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Episode 168 - Cobra Kai Season 2 Recap · My Third Place Pod

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The. Welcome back again podcast
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listeners to another exciting and karate chopping episode of
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my third place podcast. Here on my Third Place network.
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We made it through season 2 of Cobra Kai.
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Even though that ending was such a pain to get through.
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I'm even feeling it right now. I may need a chiropractor to get
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through this episode. Let's just say that I'm EVO and
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with me as always as one of my best friends ready to talk about
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Season 2 highlight and how we felt.
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Brandy, Hi. Hey, hey.
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Joining us on this recap are two other awesome fans of the show.
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Back to tell us how they felt about that second season finale
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are two of our best friends, Sensei Greg and Sensei Mike.
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Gentlemen, how are you both doing tonight?
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Good. I'm doing good.
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You're doing good. I'm just going to ask you guys
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about season six a little bit later on.
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And like, so we don't like confuse the fan, the listeners,
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you know, let's just talk about season 2 and how great it was.
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And then like the towards the end of the show, let's talk
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about season six. Finally, get it out of the way.
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Karate fans, as always, is about to be said on every episode
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because we're always critiquing the show.
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Plus, we get two more people to do it with us.
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We love Cobra Kai, we love the Miyagi universe, but don't let
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us influence you on the show. We're just fans of the show and
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there are millions of other fans out there who have different
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opinions who are probably doing a podcast of their own.
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I know Jacob and Cholo are doing a podcast also.
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They're talking about every their stuff as well.
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We signed on Instagram a couple of nights ago, so if you hear
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any of the breakdown episodes in the past or if you heard it or
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if you're new here, we have our massive Karate Kid in Corporate
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high fans. So we decided we are going to re
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watch the shows on Netflix and we've done that.
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We did that for season one and season 2.
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We've broken them down scene by scene on every episode and then
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after the whole season is wrapped up, we get a couple of
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our friends and we talk about the season one and we're going
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to do the same for season 2. There will be spoilers.
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We're going to ask the stuff that we've been asking each
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other all month long for all 10 episodes.
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It's what we do here. So welcome everybody to the
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season 2 recap, gentlemen. Ma'am, the season one finale
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included John Crease coming back onto the show after not hearing
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from him since The Karate Kid 3 back 30 plus years ago.
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What were your expectations of him going into the season and
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did it surprise any of you that ended up with him taking the
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Dojo from Johnny? We'll start with Brandy and then
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like work with Brandy, Nickel and then Greg.
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Well y'all know I don't like John Crease, so I don't like
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Crease. So when he came back I was
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pretty pissed off and no I had no I had no idea he was going to
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take the take the Dojo over. I didn't think that that would
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happen. So yeah, I just, I don't like
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him. I don't want to talk about him
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so you guys can talk about him. Well, I thought he was going to
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take it over because everybody needs needs a villain, you know,
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So, you know, obviously it was John, Johnny's, you know, Dojo.
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But then. His.
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Old friend comes in and then, you know, he tries to get it
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back and then he he joins then he tries to push him out of the
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way so he can take it over himself.
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That's that's why I thought I was going to be.
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So you don't think Johnny is a villain?
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Well, no, like he he. I would say Johnny and and
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Daniel are, you know, like each other's villains, but at the
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start. And then obviously you need like
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another person that would come in usually and ends up being the
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next villain. And then that's why it makes
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makes them become, you know, friends again and team up and go
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after him instead. Good storyline.
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Greg, I was shocked that he took it.
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Was in a way I wasn't shocked because it was just knowing his
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history from the movies, you know, So it wasn't that out that
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shocking to me with the priest taking a carpet kind it.
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Was shocking. I was like, I felt like this 1st
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we see him and then we're like, OK, he's going to be good.
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He's going to, this is his redemption.
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We saw Johnny redemption in season one.
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OK, we're going to do a season 2.
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We're going to see Johnny crease and he's going to redeem
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himself. He's going to be like a good guy
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now. It didn't end up happening.
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I wasn't expecting him to like go under the table and get the
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landlord to just like, hey, why don't you sell it to me?
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I'll take care of it and we'll do it in writing instead of a
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handshake deal like Johnny and that guy did.
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I forgot his name, but he said I was like, all right, you
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scratched my back, you scratched my balls, I scratched your balls
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and something like that, right? So Chris must have been like,
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all right, fine, let's sign it. I'm the new lad.
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I'm the new guy on here. It's my Dojo.
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I could do what I want. And at the end of the season, he
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just like takes it over from Johnny and Johnny's all bent out
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of shape and hurt and stuff. So like, you can't.
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People don't normally change. Villains don't change at all.
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And that that was very rough to see him doing that too.
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Well, he gave up. Johnny gave up.
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He was, he felt, defeated by the end of the season.
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During the course of the season, I had a bunch of theories about
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what was going on. I know some of them were off the
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wall like last season when I said Louis was Anthony's real
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father. So we're going to talk about
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these theories and maybe ask a few from you guys as well.
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Like what were your theories going into this season?
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Did it hold true? Did it just like, is it off the
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wall? It's like, were you trying to
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find something that stuck? Was it a reach like mine?
