanted to just stick the knife in my back one more time. And just to add to the craziness of all this, the American Medical Association, I'm not a member, I've never been a member, And they don't do this. But they wrote an amicus brief, a friend of the court brief, saying that he didn't break the rules. And what's crazy about that is they write the rules. The AMA wrote the rules that the government's accused me of breaking.
• 27:40
  So the very writer of the rules that the government's trying to throw me in prison for saying I broke came to my defense and said he didn't break these rules. You just can't make this stuff up. And then about, don't know, four months ago, it's supposed to now be remanded to the same judge, judge Bedard, the chief judge of Maryland who wrote this 93 page opinion. We get a one line email that just says, I am recusing myself from your case. No explanation.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Just the truth. So the same judge who wrote a 93 page paper, basically, right, you know, on all the faults of this case that obviously seem to be one of the few judges these days I mean, I'm not I'm not kind of sullying all judges, but it's not as common that
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: you hear
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: these these things happening. That this judge had a had had a conscience, and and he saw something that was so blatantly against the law that he built his entire career to uphill uphold that he threw it out. Okay? He wrote that paper. He told you that if there's a retrial, that he would take you again, and he was gonna be on your case.
• 28:42
  Then all of a sudden, randomly, you get a single line email where he basically says, sorry. I'm out.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I think he was so disgusted by what's going on that he just had to recuse himself, or he got some pressure. I don't know. But very odd. Right? I mean, that's all I can say is it's very strange and it's very odd.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Now I will tell you that when president Trump took office, day one, he said, We're ending the weaponization of government. He issued a direct order, an executive order, and he I have it right here. Two weeks later, Attorney General Bondi issued this memorandum, 02/05/2025. And it says, Restoring the integrity and credibility of the Department of Justice. And she lists at the back end these bullet points.
• 29:27
  And one of the bullet points is retaliatory targeting of legitimate whistleblowers. And I would argue that I went on national television. I said they are going to kill people by their incompetence in what they're doing. That makes me a whistleblower. I am the poster child for what they should be looking for.
• 29:44
  The president said, Go out and find cases like this. I am that case. I just need someone to say, Yes, you are that case. We should be lauding you and dropping these charges. I mean, I got, during COVID, for the work that I did, as you said before, our governor, Larry Hogan, at the time came and gave me a personal citation for all the work I did during COVID.
• 30:05
  He came to me personally and handed me this big piece of paper that's very nice. And we have pictures and all this stuff. The Democrat legislature. I'm a Republican. I ran for state Senate.
• 30:15
  I nearly won, but I didn't. I'm a well known Republican in the state. The Democrat legislature did the same thing. They gave me a personal citation for all the work I did for my fellow Marylanders. And the medical society named me its person of the year.
• 30:27
  And the federal government tries to throw me in jail for fifty years because I had the temerity to speak out and to try to right this wrong. And I'll tell you something. What's really scary about this, Seth, is that, like I said before, every doctor that I know that spoke out in one way or another has gotten smacked down. And that is just the most blatant example of government overreach and overuse and should scare it should terrify everybody. Because, again, like, what country are we living
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, because these aren't just it it it's not like there's someone who is a, say, CIA whistleblower. Right? A handful of them come forward and say, hey. The CIA is actually running drugs and, you know, doing all kinds of nefarious activities. That's one thing.
• 31:12
  Right? That you know, okay. These are people within the government that are you know, if they were silencing or whatever. I'm not gonna say it makes sense or I agree with it, but it's like, okay. That would maybe make a little more sense just kinda being objective.
• 31:23
  But what this is is you're not a government employee. Right? You're someone that has taken an oath to do no harm and and taken a a an oath and to and built a career on the principle of trying to help keep people alive and trying to help people stay healthy. Right? It's kind of seems kinda crazy, but now doctors think are kind of in some other space, but seems like that seems to me to be the the foundation of what it means to be a doctor is that you wanna help bring health and and heal ailments for people.
• 31:55
  And so the government then coming in and targeting people like yourself and I've interviewed a lot. I I know and I've interviewed probably dozens of these same people that have been the government has come after them for questioning the government's role in health. I mean, it's it's it it crosses so many lines that it's disgusting.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and it's a clearly mean, it's bright as day staring right at us. It's an identifiable pattern of behavior. I'm just another to your point, I'm another example, 100%. Now, maybe my example is worse than other people because they're literally trying to ruin my life and throw me in prison.
• 32:35
  But it happened to everybody who spoke out. Everybody. Again, I could be wrong. Maybe there's a doctor out there they didn't come after, but I don't know of that person. And every single person that spoke out got beaten down one way or another.
