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- 0:46Welcome to this week's episode of Next Level Play Therapy, where we talk about all things play therapy.
- 0:55And this week I wanna focus on a research study that I found because when I'm preparing for my trainings, or I actually happen to be kind of updating a, a training that I have using play therapy to heal trauma.
- 1:14So I went down the rabbit hole looking at different things 'cause I like to use a neuroscience and attachment lens.
- 1:20And I found this really interesting article that talks about the connection between adolescent suicidality and having experienced trauma earlier in their childhood.
- 1:36And.
- 1:37I thought that would be, it was an interesting article 'cause it really looked at the neuroscience aspect of childhood trauma and its connection to suicidality during adolescence.
- 1:53And I think it's always helpful to stay up to date on current research, especially when we're looking at, uh, particular lens, like in this case neuroscience and attachment lens, to make sure that what we're saying is actually current and relevant rather than just kind of throwing out things that are maybe not relevant anymore.
- 2:21And so when I found this article, I thought, wow, this is really interesting.
- 2:26And I think other play therapists would probably be interested in this as well, especially if you kind of like looking at the neuroscience and attachment aspects of the mental health issues that our clients are experiencing in their childhood and during their adolescence.
- 2:47So that is the topic of discussion for today, the connection between childhood trauma and adolescent suicidality, and what are some of those neural mechanisms that might be impacted by childhood trauma that are contributing to, and an increase in suicidality for adolescents.
- 3:11And I would even say you could probably consider this for adults as well.
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- 3:26What population do you work with?
- 3:28Do you work with adolescents?
- 3:31Are you working with children who've experienced trauma?
- 3:36Are you working with adolescents who have a childhood history of trauma?
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- 4:56Um, all right, so let's get started for today.
- 5:00And today's topic is, what's that connection and how does that work and what does the research say that connection between childhood trauma and adolescent suicidality?
- 5:16So when I was doing some research, like I said, I went down the research rabbit hole.
- 5:21I found this, for those of you who are watching, you could probably see I, I'm holding up a copy of the research and the, the title of the research.
- 5:33Um, I actually in the, in the description, I cited the research article, so if you're interested in looking further into it, you can always hop over there and take a look at the article.
- 5:48And then I also referenced another kind of meta-analysis that I found in the description as well.
- 5:57So there's two, two articles.
- 5:59One was published.
- 6:03Actually, I think it was this year, maybe.
- 6:082025. Maybe the other one was 2017, I think.
- 6:12So if you're interested you can look at those articles.
- 6:15So today's article that I looked at, the research study was called, okay, you're gonna glaze over a bit here probably'cause it's got some big old terms in it.
- 6:25It's called Childhood Trauma and trial.
- 6:28Childhood Trauma, Cortisol and Immune Cell Glucocorticoid Transcript Levels are associated with increased risk for suicidality in adolescents.
- 6:40So one of the things that we know from lots of studies and what the professional literature says is the connection between trauma and mental health issues.
- 6:57And so the role of childhood trauma in mental health issues for adolescents and adults is pretty well documented and often is, is below the surface, under the presenting symptoms that you may see in clients who are coming to your office, such as depression, anxiety, behavior problems, and even maybe if you're working with adults or maybe even parents who are bringing their child who's experienced a traumatic experience.
- 7:35It's not uncommon parents have a history of trauma as well.
- 7:40So, and if that's the case, then you may, may have some parents who have PTSD or maybe even personality disorders.
- 7:54I consider personality disorders as adult attachment disorders because when you really go and look at all of those factors that contributed to developing a personality disorder in adulthood is you typically find a history of significant attachment wounds and, and even trauma that wasn't completely resolved.
- 8:24Usually some complex trauma and tie that in with some pretty significant attachment wounds.
- 8:32And those are all the ingredients for developing an adult atta uh, personality disorder in adulthood.
- 8:41So it's pretty well documented that that trauma has a pretty significant impact into adults even with the ACEs study, adult childhood experiences, that found a pretty significant connection to medical issues as well.
- 9:01Maybe some chronic health issues or chronic pain issues.
- 9:07So it kind of makes sense why in the, in the professional arenas, they're still looking at the impact of trauma and all of the various ways that trauma in, in childhood impacts into adolescents as well as adulthood.
- 9:28So in this particular study that I was, that I found and that I was reviewing here in this particular study, what they did was they examined the link between childhood trauma suicidality in adolescence by comparing the cortisol levels and these immune cell glucocorticoid levels in teens, in, in adolescents or teenagers who had been admitted to a crisis stabilization program.
- 10:00So the crisis stabilization program had, um, an inpatient portion they had day treatment and crisis centers.
