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#23 - Benny The Butcher · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all, all right, just that time, another edition
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Speaker 1: of the Bootleg Camp podcast officially on a Monday, even
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Speaker 1: though whatever you're hearing right now wasn't recorded on Monday.
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Speaker 1: My producer Erica Rock he went to Sacramento to uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, shoot guns with Massie. I'm kidding, but he
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Speaker 1: did go to Sacramento and uh yeah, so we got
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Speaker 1: Today's episode is with Benny the Butcher. Benny the Butcher
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Speaker 1: is one of the most prolific MC's currently in hip hop,
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Speaker 1: been that way for a couple of years, two three,
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Speaker 1: four years, I'll say about three years. He's really beginning
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Speaker 1: his respect since Tanna Talk came out, like three Tanta
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Speaker 1: Talk three. Sorry it's late, man, my head's off fucked
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Speaker 1: up anyway. Benny having himself a stellar twenty four months,
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Speaker 1: stellar hit boy, having himself a stellar twenty twenty, and
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Speaker 1: I would almost say historical twenty twenty in regards to
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Speaker 1: what he's done and how he's touched the culture this year.
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Speaker 1: We can talk about Detroit two, we could talk about
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Speaker 1: King's disease. We could talk about him and Dom Kennedy's
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Speaker 1: joint projects together. We can talk about his solo project
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Speaker 1: Chauncey Hollis Bro talked about all the other projects that
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Speaker 1: he's produced on t He Grizzly Shit. I mean, the
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Speaker 1: list goes on and on. Shout out to Big I
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Speaker 1: was gonna say, shout out to Big Sean, Shout out
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Speaker 1: to Big Sean, a shout out to hit Boy. He
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Speaker 1: produced the entire album Burden of Proof, and uh man,
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Speaker 1: I'm just I'll just love where hip hop is right now. So,
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Speaker 1: but Benny the Butcher is the first official guest, or no,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the first official see listen, man, y'all gotta
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Speaker 1: excuse me. It's like three am right now. I'm tired
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Speaker 1: as a fuck. If y'all can't tell. Benny the Butcher
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Speaker 1: is the first repeat guest we've had on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I say that because when him and the Black Soprano
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Speaker 1: Family dropped their mixtape, I had them on via Zoom.
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Speaker 1: The zoom shit is whack. It is what it is.
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Speaker 1: We had a dope convo, then even doper conversation. Now
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Speaker 1: got to do the face to face thing. Also, there's
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Speaker 1: a freestyle that is coming with this. Gonna start doing freestyles, man,
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Speaker 1: because why the fuck not? Bruh, you feel me? And
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Speaker 1: Benny the Butcher's kicking that shit off. So how about
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Speaker 1: them fucking apples. Go to my YouTube page. Just type
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Speaker 1: in Bootleg keV on fucking YouTube. Hit that subscribe and
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Speaker 1: you know, thank you, thank you. But Benny the Butcher
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Speaker 1: back on the podcast talking Burden of Proof, talking all
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Speaker 1: kinds of fly shit. Salute to him. Only person I
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Speaker 1: gotta get on this motherfucker now is Westside Gun and
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Speaker 1: I'm working on it. Also working on HARMANI Caesar, also
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Speaker 1: working on Bowlie James, trying to get the whole fucking
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Speaker 1: Griselda to show up and show out. We're trying to
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Speaker 1: be like, you know, the fucking you know, I'm just
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to be just somebody who really represents
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Speaker 1: that shit. And you know, that's just where I'm at
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Speaker 1: with this music shit. I'm like, man, listen, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: represent the shit that I really fuck with. And that's
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Speaker 1: the bars if you know me. So, Griselda, Benny hell
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Speaker 1: twenty percent. I apologize that this intro was very unguided
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Speaker 1: in rambly. That's I apologize for that. I'm tired. Let's
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Speaker 1: get into the interview Benny the Butcher Yo Boutle Cab
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Speaker 1: Podcast Episode number whatever the fuck whatever episode. It is
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Speaker 1: technically second appearance on the podcast because we did something
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Speaker 1: on Zoom with the with the with the black soprano fan. Right,
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Speaker 1: Benny the Butcher is here, Yes, sir, I'm in the
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Speaker 1: building this time though he's in the building. This is
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Speaker 1: the way we like to do it. Man I don't
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Speaker 1: do zoom for a lot of people. We did zoom
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Speaker 1: for you and for Action Bronson, so you know, I
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Speaker 1: had to make a couple exceptions, but we got Benny here.
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Speaker 1: Burden of Proof is officially out and damn put Hey
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Speaker 1: look man, you I feel like, yes, sir, the whole
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Speaker 1: crew has been active all year, but you just kind
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Speaker 1: of saved all the AMMO for like the fourth quarter. Yeah. Man,
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Speaker 1: I just to be honest with you, because I'm always honest.
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Speaker 1: That's the only way not to be. I would have
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Speaker 1: I would have been put the album out, but it
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Speaker 1: was just so dope that we wanted to find a
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Speaker 1: home force so we could do something extra with it,
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Speaker 1: So we could do something special with it. We want
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Speaker 1: to line everything up with it. So that's why we
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Speaker 1: held on to it. But we could have been put
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Speaker 1: this shit out. You know what I'm saying. It was
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Speaker 1: a business decision. You know what I'm saying, talk about
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Speaker 1: because I was. I went to a couple of the
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Speaker 1: sessions when you and Hit were working at Chalice on
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Speaker 1: this project, and I remember when he like he told
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Speaker 1: me like, no, we're gonna do like a whole situation.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't even realize like I knew Hip Boy was,
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Speaker 1: Like I mean, of course, all time great producer, He's
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Speaker 1: been a friend of mine for a lot of years,
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Speaker 1: but like he really got in in his bag like
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Speaker 1: on some shit that like we probably ain't used to
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Speaker 1: hearing them all, Like how did they get like the
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Speaker 1: chemistry and the relationships start with you and hit Boy?
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Speaker 1: Oh man. So just by him reaching out to me
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Speaker 1: and telling me to come through, let's work already gave
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Speaker 1: me an idea of what type of person he was.
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Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. He didn't have to do
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Speaker 1: that right, right, because this was like late last year. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I come out just kicking it with him, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He you know, you know you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm very humble exactly, and I'm
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Speaker 1: kind of like the same way, you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: So it was like it was like the synergy was
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Speaker 1: just there, you know what I mean. I enjoyed working
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Speaker 1: with him. I love the direction he gave me when
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Speaker 1: we're working on these records. I like working with like
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Speaker 1: producers instead of like just the beat makers. And you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I fed off his energy. You
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He got like I'm coming through.
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing rappers do there? Oh yeah, everybody there right
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Speaker 1: right right right right? Uh nah crazy. I bumped into
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Speaker 1: a hold just a lot of people there. So it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I like this energy do I'm Kennedy my boy. He
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Speaker 1: always chilling through there, you know what I'm saying. So
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Speaker 1: that type of energy there, you know, I like that.
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Speaker 1: Me and you were talking and we were talking how
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Speaker 1: this is your most commercial sounding project. Obviously we know Griselda,
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Speaker 1: and that's why I think it was so dope for
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Speaker 1: you to pivot away from, like, you know, kind of
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Speaker 1: the typical Griselda sound because you know, hey, like it works,
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Speaker 1: it's great, that's what we love. But I just thought
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Speaker 1: it was dope just to see you kind of step
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Speaker 1: out of your comfort zone. Do you how do you
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Speaker 1: feel about sonically where this album is and are you
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Speaker 1: afraid of any sort of like you know, man, Riselda
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Speaker 1: fans are crazy and they're extremely like I feel like
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Speaker 1: they're a little like anytime you have fans that are
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Speaker 1: like that with co followings, they feel like you're like
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Speaker 1: you're theirs. Yeah, they feel like they feel like, you know,
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, you're theirs. They feel like, you know,
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Speaker 1: like we hope you get to where you at, so
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Speaker 1: don't change on us. And ah, but I understand where
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Speaker 1: the're coming from. But to be honest with you, I
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Speaker 1: am Griselda. You fee what I'm saying. So I could
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Speaker 1: I am the Griselda sound if our mother fucking spit
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Speaker 1: on the song Nigga, that's the Grisela sound Because I
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Speaker 1: am Griselda. I'm ben Ney the Butcher, one third of
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Speaker 1: Griselda that helped build this ship and put it where
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Speaker 1: it's at. You know what I'm saying. What I brought
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Speaker 1: to the table definitely played a part in to where
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Speaker 1: the gang at to day, you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: Just like Western, just like Conway. So I don't I mean,
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Speaker 1: I am Griselda. So I don't understand it when when
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Speaker 1: they when they say that, they just typically they love
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Speaker 1: that dark ship with uh deer and you know what
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Speaker 1: I'm saying, that is our coreus sounds. So they kind
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Speaker 1: of don't want us to you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: But it's their fuck y'all. Don't big y'all do them
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Speaker 1: blew us up? So big y'all y'all did it. Y'all
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Speaker 1: blow us up so big that you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: that we gain different opportunities and and and let me
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Speaker 1: say this, and I was saying this before the album
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Speaker 1: came out. Uh, a lot of times we would cross
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Speaker 1: the bridge. But nine times out of ten, when people
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Speaker 1: work with us, they come on your You bring them
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Speaker 1: to your world. So more of me sounded like the
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Speaker 1: the mainstream artists you are usually here. Hit boy work
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Speaker 1: with he's going to sound you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: He on, he on his gutter shit because he's a chameleon.