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Some of them were reach for mine like so theory number one I said
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that crease didn't hold on to that broken trophy after all
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these years and he basically bought it online at a cheaper
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price. My theory is that he manipulated
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Johnny's feelings, faked the trophy and also faked where he
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lived and made sure Johnny was following him so we can give him
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a second chance. You know, just like you guys
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think that theory is true. I was I reaching.
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I think you're reaching, but that's just me.
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I'd like to hear what they they think.
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Mike, Greg, what do you guys think?
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I agree with you though Dave, Chill.
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Thank you, Greg. Appreciate that.
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Are we doing this again? Are we?
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Are we choosing sides again? Yeah, apparently.
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OK. Mike, what do you think?
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Are. You going with what?
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I'm I'm staying with you. OK, so see, he was manipulating.
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He was like, I had a theory that this dude was like, he bought a
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trophy online and like told him like, hey, I saved it after all
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these years. Like no, he didn't.
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He just like trying to like get inside his head because he knows
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that he's a little pussy. Like he's his, he's his little
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kid. I was like, I got you.
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Like I'm saying, man, OK, I'll forgive you for now.
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So yeah, Brandy, what were your theories?
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I agreed with you on the whole, Louis being Anthony's father.
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Still I still. Oh yeah, totally.
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That's I totally believe that that's all.
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Yeah, yeah. That's that's why they brought,
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oh, well, they brought him back. But that's not Season 2, so.
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Never mind season three, Mike, what do you think?
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What was one of your theories coming into season?
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He's like, that's so stupid. Again, it's tough because again,
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I, I watched it, you know, a month ago.
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So I it's not in clearly in my head.
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Like, I've been watching it this whole time.
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I'm like, Oh my God, it's too much.
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And what was your favorite badass moments from the show?
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That was my question. OK, go for it.
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I I knew you were going to. I should have known.
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I should have known you to ask that so Mike can go.
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I would have to say the flight at the school was was my top
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one. OK, Yeah, Brandy.
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Episode 5, the mall scene, that was one of them probably.
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Well, obviously, yeah, the last episode, the fight scene, that
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was that was a big one. But before that, definitely
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episode 5 and the the mall. Episode 6, the bar scene with
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all of them getting together and fighting.
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That was another bad ass scene. I thought.
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I liked all of them. I think they did.
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They did good with all of those. Yeah, my favorite was episode 7,
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the introduction to Stingray. Of.
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Course, of course, here too for Stingray.
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But these Episode 5, Episode 6, the Cobra, the 85 Cobra, Episode
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7, Episode 10, badass moment, I would have to say yeah, the
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school fighting, that's one of those.
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Episode episode 9 two was one of my favorite.
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Well, the opening. The opening of episode nine was
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one of my favorites. What was that?
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With Sam and Tori. Oh yeah.
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The opening with them and the girls or the the song and yeah,
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that one. OK, yeah, it was their episode
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actually. Yeah, all.
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Right, so let's talk about the elephant in the room, the season
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finale, the camera work, the 30 minute fight from start to
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finish, the ending of that episode with Johnny calling Ali,
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Miguel getting in a coma, Hawk turning to the dark side.
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What did you guys think of it? How to end up the way it was
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like, what did you like about it?
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What did you live in about it? Do you enjoy it?
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Because I know I did. I was like front and center
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twice, three times, casino in my home.
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And just recently again, I was like, oh God, that little fall
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on Miguel's back. Ouch.
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Yeah, that has been freaked like I was.
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I was yelling at the TV with that whole scene, that whole
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that whole the whole episode just was crazy, crazy.
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I think they did awesome. Like, so with the camera angles
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and everything, they did really well with that.
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So yeah, that was a great, great scene.
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Would you think, Mike? I know you said it's your top
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badass. Yeah, Like, you know, like
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during the, you know, the fight scene, you know, like, I was
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like at the edge of my, you know, see, like, you know, this
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is awesome. And then obviously at the end
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when he, you know, falls over onto the stairs, I was like,
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then I just, it stopped right there for me.
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I'm like, oh, no, you know, I want him to be OK.
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But, you know, he ended up being in a coma.
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Did you think that? I mean, does that what you
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thought you thought that's that's done, he's not going to
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fight again. Or what were your thoughts when
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you first saw it? I thought he was going to, you
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know, did. We did try to get, you know,
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back into shape and get his movement back.
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That's what I thought. I honestly thought the first
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time I saw it that he was going to be, he was going to be like
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an assistant to Johnny was my thought.
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I'm like, well, if you know, he's not going to be able to
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actually fight again, be 100%. He's going to be like the
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assistant and he's going to like teach.
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He's going to be like, that's kind of was that was one of my
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theories. I thought, oh, he's going to
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come back and he's going to be like helping with the kids and
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teaching and stuff like that, was my thought.
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I could have seen it going that way too.
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Being in a wheelchair and everything, like, yeah, after
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all that, that would have been like, that would have been good.
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Instead of having to be like, what was going on in season
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three. I was like, I would have loved
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to have seen him do like a like, you're a champion.