- 10:10And so these were teenagers who admitted because they were experiencing suicidality, and they also used a control group for adolescents with no previous history of any mental health or medical.
- 10:25So they had the experimental group and they had the control group, which to me always kind of increases the the result, the, uh, I guess I wanna say validity of the re it strengthens what they find, I think, and gives a little more information if you have a control group to compare it to.
- 10:49And so for the research, what they did is they, they had adolescents who were ages 12 to 18 years old who had been admitted to this crisis stabilization, one of these programs, and they use structured clinical assessments by using a battery of assessment instruments as well as collecting saliva and blood mononuclear cells uh, to measure the cortisol levels and the immune cell glucocorticoid levels.
- 11:26And so what does all that mean?
- 11:27I'm not gonna get too much into the technicality of the neuroscience of it, because I think for me, what I really wanted to focus on here was understanding what does that mean and help us understand what we may need to look for when we're working with clients who are experiencing, who have experienced trauma.
- 11:51And as play therapists, our ability to intervene earlier in the process.
- 11:58Because one of the things that I think is really important is gathering information early on, like from that very first psychosocial assessment.
- 12:10Gather.
- 12:11Gather all the information.
- 12:12Don't skip that one, because trauma is unique, right?
- 12:17It's unique to each individual child.
- 12:19It's unique to each individual family.
- 12:22There are definitely some typical trends or ways in which trauma will manifest, right?
- 12:33That's why we have the DSM Diagnostic and Statistical Manual.
- 12:39The diagnosis bible for those of us in the mental health field.
- 12:43So because there are certain characteristics that are similar.
- 12:47The thing is though, we, there's so much more information to gather, to better understand for our clients, and understanding the neuroscience aspect of it kind of helps us figure out our case formulation that is that we're gonna use to figure out, okay, what are we gonna do?
- 13:06First we have to understand what is going on before we can figure out what to do, right?
- 13:12So even when we're, when we're looking at trauma and learning how to work with clients who've experienced trauma, we wanna use a framework, and I'll talk a little bit more about, I have a training coming up in May, on May 17th, using, uh, healing trauma, using play therapy, a neuroscience and attachment approach.
- 13:38Because I think one of the things that we have to focus on is like what theoretical lens, what theoretical framework are we using to ground the work?
- 13:48And then what type of models are we using?
- 13:51And so to me, this information that, uh, from the article.
- 13:58Really, um, is beneficial when you are looking at things through a neuroscience and attachment lens and you're using strategies based on that approach because now you're getting a better sense of what's going on in the body, that mind body connection.
- 14:19And so what they found in this research article was that you guys are all gonna be shocked, drum roll, pre please.
- 14:29If you've worked with children or adolescents, or maybe you're new to the field, this will not be a surprise to you.
- 14:36Uh, what they found is adolescents who had experienced, uh, who had histories of childhood trauma had lower mornings resting salivary cortisol levels.
- 14:54What does that mean?
- 14:55So what they did is they took those, they took those levels in the morning, and then they looked at those two measure, basically the cortisol levels and figuring out what does that mean?
- 15:09And so what they found were for adolescents who had histories of trauma, they found these lower resting salivary cortisol levels, so which suggested blunted cortisol levels.
- 15:26And so the adolescents with histories of trauma likely are, were experiences, blunting levels versus the control group of adolescents with no history of trauma had higher resting salivary cortisol levels, suggesting their cortisol levels were not blunted.
- 15:49So I also found, because I go down these rabbit holes in this, in this other study, which is was, it's also listed in the description, it's called Early Life Adversity and Cortisol Response to Social Stress, a Meta-analysis.
- 16:07And so it was kind of consistent with this other study that looked at long-term stress response activation and now how that that long-term stress activation can contribute to, um, sensitivity for, uh, increased sensitivity to stress.
- 16:33So the, think about it this way, this vulnerability to stress can contribute to difficulty regulating emotions and responding to stressful events in an effective way.
- 16:46So here, to me, I think it helps to think about that window of stress, distress tolerance.
- 16:53What is is your, do you have a wide window of distress tolerance, meaning you can handle the stressors pretty well and stay within your window of tolerance, or do you have a really narrow window of distress tolerance and you easily are outside your window of distress, so think either hypo activation or hypo or hyperactivation of the stress response.
- 17:23And what they found was these blunted cortisol, these lowered cortisol response is indicating that they're really sensitive to the stress res response and are easily.
- 17:39Activated to threat, even when maybe it's not necessarily at at a heightened level of distress because they're so sensitive to it.
- 17:51They're constantly on the alert.
