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Got your PPL? What next? - The Flyer Show October 2 2025 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Flyer Show from me, Sean and Microfotrail.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_05: Hello and welcome to this week's Flyer Show.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_05: I'm Ed Hicks.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm Annabelle Cook and I'm Dave Cordwood.
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  SPEAKER_05: And this week uh we'll be talking to you about your next steps after your PPL.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um I hear there's a new girl at the MetOffice.
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  SPEAKER_04: Ceres have launched their own instrument rating uh program.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_02: And there are some new jobs going at the BMAA.
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  SPEAKER_05: As always, we couldn't do this without the support of Sky Demon.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh thank you, Sky Demon.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_05: And here is this week's top tip, and it's from Tim.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, I'm Tim from Sky Demon.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to this week's top tip.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_03: In the latest version of Sky Demon, for the first time we draw flight information service boundaries in our main map.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_03: In the Sky Demon chart styles, these appear as dotted green lines.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like this.
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  SPEAKER_03: Here we can see the boundary between two of the Langen information zones in Germany.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if we scroll across into Austria, we can see how the division of Vienna information looks and the appropriate frequencies to call.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_03: As always, you can see the appropriate flight information service to call for any position on the map by bringing up the What's Here menu with a long press.
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  SPEAKER_03: You'll see them listed near the bottom of the screen.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you can tap to see more information, which will also briefly highlight the border in the main map.
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  SPEAKER_03: For our full user manual, go to skydemon.ero and choose help and support.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's quite a useful little lecture.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and Sky Demon is always improving, never standing still.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of people say it's the product that just keeps going, doesn't it?
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: Every time you think they've done it all, they add something new.
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  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So shall we see, as well as Sky Gaiman, what the weather has in store for us this weekend?
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's check it out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's go to Simon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi again, everyone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hope that you are well this evening, getting ready for the weekend.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: And it's a weekend, I think, that you might want to spend getting some brownie points or perhaps even that weather book.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Have a read through it.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Get yourself up to speed uh with Met and get yourself ready uh for the winter months ahead because it's going to be a very windy one.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, before you do that, you can make yourself busy by making sure the aircraft are well and truly secure if you've got them outside.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: Make sure that they're tied down because it is going to become very windy.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is how uh Friday shapes up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some early morning rain clearing away from eastern areas on Friday morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: You do notice though, here through Ireland, even early on, quite quickly, rain getting in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Elsewhere, cloud just increases from the west as we go through the course of the morning.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_00: And actually, it's not a bad start to the day for many of us.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, until early afternoon, many central and eastern areas are probably going to stay dry.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, this is the position at four o'clock Friday afternoon.
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  SPEAKER_00: Notice that heavy rain coming through Ireland into Wales, western Scotland, southwest England.
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  SPEAKER_00: Also notice the winds picking up as well as the ice bars get close together.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then by the evening, all but the eastern Midlands, East Anchor and South East England have got rain and strong winds.
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  SPEAKER_00: But East Anger and the South East, you may just get away with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do check the forecast carefully though, because this storm system is changing all the time.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_00: This is storm aiming.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, through the course of the night, we find rain spreading eastward, some very strong winds as well, gusting up to perhaps uh 60, maybe even 70 knots, could be an 80, maybe even a 90 knot across northwestern parts of Scotland.
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  SPEAKER_00: Saturday morning there you see we've got rain still through east danger in the southeast.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: It takes until early afternoon for that to clear away.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're bright and breezy, windy actually, through the afternoon, gusts of 30 to 40 knots across much of England and Wales, heavy showers affecting many western areas.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: They'll group together into longer spells of rain, western Scotland, northwest England.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: There'll be thundery as well, gusts of 50 knots, maybe even 60 knots across Scotland, and it's just downright windy for most of us.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then through the course of the evening and overnight into Sunday, still some showers affecting western areas.
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  SPEAKER_00: But by Sunday morning, heavy showers are going to be across western Scotland, probably northern England, probably parts of Wales.