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So teach us, you know, influence us, motivate us from there.
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Yeah, he he was absolutely. Yeah, he was a champion season
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one, yeah. I'm still camping for 3:00 to
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1:00 because like that whole three, one and two and then
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three coming into three is like, OK, a whole different year
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because we're still in year one year.
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We're still in year one, right? Yeah.
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May to September to possibly October.
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We've met a lot of new characters over the course of
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the season, Tori, Nichols, Mitch and Chris.
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Here to for everyone's favorites, Stingray.
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Which new character, even one that I haven't mentioned, was
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one of your favorites? I'm going to have to probably
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say Tori. Tori.
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She was. She was also a villain at first
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I did. I like the way her say, I like
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the way her character develops. So yeah, even though she's a
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villain, she's also got a story. So I I'd have to say she's
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probably my favorite new new character besides Stingray.
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I do like Stingray a little bit, but yeah, more Tory.
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Like sorry. I know you like Stingray.
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I know he's your idol. I know he's your idol.
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I get it. Stingray introduction to the
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whole thing was just so hilarious, like meeting Johnny
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first, the whole Metallica shirt and then going like this, like
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that Gopher man. Like he's talking about the
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entire 80s. He's talking about everything at
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the all value fest when like, hey, you're doing the whole both
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stuff like that. Hello.
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Oh, hey, like that's karate. Like I would definitely want to
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do that. Let's kick ass.
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And then the next episode he's a part of the team and you know, a
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grown man kicking a bunch of kids ass.
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But you know, but yeah, like, other than him beating the kid
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kids up, I like Stingray. He's one of my favorites.
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Keep in mind he beats kids up. Oh, OK, Mike was your which one
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was your favorite? Was was this the season where
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that little kid that I was getting bullied joined Cobra Kai
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and try to what was that the next one?
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That's probably the next one I think you're talking about.
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Kenny. Yeah.
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Yeah, he was. No, he's not in Season 2.
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But then again, I would have to say Stingray, just because he's
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like that odd oddball guy, you know, just like doesn't belong
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there. He's just what he wants to be.
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Pretty much, yeah. Pretty much what's OK, so I
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don't know if this really has anything to a season 2.
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It kind of, sort of does. But if you could bring back a
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character from the original Karate Kid franchise, who would
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it be? Anyone character, if you could
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bring them on to, we'll say Cobra Kai season 2, who would it
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be? You talk about like this.
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This. Seasons.
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Yeah. Well, thinking back to season 2,
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but it could I guess it could be thinking back to season 2 if
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they were to bring one into season 2.
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Anybody in The Karate Kid franchise Besides don't be
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saying Jada Pinkett. That doesn't count The Karate
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Kid like 1-2. Sorry, I know you like that
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movie, Mike. Sorry, 123 the original, maybe
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Next Karate Kid, but. Yeah, OK.
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Like anybody in there, Like who would?
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Who would you bring back? I would have brought in Julie
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just to a piece of fans, like, oh, is Tori's mom Julie?
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There you go, Terry. Terry's done.
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We're done. Love it.
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But she's sick. So, you know, Tori is trying to
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make ends meet for her mom. And then like we still get that
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whole scene in season six, but it's Julie, it's Hilary Swank.
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Like think about that. Like, but instead they get an
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unknown actress and like an unknown actress.
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I was like, I get that. Like she'd been in other movies
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and shows like, but still, it's like, it would have been great
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had it been Julie, had we seen that whole military persona of
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her from the Next Karate Kid to Tori teaching Tori how to do all
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this stuff, having like a back story with her mom the next
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season or in a few of these episodes, like Miyagi taught her
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mom how to fight karate and then Julie taught Tori and then Tori
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is being taught by Kris. It's like goes back full circle
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to Miyagi. And then finding out from what's
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the phrase Julie, that Kris is her sensei.
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It's like, hey, I heard about him.
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It's like from Mr. Miyagi and stuff and then they all meet.
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That would have been great. Another person would have been
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Ali on this the season since they she was talked about last
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season. Why not bring her in for like a
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little tiny cameo looking at her phone like, oh shit, it's
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Johnny's trying to send me a Facebook request and then you
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went there. Instead we get the whole Ali
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Mills Schwaber name at the very end.
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That would have been great. Where else I What do you say?
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What else? Who else?
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I I definitely agree with Hilary Swank, Julie coming in and being
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Tori's mom. My other one would have been
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would have been Daniel's friend, the first friend he met.
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I can't think of his name. Freddy.
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But he was the one that he first met when they moved, when they
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moved into the apartment. He was the neighbor, the kid.
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I thought they should have brought him back.
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I they brought back his name because it was his restaurant
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that they were doing the whole karate stuff in the freezer and
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the meat. Freddy's bad meat packages.
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Freddy. Is that his name?
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Freddy. Yeah.
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Yes, Freddy, So. Like him, they didn't bring him
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back, but they brought back his name.
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They didn't bring him back, though.
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They didn't bring him actually in person back.
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Yeah, that's what. I meant, yeah, true, Michael.
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Probably the kid from like the original credit kid one.
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Right. Which one?
