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Kyle Tucker Traded · The 3-0 Take

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  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Three O Take, where we talk
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  all things Major League Baseball.
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  Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes it all.
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  Starts. Right now.
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  Welcome back to the three O take presented by a Sea Kick.
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  This is episode 497. I'll be your host, Kyle Corwin,
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  and I'm here with my Co host Nate Reyes.
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  Nate. You passed it to me, buddy.
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  Through the microphone. Through your microphone on the
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  East Coast. Came through my headset.
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  Came through my microphones. Nights down for the count.
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  Well, not not entirely. I mean, he's here.
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  I beat. I beat the fever, which is
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  apparently what you got to do. Once you get past that, once you
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  wake up in your sweaty, cold sheets, that's how you know
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  you're past it. Except if you hear sounds coming
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  out of me today, apparently it's not.
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  It's not gone. So I'm still here.
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  It's I'm Jordan flu game. It's no big deal.
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  Just out here for what episode? What is this 490?
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  Seven, baby, we're getting close.
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  I can smell it. We're creeping.
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  I can smell it. I got AI got a bone to pick
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  here. Well, it's not even really a
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  bone to pick. It's really more of just a
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  question, where's this Paul Skeens card at?
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  Yeah, it's a fair question. Where's the Paul Skeens?
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  Card at really hasn't gotten like a ton of I've I've seen
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  like a lot of fake stuff. Have you seen the fake tik toks?
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  Like the fake polls? Yeah, yeah.
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  I, I I. Don't.
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  Why do they even make those? I don't understand it.
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  It makes no sense to me. It it also it doesn't make sense
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  to me. No, no, I take that back.
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  It makes perfect sense to me why we don't have the Paul Skeens
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  Ricky card yet. Why why that hasn't surfaced is
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  because there's there's one of probably many scenarios that are
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  playing out here. 1 tops hasn't even released it yet.
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  That's what I would like if if you're a business.
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  Still in like the factory. That's what that's what I would.
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  Do Smart smart just rack up the sales, you know?
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  Let these people go crazy. Let the people of Pittsburgh,
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  let the people of Pennsylvania, heck, let the collectors of
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  America just go crazy. Collectors, hobbyists, regular
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  Joes like you and me, let them go crazy.
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  Looking for this Paul Skeens card?
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  Try to make a a a big buck. Hobbyists is a word.
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  Someone quote me on it. What is something new every day?
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  Let him, let him go crazy looking for this card.
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  Meanwhile you're sitting on it in the factory in Saskatchewan.
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  I don't know where Topps is. Where is Topps HQ at?
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  I don't know. I think it's in Canada.
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  It's in New York, Yeah, I don't know.
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  I went to Saskatchewan there. So that's either happening or
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  they're working to funnel it to a collector because or or a
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  breaker because dude, what? What does tops have to gain from
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  a guy like you or me? Getting it.
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  Why do I in my head, I picture like that, you know that like
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  that like fat Swedish kid that gets the the golden ticket and
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  and Charlie, he's got like like stubby little chocolate fingers.
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  What happens if if that like if that happens, like what if some
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  snotty little kid opens, there's tears it open and they're
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  stocking Christmas morning and it's just like shred to pieces
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  and there's like a tear on there's like bent and they're
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  like, can I take this outside and play with it?
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  Like, what if it's one of those kids?
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  Tops isn't going to let that happen.
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  That's what I'm saying. They're going to ensure that
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  this gets into the hand of a collector or a breaker so that
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  they get all of the publicity. And I get it as a business, like
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  do what? Do what you got to do, do what
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  you got to do. But like don't, don't trick us.
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  And, and I haven't bought any. I, I mean, I'm not going out and
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  purchasing any of these cards. So like I'm it's not like I'm
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  salty about it. I bought any, yeah.
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  I'm, it's not like I'm salty about it in that sense, but I'm
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  just, I'm irritated to think that like an average person like
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  you or me or anybody probably listening to this who doesn't
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  really collect. But maybe it was like, you know
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  what? Let me go out and buy a box.
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  Yeah. I'm just, I'm irritated to think
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  that somebody like that never really set a chance because it's
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  still floating around out there somewhere and I'm just waiting.
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  I'm just waiting to to see who who gets it.
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  And I'm 99% sure it's going to be a collector.
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  Are we, I mean, like I'm in the camp that I, I am glad that this
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  is a thing. Again, I like that.
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  I'm not a collector myself. Like I'm not, I'm not into that
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  as much as others, but I am, I'm like happy that it is a thing.
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  I'm glad that cards are like, back out there, You know, I feel
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  like it's also strangely being dominated by our generation.
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  I I wish the kids would be a little more intuitive.
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  But, and I mean, that's us and older, that's the problem.
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  And we talked about this when COVID hit, when it when it
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  started, when baseball cards started booming, like people
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  were like knocking it, like just clocking each other in a Target
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  parking lot over a box of cars. And they had to limit it to like
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  one per a box per customer. That's right, there was a
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  shortage for. A while just insanity like the
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  baseball card collecting is not is not wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Dozen fanatics on tops now, yes. Oh yeah, we know what's going
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  on. You're telling me there's not
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  something going on? Come on.
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  Come on. Fanatics is always up to some
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  nonsense. Just get the.
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  Get the Paul Skein's card out of circulation.
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  Like just get it out in the open so we can move on with our
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  lives. I just want.
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  To know sitting on that puppy for sure, it's going to end up
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  in like a dealer's hand or like, I don't, I don't think the odds
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  are in their favor, but I do think it's going to end up in a
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  pirate's hand, like a pirate's fan's hand.
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  Yeah, it's going to end up in a collector's hand or or a
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  breaker's hand in in the Pittsburgh area, no doubt.
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  No doubt. Yeah.
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  Who's not going to end up in Pittsburgh, however, Kyle
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  Tucker, because he's heading to Chicago via trade.
