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How Young Men Are Being Manipulated Into Hating Women | Maintaining Frame 173 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Brian here with Allison, and this is maintaining frame
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  Speaker 1: number one seventy three. How young men are being manipulated
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  Speaker 1: into hating women? And yeah, and more.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like two and more things, multiple things.
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  Speaker 2: I have a whole cornucopia of things. Corny copia is
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  Speaker 2: that a good word for this, Like a horn of
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  Speaker 2: plenty full of feminist meanderings and feminist scholarship and other
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  Speaker 2: scholarship that completely debunks the feminist scholarship.
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  Speaker 3: And we're going to go through it all.
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  Speaker 2: I have a document with the general gist of what
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about.
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  Speaker 3: But the first thing is.
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  Speaker 2: There's this article that was called young men are being Taught.
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  Speaker 3: To Hate Women.
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  Speaker 2: Leave.
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  Speaker 3: Let me see if I can find it. Open it up.
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  Speaker 3: I said to you archive.
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  Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's the psychology today is the one?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, it's actually the later one it is.
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  Speaker 3: Let me find it.
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  Speaker 1: It's this one, and it's medium.
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  Speaker 2: I'll share how young men are being manipulated into hating women. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a horrifying study looks at why misogyny is so rampant today.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not you know, I was reading this or
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  Speaker 2: I was listening to this, and I was thinking, it's
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  Speaker 2: not creators like Alexander Grace showing men women's own words,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like all the TikTok content where women express
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  Speaker 2: these sentiments towards men.
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  Speaker 3: It's not that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's not women's own words that are making men. I
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  Speaker 2: don't even think they are becoming misogynists, but just wary.
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  Speaker 2: It is, in fact, the Facebook algorithm, the YouTube algorithm,
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  Speaker 2: the Google algorithm of course, is that that's the thesis
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  Speaker 2: in this particular one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically far right men fear.
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  Speaker 3: And I'll be debunking that.
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  Speaker 2: But then this article links to the Psychology Today article,
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  Speaker 2: which is I believe I put it up above here. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we just take a look at it, and so it
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  Speaker 2: links to this one debunking the myth of the man
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  Speaker 2: hating feminist and just just spoilers everyone, it's not debunked.
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  Speaker 2: This Psychology Today article should never have been published if
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  Speaker 2: they had any scruples, any academic scruples, because it shows
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  Speaker 2: the exact opposite of the headline.
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  Speaker 3: And we'll go through that.
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  Speaker 2: We'll go through this article and also the study that
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  Speaker 2: it is based on, and and there's a few more
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  Speaker 2: studies that I want to go through. I put them
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  Speaker 2: all through. I don't know if you put them.
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  Speaker 3: Up in chats. Great, all right on the ball, and.
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  Speaker 2: We are starting a little bit early, so everything is
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  Speaker 2: sort of so the only thing that we have to
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  Speaker 2: wait on is is Godcat or Godcat boyd Cat to
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  Speaker 2: come in like a like a meteorite, meteorite. Yeah it's meteorite,
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  Speaker 2: a meteorite and destroy everything.
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  Speaker 4: So far, so very small black storm.
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  Speaker 2: Cloud, yeah, very small black storm cloud with a localized
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  Speaker 2: e MP effect.
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  Speaker 3: All right, so.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just start with the first one that I sent through.
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  Speaker 3: So I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did a little animation of the first article, just
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  Speaker 2: so we have something more visual to respond to, because
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  Speaker 2: I know that people like that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, the alice advanced for I believe, okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: Let me put that on the screen. I'm sorry, guys,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm like tired, I have touched too much grass.
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  Speaker 1: I went out with the grass and I touched way
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  Speaker 1: too much grass. So be warned if you go out
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  Speaker 1: and touch grass, you know, do so touch too much? Psibly,
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  Speaker 1: do so in moderation. But I went out and I
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  Speaker 1: touched way too much grass. So I have you been
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  Speaker 1: having grass everything hurts?
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  Speaker 2: What have you had grass dreams?
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  Speaker 1: Tonight?
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  Speaker 3: Tonight crashing over you? Just okay?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, this is the first video, so let me
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  Speaker 1: turn on the old advanced scene switcher and we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into it.
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  Speaker 5: How young men are being manipulated into hating women. A
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  Speaker 5: horrifying study looks at why misogyny is so rampant today
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  Speaker 5: by Linda Carroll. Last summer, The Guardian did a horrifying experiment.
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  Speaker 5: They bought new phones and set them up with new
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  Speaker 5: email addresses that hadn't been used for anything. Then they
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  Speaker 5: set up Facebook and Instagram accounts. The profiles they created
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  Speaker 5: were for twenty four year old men. The profiles had
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  Speaker 5: no friends, no viewing history, and they turned off all
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  Speaker 5: ad tracking, so there was nothing to draw the men's
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  Speaker 5: interests from. Here's what happened on Facebook, All right?
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, So the horror mm hmmm, the horror.
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  Speaker 1: Of this EXPERI created fake Facebook and Instagram accounts and
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  Speaker 1: pretend to be twenty four year old men. What is
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  Speaker 1: it with feminists pretending to be men on the Internet?
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  Speaker 4: Are you noticing creating the real space by uh trying
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  Speaker 4: to be men?
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  Speaker 2: No, they're trying to get the scoop right, they want
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  Speaker 2: to find out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like there's something else going on.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's something.
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  Speaker 4: Something Laura Bates would hang out.
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  Speaker 2: In the forms, you know, pretending to be a twelve
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  Speaker 2: year old boy or something.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't, you know, I would think that that would
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  Speaker 1: get you like thrown in jail or into a word.
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  Speaker 4: But not if you're not if you're a woman trying
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  Speaker 4: to like expose the.
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  Speaker 3: Men the boys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeahs not if you're a feminist, because you can. You
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  Speaker 2: can go into really sketch situations with young boys all
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  Speaker 2: you want. Your feminism defends you. It cloaks you in
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  Speaker 2: the in the in the white gown of righteousness. You
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  Speaker 2: can't possibly be doing anything salacious or creepy er predatory.
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  Speaker 2: You're a feminine, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So all right, so anyway, let's yeah, I just
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  Speaker 1: wanted to get to set the stage.
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  Speaker 2: In the horrifying Instagram at the stage.
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  Speaker 4: Here and this is the Medium article.
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  Speaker 5: They saw sitcom memes, news articles, and jokes from the office.
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  Speaker 5: Day two, they saw more of the same, plus Star
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  Speaker 5: Wars memes and dude bro content like buffed gym shots.
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  Speaker 5: By day three, sexist content was already starting to show
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  Speaker 5: up in the feed. Meanwhile, Instagram was going crazy showing
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  Speaker 5: them photos of women in skimpier and skimpier bikinis.
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  Speaker 4: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait
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  Speaker 4: a minute.
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  Speaker 1: So is she going to define what constitutes sexist content
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  Speaker 1: on the internet like by day three and also Instagram?
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  Speaker 1: Like women wearing next to nothing on Instagram. That's men's faults.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's what women are doing on Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: like they're just doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's that's men's fault.
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  Speaker 4: You didn't know, Yeah, I guess it is.
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  Speaker 3: That's the fault of men.
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  Speaker 2: No, she's not going to operationalize sexism. She's just going
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  Speaker 2: to let it float there like a turd.
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  Speaker 3: Just just stinking up the room.
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  Speaker 2: But no, she doesn't define it at all. She doesn't
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  Speaker 2: give any examples of it either.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's the trustee, bro, that's the science, trust me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's feminist science. Really, it's trust me, bro. It
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  Speaker 2: is the academics that allowed this to happen should feel
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  Speaker 2: ashamed of themselves. I'm going to talk about the feminist
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  Speaker 2: because I don't think they.
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  Speaker 3: Feel shame or human emotions.
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  Speaker 2: But the academics that allowed them to continue to operate
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  Speaker 2: in the space completely with no oversight, no ethical oversight.
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  Speaker 1: Probably they would probably try to argue, if pressed on it,
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  Speaker 1: that women feel pressure to upload skim like images of
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  Speaker 1: themselves and skimpy outfits to Instagram because of men. They
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  Speaker 1: would probably say that men make them do it by
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  Speaker 1: giving those women attention, which makes other women think, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I want attention from these men. But it's never like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because the women just want attention, which is
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  Speaker 1: like what it really is. It's always, well, men are
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  Speaker 1: doing this to them, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because it's the men who are demanding that this
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  Speaker 2: is how they get attention from women. You know, if
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  Speaker 2: if men gave attention for women based on how feminists
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  Speaker 2: they were, they wouldn't have a problem with it. I think,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, maybe they would still think it
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  Speaker 2: was practicing patriarchy to seek men's approval in any capacity.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's let's get more into it.
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  Speaker 5: You can almost hear the silent scream of dude, look
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  Speaker 5: at her. Come on, click this image for cripe's sakes,
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  Speaker 5: here's what you need to understand.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, you can almost hear the silent scream of dude,
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  Speaker 1: click on the what is it? Yeah, dude, look at her?
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  Speaker 1: Come on, click on this image. This is what they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: This is what women do on Expert. They're literally trying
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  Speaker 1: to get you to click on their pictures. The women
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  Speaker 1: are doing this.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but you know women are most affected by what
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  Speaker 2: women do. Yeah, yep, well, I mean that's functionally true.
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  Speaker 1: But they literally try to send you to their only
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  Speaker 1: fans or their or whatever, you know, like they they're
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  Speaker 1: they're always doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah but men, you know what but Brian, men, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but men, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: No one was clicking anything. The whole study was journalists
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  Speaker 5: doing a little test. They set up the profiles, joined
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  Speaker 5: Facebook and Instagram and then set the phones down on
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  Speaker 5: their desks and just watch them to see what happened.
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  Speaker 5: It's the kind of real human reporting that we seldom
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  Speaker 5: see in a world of AI generated content. Real people
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  Speaker 5: are taking the time to investigate for three months, they
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  Speaker 5: just watched those accounts. Three months later, the feeds were
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  Speaker 5: full of sexist and misogynistic content that appeared with no
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  Speaker 5: input from users. No one was no operationalizations, no engagement,
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  Speaker 5: no one's looking anything on the phone. There were no
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  Speaker 5: twenty four year old men, just journalists doing a experiment.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they are saying that this is purely algorithmic,
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  Speaker 2: So if they just know that you're a whatever man,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to start serving up this content. However, there
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  Speaker 2: are some problems with this conclusion from this experiment. Fun
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  Speaker 2: it's probably serving up the most popular content of the
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  Speaker 2: day for that group of men. Honestly, So if a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of men are looking at this content, that's
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  Speaker 2: what the algorithm is going to serve up to you,
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  Speaker 2: based just on demographic factors. Two, if the men were
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  Speaker 2: not interacting at all, it might have been cycling through
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  Speaker 2: things to find something that it would they would interact with.