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Well, again, I haven't watched those cry a long time.
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Like I don't remember in too long.
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I have to like watch, go back and watch them all.
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So I don't know people's names or, you know, I have to.
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So yeah, I still have to do that too.
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I'm saying you're, you're two, you know, characters, you know,
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they, you know, they sound good. I would wouldn't mind them back.
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Yeah, you definitely need to watch him.
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After search for him. In episode 5 we learned a little
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bit about Hawks back story. His mom called the school and
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basically told him not to bully her son.
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To which we get the reason why Hawk meets Cobra Kai because it
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basically mirrors Johnny. Back story.
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Creed sees something in Hawk and fills a lot of stuff into his
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head. Yes, I'm going to use a Star
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Wars analogy because it is what it is.
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Creed is the Sith Lord to Hawk being the dark side of Anakin
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and Revenge of the Sith. Did you all see that road coming
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for Hawk all the way through to the end of the season, or was it
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just like we weren't expecting it?
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I wasn't expecting it. Yeah, I wasn't expecting it.
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I actually am. I was disappointed in Hawk quite
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a few times because I really like, I really like him.
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I liked him and I just don't like how he became, you know,
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how he developed. I guess he, he was just the way
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he treated his friends, the way he treated his friends.
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It just, it wasn't, it wasn't right.
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I just didn't like that. Yeah, I liked, I liked him at
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the start, but as you know, he went through his karate, you
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know, training. I didn't like how he changed.
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Exactly. You know you got you got you got
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friends. You know they're your friends.
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Why would you want to, you know, beat up on him and beat, you
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know, mean to him? To me, he was more like the DIA
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hero, live long enough to become the villain.
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Like he could have just like let it go, but he didn't.
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He held on to all that anger. He held on to everybody calling
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him names. The nose, the lip, whatever it
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was Kyler be and Brooks being mean to him and then him
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flipping, flipping the script and you know, getting a hawk
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Mohawk, a hawk tattoo in the back, changing the cock colors
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head to reflect his own every what, every three weeks?
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So it was like, wait a minute, those these tattoo artists ask
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for their kids age. Aren't you supposed to not have
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a tattoo until you're like 18 or something?
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Fake ID. Fake ID OK, so like, yeah, fake
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ID 'cause he did buy beer if he didn't want and they let him in
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and they let him through. But still, like I sigh coming
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like he's just like, you know, him and Dimitri having this
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whole like, you're a nerd now you're, you're a nerd.
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I understand why I'm not hanging out with you anymore, 'cause
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you're a nerd. I'm no longer a nerd.
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I'm hanging out with people that will fight, that know how to
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fight poker Kai and like I don't want to be associated with this
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anymore. No more binary brothers full
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stuff. And now he's just he's
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progressing to the point where he is becoming darker and darker
27:21
and hates it. And the whole episode 5 when
27:25
they beat him up and Creed gets in his head is like, good, now
27:31
you go and fight them again until you win.
27:34
It's like until he wins, take no for an answer.
27:36
Like everything that Miguel was taught in season one, Creed is
27:40
doing to Hawk in season 2. But Hawk is getting to where
27:44
like no, we're doing this. Like I'm not taking no for an
27:48
answer. We are doing this and it's an
27:51
evil plan and he's going through with it and he went through with
27:54
it up until the very end of the season.
27:56
Like I don't understand why he didn't get expelled in season 2
27:59
after the whole fight scene. I don't who hawk.
28:05
Yeah, because he did a lot of crazy stuff.
28:10
Well, so did everyone else, though.
28:12
Yeah, but the leader of that fucking fight, like, not Miguel.
28:17
Miguel is like, hey, trying to get to my girlfriend here, but
28:21
Hog is all like, OK, let's start fighting.
28:24
Let's start a riot. Karate riot.
28:26
Karate gangs. Yeah, he pretty much did start a
28:28
riot, didn't he? That, yeah.
28:31
I think he, you know, threw the first punch at the beginning.
28:35
At the beginning, that whole long 15 minute fight scene,
28:39
yeah, he did. Yeah, let's do this, he said.
28:43
Or we're doing this or something.
28:45
Whatever he had said. Yeah.
28:46
All right, look, we're doing this.
28:48
Let's go. Yeah, the goal.
28:56
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28:59
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29:03
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29:06
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29:40
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Happy listening. Who do you?
31:04
Think had the best character development in season 2.
31:08
Dmitri, I know he was annoying as hell the entire season.
31:15
So annoying. It grew on you at.
31:18
The very end when we're like, OK, now he's getting his butt
31:21
kicked and we're all thinking he's going to get his butt
31:24
kicked. But no, he actually learned
31:26
stuff and he like he used it like when he looked at his hands
31:28
like, oh, I could do this. And then he threw Hawk over the
31:33
trophy case. And to him it was just like,
31:36
yes, a sense of accomplishment. Everybody else, everybody
31:40
watching it just like, Oh my God, that's awesome.
31:44
He just got and. I'm believe in yourself.
31:48
Yeah, believe. In yourself, that's all.
31:52
Start of the season he started to like.