• 32:48
  And it's just unconscionable. And what really, you know, yes, my story said, the people died because of this. That's, I think, the real tragedy. People died. They're never coming back, and they didn't need to.
• 33:02
  And we didn't need to shut the world down. We didn't need to destroy the economy. We didn't need to destroy children's lives because we could have gone down the pathway of let's keep the world open and treat the sick. We have a treatment. Let's use it.
• 33:13
  Let's embrace it. And you know what's crazy, Seth? To this day, you can get the vaccine, but you can't get monoclonal antibodies. They're gone to treat COVID.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, CDC just awarded Pfizer you know, over a billion dollar contract with, I think, for specifically for COVID vaccines. I think if I remember correctly, it was there's a couple $100,000,000 in that that was awarded for developing continued development and production of COVID vaccines for children, for adolescents. I mean, and this is it's like
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And it's been shown to be harmful to certain people. Right? I mean, there's there's data that says that they they are not good for you. Monoclonal antibodies are the exact opposite, and they're not available anymore, but you can still get the crappy vaccine that nobody wants. This makes no sense.
• 34:02
  Right after they indicted me, monoclonals, poof, they're gone. They went away from the not available on the market. Now, I will tell you that Secretary Kennedy speaks about this. He spoke about it on Joe Rogan, spoke about it on Megan Kelly, he's spoken about it multiple other times. He said the reason they had to shut down hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, to your point, they were efficacious drugs.
• 34:22
  Ivermectin in particular has been around for fifty years and it works and it's safer than Tylenol. But they had to beat them down because he says that if there's a federal law, that if there's a vaccine for which there's an emergency use authorization, if anything else is proven to be efficacious, that EUA becomes null and void. So they had to beat down hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin because otherwise they would have lost the vaccine. Same thing with monoclonal antibodies. It's an incredible cure they had for this disease that works, easy to give, easy to distribute, takes thirty minutes, and you're cured.
• 34:57
  One dose. They had to beat it down. They had to shut me up and they had to get rid of it because it was working so well. As crazy as that sounds, that makes perfect sense when you think about it from that viewpoint.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Scary. And now I know that so doctor Kirk Moore, right, who is was in a similar situation as yours, and arguably, you could say that what he did was much more outside the the legal boundaries of what you did. Right? Supposedly making a mistake in the coding. You know, he was, you know, actively, you know, giving giving patients saline instead of the vaccine.
• 35:29
  I mean, and but even in his case, you know, Pam Bonney stepped in, and and she basically threw it out. She met with him, and I I I talked to him shortly after that. And and, you know so, again, and it was it was a really kinda bright day in the region of justice to think, oh, okay. There is some sense of justice still, especially within the federal government. Now, obviously, she's out.
• 35:54
  And, obviously, this case is still you know, so you're saying, basically, they they revived your case within a couple of weeks of of Biden leaving the office, and so that case then got Trent transferred over. It's now being handled by the Trump DOJ. And so since that now that was, what, gosh, was it almost January 2. Years know what mean? It was, you know, a year and a half ago.
• 36:18
  Has have they has has anything changed? Have they communicated with you? Have or has it just been the same just pressure and same indication that they're just gonna be coming after you for round two?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I can't really talk about that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Okay. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: won't won't push you on Yeah. Okay. No. No. I I treat they have reached out, and I will tell you that.
• 36:40
  But I can't really go into the details. I'm sorry. I just I I can't talk about that stuff. But same I mean, it's essentially the same thing. And they're charging me with this And to your point, that they're charging me with, typically, if they really think that there's a billing dispute, it's a civil case.
• 37:00
  This is not a criminal case. What they do is So just to back up a little bit, and I don't want to get too much into the details, but people don't know this. When your doctor's office bills, you go to see the doctor. Seth, you go to see the doctor, you got a sore throat. The doctor submits to your insurance, be it Medicare or private, doesn't matter, your name and a bunch of codes.
• 37:21
  That's it. The chart doesn't go with that. If the insurance company has a question, they ask to see the charts. But the charts, they stay with the provider, with the doctor or the nurse practitioner or the PA. They never go to the insurance company unless they specifically ask for them.
• 37:37
  So, they never ask for these charts. They're supposed supposed to say, Well, if we really have a billing question, they're supposed to do a chart audit, and they're supposed to look and randomly pick charts and then say, Well, we disagree with your billing. And then they're supposed to have a conference with you, and where you get to present your side, they present their side, and you come to some agreement. That's a civil matter, not a criminal matter. But yet they criminalize this, in my case, to say, You're a criminal and we want to throw you in jail.