- 17:52I always think of it as their neuro system is just constantly highly activated and on on alert thinking that.
- 18:04Dangers coming from every corner, right?
- 18:08And so if you think about it, if your neuro system, if your nervous system is kind of on hyper alert, then you're not necessarily gonna be able to, um, relax.
- 18:22And that's the thing.
- 18:23So the thing you wanna remember is optimal body functioning, and we're talking about that mind body connection.
- 18:32Optimal.
- 18:34Optimal functioning is dependent upon being in a state of homeostasis.
- 18:41So throughout the day, we're experiencing different things that happen.
- 18:45Maybe low stress, maybe moderate stress, maybe no stress, maybe high stress.
- 18:51And our, our body, that, that whole limbic system and its connection information, sensory information coming in through the, through the body, through our senses and what is our brain making sense of that, and how is our frontal lobe regulating that?
- 19:14We're constantly going through that state of, um.
- 19:20Adjusting throughout the day.
- 19:23And optimal functioning means that we're able to stay in a state of homeostasis, which is basically a state of balance.
- 19:32That's where we want to go.
- 19:34The thing is though, if you are, if you are sensitive, ex extra sensitive, and your neuro system is on high alert, then you're gonna struggle with the ability to feel safe.
- 19:50To regulate emotions, to engage in, um, social interactions effectively.
- 20:00Are you seeing threat or threat doesn't exist because your cortisol responses are changed, right?
- 20:11This is what you wanna look at.
- 20:13And then how are you?
- 20:16How are you able to get your clients to, I would say, kinda reset those threat responses in order to have decreased mental health issues and decrease the negative long-term impact medically.
- 20:37And so to me, this is where, um, this is where play therapists can be beneficial, right?
- 20:51So we know that play therapy can help to intervene and influence that neural circuitry level through those implicit and sensory experiences in play.
- 21:08And we have the ability to use play therapy to intervene early in the life of a child who has experienced trauma, and the goal would be to loosen, uh, to, uh, to lessen the negative impact of trauma on children.
- 21:32Right?
- 21:33That's the, that's why play therapists.
- 21:35That's why we do what we do, right?
- 21:37We wanna make a difference.
- 21:39We want to help children.
- 21:41And we know play therapy is an expressive modality that you can use movement, you can use play, you can use art, you can use sensory um, aspects of play to influence that neuro circuitry.
- 22:04But first and foremost, we have to establish that sense of safety in the play therapy session.
- 22:13That's the key, right?
- 22:14There's that therapeutic use of self within the context of a theoretical model that's gonna help you, access the therapeutic powers of play for your client who's experienced trauma.
- 22:32But we also know that they can't access their play circuits until the threat circuitry has been deactivated.
- 22:44So it's that combination of creating that safe space, which I talked about in last week's session in depth, how to create that safe space for children who have experienced trauma and the different components to think about that help to create that safe space.
- 23:06And this week really talking about when you're using that neuroscience and attachment lens, that, especially the neuroscience component of it, you're looking at how does trauma influence the body?
- 23:20How does trauma influence those neuro, that neuro processing.
- 23:25Um, Daniel Siegel talks about that flow of information and energy from that top down and bottom up approach of integration.
- 23:35Right.
- 23:36And Stephen Porges, we learned a lot about polyvagal theory and those threat circuits and how those get activated and what happens when those threat circuits are activated.
- 23:50And so the research that they found from the study is that yes, indeed the cortisol levels are impacted by trauma.
- 24:00And then for as play therapists, how can we help to reset, so to speak, some of that negative impact.
- 24:12The key though is really, um, having a framework to work from, having a framework that influences how you go about establishing that therapeutic rapport.
- 24:25What each stage of the change process looks like and what you're going to do in sessions with each stage in that change process for your unique client.
- 24:38What is that gonna look like for your unique client.
- 24:43And what happens, what I found is when, when play therapists are not doing that case formulation from the very beginning based on all of the information they've gathered and their theoretical lens that helps them make sense of what is causing the problem and what patterns are sustaining it when you're, when you're not using that information gathering and formulating your case conceptualization based on a theory model, then a lot of times what I've noticed is the focus is on, and maybe you started out, this happens a lot too, especially in the beginning.
- 25:29Um, maybe you started out using a model, but then you got into the, the sessions, a few sessions.
- 25:40And now you're just trying to figure out what activities to use that in the session that are gonna, that make all the difference.
- 25:47Right.
- 25:48And it feels awful because then you get kind of lost in the process.
- 25:53You start thinking, oh my gosh, I'm messing up.
- 25:56I'm not helping.