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  SPEAKER_00: It stays quite windy there through Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_00: But more central and southern areas, although you are going to be seeing lots of cloud and it will be breezy.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're looking at westerleys typically, probably at around about sort of 20 to 25 knots, gusting 35 and maybe even 40 knots, probably lower than that across the far south of England.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: I do think actually it's not that bad.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, heavy showers western Scotland all the time, and I think we've got to look for extensive hill fog across northern England and parts of Wales.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: So not the best of flying weekends.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: And you might be thinking to yourself well, what do I do?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll tell you what you could do, get yourself booked onto Aviation Weather School Part 1.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is my classroom-based course, which is going to run on Saturday, the 15th of November, between 10am and 4 pm here at Weather School HQ in Oneboard.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're about three miles to the east of Hateley Green.
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  SPEAKER_00: So come and have a full day of weather with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll show you what you really need to know about weather.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll get you able to plan accurately five days in advance, and I'll get you flying more and I'll get you flying more safely.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to book your place, go to weatherschool.co.uk or scan the QR code.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um, I think I've got a couple of places left.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can grab one of those and it will be absolutely super to see you there.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: So whatever you're doing, get yourself ready.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Perhaps don't do your hair too much this weekend because it is going to get blown around.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh have a great, have a safe weekend, and I'll see you next week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so news, and I've got their first story, and this is all about a new girl at the Met Office.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, she's called Mavis.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_05: Actually, it's a service.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it's a it's a new aviation visualization service.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_05: That sounds very posh, doesn't it?
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  SPEAKER_05: Anyway, it's called Mavis.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's a single platform uh designed to replace several of their existing aviation weather services.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh basically, Mavis brings together uh aviation uh briefing service, network weather resilience, helibrief, and open runway, and brings it all into one new user-friendly system under the name Mavis.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that net that means everything from MetAs and Taft to Lightning Data Sigmets can all be displayed in customizable map views that you can find in one place.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh the MetOffice says Mavis is designed for all sectors of aviation, uh, from airlines and airports through to GA pilots, balloonists, and glider pilots.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and basically it simplifies access and future-proofs uh access to the system uh as aviation weather needs evolve, uh, as well as being an acronym, and don't we love an acronym in aviation?
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, Mavis is also named for Mavis Hines, uh, who was a pioneering MetOffice uh data programmer in the 1950s.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's very nice.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_04: I actually took a look at the uh the beta site that's operational at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_04: It's placarded, not for operational use.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_04: But but it's it looks really quite smart and uh it looks a little windy.com, how that uh has these layers of you know you can bl look at the cloud cover, look at the rainfall.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_04: It's all it includes all that, plus plus air filter marked on there, and weather got a weather station that's that's highlighted.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_04: Um it looks it looks like it's got a lot of promise.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, that's really good because weather has been UK weather has been a bit disparate, hasn't it, in the past.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_05: So it's great that that's been brought up to date.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it's also being made mobile first.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, great.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: So it's it works on the mobile.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's really good.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_05: CA Selma or two.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was having a quick look at Mavis as well, and it looks like it's personalisable to some extent.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_02: So you can set your own minima as well for for whatever weather you're comfortable with.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: Extremely sunny days.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_02: Cabo K or not.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: So it's yeah, it's a great move.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, talking about weather and flying in in weather, uh, Cirrus have just launched uh their own instrument rating training program.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_04: It's part of Cirrus's existing training system called Cirrus Approach.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um and but it's they it's based off it's obviously meant for Cirrus pilots who and if you buy a Cirrus, yeah, with a it's fantastic cockpit and everything it's got in a Cirrus, um you really do need to take an F an instrument rating to get the most out of the aircraft.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: It's a bit of a waste of flying it VFR only, yeah, much as we we all like flying VFR.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_04: But um but no, no, it's it looks a very good program.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_04: It says apparently you can take do the instrument rating between one and four months.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_05: That seems pretty quick for a four months for an instrument rating seems because that is that is about as tough a challenge as you can submit yourself to, really, isn't it?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yeah.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_04: It is at the moment it's only for the FAA instrument rating.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously the yeah, more Cirrus aircraft in the States than anywhere else.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_04: But um uh no, it looks like a great uh it looks like a really nice, enjoyable program, actually.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, well Cirrus are they they are experts in making really accessible and excellent training.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_05: So um I know it's it's all part of the Cirrus life, isn't it?