31:55
Because he was hanging. Out with the Cobra Kai like the
31:58
girls that were at the beach were just like trying to like
32:01
talk to him and he uses oh, you're talking to me OK Yeah,
32:04
yeah, I'm from Cobra Kai. Yeah.
32:06
And then hogs are like, why don't you just be in Cobra Kai
32:08
then like, Nah. And then he tried.
32:12
And then he got his ass kicked. And then he went over to
32:15
Miyagito. And little by little, slowly.
32:19
Without getting hurt. He actually did.
32:25
Yeah, I actually was very. Proud of him.
32:26
He'd actually learned like he don't think he does, the way he
32:32
was going and complaining and whining all the time and but he
32:36
actually did. He learned.
32:37
He learned things from from Daniel SO.
32:42
What do you think, Mike who? Who do you think had the best
32:44
character development season 2? Well, I I thought it was him.
32:48
Thought it was him too, because you know, like I said, he.
32:53
Didn't believe himself in the. Morning, you know he's I was
32:56
getting picked on it and he. Yeah, yeah.
33:05
Yeah. Hey, episode 6.
33:16
Johnny hanging out with his boys, the corporate from 85.
33:19
Should that have been his own episode?
33:22
Yeah, it should have been like would.
33:29
That could have been a whole episode.
33:30
And it's all for sure. Would you guys be interested?
33:33
In the spin off prequel of them doing their own thing back in
33:42
85. Like before the.
33:45
Whole Karate Kid, like the road of Johnny and his boys just
33:49
hanging out. And then like that story when he
33:52
told that he forgot Ali's birthday and then that's when
33:57
she broke up with him. And then that whole thing, this
33:59
whole problem happened. Like would we have watched an
34:03
episode, a show or a movie where like prior to this happening,
34:08
this whole thing with the whole thing was like he won the
34:13
championship prior to to Daniel winning it in 85 S.
34:18
Like he was the star of that show.
34:20
He was the star of the All Valley back then.
34:24
Of the Cobra Kai's. And John Creed, like, like
34:27
imagine the whole John Creed again coming back to a prequel
34:31
show and just like teaching Johnny the stuff and Johnny's
34:34
all like, you know, I'm not going to do it.
34:37
Fine, I'll do it. That'd be crazy.
34:40
Like. That'd be that.
34:41
'D be a great movie or great show.
34:43
Even the covert of 85. Ali, Ali breaking up with him,
34:47
Ali meeting a new guy at the beach and him just getting all
34:51
crazy about it. But what's it saying?
34:57
Get him a body bag? Where did he get that phrase
35:01
from? Why are you saying no to?
35:04
Me, it had to be sad. Get him a body bag.
35:07
It's season two. Rest in peace a Garrison,
35:11
because like we love him. Like he did the most iconic
35:15
phrase ever. Like let's hear it again.
35:17
Let's do an episode where we hear that again.
35:22
You just want an episode. To hear that again, yes, yes I
35:25
do. Why?
35:27
Not. Why not exactly?
35:28
Why not? So what do you think should
35:36
there? Be a prequel to Karate Kid or
35:40
the Cobras 85 Cobra. OK, but there can't.
35:43
Be because. One of them is not there.
35:46
Anymore prequel, I mean. One of them is not.
35:49
Here anymore get. New actors, Young actors.
35:54
Oh, I. Suppose.
35:55
Yeah, yeah, I guess. Before The Karate Kid.
35:59
Oh yeah, it's. Different.
36:00
Actors. Sorry, get Dutch.
36:02
Get Dutch in there again. Like beating them to the.
36:05
Fathers. That's another one.
36:08
I was going to say I would have liked to see it.
36:10
Well, I'd like to see him come back too.
36:13
Yeah, it would. Have been great to see Dutch in
36:15
there, that would be interesting.
36:17
And we had to see. Him later on season six,
36:19
perhaps. Maybe We don't know yet.
36:26
Throughout the season Crees is calling the students soldiers,
36:28
Miyagi though their enemies even saying they are going to war.
36:32
Johnny and Daniel both think he's crazy and even say this
36:36
isn't war. Their children.
36:37
Do you think something is wrong with Crees and the way he sings
36:41
that this is like we're at war. These are soldiers instead of
36:46
students. Absolutely.
36:50
He's. Got something going on in his
36:52
head. I mean, I could never imagine
36:54
how. I don't know personally,
36:57
obviously, but I know soldiers that come back from that say
37:01
they do, they carry a huge weight and it's it's a lot in
37:05
their head that they're dealing with.
37:07
So that's probably what they were putting in with with with
37:12
priests and his character. I still don't like him.
37:15
It's not an excuse. I don't believe to be evil the
37:18
way he is because but still it's it's definitely something he's
37:23
got in his head because of what he's gone through for sure.
37:28
He. Was like.
37:29
Acting like a like. A drill Sergeant there it.
37:32
Is yes. Yeah.
37:35
He's at what? That's all he believes is that
37:37
everybody is like, at war. And yeah, that's.
37:41
Like Christ supposed. To be like for, you know, like
37:43
for fun, you know not, you know you.