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  Speaker 3: So what does that mean. It just means they're throwing
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  Speaker 3: spaghetti at the wall.
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  Speaker 2: Three. They don't operationalize what sexism and misogyny means in
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  Speaker 2: this content so context, so who knows what they're actually finding.
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  Speaker 4: And I could just be saying this is a nice picture.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, of course we don't have the This
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  Speaker 2: isn't a study, guys, this is this is journalists, modern
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  Speaker 2: day journalists doing the bare minimum. So I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: guess we could try to find those articles I'm not
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  Speaker 2: particularly that interested in it, but I doubt that there's
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  Speaker 2: any kind of rigor here. I doubt that they really
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  Speaker 2: define the terms misogyny or sexism. They just, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: let it sit there like a turd stinking up the room,
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  Speaker 2: and then let you fill it in with your imagination,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like.
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  Speaker 3: What I think Hitchcock said, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: No, might not be Hitchcock, might be somebody else, but
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  Speaker 2: a horror a horror creator said nothing is scarier, Nothing
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  Speaker 2: is scarier than nothing than just letting your imagination run wild.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, John Carpenter.
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  Speaker 4: He's the one who coined it. I'm just saying, I
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  Speaker 4: know he said something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so well it's good enough.
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  Speaker 2: So they're letting our imaginations run wild on the word
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  Speaker 2: sexism and misogyny, but they are not going to explain
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  Speaker 2: what they are because that would take away the horror,
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  Speaker 2: and it would be more legitimate and honest.
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  Speaker 3: And we don't want to be that.
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  Speaker 2: We just want to live in a feeling, you know.
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  Speaker 2: We just want to generate a feeling because feelings are
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  Speaker 2: the best ways to make decisions.
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  Speaker 3: Or have decisions made for you.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So journalists just doing an experiment I think
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  Speaker 1: is where we left off.
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  Speaker 5: So they reached out to Facebook asked, hey, do you
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  Speaker 5: want to explain what's in these feeds? Facebook said they
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't respond if it's on the record. Of course they
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't because when Facebook testified at a parliamentary inquiry in
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  Speaker 5: the EU, they testified that what each person sees on
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  Speaker 5: Facebook is influenced by their choices and actions and said
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  Speaker 5: each person's feed is highly personalized.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not inconsistent. Like literally, that's not inconsistent. Again,
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  Speaker 2: they're serving up popular content in that category.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, you go ahead, and they may.
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  Speaker 2: Start with the most general and then try work in
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  Speaker 2: specific niches and if you click on nothing, you may
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  Speaker 2: end up going into a niche hole.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the algorithms trying to find out what you like,
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  Speaker 1: and it's trying to give you, yeah, exactly based on.
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  Speaker 4: What you click on.
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  Speaker 1: So and the thing is too, Yeah, there's there's some
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  Speaker 1: there's some tipping of the scales too, like if you
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  Speaker 1: I like, was going through my Facebook reels and I
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  Speaker 1: came across one video that I thought was kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a series of Essentially, it gives you
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  Speaker 1: a website that's like really interesting, Like they call it
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  Speaker 1: powerful websites you know that you need to know and
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  Speaker 1: it's like a series of these and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of cool, and because it was like about
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  Speaker 1: something I was interested in, so I went and checked
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  Speaker 1: it out. And now I get that all the time, yea,
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  Speaker 1: even though only I looked at one, So like it's
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  Speaker 1: trying to like trying to figure out what I like.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, if you get like young, if you make
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  Speaker 1: a profile as a young man, then I think that
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  Speaker 1: it's got to start somewhere. So it's gonna start with,
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  Speaker 1: you know, giving you women. That's again, no one asks
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  Speaker 1: like why, well, why does the discn exists? It's only
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  Speaker 1: like why are men enjoying it? It's like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: it's out there. There are women that are making videos
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  Speaker 1: of themselves doing jumping jacks or whatever right for attention,
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  Speaker 1: Like that is out there and most of them have,
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  Speaker 1: well not most, but a lot of them have. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like their gateway to get you to check out
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  Speaker 1: their mature content. Like they use it to get you
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  Speaker 1: into the mature content. And could we have a discussion
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  Speaker 1: about the ethics of that, Like if there's like you know,
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  Speaker 1: they already did this thing on YouTube where they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do They're gonna use AI for age verification, for example,
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think I don't think it's gonna work
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  Speaker 1: that well because you know, if there's like kids on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: like and when I say kids, it's kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna try to say like young teenagers,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to run into content. And I think they
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  Speaker 1: do of women who are promoting adult content, but they're
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  Speaker 1: doing it safely with YouTube, and then they like they
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  Speaker 1: pay you know, diferent services to put to to like
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  Speaker 1: so of like maximize their visibility on YouTube or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and so.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to get to people.
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  Speaker 1: But no, if we're going to have a conversation about
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  Speaker 1: the ethics of that behavior, that's one thing. But they're
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  Speaker 1: just mad that men are looking at it that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and that's kind of stupid because you're you're blaming the
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  Speaker 1: customer really, not the or the receiver, not necessarily the
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  Speaker 1: person who's creating the content. Right, It's like punishing the
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  Speaker 1: drug addict and not the drug dealer. Sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, and also men looking at adult
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  Speaker 2: women is not a problem. I mean, I guess if
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  Speaker 2: you want to be really strict with Christian values, that's
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  Speaker 2: a problem because it's lusting.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, but I'm not trying to get the I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying, like, if this was a conversation about again
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  Speaker 1: the ethics of that, because I do think that there's there's.
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  Speaker 2: There's never the other part. There's never the other part.
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  Speaker 2: The people who are constructing this content right that they
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  Speaker 2: just get a free pass even though they might be
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  Speaker 2: baiting young men, young underage.
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  Speaker 4: Men if they do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that like if there was like and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that it exists, like whether it's like older
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  Speaker 1: men or grown men that are like using the internet
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  Speaker 1: to get closer to underage boys and girls and we
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  Speaker 1: all find that.
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  Speaker 4: Repulsive and we should, but women do it too.
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  Speaker 1: But the way they go about it is so slick
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  Speaker 1: that we we're in this place now, right, Like I
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  Speaker 1: know these guys are like twenty four or whatever. But
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  Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, this is a conversation about something
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  Speaker 1: that I don't think really matters all that much because
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  Speaker 1: these aren't even real men, and I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: We have to watch the rest of Well, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: need to move on but no, I get what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: They aren't real men, and they're not having the other
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  Speaker 2: half of the conversation, which is women baiting the people
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  Speaker 2: in the first trapping, you know, across the spectrum, not
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  Speaker 2: just old men like twenty four years old, but young boys,
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  Speaker 2: which is grooming behavior. So I mean that they never
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  Speaker 2: have that conversation. It's always just men are being served
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  Speaker 2: this content. It's their fault. Of course, the argument here
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  Speaker 2: is that it's the algorithm, because the feminists are on
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: the eternal and never ending search for the mythical font
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: of patriarchy. But anyway, let's uh, and now it's in
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the algorithm, because I.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Also think that if they can blame the algorithm, they
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: can use that to control essentially the Internet comes down.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Just the ultimate name is the control of everything that
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: people see and hear and think about. It's what they
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: that's the ultimate name of this group of ideologues. But
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: let's finish this.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Because I want to. I don't want to this one.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: It's on the meta platform are assessed by how popular
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: they are. Then algorithms predict how relevant any given post
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: is to any given person, so what each person sees
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: will be unique based on what they click on. That's
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: what he said in parliament, which is clearly not true.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: That's well, but it's again.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: That could be entirely consistent with what's happening with your experiment. Again,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: they could be gaid popular things that are being looked
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: at by that demographic that day, and then just fed
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: popular things that and if they don't interact with it,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: they just do more stuff. I mean, maybe there's some
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: kind of control she's not reporting on, but this doesn't care.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if they made artificial profiles, maybe they are
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like keywords in the profiles, because the claim is the
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: experiment is that this they made up a profile of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: a I guess, an average twenty four year old man,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: probably a white man, and they put in they had
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: to answer some questions, right to make the profiles real,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and they may have filled out as much information as possible,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But if they did so with their own presuppositions about
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: what a twenty four year old just to make it convincing, right,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: like what are twenty four year old man like, oh, boobies?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't know if you could put that in,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, Like, if they put
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: for a job something like you know, tit inspector and
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: it might actually trigger the aldermen at some point down line,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: or that they're interested in working out, you know, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: like I don't know, testosphone driven things like I like
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: sports and beer and women and fast cars and.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Like these sort of typical stuff.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: That's what you're going to get then, So I mean,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that's the way it works.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: I okay, but let's let's keep going, because that's not
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: exactly what I wanted to point out. Like, she's setting
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the stage that the algorithms are constructing misogyny, even though
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: supposedly misogyny is an internal force that has always existed
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: in opposed women since the dawn of time, but now
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it's particularly here. It's particularly here, were over something that
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: feminists don't have complete control over. What a surprise you,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: misogyny is wherever feminists want to have control.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: All right, let's let's go okay, Because there were those
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: phones sitting on journalist's desks, getting more misogynistic by the day,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: and no one was clicking anything. I guess they think
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: hate and misogyny are relevant to young men. It's not
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: just Facebook and Instagram. The Guardian did similar experiments in
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: both twenty twenty two and twenty twenty four on YouTube
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: and TikTok, in which multiple accounts set up as young
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: men and teenage boys were very rapidly funneled to Manisphere content,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: again without any engagement. Again just journalists watching the phones
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: to see what happens. Doctor Stephanie Wescott is not surprised.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: She's a lecturer in humanities and social sciences at Monash University.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: She said, that's just the kind of content algorithms are serving.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Yet is a non degree degree?
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what the hell is that degree in elecities and
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: social sciences.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: When you hear something like that, you might as well
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: substitute that with a degree in academic Nope.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the only person who on social sciences is Aiden,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: but even she is like regretful of having gotten involved
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: in that field.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: All right, let's sell.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: All right, So back to this, not to women but
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to men.