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Speaker 1: He tapping into his exactly. It's a new challenge for him,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like, Okay, I'm Griselda
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Speaker 1: Niggas tapping with Benny. Let's do that. Let's see, you
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Speaker 1: know what what I mean. So and it's worked out exactly
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Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, give me for for people
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Speaker 1: who will be good. Okay, Now I was gonna say
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Speaker 1: for people who don't know. Man, let's kind of like
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Speaker 1: go all the way back, Like we all know you're
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Speaker 1: from Buffalo. M hm you were you born in Buffalo? Yeah? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: when like kind of give me like a little background
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Speaker 1: of your childhood, man, Like how did you come up?
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Speaker 1: Like what like what made you first get into rapping?
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Speaker 1: And like what what like like how old were you
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Speaker 1: when you first like really kind of made the decision
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Speaker 1: to do this ship like all the way man growing up.
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Speaker 1: Growing up was dope. Man. I was born on my
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Speaker 1: Ti Avenue on the East Side. I moved to the
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Speaker 1: projects and we was always having our cousins over and
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Speaker 1: always watching TV and watching the movies and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: So I always was in love with music. Like I
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Speaker 1: used to love Wild Wild West. That was my song,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, but that used
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Speaker 1: to come on. My mom used to call me, like, Yo,
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Speaker 1: your song going, you know what I'm saying. So I
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Speaker 1: always loved that. We used to standing right in front
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Speaker 1: of the TV and just, i mean, act out whatever
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Speaker 1: they was doing in the video, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So I always had that love for music. When I
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Speaker 1: was inspired to do it, I just I'm like, damn,
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Speaker 1: I was above average. I was better than average. So
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Speaker 1: it was something that I wanted to pursue. Like when
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Speaker 1: I was about fifteen. It's a group from my hood
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Speaker 1: named Killer Brown, and it's just like older dudes from
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Speaker 1: my hood. When I say older, a few couple years
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Speaker 1: older than me. I grew up with these dudes, went
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Speaker 1: to school with them, and these was my homies to
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Speaker 1: this day. They had a rap group called Killer Brown
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Speaker 1: from my block Mountain Avenue, and they performed at the Apollo.
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Speaker 1: They used to do all the back to school shows.
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Speaker 1: They used to do, like regular shows. The Warrens robe
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Speaker 1: was always put together. So I come from that, you
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's a long line of that,
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Speaker 1: like from my neighborhood. I mean, yeah, so when you
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Speaker 1: were about fifteen, you started to take this rap shit serious.
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Speaker 1: I do. I think that it's important that people realize, like, man,
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Speaker 1: this You've put in so much work over the years
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Speaker 1: and this was not like some overnight success shit. Like
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Speaker 1: I'm sure at a certain point in time, I mean,
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Speaker 1: was there ever a point in time where you get
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Speaker 1: like we're close to giving up on the rap shit,
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Speaker 1: because like, yo, man, like you know, it's like I said,
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Speaker 1: it's a marathon out here, especially being from Buffalo kind
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Speaker 1: of having that underdog mentality coming out of that city anyway,
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Speaker 1: like well being a hustler, being a hustler and being
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Speaker 1: so in love with this business and being so hungry
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Speaker 1: and wanting to pursue it so bad. I did have
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Speaker 1: the runnings and then out of prison, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: tell myself that I'm about to lead a rap game alone.
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Speaker 1: I never said that. What I told myself is that,
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Speaker 1: you know, you might not never like make it big,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I was okay with
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Speaker 1: maybe getting it to a point where I was just
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Speaker 1: making like local music, I mean local money off of it,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Long, if it was like
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Speaker 1: maybe you know, like ten bands a month off music
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Speaker 1: would have been good. I would have been good with that,
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Speaker 1: or maybe even less, as long as I could have
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Speaker 1: made music and feed my family because I was just
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Speaker 1: so sick of the street shit and all of that.
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Speaker 1: So if I could have made it to that point,
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Speaker 1: I would have been happy and felt like I was successful.
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Speaker 1: So I didn't never even need all of this. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: me telling people like, if you can like pay your
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Speaker 1: bills off of music, like you're successful, he might not
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Speaker 1: be like platinum or exactly like most people just go
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Speaker 1: to work every day and to do they hate and
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Speaker 1: that's how they how many you say you went to
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Speaker 1: prison a few times. What was the longest stint you
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Speaker 1: did in when you were locked up? Two years? Two years?
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Speaker 1: What year was that? It's two thous This is two thousands.
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Speaker 1: I was in three. I was in I was in
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Speaker 1: high school in oh three, Yeah, that's where I was
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Speaker 1: supposed to have been. So O three did a couple
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Speaker 1: of years, obviously, what were what were the charges? Attempt
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Speaker 1: to distribute lying like like I lied about my name?
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Speaker 1: What's that? Oh? Yeah? Giving false information you can put
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Speaker 1: over like I don't. I did it in federal court.
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Speaker 1: They already had me on the I was on a
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Speaker 1: run for some other ship. So when I got caught up,
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Speaker 1: I'm not knowing how this federal shit go. Like when
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Speaker 1: they got you, they fucking got you. I'm thinking, I'm
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Speaker 1: about to lie about my name and leave some crazy ship.
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Speaker 1: So I lied about my name. They made me put
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Speaker 1: my I remember the fake name I gave them. They
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Speaker 1: made me put my hand on the Bible, raised my
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Speaker 1: right hand. It's like, state your name. I stayed my name,
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Speaker 1: I said, Benny Lyman. Before I can get my hand down,
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Speaker 1: the DA was like, actually around her, his name is
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Speaker 1: such as set my real name and there you go
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Speaker 1: new charge. Damn. So they was just they already had you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they just set me up to do that. Damn. So
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Speaker 1: you didn't want to be slipped when you was in
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Speaker 1: for two years? Was that a time? Because you know,
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Speaker 1: we all talk about we had a fraid O banging
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Speaker 1: here and he was kind of talking about how like
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Speaker 1: prison kind of helped reset his mentality there. I feel
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Speaker 1: like there's really no you know, there's there's certain ways
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Speaker 1: to look at the prison shit. For the most part,
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Speaker 1: it really doesn't rehabilitate anybody, but there are situations in which,
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Speaker 1: you know, people come out with a new mentality, Like
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Speaker 1: how like do you think that it helped you at all?
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Speaker 1: Like going in there? Like, I know, you're fucked up
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Speaker 1: to say that any time I ever went behind that wall,
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Speaker 1: I needed it. You know what I'm saying. You know,
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Speaker 1: the people who watching this interview, they know what kind
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Speaker 1: of people person I am, and they know what kind
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Speaker 1: of person he is. If you're watching his interview, if
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Speaker 1: you've ever been to jail, you know you needed it.