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: If only I had the money.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_05: I know, it's not my life, that's for sure.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_05: I'd love it, but no.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_04: Another little manufacturer story, TechNam have tied up with a company called Green Aero Lease to offer lease deals to flying schools uh around Europe, and they've got quite a few out there already, quite a few uh uh aircraft flying out there at the moment.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um but with TechNam, it's so that schools can, if you like, buy a brand new fleet, a modern aircraft, uh, and not have to come up with a whole huge amount of uh capital.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_04: Obviously, there's a cost to the lease, but it does enable you to get aircraft such as the uh the TechNAM P2008.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_04: That's a very nice uh two-seater, uh high-wing two-seater.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_04: There's the P Mentor, which is a low-wing two-seat.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that and that's been really popular with the airline training schools.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_05: It has, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's fully fully IFR and fully equipped and everything.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_04: There's the P2010, which is the four-seater.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: And there's also the P2006 T, which is the twin.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, the RoTX-powered twin.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: Which you need obviously for multi-engine uh training.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, well that's that's gotta be good news for some schools because aeroplanes aren't cheap.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um and um and the the financial world today is a is a challenge.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_05: So anything that allows schools to get into new training airplanes for hopefully affordable parts, it's gotta be good news.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_04: And some opportunities, doesn't it?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_04: It does.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_04: And also, I think if you're learning to fly, you know, jumping into a 50-year-old tired airplane.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_05: It is it's it is weird, isn't it?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_05: Because we all accept aeroplanes for what they are, and we you know we go, Oh, we love the patina of old aeroplanes.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_05: But actually, for some people coming along and train, you know, training, the expectation that actually I should be training in something brand new, yeah.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_05: I'm sure some people must be like, Is is this it?
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, all these aircraft have got glass copyright now.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: They're really bang up to date.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_04: Fantastic.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_04: Annabelle.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so this is the news that the BMAA has three new jobs, and I think this is partly down to the changes in the licensing that have come through, um, which are going to bring a really big boost to the microlight sector.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: So they are looking for a chief inspector, and they will be responsible for safety and airworthiness, a design approval engineer, um, but actually, as well as that engineer, they said that they're looking to expand their technical team generally, and that includes graduate jobs, which I think is brilliant.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um imagine that straight out of university and working for the BMAA.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: That would be brilliant.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_05: That would be a dream.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they are looking for a safety officer, um, obviously um focused on improving flight safety, but they would also be um um leading the wings scheme.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: We have some news about the BMAA, actually.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Owen Johns will be on the Flyer show on the 15th of October.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: If you have any questions that you would like to ask him, I'll be putting a thread up on the forum.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_05: That'll be great because that'll be our first World Zick Live guest.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and a very good one to start with, actually, because Owen, he's been in the job since August, but uh he's come in with a huge amount of energy.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_04: He was the organiser of the 2024 Microlight World Micro Lite Championships, which are held in the UK.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, no small feet, is it?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_04: No, that's no small no small feet.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: He's got lots of ideas to uh to take the uh organiser the association forwards.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um and of course, microwighting is you know it's got a great future at the moment because it's where all the activity on new aircraft is happening.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's uh it's gonna be exciting to talk to her in.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, fantastic.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_05: Looking forward to that.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so uh at the beginning of the show, uh we talked about our topic this week, uh, which is uh PPL next steps.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_05: And Annabelle, I think you're up first, aren't you?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: I am, and I have chosen tailwheel differences training.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: And partly that's because it was the first next thing that I did having got my PPL.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: So, like pretty much I would think most other people with a PPL, I started NL 152.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, went to the PA28 straight away because it was a bit cheaper, but then I did not realise how lucky I was at the time.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: The CFI at my flying school had his own chipmunk.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so he basically did my tailwheel differences in in exchange for fuel.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow, that was a good deal.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, no, that was that was brilliant.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: So I went from flying a PA28 at Coventry to um with full air traffic to jumping in a chipmunk at Husbands Bullsworth, where where the circuits, first circuits I did in that thing were 300 feet, figure of eight circuits.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and as a field, of course, there's no runway.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_02: So that that was a bit of a baptism of fire.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um but my vote for tailwheel differences is because it actually teaches you how to handle the aircraft.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so when you're when you're learning in something with a nose wheel, you you kind of aim it at the ground and you you steer a little bit, but it you know it comes together and it's fairly straightforward.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_02: But there's something about learning to fly in a really coordinated manner, proper use of all the controls.