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: It's kind of degrading for men for the algorithm to
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: make this assumption about their interests that you're going to
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: like these kind of misogynistic memes source The Guardian. But
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: that's exactly what happened in the studies journalists watching as
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: the content on those phones got more toxic, sexist, and misogynistic.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: By the day and operationalized.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: One reason because the profiles were young men. Every time
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: I read about feminism or women's issues.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Man, this is a really sudden change of topic. I
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: don't know if you notice that when I was when
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I was going through to make this animation, I'm like, wow, okay,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: so at three minutes and twenty seconds in, we're just
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: going somewhere else now, Like, I.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Don't know what this.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I think this was written by AI, which is terrifying.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: They now have AI slop AI mis injury slop generators.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Oh it's not hard. I mean feminists are to NPCs too,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: so okay.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: But it just completely this is this is the section
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I was actually more interested in.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, I am someone in just did in.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: The malarkey about the phones and stuff was.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Growing like a festering, cancerous humor by the day, just
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: sitting there on the desk interaction.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, can you imagine can you imagine that that that
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: misogyny infesting the minds of.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Twenty four year old men? No, they they they should
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: they shouldn't.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And you know the funny thing is that the misogyny
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that they're talking about is things like Jordan Peterson, Yeah,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: and frog memes.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate in the same sentence, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: those guys couldn't be more different. But yeah, it just
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: means anyone who isn't isn't sharing their approved messaging that
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: only they control. So it's anybody used to a line.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly what they said.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: That's why they said, Oh my god, manisphere content was there.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It's like, well, what does that even mean? Like, yeah, exact.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Anything that isn't the femisphere is the manosphere. And again,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: the hemosphere is.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Darth the death Star.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: The manosphere is the Ewok village can Pike comparison, Like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that's the size comparisons. But anything that's not the femosphere
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: is the manosphere probably, and also sexist. Anything that they
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: don't control is sexist misogynists and.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Gotta call it all out.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let's let's go to this section. Oh wait, actually,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: should I do the things like I haven't even done them? Yeah,
• 23:31
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• 23:34
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  Speaker 2: so that we can keep bringing you this scintillating content
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: that the femam sphere does not want you to see
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: and does not want to exist because honestly, I don't
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: think they don't have counter argument to my criticism.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Of feminism, which is what we're going to get to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: when we get a little further in. So let's uh,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: let's watch a bit more, all.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Right, new subscriber apparently Culpepper says he subscribed. He's in
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the in the special chat. So thank you, Terrell. I'm
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: glad that you came across our content. Sometimes like we
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: slip through the cracks of the algorithm and we reach people. Yes,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: I know that you doesn't like that.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Well, come to the I don't want to welcome to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the manisphere within the manisphere.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the meta manisphere. All right, anyway, let's continue.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: True gruesome, deplorable deplorables.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I used to just shrug it off. Sure,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: there are women who hate men, but they're not the majority,
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: not even close. A twenty twenty four study, Potter and
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Doyle Peterson Leech at al. Said mis injury as a
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: feminist trait is a myth. Their research spanned six studies
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: and ten thousand participants and said feminist women don't have
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: any harsher opinions of men than non feminist women do
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: or other men for that matter.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Does that also, that sounds like you're almost saying that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: even non feminist women hate men about as much as
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: feminous women do.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is which is which is an l for
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: everyone female. But but but but but it's also complete
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: bullshit and we're going to get into that. I okay, yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: let's just just I'm good, I will get spoilers.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: It was, it's bullshit all along.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, all right, let's continue.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Then, he said feminists actually have more positive regard for men,
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: but the report said how a man is regarded is
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: also affected by how safe or threatening he appears to be,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: which duh. So every time some man spouted off about
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: man haters, I shrugged it off as another straw man argument.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: But one day a close friend made a comment on
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: how tiring it is to see so much man hating
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: content out there, and I did a double take. I said, wait,
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: what where are you seeing that? He said, it's everywhere,
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: everywhere you look, women hating men.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: But I don't see that.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: And I don't mean I don't see it as in
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I don't understand. I mean it very literally, as in,
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: that is not the type of content I see on
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: the Internet. That's when it really hit me. We are
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: not all seeing the same internet, just like the Guardian test,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: where are.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: You all right?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Like this is I don't see man hating content, says
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the woman who probably stereotypes men, is oppressing women.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Your fundamental identity.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Algorithm is tricking me into seeing content that well and
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: just seeing.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the algorithm is just inventing this content that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: man hating. Like okay, So the algorithm constructed all those
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: women in the Alexander Gray series of women saying incredibly
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: horrifying crap. They just constructed them and then then fed
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: it to men because men really don't like women, I
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: guess and h no, what men really like to see
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: content of women despising them.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: This is this is you know, like a man wakes.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Up in the morning, gets his cup of coffee, He's like, yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I could really begin a day with with reams of
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: TikTok videos in which my sex is disparaged and accused
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and shamed and guilted and I'm told that I'm not
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: good enough. That's how I need to start my morning.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Thank you Google algorithm for providing just that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Like, what are you talking about, lady?
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: And are you saying that the sexist and misogynist content
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: was women being sexist towards men Like this? This is
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: why you need to operationalize what you mean by sexism
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and misogyny, which we can do because we can go
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: into this rabbit hole that she's constructed. We can look
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: at the psychology article and the study that was originally
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: based on spoilers for this particular.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Piece of work.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: She then goes into how you know what, let's finish
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: it off. I can tell you and you or you
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: can see.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Things are better when they're shown and not told.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: So let's send us a super chow and all that. Yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to send us a message, we'll read them in a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: cluster maybe.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Before the show is over.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: Here's what no one stops to think about. Algorithms were
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: not created to inform or educate us. They weren't built
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: to help us find what we want. They were built
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: for engagement, and rage gets engagement. The Library of Economics
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: and Liberty ECANLIBS says content that makes people angry is
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: more likely to get engagement than any other content. When
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: you're angry, logic goes out the window. You're less likely
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: to stop and ask yourself if everyone is seeing this,
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: if this even represents reality, You see red, you react?
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is only a problem for bubble, is right,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like those smug.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, this is only a problem for men, guys.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: And yet we have this this study that shows that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you know, regular women, you know, uh, they have hostility
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: towards men, just like feminists. But you know this anger bubble,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: this hostility bubble only applies to men.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: The phrase was coined by Eli Pariser in his twenty
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: eleven book The Filter Bubble. What the Internet is hiding
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: from You? He says it's not just social media. The
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: book starts with an anecdote about asking two different friends
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: to do the exact same Google search and the results
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: were vastly different. The filter bubble men are in pushes
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: them towards misogyny, which explains a bunch of phones sitting
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: on journalist's desks displaying content that's more toxic by the
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: day because the profiles are young men. Nicholas Kara, an
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: associate professor in Digital media at the University of Queensland, said,
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: we have to think about the environment young men are
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: immersed in, because the problem is that platforms have made
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: that environment dark and ephemeral to anyone but young men,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: which means if you're not a young man, you don't
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: see the Internet the way they do makes it real
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: easy to blame them. It's horrified you think about it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: It's not the platform, lady.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I don't have to be a young man to go
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: on TikTok and do a search on where the men
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: are at and find a hole like I just it's
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: just poking, you know. Those are those videos where they
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: poke as cyst and all the frickin'.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Pasts come out.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You don't have to go very far. You don't have
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to go very far to find a gigantic puss full
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: of missonry and just poke it. I mean they're everywhere,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: basically all over on Twitter, you know, and it's just
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: like there, it's very diffien. It's like a mindful of
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: postballs full of mystery, a misery, misery and missingry on
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the internet.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: It's not that hard, lady, And you don't, you don't.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: You don't have to listen to like horrible anti feminists
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: like me. You can listen to just women talking on TikTok.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing I do is point it
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: out and say, hey, that's not very nice. Maybe you
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: should stop doing that because it's awfully cral. And of
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: course it's my problem, not the problem of the women
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: who are pushing this crap out the manifestels. The kiwis
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the female se yeah, like and and all of these
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: female dating strategy people, all the and the and the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: ogs of mis injury, which is the feminists and all
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: of the bullshit that they have spewed into the noahsphere about.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: The relationship between men which.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Has never been appropriately proven. Like I had a long
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: discussion with deep seek which is one of rocks. Yeah,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: a long discussion with deep seek, and I eventually.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Like it was really pushing back.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, but feminism patriarch. I'm like, okay, there is.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It has not been proven and it has never been
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: subject to the null hypothesis, because the null hypothesis is
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that men in power does not equal men's benefit. And
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: the way that you prove or disprove that is by looking,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: men are in.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Power, fine, who benefits? Men are women?
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: All right, and you just have to look at the
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: situation of men versus women in society. And then I
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: got it to do that. It was like, oh, oh yeah, yeah,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: you're right. It's the feminism does not pass the null hypothesis.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: In fact, feminism has never been framed in a way
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: that it could be tested. The null hypothesis could be tested,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: the genuine null hypothesis, which is not assuming that men
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: in power equals women oppressed, but proving it by looking
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: at the situation of men versus women when men are
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: in power and the situation for men is not great, right,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And that's manifestly true. All of the issues that we
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: talk about is men's issues. Advocates prove that, which is
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: why they hate us.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Why they it's because we are their counterproof.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: We are their peer review, and they have chased us
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: into the shadows because they are liars.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: That's all we are.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: We are their counterproof and their peer review, their true
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: peer review, not the ballless quizzlings and academia that let
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: them just fester unopposed and without any regard to academic
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: rigor or integrity. Let feminists just fester unopposed in their
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: free for all over defining the relationship between men and women.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Did that?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: No, we are their peer review and they can't stand
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: the sight of us, so they write articles like this,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: pretending we are something we are not.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, finish it off.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I just wanted to say, like, you know, in
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the same way that she couldn't define what constitutes sex
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: system misogynistic content, how can she also define what constitute
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: men hating content? Like what if she sees man hating
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: content but doesn't think it is man hating content? That
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: might explain her saying well, I don't see it, you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like maybe she thinks it's okay,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Like maybe it's not a big deal.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, she probably doesn't.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, yeah, being the content, of course, but
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: the platform's benefit, says Too Doormy Too, Senior lecturer in
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: Digital Media at the University of Sydney. The algorithm's goal,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: he says, is to keep you engaged as long as possible.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Why so it can show you ads and make money.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: But when you keep seeing the same thing over and
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: over everywhere you go, it inevitably affects people's perception of reality.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: He said.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Reality is what saved him. His brother started dating a girl,
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: his brother who was broke and battle and he watched
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: his So.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an anecdote.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Her brother had a girlfriend who supported him through all
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: these things, and then they She talks about some study
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: that's about men who were reformed from the manosphere, like
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: thirty men, which I press sex to doubt, But I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: don't know if we need to go into that. I
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: think we can move on to the article.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is kind of like just yeah, she uses
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: that anecdote to like drive home the point do you
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: want to do the psych Chology Today video article?