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Speaker 1: It's fucked up to say, but it's almost like it
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Speaker 1: if that wouldn't happen, you might have died or something. Definitely,
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Speaker 1: or would have ended up doing something to give more time,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So you know, everything happens
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Speaker 1: for a reason. I'm a firm believer in that. And
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Speaker 1: I was just young, doing shit, not thinking I'm untouchable
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Speaker 1: and catching a federal case at eighteen. You know how
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Speaker 1: the federal case you know, that's that shit is you
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Speaker 1: gotta do what seventy percent of the time, no matter what, right,
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Speaker 1: it's a fat case, it's something like that. They change
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Speaker 1: it every time, right right right? Uh, you know, they
17:14
Speaker 1: come with their bullshit. So it's like if the Feds
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Speaker 1: are coming at you, it's not like yo, man, like
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Speaker 1: good luck. That means that they're not They're not coming
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Speaker 1: at you unless they got you exactly nine times out
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Speaker 1: of ten. So so after going through that, like I
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Speaker 1: kind of knew more like, man, you better if you're
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Speaker 1: doing that, you better, boy, because when they come, they
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Speaker 1: go you know, or I knew certain people who had
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Speaker 1: a fair case and they're like, Okay, I got this case.
17:35
Speaker 1: I'm about to do this. I'm like, no, don't do
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Speaker 1: that because they will lose you. You know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 1: You will never see a family again. So I knew
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Speaker 1: even though I was high headed still at times, but
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Speaker 1: I still had that. I got to learn from that.
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Speaker 1: So you had to you had to do fed time
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Speaker 1: those two years. Was that a I heard our federal
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Speaker 1: prison is supposed to be like nicer than other ones. Yeah, yeah, okay, boom,
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Speaker 1: I wasn't. I ended up going to a camp, a
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Speaker 1: federal camp. I was in there with Emory Emery Jones. Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: same federal camp. And basically I remember I got to US.
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Speaker 1: I got to US, I got to the Atlanta USP
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Speaker 1: and I was talking to my bunkie. He was telling
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Speaker 1: me about the Atlanta camp. He was like, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was at the camp and you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: I went to the mall. I left. He talking about
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Speaker 1: leaving the prison and going toward a mall, and I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm not even paying attention because they don't even sound real,
18:21
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, like it's just cap or whatever. So
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Speaker 1: I ended up making it to a spot a camp
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Speaker 1: and people are leaving the jail. It got a gate
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Speaker 1: around it, but it's like no gun towers and it's
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Speaker 1: got and it's like the perimeters is next to a
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Speaker 1: medium medium security prison and it's a camp, a minimum
18:39
Speaker 1: security person. You know what I'm saying. For people set
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Speaker 1: who's on their way home. You know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Emrie was there at the end of his bed. Uh So, yeah,
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Speaker 1: people deleat the motherfucker. That's what people do. And I
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Speaker 1: left my baby, mama, Cam, I left, I got some pussy.
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Speaker 1: I brought ship back into jail and everything had a
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Speaker 1: cell phone, all type of shit. Jordan's Henny every So
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Speaker 1: you could have well first brought into Bazookah. So at
19:03
Speaker 1: that point in time, they're not considering that ship contrabandy.
19:06
Speaker 1: Did you have it tucked? Hell? Yeah, they didn't know
19:08
Speaker 1: we had that ship. Where do you hide the bottle
19:10
Speaker 1: of hennessy? Uh to be honest with honest with you,
19:13
Speaker 1: we held it. Okay. First, it's a team of us.
19:17
Speaker 1: Shout out my man, say man, my man, sway, my
19:19
Speaker 1: man adjusts. Those are dudes I was locked up with,
19:23
Speaker 1: uh sam man. He used to he used to be
19:26
Speaker 1: like a porter, so he used to like do the trash.
19:29
Speaker 1: So he used to like hide the ship under the
19:30
Speaker 1: trash can. He's the only person who trusted who touched
19:33
Speaker 1: the trash on the unit. So he used to hide
19:35
Speaker 1: this ship under the trash under the trash lining. Yeah,
19:37
Speaker 1: hell yeah. So what we did it was glass bottle though,
19:39
Speaker 1: so what the fuck is glass doing on the prison?
19:40
Speaker 1: Con do it? After we drink the bottle, he'll put
19:44
Speaker 1: the glass in the pillow case, break it up, break
19:46
Speaker 1: it up real fine, and dispose of it. So it's
19:50
Speaker 1: just crazy. But damn, that's crazy. So you got to leave,
19:54
Speaker 1: get pussy, bring ship back in. It was kind of like,
19:58
Speaker 1: you know, like, I mean, that shit sounds and she
20:01
Speaker 1: sounds crazy now, mind you. Even though this is a camp,
20:03
Speaker 1: this is still prison, still fucking prison. So it's people
20:06
Speaker 1: in here who who who've been in here for twenty years,
20:09
Speaker 1: who never didn't no shit like that in twenty years.
20:11
Speaker 1: It was just niggas like that in there who just
20:13
Speaker 1: wanted this for me to tell the story. Okay, oh,
20:15
Speaker 1: young young blood. So I heard you left yesterday. Man,
20:19
Speaker 1: I wasn't out there. Can I smell your fingers? Like
20:24
Speaker 1: these niggas is they can't believe I was just out
20:26
Speaker 1: there like that. You know, back in here, these niggas
20:28
Speaker 1: been down for twenty joints. That's crazy. Ay, So you
20:31
Speaker 1: said you were locked up with Emory, did you guys
20:32
Speaker 1: have a relationship. When you were locked up together, Emory,
20:35
Speaker 1: you know, he was a dude. Everybody bothered Emory because
20:37
Speaker 1: they knew it was like, Yo, this is you know,
20:39
Speaker 1: I mean that was homes man, and we know when
20:41
Speaker 1: this nigga go home, he was going to be even
20:43
Speaker 1: though he came in, he came home and he worked
20:46
Speaker 1: for his and he became for sure man, Oh for sure,
20:49
Speaker 1: I mean yo, man, like let like you know, obviously
20:51
Speaker 1: we don't really know exactly what happened, but he kind
20:53
Speaker 1: of you know, he took that on the on the
20:55
Speaker 1: chain for them. You definitely definitely, uh you know what
20:59
Speaker 1: I mean. I really let him live, you know what
21:01
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But we knew of each other, We knew
21:05
Speaker 1: who each other was. So like, were you because in prison,
21:10
Speaker 1: you know where like were you like known as a
21:12
Speaker 1: rapper there? Like were you like where their cipher's going on?
21:15
Speaker 1: Like or was it something that you did you just
21:17
Speaker 1: kind of like didn't advertise to people? Man, Hell yeah,
21:21
Speaker 1: I advertised. That's nothing that I couldn't hide. See now,
21:24
Speaker 1: in federal prison, they got things that they call cars.
21:27
Speaker 1: They would take you, they would take you to wherever
21:29
Speaker 1: it state you from. When you get on the compound
21:31
Speaker 1: and they're like where you from, I say Buffalo. They'd
21:34
Speaker 1: be like, okay, we'll take you to the We would
21:36
Speaker 1: take you to the New York car. So that's what
21:38
Speaker 1: they did. They took me to the New York cars.
21:39
Speaker 1: Niggas from Brooklyn, hirelm Bung Bung bung. You feel what
21:42
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Uh, even though New York is one place
21:46
Speaker 1: you don't already know how that is. It's territorial, you
21:48
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, niggas, niggas, niggas, you
21:51
Speaker 1: know how New York niggas is. They looked at me
21:53
Speaker 1: like this, niggas from Buffalo exactly. So I caught that vibe,
21:57
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then I just I
21:59
Speaker 1: really just on my own, you know what I mean
22:02
Speaker 1: for a second till niggas see me coming back with
22:05
Speaker 1: that big bag of commissary all the time, they see
22:08
Speaker 1: the you know what I mean, They see I'm moving
22:10
Speaker 1: with a certain way, so you know, niggas get in
22:12
Speaker 1: my business. They start talking to me then about prison.
22:16
Speaker 1: Once you it's about open up doors in prison. When
22:18
Speaker 1: I first get to jails, I never let nobody I
22:20
Speaker 1: used to never let nobody know I rap, because I
22:22
Speaker 1: know I'm about to wrap my ass off and then
22:24
Speaker 1: the whole jail gonna be on me. So I took
22:26
Speaker 1: I took like two months oft before letting people know
22:28
Speaker 1: I rap, cause nine times out of ten, I'm always
22:31
Speaker 1: like the most professional rap nigga there. Now, through throughout
22:34
Speaker 1: all of this, I had a video through the time
22:37
Speaker 1: in jail, I had a video on b et Uncut,
22:39
Speaker 1: So I was always the you know what I mean,
22:41
Speaker 1: the most professional. I had flyers, I had all type
22:43
Speaker 1: of shit CDs and so niggas like, oh no, he
22:45
Speaker 1: really rapped, you know what I mean. So it's nothing
22:47
Speaker 1: that I and this one jail, they had a spot
22:50
Speaker 1: where niggas wrapped every Friday night, so everybody would just
22:52
Speaker 1: being there, just going going in every Friday night when
22:55
Speaker 1: niggas a meet up on this comment to be a
22:56
Speaker 1: whole bunch of niggas in every rap. I went to
22:58
Speaker 1: that shit like three times, buried that shit, and didn't
23:01
Speaker 1: go for the rest of the time I was at
23:02
Speaker 1: that jail. Damn, that's crazy. So you're in prison, this
23:07
Speaker 1: is O three to five ish. Let's just say that ballpark.