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you've got much more confidence over the aircraft.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: I think yeah, it teaches you actually how to handle things as well.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_05: Learning to fly tailwheel requires you to be in command of the aeroplane 100% of the time.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_05: There's no you don't you can't let the aeroplane get ahead of you, can you?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it also does open up a whole new world of aircraft as well.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_02: You've got vintage, classic, war birds, um, you know, aerobatic type, short strip machines, is it's all sorts of interesting, exciting aircraft that you can start to fly once you've got your tailwheel differences done.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_05: And there's I think there's that we'll probably cover it in a future show, but there's so many groups that are you know built around tailwheel airplanes.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_05: So it is one of those ratings that I think is is a really valuable one to go and get because A, it'll give you a whole it'll give you a new skill, it'll make you feel great about you flying.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and uh B, it o like you say, opens up a world of other airplanes for you.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a it's a really good confidence boost as well.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: It does feel like you're actually properly flying and and not just driving a plane.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's yeah, I mean with a chipmunk, you've kind of you you strapped it on and you went flying.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, you know, a chipmunk is uh tandem seating.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: So that would have been a an even bigger move away from a 152 or a PA28.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, there is um, and of course, when I was doing that, it was um it was before the days of Sky Demon, so it was all paper charts.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so the communication was generally a good thwack across the head with a rolled-up map.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: That that did the job.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but also things that you might not consider.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_02: So um the CFI was quite tall, um, and so doing full and free, and you'd think, oh, there's an issue with the controls, and then I suddenly realised there was a gentle owl from the backseat.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_05: As you back someone.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, that was that was also a really different experience.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_04: And a control stick as well, rather than a yoke.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because pretty it's it's a pretty rare occurrence when you get a tailwell, tailwheel airplane with a yoke.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I have actually.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_05: Have you found one?
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I have found one and I have flown a push pack.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the the push pack has a steering wheel and a tailwheel.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_05: I think people are probably going, what a pushback.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_05: But it's actually an Indian-built Aronka chief, isn't it?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: Pretty much, yes.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, with a bench seat.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: So if yeah, if you fly sideways too much, you find yourself gently sliding across.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Dave, what did you pick?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I picked upset recovery training.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_04: No, there's a UPRT for short.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_05: And you've done this, haven't you?
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: I did.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: I th I flew with uh Greeners, Mark Greenfield, down at Ultimate High at Google.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and it was a brilliant course, actually.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: I really do recommend anybody uh anybody who wants to improve their flying to go and do that.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's basically it was set up originally because there have been a few airliner crashes, particularly the Air France one, where the pilots didn't recognise they were in a stall.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_04: Which is worrying, yes.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, anyway, but they they'd also had um uh icing on a Pito tube, I think.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: So they were getting misleading information through.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: But anyway, they ended up crashing the aircraft, of course.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_04: But so the whole thing about uh upset recovery training is trying to is avoiding getting into that, or at least if you're into it, recognizing it early and recovering.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's not about doing crazy aerobatic manoeuvres in tandem, but that's that's that's a different thing.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_04: And but Mark Mark Greenfield's approach to teaching you this is very much about building layers of confidence and trust.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_04: So there's a ground briefing, you know, going through various things.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: But then when you're in the air, uh in the Slingsby T67, and Mark makes a big point about it, not being a military type of uh course.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: They don't wear military flying suits, they don't wear helmets, they don't have they even have a parachute, as you do with, say, aerobatics training.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um but you it's all about normal flying where you just like do something and suddenly the aircraft is out of control.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's about recognising that and getting it back.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_04: And so in this layered uh training that Mark does, it it starts off with something simple, a bit like the unusual attitudes that you do during your PPL course.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_04: So you'll throw the aircraft around a bit, uh say you have control and you're facing down towards the ground, or up, whatever, yeah, yeah, whichever it is, and then gradually increasing the the difficulty of of recovering, if you like.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_04: And you do and we do also go into a full a full-on spin uh and let it develop just so you know that it's uh it it's recoverable.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_05: So is it is there a mant uh is there a mantra for recovery?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, there is.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: Well, in fact, Greeners um is very, very analytical in this, and he's come up with of his own formula, if you like, to to make it simple.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: He recognises the fact that in that initial losing of control, the pilot is probably a bit startled.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I I think definitely, yeah.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_04: Shocked very because you know, what did I do wrong?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_04: You know, why am I upside down or whatever?