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: The point that I don't know.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: She thinks that she's saving men from the mamosphere.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Basically, I'm trying to save.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Feminists are saving you, guys from us.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Don't you feel grateful?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Guys, got up, do as you're told, Sit quietly and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: stop complaining. Yep, it'll all be over soon. Yep.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: They're they're saving you from the dread misogyny of people
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: like me. Don't listen to me because yeah, that then
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: you might find out that feminism is a fraud. Okay,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: let's let's do the SI.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: On article topic compassionate feminism. Key points and feminism is
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: often misrepresented as an anti men ideology. Misogynistic men use
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: the miss Andrew trope as just caused for threats and
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: abuse towards feminists women.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Why is it when feminists like criticize something, they always
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: call it a trope, like it's something out of like
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: literature or film.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: It's a trope.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, because they simultaneously I think they
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: understand how important storytelling is and they're also revealing that
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: what they've done is a story. They've constructed, a story
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: about reality that does not hold water. Okay, So I
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: mean it's like it's like they're telling on themselves at
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the same time as being thinking that they're being clever
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: and then recognizing the truth that stories really like we
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: we think in stories, so they're they're vastly important to us.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: And if you can control people's story making, you control them.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: So let's yeah, all right, let's keep going.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: And research shows that feminists do not hold more hostility toward.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: Men than non feminists or other men.
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: And for women's safety, it is important to resist and
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: dispel misperception of feminism as anti men. Feminists hold a
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: strong belief that patriarchy harms everyone, including men, and that
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: liberation will be had by all when we dismantle patriarchy
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: and the sexist depression, it props up. Despite that, feminists
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: remain seen by some as little by.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: The way as andrists.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So dismantling patriarchy means submitting to feminism. But also, if
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: you do anything feminists order you to do anything and
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: it has a negative consequence, they don't like, that's patriarchy
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: and you're to blame for it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So it's submitting to feminism.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: But also anything that feminism does that feminism doesn't want
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: to take responsibility for, that's patriarchy.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: I'll get more into that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I'll give you guys, an example of that.
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: But let's get more into this article.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, let's play some more of.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: This mis andrists who serve only to create division and
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: gender wars. Contemporary US based polls indicate that almost fifty
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: percent of men and women view feminism as an ideology
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: that unfairly penalizes men for women's issues.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Stop give us a hand.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Hopefully that'll be one hundred percent before I die.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: One other thing I want to point out again, they
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: are using the word missionry. They're using the word it's
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: it's into it's in the mainstream now. When I started
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: doing if you type the word missionry into a like
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: a Google or a document, it would come up as
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: a misspelled word. Now it's being used so like it
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. We're winning, Like I'm sorry, but we're winning
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: because we have the truth on our side. And the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: fact that she says the word missionry and then defines
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it tells you, yes, there's no getting like. It's being
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: talked about. It's being taken seriously, whether they like it
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: or not. So all right, let's do. Let's do some more.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: Grasso twenty twenty, Hummel at All twenty sixteen. Even among feminists,
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: there is some divide about whether massandry exists, and if
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: it does, whether it is useful. Some feminists believe that
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: outrage and anger toward men are useful for keeping the
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: boot to the throat of oppress systems that impede women's liberation.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: With this particular, this really disgusts me because I know
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: what feminists have done to male victims of domestic violence
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: and sexual assault.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: This is this is my thing, that's that's always been.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: On the neck to the way boot on the throat
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: of oppressive systems that impede women's liberation.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, and you want to know what those oppressive systems
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: are male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. A
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: lot of people woke up to this with the Johnny
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Depp trial and the fact that feminists continue to cape
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: for Amberherd even though it became manifestly obvious that she
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: wasn't just an abuser, she was a false accuser too.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: That feminists want to keep the boot on the thing
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: that most challenges their narrative of female victimhood, and that
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: is male victims of domestic assault and sexual violence, and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: all victims of false accusation, the homeless, suicide, mental health,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: all of that other stuff.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: But in particular, they want to keep the boot. They
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: want to.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Grind their heels into the faces of any man who
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: has the audacity of proclaiming himself to be a victim
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: a domestic violence, victim of women, or a victim.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Of women's sexual aggression.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: That's what they mean when they say that, because those
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: that group, that group of men is the most threatening
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: to their narrative, their command and control narrative that they
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: use to censor and silence everyone else. And that's the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: group of men that they have gone after like harpies
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: after a fucking fond, just trying to tear them the
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: pieces and throw them into the garbage. And I'm going
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: to go over that as we talk about it. Yeah, sorry,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: this really fires me up because it's.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, it's really it's really disgusting, Okay.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Segastini and van zammern On Morgan twenty fourteen. Other feminists
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: of those mechanisms as antithetical to the feminist movement, citing
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: the need to invite and include allies in the work
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: of fighting in justice toward women Hooks two thousand. The
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: public perception of feminists as misandrists has real world consequences. Indeed,
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: a rising cohort of men who identify as men's rights
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: activists or MRAs, view themselves as an oppressed class, and
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: name feminists as their oppressors.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Bullshit, Nobody says, do we say that.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: No, no, we don't.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Don't we That's the thing that they always do. Feminists
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: will say MRAs are under the impression that they're the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: oppressed class. No, no, no, simply saying, look, here are
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: some legislative things that we don't like. Here are some
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: laws that are unfair. Here are some issues, you know,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: with domestic violence, with rape, sexual assault, predation of boys,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: all of these things, circumcision. These are just issues. It's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: not a claim of oppression. I'm not playing the power
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: struggle game where like you know, there's systems that have
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: to be dismantled. I'm not doing that. I just want
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to get these these rights addressed, because well, first of all,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't work like that's not really a strong narrative.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Nobody would really see men in that way. And that's
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: why they say it. By the way they're saying it
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: because they want it to sound so absurd that people
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: who read that would laugh and say men aren't oppressed.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: But we're not claiming that, you know, we're just claiming that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: And we're not claiming women are oppressed either, because that's
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: bullshit too.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: It's just that, you know, it's a mixed bag. As
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: we say.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: They say this because it's projection.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's projection.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Like I don't.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Claim that men are oppressed.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: But what happens is I'll lay it all out and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: feminists will look at that and say, well.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Now you're saying men are oppressed.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: No, your subconscious is telling you, based on your own logic,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: that men are oppressed because you frame it in terms
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: of oppression of men versus women, and when you look
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: at these issues, you're like, oh my god, I'm having issue,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I'm having issue in security, or my issues are really small. Well,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: based on my own logic, I'd have to recognize men
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: as the oppressed ones because my issues are so tiny.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: My feminist issues are so small Like this, that's what
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: they're doing. They're just projecting. But no, I think the
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: whole are the whole narrative around oppression does not belong
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: in the discussion of the relationship between men and women.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: I understand now why some men are like men are oppressed.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I get it, But I don't think the narrative is
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: ultimately belongs in that discussion, right So, and I don't
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: know a lot of men's issues advocates who would say that,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: who would want to frame it in that way.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: They just want the issues addressed.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: But of course the most threatening thing for the feminist
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: narrative is recognition of male victims of domestic violence and
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: sexual assault, among all of the other social ills that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: men face. That is the most threatening group of men
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: in the feminist lie lexicon. So those issues are it's
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: really hard to get them addressed when you have the
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: death star constantly moving into focus to annihilate. Any time
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you try to address those issues, the femo death star
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: comes into play and starts to fire up its laser.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's yep, okay, let's keep.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Going, Priye and Valiente, twenty thirteen. Their contempt toward feminist
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: women has escalated, with these men believing that both digital
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: and physical intimidation or abuse of feminists is the natural
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: consequence of their man hating behavior beil at All twenty nineteen,
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Diaz and Valgi twenty nineteen. But are their perceptions of
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: feminists as misandrists valid or simply a fabricast from their
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: own minds.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: What anything, just yes, it is valid, and I'm going
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to explain like this Psychology Today article is a self
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: as an example of why feminists are not trustworthy, why
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: they cape for their most their own miss injury.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: And why they are why there should be pushed back
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: against what they say. All right, let's let's keep going.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Contemporary research on miss andry and feminism. A recent study Hopkins, Doyle,
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Peterson Leech at All twenty twenty four revealed that miss
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: andrey as a feminist trait appears to be a myth.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: Their research, spanning at all six studies and including almost
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: ten thousand participants, provided several key insights about feminism and
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: miss andry. First, they found that feminist women on the
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: whole do not hold any harsher opinions of men than
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: non feminist women or other men.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: We have investigated ourselves and discovered that we have done
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong. Here's a study that we did on ourselves. Oh,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: looks is not a thing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Go home now, everything's fine.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Do they go into like the methodology of this study?
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I had, I had to dig, but I did.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I did, and we will go through it if you
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: we can go through it right now, we can pause
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: this article, which I don't think gets any better because
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: this is what she has presented here. Actually, you know,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: we could go we could finish off this section. All right,
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: let's let's finish off that section and then we'll go
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: into the analysis.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Second, feminists actually tend to hold a positive regard for men,
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: but unsurprisingly, that regard is mediated by how safe or
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: threatening they perceive a man to be. Third, they found
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: that feminists generally perceive men as fundamentally similar to women,
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: and that the differences we see in our genders have
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: more to do with the ills of patriarchy than core
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: differences in our natures. Their issue, then, is with patriarchy
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: and the sexist oppression it upholds, rather than with men.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Okay, but but here's the thing. That's the stigmata that
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: all men bear hold unless they submit to feminism.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Like that's yeah, this isn't about smashing patriarchy. This is
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: about replacing patriarchy with feminism.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: So essentially that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: That patriarchy existed as this.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: And you're, well, you're basing it on your version of
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: what patriarchy looks like. So that's why feminist.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Patriarchy for feminists is everywhere where feminist doesn't have doesn't
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: have exclusive power.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: It's not even patriarchal, it's just where feminists don't have
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: exclusive power. Patriarchy as they defined, doesn't exist anywhere.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: No, why will take that to the bank? All Right?