37:46
Know beat up on I. Mean and someone you know
37:49
random. Yeah, I agree.
37:59
The final theory that I. Had Crease was training the kids
38:02
behind Johnny's back after he would let go.
38:05
In the final episode, Johnny goes to the Dojo and finds out
38:08
that Crease was training the kid and that's how he finds out
38:11
Miguel's in the hospital because he showed mercy to Robbie.
38:14
Chris then revealed that he didn't do the handshake deal
38:17
with the landlord of the building but sign on the
38:19
contract so it's his Dojo. Now it's his kid with Chris
38:24
sneaking around and training the kids without Johnny knowing or
38:26
what he called after. The whole situation with Miguel
38:29
happened after school. I I.
38:34
I think that they he probably was training, or maybe not all
38:38
of them, but some of them Hawk Tory, you know, it's definitely
38:46
something that he probably was taking the best students and
38:49
brainwashing them, in my opinion.
38:52
Yeah, he was. Brainwashing them.
38:54
I feel that he was Mike. What do you think I I agree
39:01
with? You guys, you.
39:05
Think he was brainwashing too. Yeah, taking.
39:09
You know, taking all the good, good, you know, players and
39:13
making them even even better and stronger, making them stronger.
39:16
Yes. For his army.
39:20
Yeah, for his army. All the, you know, like the.
39:24
You know, not tough. You know really in into a type
39:27
of, you know, players you know, trying to build a stronger team.
39:36
And that's what I. Thought he was doing too.
39:40
Trying to get. In Hawk's head as like late at
39:44
night, this is what you do. Because at the party Hawk was
39:49
like saying things too like that.
39:52
Johnny didn't teach him that. Where is he getting that?
39:55
Even with Creed is gone, John Hawk is still repeating
40:00
everything that Creed is saying. Why is he saying this?
40:05
And even Dmitri calls him on, it's like you're still talking
40:07
about this like it's a saying like no, it's not stop, you're
40:11
fine, let her go, it's OK. Like no, like we don't accept
40:18
any weakness. We don't accept anything.
40:21
We have to win like the the enemy must fall.
40:24
And these are crease words inside his head.
40:26
So. Like there has to be.
40:29
A point where he was. Putting stuff in his head.
40:32
Late at night, like all right, you're going to work out with
40:35
me. Call Nichols, call Tori, call
40:39
Mitch, call Edwin. We're all going to train at very
40:44
at night when Johnny doesn't know anything about it.
40:47
And they all did, like those were the kids that were in the
40:51
Dojo at the very end of the season, like, and Johnny's all
40:54
like, are y'all like betraying me?
40:56
And they all looked at him and they're all like backing up
41:00
their new sensei and they're like, yeah, we are.
41:03
Even Kirk fucking Stingray. Like he was like whatever from.
41:14
A Stingray. Yeah, Stingray.
41:21
Any more questions, Brandy? Yeah, who do you?
41:24
Guys think is the most underrated character of season 2
41:28
and why? You say Bert.
41:32
Who? Bert.
41:34
Bert. Bert and Nathaniel both.
41:36
Were underrated like they should have just let them fight the.
41:40
Two small kids at. The very end when they're like
41:45
like, no, OK, they like, I just felt like I as soon as they
41:52
started fighting, I was like, oh, this is going to be great
41:54
because they're just going to like not pull punches.
41:56
But they ended up just getting like hitting small, like small
41:59
sticks and like that's it. Just let him fight you.
42:02
Let's see what happens. And even Hog was.
42:05
Like push them aside. They teased a little bit and
42:08
then they he pushed them aside. Like, all right, let's do this.
42:11
And no, they didn't end up fighting until later.
42:14
And then they got pushed to the side by a janitor and then got
42:19
taken away. Like I'm hoping that later on
42:21
the season one. Often one in each hand.
42:24
They are so small he could have put both of them.
42:27
Up in the on their his shoulder, they would have been fine.
42:30
It's like him just walking around like this because they're
42:32
so small. But hopefully later seasons we
42:35
get like those two fighting and not being on the same team until
42:39
season six because I know like, whatever happens in six.
42:45
Who do you think Mike is? The most underrated character
42:48
I'm. Bad with names.
42:50
What did he look like? What?
42:52
Did he look like Mike? What did he look like?
42:57
Do you have I think? He had blonde hair and glasses.
43:01
Bert is. That Bert.
43:03
I bet you it's Bert. Could It could.
43:05
Be little little kid little. Guy, yeah.
43:08
Little guy, Yeah. I'm not the only one that
43:11
thought Bert was like the young dog here, like we all appreciate
43:14
Bert. But at the end of the day, he
43:17
did. Stay with corporate guy.
43:18
Like why? Who was that?
43:25
What? No.
43:26
Go ahead. Why?
43:28
I can't think of his. Name the one that took.
43:31
The the. Textbook and hit the his friend
43:34
in the face. Who's that?
43:36
Chris. That's.
43:38
Chris and. What's his friend's name?
43:40
Mitch. That's Chris, Mitch.
43:42
I think Chris is underrated. I didn't do that too.
43:46
But I think. Chris is was underrated.