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and uh so he came up with this very simple thing, which is um push, roll power.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_04: So in other words, you push all the controls centrally forwards, you roll the wings to get them level, and then you adjust the power to whatever you whatever is needed.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, because fundamentally, if you push, you're unloading the aeroplane.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, um, and that's that's a great start to some kind of recovery.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh and it's it it he also sort of covers things where you could easily make a mistake.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, for instance, the one that finished me off, and I after this we had to go back because I was feeling a bit ill was that uh we were simulating turning onto final from base leg.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_04: So we had two stages of flap deployed, we were going a bit slow, and and then turning onto final, and Mark Mark Mark was saying, Oh, you've missed the centre line, you're gonna have to put a bit more rudder in to bring us back.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_04: I should say at this point we weren't doing it 600 feet.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_04: No, we were doing it at 5,000 feet, so there's plenty of room to recover.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because when I added more rudder to bring it back onto the centre line, I added too much rudder and it immediately went into a violent stall.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, uh at spin.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: And it was uh it really caught me by surprise.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, we must have lost two or three seconds before I realised what was going on, what was going on.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um and then just normal push, roll, power.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_05: And I think it's it's the whole thing with adding rudder, because people go, well, I wouldn't add rudder.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_05: And and I think if you're if you're low and in the circuit sometimes, people are a bit like you say, if you if you if you need to get a turn going and you're near the ground, people are reluctant to bang, but they uh they might start using the rudder a bit, and like you say, that's can be a bad set of circumstances.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_04: I mean basically obviously you've got to keep the try and keep the aircraft balanced ball in the middle.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: But you know, if you're drifting wide and you don't really want to whatever.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_05: You can do s do some unusual things sometimes and it can get you into trouble, can't it?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, spin full spin training used to be part of the PPL.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_05: PPL service, but it is no longer.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_05: But I I I know lots of people lament that.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_05: So I certainly it's something I I was it wasn't required of me to do it, but I'd something I did learn.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_02: I I did it.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I did it once, and my instructor said he'd he'd never heard a young lady use such language.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: And have you used the training since you've since you've done the course?
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_04: No, I haven't actually.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_04: I haven't fortunately I've not managed Well, I have, you see, because I haven't got into an upset.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_04: So I've stayed away from it.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's good.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_04: But there was an occasion years ago when I was uh flying in the States and I uh I was behind I remember number two in the circuit to a learjet and I was conscious all the way around of keeping the distance, keeping slightly higher than his approach to stay out of the wake.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: But then I was about twenty feet from the run from landing, yeah, and I must have thrown through flown through the last bits of his wake.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow and suddenly we're all over the place.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_04: And then it wasn't as much I didn't have the training then, but it was just kind of like survival.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: Pull it back, full power, and miraculously it came out.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: It was a bit of a miracle, actually.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, UPRT, I think is uh that's a good shout.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, really good.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely, yeah.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um Ed, what did you choose?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: What did I pick?