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm sure I crushed you there, Brian, But.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: No, that's okay.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: And perhaps most importantly, when it comes to men's perceptions
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: of mis injury, feminist women in the study were not
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: significantly more hostile towards men than non feminist women, but
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: were significantly less benevolent toward them. This indicakay, though feminist
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: women do not hold hostile.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, read that again. Finally, and perhaps most importantly, when
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it comes to men's perceptions of mis injury, feminist women
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: in the study were not significantly more hostile towards men
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: than non feminist women, but were significantly less benevolent towards them.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: So what does that mean?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Well? What does what does hostility mean? And what does
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: a lack of benevolence mean?
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, well let us let me look at I did
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: send you a document, but it's a text document.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: It looks like crap.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Let's look at the ambivalence towards men inventory, which is
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: what this is based on respondence rate agreement on a
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: scale one strongly disagree to six to strongly agree. Hostility
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: towards men example, negative.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Attitude, dot com thing, No, it's.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: In the discussion, it's in the text link I sent you,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: but it's really like, this is just something I was
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: gonna read, so I don't know. Yeah, I'll just read
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: it like so. The hostility towards men's scale one Men
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: usually act like they're superior to women.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Most men pay lip service to equality but can't handle
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: having a woman as an equal. Three men will always
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: fight to keep greater control over society than women.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Four.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Even men who claim to be sensitive to women's rights
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: want a woman to serve them. Five Men are less
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: moral than women, okay, and then the benevolence towards men
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: is one. No matter how alplish he is, a man
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: is not truly complete until he has the love of
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: a woman. That's benevolence.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Two. Men are more willing to.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Put themselves in danger to protect others.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Three.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: A good woman ought to stand by her men, even
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: if he has done something wrong. Four, men are more
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: capable of leadership than women. Five, A man's love.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Is worth fighting for.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Benevolence is believing that men are worth fighting for their love.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, so here's the issue.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: And this is even like, she has this headline, and
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: what's the headline. Okay, the headline is debunking the myth of.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: The man hating feminists.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: And what she's found is she's using a study that
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: finds that while women have similarly hostile attitudes towards men
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: as feminists do, they have more benevolent attitudes. And what
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: that functionally means is I'm going to use an example. Now,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: an average woman who's not feminist might think something like, well,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: men have less empathy than women. Right, men have less
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: empathy than women. It's wrong, but we'll just accept it
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: for the sake of argument.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: But the average woman will pair that with.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Things like, but that means they're more likely to judge
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: people based on merit, which is a positive. Right, So
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: there's a negative. Man have less empathy, but there's a positive.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're more competitive, Maybe they're more likely to judge
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: based on merit. Maybe they're more driven to do things,
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: you know, like there's positives. It's a negative and a positive.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: And you know that's actually pretty healthy if you think
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: about it, because there are negatives and positives to any
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: particular mentality, and men and women generally have different, different
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: strengths and different weaknesses. So a normal woman, a man
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: is less likely to have empathy than a woman.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Not particularly true, but we'll go with it.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: But that means he's more likely to engage in competitive
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: activities and judge things based on merit. Right, So you
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: got these two little positive and negative. Now with a feminist,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: what this study has proven is that a feminist will
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: say to herself, men have less empathy because of patriarchy.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: But you know it might as well be a biological
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: characteristic because men never escape it by themselves without being
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: submitted to a feminist.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Men have less empathy? Are they more?
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Do they judge more on meritocracy?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Do they have positive compent?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: No? No, no, they just are less empathetic. And this
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: is this study that found that result. She's presenting this
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: and saying that this proves that feminists are less sexist
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: towards men.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: That's what she's going by.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, she is pissing on her leg and telling us
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: it's raining. Just go down to look at her, Look
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: at her. Look, just just open her image, you know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: just just show.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Us all a reward.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I want, let's just look at this one.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: The smugness, Yes, the sheer unvitigated.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Of delight.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: She just like you know duper's.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Delight in the dictionary PhD right there. That that that
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: she is literally the illustration of that of duper's delight.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And how can you blame her because she has just
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: written the biggest pile of steaming bullshit and she's just
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: put it on a plate and served it up as
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: whole cuisine. And anybody who complains she calls a misogynist.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Do you think women can't cook coke cuisine? No? I
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: think this is a steaming pile of bullshit.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: How is this article in a psychology I mean, like,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I know, psychology today is just pure quackery at this point,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: but yes, it's pure er to do with psychology.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Well like the myth of the man hitting feminists.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: What has nothing to do with psychology.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like you're running cover for cluster b people
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with psychology. And also, who
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: the hell is in charge of the integrity the academic
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: or journalistic integrity of psychology today. How did this get published?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: How did anybody look at this and say, oh, yeah,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. This study actually proves that feminists have
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: the same amount of hostile sexism, but they don't have
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: the same amount of benevolent sexism. That means that feminist
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: sexism towards men is disproven. Her for dr who the
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: hell okayed that her basically lying in the headline and
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: then presenting evidence in the freaking body, which is astounding.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It's like an, I don't know if this is chetspa
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: or stupidity.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: She's like, nobody will ever question hutzpa?
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Is it stupidity to put into your article evidence that
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: your premise is false? Like?
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Are we just supposed to? And let's go into her.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Excuse making for why she gets feminists off the hook
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: for having less benevolent sexism to pair with their hostile
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: sexism than a average woman.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's just do the next paragraph. Yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: Plus, they are less likely than non feminist women to
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: coddle men, to give them a pass for their intentional harms,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: or to practice meekness and humility when correcting them. This
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: suggests that men, particularly those who spend time in MRA circles,
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: perceive feminist women's refusal to capitulate to men as a
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: sign of hostility and misinjury, which it should be again accurate.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: What is benevolence towards men? No matter how accomplished he is,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: a man is not truly complete until he has the
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: love of a woman. Men are more willing to put
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: themselves in danger to protect others. A good woman want
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: to stand by her men even if he's done something wrong. Okay,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: maybe that could be seen as a bit of a
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: quizzling thing to do. Men are more capable of leadership
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: than women. A man's love is worth fighting for. Okay,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: So this is benevolence towards men. Sort of locks them
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: in a particular role, though denying that. But it is
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the positives of the previous negatives right In a lot
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: of cases, it's more explicit. So it's the idea that
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: there are negatives to being a man and their positives.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Men feminists fully buy into the negatives, but not the positives.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Normal women's will also buy into the positives. That's what
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: they're finding now. I can find this a lot more
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: in a lot like if I was able to structure
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: these studies and actually give feedback on them, I think
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: we'd get a lot further into what's actually happening. Because again,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: this list is based on feminism itself, so it's a
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: flawed instrument to begin with. But I honestly would say
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: that things hostility.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Towards men would be more like, do.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault deserve recognition
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: on par with women on female victims? Or I've actually
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: found in my travels in the research that women attitudes
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: towards male rape victims has gotten worse for the last
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: fifty years. So women today are more likely to believe
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: that men deserve it, that men should be grateful for
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: women's sexual attention, and that men can't be raped than
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: they did in the eighties. So for the last fifty years,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: attitudes among women towards male rape victims have gotten worse.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Why don't we get that in the women's hostility towards men?
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: What are your attitudes towards male rape victims?
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Right, ladies?
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: And it's actually really interesting because that attitude change has
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: coincided with the millennial shift, which is the increase in
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: sexual aggression. Women have been expressing towards men, or engage
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: or the sexual aggression that women have been engaging in
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: with male victims, basically so the use of weapons toit
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: to force sex, the use of physically coercive tactics like drugging,
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: or threats you don't have sex with.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Me, I'm going to say that you raped me. That
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. That's increased something like fourfold.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Right, this generation of women not only buys into thought
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: has the worst attitude towards male rape victims of any
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: generation currently alive. They also engage in raping men more
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: than any generation currently alive, more.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Than men do women. It's astounding, isn't it. Why don't
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: we get that.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Into the hostility towards men inventory? Doesn't that seem more
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: like hostility towards men than I don't know? Even men
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: who claim to be sensitive to men's rights want a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: woman to serve them like that seems more hostility towards
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: feminist men. Yeah, let's get the let's capture the real
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: hostility towards men, like men are only men's only purpose
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: is to pay the bills? Right, men should carry the
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: carry the a woman's luggage, but a woman shouldn't have
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: to make him a sandwich and thanks that kind of thing.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Let's capture the real hostility as opposed to this feminist framing,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: which again it's flawed.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: From the start.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: Then you look at like the actual study, I'm gonna write,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna quote directly from the
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: study feminist ideology and attitudes towards men, inconsistent with expectations.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Correlational analyzes of feminist ideology showed that it was not
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: significantly related to explicit attitudes towards men, nor hostility towards men.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Feminist ideology was negatively associated with benevolence to men. So yeah,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: feminists are about as quote on the feminist scale of
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: being hostile towards men. Feminists are about as hostile as
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: any other woman. They just are less benevolent.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: And that result was.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: Framed by this Amber Wardell, PhD and bullshit as evidence
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: of the bunking the feminist the ante male feminist. And
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: this is this is why, this is why they don't
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: want you guys listening to us, because we say the
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: things they most want people don't want people to hear,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: which is their behavior towards some of the most vulnerable
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: people in our society, which are victims of domestic violence
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: and sexual assault.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, let's right, let's keep going, keep going.
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: Just tell us about the future.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: What keep going on? That's all I said.