23:13
Speaker 1: Can you talk about because I, you know, I have
23:15
Speaker 1: my my history with taking ls in life, and what
23:19
Speaker 1: is the biggest L you ever took in the streets?
23:21
Speaker 1: Do you remember whether it was something that got caught
23:24
Speaker 1: up in the mail or you know, I you know,
23:27
Speaker 1: there's different ways that things he getting mm hmm. Well
23:33
Speaker 1: now when this happened, I was locked up. But this
23:38
Speaker 1: is the team I'm saying. Before I go to jail,
23:41
Speaker 1: we was moving doing what we do, and then I
23:43
Speaker 1: got this new and I'm only I'm only in jail
23:45
Speaker 1: for a violation, so I'm about to come back home.
23:47
Speaker 1: So I leave the organization and I go to jail,
23:52
Speaker 1: and then I hear the news like ah, man, I'm
23:54
Speaker 1: like fuck, so when I like come home, we're like
23:56
Speaker 1: starting for scratch basically, like yeah, like shit. It's crazy
24:02
Speaker 1: too because being in LA and just kind of knowing
24:04
Speaker 1: like what packs will move for, like you probably get
24:06
Speaker 1: the most for a pack in fucking Buffalo. Hell yeah, yo,
24:11
Speaker 1: the person who got caught with that is probably still
24:15
Speaker 1: in probation for that ship right now. That's a lot
24:17
Speaker 1: of weight, man. Yeah real, would you guys ever like
24:20
Speaker 1: come it was a female too? Oh yeah, that's I mean,
24:22
Speaker 1: that's held it down. That's kind of the go to, right,
24:25
Speaker 1: you get to check this down, and you know she
24:27
Speaker 1: held it down and it wasn't her first rodeo neither.
24:30
Speaker 1: And then the forming of Griselda, you being officially involved
24:34
Speaker 1: with Griselda, Like fast forward, you get out of prison.
24:37
Speaker 1: When when when was that something that like you know
24:40
Speaker 1: kind of started to like become like official or the
24:43
Speaker 1: Griselda thing. Yeah, it's a whole different time. I'm coming out.
24:50
Speaker 1: This is later. Yeah yeah, okay, Uh, West and Conway
24:58
Speaker 1: and me, we always been doing our thing for you years.
25:01
Speaker 1: It's just evolved into different things. Like we was all
25:03
Speaker 1: fucking with DJ Shay, Yeah, rest in peace, DJ Shay.
25:08
Speaker 1: We was all signed to Shae, and then I kind
25:11
Speaker 1: of like stayed with Shae, but I kind of like
25:14
Speaker 1: I was with Shae's company. Then I kind of like
25:16
Speaker 1: brought Shae into my company. I learned a whole lot
25:18
Speaker 1: from him. I kind of like he he like learned
25:22
Speaker 1: so much from him. He like catapulted me to start
25:23
Speaker 1: my own shit and he just helped me. Same thing
25:27
Speaker 1: with Wes and Conway. They was doing they own shit
25:29
Speaker 1: over there, but we was always doing songs together and
25:34
Speaker 1: like twenty sixteen, that's when I noticed it. Twenty fifteen,
25:38
Speaker 1: that's when I noticed what the fuck they had going on.
25:42
Speaker 1: But around that that happened to them. And you know,
25:43
Speaker 1: people asked me this question, but I was brought in
25:47
Speaker 1: on Groselda. You know what I'm saying. By the time
25:50
Speaker 1: Wes brought me in, the Shady deal was right there.
25:53
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was put in on
25:54
Speaker 1: that when he knew when he found out he was
25:56
Speaker 1: about to get the Shady Deal, he was like, oh shit,
25:58
Speaker 1: and we go get my cus. You feel I'm say
26:00
Speaker 1: so he put all the pain in to get to
26:01
Speaker 1: that point, you feel what I'm saying, him and Conway.
26:03
Speaker 1: So when I got brought in around that time twenty sixteen,
26:08
Speaker 1: I'm just hungry, ready to go, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
26:10
Speaker 1: I feel like you were kind of you know, watching
26:13
Speaker 1: those freestyles back then, Like you know, I just remember
26:17
Speaker 1: I forget which I think it might've been on Static show.
26:18
Speaker 1: You had to fucking the Shan McCoy on, you had
26:22
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills had and I was like, you know,
26:24
Speaker 1: obviously it was about gun and Conway at the time,
26:26
Speaker 1: and then like yo, this dude, Benny is crazy, and
26:30
Speaker 1: I almost felt like every time you had the opportunity,
26:33
Speaker 1: you were like, Yo, I gotta I gotta like show
26:35
Speaker 1: my ass on these fucking freestyles. And that's what it was.
26:38
Speaker 1: And them dudes always motivated me to do that before,
26:41
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, you gotta kill this shit, you
26:42
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, Yo. I feel like Tanner
26:48
Speaker 1: Talk three was such a very important moment in your career.
26:53
Speaker 1: I feel like that you were putting out dope projects
26:56
Speaker 1: prior to that, but I feel like that that was
26:57
Speaker 1: like the project where like you really like started to
27:01
Speaker 1: really like step into your own as far as acknowledgment
27:05
Speaker 1: in the industry, you know what I'm saying, Like, do
27:09
Speaker 1: you remember like that, like that album coming out, Like
27:14
Speaker 1: did you have the feeling that like things were gonna
27:17
Speaker 1: change after that, because it felt like that album comes
27:19
Speaker 1: out Obviously Plugs I Met was really that project, but
27:22
Speaker 1: I feel like Tanna Talk three was like kind of
27:25
Speaker 1: your coming out party, if that makes sense. Yeah, and
27:29
Speaker 1: that's what happened for But did I see it? Yes?
27:32
Speaker 1: And no, I see I didn't see it because this
27:35
Speaker 1: is all uncharted territory for me. I really don't know
27:38
Speaker 1: what to expect. You feel what I'm saying. I know
27:41
Speaker 1: Conway doing good numbers on the West is like I said,
27:44
Speaker 1: they brought me in. That don't mean I'm a you
27:46
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So, but I did believe it
27:50
Speaker 1: because you know, the niggas was telling me that, like, Yo,
27:51
Speaker 1: watch watch the when tend to Talk three drove watch this.
27:55
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, everybody I played that for before it
27:57
Speaker 1: came out had the same reaction as when it came out, like, Yo,
28:01
Speaker 1: this shit is crazy. So that having that tape done
28:04
Speaker 1: for about a year or so before it came out,
28:06
Speaker 1: I played it for everybody, and my confidence was already
28:09
Speaker 1: up before it dropped because I played it for people
28:11
Speaker 1: for a year, played it for Ray and he was
28:15
Speaker 1: playing it. Uh, used to play it, play some ship
28:18
Speaker 1: for Roy's. Just played it around my peers and ship
28:22
Speaker 1: and everybody fucked with it. Now, I remember Green Lantern
28:24
Speaker 1: like telling me pretty early, like yo, like Conway's dope,
28:28
Speaker 1: but like Benny's like special special, and yeah, like I
28:32
Speaker 1: feel like that that project really kind of solidified kind
28:35
Speaker 1: of your path that you're on right now. And obviously
28:37
Speaker 1: Plugs I met is a fucking classic. That's my ship.