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  The newest Chicago Cub in a deal that I didn't particularly see
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  coming. I, I think we, we could expect
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  or we could have expected rather a trade going down for Kyle
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  Tucker, knowing or presuming that the Astros were not going
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  to want to hang on to him and try to try to make their pitch
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  for to, to make that sort of contract happen.
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  Assuming that's that's where this is headed and that's what
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  he's going to get. But the Cubs, yeah, caught me by
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  surprise a little bit. I, I woke up one day and I, I
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  saw this, I saw this groundswell of, of attention given to the
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  Cubs. And then within hours, it seemed
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  like he was, he was on his way there.
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  Yeah. There was, there was some rumors
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  around the Yankees for a little bit and then like, I don't know,
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  maybe a half a day later, it was like not a Cubs are like a super
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  strong suitor. And I, you know, I mean,
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  initially hearing it, I, I kind of struggled to, to see it.
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  There's so much to unravel here. Just with like esock parades
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  being in the, in the, in the picture.
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  They're like, I, I just, I, I don't know, like I, I do like
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  the deal. I don't think the Astros were
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  necessarily going to fork over the money he's going to get.
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  And, and I'm in the camp that it's at least 350 this offseason
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  or potentially an extension with Chicago.
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  It's at least 350. I, I could see north of four.
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  Like the dude's he's a dog. Kyle Tucker's a dog.
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  Dude Rakes doesn't miss games. Anything that he missed last
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  year was fluky injury. I think he like hit by pitch or
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  something like that, that like fractured his leg.
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  It it makes a ton of sense in the fact that like, you know,
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  hey, we're not going to get him anyway.
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  I'm just, I don't know, like I, I wonder if there's other teams
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  out there that are looking at this deal and they're like,
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  that's all it took. You know what I mean?
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  No offense to the sock for 80s, but like, and, and was it Cam
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  Smith, which I believe was their number there.
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  It was their first round pick. And Hayden.
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  Hayden Wisnetsky. Wisnetsky is obviously obviously
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  good, but yeah, I was just, I was a little surprised that
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  that's all it took to get him and, and it's a full year, you
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  know, and it's not, this isn't like a a deadline deal where you
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  only get him for a couple months.
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  Like this is a whole year and I like it that I I'm still a
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  little lost on like why they're so ready to like sell certain
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  pieces and then they all of a sudden do this.
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  But hey, you know what I mean? Cubs got to go and that's it.
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  Like when you put it together, if names stay where they are
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  right now like that, that ain't a bad lineup dude.
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  We're looking at Ian Hap, Kyle Tucker, Ian Hap in the outfield,
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  Tucker in the outfield. Suzuki is your DH now.
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  They currently have belly slider in the outfield, which is not
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  not to be because you can only imagine that he is all but gone
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  at this point. Dansby Swanson, Michael Bush,
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  who I'm excited to see in his sophomore campaign.
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  Sophomore campaign, right? Michael Bush, Nico Horner.
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  Sophomore plus feel like. Matt Shaw and Miguela Maya and
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  they also added Carson Kelly recently as well for a little
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  step behind the dish, but that's solid.
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  I don't know, man. You look at the you look at the
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  rotation, you got Imanaga, Steele, Tione, Matt, Matthew
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  Boyd, who just just acquired Javier Assad.
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  Like and I, they're not, I would venture say they're not done.
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  And and you can really say that for any of these teams that have
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  been making splashes thus far, like they're there's still more
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  work to be done. And it's just a matter of which
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  of these teams who are active will end up with said players.
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  Yeah, still more work to be done for sure.
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  But I do like it. I, I hate to say it, like I, I
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  definitely wanted them as a Yankees fan, Like I'd, I would
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  have killed for that. I think that's as close as you
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  can get to replacing Soto at this current market.
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  But I mean, hey, like good for the Cubs.
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  I, I think he looks better as a Cub.
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  When that rumor came out, I was like, I, I can see it.
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  I can really see him in that uniform, a place where I think
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  Chicago is going to obviously love him right away.
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  So it's easy to play in front of those fans, I think.
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  Yeah, pretty interesting. I mean, I, I think on the on the
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  other side of things, like I, I think this pretty much takes the
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  Astros out of the Alex Bregman camp, which is which is wild in
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  a way. Still trying to wrap my mind
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  around that. Like I had him going back there.
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  That was overall like, I just I haven't been able to picture him
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  playing elsewhere. I've had a probably about a week
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  to really let that sink in. Like I, I've kind of checked out
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  on the whole Bregman and and Houston thing in terms of that
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  being a, a likely landing spot or a return, I guess you could
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  say a reunion. Ultimately, I've, I can, I've,
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  I've pictured a handful of other jerseys on Bregman at this point
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  and asterisks are not one of them.
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  Yeah, well. And I think Esau pretties is,
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  look, I mean highly touted. I, I know he struggled a lot as
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  a cub. He was highly touted at the
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  deadline last year. Super pole heavy my man is.
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  Going to love the Crawford. Going to love those boxes dude
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  going to love those boxes. I'd like to see him shed maybe a
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  few L BS. He's he's he's triple C thick.
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  He's I don't know if the size is accurate when you look it up.
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  Well if you're saying that Esock Piratus needs to shed a few L
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  BS, if his listing on Baseball reference is accurate, he's
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  listed at five 11213. I'm 511 and a half, six on my,
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  on my government ID and I'm probably, last I checked, well,
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  I'm coming off of a sickness. So I'd probably shed a few LBS
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  there probably like 2:20. So if you'd say if you're saying
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  Esock parades has to shed a few LBS, you're saying that I have
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  to, I have to shed a few LBS, which I already know.
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  But I'm I would, I would, I would change both of those
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  numbers. Give me 5/8 and then give me
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  230. At least man's big Man's is big
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  anyway. Knows how to hit though.
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  Professional hitter. So interesting.