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: A feminism mis andrey is a myth. Although it is
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: true that there are some feminists who identify as misandrests,
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: those women are the exception, not the norm. To those
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: men who apply not all men arguments to every discussion
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: about men's harms toward women, this should be a relatively
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: easy concept for them to grasp.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: There is some.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: Make those arguments.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: You shut them down, and and then there's like things
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: like hashtag yes all men, but you don't have like
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: any desire to like debunk that. And also again, and
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: we're back at that square one of like, well, how
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: do you define miss injury? Because if you're saying, well,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: we're not destroying men, we're just destroying patriarchy, Well what's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: the collateral damage of what that is? How do you
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: define what you're destroying when you call it patriarchy? Mysery
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: is a myth, that's true. Yeah, they just found out.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: It's over, guys, pack it up, let's go home. Miss
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: injuries it doesn't exist Psychology Today, Professor person said, so,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: so I guess I'm wasting my time. I've been doing
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: this for twelve years, just wasting my time.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: Twenty three No.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're done, all said, I'm sorry, we're we were
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: wrong all along. If it wasn't for this random person
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: on Psychology Today, fucking amber wardel PhD, I wouldn't have
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: known that I've been wasting my time with all this.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: So I guess I guess we're done after this. This
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: is our last show officially.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: I'm kidding.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're kidding.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Don't don't don't, don't, don't leave.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, let's keep going, all right.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: Seeing that women are more likely to identify as misandrists
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: when they have first gained consciousness of their own oppression
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: Downing and Roush nineteen eighty five. Over time, as they
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: become more aware of the systems that underpins sexism and
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: sexist oppression in a patriarchal small portion.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Of overtime has to become more aware of the systems
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: that underpin sexism and sexist oppression in a patriarchal culture,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: they disengage from the hatred of individual men and begin
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: engaging with systems instead. What systems, Well, system, Yeah, the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: charythm of patriarchy.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Well, for example, the system patriarchy stigmatizes male victims of
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: domestic violence and sexual assault. That's the patriarchy.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: It's whatever.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: They're not going after that. They're not going after that.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they're not. They're just going to blame
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: it on patriarchy so they don't have to. So they
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: can can insist that male victims continue to fight for
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: feminism because one day patriarchy will be vanquished. As a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: result of that, you'll finally get heard.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: So fight against you'll fight, go join feminist.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Fight against patriarchy, man, because once patriarchy is vanquished, you'll
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: finally get your issues dealt with. Of course, it's been
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: seven and it's only gotten worse for male victims of
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: domestic violence as a result of feminist advocacy, which I
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: feel like we could discuss now, okay, or actually, you
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: know what, what I'm going to bring up is, let's
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: look at the Springer link.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Worth the risk that the one yes, okay, should I
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: just go where it opened up a hypothesis?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: Should I go to the top of this article?
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: See I can't actually see it because it's just zoomed
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: in on you. For some reason, I can't get I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: can't get video Ninja off of a giant. I don't
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: know why that is.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: That's really how it is. Let me see, can I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: do something?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I could just leave and come back.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe, No, you can look at it is it is
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: it a bug?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: It's not a bug.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, uh, I don't know. There's a bunch of stuff. Goddamn,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: you know what.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I'm just going to I'm just gonna
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: what the heck is you know what. I'm just gonna
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: come back, all right, I'll come.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: Back, all right, come back, just come back.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Let's see what you guys are saying in the chat
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: Elseon'll be back in a second. Seems to be something
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: wrong here, Darth sky Rios. They want to be the
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: top where this we're the slave to serve until we
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: have no value and then get discarded. I mean, I
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know. Like the more I look into it,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: I think that the goal of feminism is just to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: unravel everything and if there's no there's no real end point.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: Hold on a second, als and don't say anything because
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: I gotta like, put you back in and nobody can
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: hear you if you're talking. So just give me a
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: second to plug you back in. Okay, let me see
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: if that worked. Didn't that work?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah? There you go? All right, all right, now can
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: you see it? Yeah?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: I can see it.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Now, get the super chats in guys, feed the badgery
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: dot com slash just the tip. You guys have been
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: quiet a little disconcerting. Is this a topic you guys
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: aren't interested in?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: Well, there is a lot there's a lot of people
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: watching the vertical chat. There's a lot of new people.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: We we had about three hundred people at one point
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: on the vertical, but still still pretty good over one
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: hundred all combined. So got to get though. Okay, I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think the endpoint is actually matriarchy.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: I think that it's it's meant to just destroy everything.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Like when you talk to these people, they always say
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: that we just burn everything down and then something new
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: will rise from the ashes.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: So there's kind of.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: Like this weoy thing or it just like becomes communism,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: like I mean, that's another place it just goes there. Well,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: we know crapitalist structures are basically, patriarchal structures is like
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: the other thing that they that they want, And yeah,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I mean that's usually how it goes. But anyway, this is.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: Grass at all. Two thousand.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: To summarize it, it finds that all people, but feminists
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: in particular, choose to harm men to benefit women. I
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: want that to sink in so we can have this
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: discussion about whether or not feminists express hostile sexism towards
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: men and how much benevolent sexism they express towards men
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: as defined by feminists. But here's where the rubber hits
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: the road. This study looked at instrumental harm. So what
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: that means is are you willing to harm men in
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: order to gain a benefit for women? So are you
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: willing to, for example, send a generation of young men
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: into Afghanistan to create women's or to supposedly support women's
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: rights that the instant when they leave, the women they're
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: just going to be.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Like, we're going to we're not going to sacrifice for
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: those rights. We'll just put on the burkas.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Right, A generation of young men going into there to
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: sacrifice for women's rights that the women themselves would never
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: sacrifice that much for. But that makes sense, because you're
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: supposedly helping women, so sacrificing men to build a better
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: situation for women. Feminists are behind that compared to everyone else.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: And in fact, the gender difference, like the willingness to
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: sacrifice men to benefit women, the gender difference, so women
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: are more likely to be willing to do.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: That than men to a degree.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: The gender difference reduces if you remove feminists from the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: female pool. So it's feminists in many ways that are
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: skewing women towards wanting to sacrifice men to benefit women.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: So we can talk about women or feminists implicit or
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: explicit sexism towards, but this is where it really hits
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: the road. Feminists are willing to sacrifice men.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: If they feel like it will benefit women.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: I want you guys to just think about that, right,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: and I want to talk about a couple exams of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: feminists doing just that. Let's look at domestic violence, male
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: victims of domestic violence. There used to be a gender
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: neutral Family Violence Act in the States that covered men
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: and women, I mean was sort of a patchwork on
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: the local level, but it was not explicitly gendered. Feminists
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: made that replace that with a explicitly Gendered Violence Against
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Women Act, And then they demanded because they can do this, guys,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: the feminists that do not represent the status quo, they
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: can do things like demand that the police institute particular policies,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: like the mandatory arrest policy. I'm doing the birdhand. I'm sorry, guys,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: I'll try to not do the Birdenand how about the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: squid hands? Are the squid hands? Good squid hands? Italian hands?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Okay a mama minds in the chat, guys, tell me
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: what kind of hands you want me to do when
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: I'm making these points. So they went to the police.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: They demanded mandatory arrest laws. What does that mean? That
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: means that whenever the police go to a domestic someone
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: has to be led away in cuffs. And what happened
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: as a result of the mandatory arrest laws that feminists
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: demanded that that police do is that the number of
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: women being arrested for domestic assaults shot up, like increased
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: in some cases like four hundred percent. Right, It's shot up.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: So they became a larger and larger proportion of those
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: being arrested.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: And the feminists are whoaha, whoa wah.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: Of course we could have stopped, right, there and said, hey,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: this isn't panning out the way the feminists said it would.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: We aren't actually ending up with more men arrested for
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: domestic assault. I mean, we're a few more, but we're
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: ending out with massively more women. So maybe the feminist
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: belief systems around domestic violence are incorrect since they're not
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: playing out in reality. What they predicted is not playing
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: out in reality. You know that whole a theory has
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: to have predictive, has to be able to predict things
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: to be become a theory.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: You know that's not holding true.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe we should look at the anti feminists, not the
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: anti feminists, the non feminist research into domestic violence that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: was showing that there was a high number of female perpetrators.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: In fact, it was most likely parody between men and women.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: So this was a confirmation of the non feminist analysis
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: of domestic violence. What do you think happened with a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: feminists like, wow, you know this is direct proof that
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: what we say isn't correct when it comes to domestic violence.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: As legitimate researchers, when we see counter evidence for our
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: theories or our conjecture, we need to go back. No, absolutely,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: not no, at no, point did sense or reason come
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: into the picture. Instead, the feminists went back to the police,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: cracked their whip, which I don't know how when did
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: we decide that the feminist was going to have control
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: over the police. When did the general population vote on that?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I don't recall that. But they cracked their whip and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: they put in primary aggressor policies. What are the primary
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: aggressor policies? Well, we could go through them, but they
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: basically mean arrest the man. So now, as a result
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: of feminist influence on the police and the feminist refusal
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: to at all question their ideology and their ideology's conclusion. Now,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: right now, men are more likely abused men are more
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: likely to be arrested than their female abusers. That's the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: situation for abused men.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Now it's it's worse than a coin toss for an.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: Abused man if he.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Calls the police, worse than a coin toss, whether or
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: not he's going to see justice or or he's going
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: to be the one being let off in cuffs, thank
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: you thanks to feminist advocacy. That's the situation for abused men.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: And it gets worse because not only did feminism create this,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: situation that is directly harming abused men, leading to their discrimination,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: their crass, gross, grotesque discrimination in law and policy in
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: regards to domestic violence.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: Not only did feminists do.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: All that, they compounded it by justifying it.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: And what did they do to justify it?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: They created a whole bunch of scholarship that takes the
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: discrimination that they built into the system and uses it
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: to prove that men are deserve.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: The abuse that they experience.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: So they go to the female abusers and they say, hey,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: what was why'd you do it? And of course the
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: female abuser says, because he deserved it. And then, because
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: these these abused men now have a worse than a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: coin toss chance of having their abuse in the record
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: as they are the abused ones versus them being the abusers,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: the feminists go back to those records and say.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: Hey, look at that. Look at that.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: That abused man was actually an abuser because he was
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: arrested because of the policies we put in place to
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: arrest abused man. This clusterfuck, this massive clusterfuck that's been
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: going on for fifty years of feminists putting into policy
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: that discriminates against male victims of domestic violence vertly discriminates it.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: The clusterfuck, this entire Clusterfuck.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Do you know what feminism does when anyone speaks out
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: against it?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: Who do they blame? Triarchy?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Patriarchy is responsible for feminists working for the last fifty
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: sixty years to discriminate against male victims of domestic domestic
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: violence because uh, apparently patriarchy doesn't want to recognize male victims.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: Can you forgive them?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: This is this is like that you look at this
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: and you're like, this.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Is proof that Satan exists, Satan walks among us, right
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: this because this is so fucking evil. And then you
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: have miss Amber Wardell here with her duping to like
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: telling us all that feminists don't hate men. Boy, if
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: you don't hate men, you're sure you're not doing a
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: very good job of proving it through your actions.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe maybe you don't hate men.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe you're just profoundly indifferent to the cost of your