28:40
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a classic, that's my ship. I don't
28:42
Speaker 1: say that very lightly, right right, right, So you can't
28:44
Speaker 1: call and I mean, that's a classic project and and
28:48
Speaker 1: and on that project one of the best. I mean, dude,
28:50
Speaker 1: the record with Push is like one of the best
28:52
Speaker 1: choke rap songs ever created. Like it's like sh it's
28:55
Speaker 1: like all like it'd be like if someone was I'm
28:58
Speaker 1: going to cut you off. I tried to call that song,
29:00
Speaker 1: uh drug dealer anonymous too. Yeah, they ain't let me,
29:05
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I sent it to get
29:06
Speaker 1: I sent it in, turned it in and labeled they
29:09
Speaker 1: and they called it and I think somebody from somebody's
29:11
Speaker 1: side it was like, yeah, he can't do that, don't
29:12
Speaker 1: call it that. And I'm like, eighteen wheeler. Eighteen wheeler.
29:15
Speaker 1: Of course, when when did you when you wrote your
29:18
Speaker 1: verse for that record, did you know Push was getting
29:20
Speaker 1: on it? Mm hmm, so you kind of like you
29:22
Speaker 1: like that, you were like, yo, I gotta come with
29:24
Speaker 1: that talk. That's one of the that's one of the
29:28
Speaker 1: few records that I knew the person was getting on
29:32
Speaker 1: when I did the joint, But I did I knew
29:33
Speaker 1: that for Black Thought too, So you gotta when you
29:36
Speaker 1: know Black Thought at Pusher getting on two different records. Yeah, yeah,
29:39
Speaker 1: those are jedis Man right. So that's why y'all want
29:42
Speaker 1: to know why I'm rapping like that on them songs
29:43
Speaker 1: because I know what I know where them shits is
29:45
Speaker 1: landing at. You feel what I'm saying, So I remember
29:48
Speaker 1: and push up like yo, I needed it. He's like, nah,
29:50
Speaker 1: I got you. I'm like, oh shit, I'm like, yo,
29:52
Speaker 1: load this up shape, I did that shit immediately fire.
29:55
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We were talking to like
29:58
Speaker 1: how disappointing it had to be. You were supposed to
30:00
Speaker 1: go out on the world to Russ. You're on Russ's album,
30:04
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to Russ for just giving so
30:06
Speaker 1: much free game, and I think, shout out to the
30:08
Speaker 1: big dog russ Man. Russ a great dude, But like,
30:11
Speaker 1: how did that happen? Like Russ and Benny on the record.
30:15
Speaker 1: When that track listing dropped, I was like, I want
30:16
Speaker 1: to listen to that song with listen row song. You
30:18
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But like, like obviously respects you
30:21
Speaker 1: as an MC, and Russ doesn't get enough love for
30:23
Speaker 1: his capabilities an MC as well. He don't we listen.
30:27
Speaker 1: We actually got a record. I don't know when he
30:29
Speaker 1: gonna drop this record, motherfucking Russ, Bennie and black Dog
30:38
Speaker 1: and it's just going. We just and we both like
30:40
Speaker 1: we all rapping long. Wow. You feel what I'm saying.
30:43
Speaker 1: It's almost like a five six minute song. Everybody's rapping long.
30:47
Speaker 1: It's a crazy song. Wow. I feel like it's gonna
30:50
Speaker 1: be a moment when it come out. Damn crazy. Yeah,
30:55
Speaker 1: he just tapping with you on DM because he's obviously
30:57
Speaker 1: a fan of your ship. Yeah, yeah, you know what
30:59
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You just tapped me on the DM. Like
31:01
Speaker 1: Russell get enough credit for like his lyrical ability. Sure
31:04
Speaker 1: could do anything, and he gives free game to everybody.
31:07
Speaker 1: So no matter where hit the career path, no matter
31:12
Speaker 1: no matter where that took him, he still got the
31:15
Speaker 1: ability that he got so he could notice it in others.
31:18
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying. So a person don't gotta
31:20
Speaker 1: be all big and nothing like that. He just reaching
31:22
Speaker 1: out for the sport of it. Like I like this, dude, Yeah,
31:24
Speaker 1: we should work. So shout out to Russ because I
31:26
Speaker 1: love and niggas do that and and help niggas with
31:29
Speaker 1: opportunities and I do the same thing. What I'm saying
31:31
Speaker 1: I reach back to I mean, listen, we talked about
31:33
Speaker 1: this on Zoom, but you know two records in the
31:36
Speaker 1: camp with Drake two, So that's it. I mean, listen,
31:41
Speaker 1: you just dropped an album that got to come out.
31:44
Speaker 1: Wayne and Sean on it talking about him all the time.
31:47
Speaker 1: Drake records. I mean, like we think of how many
31:52
Speaker 1: times that guy's jumped on someone's records and change their life.
31:57
Speaker 1: You already got your own ship, you know what I'm saying,
31:59
Speaker 1: But like to have Drake, like whose hands is is
32:03
Speaker 1: it in? For those records to come out? Is it
32:04
Speaker 1: in his hands? Is it in your hands? Is it? Like? What?
32:07
Speaker 1: Like I'm assuming one's coming out with his ship. One
32:10
Speaker 1: might come out on your ship, Like whose hands is
32:11
Speaker 1: that in? Oh? Yeah, that's that's the plan. Uh. He
32:14
Speaker 1: put one out and I'll put one out, you know
32:16
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Even if but trust me, I feel
32:19
Speaker 1: like because you know, at the end of the day,
32:21
Speaker 1: this is a business. You know what I'm saying. It's
32:23
Speaker 1: records that I didn't put on my album because it
32:26
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't cohesive with with the album, not saying
32:28
Speaker 1: that the records was bad. Records are crazy. I can't
32:30
Speaker 1: wait to put them out on something else. Yeah, but
32:33
Speaker 1: maybe if people don't get those records, I'm pretty sure
32:36
Speaker 1: they get they get a record with Bro. You know
32:37
Speaker 1: what I'm saying With me and Bro. You know what
32:39
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I feel like it's something that he want
32:41
Speaker 1: to do. But I feel like I'm did you body, Drake?
32:45
Speaker 1: I don't think I hell no, did he? I mean,
32:48
Speaker 1: Drake's a smart guy. He's obviously a fan of you,
32:51
Speaker 1: so he has to come with his A plus game
32:53
Speaker 1: to hop on a record with Benny because you know
32:56
Speaker 1: the discussion will be like, Yo, Benny washed Drake. That's
32:59
Speaker 1: what the first thing people people are gonna go to
33:01
Speaker 1: see who got who? I'm not gonna lie. He's he's
33:04
Speaker 1: like one of the most like comfortable person like he's
33:08
Speaker 1: a Jedi. Yeah you know what I mean. So he's
33:10
Speaker 1: like he's he said his verse first. Like a lot
33:14
Speaker 1: of times dudes be scared to see you the record
33:16
Speaker 1: with the first one that already because they feel like,
33:19
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do when you come? I mean, he's
33:21
Speaker 1: confident he like, huh, what you wanna do? What I'm
33:24
Speaker 1: gonna do exactly? You know what I mean? And I
33:26
Speaker 1: like that type of energy and that just let me
33:27
Speaker 1: know a lot about him, man. He I mean, he
33:30
Speaker 1: played his game the right way. Are there hooks on
33:32
Speaker 1: either of the records or we just talking straight? Bars M.
33:36
Speaker 1: I think the record that I got control of without
33:39
Speaker 1: that that he letting me rock with is bars on there,
33:42
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. The other one is is
33:45
Speaker 1: bars too. I'm already talking too much. Y'all going to
33:47
Speaker 1: get these soon, baby, listen. We just we're talking too,
33:49
Speaker 1: because I think that everybody's waiting for you and jay
33:51
Speaker 1: Z to work together ever since the rock Nation thing. Ye,
33:54
Speaker 1: everybody was. Everybody was thinking whole was gonna be on
33:57
Speaker 1: burd and a proof. I was seeing it in the comments.
33:59
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, I hate the let the people down,
34:01
Speaker 1: especially when you put the tape over the name when
34:04
Speaker 1: you drop off. Because the big Sean verse happened, I
34:07
Speaker 1: didn't hear I heard that record without Sewn on it,
34:09
Speaker 1: So that Sean versus rather recent, right, Yeah, Because hit
34:12
Speaker 1: Boy played me that record, it just had Wayne on it.
34:14
Speaker 1: People just knew it was whole I kind of think
34:16
Speaker 1: people knew. I mean I kind of think like we
34:20
Speaker 1: knew people was gonna think that. So that's why it's like, Yo,
34:22
Speaker 1: tape the name we played into that. Yeah, for sure,
34:28
Speaker 1: is that something that like obviously everybody wants to do
34:30
Speaker 1: a song with jay Z. Everybody does. You have a
34:33
Speaker 1: direct line with Hoop like you, but you also don't
34:35
Speaker 1: want to be the guy that just asks for the verse.