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_05: Um uh so I picked something a little bit different.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_05: I went for formation flying.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_05: So there are a whole bunch of schools where you can now do this around the UK.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I picked formation because it encourages you to fly precisely, act with good discipline, um, and it can't be achieved without practice.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_05: And you need to you need to basically glue yourself to a set of standard operating procedures.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: And I think sometimes procedures are a good thing in your flying.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um, it keeps you keeps you um keeps you honest.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um, during the initial stage of training, learning to f learning to fly formation, you'll be taught how to join a formation and hold station and how to change station as well.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_05: And it may sound odd, so going, well, surely joining a formation, that must be really easy.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_05: But actually, that's we all know that's one of the most difficult things you can do because you'll at the very least, you might go scooting past your other airplane, and that just looks embarrassing because you're overshot.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_05: Or worst case, you go running into that, and that's a one-time one-time fail.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: So, um, uh, but basically, you learn formation and uh as you go further along, you'll learn more advanced techniques, uh, learning things like formation takeoff, um, getting into tail chasing, and then weirdly, you won't end up learning how to lead a formation until you've really mastered a whole set of the skills.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_05: Because actually, leading a formation is one of the biggest challenges.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_05: To be a smooth formation lead is a real skill.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_05: So, um, but I think formation is a it's exciting for people because uh probably you have an experience in your PPL seeing another aircraft flying alongside you.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um and to learn how to do that properly um is a great team exercise because you need other flyers.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_05: It's a great trust exercise.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_05: Um usually that well, always the instructors involved in this kind of thing inspire a great deal of confidence.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, it's a real good thing for your for your own confidence, I think.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's also hugely enjoyable.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I've we've we've been lucky enough doing flight tests and yeah, doing air-to-air photography.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_04: We've been lucky enough to do quite a bit of formation flying, but it's really enjoyable.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'd love to do it actually.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll do that next.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_05: But that yeah, that would be a that would be a good thing.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_05: But it is, it's a fantastic thing.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_05: So uh yeah, I would if I was going to recommend one thing, I'd say seek out a formation school.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_05: There's a whole whole bunch of places you can go all around the UK.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_05: So if you fancy one of those that we've suggested, please tell us in the comments.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_05: And if you've got suggestions for uh PPLs to try uh something new after they're get getting their initial license, drop that in the comments too.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: So uh Annabelle, some club news perhaps.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, new month now, so new landing fees.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: October, we have Perth, we have Leicester, Audley End, and Goodwood, which is a nice one to have for us.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, webinars, of course, for flyer club members.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_02: That uh the most recent one was Frank Vurton on five lifestyle changes that can keep you flying.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: And at the end of this month, we have a brilliant webinar coming up, don't we, Ed?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah, it might be me.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: It might be you.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_05: But I won't say it's brilliant.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: We'll reserve judgment, but that's going to be on air-to-wear photography, isn't it?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_02: I've done a little bit, so picking up on your formation of flying again.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: I guess so, yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah, all of that is available to fly club members for£6 a month or£62 for the year.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's the best deal in aviation.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_05: Well, we think so anyway.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_05: So the big question this week is what caught your eye, Dave?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I've uh gone for a ruckus, actually.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, ruckus, yes, it's a an aircraft made by a company called Top Rudder Aircraft.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's a single seat, lightweight bush plane.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: And if you imagine looking at a child's climbing frame with some big tires and some wings and an engine, this is pretty much the ruckus.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what makes it a bush plane, the big tires.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: The whole thing, the whole thing is the thing is it's it's very light, um, it's got a stall speed of just 26 miles an hour, so you've got very low mass, which means that you can come in and land pretty much anywhere that there is a tiniest bit of strip.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it's you know, it it's obviously aimed at America because they've got not only had do they have fantastic loads of empty countryside over there, but also they have this thing called Part 103, which is where you can fly a certain uh category of aircraft uh without even having to have to have a pilot's licence.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, yep.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um but the uh the the great thing I love about the Ruckus is it's just so simple.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's so it's open, it's pretty much open.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_04: Everything's open, open.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_05: It's uh they haven't indulged you in stuff on the aeroplane, have they?