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: advocacy on men.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Like, how do we go back?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: How do we how do we just be like, oh,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: on both sides with this shit? How do we even
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: forgive this? And this is just one example one issue.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: We could go through this with sexual assault and marry
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: costs and how she influenced the government boy to erase
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: male victims of rape from the statistics.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: We could go through.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: This with up and also in the definition of rape
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: only when you know men are the perpetrators. And then told,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: you know, the governments that according to this data, there
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: should be way more convictions because there's way more male
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: rapists out there, so you got to get convictions. And
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: so they were just getting convictions or the colleges were
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: doing it, or the military is doing it, and so
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: like they they create this lie about what happens, and
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: then they say, well, the reality doesn't match my lie,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: so you guys got to change the reality to match.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they get it done.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: And then they call like, there's no way that there
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: is a patriarchy that allows feminists to do crap like this.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: But but that's but it does make more sense that feminists
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: are exploiting the general desire for people generally to have
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: men sacrifice to benefit women, because so in.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: General people are okay with that.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: It seems more likely that feminists are exploiting that than
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: they're victims of it. Like so like and that's that,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Like I said, that's just one that's one example, and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: it's so egregious, it's.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: So horrifyingly wrong.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: And of course all of these feminists, like Amber Wardell,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: they're just running along the edge of this gigantic lie
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: that they've constructed about reality. And in order to construct
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: the lie, they've thrown male victims of domestic violence under
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: the bus. They've thrown male victims of sexual assault under
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: the bus. They've thrown male victims of genital cutting under
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: the bus. They've thrown male victims of parental alienation under
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: the bus, of the family courts under the bus, of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: false accusations under the bus. They have thrown male victims
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: under the bus, over and over and over and over again.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Now I this The previous article.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Talked about how men are feeling misogynists because all women
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: like rich, hot men. Yeah, I don't think that's what's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: making men misogynists.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think so, at least.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Not the ones who are talking, who are listening to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: us the share.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: I don't really think that men. I don't think that
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: men generally hate women anyways. They're frufitted with them, they're
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: hurt by them, you know, But I don't think they
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: hate them. Even the ones who claim to. They probably don't. Yeah,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: but because I think that you know, it's fair to
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: be and understandably angry about it, But I don't think
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: and I think that we know, you know, it's not
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: really good to become hateful.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: I'm freaking furious.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're not. You don't hate women. I mean,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: I know, I get close.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: It.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: Well, the fact is that.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: It really bugs me that not more women call this out, like,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: it really bugs me that bothers me law not more
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: women are fighting against this and saying, you know, feminism
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: doesn't speak for me as a woman. There is no
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: way that a group of people who can do that
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: speaks for me. And then you know what's really disturbing
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: about all this? Okay, this has been hard to take,
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: Like just just the sheer level of mendacity and neglect,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: the best neglect that feminists have shown male victims of
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: almost everything except patriarchy. But that's like that's being a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: victim of yourself, right, Okay, Yeah, the sheer level of
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: callous cruelty and indifference. You know, that's that I can
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: almost understand that because you know it's men, right, in
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: the context of feminists own theories, men are the devil,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: or they're the ones who oppressed women. So you know,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: no bad action, no bad tactics, only bad targets. Right,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: But then I realize they will sacrifice women for their
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: abstract concept of what benefits women, which they define. And
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: also they can't really define women. What a woman is,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: but apparently it's whatever gives feminism clout, money and power,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: whatever a woman needs to be in order to give
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: feminism the right to censor everyone else, control the narrative
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: and get the money. And they will throw women under
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: the bus, and I have seen evidence of that, and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: again going back to the eighties when psychologists were trying
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: to deal with sexual assault as a mental health issue
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: in order to reduce the rate, and feminist saying, but
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: that doesn't benefit feminism. Fewer female victims of rape doesn't
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: benefit feminism because the strategy, the strategy go about getting
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: that happening isn't within doesn't support feminist ideology, And wrap
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: your heads around that one. They don't care about anyone.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: They don't care about men, they don't care about women.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: They want to be perceived to care about women. They
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: don't want to actually care about women. They just care
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: about themselves. And the money they make, and the censorship
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: that they can engage, in the power that they can
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: have over others.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: Like I said, this is a livelihood.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Depends on keeping this alive. Like that's how they make
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: their money. So they don't care what the collateral damage
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: of these lies is because they want to keep their jobs,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: they want to keep their you know, hold on their power,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: keep their tenure, whatever it is.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: Except away suddenly, No, I guess it was the voidcat.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, all.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: Right, So super Child, is there anything stuck in the tubes.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: No, there's nothing. Everybody's been quiet today. Come on, guys.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, we have a lot of people chatting. By
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: the way. As an a sign, I want to tell you, guys, if.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: You're watching on YouTube and you're wondering what the little
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: crown is next to your name, there's I guess, like
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a MENI going on within the
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: YouTube chat. So the person who has the most comments
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: gets a number one, second most gets a number two,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: and third most gets a number three. It's it's just
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: a silly little thing that YouTube does. So right now,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Jim Bottle is number one on the I believe it's
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: on the horizontal, I think, and Eric Sheiedler is number
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: one on the vertical. So I don't know, just letting
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: you know. If you guys want to compete, you can.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: You can just put a lot of comments in. That's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: whoever's commenting to the most is by gets the crown.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: I want to say.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: It's like King queen Jack, So are you a king,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: a queen or a Jack. That's basically the where it
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: is now. And I got a super child from the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: other day. I should just read it out. This is
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: from HBr Talk number three sixty seven from Meredith g
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: for five, and she says, honey for the Badgers, could
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: it be that men who engage with masculinity influencers don't
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: have positive places to go and already feel of less worth?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't I mean, I don't know what the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: context is, but yeah, I think that's the thing. Like
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: we've been saying this forever, Like when people talk about
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: fresh and Fit or whatever podcast Andrew Tate and they're like,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, like they're they're scared or
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: complaining or whatever freaking out about it. All I gotta
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: say is like you created these people created them, and
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: men are going there because you have nothing to offer them,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: so you you don't, So yeah, I mean that's that's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: where they're gonna end up. And I'm I'm like, I'm frankly,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I don't really care. That's why I don't. I don't
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: go after those guys. I'm like, well, this is where
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: men are going because I'd rather send them to those
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: guys than you. Good lord, you see days a.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Week like this is the I'm sorry that no, men
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: should not try to get anything from these people. I
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: just described what feminists did to male victims of domestic assault,
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: and then they refuse to take any kind of responsibility.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: For it at all and blame patriarchy.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: So they actually blame the men that are victims of them,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: that their complicity in the system is why they're stigma,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: they're they're discriminated against as victims of domestic he do
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: you believe that feminists construct this vast system of discrimination
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: against male victims of domestic violence and then they turn
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: around and they blame paid the the system that those
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: victims are complicit within, that they're they're responsible. That just
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: the freaking audacity of that, the audacity and then to
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: turn around and say, well, we don't hate man.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: Oh well, if you don't hate men, you might like,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: there's what does it look like if you did? Okay,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: I did send another LUs in Men's I know he's
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: more on the left, but I figured, I mean, his
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: advocacy is legit. But let's let's take a look. This
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: is not about shaming.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I have it up.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, this isn't about sharing.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Just the other week, I was helping a major university
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: to set up one of these spaces to support men,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: to go alongside with women's su network. Upon its announcement,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: it was rounded upon, torn apart, and canceled due to
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: credible threats of violence, credible.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: From the feminists.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 4: From the feminists.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, well wait, you tried to like put
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: something together in the hopes that you'd have like an
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: egalitarian setup that was supposed to be the equal or
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: a counter or a balance fairness equality to like some
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: feminists group as well, and the feminists destroyed it. You
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: must be new here, like you didn't think that was
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. Look, Aaron Pittsy, I mean, like what else
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: is there to even say?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, exactly, sure if you want all right?
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: Uh you quote tweeted him and said, this threat is
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: full of testimonials about how anyone who treats men as
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: having problems rather than being the problem is attacked and
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: run out of town if they try to support men's
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: mental health.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: I've heard this story over and over.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Again, anything that has a hint of helping men outside
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: of their ideological framework that men are the problem.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I mean I think I think ten men's
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: threat is much more important to look at.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's go through it.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: I was there's there's another bit of feminist perfidity that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: like and and of course they'll say, oh, it's the
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: algorithm that's making people anti feminists.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: No, it's feminism.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's feminism existing.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, feminism.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: You your behavior is appalling, Like what made you think?
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: What? What? What? What?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: I'd love to have been the fly on the wall
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: of the feminist meeting that said, okay, so what's the
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: biggest impediment to us? Saw smashing the patriarchy, Male victims
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: of domestic violence. Those fuckers need.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: To go down. Like how did that make sense? At
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: what point in that horrific train of logic?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: Why didn't any of you stop and say, do you
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: know this makes this sound like cartoonishly evil super villains.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: But apparently I'm not allowed to it's.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, I think maybe maybe you've been blocked.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised that.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: I haven't really said anything to him, but yeah, I guess.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: So he might have blocked you because he blocked me.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Perhaps I don't know.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Just the original post is irrelevant. What matters is the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: testimonial of men and some women who have tried to
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: put together a place that recognizes male victims of anything
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: and have been rushed by the feminist hordes and had
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: what they're trying to create torn apart because male victims
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: of anything are anti feminist, because feminists cannot recognize them
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: and have their narrative about reality be true. Just like
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I'd put you through that whole long thing about male
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: victims of domestic violence when they found it, when the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: police were starting to arrest more and more women, they
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: didn't say, oh wait, feminists framework about reality is not right.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: No, it's reality that's wrong.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: It's because male victims of these issues are reality and
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: they That is the biggest counter argument to feminist reframing
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: of reality.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: So recognizing male victims of these issues is the greatest anti.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: Feminist act in the world. Yep, Like everything else.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: Can sort of be squeezed back into feminism except recognizing
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: male victims in particular of domestic violence and sexual assault.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: They just they're like, they're like water to the wicked witch.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Are meding.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: I'm meditating, which is why feminists have to silence them
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: and will only allow that they are discriminated against by patriarchy,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: which incidentally is feminist's biggest tool for silencing. Something like
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: if you want to get you want to erase male
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: victims of domestic assault off the map, you say it's
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: patriarchy that's doing that. Right, then the focus is no
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: longer on services for male victims, or hearing male victims,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: or giving them a voice or recognizing the problems they face.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: Now the focus is back on feminism and their grand
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: fight against patriarchy. And also, you know, male victims of
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: domestic assault, Yeah, they're complicit with their own silencing because
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: they take part in a system that privileges men over
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: women while simultaneously causing men to be disadvantaged in ways
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: that are entirely consistent with feminist framework. But we don't
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: talk about that. Okay, I've squirreled quite. I've done a
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: lot of squirreling today. I squirreled substantially.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: So what are we doing now?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: I can't see the original the original post that tin
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Men is sharing because Alex State Psych has me well,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: he's limited.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: Who can view his posts?