43:48
He didn't do much though. Like he just did the whole
43:51
fight. He was underrated.
43:53
Fine. He did the book, that's it.
43:55
And like the entire time he's just fighting and like that was.
43:59
Pretty badass moving, really. It felt like watching Brooks
44:04
again. And Brooks actually.
44:07
Just he actually fought and punched and all this stuff while
44:10
man. Oh damn.
44:11
Chris was just like. You know, shoulder.
44:14
Tackle doing some football move. Was he a football player?
44:20
It doesn't say. But yeah, I think so.
44:22
You said football move so. I thought maybe you knew
44:25
something I didn't. No.
44:29
One more thing. I'm.
44:31
Interested to know, do you guys who do you think for this for
44:38
Robbie and Sam as a couple or Sam and Miguel?
44:43
I want to know what you guys think about that.
44:45
Who do you prefer? Who do you think should be with
44:47
who? I I think the way it turned.
44:54
Out. That's how I thought it was
44:56
going to be OK. How about you Sam and Miguel?
45:02
You. You prefer you.
45:03
Think Sam and Miguel are meant to be.
45:07
Yeah, because this whole season Robbie's trying to like.
45:12
You know you don't like. Robbie, do you?
45:14
I don't like that. After what he did like he trying
45:16
to like put the metal in in the backyard saying that Miguel
45:21
didn't show up to give to him and then so so he even said it
45:25
at the very end. I'm insecure.
45:28
And by the way. Like Robbie just wanted to be
45:30
part. Of some look at who his mom and
45:32
his dad are I. Know we're going to agree to
45:35
disagree. On that.
45:36
So that's that's another episode, I guess.
45:41
OK but it's like Sam and Miguel fine like Sam with any I'm not
45:49
Miguel with any girl actually cause Miguel I felt that he had
45:52
more chemistry going with both girls and Robbie did with any of
45:57
them. Like you could tell in the later
45:59
seasons like when Robbie gets with Tori and this is weird.
46:07
Miguel just like. I agree with that.
46:13
Like she flirted with. Him.
46:15
And he's all like, OK, let's go. He I'll do anything you say,
46:18
let's go. And then he did.
46:20
And then they kissed. And then when Robbie was kissing
46:24
Samantha, like it just felt so awkward.
46:28
Like like they were brother. And sister, Yeah, like you're.
46:31
Living there, you're like, why are you it's.
46:34
Horrible, no? I although that episode, Glory
46:42
of Love was awesome and I know you hate it, I did bring that up
46:50
because it was amazing. It was the best of one of my
46:53
favorite episodes. Glory of Love and they didn't
46:56
play. The song.
46:59
It was to. Show Johnny's glory of love like
47:04
but they still should have. Played the song fine.
47:08
I'm sure they will. They ruined it by not.
47:12
Playing that song like I was so fucking disappointed.
47:17
Probably would have made the scene.
47:22
It's like, that's the only episode name that I remember.
47:26
Everything else is like, oh, episode 6780.
47:29
No, Gloria, that's why you liked that episode.
47:31
Because you can remember the name no.
47:34
Mercy was of the song. They they didn't.
47:37
Freaking play in the damn episode to your right.
47:40
Was episode 6. Like I'm trying to.
47:46
Remember names and I couldn't the only ones I could was no
47:50
mercy episode 10 glory of Love and on your right the first the
48:00
first dialogue that. What's his face?
48:04
Says the. Karate Kid And then like at the
48:09
very end of proper Kaida, people get put in the pocket bag.
48:18
So are we ranking episodes now or are we not I.
48:22
Don't know. Is that what we're doing?
48:24
Like are you guys? No, OK, we're doing that.
48:26
OK, wait, what? We're not.
48:28
Doing that, OK, that's fine. I was going to ask.
48:32
What? That was one of my questions.
48:34
What was your favorite episode in season 10?
48:36
I have a feeling everybody's going to say this.
48:37
Well, I have a feeling I already know Mike's because it's badass
48:41
episode. So I'm assume what Mike says,
48:43
but episode 10. Yeah, episode 10.
48:49
OK, like we all think episodes in with a badass.
48:55
Because of that. Badass, I said.
48:56
What was your favorite episode? Favorite episode was.
48:59
Episode 10 followed by 5. Same like throughout.
49:04
The entire season you said were your top five favorite episodes.
49:06
So I'm like assuming that we're going to bring up our top five
49:09
favorite episodes. So I ranked them, 10 being my
49:13
top favorite, 5 being the second number two because of the whole
49:19
fight at the mall, 6:00 because of 85 cobras.
49:26
And seven. And eight at the very two, the
49:29
last two, seven being the whole Coyote Creek.
49:34
And eight, of course, Glory of love.
49:39
Sometimes glory of love, Say, say who?
49:45
Who's the singer? Glory of love.
49:48
Eater, etcetera. Something like that.
49:52
No Cetera I. Just wanted to hear you say.
49:54
The last name, OK, etcetera. Yeah, of course you.
49:57
Said it wrong. Of course I say ROM.