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_05: Because it doesn't even have an outside.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's just uh it's just a very simple airplane.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um you can have uh a choice of engines, anything from a 38 horsepower Polini.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they make engines which are mostly used by power power gliders, yeah.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_04: Uh all the way up to 115 horsepower, Rotex 913.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: That is a massive jump.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_04: That is a huge jump.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_04: I uh it's uh the other thing they do they don't do is they don't make any factory built aircraft.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: So you're not ready to fly.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_04: You have to you either buy a kit and build it yourself, yeah, or you buy a kit and you build it at the factory.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_02: Which I I like the idea of doing that.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah um around the world.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well the good thing about it is you if you're if you're using the factory jigs to build it, then it's going to be straight.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_04: And that sorts out so many problems that might come up later.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, but it it's it's not particularly cheap.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_05: You might think Well, you go, that there's not much to it, so it must come at a budget budget cost.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the basic kit is$28,000.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_05: No engine?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: No engine, no avionics, no paint.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_04: No paint.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_05: Uh I know no avionics probably isn't too much of a problem, because it doesn't look like you've got much of a panel in there.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: So well there are lots of options.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_04: So you can you can pick you can choose pretty much anything you want, yeah.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: Uh provided you can power it, I guess.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_04: That's the thing.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: But um, so if you want to basically it's$28,000.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: If you want to go factory build, it's another$10,000.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_04: That's probably worth it.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um but then of course you've got to find an engine.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_04: The Polini's probably not very much money, but the Rotex diamond form.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that does cost.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_05: This is starting to add up, Dave.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it is, yes.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_05: I can see you ending up with a number that's bigger than 50.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, yes.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: I there are a lot of options, and I think if you ticked every single box and then got it to the UK, you will be looking close close to 100,000.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, yeah, and I guess the thing is that being an American American kit plane, that's probably not approved in the UK.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_04: No, but it's not to stop somebody who's got a bright idea and really likes it.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: Really motivated, really motivated.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_04: And got a large fortune to start with to get to bring it over and get it approved, yeah.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_05: And what a great name, Ruckus.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_05: Ruckus.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_05: I know, I know.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_05: That the name alone does it for me, actually.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, fair enough.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_05: Annabelle.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so what caught my eye is that I had a visit to the historic Army aviation flight at Middle Wallop last week.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I got to have a look around their hangar and meet the brilliant team that's over there.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: So if if you don't know, this is a unique collection of Army Air Corps aircraft.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that includes a beaver, a Sioux, chipmunk, osters, a scout, and a skeeter.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and actually a surprise to a lot of people is that HAF is a charity and it is 100% run by volunteers.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_02: So they are entirely self-funded through donations and grants, and even though they're behind the wire at Middle Wallop, there's no support.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_05: I always kind of figured that they got some kind of military support, but no, no, none at all.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um so yeah, it's entirely based on donations.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_02: So um just to give you an idea of their operating costs, they told me that the fuel capacity of the beaver is 360 litres.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um so that means that the hourly rate for them is about 500 pounds.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's mostly fuel, I guess.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um and winter servicing for the beaver last year.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_02: How much do you think that was?
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_05: Ooh, I'm gonna guess, I don't know, what seven or eight grand?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_05: About twelve, probably.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: 28,000 pounds.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_05: Oh wow.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, okay.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_05: And then and they're basically funding all of this out of charitable donations.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, donations and grants.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they said that a lot of the show organizers um don't or can't pay for the aircraft to attend, so they're really limited to the number of shows that they can do that you know to benefit the charity so they don't uh make too much of a loss.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um and it's a big team of volunteers, so they said that they've got around 15 engineers, about 15 support staff, and eight pilots.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, just as well.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: They're all volunteers.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a lot of biscuits.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um and operating helicopters as well.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, helicopters are not cheap or easy to operate, so they're doing a really good job.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's brilliant.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's a it's a nice place as well.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: That you know, I just turned up not completely randomly, I was booked in, but everyone made a lot of time to to come and chat and tell me about the aircraft.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it's very, very welcoming.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_02: So I have actually been talking to them as well.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, about doing something for flyer club members.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: So we're talking about having a a special hangar visit with a bit of food and maybe a guest speaker as well.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: So watch watch this space because we'll try and organise that.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_05: Opportunity to middle visit middle wallop is cool.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely, definitely.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and yeah, if you want to find out more about that, you can visit their website on haaf.uk.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_05: And we'll put that link in the video description as well.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_05: Ed, what did you choose?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, what did I choose?