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  Only a year removed from that thirty home run season, don't
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  forget. Yeah, and we've seen him play
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  first as well. So there's some flexibility
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  there. 31 Sorry, there's there's just a there's a lot to to
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  unravel here, lot to lot to say. But I do want to get into a
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  little something because it is relevant to this.
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  I think we need to talk a little bit of Cubs.
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  So go ahead and press that quote button, Sir.
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  Whose quote was. This ready, pal.
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  Little, little early whose quote was this action?
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  This is. Too relevant to to wait, you
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  know, Too relevant to wait. We got to get it in.
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  Let's talk about it. Lay that quote on me.
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  What quote you got? I would have thrown in an
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  option, certainly, but the four years for me, I would have, I
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  would be comfortable doing for because it's like, you know, you
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  could find worse than four years of Cody Bellinger.
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  And if it doesn't pan out for the first year or two, it would
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  still be a manageable enough contract to where you could
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  trade it to somebody who could be well, like, you know, let's
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  see if we can find the MVP Cody Bellinger.
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  I'm tired of hearing MVP Cody Bellinger.
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  It's well past that window. I read it in all the reports and
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  I get it. He earned it.
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  He's owed that to his name. I understand.
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  But we're beyond MVP Cody Bellinger.
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  We're not likely going to see that version of Cody Bellinger
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  again. Episode and date, do you have
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  that? Episode and date.
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  Let's see, we've got February 26th, 2024.
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  That would mark it as Episode 414.
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  Oh, shoot. That was this.
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  Year. Not crazy far back.
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  Not crazy far back. Oh man.
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  Oh, so this was, this would have been before he he joined the
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  Cubs. This was This was the the
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  episode that announced that he was going to the Cubs.
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  This was. OK, he was going to the Cubs.
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  It was super late. Obviously it was the whole Boris
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  thing getting really late into the spring training, so.
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  Right, right. Right.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  I mean, there was a bit in there that just ultimately gave it
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  away. But this is 1000%.
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  In terms of whose quote is this, That was 1000% yours truly, Kyle
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  Corwin. Ding, Ding, Ding.
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  Yes, Sir. That was my quote and that's
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  that's a train I've been riding for some time now.
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  The bit about I'm tired of hearing, oh, I agree about the
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  MVP that Cody Bellinger has, like we got to stop calling him
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  MVP. Cody Bellinger, is he an MVP?
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  Absolutely. In the year 2024, almost soon to
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  be 2025. Is it worth still labeling Cody
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  Bellinger as an MVP to state a case for why he deserves this or
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  that, or deserves to play on this team or that team?
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  No. That was 20, 19.
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  That was five years ago. Soon to be 6 years ago.
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  Yeah. It's not going to get better.
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  I don't see it. And, and the reason we obviously
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  had to bring it up is because, like, this is interesting, you
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  know, does this give leverage back to the Cubs?
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  Like, does this, does this make the Cubs seem a little less
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  needy to move him? Are they still, I haven't really
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  heard if they're still wanting to move him, if they're still
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  actively trying to do it. Obviously a lot of lot of smoke
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  around the Yankees being interested in need of both the
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  center fielder and a first baseman.
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  We've seen Cody play left field as well, so that brings other
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  teams in the conversation. John and the Chad asked, are the
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  Yankees getting Bellinger? I I was in the mind of two
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  different trades happening if the Yankees got Bellinger.
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  One of those proposals in my head included Esock Pretties
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  because the Yankees are sitting there with Jazz Chisholm saying,
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  hey, you can play second, you can play third and we're just
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  going to see what the market gets us and then you're going to
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  play the other one. So I figured go get both.
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  Cashman loves doing that. He loves getting those two for
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  one trades where he can kind of semi plug a hole with a guy,
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  really plug a hole with another guy.
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  So now it's shifted into the other proposal that I think it's
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  either, well, I think it's now if it does happen, Cody
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  Bellinger and Nico Horner and having Jazz play third, Nico at
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  excuse me at second. And then again, see what the
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  market does by having Bellinger either in center field regularly
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  or left field. If you want to, you know, let
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  Jason Dominguez do it or start him at first if you don't want
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  to go sign a another bat at first.
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  So a lot of interesting stuff. I think this probably slows down
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  a little bit. I think there's a waiting game a
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  little bit because you got to wonder what teams are in on Pete
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  Alonzo. What teams are in for trading
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  for Paul Goldschman? What teams are in on?
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  What's his face? I can see him, Christian Walker,
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  Christian Walker, Christian Walker.
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  And that's where I feel like Cody Millinger's maybe a Plan B
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  to those options. I don't know if he is, though,
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  because he has the defensive versatility, if that's what you
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  want to call it. I'm no, you know what defensive
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  versatility? I'm not going to, I'm, I'm not
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  going to sit here and discredit him.
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  He can, he can, he's shown you that he can do both.
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  It's just not like I don't know. There's I don't know.
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  I'm not, I'm not really into it to be honest.
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  That's what I'm that's, there's something there.
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  I just don't know what. I, I can't put my finger on it,
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  but it's just that Cody Bellinger a a defensive
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  versatility that a Cody Belanger can offer you just for some
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  reason does not. Carry the bad.
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  Well, not even that, but it just doesn't carry the same weight as
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  the defensive versatility of, I don't know, I can't even think
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  of an example right now, but it's just like I just like if
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  you put Cody Bellinger up against player B, who also plays
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  the outfield and first base, it's like.
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  And that's where, like, when I look at that trade scenario with
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  the Yankees, I I'm more excited if if they did get Nico Horner
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  in that deal, I'm more excited about him.
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  So I don't know. We'll see.
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  I I I got a buddy who's a Braves fan and he's like, yeah, I could
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  see Bellinger to the Braves playing left field every day and
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  in a lineup where he doesn't have to be the dude.
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  And you're like, all right, well, yeah.