50:12
So listeners, if you are still listening or if you're still
50:17
watching, depending on where you're at, we are going to talk
50:20
about season six now. So if you like to end the show
50:25
here, it'd be fine. We're not going to, we're not
50:29
going to say anything bad. We're not going to think bad
50:31
with you guys. But if you're still listening
50:33
and you still want to hear what we're going to talk about in
50:35
Season 6, let's go. Here we go.
50:36
Keep, continue listening on. What do you guys think 5
50:40
episodes was? What was your favorite?
50:44
Like were you expecting? That ending.
50:49
No. I wasn't.
50:52
No. No.
50:55
Not at all. I always.
50:59
Have to I need to delete Twitter when something like this
51:03
happened? Just click off of Twitter.
51:05
Need to stop looking on. Yeah, social media, you should
51:07
know better. No, I'm just scrolling.
51:09
Down because I was trying to post my the podcast and then I
51:12
see her face and now that her face is just like the entire
51:19
wide angle of her of in a gift form of Robbie, her face Robbie
51:24
her face zoom back to show Quan and the other two crease and
51:29
whatever her name is on the other side.
51:32
And I'm just like, I hate this. Like I.
51:37
Know I'm going to step away right now and then wait a few
51:40
nights until I finally watch it and I did.
51:42
I was like. OK.
51:46
All right, Yeah, I wasn't. I was.
51:49
I was shocked. And the reason why and.
51:51
Then like watching it again, it's just like, oh, no, wow.
51:57
Like, OK, heartbreaking. I was like, oh, here.
52:00
We go. Here we go.
52:03
We're going to wait until. We're going to wait until.
52:08
Part 2. We hated that.
52:15
We find out that Carmen is having a girl.
52:20
I love that. Whole I, you know what, the
52:22
entire from episode one to five, nothing but 80s references the
52:35
whole moment with him finding out as a girl and prior to that
52:40
him telling Daniel, you know, just like Lethal Weapon and all
52:46
this stuff and all that to. When it explodes in his.
52:50
Face He comes holding the box and it's like I'm too old for
52:54
this shit I was like really that I.
52:56
Love that. I don't love that part.
53:02
Don't move. OK, what do?
53:03
You want me? To do what do.
53:08
You want me to do like, don't move?
53:10
And like, was that the whole plan of getting him to, like,
53:13
just grab the whole thing, the whole box?
53:17
And because he knows he's going to move and he's going to do it,
53:20
so he opens it up. Like it's a girl.
53:23
And here's the reason why. But episode one didn't have a
53:34
villain at all. We just like, OK, they're all
53:37
going to live in a happy little place.
53:39
Everything's great now. And then we move on to see
53:42
episode 2. We learn about, you know, his
53:45
back story, Chris's back story. Again, we hear about other and I
53:49
think it was Japan or Korea and Quan, and I'm like, who is this
53:55
guy? And oh.
53:58
My God. Someone's going to die as an.
54:03
Aren't they? Quiet someone.
54:06
'S going to die. On this show, and I'm just like
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waiting for it because these people are ruthless.
54:12
They're like playing for Keith. Well, they did say that.
54:18
That's like coming as as moves and whatever we haven't seen
54:24
yet, like it's going to be pretty intense, yeah.
54:31
Yeah, alright, I can't. Wait.
54:33
Yeah, sounds like I can't wait either.
54:37
You guys feel like this season was a great better season than
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the first season. Season 2.
54:45
Yeah. Oh yeah.
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Yeah. OK.
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Yeah, I think season 2 is. Probably one of the better
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seasons of all of them, so for sure OK.
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Final thoughts on Season 2? We're good.
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Like we think that Season 2 delivered on everything.
55:10
What would have been better? I don't know.
55:18
Nothing. OK.
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I I I think. It's delivered, delivered OK.
55:23
Yeah, what? Do you think?
55:24
Mike, I think it turned out the way it's.
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Supposed to be. Yeah, pretty much.
55:32
I was like, like, alright, I have high hope for season three
55:35
now after this because it was amazing.
55:39
And hopefully when we get to season three, like like start
55:45
like we're going to, we're going to get full more stuff more
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revealed, more everything that's going on.
55:53
Mike, thank you for coming on to the show.
55:55
Appreciate it. We're going to see you on season
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three, hopefully watch it again and like we'll have more
56:02
questions on that. Watch The Karate Kid movies.
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Watch The Karate Kid movies. As we are as well soon OK Brandy
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as usual. It's been awesome it's been
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great. That's going to do it for this
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episode. Join us next week for another
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scene by scene episode breakdown of Cobra Kai where it won't be
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making you wait two more years for it.
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You know the deal. Season three is coming up.
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We're we're doing that stuff and thank you for supporting listen
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Greg. That was here earlier.
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I'm Evo. I'm Brandy.
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I'm Mike. We're.
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Going to let him do it. OK, remember Strike.
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First, go ahead, Mike. You're awesome.
57:17
Mike Strike. First got.
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This strike first. Strike hard, all right?
57:28
It's twice I remember. Strike first, Strike hard.
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No mercy. Yeah.
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I remember that one you remembered.
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It remember that one? Have a great.
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Night guys, thank you for stopping in and we'll karate
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