- 25:57You're getting, maybe you're getting phone calls from parents in between sessions or texts or emails saying things are getting worse or not getting better.
- 26:07Then you feel re responsible and pressure for doing a good job and helping.
- 26:14And so you don't fail at this.
- 26:17And then your focus then becomes on the activities and not necessarily what model are you using and where are you in that change process.
- 26:29And if you're in, if you're in the second stage of whatever model you're using, what does that look like?
- 26:36What are you focused on in that model and what does that model say to do in those play therapy sessions?
- 26:46So the thing is that I found is using, having a framework that's grounded in a theory model, which, and I always like to bring in the research 'cause I love using neuroscience and attachment and then using an integrated approach when it, for kids that are older than like eight or nine, definitely by nine, I'm typically moving from child-centered play therapy into a, a more integrated approach, moving out of a strict child-centered play therapy model into more of an integrated model where I'm integrating some of the components of child-centered play therapy and then the trauma model that I learned years and years ago that, that integrates in the sensory aspects of play there.
- 27:39I mean the sensory aspects of trauma and working through different stages, and what do you do in each stage using that model to help children overcome the impact of trauma.
- 27:54And that's the key is having that framework to work out of.
- 28:00So that one, if you are using a neuroscience lens that now you are looking at it as okay threat.
- 28:07Children who've experienced trauma have more sensitive responses because of their cortisol levels, so they're gonna respond differently than a child who hasn't experienced trauma on a day-to-day basis.
- 28:26So we may find more increased emotion dis dysregulation because of the neuro system response.
- 28:35So if I'm using this lens and I'm gonna be looking at things I can do to settle down that neurosystem response.
- 28:44How am I processing and changing those implicit or sensory experiences within the body?
- 28:55And then based on my model, it's gonna show me what to do at each each stage of the play therapy process.
- 29:03And so that is it for today.
- 29:07Let me do a quick recap.
- 29:09So first of all.
- 29:12There is from, there's a, a long history of, let me rephrase that.
- 29:19What we've known from the literature is that there is a lot of support showing that childhood trauma is a contributor to mental health issues into adolescents and adulthood.
- 29:42And so that the, what you find is adolescents and adults who have experienced childhood trauma often, it's not uncommon that to see them with histories of depression, anxiety, behavior problems, relationship problems, social interaction problems.
- 30:04Es, especially the more severe the trauma, I think the more severe the impact, right?
- 30:09That's what we've learned over the last decades.
- 30:13And so the, what I did is today look at a research article that showed how trauma impacts that stress regulation system and how trauma has resulted in increased depression.
- 30:32Ex this article increased depression and suicidality in adolescence is connected to those cortisol levels.
- 30:42And so if you're, if you have clients, maybe you're working with adolescents and maybe they're really struggling with, um, suicide.
- 30:52Then you definitely make sure you get a good thorough family hi, family history one to see if trauma has passed down through the generations, and then gives you information to know how, you know what you might wanna consider when you're working with parents.
- 31:11But also if there's a history of childhood trauma for your adolescents and maybe you wanna make sure to target that trauma and then with the, um, hypothesis, so to speak, that that will alleviate the suicidal ideation.
- 31:32And, and the, the thing that we know as play therapists is that we can intervene early, but even I work with adolescents.
- 31:43I use play therapy with adolescents, typically more in the form of accessing expressive arts modalities to help them process trauma.
- 31:56In a way that doesn't require them to verbally articulate and try to access those cognitive areas of the brain that they're not yet ready to or able to access.
- 32:10So to be honest, I've used play therapy with adults who've experienced trauma as well.
- 32:17I love using sand tray.
- 32:19It's such a sensory experience.
- 32:22Um, easily accesses implicit memory experiences, art, music, poetry, all of the things I've even had adults use movement through different activities to help them reprocess and reset some things.
- 32:44So we know the benefits of play therapy can make a huge difference, especially early on helping to process and address and reset, so to speak, that mind body connection for children.
- 33:05And the thing is to do that effectively, you definitely want to use.
- 33:11Um, a theoretical model that's gonna influence how you're c you're formulating that case conceptualization.
- 33:20Case conceptualization is a fancy word for what exactly is going on under, like, down in the roots of this and what patterns in this child's life are sustaining it.
- 33:34Either for the child, like what you're looking at, activation patterns, or maybe systemically looking at interaction and relationship patterns as well.
- 33:46And so you wanna use that model that's gonna be influenced by you wanna use that case conceptualization that's influenced by your theoretical model.
- 33:58And then your theoretical model is gonna help you guide you through each stage.
- 34:03And then you can choose activities based on your model, um, that are going to fit for your client, your specific client, and what works for them, and when to use what activity and how to use it.