34:38
Speaker 1: You kind of wanted to just happen. Yeah, of course
34:40
Speaker 1: I wanted to just happen. But I'm not gonna lie
34:42
Speaker 1: I act as big homie for the verse because it's
34:44
Speaker 1: like you cannot like not ask for the verse, like
34:48
Speaker 1: you got to let them know, like yo, you know
34:49
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's something that was gonna happen.
34:51
Speaker 1: I was saying this, if I was to get a
34:53
Speaker 1: whole verse, I would be the the person who got
34:57
Speaker 1: one of the quickest hovedn't hand versus out like that,
35:00
Speaker 1: and he don't hand him out that quick. When people
35:02
Speaker 1: get a whole verse, you're already a legend solidified in
35:05
Speaker 1: a game by the time you get the verse nine
35:07
Speaker 1: times out of ten. And I'm not at that point yet.
35:10
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying maybe, but I don't know,
35:13
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, maybe, I don't know. I
35:15
Speaker 1: know I know that he wanted to do it because
35:17
Speaker 1: we spoke about it. Yeah, but is the time? Is
35:19
Speaker 1: the time right? Maybe? Not? Facts. You were one of
35:24
Speaker 1: the only people who who weren't necessarily when the Griselda
35:27
Speaker 1: thing happened. You were not officially on Shady right, so Conway, Uh,
35:34
Speaker 1: you know, uh west Side and uh and the Griselda
35:37
Speaker 1: project came out through Shady, but you necessarily you didn't
35:39
Speaker 1: have that Shady like label backing, Like, did Eminem try
35:43
Speaker 1: to sign you later on after shit kind of started
35:47
Speaker 1: to get moving? Like was that was that there ever
35:50
Speaker 1: any discussions if you coming over to Shady officially? Definitely? Definitely, Uh,
35:54
Speaker 1: Shady Records try to pursue me after after did you
35:57
Speaker 1: kind of like like like what made you kind of
35:59
Speaker 1: pass on? That was the fact that they didn't see
36:00
Speaker 1: it from the jump? M N. I never took it
36:04
Speaker 1: personal because I immediately understood the business of it, but
36:10
Speaker 1: I kind of like I kind of like knew what
36:12
Speaker 1: the being under the Shady umbrella was and then it
36:16
Speaker 1: was like we was already under there, so like maybe
36:19
Speaker 1: let me get over here so you know what I'm saying,
36:20
Speaker 1: or go wherever. I like, don't put the cruise eggs
36:23
Speaker 1: in the same baskets, know what I'm saying. No, that's fair.
36:26
Speaker 1: It would talk about the friendly competition between you, Gun
36:29
Speaker 1: and UH and Conway because I feel like it's definitely there,
36:32
Speaker 1: Like you guys are also you know, especially you and
36:33
Speaker 1: Conway on the MC side, but like quality of music,
36:37
Speaker 1: all three of you guys are out of here. Pray
36:38
Speaker 1: for Paris one of the best albums of the year.
36:40
Speaker 1: Guns dropped three projects this year, You're about to drop
36:43
Speaker 1: your second. Conway dropped two, but shit, three projects this year. Yeah,
36:49
Speaker 1: but like, is the competition it seems very healthy and
36:53
Speaker 1: you guys were I always whenever you guys drop some
36:56
Speaker 1: shit and there's like those quintessential like Positi cuts, Expers
37:00
Speaker 1: three or whatever, it is like that's like my first
37:02
Speaker 1: record I go to. But like, is it is it competition?
37:06
Speaker 1: And is it like has it ever been to the
37:07
Speaker 1: point where you're like ship, like I got gone on
37:10
Speaker 1: this record? Like I feel like when you have three
37:13
Speaker 1: artists on that level of rapping, hm, you know, it's
37:17
Speaker 1: gotta it's gotta be like steal sharp and steel. Now
37:20
Speaker 1: now is it? It's a competition. I can't look up
37:23
Speaker 1: here and say it's not competition, right, you know what
37:25
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it's trust me, is healthy competition. And
37:27
Speaker 1: it's not like devious competition, right right, right, right right.
37:30
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, you know, you know what kin, we're
37:34
Speaker 1: gonna do. So you want to know what I mean?
37:37
Speaker 1: So you want to you want to bring your ship too,
37:39
Speaker 1: and we go to the we go to the shows.
37:43
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like what the what the
37:45
Speaker 1: fuck this nigga be saying. He'd be like, uh, you know,
37:48
Speaker 1: they get crazy loud for Westside Gunship. You feel what
37:51
Speaker 1: I'm saying, They get crazy loud. So it's like he's
37:53
Speaker 1: like the Paul Hayman of the crew. Yeah exactly exactly.
37:57
Speaker 1: So it's just like everybody bringing their own ship. But man,
38:00
Speaker 1: when I hear the people loud at the shows for
38:03
Speaker 1: uh Wes, I want them to be loud for me.
38:06
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. When I see the comments, yo,
38:08
Speaker 1: conwe dropped the classic, I want my shit to be
38:10
Speaker 1: classic too, of course, I mean. So it's like it's
38:13
Speaker 1: that type of shit and it's almost like, you know,
38:15
Speaker 1: just trying to keep up with each other. And shit, Yo,
38:18
Speaker 1: would have you and fred ever talked about doing the
38:21
Speaker 1: EP together? Hell yeah, cause you and Freddie we just
38:24
Speaker 1: have that discussion in there and it was like, Yo,
38:26
Speaker 1: like this shit is like it has been a very
38:30
Speaker 1: long time. We have Kendrick, we have Drake, we have Cole.
38:34
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since we've gotten another one
38:36
Speaker 1: of those guys on that Mount Rushmore. And we were
38:39
Speaker 1: just talking like you and fred are like, I feel
38:43
Speaker 1: like got that chance. And Fred's obviously a OG was
38:48
Speaker 1: on the twenty ten Freshman cover. Yeah fire, Yeah, and
38:52
Speaker 1: we know we wear them shoes in the game. And
38:54
Speaker 1: it's just dope to be mentioned like that, you feel
38:56
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, to be mentioned with the likes and
38:58
Speaker 1: be mentioned and the and that type of manner of
39:01
Speaker 1: being on a Mount Rushmore. But but you and Fred,
39:04
Speaker 1: I feel like you have got great chemistry. I know,
39:06
Speaker 1: he fucked You're one of the few people in the
39:07
Speaker 1: industry that he actually likes. That's my asshole, that's my
39:10
Speaker 1: fucking boy. You know what I'm saying. That's my boy.
39:12
Speaker 1: And we talk about that all the time. We need
39:14
Speaker 1: to make that happen. I'm a call on when I
39:16
Speaker 1: finished this shit, we need to make that happen, you
39:18
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. A little quick ep, just something
39:20
Speaker 1: for the fans, for the streets, and we have fun
39:22
Speaker 1: doing it. We had so much fun, all right, So
39:25
Speaker 1: burning the proof is out and we've talked with I mean,
39:27
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about can to talk for Plugs
39:30
Speaker 1: I met too. I know I've heard you say maybe
39:34
Speaker 1: like what Plugs I met too? Is at what's next
39:37
Speaker 1: on the and is it done? Everything done? Every record
39:42
Speaker 1: is clear, every sample is clear on it. Everything is
39:45
Speaker 1: done except the whole verse the Plugs I met too,
39:50
Speaker 1: Everything was done before Burton a proof. That's what I'm
39:52
Speaker 1: telling people, is like I could have dropped that. I
39:55
Speaker 1: held off on purpose, you know what I'm saying, because
39:57
Speaker 1: you know the fans be thinking a nigga not in
39:59
Speaker 1: the studio, But like I held off that been ready.