• 38:03
  Over five charts that the wrong code was chosen. I mean, it makes no sense unless you look at it from the lens of weaponization and trying to shut this person up because otherwise, it's just are are you kidding me? Like, the weight of the federal government? Like, the Biden administration had everything on Jeffrey Epstein, that huge file. They had all that information.
• 38:23
  They didn't release a bit of it. They didn't go after a single child molester or murderer, nobody. They came after me. What does it say about their priorities? They wanted to shut me up.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: And they spent so much money to come after me to do this. Mean, it probably cost them $510,000,000 to prosecute me. For what?
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: And so and so you this is you would be facing, as you mentioned, potentially up to five decades in I mean, really, that's that's the rest it's it's a life sentence, potentially.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Well, yes. So that's the worst. The reason that it's 50 is because each count carries
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: up to
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: ten years
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: in prison.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I see. Yeah. And they're successive. Now, I've never done anything wrong in my life. Don't even need parking tickets.
• 39:06
  So presumably, the judge would know, there's sentencing guidelines and stuff, so that would come way down. But yes, I face up to fifty years in prison for this. And murderers are walking around after like six weeks in jail or whatever it is. Like, it just the system is so crazy. It's it's yeah.
• 39:23
  It's mind boggling.
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• 40:28
  So you mentioned you have had some communication with the DOJ, which we which we we you know, for a lot of reasons, that has to be private, which I understand. However, they are still like, the case is still active. Right? Like, you're still
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: And so what is the next what is the next court date? What is what is the what do the next steps look like in this?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was supposed the trial was supposed to be in the beginning of August, but it just got moved to 01/11/2027. So that bought me a little bit more time. I will tell you that there have been lots of people in the federal government who've come to my defense. I was on a podcast And this is why doing this is so important.
• 41:05
  And I want to thank you for having me because people like you, alternative media are so important because you can't believe the media lies and you can't believe what they're force feeding you. And I was on a podcast. At first, I went public. I'm like, know what? I'm going to go public because That's what Kirk Moore suggested I do when I talk to him.
• 41:23
  Great guy, by the way. We've become very good friends. I said, What do I do? What's the secret sauce? And he said, Go public.
• 41:29
  So, made up my mind, I'm going go public. I go on a podcast, a pretty big podcast. A week later, phone rings, don't recognize the number, I answer it. And the guy says, Hi, this is United States Senator so and so. I saw you on this podcast and I want to help you.
• 41:43
  And I live in Annapolis. I'm forty minutes from DC. The next week, I'm in his office meeting with him personally for an hour. And he had to pick a jaw off the floor because he was so flabbergasted by what I was telling him. And I'm not making this up.
• 41:55
  Mean, I have the receipts to prove it all. And he's been very helpful. Very, very helpful. So, my point in saying this is you don't know who's listening, you don't know who's paying attention, and you never know where this kind of stuff will go. The only recourse I have is to speak out, and that's what I'm doing.
• 42:11
  Know, they get to speak out. For two and a half years, my lawyers were like, Don't say a word. Don't talk to anybody. And the DOJ puts out press releases. They paint you as this hard and awful person.
• 42:20
  You're the worst human being on the face of the earth. They destroy you every way they possibly can. And even after I got acquitted, they made it nearly impossible for me to get back to work. And I never lost my medical license because the state controls that, not the feds, but they made it nearly impossible for me to do that. And why?
• 42:39
  Just because they can. They will crush you and they will continue to crush you because they can. It's really reprehensible.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it it is. And and that's I mean, this microphone is is my weapon. Right? This is how because the new thing is a war.
• 42:54
  It's it's it's an information war in many ways. And yeah. You know? Because I'm guessing that Fox News isn't inviting you on to talk about this case. Right?
• 43:03
  Because of I mean, hopefully, they do. I'd love to see, you know, that or you sit down with because I think, doctor Kirkmore went on to Tucker, if I remember correctly.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: He did. He went on Tucker calls.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: So maybe that opens up for you. But, yeah, this is, think this is how it's supposed to be. Right? Is it, you know, we you know, independent media that keeps the government in check and questions and, just brings facts. And and we're not telling people what to believe, but saying, hey.
• 43:27
  There's all these other sides to the story that you as a just as an independent thinking person with your rights coming from God, not the government, deserve to have the broad spectrum of information so you can make up your mind. And it's it's a very, very important thing that's unfortunately being limited and being targeted, you know, similarly to the doctors speaking out.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example to your point. So a friend of mine is an OBGYN, okay? He's also board certified as an oncologic surgeon. His practice was to see His name is Sanjeev Kumar. His practice was to see Medicaid patients.