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  I mean, that could make sense when he's sitting, you know, 678
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  somewhere down there. And you don't really have to
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  rely on him offensively then. Yeah.
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  But again, like, I don't know, go get Profar.
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  That's in my mind. Like, if you need a left
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  fielder, need an outfielder who you're going to promote defense
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  and then get bonus offense, give me jerks and Profar over trading
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  for a Cody Bellinger, who's likely, you know, you know, hit
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  the market and have to do this all over again soon.
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  I don't know, whatever. Good for the Cubs.
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  You're still kind of confusing me, but at least like now you're
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  starting to go with a certain direction.
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  You've been spinning for a little while and now like you're
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  actually going. So I appreciate it.
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  I'm liking what the what the Cubs are cooking up over there
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  in Chicago. I'm mark me down as as being a
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  fan. Central's up for grabs, so why
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  not? Always is.
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  Speaking of the central the Brewers are losing their closer,
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  Devin Williams. You trade with the New York
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  Yankees in return the going to Milwaukee.
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  You've got Nestor Cortez and Caleb Durbin as well as the ever
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  famous cash considerations. Yeah, tell me what you're
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  thinking here. Easy transition here.
• 23:27
  I was a little sad about Caleb Durbin.
• 23:29
  He was pretty much slaughtered to be the starting second
• 23:32
  baseman this year. For those who don't know, kids
• 23:36
  just raked little guy. He's like 5-6.
• 23:39
  I think he's listed at 5-6 so could be smaller.
• 23:46
  I think he won like the MVP of Arizona Fall League last year.
• 23:51
  Like doesn't strike out a ton, plays really good defense.
• 23:55
  So like overall kind of seems like a Brewer already and so
• 24:02
  does the belly of Nestor. I appreciate you.
• 24:06
  Thank you for your service, Nestor Cortez.
• 24:09
  I think it just it, it, it was all done.
• 24:13
  You know what I mean? That like we've kind of it's run
• 24:16
  its course. The last pitch he threw?
• 24:19
  Yeah, don't ever forget it. The last pitch he threw in a
• 24:22
  Yankees uniform. Was a nuke.
• 24:26
  Just by the way that just sold for like a a mil and 1/2.
• 24:32
  Yeah. I think it was it the third most
• 24:34
  expensive baseball that's ever been auctioned off.
• 24:37
  Is that what I saw? Not surprised, Not surprised
• 24:41
  the. Freddie Freeman walk off Grand
• 24:42
  Slam courtesy of Nestor Cortez just sold an auction recently
• 24:47
  for $1.56 million. Yeah, crazy.
• 24:54
  But you know, Nestor is solid tell.
• 25:00
  I mean, like the numbers don't necessarily write the whole
• 25:04
  story for last year. I I still think he reached like
• 25:06
  over 170 innings, 60 innings, the RA in the threes.
• 25:10
  Like when you look at that, you're like, yeah, not bad, but
• 25:13
  watching me every day and he just he didn't really have his
• 25:16
  stuff. He's something, you know, I hope
• 25:20
  the Brewers let him be what he wants to be.
• 25:22
  I hope he can go be weird and funky and it just, you know, do
• 25:25
  what he does in two up innings. I'm sure Durbin is going to
• 25:32
  immediately turn into infield gold the way the Brewers do
• 25:36
  that. But I mean, this story.
• 25:39
  Look, let's face it, baby, Devin Williams, I freaking love it.
• 25:45
  I freaking love it. What is this?
• 25:47
  This is another deal where you I bet other teams look around,
• 25:50
  they're like, that's it. That's all you wanted for him,
• 25:55
  huh? What does this do?
• 25:58
  What does this do for your back end?
• 26:00
  Like you're looking at, like you've got Weaver, like he
• 26:04
  showed you down the stretch that he's capable of taking on that
• 26:07
  role. Devin Williams has for years now
• 26:09
  has proven that he's he's more than capable of holding down
• 26:12
  that role. Like what it what does this look
• 26:18
  like? Is this look, does this look
• 26:19
  like a situation where you get to the end of the year, both
• 26:23
  guys have double digit saves Devin more more so than than
• 26:28
  Luke or, or what does this look like or is this is this
• 26:31
  strictly, is this strictly Devin in the ninth?
• 26:34
  I don't know, I, I don't think so.
• 26:38
  I, I genuinely feel like baseball's kind of moving out of
• 26:41
  that anyway. We, which is why, yeah.
• 26:45
  And we've seen, you know, closers quote UN quote closers
• 26:48
  being used at the toughest spot in the game.
• 26:51
  You know, if it's you know, if if it's bottom 7 and bases are
• 26:57
  loaded and you're only up one, like I'd rather use them now
• 27:00
  than, you know, just saving him for the 9th.
• 27:02
  So I do like what this does. I mean, Luke Weaver's proven
• 27:07
  that he can pretty much do it in any inning.
• 27:10
  I like that the Yankees aren't banking off of three solid
• 27:16
  months out of Luke Weaver and saying he's our closer.
• 27:19
  Good point. Like let's just roll right into
• 27:20
  it. And I've seen this team do, I've
• 27:22
  seen this organization just kind of be overly confident on
• 27:26
  certain guys. So I like that they've said no,
• 27:29
  like we're going to go get a real guy.
• 27:32
  And now Boone can do what he wants.
• 27:35
  And now Boone can press that Luke Weaver button who can be a
• 27:40
  closer, but he can press in the 678 vice versa, use Devin
• 27:45
  Williams in the in a tough spot depending on the lane and then
• 27:49
  have Luke Weaver to close out the game.
• 27:51
  And that's where a lot of their holes were was that if he did
• 27:54
  press that Luke Weaver button too early.
• 27:57
  We saw Clay Holmes really struggle coming in after that.
• 28:00
  They close the door. So now there's two legitimate
• 28:03
  guys that can close the door. And I, I, I, I'm actually really
• 28:08
  excited that like what this team is doing.