40:01
Speaker 1: We was really like moments away from pressing a button
40:04
Speaker 1: on Plugs I met Too. But it was like, let's
40:08
Speaker 1: catch this lightning and a bottle real quick and then
40:10
Speaker 1: go catch that lightning in a bottle too. Can you
40:12
Speaker 1: kind of give me some of the uh, some of
40:15
Speaker 1: the game on your merch because I feel like rappers
40:17
Speaker 1: who are watching this day like they might be able
40:19
Speaker 1: to come up on some game with what y'all are
40:21
Speaker 1: doing in the merch game, and like what's the most
40:23
Speaker 1: y'all have ever? Like, what's the most you've made on
40:25
Speaker 1: a merch drop in a month? Not to be in
40:27
Speaker 1: your pockets, but you know, for inspirational purposes, the most
40:31
Speaker 1: I ever made? It was like four hundred thousand, four
40:33
Speaker 1: hundred k on on a was it a hoodie? Was
40:37
Speaker 1: it a shirt or was it shirts? That shit is crazy?
40:41
Speaker 1: Four hundred thousand? Hell yeah? Did you you feel like
40:45
Speaker 1: I just did it? I just did a merge drop
40:46
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. I know, shout out, those
40:48
Speaker 1: hooies are for the pirate cities, Go grab those those joints. Fire. Yeah.
40:53
Speaker 1: I was so mad when I went to the fucking
40:55
Speaker 1: La show out here because the only thing that was
40:56
Speaker 1: left was like something you had for sale for four
40:58
Speaker 1: hundred dollars or something. I was like, fuck man, I
41:01
Speaker 1: think it was like a jacket or something, or something
41:03
Speaker 1: like fucking Butcher, like fucking Apron or something. Damn. Yeah,
41:09
Speaker 1: it was kind of crazy, man, all right, So we're
41:10
Speaker 1: gonna get plugs. I met two next, Yeah, that's coming next,
41:13
Speaker 1: that's coming next. I got I got Fat Joe on
41:16
Speaker 1: their two chains on their French manten on there, Jim
41:19
Speaker 1: Jones on there. It's crazy. Obviously you have Black soprano family.
41:26
Speaker 1: Conway's got drum work music, Griselda's you know, obviously you
41:31
Speaker 1: know family, But like how important it is? How important
41:35
Speaker 1: is it for you to build your own imprint because
41:39
Speaker 1: you know, the fucking mixtape was fire. Shout out the drama,
41:41
Speaker 1: shout out to the whole crew, hem, shout out to
41:43
Speaker 1: to Rick Hyde, But like, how important is that for
41:46
Speaker 1: you to kind of like I'm not saying break away
41:48
Speaker 1: from Griselda, but like have your own identity that's outside
41:51
Speaker 1: of Griselda. Uh, it's super important, you know what I'm saying.
41:55
Speaker 1: It's super important in an aspect of not me trying
41:59
Speaker 1: to have my own identity, but being in a position
42:02
Speaker 1: that I am, I got a responsibility, you know what
42:04
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And Black Soprano family, it's really the family.
42:09
Speaker 1: And this is all dudes who are extended Griselda family.
42:13
Speaker 1: Like I seen Rick Ki make a tweet other the
42:15
Speaker 1: first time I met rick Y was with Conway. He
42:17
Speaker 1: came and they both reestyled on my shoulder. Conway exactly,
42:20
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, uh, rick Hay like
42:23
Speaker 1: recorded Doctor Birds, he recorded, like you know what I'm saying.
42:26
Speaker 1: So he these just like family. So they all had
42:29
Speaker 1: their own relationships with Griselda. And you know, we like
42:32
Speaker 1: people compares to the Wu Tang klan, and we kind
42:34
Speaker 1: of are like the Wu Tang clan. We got a
42:36
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different niggas. And rik Ki just been
42:38
Speaker 1: around forever, and he and Conway damn there from the
42:41
Speaker 1: same hood. You feel what I'm saying. Me and heme's
42:43
Speaker 1: from the same hood. So it's like, you know what
42:46
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just extended family. And these are dudes
42:49
Speaker 1: who These are dudes who watched us make it to
42:54
Speaker 1: where we made it at and got the opportunity now
42:56
Speaker 1: too to be a part of it. You feel what
42:58
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's super important that I take the responsibility,
43:02
Speaker 1: uh serious, and and make away some my some sort
43:06
Speaker 1: of guys who helped me get here could eat too.
43:09
Speaker 1: I think everybody asked, you know, the top rappers question,
43:12
Speaker 1: but give me your top five albums off the top
43:14
Speaker 1: of your head. This isn't like a cement list. Just
43:17
Speaker 1: what are the five albums? Come? Come, come up? Okay, Okay, Uh,
43:22
Speaker 1: I gotta go, I gotta go, Reasonable doubt, Okay, my
43:27
Speaker 1: favorite whole album, I gotta go. I gotta go. Uh
43:35
Speaker 1: uh we Are the Streets, the Los album, The Locks, yep,
43:43
Speaker 1: I love that album. Uh, Life after Death big mm hmm,
43:51
Speaker 1: and I gotta go. Nas I Am Interesting, I Am,
43:57
Speaker 1: I Am, I Am the third album, I Am, I Am.
44:02
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you a story behind that
44:04
Speaker 1: because I get that reaction all the time because I
44:06
Speaker 1: feel like it's either it was written or illmatic because
44:08
Speaker 1: everyone's answer, but I Am is I Am. When I
44:12
Speaker 1: came out, that's when I'm understanding music. So I went
44:14
Speaker 1: back to those you feel what I'm saying, That's when
44:17
Speaker 1: I'm under I'm fourteen. I remember buying that album vividly.
44:20
Speaker 1: Is a about that in TLC's fan mail as a kid. Yes,
44:23
Speaker 1: it all came out at the same time. I remembered
44:26
Speaker 1: ninety nine. I remember that, you know what I mean?
44:28
Speaker 1: What's the fifth one? Man? I would have to say
44:30
Speaker 1: the fifth one is Butcher on Steroids. Go check that out.
44:36
Speaker 1: If you never heard Butcher on Steroids, go hear that.
44:38
Speaker 1: People always ask me what's my best album? I can
44:41
Speaker 1: never pick. I heard. I listened to that the other
44:43
Speaker 1: day and I had to stop. I had to be
44:45
Speaker 1: real with myself. Butcher on Steroids are some of my
44:48
Speaker 1: best best work. I'm saying that shit is up there,
44:51
Speaker 1: but on steroids. Butcher on Steroids with Green Lantern, yoh,
44:54
Speaker 1: shout out to Green Man. Hey you you know what
45:00
Speaker 1: I love about what you guys do is like you
45:01
Speaker 1: guys will do a whole project with hit Boy or
45:03
Speaker 1: a whole project with Alchemist. You know what I'm saying,
45:05
Speaker 1: like mad madly whatever the fuck? Right? Uh? Is there
45:09
Speaker 1: any other producer that you would like to lock in
45:11
Speaker 1: with for that kind of You know, the hit Boy
45:15
Speaker 1: shit is crazy burning a proof out now go support it.
45:17
Speaker 1: But is there another producer outside of Darren j'r, outside
45:19
Speaker 1: of kind of that you would want to lock in with? On?
45:21
Speaker 1: I think you and Primo would be crazy. That's what
45:24
Speaker 1: I was about to say. I want to lock in
45:25
Speaker 1: with pream Man, I want to lock in with Ninth,
45:32
Speaker 1: I want to lock in with just just be crazy.
45:37
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and yay too. What I'm saying.
45:40
Speaker 1: If you don't get elected president, maybe you have some time.
45:42
Speaker 1: Are you voting for? Can you vote? Can vote? I'm
45:46
Speaker 1: not voting. I'm not. Yeah. You you know. I was
45:48
Speaker 1: talking to Conway and he was kind of explaining to
45:51
Speaker 1: me the like, you know, his trip to Wyoming and
45:53
Speaker 1: all that shit. Did you like your relationship with Kanye?
45:56
Speaker 1: Is there one there is? There was that more him
45:58
Speaker 1: and gun? Or yeah? It was more him a gun.
46:01
Speaker 1: I'm a shout out ya yo know what I'm saying,
46:03
Speaker 1: because they invited me, but I mean that was more.