- 34:20So that is it for today.
- 34:24Um, if you're interested in the training that I have coming up called Healing Trauma using Play Therapy, uh, neuroscience and Attachment Approach, it's on May 17th.
- 34:37It's full day.
- 34:39We're gonna do that neuroscience and attachment case conceptualization.
- 34:44Understanding all of the ways trauma is, those implicit experiences are stored away and how they get activated.
- 34:58And to me, this is where that attachment and neuroscience and interpersonal neurobiology and, um, polyvagal theory, understanding kind of, using that lens as our case conceptualization.
- 35:14And then we're gonna look at, um, 'cause the other thing that comes up, how do we know what's going on in session?
- 35:21So we're gonna look a little bit at behaviors and play themes that you might see going on in the playroom to give you an idea and you're gonna use that, look at that through that neuroscience and attachment lens.
- 35:35That's gonna help you understand what's going on in the, in the sessions.
- 35:39And then looking at using an integrated model.
- 35:43Using that integrated model that, um, accesses, research and wisdom of neuroscience and attachment theory with a trauma specific model and what that trauma specific model looks like in each stage.
- 36:02And then we're also gonna be looking at diff, we'll do some activities, some ideas for activities and where you would plug those in as well as some tips for working with parents.
- 36:14So it's a full, very packed day so that when you walk away, you have strategies that you can implement right away.
- 36:26And even if you've been doing it for a while, the lot of the experiential aspects of it is really to help refresh you and this hard work that we do.
- 36:38So, interacting with your colleagues, getting more ideas, feeling refreshed, and using strategies that you can implement right away in sessions with your clients.
- 36:53So right now there's an early bird pricing.
- 36:56It ends April 30th.
- 36:58So if you wanna take advantage of that early bird pricing, then you are gonna wanna register before April 30th and, uh, registration ends May 15th.
- 37:11So the training is on May 17th.
- 37:14You can attend in person or virtually.
- 37:18Registration is closing May 15th, so I can get everything ready.
- 37:22And, when you register, there's another bonus because I think the community aspect to me, like the one thing I always thought about is I go to these awesome trainings and then I go home and then I don't have anybody to process them with or when things happen, I don't have a community of play therapists to get more ideas and maybe get some, we do some, consultation you'll get.
- 37:53Um, I have a new membership that's not, registration isn't open, but you can get in 'cause it's a new membership that I launched back in March last month.
- 38:04And so it's kind of closed now.
- 38:06And if you register for the training, you'll get two free months in the um, Play Therapy Elevation Circle.
- 38:17That's the new membership.
- 38:19We meet.
- 38:20We meet once a once a month, do consultation.
- 38:23There are other resources in the platform, videos, PDFs.
- 38:28There's a community group, or it's not a Facebook group.
- 38:31It's a group that's in the platform where you can ask questions and get feedback.
- 38:36I answer a lot of the questions in there.
- 38:39Community members can answer questions, get feedback from each other, and ideas.
- 38:44It's kind of the model that I. I used my Play Therapy Academy model, which is kind of like a higher level, more hands-on VIP like experience.
- 38:54And what worked really well is that community feature and the interaction.
- 38:59So I kind of took that model and applied it to this new membership that is, doesn't have as high of a commitment, financially or time, but still provides access to support.
- 39:15So I wanted to take all the awesome things that work in Play Therapy Academy and put them in my, my new membership Play Therapy Elevation Circle.
- 39:26And so that's what you have access to for two.
- 39:29You have two free months.
- 39:31You can always continue if you want to, but when you register for the training, uh, hailing trauma using play therapy, a neuroscience and attachment approach.
- 39:42That's gonna take place on May 17th.
- 39:45When you register for the training, the added bonus is that you will get access to the membership.
- 39:53So my therapy stone says hello.
- 39:56Very interesting.
- 39:57Welcome.
- 39:58That's awesome.
- 39:59So if you're interested in the training, you can click the link in the comments below.
- 40:06Or you can pop over to my website at RH Play Therapy Training.
- 40:15Dot com.
- 40:16That's Renewing hearts Play therapy training.com.
- 40:21Pop over to the website, click on the courses page and you'll see it in the courses page.
- 40:28You can always message me for the link.
- 40:30If that's easier, feel free to message me.
- 40:33Happy to put that, um, link in the message for you or check the comments.
- 40:40All righty, I'll see you next week.
- 40:43Bye for now.
- 40:47Thank you for joining me on this episode of Next Level Play Therapy.
- 40:52I hope you found the discussion valuable and gained new insights and ideas to support your work helping children, adolescents, and families heal.
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