• 28:11
  Hopefully if this direction continues is being a little bit
• 28:15
  of self-awareness of of looking at what they did on the national
• 28:19
  stage and they were laughed at and and fundamentals and defense
• 28:25
  was laughed at and lack of pitching death depth was laughed
• 28:28
  at. And now just saying, hey, you
• 28:31
  know what, let's go do that. We'll figure out hitting.
• 28:34
  We always do. Let's go shore up the pen.
• 28:37
  Let's go shore up the rotation. See what we can do defensively.
• 28:40
  Still waiting for balls to drop there, but I'm I'm really
• 28:44
  excited what this does and the fact that it's a trade getting
• 28:49
  rid of Nestor's pretty much an even money swap.
• 28:52
  Little bit of kicker thrown in, but there's really not that
• 28:55
  much. So like in reality, Tanner Scott
• 28:58
  is still on the on the table potentially.
• 29:01
  Don't you? And think about it.
• 29:02
  So if they could do that, like stop, you know, and I'm, I'm not
• 29:07
  super high on it, but like Jonathan Wisego comes back and
• 29:11
  we've seen him have some stuff that are in the table, like if
• 29:14
  he can stay healthy, you know, and then there's maybe they
• 29:19
  bring back Tim Hill, maybe they bring back Tommy Kanely.
• 29:21
  I don't know, but I like what they're doing.
• 29:24
  They're it now it's time to go get a bat, please, like let's or
• 29:29
  three. But I didn't see this man.
• 29:34
  I I just it wasn't on my radar at all.
• 29:37
  Super stoked, doesn't look great without a beard.
• 29:40
  I'll I'll say that I'll admit it.
• 29:44
  He looks like a a a three-year old toddler in that picture that
• 29:47
  I sent you. Tell me I'm wrong.
• 29:50
  You're out wrong. Hold on.
• 29:52
  I got to pull this up. I mean, look at this.
• 29:54
  He looks like a high school kid that like got a Yankees hat for
• 29:57
  Christmas. Look at that.
• 29:59
  He looks like he's 11. He doesn't.
• 30:01
  Even look like him, didn't even recognize him.
• 30:04
  I mean, who is that? I like it.
• 30:08
  I like it. But anyway, it's a good deal.
• 30:13
  It's a good deal through and through.
• 30:15
  I called it, by the way, I told you that with the addition of
• 30:19
  Freed, one of those rotation arms is getting moved.
• 30:22
  Then by the way, going back to the Tucker thing, the Astros
• 30:26
  were asking for Louis heel in in exchange for Tucker.
• 30:29
  I don't know if it was one for one, but the Yankees just
• 30:33
  weren't down. In my and and to your point is
• 30:36
  that not one of the. Yeah, but like you just got
• 30:41
  done. And I'm not saying you're like
• 30:42
  you're you're contradicting yourself, but like you just got
• 30:45
  done saying that like the Yankees have a history of being
• 30:48
  overly confident in guys. And if I'm like, if I'm looking
• 30:51
  at sure, it's I'm sure it's much more difficult of a decision if
• 30:55
  you're in the front office in the Bronx.
• 30:58
  But if I'm just looking objectively as as best I can at
• 31:01
  the Yankee situation and I've got a, I've got a guy in Luis
• 31:04
  Heel who we've seen rookies go out, do what they do.
• 31:10
  They even win rookie of the year.
• 31:13
  And then they sort of just they they lose direction, they they
• 31:18
  lose their mechanics, they lose their confidence.
• 31:20
  Yeah. Is that is Elise Hill not a guy
• 31:23
  that you'd be willing to part ways with in exchange for Kyle
• 31:26
  Tucker when you just lost out on the next best option in the game
• 31:32
  after show. Hey.
• 31:33
  I mean, I do agree. Like I I would have been happy
• 31:35
  with the deal. I I would have been happy if it
• 31:38
  went down. It would have hurt a little bit
• 31:41
  I think, if it wasn't one year removed from getting burned by
• 31:51
  trading for a rental hoping that you can extend him.
• 31:55
  That's fair, yeah. You know, like, I think there's
• 31:58
  a little bit of sour taste in their mouth from Soto.
• 32:01
  Now, Soto's a Boris client. He's always going to hit the the
• 32:05
  free agency market. But like, I think the Yankees
• 32:09
  really thought they were going to get him back.
• 32:10
  I think they really thought it then the fact that they went so
• 32:13
  high with their numbers, so uncomfortably high with their
• 32:17
  numbers. I think they were pretty
• 32:18
  confident in it that Kyle Tucker happening right afterwards.
• 32:23
  It's like maybe they were a little hesitant to say, you
• 32:26
  know, hey, we can trade for this guy and convince him to stay and
• 32:28
  we have all your do it now. Not a Boris client, but I I
• 32:32
  don't really know what next year's class looks like.
• 32:35
  Chances are he's going to be the number one or top three names in
• 32:40
  that class that teams are going to be going after.
• 32:42
  So again, I would have been happy with it, but at the same
• 32:48
  time it would have it would have hurt to see Luis Hugo go down to
• 32:53
  Houston and maybe live up to the to the hype and and be as
• 32:57
  dominant as he can be at times. So I like that they have him.
• 33:03
  I like that. Like your biggest question mark
• 33:07
  in the mark in the rotation right now is arguably a Carlos
• 33:10
  Rodon who looks pretty decent last year.
• 33:16
  So like, that ain't bad, dude. That ain't bad.
• 33:24
  I don't want to talk about the Yankees anymore.
• 33:29
  Let's talk. Let's talk.
• 33:30
  Jeffrey Springs, Oakland A's. And before you say anything, for
• 33:36
  those of you listening, watching, what the heck these
• 33:38
  deals have already, it's been days now.