46:05
Speaker 1: I think he like him and they did something together,
46:07
Speaker 1: but I was more him a gun. Can you talk
46:08
Speaker 1: about because I know you got to get out of
46:10
Speaker 1: here the rock Nathan, the Rock Nation guys waving waving
46:13
Speaker 1: at me, the man with the ponytail real quick, man,
46:17
Speaker 1: because I think it's important for anyone who's listening or
46:20
Speaker 1: watching this to kind of inspirational purposes. Man. You you
46:23
Speaker 1: know I just saw your daughters like going to college,
46:27
Speaker 1: right like you're a fucking father, You're I want I
46:33
Speaker 1: want you to kind of give me, you know, your
46:35
Speaker 1: take on the perseverance that it took for you to
46:37
Speaker 1: get to this point, because I think a lot of
46:38
Speaker 1: people look at you as a new artist and look
46:40
Speaker 1: at you like man, like you a grown ass man
46:42
Speaker 1: with realized responsibilities in this world, and like you're just
46:45
Speaker 1: hitting your peak. And I think a lot of people
46:49
Speaker 1: they're they're they're in it for the quick nut, and
46:51
Speaker 1: once something doesn't happen that they expect to happen as
46:54
Speaker 1: quick as they'd like it to happen, they give up
46:56
Speaker 1: and they walk away and question what they do, Like
46:59
Speaker 1: like your as a whole kind of you know what,
47:02
Speaker 1: what drove you the whole time? Man? And like just
47:07
Speaker 1: my hunger for it, and uh, knowing I had the talent,
47:10
Speaker 1: I always felt the responsibility to my talent because even
47:13
Speaker 1: when I was in and out of jail, or even
47:15
Speaker 1: when I was on the corners trapping, or even I
47:18
Speaker 1: was serving niggas who wanted to who was my fans? Like, Yo, man,
47:21
Speaker 1: you still rapping and I'm like, damn, I was just
47:23
Speaker 1: in a studio earlier. Nigga asks me, Am, I'm still rapping,
47:26
Speaker 1: and I thought I had shit on lock. You know
47:28
Speaker 1: what I'm saying in the town when Nigga asks me,
47:29
Speaker 1: is I'm still rapping. So I always felt that I
47:31
Speaker 1: always had to answer that, and I feel like far
47:36
Speaker 1: as my perseverance and everything, it's like people hear it,
47:40
Speaker 1: but they don't. They don't really take it for what
47:42
Speaker 1: is worth. Everybody want to do the cute shit. Nobody
47:44
Speaker 1: literally when they get in this game, have discipline, you
47:47
Speaker 1: feel what I'm saying. Discipline themselves and learn the business,
47:51
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, that's the higher part. Nobody
47:52
Speaker 1: want to do niggas. These niggas selling all these records,
47:55
Speaker 1: they still don't know the business. Nigga know, they still
47:57
Speaker 1: don't know shit, you know what I'm saying. Get on
47:59
Speaker 1: TV and they look like experts. These niggas don't know nothing.
48:02
Speaker 1: So I did everything step by step because I couldn't
48:06
Speaker 1: get in the records from Drake and pushing all them
48:08
Speaker 1: niggas and that Wayne, that wasn't an option for me always,
48:11
Speaker 1: So you had to earn that exactly exactly. So I
48:15
Speaker 1: did it step by step. I really did it the
48:17
Speaker 1: higher way. And you know, dudes don't want to do
48:18
Speaker 1: it no more, but it's the most that's the most
48:21
Speaker 1: valuable way to do it because it's always gonna be there.
48:25
Speaker 1: You put a brick on top of a brick that
48:26
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it's still you gonna go
48:27
Speaker 1: watch exactly. So it's like this is something physical when
48:32
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing, This is physical because the
48:34
Speaker 1: knowledge never go nowhere, you know what I'm saying. The
48:36
Speaker 1: experience that you got from that hard work and never
48:38
Speaker 1: go nowhere. And I felt like I just had the discipline,
48:42
Speaker 1: and I tell I tell my team that, like the
48:45
Speaker 1: number one thing is you got to have discipline, not
48:48
Speaker 1: enough to hang around those dudes who gonna get you
48:51
Speaker 1: some bullshit when you can't be here. You got to
48:53
Speaker 1: have enough discipline not to take the easy money over
48:55
Speaker 1: here when they're offering it to you. You got to
48:57
Speaker 1: have a discipline and not to be over here fucking
48:58
Speaker 1: with these bitches over here, instant grand bitches, screenshot your
49:02
Speaker 1: messages and all that weird shit. You gotta have discipline
49:04
Speaker 1: in this game and now to get you fired. And
49:06
Speaker 1: I'm saying when I was talking to Conway, we were
49:08
Speaker 1: talking and he was like, you know, when it comes
49:10
Speaker 1: to the Griselda, you look at it like it's a body.
49:12
Speaker 1: I'm the hard gun is the brain. And then he's
49:16
Speaker 1: the muscle. What can you give me one thing? What's
49:21
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that you've learned from Gun? Because I
49:24
Speaker 1: feel like he is a genius. I feel like we
49:26
Speaker 1: have we have seen very few people come through this
49:29
Speaker 1: music industry to have his understanding of marketing. He's just
49:33
Speaker 1: he's just a smart dude, man, and right, I learned
49:36
Speaker 1: a lot of I learned a lot of marketing from him. Obviously,
49:39
Speaker 1: I learned I learned a lot of just just do it.
49:44
Speaker 1: It's just about doing it, like you could do what
49:45
Speaker 1: you want to do. There's no blueprint for this. Ship
49:48
Speaker 1: do it. You got an idea? Do it? You know
49:50
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Uh? What else? I mean? Just just
49:54
Speaker 1: ship like that? Will there be another Griselda album? Hell?
49:57
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure? Yeah? What was she gunn too? I heard?
50:01
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I think you want to
50:02
Speaker 1: call it that? Well? Was she ain't gonna do too?
50:04
Speaker 1: What was shein't gonna do too? You guys gotta have
50:06
Speaker 1: so many fucking records? Just yes we do, Yes, we do. Hey,
50:10
Speaker 1: I want to. I want to. I need to drop
50:11
Speaker 1: the Me and the Bennie and Conway project, Like that's
50:13
Speaker 1: what really, what we need, that's what the fans want,
50:15
Speaker 1: That's what our fans want. Dom for real and me
50:18
Speaker 1: and Conway we talked about it before too, you know
50:21
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You know, niggas got their obligations and
50:23
Speaker 1: it kind of was gonna get in the middle of
50:24
Speaker 1: the obligations, not saying that we gave a funk about that.
50:27
Speaker 1: When you guys are each independent, that's like, you know,
50:30
Speaker 1: I know Conway's got a shady album that's supposed to
50:32
Speaker 1: come up at the end of the year, but like,
50:34
Speaker 1: YO know we're talking about when we talked. When we
50:36
Speaker 1: talked about it, then how many how many songs do
50:39
Speaker 1: you guys? Have you guys like, have you guys officially
50:41
Speaker 1: worked on records for that project or is it just
50:43
Speaker 1: kind of like been talked about. It's been talked about,
50:45
Speaker 1: so you guys haven't like, like, I think it should
50:47
Speaker 1: be you Conway and just pick a producer to do
50:51
Speaker 1: the whole joint, whether it's Darreinger. I think it really
50:54
Speaker 1: should be Darringer, just for the fans to I think,
50:57
Speaker 1: so if it's gonna be YouTube, it should be Darringer.
50:59
Speaker 1: Just do it for the fans. Bro. Yeah, we weren't
51:01
Speaker 1: having no other way that we we of course we
51:03
Speaker 1: would do it with Darringer and uh we we haven't
51:05
Speaker 1: done that because like that's a three four day thing.
51:08
Speaker 1: You know how to Griselda projects be we get we
51:10
Speaker 1: get together and we locked the fucking Have you guys
51:12
Speaker 1: talked about a name or anything. Yeah, you guys will
51:15
Speaker 1: sell so much fucking merch when that ship drops. Shout
51:18
Speaker 1: out to Conray. Hey man, Benny, I appreciate you. I
51:20
Speaker 1: know you gotta get baut Of here. Album is out,
51:21
Speaker 1: Burden the Proof, go support it. Uh, Plugs, I meant
51:25
Speaker 1: to come in before the end of the year, just
51:27
Speaker 1: on the way, Plugs. I meant to before twenty twenty one.
51:30
Speaker 1: Uh no, not before twenty Yeah, we go on top
51:33
Speaker 1: of January on that. Okay, the pressure is up. I
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Speaker 1: told people a couple of months ago. After June and
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Speaker 1: July is everything is mine. I've been killing features. I'm
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Speaker 1: about to I'm about to be smoking shit with this
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Speaker 1: Burden Approof and I'm doubling back. I mean, boom Benny,
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Speaker 1: appreciate you, bro, I love my boy. Let's go