• 44:05
  So, primarily low income people who either had Medicaid or didn't have insurance in Tennessee, in rural Tennessee. And he would see these people. And now look, they're being referred to him with the worry that they have cancer, uterine or ovarian cancer. So he does what's called a hysteroscopy, where you stick a camera into the woman's uterus and you can look around. The government brought him up on charges for doing too many hysteroscopies.
• 44:30
  And they originally charged him with rape because he was using a hysteroscope. Now, they eventually dropped those charges. But could you just imagine how tainted the jury pool is after they publicly claim this guy is committing rape? Now, knew they couldn't make that stick, and they knew it was BS. But they did it anyway just to taint the jury pool so that people would say, you know what?
• 44:50
  Maybe he's really not guilty of this, but he's got to be guilty of something because they called him a rapist. I got to find him guilty of something. Now that is just unbelievable, but I just witnessed it. He just got twenty years in jail. He just got sentenced to twenty years.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: So they actually sentenced him twenty years.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Yes. Twenty years. And I mean, he hasn't gone in yet, but he's, I mean, unbelievable. And I met him through this whole process. I've met a lot of people through this whole process because we're in similar situations and we reach out to each other.
• 45:17
  And this happens to a lot of people, more than you think. And to your listeners, they should care about this because one, you want your doctors to be able to speak out and to be able to respond to a pandemic, but nobody's going to step up and do the right thing the next time because why would you? But more importantly, they can do this to the president of The United States, Donald Trump. They can do this to me. Why would they not do it to you?
• 45:41
  I'm nobody, right? And they crushed me because they don't like what I'm saying. Why would they not do it to you? And I don't mean you, Seth. Mean anybody listening.
• 45:48
  Why would they not? They can't. I'm not saying the Trump DOJ would, but who knows who the next guy is going to be, or the next guy after that? Why would they not use this power that they have to crush you when they can't? That's what should frighten everybody.
• 46:01
  And I will tell you the other thing is that the next pandemic, we are not going to be able to vaccinate our way out of, despite the fact that that's what they want to do, they being the establishment. Monoclonal antibodies need to be front and center in that pandemic response. And they should be. But you know what? Nobody's talking about it.
• 46:18
  You can't even
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: get them anymore. They're just poof. They're they're gone. That's really frightening too. No.
• 46:25
  It is. It is. So for people that are watching this and want to help right? Because we we've established I I certainly agree with this. The the most important thing with this is just getting this information out there.
• 46:37
  It's sending this interview. So say, you know, you know, your local senator, send the link to this interview. Right? It doesn't matter what what state, whatever. You you because you're right.
• 46:46
  Eventually and you'd be surprised. I'm I'm I'm surprised sometimes when I hear of certain people, like, oh, that guy watches my podcast. You know, have some celebrity or something, you know, have this this kind of through a great fun and realize, like, oh, yeah. That guy's a fan of yours. Like, I had no idea.
• 46:59
  Right? But you'd be surprised at how these things can spread, but really, the most the best way that spreads is through that grassroots, through that sent to a friend. Right? Post it on a Facebook group, send out to your church newsletter, whatever it is. So, obviously, get the information out.
• 47:12
  Also, you have a website set up, dropthecase.com. And so this is what can people find on this website? You know, what should they do here?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for asking. There's, there's a support button. And if people could see it in their hearts to go to the Give, Send, Go and donate, I'd very much appreciate it because I mean, look. Defending yourself is ridiculously expensive. And, you know, the government thinks you're worth millions and millions of dollars.
• 47:40
  I I drive a Hyundai, my wife drives a beat up Subaru. We're not rolling in cash. Essentially, the first case bankrupted us. And luckily my wife was able to work. She's a pediatric oncologist.
• 47:52
  She treats children with cancer. That's her job. Luckily, was able to continue to work when I had to take off two and a half years, and then I barely was able to get back to work after that. So the first go around basically bankrupted us, I don't know how we're going to pay for the second go around. And I'm in debt to my lawyers for the rest of my life.
• 48:09
  I mean, basically, they were very gracious about it, and they're like, Look, we know you're innocent, so we're going to continue to support you, but you got to keep paying us. So every month I write a check. It's more than my mortgage. It's basically double my mortgage. But I write them a check, whatever I can afford, you know, because they deserve to get paid.
• 48:24
  They did their work and they're good lawyers. So, if people can see to give, I very much appreciate it. You can contact me there. People can follow me on X. I write on Substack.