• 33:41
  Trust me, we know we can only talk to you about these things
• 33:46
  that have happened. We can't just make up.
• 33:48
  We can't make up transactions we could.
• 33:50
  I don't know how entertaining that would be.
• 33:52
  I'd love to. OK, let's make up a let's just
• 33:56
  make up a headline now just to satisfy those people who want,
• 34:00
  you know, fresh, fresh material. Breaking news The Red Sox have
• 34:10
  traded for Framber Valdez. Alex Bregman.
• 34:19
  You sign Alex Bregman your headline.
• 34:22
  Aren't sucks sign Alex Bregman. It's a multi faceted deal.
• 34:26
  OK, it's a it's a multi pronged transaction.
• 34:30
  They they've traded for Framber Valdez.
• 34:33
  They've essentially emptied the the Houston Astros.
• 34:36
  That's your breaking news. Gotcha.
• 34:40
  There's your, there's your headline if you want fresh
• 34:42
  material, even if it's inaccurate.
• 34:46
  Completely fake. We're all we can only talk about
• 34:50
  what's happened and what's happened is Jeffrey Springs to
• 34:53
  the A's. It I got to admit the, the
• 34:58
  Oakland A's offseason that has occurred thus far to to date, it
• 35:05
  was a little bit of a false alarm.
• 35:06
  Once you start, once you start putting the pieces together and,
• 35:10
  and you know, there's these reports that have been floating
• 35:12
  around talking about how the A's are only making these deals,
• 35:15
  only making these acquisitions to avoid having a, a grievance
• 35:20
  filed against them. You start understanding like,
• 35:22
  OK, maybe this isn't as much of A gung ho effort as maybe we
• 35:29
  initially thought before we were, before this was brought to
• 35:32
  light, before we were reminded of this reality that they're up
• 35:35
  against. It kind of takes the, it takes
• 35:39
  the, the, the punch out of it a little bit, 'cause I'm going,
• 35:43
  you know, like, I like this, I like this, this trade.
• 35:47
  Jeffrey Springs, former former former Boston Red Sox, former
• 35:53
  Ray. I like the I like this trade for
• 35:56
  the A's. But then it's like we're just
• 35:59
  trying to, we're just trying to reach a threshold so people
• 36:01
  won't be mad at us because we already have enough people that
• 36:04
  are mad at us as it stands. Sorry, I forgot that he made 25
• 36:17
  starts in 2022. Yeah.
• 36:21
  And miss, what was it all of last year, right, that he
• 36:23
  missed? He made seven starts last year.
• 36:27
  Seven starts. Mcclanahan missed all of last
• 36:30
  year. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:32
  That's what it. Was having 3 three starts in
• 36:35
  2023. They really got hammered.
• 36:37
  Rays were down for the count last year it.
• 36:39
  Was tough. I like this.
• 36:42
  I think this is kind of like a buy low situation and I don't,
• 36:47
  it sucks 'cause it's like, I don't, I, I hate saying the same
• 36:51
  thing over and over again, but like every deal that the A's do,
• 36:56
  it's like good deal. If he does well, you can flip
• 37:04
  him at the deadline. You know, I, I don't know, I get
• 37:10
  that they're trying and I appreciate that they're in the
• 37:12
  headlines and I, I can, I can give them some credit around
• 37:18
  that. I know this is going to be
• 37:21
  extremely overly optimistic and if there's any A's fans out
• 37:25
  there that are listening, you're you're going to hate what I'm
• 37:28
  about to say. But to your point, it's like
• 37:32
  what the A's do over and over. They make a deal, they get they
• 37:36
  bring somebody in. And then when the soonest things
• 37:38
  don't go well, the second you get, you reach that window of of
• 37:42
  starting to flip guys at the deadline gone.
• 37:45
  Yep, I know the A's have gone through a tumultuous chapter and
• 37:52
  are are still are still going through said chapter and we'll
• 37:58
  be going through said chapter for the next few years because
• 38:01
  this, as we know, like this isn't going to be their final
• 38:04
  home. This isn't going to be their
• 38:05
  final stop. But this is like a new chapter
• 38:10
  within that chapter. The whole move to Sacramento,
• 38:14
  the eventual hopeful for their say or according to them hopeful
• 38:19
  move to to Vegas eventually. Whether or not that happens, who
• 38:23
  knows, but I just I think it's happening.
• 38:30
  Probably, probably, who knows? I mean, I but it.
• 38:32
  I think I saw that there's like a there's like a spot in Vegas.
• 38:35
  It's been like leveled. Out.
• 38:36
  Yeah, yeah. But you just never until until
• 38:41
  the first pitch is thrown, you just, you just don't know.
• 38:45
  That's when you that's when you fully accept it.
• 38:47
  But once that first pitch finally thrown.
• 38:51
  I mean, it's like at the wedding, man, like or forever
• 38:54
  hold your peace. Like if somebody has a a
• 38:56
  grievance to to file against them the morning of opening day
• 39:00
  and maybe they could put a halt to this whole Vegas thing, who
• 39:03
  knows? Wait, I love you athletics.
• 39:10
  No, sorry, what? This is a very long winded way
• 39:13
  of saying I, I feel like I have to look at them through a
• 39:17
  different set of lenses right now just because they're in this
• 39:21
  weird situation is the simplest way I can put it.
• 39:28
  So like we, at least for me, I can't look at them through the
• 39:31
  Oakland A's lenses right now. I have to look at them as a team
• 39:35
  that is currently in the mix or in the process of evolving,
• 39:39
  relocating, being forced to add names to avoid grievances.
• 39:43
  So I'm just going to have to look at it.
• 39:46
  I'm going to have to take these moves at face value.
• 39:48
  And at face value, I like Luis Severino being added that
• 39:51
  rotation, and I like Jeffrey Springs being added to the mix
• 39:54
  as well. Yeah, that's all I can really
• 39:57
  say. I, I can't, I can't just assume
• 39:59
  what's going to happen at the deadline for the A's because we.