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: So are you look at a lot and read some
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: of the testimonials?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: So dad matters as the second a boys club has
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: created loud screaching it's a misogynous haven for rapists and
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: in cells, followed by an irrelevant tweet about crab fishing
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: and elephant hunting. Consume it. Ninety three says, okay, is
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: that what the men at date psych is referring to
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: actually complaining about it? Though tin Men says it's a
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: straw man presenting the argument as one exclusively about computer
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: games and Star Wars Star Trek toys.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: Disingenuous.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: We're talking about space, mental health, not cartoons, which are
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: essential and routinely greeted with hostility and threats.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Oh I can I think I can read it? Melissye, No,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: No, I think he uh? Oh no, I guess I'm
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: also banned by datesych. He finally did it.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: But what he said is that men need to create
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: spaces where women would never go, which is like crabfishing
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: and elephant hunting. And people were like, well, men create
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: spaces and no matter what, feminists go and shut them down.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: And okay, So Martin James Seeger I was asked to
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: speak at the launch of a support network space for
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: men at a UK university. But the whole project has
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: now been canceled and attacked, so my talk has been binned.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: And this is the story state of gender equality in
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: the UK universities. Only dangerous male spaces go untouched.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's the case.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, literally, anytime men are like, well, I like
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: to support group for male victims of sexual assault, the
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: feminists come out in their hoards, destroy them, and they
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: wonder why they keep driving men to men who will
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: not listen to feminists at all.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: And have the clout not to like. Let's face it,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: Andrew Tait has made a shit ton.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Of money as a pornographer and now he is relatively
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: untouchable because of that. That's not me lauding him, but
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: he can actually talk outside somewhat this this sphere. Although
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: in my mind, I think that he's also controlled opposition.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: I think he's chosen his platforms.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think there's a lot of artific
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he's not he doesn't really believe
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: what he believes, but I do think that speaking of algorithms,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: I do think that he and fresh and fit in
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: the Whatever Podcast. Basically, the men who are the easiest
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: to dismiss as the sort of like face of the
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Manisphere are the ones that get pushed to the forefront
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: the most, like Andrew kit Tait basically came out of
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: nowhere and we've been doing this for a decade or
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: more and like, you know, no no progress now. I
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: think that is because I mean, like not to the
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: same degree like the Whatever podcast just has like you know,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: they just talk. I mean I can't even watch those
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: because they're like just it's so brain draining. But they're massive,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: and I think part of it is that, you know,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: there there is like a desire to make those the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: face of what we do, because those people are the
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: easiest to dismiss.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: They can be like, oh, well, look at that's what
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: the manosphere talks about.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: And it's like, no, we're not those guys are too young,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: they're not married, they don't have kids or you know,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: Andertay has lots of kids, I guess, but he's not
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: talking about those issues, right, So, like what we're talking
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: about is stuff that really matters, I think, and I
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: think that it's like a higher quality of conversation. But
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: that's the reason why we stay small, because they don't
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: at just one of the reasons. And I think it's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: because ultimately we can't get out there. Like you know,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Timpole just did a big talk about like women and feminism,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: like a big debate with a bunch of different people,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, it was like it went nowhere. Like
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: I watched it and I was like, this is just
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: like no one knows what they're talking about and this
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: is huge, like you know, and we met Timpole a
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: couple of times, I mean I did, so you know,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: it's just like the conversation is there is control over
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: where the conversation goes. I don't think Tate is getting
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: paid off to be like, you know, controlled opposition, but
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: I do think that it's it's you can do it
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: for nothing if you just control how how much exposure
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: people get versus others, and I think that's what it is,
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: honestly well.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: And I think I mean a lot of that is
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: also I think what we talk about is a bit more.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: It's not as easy to digest, and I know also
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: it is much more like the main counter arguments to
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: feminism is the actual situation for men, because the null
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: hypothesis is that men in power does not equal men benefiting.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: And the way that you prove the null hypothesis is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: to look at the situation for women and look at
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: the situation for men. When men are in power, the
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: situation for men is worse. Holding men in power constant
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: because you can't assume what you seek to prove. Right,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: then men in power doesn't benefit women, or sorry, men
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: in power doesn't benefit men, which means the entire framework
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: of feminism is destroyed, right, and it is utterly destroyed.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: So the bravest men in all of this are.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: The men who speak out about how they have been
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: victims of these issues because they are actually speaking out
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: speaking truth to power. They are actually speaking truth to
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: power because feminism is power. There's no way they can
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: argue any different when they're able to walk into a
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: police department and make their demands met, like the police
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: who decided that the feminists could oversee the police for
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: the rest of us.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: When did that happen? Like, what was the justification of that?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: When did we get to vote on that? And yet
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: they do.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: They have incredible influence over the police, over politicians, over NGOs,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: constructing angios.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: You know, everywhere they go.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: They have incredible power and they throw it around like thugs,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: and they use it to silence vulnerable men. This woman
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: says that what debunking the myth of the man hating
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: feminists and this other woman's like men are going on
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: the internet and they're becoming anti feminists is basically what
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: she means by misondry or misogyny and sexism.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 4: They're questioning the narria.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: Is your moral duty to oppose feminism. It is everyone's
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: moral duty to oppose it. And you cannot let them
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: hide behind their bullshit about equality. They are using equality
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: like the ministries in nineteen eighty four, the ministry of
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: war used peace, the ministry of lies use the word truth,
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: the ministry of hate use the word love. Feminists use
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: the word equality to hide what they're actually doing. There
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: is no way that their behavior towards male victims of
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: domestic assault is justified, is justifiable, and if there was
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: any justice in the world, they would be hauled up
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: in front of a Nuremberg trial for this, or a
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Nuremberg like trial for this.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: There's no way it's justified.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: And the only way that it's going to end is
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: if we march through their rhetoric around misogyny, around equality,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: around whatever else they want to say. Oh, you're harming women.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Oh this is dangerous towards women. That that's the other
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: thing that they hide beyond. Remember the t app Well,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: this is this.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: It's going to cause women to be in danger. We
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: need to be able to docs men.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: You know, they always go and they always grab onto
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: those rhetoric. And we need to march through that minefield
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: and drag out this nest of.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: Perfidity and expose it to the world for what it is.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: And I mean that metaphorically with our words. We need
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: to bear witness. Maybe make a freaking book and write
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: it down in it, the new Face, the Horror of Jezebel,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: the Horror of Babylon, the new face of Jezebel, because
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: this is it, and this is.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: One hundred percent deserved.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: There is no excuse for what feminists have done to
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. No excuse
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: in the freaking world for it. They have no moral legitimacy,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: and like I said, in a just world, they'd be
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: facing a criminal court for these actions. Okay, I'm really
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: freaking this. This entire thing, like i'm ai, has been
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: an eye opener for me because I've been using it
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: to delve into this shit. So I don't just I
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: don't just like ask Grock questions. I use it to
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: like fetch things, and and yes, it has been improving
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: its accuracy, so yeah, and it's just been flipping nightmare
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: because it's like it's tearing open the soft underbelly of
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: this horror. All right, So we did get a super
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: chow as well, by.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: The way, Oh we did, I don't see. Oh yeah,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I did get one. Voidcat gives us ten dollars and
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: says me, now, ha ha.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: That hasn't made an appearance.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: And then Albatross gave us a super chat and for
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: five dollars and says it's literally the principal skinner meme.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: Am I that out of touch?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: No? It's society that's all wrong. Yes, that's exactly it,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: and so now society has to match my assumptions. It
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: was like, it's like the first when you like take
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: a science ethics class. Literally the first thing you learn,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: the first thing you learn in freaking high school, if
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: not grammar school. I think I learned it in grammar school.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Is you know, like the that that bias, you know,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: confirmation bias. It's like the first thing you learn, like
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: eleven year old kids know that, and feminism operates on
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: that literally as a principle.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: But anyway, so this.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: One got me fired up.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: Guys.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did squirrel quite a bit. I just I
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: don't know, like I'm not going to tolerate any more.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: Both sides arguments from this case.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: Like good, there is no there is no compromise.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: There is no compromise here. There's no compromise with this behavior.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: Can feel your anger.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: You should be angry at feminists, I know, like you
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: he did you, Like, just think about what I've I've
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: told you guys, any normal human being with a functioning
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: scent of ethics should be infuriated by what feminism did
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: to male victims of domestic violence and sexual assault, but
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: I didn't cover that and then infuriate about what feminism
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: is doing to anybody who so much is tries to
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: get these victims recognized and get them services. Anybody with
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: a working, freaking qualm should be qualming right now.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: Yep, yep, for sure. All right, Well do you want
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: to wrap it up?
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: I think that I've covered everything.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we did. We ranted, raved, qualmed, yelled,
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: and I touched way too much grass.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: Well you'll have to tell us if you have a
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: grass stream.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: Like basically climbed a mountain today.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm exhausted. We went to that was what I
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: sent you the picture that was mcafe nob Lindsay, Jojo
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: and me went up to mcafek op took the trail.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: It's on Appalachian Trail.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: What did you keep them on? Leash?
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah you have to?
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but we were fricking dying on the way back.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: It was so long.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is anyway it was, But we
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: did it, So I'll just take that. Paul Elm did that.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: He did that same trail like a few years ago.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: M Yeah, man, so sorry, he's not dead.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Is he?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: No, he's not dead. I'm saying that the hike killed him.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Occasionally he comes out of his sarcophagus to like post
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: some stuff on.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: X but we're going on on on pearl streams.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so okay, well let me let me
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: double check. I'll poke the bulls and see if there's
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: anything in the shoot. Once again, feed the Badger dot
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: com slash just oh, are you gonna put up the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: little badgers?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Let me yeah, hold on, I gotta okay.
• 1:40:40
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• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: although a lot of people in chat.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: I hope you didn't mind me getting this irate and
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: putting my foot down because I don't. There is no
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: compromise with his crap. And yes, you should be angry,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: you should be furious at feminists for what they've been doing. Okay,
• 1:41:04
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• 1:41:07
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• 1:41:52
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• 1:41:56
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• 1:42:01
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• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: I think everything what I got everything done?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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