• 48:35
  They follow can me on Substack. There's a whole timeline on the website that explains everything. And look, I'm trying to be as open and honest about this as I possibly can. I'm not hiding anything. I'm not sensationalizing things.
• 48:48
  Oftentimes feel when I'm talking to people that I'm wearing a tin hat and I'm insane. But fact is stranger than fiction. I mean, we all lived through COVID, right? We all know what happened. All the insanity that went on, none of that was We didn't make that up.
• 49:01
  That's real. If I'd come to any of you ten years ago and started talking about what we just lived through, you would think I'm talking about a Michael Crichton novel. But it really happened, this is true. Yeah, So, as you said, please just speak out, share this with people, talk to your friends, talk to your family, because this cannot be allowed to stand. It is antithetical to everything our country stands for.
• 49:29
  And I spoke to a woman a couple of weeks ago in Spain. She had me on her podcast in Spain. And I said, You know, we in The United States, we take liberty very seriously. We really believe in liberty and the pursuit of happiness and freedom. And it's a facade.
• 49:46
  You're innocent until proven guilty is nonsense. You're guilty when we tell you you're guilty. That's how it is. And that shouldn't be like that. That's not what the system is set up to be.
• 49:55
  And when they come after people and crush them like they can do, and thank God at least I have some resources, if I didn't have resources, I would have had to take in a plea deal, plead to something I didn't do, raise my right hand and perjure myself in court saying, I committed a crime when I didn't, is perjury. That's a crime. And I would have had to have done that because I wouldn't have had the means to defend myself. So, it's really horrible. And when they weaponize the justice system against its own citizens, that is just the worst of the worst.
• 50:26
  Like, show me the man. I'll show you the crime. That's
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: what this is. And Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: It's terrible. It's terrible.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Well, I hope that this interview we just did can be it can play some small part in in the overall inertia to getting this out to more people. And I just encourage anybody who who's gotten to the end of this, share this information, you know, support you through your website. Again, you know, the URL, is dropthecase.com. Really easy to to remember.
• 50:53
  Dropthecase.com. Share, support, everything else. And, you know, Ron, just, you know, thank you for for being on the front lines. There's a a Chinese saying that something effective, like, no one wants to be the front duck. Right?
• 51:05
  Meaning that, like, if if you have you have the duck in the front, that's always the first one that gets shot by the hunter. And so, you know, no one wants to be on the front, yet a lot of these doctors like yourself, we're on the front. And, you know, you're being shot because of it. So we have to just support you in in all the ways that we can.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you. You know, it sounds silly, but this is the truth. Look, I mean, I take this stuff seriously. I took an oath when I was in medical school when I first got my degree. It meant something to me, right?
• 51:33
  I mean, it meant something to me. Really, it always has. And I'm watching this unfold before our eyes, and I'm thinking to myself, I could go hide in my basement. I don't need to go to work. I mean, I could literally hide in my basement, shut my business down, stop going to the emergency room.
• 51:47
  I don't need to do this. But I said, This is my time to shine. This is what I trained for. And I don't mean that as a personal thing. I just mean like, I'm an ER doctor.
• 51:55
  I trained at Johns Hopkins. I have the skill set that is needed during this time. If I'm ever going to do something, this is it. So, I embraced it with everything I possibly could. I didn't see my family for two and a half years.
• 52:08
  I lived off my phone because it was constantly phone calls and dealing with problems and putting out fires. That's what we should want on the front lines, to your point. People like that. And I'm not patting myself on the back. I'm just saying that's what we should be striving for.
• 52:22
  But instead, they charge you with a crime. It's just yeah. Anyway, I'm sorry.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No. I mean, it's yeah. It's just it's just disgusting. I mean, I'm kind of at last loss of words for it.
• 52:36
  And so but anyway, I mean, I hope that I hope that we can get some inertia behind this, get more and more people involved, get more people with power power and reach to come in and step in and and support you, because I I would hate to see even a small percentage of this kind of guilt being rest upon you for this. It's just absolutely absurd.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I appreciate that, and I appreciate your time, and I appreciate you having me on.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. As I said before, I'm a huge fan a huge fan of the show. So, I I I drive when I now my my work, I have a long commute, so I listen to the show. I don't watch it. I listen to it when I'm driving.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: So Oh, yeah. So you're one those people. At the end of the introduction, say, and if you prefer to to listen instead of watch, just get your favorite podcast app and search for Man in America. So that that's you. So well, good.
• 53:23
  Well, thank you for for watching the show. I'm glad that you enjoy it, and I hope that we can move the needle with this interview. So thank you again for giving us your time today.
• 53:31
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• 54:22
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