• 40:02
  The it's just a different situation right now and and
• 40:05
  maybe they may be led to, to handle the deadline a different
• 40:09
  way. They may be adopted in the
• 40:11
  process of adopting a different philosophy with, with the talent
• 40:15
  that they're bringing in. I don't know.
• 40:16
  I don't know. Will this, will I, will this
• 40:19
  ultimately come back to bite me? Probably.
• 40:21
  But I'm just going to try to be as pseudo optimistic as I can.
• 40:26
  I like it, good for you. Speaking of the A's.
• 40:33
  Yeah, I got none. Speaking of the A's, the
• 40:38
  Phillies came knocking at the came knocking at the door, they
• 40:44
  said. Will you guys take Alec Bohm?
• 40:49
  I don't understand. The the Alec Bohm thing.
• 40:53
  This is really odd. Just fell off a Cliff like any
• 40:57
  momentum that that had, which I'd I'd really have a hard time
• 41:01
  wondering how like just how little to no momentum it had it.
• 41:10
  If you're knocking on the door of the Sacramento A's, the
• 41:16
  athletics, what is it? What are we, what are the, what
• 41:19
  are we saying there? And they said the age, like, all
• 41:24
  right, what are you looking for on return?
• 41:27
  They said, how about Brett Miller?
• 41:32
  No, they said. Bobby Miller.
• 41:34
  No way this is real. They said Bobby Miller,
• 41:37
  according to The Athletic. The Phillies asked Bobby Miller.
• 41:45
  I'm so sorry. You know what I meant, Mason
• 41:47
  Miller, the Phillies said. I know what you meant, I
• 41:50
  honestly breeze right by it. Thank.
• 41:51
  You Mason Miller, it's late. The Phillies asked for All Star
• 41:55
  reliever Mason Miller. Period.
• 41:58
  That ended the conversation, an A source said.
• 42:02
  So like it was this. Stupid.
• 42:03
  What are we, what are we trying to do Philly?
• 42:06
  Like, I'm seeing a lot of, I'm seeing a lot of outraged
• 42:09
  Phillies fans right now with like, kicking around the whole
• 42:12
  meme of the guy being like, come on, do something, sort of poke
• 42:15
  in the Dave Dombrowski head on the ground.
• 42:21
  This is I mean. This goes back to what I was
• 42:23
  saying, man. I'm giving the Phillies one more
• 42:26
  year I'm out and that includes this offseason.
• 42:29
  Like I'm giving you this offseason and I'm giving you
• 42:31
  this next year to see to like make go with this thing.
• 42:35
  But you're running it, believe it or not.
• 42:38
  You're not going to want to hear this, Phillies fans, but you're
• 42:40
  running out of time. These guys that you love so
• 42:45
  much, they're not getting any younger.
• 42:47
  None of these guys are. Yeah, but that's The thing is
• 42:51
  that like this, this is the hole you get yourself in, is this
• 42:59
  isn't the model that Dombrowski wanted to have.
• 43:03
  This isn't the template. They're already supposed to have
• 43:06
  a ring or two by this point, and then they wouldn't be so
• 43:09
  desperate when it comes to an offseason.
• 43:12
  But now you're at this point where you have a roster that's
• 43:15
  aged, you got a ton of money tied up, you don't have a farm,
• 43:22
  so you don't have the ability to go sign anybody and get this
• 43:26
  team over the hump. And you can't you can't really
• 43:30
  trade anybody. So now you're looking at having
• 43:32
  to trade one of your core members are right away.
• 43:34
  It's it's not something that they want.
• 43:39
  This worst case scenario for the Phillies, this is the last place
• 43:44
  they would want to be is at this point in Harper's career with
• 43:48
  the rest of their roster looking on, saying we have nothing to
• 43:51
  show for it. They needed a ring and now the
• 43:57
  rest of the league is like what leverage do you have?
• 44:00
  Good luck. We'll get Boehm at the deadline,
• 44:05
  when half your rosters aged and the Braves are awake this year
• 44:11
  and the Nationals are coming and the Mets are coming like I'm I'm
• 44:16
  done with the Phillies. I'm out.
• 44:20
  I can't go that far. The rest of the division is on
• 44:23
  the rise. Yeah, the Braves are healthy.
• 44:26
  Braves will be back. The Mets are, as we very well
• 44:30
  documented the last month, the Mets are the Mets now a new, a
• 44:36
  new era for that franchise. It's looking like, yeah, the
• 44:44
  Phillies really missed the boat. I, I feel like, and that's why I
• 44:47
  said I, I, I, I can't say that I'm fully out because I, I still
• 44:51
  think that they have, like you, you have enough pieces in that
• 44:54
  clubhouse, but you got to add to it.
• 44:59
  And they can't. But you can't.
• 45:02
  And the thing that sucks about this whole bone thing, like
• 45:04
  initially when they when these talks started servicing, because
• 45:07
  remember when you and I brought this up the first time a a
• 45:09
  handful of weeks ago were like, why?
• 45:14
  Like, where's he even going to go?
• 45:16
  But the longer that this draw that this plays out, you're
• 45:21
  going, what are we doing to this kid's confidence?
• 45:23
  Like it, it he you out? Like if even following Alex
• 45:26
  Baum, you know the story there. You know, his relationship with
• 45:29
  that city, with his fans. It's it's been it's had its ups
• 45:32
  and downs, but he started off the 2024 season as one of the
• 45:36
  best hitters in baseball. Granted, it it sort of plateaued
• 45:39
  a little bit, but the confidence was there on that.
• 45:43
  And then you immediately just hit the offseason, you know,
• 45:49
  wheels to the ground just looking for anybody and
• 45:53
  everybody that has even the the slightest bit of interest.
• 46:00
  And the lot, like I said, the longer this draws out, you have
• 46:03
  to think that they that that boom's gone for.