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_05: Uh well, so uh uh it was a post on Facebook, and it was about an epic uh endurance flight uh that some US naval aviators and a kangaroo took 79 years ago.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and it was almost to the day uh in an aeroplane called the Turtle.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um the turtle in question was a Lockheed P2V Neptune, which was a uh bomber and patrol aircraft.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the the aircraft in question was specially built by Lockheed.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_05: They stripped all the weight out of it and filled it with as many fuel tanks as they could because they had a plan to make a very, very long flight.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that flight began on the 29th of September 1946, uh Pierce Aerodrome, which is six miles inland, uh north of Perth and uh in Western Australia.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and basically, because the air they they were loading this aeroplane up so much with fuel, um they actually they towed it out to the runway uh before they put the fuel in it, basically pointed it in the direction it's going to go and filled it with fuel because it was in an extreme overload condition.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and basically when they fully fueled it, um the Neptune's all-up weight was 85,561 pounds.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_05: Which, if you think that's a big number, that's because it was 24,408 pounds over its normal gross weight.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_05: Big numbers.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: That's big, that's really heavy.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_05: That's really heavy, yeah.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so and they needed not surprisingly, the airplane needed some assistance to get off the ground at this point, or to even accelerate.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, so they put JTO rocket packs on the turtle, uh, got to 87 knots and uh and fired the JATO rocket packs.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_05: They made enough of a difference because that got to 150 knots when the aeroplane took off, made it to five feet altitude, at which point they retracted the gear, which got some got some drag.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that meant that they could accelerate.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and by the time the Jato's burned out, uh the aeroplane had got to 20 feet and accelerated to 130 knots.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_05: And at that point, I think they felt success was within their grasp.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um, eventually the aircraft uh headed out over the coast.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_05: They jettisoned the JATO packs, but the weight's gone.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: Or still at 20 feet.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, no.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_05: They did actually reach a sensible cruising altitude, but it took a while.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_05: Um and basically they were aiming to fly to fly to the states.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um, headwinds ended up pushing them south of their intended course, uh, but they they couldn't allow the winds to really slow them down too much, so that they allowed that very gentle drift.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_05: Um by the time the turtle made it to the states, it flew across Sierra Nevada mountains, uh Sierra Nevada and Rocky Mountains.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: It was really bad weather and turbulence, freezing rain, snow, and ice.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_05: They survived all of that.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but the adverse weather did cost them their planned destination.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_05: Um, they were heading for Washington, D.C., couldn't make that.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, so they decided they would go for the Naval Air Station Columbus in Ohio.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um the turtle touched down 128 on uh 1.28 pm on the 1st of October.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um they had flown, so four naval aviators and the kangaroo had flown, 9,762 nautical miles, uh total flight time of 55 hours 17 minutes.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_05: It set a new FAI uh record for distance in a straight line without landing.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_04: I have to ask.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: What the heck was a kangaroo doing?
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's not like do you think they went, you know, just four crew.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_05: We need a kangaroo as well.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_05: Grab the kangaroo.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, the kangaroo was a gift to a uh a zoo in the States from Australia.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_05: So uh I'm quite what the poor kangaroo thought of being bundled in an aeroplane and it's like take off with rockets, and it's like, how long am I going to be on this thing?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's like the in-flight snacks are terrible.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's the last time I grassed from underneath that tree.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_05: I know, yeah, exactly.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_05: Um, as a piston engine record, powered engine record, it would stand for 40 years, wasn't broken until the Rutan Voyager went round the world in 1986.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I'm I I I think three and a half hours is about my endurance limit.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_05: So 55 hours.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_04: What's a kangaroo's endurance limit?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_05: I have no well, 55 hours mate, bitch.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um but yeah, so I I just I I was blown away by that.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_05: And so yeah, that would have been so 49 years ago.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, sorry, 79 years ago, um, on this at this very moment that would have been going on.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_05: So incredible.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_05: So um yeah, so if uh any of our caught your eyes have caught your eye in the comment, tell us about them.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_05: Otherwise, maybe you've seen something.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_05: So tell us about that too.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so um events, what's coming up, Dave?
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we're getting to the quieter time of year.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um so on Saturday, Saturday, 4th of October, there's a Cirrus flying at Wolverhampton Airport.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_04: And on Sunday, there's the race day air show at Shuttleworth.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, that's normally a great show.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_04: Terrific show.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_04: That's yeah, one of the best of the year, I think.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_04: Looking further ahead, Air Ability are staging their annual aviators ball on Saturday, the 22nd of November.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's always a big, enjoyable bash.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Annabelle, you normally go to that, don't you?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: I do, yeah.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's a really good night out.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I have been told that tickets are selling really quickly.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_02: There are some left.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_02: If you want to go, Ed, you need to get on with it.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna we're gonna see you there this year, do we think?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's unlikely, Annabelle, but I would say it's a great cause, so do support it.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's a really good night out.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_05: What are you gonna be bidding on in the auction this year?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I don't know what's actually in the auction, and I still haven't worked out what to do with the giant orange hand from the back of the Chinook display team that I accidentally won a couple of years ago.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: That's it for the events.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so uh I'll it just remains for me to thank Dave and Annabelle, and thank you for watching and Sky Demon for supporting the show.
• 37:41
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• 37:42
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• 37:49
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• 37:50
  SPEAKER_05: So um anyway, uh take care everybody and uh fly safe, and we'll see you next week.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.
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