• 46:07
  What I know and you saw like the the Rob Thompson quotes during
• 46:11
  winter meetings said he's like, you know, I went up to him and I
• 46:14
  told him he's our guy. He's doing well, he's training,
• 46:17
  he's feeling. Good.
• 46:18
  That's the other thing there. You we're hearing out of the out
• 46:20
  of the out of the out of the out of the organization.
• 46:25
  Like we're not shopping him. It's like, no, you haven't found
• 46:27
  anybody to shop him too. Yeah, like don't play it.
• 46:30
  Don't. Let's not.
• 46:31
  Walk this back shopping. You are shopping, you just
• 46:34
  haven't finalized the purchase. Yet exactly let's not walk this
• 46:39
  back to try to protect his feelings like what's done is
• 46:41
  done. You you wanted him out of there.
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  It was very clear you like you wanted to either.
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  I don't know. I don't know what they want.
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  What was the end game there to go get Bregman?
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  I don't know. Is that is that why they're is
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  that why they're pulling at the last, the last straw of of the
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  of the A's to see if they could strike a deal to clear up space
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  to then pivot to Bregman like I, I.
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  Guess. I mean, it's not like it's not
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  like Boom is going to clear up that much space.
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  Doesn't make sense. They have no leverage, they have
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  nowhere to go This. Is very unlike Dave Dombrowski.
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  That's this is what I'm saying, is that like everything's fine
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  if you have a ring or at least one or two, but if you don't
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  have that, you reek of desperation and you're now
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  operating with one hand tied on your back.
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  The shame, it's real shame. It's too bad.
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  My body's like freaking out right now.
• 47:39
  I got hiccups, coughs. I think it's because I'm holding
• 47:42
  coughs in. That's the worst.
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  That's the worst for 30 minutes. You know what else is?
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  I'm not here fighting for these people, man.
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  You and I both, man. I'm like I said, I seems like I
• 47:55
  gave it. I gave it to you.
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  We've been. We've been hey, we've been
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  posting, though. No, no calling in sick for us.
• 48:03
  That's right. No.
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  But you know what? What else is the worst is having
• 48:08
  to wear this shirt. And I wanted to just point it
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  out that this is now the third. Is it?
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  Is it four? I think three.
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  I think it's three. Yeah.
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  I think it's the third time we're in this.
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  If if you're new to the show, welcome.
• 48:24
  Lost a bet as a refresher. Lost a bet back I guess
• 48:30
  September it was made official Yankees Red Sox wrapped up the
• 48:35
  the series didn't go didn't go the way I wanted it to.
• 48:38
  So had to get this shirt. It's, as you can see, a little
• 48:41
  Sports Illustrated cover I Photoshopped I.
• 48:43
  Can't stop looking at it. It's.
• 48:45
  You got 3 versions of Nate on there with the shortstop of the
• 48:48
  90s, I think. I think Nomar's covered in there
• 48:52
  somehow, but you got a Rod Jeter just a as you see there in the
• 48:57
  fine print. How to lose a bet page page 42.
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  I love it. I got to wear this 10 times
• 49:03
  before opening day. I'll be honest with you, I feel
• 49:07
  like I've worn this shirt 7 or 8 times and I've only worn it 3,
• 49:10
  so I may have to propose some sort of buy out or something.
• 49:14
  To me, I'd have to make it enticing because I just don't.
• 49:19
  I don't think I can wear this seven more times before.
• 49:22
  Opening it but I want to wear it.
• 49:26
  If you want to wear it, I'll gladly send it to you.
• 49:28
  I will gladly send it to. You.
• 49:29
  Is that weird? I feel like Paige would wear it.
• 49:32
  I'll give it. I'll glad I will.
• 49:35
  I will have this thing shipped out tomorrow.
• 49:37
  If, if Paige wants it. I I don't need this anymore.
• 49:39
  I've I've, I haven't paid my dues, but I've paid my.
• 49:43
  Dues. Not yet, Sir.
• 49:45
  Seven more times to go now that reminds me, if you're not
• 49:47
  watching on YouTube, we're catching us live.
• 49:50
  Which turn your notifications on.
• 49:53
  I see there's a bunch of people hanging out with us right now.
• 49:56
  That's how I know you're an overachiever.
• 49:58
  That's how I know that you're locked in.
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  That's how I know that Monday Night Football means nothing to
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  you. Because we're talking baseball.
• 50:08
  You're a winner and clearly you know what's going on.
• 50:11
  Let's not give them too much credit.
• 50:12
  I think we timed this thing up probably with like the end of
• 50:15
  Monday night. Football, right?
• 50:16
  It's a double header. We caught him both games.
• 50:19
  True, true. And they're still in here
• 50:21
  hanging out with us. Love it big time.
• 50:25
  Appreciate you all hanging out with us in the chat and
• 50:27
  appreciate all of those of you listening that are currently
• 50:31
  going to YouTube right now to check us out.
• 50:32
  Please go there. Please subscribe would greatly
• 50:35
  help us out Would would mean the world to us, but other than that
• 50:40
  whole world. We'll see you guys later this
• 50:43
  week Yeah got to. Give my guy a shout out Mr. Mr.
• 50:50
  Jacob. Congratulations Sir on the
• 50:53
  engagement. One of our long time listeners
• 50:56
  and followers just got engaged last week.
• 51:00
  Got to give him some big love that I guess if you're listening
• 51:08
  long enough and you have big momentous moments, text us,
• 51:12
  message us. Maybe you'll get a shout out,
• 51:16
  but you won't be as important as Jacob.
• 51:18
  So love you Jacob. Congrats bud.
• 51:24
  And the motto for that wedding should be don't go chasing
• 51:29
  curveballs. We love you all and as always,
• 51:31
  looking forward to talking more baseball with you guys soon.
• 51:33
  Until next time, stay filthy.